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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dunton Zaren Brunette. I got a question for you. Yes,

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Speaker 2: do you know what is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do know what is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Lay it on me.

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Speaker 3: Lick what lick what? Lick?

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Speaker 2: Stop saying that.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember when I was Remember when I was

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Speaker 3: telling you about people getting the Hines fifty seven tattoos.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it was oddly in Brazil. Yeah, well

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Speaker 3: they've taken their craziness Hines over to another continent.

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Speaker 2: They can't be stopped.

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Speaker 3: No, they cannot. So Hines has partnered with a company

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Speaker 3: called Lick.

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Speaker 2: Okay go on, and it's so sure this is gonna

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Speaker 2: be fun.

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Speaker 3: We got a ton of these. This is forwarded to

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Speaker 3: us by a ton of people.

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Speaker 2: The Elizabeth Army was marching, Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: We rise up. Lick Paint. It's a paint company and

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Speaker 3: so they have a matte.

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Speaker 2: Paint I know, Blick Art supply the Yeah, they.

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Speaker 3: Dropped the bee because they're not their crips and so

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Speaker 3: they they it's Lick and they're out of the UK.

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Speaker 3: So they spelled color COO l O U R.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, they have this matte paint red HTK fifty seven.

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Speaker 3: It's the Hinds Tomato ketchup color and so you can

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Speaker 3: paint your walls like that and that's that's ridiculous. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and so you know, ridiculous, gross, what have you? But

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Speaker 3: I have another I knew there was more non mashup.

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Speaker 3: Is this a really good message that we got on

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Speaker 3: Instagram that was forwarded over to me from Helen w.

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Speaker 3: She said, you know, in a past episode, I think

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Speaker 3: it was when we were talking about that male heights

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Speaker 3: to the planmeth mail highs crime Watch the show in

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Speaker 3: the UK. She said, I know someone will have said,

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Speaker 3: but sorry, Elizabeth. Crime Watch was canceled by the BBC

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Speaker 3: and half of the UK true crime podcasters are still

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Speaker 3: not over it. It is sad I loved a good

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Speaker 3: crime watch. Sadly it isn't murder free, but it is

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Speaker 3: ridiculous that one of the presenters of crime Watch, Jill Dando,

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Speaker 3: was murdered on her doorstep. I know a man was

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Speaker 3: tried and jailed for it, but then it was overturned

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Speaker 3: and her killer has never been caught.

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Speaker 2: I don't I just make light of this, but was

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Speaker 2: her murder then presented on the show that she.

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Speaker 3: That begs the question and we're not making light. I don't,

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Speaker 3: but I just stole your one percent, so you're not

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Speaker 3: allowed anything in there. Okay, but yeah, So I just

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Speaker 3: thought that was like one of the greatest dms, like

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Speaker 3: the two parters.

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Speaker 2: Totally well structured. Yeah, way to miss your opportunity in

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Speaker 2: your moment like crime Stoppers, Crime Watch watchers, crime watch Yeah,

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Speaker 2: crime like, way to miss your moment Like now, true

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Speaker 2: crime is bigger, let's cancel this right, you.

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Speaker 3: Think that people be into it whatever. So in summary,

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Speaker 3: those two things are ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous. Yep, well I got one for you. If you

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Speaker 2: got a second, sit back down. This one has everything.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. This man's life is in a movie, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: It's an oscar just waiting to happen. Brad Pitt's people

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Speaker 2: call me no for real. First, seriously, I couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: When I read through this guy's life. I was just like,

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Speaker 2: page after a page. I was like it was reported

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Speaker 2: the newspapers, there was stuff in senate testimony. I was

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Speaker 2: just just shocked, Elizabeth. Over the course of this show,

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Speaker 2: we have talked drug smugglers. Yeah, we've talked hippie drug

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Speaker 2: dealers in Hawaii. We've talked dudes who faked their own deaths,

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Speaker 2: who talked about hypnosis. We talked about Pablo Escobar, who

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Speaker 2: talked about the CIA. We've never talked about the Iaron

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Speaker 3: Have we No? But it's right for the picking.

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Speaker 2: Mix all of that together and you get this story.

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Speaker 3: You're kidding.

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous crime. A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 2: I sincds. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: You are damn right.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Barren in his own words, this guy I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: tell you about it. He described himself as quote well, basically,

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Speaker 2: I'm just a farm boy from Arkansas. There is a

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Speaker 3: Oh he says that, and he ain't lying.

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Speaker 2: Meet Gary Betzner.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Gary, all right.

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Speaker 2: Gary had a rather all American upbringing. He was raised

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Speaker 2: in the Heartland. He born in the early forties, during

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Speaker 2: the war years, his formative years. This makes it be

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Speaker 2: the nineteen fifties, one of those kids raised, you know,

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Speaker 2: like I've talked before, Blue jeans Westerns on TV the

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Speaker 2: whole bit, right, Milkman. By the late nineteen sixties, he

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Speaker 2: was in his mid twenties, and so at this point

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Speaker 2: he's joined the military. He's become a pilot in the military.

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Speaker 2: He was one hell of a pilot while he was

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Speaker 2: in the military. The head of the top Gun program

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Speaker 2: reportedly told Gary that he was the best pilot he'd

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Speaker 2: ever known. You know, the top Gun program, right, that's

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Speaker 2: like the best pilots in the Navy. Yes, exactly. So

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Speaker 2: back home in Hayes in Arkansas, population fourteen hundred, Gary,

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Speaker 2: and there was what you might call a local celebrity,

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Speaker 2: colorful character. Now to pay his bills. What did he do?

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Speaker 2: What told you he'd become a pilot in the military,

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Speaker 2: comes back home, becomes a crop duster. He loved it.

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Speaker 2: He had thrills and chills and for you know, exhibitions

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Speaker 2: on the weekends. He would be a stunt flier occasionally.

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Speaker 3: Oh so he's like a crop duster. Did he want

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Speaker 3: like did he walk around Walmart farting and then leaving

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Speaker 3: the aisle? Like did you do that professional.

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Speaker 2: High passes that the airplane kind airplane? Yeah, agricultural fields

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Speaker 2: coming in low and fast and or low and slow. Actually,

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Speaker 2: for instance, this guy, he was such a good pilot.

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Speaker 2: He could skim the like watering holes and lakes around

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Speaker 2: he put his waters right on the wheel and kind

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Speaker 2: of just kissed the water with his wheel. That's real

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Speaker 2: difficult because if you catch it'll pull your right out right.

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Speaker 3: He makes me think of that Stephen Stills song Tree

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Speaker 2: Yes, I love that song very much.

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Speaker 3: Mainly because of the line don't do business that don't

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Speaker 2: Such a good, good one. Well, this dude is good

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Speaker 2: as the pilot dis he was. He also had his

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Speaker 2: fair share near death experiences. He crashed eleven planes. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: Ever he walked away without a scratch, every single kidding.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's like a low flying slow crop

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Speaker 2: To it, races it to the ground. So in nineteen

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Speaker 2: around in Hays in Arkansas summer totally Well, you girl,

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Speaker 2: you don't even know. We're two years out of the

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Speaker 2: summer love, and you know we're basically in the Oki

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Speaker 3: The country took a while to flow out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still like hanging on to like buzz cuts

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Speaker 2: and like rolled up blue jeans. But oh yeah they

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Speaker 2: did have The moon landing happened in nineteen sixty nine

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Speaker 2: a moon party. He goes to attend it. This is

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Speaker 2: meeting was fortuitous because this night it becomes the night

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Speaker 2: he beats the love of his life, or at least

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Speaker 2: for the woman he met, he was the love of

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Speaker 2: her life. I'll just say that. She says that I

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Speaker 2: don't want words in his mouth. Anyway. Neil Armstrong took

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Speaker 2: one small step from man one giant leap for mankind,

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Speaker 2: and Sally met Gary. They were just like right there saying. Well,

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Speaker 2: when she was telling the story, she said, and I quote,

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Speaker 2: there was a boom in the universe. It just shook.

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Speaker 2: So apparently two universal things happened that night. Yeah, she

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Speaker 2: fell in love like Muhammad A. Lee boxed Elizabeth shook

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Speaker 2: up the world. Anyway, There's one problem. Gary was already married.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he his wife was seven months pregnant. Oh,

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Speaker 2: so that didn't stop married Gary from starting a family

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Speaker 2: with Sally. Sally, Someone's universe got shook, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 2: So his first wife, Claudia. Soon their daughter Pauli was

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Speaker 2: Polly had a brother and sister joined their number. They

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Speaker 2: named the boy Travis named the girl Sarah Lee. Just

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Speaker 3: Cakes, you know that, Like there's that jingle. Is it

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Speaker 3: nobody doesn't like Sarah Lee? Or nobody does it like

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Speaker 2: So glad you asked. I looked this up, the Mandel

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Speaker 2: line you'll find it's debate. Is it nobody does it

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Speaker 2: like Sarah Lee? Or nobody doesn't like Sarah Lee?

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Speaker 3: You know, hold on which one do you think it is?

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Speaker 2: Which one do I think it is? How did you

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Speaker 2: I always thought it was nobody does it like.

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Speaker 3: Sarah That's what I always thought. Like and also like

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Speaker 3: makes pound cake so sexy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, it's like surely Bassi's thing.

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Speaker 3: Walking down the freezer out crop dusting so sexy?

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Speaker 2: Look, why do you do this to me? So I

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Speaker 2: I found that the according to the Frozen cake maker themselves. Oh,

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Speaker 2: when you hear the full phrasing, the jingle catch race

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Speaker 2: makes way more sense. Right, So the full actual phrase

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Speaker 2: is everybody doesn't like something, but nobody doesn't like Sarah Lee.

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Speaker 3: That's stupid, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't care about all that because I'm like, dude, it's

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Speaker 2: nobody doesn't like Sarah Lee. That's Steve McQueen of clean phrasing.

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Speaker 2: It's just like, it's not some weird double negative contradiction.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly.

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Speaker 2: Everybody doesn't like something, but nobody doesn't like I mean,

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Speaker 2: what the hell's cake? Anyway? Sarah Lee is the name

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Speaker 2: of gary second daughter. So what is this now? Twice

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Speaker 2: married father of three makes his way as a stunt

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Speaker 2: To Elizabeth? He goes into business for himself. He started

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Speaker 2: a company called bettsnerch Flying Service. The company does well,

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Speaker 2: in fact, does so well Elizabeth in nineteen seventy six,

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Speaker 2: he's able to sell his company.

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Speaker 3: Is flying service.

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Speaker 2: He does a crop dusting charter flights mostly crop dusting, right,

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Speaker 2: So he takes the profits from that and he moves

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Speaker 2: his family north. They relocate from Arkansas to Alaska, North Alaska.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've both been to Arkansas. Yeah, you've been to Alaska.

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Speaker 2: I have not. For my edification, Elizabeth, how different Arkansas

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Speaker 2: be similar at all? A culture shop.

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Speaker 3: I think it depends on where in Alaska.

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Speaker 2: Okay. This is also by the way, Peak Hippie Commune, Alaska,

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Speaker 3: I would imagine that there's not too much of a difference, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think rural it's a lot of the same people,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean there's like logging and fishing and so

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Speaker 3: Scratch a little off for garytop flying exactly.

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Speaker 2: Y're this point in nineteen seventy seven. This is peak

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Speaker 2: cocaine cowboys era of Miami. Right. So Gary Wesner wants

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Speaker 2: So Garry's like, how could I, a simple country boy

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Speaker 2: That night in Miami, they also busted two Miami Dolphins

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Speaker 3: It was a different time. Now, is that why now? Like,

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Speaker 2: No they do not. They this point, Gary's facing twenty

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Speaker 2: What's he doing now? He skidaddles back to Arkansas. He

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Speaker 2: So out on bail. Gary's now facing mandatory sentences, decades

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Speaker 2: Gary thinks. Garry's like kids, load up, We're going for

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Speaker 3: Is there are there no crops to dust?

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Speaker 2: Spoiler alert. He had not leapt to his death, nor

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Speaker 3: Wait and then she went through the hole? Oh no, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's these ads? Hypnotized?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: All right, one say back in a flash. All right, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: we're back. Yes, are you cool? Your mind?

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Speaker 3: Right? Oh yeah? I think well yeah, I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So now let's get to the story the convincing widow.

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Speaker 2: Sally would be triggered to sob uncontrollably because now her

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Speaker 3: Oh nice, Yes, so he never actually jumped, She just

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Gary never went into the White River. He'd said

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Speaker 3: To do with that. What are you going to do?

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Speaker 3: abandon me with these children so you can run off.

435
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 2: So, after a while, believing her husband's dead, Gary contacted Sally.

436
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 2: He contacted her by payphone board. No, it's part of

437
00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 2: the plan they'd worked out. It was a payphone one

438
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,560
Speaker 2: town away, so she would go there once a month.

439
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,879
Speaker 2: She'd drive over to that town at this pre arranged

440
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 2: time and he would call. So kind of guess that

441
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 2: on that first time he must have had like a

442
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 2: post hypnotic suggestion that he like said on the phone

443
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 2: and also like undid everything. I don't know, because otherwise

444
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 2: she'd be shocked. All her phone and her husband's on

445
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 2: the phone.

446
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,880
Speaker 3: She still likes zombieing around.

447
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. She pretty much was because she believed he

448
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,159
Speaker 2: was dead. That part of her was still gone, so

449
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:17,920
Speaker 2: he had to undo it.

450
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 3: I'm assuming he talked about Oh my god, I have

451
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: a really hard time believing.

452
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,960
Speaker 2: I do too, but this story made me much more

453
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: of a believer anyway. In The Visible Pilot, Sally said,

454
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 2: quote being in love with a smuggler, it gets complicated.

455
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:31,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit.

456
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 2: That's an understatement. So so Gary, where is he and

457
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 2: all of this? Where did he run off onto the

458
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 2: when he was on the way? Are you Gary was

459
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:41,359
Speaker 2: in Hawaii?

460
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:42,160
Speaker 3: Nice?

461
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean if you're going to run Oh totally.

462
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 2: He changed his name to Lucas Nol Harmony like Noel. No.

463
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,160
Speaker 2: He picked his last name. I thought you'd like this, Elizabeth.

464
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: He picked his last name from a road sign for Harmony, Californy.

465
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:54,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm familiar.

466
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 2: Yes, he says, Lucas it means light, Noel means peace

467
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 2: and harmony. Well, harmony means harmony, so his name means

468
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 2: peace harmony.

469
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:01,360
Speaker 3: Interesting.

470
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, by this point, thanks to a stint in

471
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 2: California where he got into acid, Gary had switched up

472
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 2: his persona and he was now a drug advocating hippie

473
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: guru type living in Hawaii.

474
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 3: You know, Gary wage behind him.

475
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 2: On the run. So he contacts his wife and uh,

476
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 2: you know, Gary says, hey, bring Trap and Sarah Lee.

477
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: You know, don't not Polly. I didn't tell her I'm alive,

478
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 2: so don't bring her, but bring Travis and Saraly and

479
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: fly out. Uh you know. And oh, by the way,

480
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 2: tell the kid, Hey, good news dad's not dead. So

481
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 2: you got to tell them that to kids like at

482
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 2: this point. Yeah, So he invites them at five and three,

483
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: so invites them to join them in Hawaii. Sally picks

484
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: up the kids, flees Arkansas. They relocate to go be

485
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 2: Gary and they go become like become Buddhists. Right, I'm sorry,

486
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 2: that's the type of nudists. They became nudists. Yeah, they.

487
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 3: Didn't.

488
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: I didn't say, just said Hawaii didn't. I don't know.

489
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 2: They joined their hippie drug daddy, right, as I told you,

490
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 2: quasi nudist bearded guru guy. So the family they all

491
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 2: stripped down and like, okay, Dad, this is the new lifestyle.

492
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're alive and not dead. Gotta be

493
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,120
Speaker 2: a little bit of a mind bender. So from Arkansas

494
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 2: to Alaska, back to Arkansas and now of Hawaii, Dad's undead.

495
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 3: Tomb dade to the Naked Duster.

496
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 2: Interestingly, Travis the Sun, he said that these are the

497
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 2: happiest years of their lives. A pot growing, nudist hippie

498
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 2: family on the lamb in Hawaii.

499
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean it sounds like I do. Like

500
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 3: most little boys like little boys.

501
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: So that's just perfect exactly. It's warm enough they can

502
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 2: at all time.

503
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 3: Right.

504
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: So things eventually don't work out well for the family

505
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 2: in Hawaii because yet again Gary gets busted on drugs.

506
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 2: This time they've been growing pot. He was actually growing it,

507
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: he wasn't just smuggling. This time, you have big plants.

508
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 2: Cops show up the house. They've got plants. Yeah, they're nudists, right,

509
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: So like, could you put some clothes on you're coming

510
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: with us? He gets brought in. He's fingerprinted when he's arrested.

511
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: That's bad. He gets bailed out because it's just a misdemeanor.

512
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: So before anything can come of the fingerprinting, Gerry's like,

513
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 2: I'm out. Ye remember the last time you saw Gary

514
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: it was So he goes back on the No more

515
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: Hawaii for Sally and the family. She has to take

516
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: the kids back state side to Hazen and Arkansas.

517
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: Why couldn't she stay in Hawaiian.

518
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: I don't think she can make a go of it,

519
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 2: So she has her family backside, So she goes back

520
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 2: to her family. Meanwhile, I mean this is where you know,

521
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 2: we're only a couple of years past women being able

522
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 2: to have credit cards for the first time legally. So true,

523
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: you have to understand the options were not the same.

524
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: Well, you know they're an unconventional bunch.

525
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, totally. She could go go unconventional, but she is,

526
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: you know. Anyway, she's just a girl from a small

527
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: town Arkansas with her smugglerr husband just got it. No

528
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: sisters shoes. Anyway. Meanwhile, Gary, he gets back into drug

529
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: smuggling and he goes international with it, and he's loving it,

530
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: and right he gets back to his stunt flying days.

531
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: They're all rolling around with heavy loads of pot, flying

532
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 2: low between trees to avoid DA agents and radar. Loving

533
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: it right, it's everything he loves. He's crop dustin, but

534
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 2: more fun his hand he would have this handheld radar.

535
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: He could see where the spots of radar were and

536
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: would fly between the bubbles. You're kidding, Yeah, amazing fun failiar.

537
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 2: Just he's down there, just inches from splashes of waves.

538
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 2: I mean for a guy who's basically a grown up

539
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: boy with a drug problem. Anyway, nineteen eighty two rolls around,

540
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 2: he meets up with a speedboat racer similar mentality named

541
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 2: George Morales.

542
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, what's your job, oh, speedboat international.

543
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: Speedboat racers, so all around, good time, guy Morales.

544
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,239
Speaker 3: Excuse me, but there are fewer international speedboat racers than

545
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 3: there are marine biologists.

546
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 2: That's probably an even Yeah, so Morales. He was connected

547
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: to the Metayan Cartel. The Median Cartel is aka Pablo

548
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: Escobar's Cartel Hippo man So boom. Just like that, Gary

549
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: is suddenly moving heavyweight for the Narco version of the

550
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: Capo de Tute Cappo. Yeah. Being the pilot he is,

551
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 2: Gary gets in good with the Medaian cartel. He becomes

552
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: a smuggler, daredevil that they love. He starts flying bigger

553
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: and bigger loads of drugs between Colombia and Florida. Things

554
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: are going really well for Gary. He's made it to

555
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: the top of the heat for smugglers. So he contacts Sally.

556
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: He's like, baby, I got good news. I'm Morgan from

557
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: Pablo Escobar. He has the family locate to Coconut Grove, Florida.

558
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 2: According to Sally, at this point, Gary now lived like Scarface.

559
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: Now what do I mean by he lived like Starface? Well,

560
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: Sally and her two kids, Travis and Sara Lee. They

561
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: show up in Florida and Gary attempts to fold them

562
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 2: into his new lifestyle. Elizabeth, this would be difficult because

563
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: and I'm talking about the cocaine or the drug cartel.

564
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 2: That would make it difficult for most. But Sally arrived

565
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 2: with her kids. She found that Gary was living with

566
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: another woman.

567
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: Yep, okay, a pattern with Gary. Gary, Gary did this

568
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 3: for you, he will do it for another woman exactly.

569
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 3: Can't stress that enough.

570
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: He wanted them to start a polyamorous relationship. She's like, Hey,

571
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: there's ward hasn't been coined yet, but do you want

572
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: to become a thrupple, and so you know, she was like, eh, no,

573
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: I'm from Hayes in Arkansas. I'm not into this. And

574
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: Gary's like, okay, cool, cool, Then we'll stay here in

575
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: the master suite. You and the kids can be down

576
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 2: there in the kids room and he put them in

577
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: these little room anyway, terrible guy. Okay, right, fun moment

578
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: for Sally. So she's like, she stays in Florida. She stays,

579
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 2: she doesn't leave. She stays with Lucas Noel, Harmony.

580
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: She leaves Harmony, yes, and instead.

581
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: She's going to go like coconut grow Florida. Oh my god,

582
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: in a non functioning thropple, Like we keep it.

583
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 3: Clean on this show language wise. But I just like

584
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: what I would say to him in that moment, or

585
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 3: if I could insert myself in that scene, say to her, yes,

586
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: like smack some sense into her.

587
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: Show up with a cab fully paid for here, get

588
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: you back to the airport. Well, I got good news.

589
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: By nineteen eighty three, Sally had enough. She took Travis

590
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 2: and Sarah Lee and she bounced out of Miami. She

591
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: even said, I have had enough. Okay direct quote the

592
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: wild part is that. Sally still says that Gary is

593
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: the love of her life to this day. No matter

594
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: all of this.

595
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: If you ask her the hypnosis, she says, you just

596
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 3: got to hypnotize. She'll never know pleasure again.

597
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: But she's still hypnotized exactly. Poor woman night. Oh yeah.

598
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: Pabloar soar and the Mediine cartel to hear him tell it.

599
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: Gary Besner and Pablo Escobar, they became tight homies, like

600
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 2: real tight. They had like sympatico views of the world.

601
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 2: I am number one, everybody number two. Right, So Pablo

602
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 2: basically he knew all about his Gary's real life, his family.

603
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 2: No at this point, remember he's going by Lucas Harmony, right,

604
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: Lucas Noel Harmony. Yeah. So Pablo often asked him how Sally,

605
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: Travis and Sarah Lee were doing. Yeah. So those poor kids, right,

606
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: they have the most famous cocaine smuggler. He is asking

607
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: about them now he knows them by name. The reason

608
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: he's like, are they doing their homework? Are they good kids?

609
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: You know? But he did this because their dad had

610
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: been killing it in the cocaine game. So he'd sent

611
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: people to find out about this guy, and he discovered

612
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: that he faked his death. He found the real family,

613
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: and then he had the people go up and talk

614
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: to his family in public, take pictures of him, and

615
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: come back and go and show him the photo.

616
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because then now you'll never step out of line.

617
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, sure, Gary. He's at Gary. At this point,

618
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: he's got five different identities. He's working with Pablo Escobar.

619
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: He's making two hundred thousand dollars per load that he's

620
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: flying into the US, right, so five loads million dollars

621
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: he's smuggling. Loads are usually about four hundred pounds of cocaine,

622
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: so he keeps wanting to push the loads. It's right.

623
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: He's like, Oh, Pablo, we gotta go bigger, bigger. It

624
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 2: was going to seven forty seven. He's like, Gary, are

625
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 2: you sure? Right. The director of the documentary The Invisible Pilot, right,

626
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: phill Lot, He told the New York Post, Gary tells

627
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: this great story of purchasing planes, and he created Pablo

628
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: Escobar's air force. And it was several planes, big planes,

629
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: not just single injured and twin engines. These were jets,

630
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: so all moral judgments inside and that's a huge mountain.

631
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: We're moving to the side right now. Plane shopping with

632
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: Pablo Escobar in.

633
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: The idea that he has like the all this whole fleet.

634
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, can you imagine it? It's just you

635
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: and Pablo and you go on a test flight with

636
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: like a possible new coke smuggling beauty, and you're like, now,

637
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: rather than to talk about this, Elizabs, let's just be

638
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: about it. I'd like you to.

639
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: Close your eyes as a close.

640
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: And picture it. You are ten thousand feet off the

641
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: you're flying. You're not like Superman though, more like Wonder Woman,

642
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: as in, you are inside of a plane, but not

643
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 2: an invisible plane like Wonder Woman. You are aboard a

644
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: private plane. There is a pilot and a co pilot,

645
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: and you are in the passenger section of this part plane,

646
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: seated on a couch, sipping on a cocktail. Is Pablo Escobar.

647
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: You are the private flight attendant. Oh god, the small

648
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: plane is leerjetic, comfortable, wellbow pointed. You have just prepared

649
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 2: a fresh round of drinks served on a silver tray.

650
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 2: You hate your new job. You promised yourself you'd stop

651
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: taking these random jobs. But you're doing a favor for

652
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: our friend. They said, one charter flight.

653
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: Cool.

654
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: Cool, and you said, sure, sounds fun. Now you're in it.

655
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 2: And anyway, the pilot of the plane, he gets up

656
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: from the controls, he turns it over to the co pilot.

657
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: He comes back and joins you in. Pablo Escobar. You

658
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: offer a drink to the pilot, Gary Bettzner.

659
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 3: He takes it almost to the pilot.

660
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: He asked you like the view. You assume he's being flirtatious,

661
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: but he means it literally. And also he's talking to Pablo,

662
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 2: and so Pablo is focused on he's looking out the window.

663
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: So you look to below you is this beautiful, lush

664
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: green valley in the Colombian landscape. It's like a wrinkle

665
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: between the mountains. It looks kind of like Hawaii, just

666
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: more of everything, more leaves, more bushes, more trees. The

667
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: valley is just a chaos of shades of green. The

668
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: sky above christ in blue clouds above you, and then

669
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: in in the distance they are thick, puffy, looks like

670
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: rain's coming. Pablo says, stes Colombia, my friend. Now. Gary

671
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: nods and he agrees Columbia. And Pablo looks back from

672
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: the window. You hand him his refreshed drink. The ice

673
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: clanks in the cut crystal glass. Go sit, Pablo tells you.

674
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: He pats the seat next to him on the couch.

675
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: You're a little leery, but you put down the silver

676
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: tray and you sit with Pablo on the couch across

677
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: the tiny coffee table on his own love seat. Gary

678
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: takes the sip and says, this is a great man.

679
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: Do you know who he is? Is who's flying the.

680
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: Plane the copo? Okay, you do not know who this is.

681
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: This is Pablo Escobar. He will be the next president

682
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: of Colombia. He is a great humanitarian. Bablo smiles at

683
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: the praise. You wonder what the point is. Gary continues,

684
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: This man he gives the world cocaine. Give is a

685
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: generous word for what Pablo Escobar does. But you pertly nod.

686
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: You're polite. Gary goes on what he does is a

687
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: holy thing, the service he has performed for mankind and gout.

688
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: Gary sniffs a little, and that's when it all clicks

689
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: into place. He's zooted on the coca Yes, hello, nods.

690
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: He's seemingly understanding what's being said about him. He interrupts

691
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: to talk more about planes Lucas. He says, because he

692
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: knows him as Lucas. You have convinced me the leriget

693
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: this is the way to go for us my business.

694
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: I want to buy five of these now, Gary is key,

695
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about, Pablo. He turns back to you.

696
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: This man, my friend here, he is a legend, and

697
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: rightly so, I would sing his praises to anyone, to you,

698
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: not only as a smuggler, but as a human being. Now, Pablo,

699
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: He winces at the word smuggler. Pablo looks at you

700
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: for reaction. You tell him that pays well, I imagine.

701
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: Now Gary has brought out a small glass vial of cocaine.

702
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: It attempts to discreetly do a little bit more. Pablo

703
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: looks disappointed. He asks, can the co pilots land these

704
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: plane now? Gary snorts a bump of coke off his

705
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: hand and promise, Oh sure, yeah, no problem. He's crashed

706
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: more planes and you've bought Pablo. This does not make

707
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: Pablo Escobar feel better, doesn't make you feel better. You

708
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: just wonder how do I end up in these situations?

709
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: How do I up in these situations?

710
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: Now? As fun as that all was for you and

711
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: for him, right, Arry eventually grew tired of his cocaine

712
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: smuggling days, Elizabeth, and probably that was as a result,

713
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: as they told you, the Colombians showing up at Sally's

714
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: house unannounced and taking pictures of his children, yeah, and

715
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: showing them to him. So old Lucas, Noel Harmon. He's like,

716
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: I need to get out, and I probably need to

717
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: save my family too. So Gary plans his exit from

718
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: the cartel. That's not easy. It's a little bit tricky

719
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: because the problem is you know too much.

720
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

721
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: He still thought he could pull this off. I can

722
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: get I'm Gary Betzner or Lucas with the lid off.

723
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: Now he's like, I'll just tell Pablo. I want two

724
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: weeks notice. No, wait, I'll tell Pablo a month. He's

725
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what does he tell Pablo. So

726
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: his retirement plans were hastened when Florida cops busted a

727
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: runner who was picking up a load from him at

728
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: a local airport. Gary lost a whole plane load of

729
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: Pablo Escobar's drugs, all right, So he's lucky to survive

730
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: and stay free. So he's like, I gotta get out.

731
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: He sees the riding on the wall. Yeah, and like quote,

732
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: it was too risky. I packed my bags and locked

733
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: the door and left. He cuts and runs right. He

734
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: went back to where he felt safe, Hawaii. He's out

735
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: there among the nudists, which you think about, it's pretty smart.

736
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: Really damn hard to hide a gun if you're naked. True,

737
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: So you see Pablo's men coming for you, then be

738
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: the one sounds exactly, look all clean. So Gary at

739
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 2: this point escaped cartel successfully, he'd escape the Florida police,

740
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: escaped the US government. He's free. He's in a true

741
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 2: paradise on Earth. Why what does Gary Betzner do next, Elizabeth?

742
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: He goes back to Miami. Why three months after he

743
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 2: escaped Florida with his life, Why why would he do that?

744
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: He was out Well, the answer is very simple. His

745
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: old boss and buddy, George Morales, after.

746
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 3: From the speedboatboat Racer.

747
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: Right, he owned an aviation firm and he had hired

748
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: Gary to be one of his pilots. His friend gets busted,

749
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: Morales contacted Gary and begged him to fly one last level.

750
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: It's always it's always one Morales.

751
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: He didn't want Gary to fly coc into America. Not

752
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: this time, not this time Elizabeth. This time he wanted

753
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: Gary to fly load into El Salvador. He was running

754
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: weapons for a group called the contrast Us. Morow said

755
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: it had to be Gary because he was the best

756
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 2: pilot of the thirty pilots he had worked in his fleet.

757
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: Gary called, I didn't want to do it, but I

758
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: love and trusted George. He took me in when I

759
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: was well, like an orphan. So he thinks about the

760
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: bonds between men who called themselves outlaws, and he makes

761
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: up his mind. Gary, He's explained it, he said, in

762
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: our business, your word is your bond. Not to his wife,

763
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: but to his business partners. His word is his bond. No,

764
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: Gary Betzner, He's at this point working for Pablo Escobar,

765
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: soon to be working for the CIA, running guns to

766
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: the Contrasts. He's a conspiracy theorist, wet.

767
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 3: Dream completely, so Morales.

768
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 2: He promises, old buddy. Then, even if he got caught

769
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: this time, he could lean onto CIA context to get

770
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: Gary out of his legal trouble with any Feds or

771
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: any smuggling issues, whatever came up. He was confident because

772
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: by working with the CIA, Morales had been able to

773
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: give about four million to five million dollars to the

774
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 2: contrerass from drug profits now the Contras in the Narcos.

775
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: They were natural allies, Elizabeth because in the world, the

776
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: flow of world events, they were both virulent anti communists.

777
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: That wasn't enough for them to have a bond and

778
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: with Reagan, so they all just became a triangle. And

779
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: so Gary's in business with Pablo Escobar, the Contras, the CIA,

780
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: as he would later testify in the US Senate, it's

781
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: strictly a capitalist movement, this drug business.

782
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 3: Oh god.

783
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 2: Anyway, setting history aside for just one moment. In nineteen

784
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: eighty four, Gary Betsner was busted yet again. He was

785
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: flying coke for Pablo Escobar's cartel and he got caught

786
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: in Florida. Oooh yeah, Sadly, Gary Betster is no longer dead.

787
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: He's now alive. He's all over the news. He's also

788
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: in federal custody. His family now has to deal with

789
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: the fact that Gary's been suddenly found alive. His wife

790
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: lied about this. She's still in the small town. So

791
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 2: everybody in the town now knows the truth. You know

792
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: what hell that would be?

793
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that small of a town.

794
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: Yes, And Gary is still at this point counting on

795
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: his CIA connections to keep him out of trouble, and

796
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: he was wrong. Oh no, there was no such immunity

797
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: in place. Gary Besner was tried, convicted, and sentenced to

798
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: twenty seven years and two months in federal prison on

799
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: charges of cocaine importation. It didn't take long for Gay

800
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: to realize I do not like it in here a

801
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: little bit. So he wanted out. What's he gonna do?

802
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: He had a plant's take a break, do little ads,

803
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: and next up, I'll tell you a helicopter escape attempt

804
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: from federal prison and inter Senator John Kerry. Okay, Elizabeth,

805
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: where were we?

806
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 3: That's right?

807
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: Federal prison, the maghouse, the slammer, Yes, the Who's goal?

808
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, the FC Yes?

809
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: What was it? Was it? Felony? Felony? University? No? Anyway,

810
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: Bestner's inside, he doesn't like it. He gets his wife

811
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: to work on the outside to help get him free. Baby, baby,

812
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: if you just help me break out of prison this time,

813
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 2: I swear I'll make it right for us.

814
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 3: He's hypnotizing her.

815
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 2: October ninth, nineteen eighty six, the UPI headline reads, FBI

816
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 2: foils escape attempt. Oh boy, As the story reports, Dateline, Miami.

817
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: Two convicts who chartered a helicopter to pluck them from

818
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: a prison yard were surprised when the choppers passengers included

819
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: three FBI agents. The FBI said Thursday. The choppers intended

820
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: passages were Gary Morales and his new prison by the

821
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: thirty year old fellow smuggler named Terry g. Brisino. Terry Yeah. Now,

822
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: the story goes, quote, the two men ran to the

823
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: middle of the football field at MCC and stood beneath

824
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: the helicopter, which was hovering twenty feet above the field. Now,

825
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: these two men, Gary and his buddy Terry, Gary and Terry, Yeah,

826
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: they gaze up at the underside of the chopper like

827
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 2: it's the face of freedom, right, And all of a

828
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: sudden the face grimaces at them because Gary noticed, and

829
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: I quote, they both suddenly realized the helicopter was occupied

830
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: by three FBI agents and they were immediately taking into

831
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: custody by other FBI agents and prison personnel on the ground.

832
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 3: Wait, how did he know they were FBI? Looking at

833
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: the moon, they were like dark suit.

834
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: They had the FBI I had. They looked like the FBI.

835
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: So according to the EPI, the two were arrested quote

836
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 2: at seven thirty five pm Wednesday, on the football field

837
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: at Metropolitan Correctional Center. In charge with attempted escape and conspiracy,

838
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: said William E. Walls, special FBI Agent in charge of

839
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: the Miami office. Anyway, my favorite detail about all this story, yeah,

840
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: quote on Monday, Betsner's wife in Chapel Hill in North

841
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: Carolina gave undercover FBI agents in nineteen eighty four BMW

842
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: worth about forty thousand dollars as a down payment for

843
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: the escape. The complaint said, if you wanted to know

844
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: the BMW six thirty three oh prison officials had been

845
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: listening in on the phone calls. The pilot was also

846
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 2: completely connected to the FBI. He was a sheriff.

847
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 3: So they were just like flipping through the paper the

848
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: new helicopter tour service and they're like, people.

849
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: I don't know how they tried to you have a

850
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: collect call. Somebody contacted them. They're like, I'm trying to

851
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 2: get out, and they talked to somebody, and then somebody

852
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: was like, I think whoever. The first person they talked

853
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: to in prison ratted them out, and then they connected

854
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: him with like a sheriff, and the triffs like, yeah,

855
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm I'm your guy, right, but.

856
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 3: I like to imagine it that they called collect from

857
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 3: the prison to the charter service. Yeah, and then we're like, yeah,

858
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: my wife's gonna pay you. And she shows up and

859
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: is like here will you take? Do you take car?

860
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: He take silver Bullion?

861
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: You except car?

862
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: How about eighty four BMW's.

863
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: Have a collect call from He gets.

864
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: Busted, And this is at this point, we're in nineteen

865
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 2: eighty six. A year later, nineteen eighty seven, Sally goes

866
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: to visit Gary in prison, after presumably helping him try

867
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: to escape. She discovers that Gary was married to a

868
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: new woman, a woman named Cynthia, and they had a son,

869
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: a boy named William. Now the news story's only ever

870
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: said his wife. I don't know which wife the love

871
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: of his life, wife Sally or his new wife Cynthia.

872
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 2: They don't mention by name. Huh yeah, So anyway, bad

873
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: way do.

874
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 3: You pick up this new wife? I don't know, I

875
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: don't even know how real quick on this way?

876
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: Like he was like he saw her, like on the

877
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: prison bus. He was on his way anyway, but up

878
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 2: the number. Yeah, anyway. The next year, eighty seven, Gary

879
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 2: Bestner find himself to be the star of one of

880
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: the most bizarre moments in US political history, a time

881
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: known as the Iran Contra affair. Now the Iran Contra affair,

882
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: if you remember that loads of guns that Gary had

883
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: been running to El Salvador for George Morales, that one

884
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: last load. There are other loads. Apparently that wasn't the

885
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: only load. And during the one run of contraband, Gary

886
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 2: was met at a rural out of the way airport

887
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 2: by an American named Chris, whom he understood to be

888
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: a CIA agent. Right now, to make sense of all

889
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 2: this for the let's turn to the Congressional record and

890
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: inter Senator John Kerrey. But actually know what before that,

891
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: a quick little history? Who were the Contras? And what

892
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: was the Iran Contra affair? Before I dive into it,

893
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: like I'll just tell you, I'll keep it very mercifully brief.

894
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: The Contras they were counter revolutionaries in Nicaragua. The Contras

895
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: were less on a singular organized rebel army energy. They

896
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: are more like an umbrella term that referred to all

897
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: of the disparate groups who wanted to undo the Sandinistas.

898
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: Now turning to Brown University, quote the contras were disparate

899
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: groups comprised former National guardsmen, ex Sandinista soldiers critical of

900
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: the new regime, peasants, farmers upset with intrusive Sandinista land policies.

901
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: Nicaragua and exiles including former guardsmen and members of the

902
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 2: Conservative Party gathered in El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, and Miami

903
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 2: and discussed the prospect of both unarmed and armed opposition

904
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 2: to the Sandinistas. Now, the Sandinistas were the socialists, their revolutionaries. Yeah,

905
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: they had been closely aligned with Cuba, Panama, Venezuela and

906
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 2: then via them, the Soviet Union. So they took ower

907
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 2: in January nineteen seventy nine, and that scared the hell

908
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: out of the anti communists in the US. Meanwhile, what

909
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: else was going on in nineteen seventy eight and nineteen

910
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: seventy nine in the world Elizabeth in the Middle East region,

911
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: the little thing called the Iranian Revolution That also scared

912
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 2: the hell out of many of the same people back

913
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: in the West. So they said, how do we get

914
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: this chocolate in this peanut butter together. CIA is like, oh,

915
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 2: we got a plan. So the Theia they get involved

916
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 2: in thwarting both of these growing threats to the American hegemony. CIA,

917
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: they just kind of swirled it together like a chocolate

918
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 2: and vanilla ice cream, and they mixed their black book

919
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: funds together and they started sending missiles to Iranian revolutionaries

920
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: that were paid for with cocaine profits from Columbia. They

921
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: were then circulated to the Nicaraguan counter revolutionaries, usually his

922
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 2: Arms and Weapons. Okay, weird triangle. So nineteen eighty Ronald

923
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: Reagan gets elected, things start getting anti communists real quick. Yeah,

924
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 2: he loved to talk about the evil umpires. You probably recall.

925
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: He was damn sure it wasn't gonna let any communism

926
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: spread in Central America. So he says, CIA have at it.

927
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: He gives them the green flag money whatever they need.

928
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: CIA starts spending the beginning half of the eighties working

929
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 2: with narco traffickers to fund the concert They're going to

930
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: win this war with cocayen, so they use the drug

931
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 2: profits from the concerts. They send that over to Israel

932
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: to buy basically their own missiles, but to pay Israel

933
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: to give them to Iran through second party vendors. It's

934
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: a whole thing, right. October fifth, nineteen eighty six, A

935
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: plane load to the contraband for the Concres gets shot

936
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: down and Americanism on board. This becomes undeniable physical evidence

937
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: of American involvement. Who Meanwhile, Congress had passed a law

938
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 2: we could not be involved in this. President Reagan's like, nah, Son,

939
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: you got your facts mixed up. I don't even know

940
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: this dude, He don't know me. What are you talking about?

941
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: Nothing comes of this shot down American but the conscious

942
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 2: story it won't go away. Later the same month, another

943
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 2: shipment of American missiles transported, once again via Israeli channels.

944
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: It gets sent to Iran, intended for Iran's war against

945
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 2: the Soviet backed neighbor Iraq.

946
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

947
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: Now, Iran had paid three point six million dollars to

948
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 2: a CIA front company. The money was turned over to

949
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: CIA officials who supplied the missiles. The CIA took their

950
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: money from the Iran missile deal and diverted it through

951
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: black market funds to the contras in Nicaragua. Presumably this

952
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: money would be used to fight communists, all right, but

953
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: it usually went to the aid of narco traffickers, folks

954
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 2: like Pablo Escobar. So November nineteen eighty six, two Lebanese

955
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: newspapers break this story and then that was it. It's

956
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: all over. American TV investigative reporters jump on it. It's

957
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: the new Watergate. The Washington Post finds George Morales, who's

958
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: in prison. They hear the story about this guy, so

959
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 2: they find him, and then George Morales tells him about

960
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 2: his pilot, Gary Bester. You's got to talk to Gary.

961
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: He'll corroborate what I say. Suddenly, this whole new Watergate

962
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: has all these threads to pull on, and people started

963
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: yanking Elizabeth. Oh, yeah, do you remember Iran Contra hearing?

964
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: I do? I was, you know, I was young?

965
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I just remember it took forever.

966
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 3: It took forever, and I remember being very convoluted.

967
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: At the time, forever like four hours, and I didn't.

968
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: Quite follow it, you know, Like you said, I was

969
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 3: very young and like very convoluted. Nor had I do

970
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: remember too, like I used to have when I was young.

971
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 3: I had a pin on like my jacket or whatever

972
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: that said. I survived a Reagan administration. If you're wondering

973
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: how obnoxious I was, yes, too, probably, but like honestly,

974
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 3: like what what was I doing?

975
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah?

976
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: Who knows.

977
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: It was probably came with one of your tope eggs

978
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: from your subscriptions to the New Yorker.

979
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 3: Legit I did so.

980
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: Also, there was another big name in this. Uh, there's

981
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: Colonel Oliver North.

982
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

983
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: Senator John Kerrey really made his name during this, other

984
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 2: than obviously what he'd done with the My Life masker

985
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: stuff as a soldier, but as a senator, this is

986
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 2: what he makes his name in a lot of ways.

987
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: He's on the national news all the time. And at

988
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: the center of all of this is Gary Bestner. Now

989
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: we've talked about Gary Besner. Imagine adding this figure to.

990
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: This, this little naked cropped us You.

991
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: Ready to talk Gary, This is the last thing that

992
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: the CIA wanted, all all right. Somehow Gary makes it

993
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: safely to the Capitol and he's able to testify before

994
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: the Senate on April seventh, nineteen eighty eight. Other witnesses

995
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: are disappearing throughout this time. People are dropping deck and overdoses.

996
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: It's bad.

997
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

998
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: So at one point Gary recalled force. Senator carried the

999
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: excitement of his smuggling days and how he'd once had

1000
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: to employ evasive maneuvers to avoid two DA planes chasing him.

1001
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: He's like, I went between the condominiums and flew down

1002
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: along the waterway and Gary managed to sneak in like

1003
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: a landing at a nearby airport. John Carrey is loving this, right,

1004
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: she had another one. He's telling him a similar like

1005
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: hard luck story at the other end of a smuggling run.

1006
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 2: One time, he was flying a plane that had been

1007
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: painted military green. He was flying it low to avoid radar.

1008
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: He was low on fuel and he was loaded down

1009
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: with cocaine. He took a zigzag path over Cuban airspace

1010
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: that triggered a response from the Cuban Air Force. They

1011
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: sent up two MiG nineteens to shoot him down. He

1012
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,959
Speaker 2: had to perform epic barrel rolls, disappeared behind a cloud bank,

1013
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: and he emerged from the thick cloud bank and dropped

1014
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: into this mountain valley and used the high valley walls

1015
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: as cover. He's literally doing like you know, the gun type.

1016
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: Why if we just saw yeah, so that scrape for

1017
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: the Cuban Air Force. It convinces him to get a

1018
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: transpotter code so he could alert the Cubans and who's

1019
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: going to be flying over their airspace? As he just

1020
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: makes a little change, like, hey, guys, ca I buy

1021
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 2: one of those transponders. Here's a million dollars. They're like okay.

1022
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: So so now I don't know if you know this,

1023
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 2: but Senator John Kerry is a pilot, so he was

1024
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: loving all. He keeps asking questions after a question, and

1025
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 2: people are like, Senators, should we talk about the Iran Contra.

1026
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: He's like, moral issues, Yeah, let's get.

1027
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: Back to the Iran contrace. So in an LA Time

1028
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: story from April eighth, nineteen eighty eight, with the headline

1029
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: gave Contras four million dollar drug smuggler testifies, it detailed

1030
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: Morales and Gary Betzner's stunning testimony before Senator John Kerrey subcommittee,

1031
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 2: and I quote Senator John Kerrey said that the testimony

1032
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: before the Foreign Relations sub Committee he heads quote makes

1033
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: it very clear that narcotics dollars were involved in the

1034
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: Contra support process. He also said the testimony indicates that

1035
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: the Reagan administration officials turned their back on drug trafficking

1036
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: and the interest of pressing their support of the Contra's

1037
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: guerrilla war against Nicaragua's San Denista government. So he basically

1038
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: connected that the CIA was doing all this stuff. Yeah,

1039
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 2: you hear about. He's the one who's like, oh, yeah,

1040
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 2: here it is Awaa doing the cocaine with the Contras

1041
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: and the Iran and the missiles. Yeah here it is. Yeah,

1042
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 2: I'm at the center of all of it. I flew

1043
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: that stuff.

1044
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: I'm Gary, exactly.

1045
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: Call me Gary. This is by buddy George. So they

1046
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: both testified, George and Gary. They testified before the Senate Commissions.

1047
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 2: Morales testified the using his fleet of planes his pilots

1048
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: delivered contraband. From nineteen eighty four through eighty five, he

1049
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: ranged six flights to landing strips in remote locations in

1050
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: Costa Rica, in particular, this one landing strip that was

1051
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: adjacent to a ranch owned by this mystery American farmer

1052
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: named John Hull. Now the details were like a real

1053
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: life spy movie. You got Iranian Iranian missile deals and

1054
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: narco traffickers and a mysterious American farmer. Totally right. So

1055
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: his best pilot, Gary Betzner, he corroborated his old buddy's testimony.

1056
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: He testified he indeed flew in loads of weapons to

1057
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: John Hall's landing strip in Costa Rica. In exchange, he'd

1058
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 2: fly at with Duffel bags of cocaine. So Morales is

1059
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 2: brought in by the CIA and the contrass he brings

1060
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: in his hippie pilot, Gary Bessner. Gary, I was operating

1061
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: under the assumption he was protected by CIA handlers. So

1062
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: he tells that to John Carrey. In senate testimony. Gary

1063
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: tells Senator Carry that he believed Morales quote had made

1064
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: a deal with the CIA to supply the contrast. He

1065
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: wanted me to fly guns in ammunition to the contrast

1066
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 2: and bring some contra band back. So he's like, this

1067
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: is what I was told. So Gary tells, you know,

1068
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: Senator Carry, that he'd also met the CIA mystery American

1069
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Speaker 2: John Hall on multiple occasions. He'd personally given him guns.

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Speaker 2: He gave them some M sixteen machine guns, those big daddies.

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00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: He gave him some M sixteen rifles as well a

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00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: C four explosives. Land mines. The land mines were particular

1073
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: interests because they used them to mine the harbors and

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00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: it became a big story and the nose and ships

1075
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: were going down. So he's like, oh, yeah, I delivered

1076
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 2: those exact mines, all of it for exchange for cocaine.

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00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 2: It was great and they were like what he's like. Yeah,

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00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: and over small arms. They gave me fifteen to seventeen

1079
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,320
Speaker 2: buffel bags of cocaine. Now, Elizabeth, the nineteen eighties, America,

1080
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: the nation was shocked, shocked to hear this. So we

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00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: may not be so shocked now, but they were shocked.

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00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: So Gary told Sandra Carry with a straight face, he'd

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00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 2: smuggled cocaine to safeguard the future of America. And I quote,

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00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: somewhere inside of me, I have a deep appreciation of

1086
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: my country, It's history, the constitution, and what it stands for.

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00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: It still moves my soul. Now, none of his testimony

1088
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 2: helped lessen his sentence. Perhaps he was telling the truth.

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00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that. Gary Betsner never got any protection

1090
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 2: from the CIA. He served at his full prison sentence.

1091
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: He was finally set free in twenty eleven. He's still

1092
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: alive today. As I said, he recently starred in the

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00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: HBO documentary The Invisible Pilot. I recommend it if you

1094
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: actually a three part series. Now, Gary has remarried, in

1095
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: case you were wondering how his love life is doing.

1096
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 2: He has a fifth wife. Her name is Julie. They

1097
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: live in what seems to be her mother's basement. A

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00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: typical night for them, according to Gary, is I usually

1099
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: sit there, Julie sits over here. She smokes cigarettes and

1100
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,240
Speaker 2: I smoke weed. Oh so eighty year old Gary smoking

1101
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 2: weed the basement in Arkansas?

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00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 3: Does he have a new child named Marie Calendar?

1103
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: If like me, you were still thinking about Gary's poor kids, Yeah,

1104
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: Sally spoke to this. She said in the documentary The Mother.

1105
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: You know, there's so many stories about crazy smugglers, but

1106
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 2: they never talk about the women in the family. They

1107
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: never talked about those that were left behind, who really

1108
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: carried the weight. Okay, now she only alluded to the kids.

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00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 2: She didn't actually mentioned them. I guess there's your answer.

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00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: The kids still came second, even.

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00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 3: In her right always.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, if you ever hear this, Travis and

1113
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: Sarah Lee, I feel for y'all. I got a raw deal.

1114
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: I just hope you can laugh at this with us,

1115
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: because you can. Okay, Look, I'll put it this way.

1116
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: You can pick your nose, you can pick guitar, but

1117
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: you can't pick your family. So you just have to

1118
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 2: endure them gracefully. They're the heroes in Yes, I hope

1119
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: you're all in a good place. I really do. Honestly,

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00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: there you go, Elizabeth the outlaw folk bower. Did the

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00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: story have everything? I mean, do you remember when Gary

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00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: hypnotized his wife to fake her own death?

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00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 3: That was so long ago, it's like four years ago. Takeaway,

1124
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: my ridiculous takeaway is one if you if you wind

1125
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 3: up having to go to Hawaii, just stay in Hawaii,

1126
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 3: you know, although don't don't you know, impose on local culture.

1127
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: But yes, come on, like you're there.

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00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: I got there.

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00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 3: And then I think, too, I still don't believe the

1130
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 3: hypnosis thing, and is she still hypnotized? You'd have to ask, Yeah,

1131
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: what's your ridiculous take Oh my god, I.

1132
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking. No, mine was actually yours. So

1133
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna take it back. Hypnotism, that's wild, right,

1134
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: what's up with that? What's up with that? So I

1135
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: guess it really works. I mean, this is, like iose,

1136
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: for those who believe.

1137
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,399
Speaker 3: It works, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1138
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: And then that's the key aspect. When I was doing research,

1139
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: I was like seeing different people do hypnotism, and like,

1140
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: you know that they can get people to like put

1141
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: their like bodies on chairs and then they go up

1142
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: and stand on people and stuff to prove that they're

1143
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: like stiff as a board or you know, stiff a

1144
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 2: steel or whatever. So I've seen I saw a bunch

1145
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: of people just some wild stuff and they were just convinced.

1146
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 2: So I think it's just purely if you can convince

1147
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: a person, they can go a lot further than they

1148
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 2: would ever think possible.

1149
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, but even if I believe it, I don't think

1150
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 3: my body would be like, yeah, let's go planking. Like No.

1151
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: That's my point is that I think that it's it's

1152
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: you may break something, you may have written, you know,

1153
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: like you may never walk again. But I think for

1154
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: those seven seconds you would do it doing it and

1155
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: then your body would collapse or whatever. But yeah, that's

1156
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 2: what I was blown away by some power suggestion. Yeah,

1157
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: you don't do benefits, Gary Betzner. Anyway, that's all I

1158
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: got for it. I hope you enjoyed it. Beautiful as always.

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Speaker 2: You can find us online a Ridiculous Crime, Twitter, Instagram,

1160
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Speaker 2: I don't know, look around. We have a website Ridiculous

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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