1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello again, everyone, 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette and 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: I am an editor here at how staff works dot com. 6 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: Sitting across from me as always a senior writer, Jonathan Strickland. 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: The pit is completely enclosed and it's full of leathery 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: objects like eggs or something. Wow. I might even know 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: where that came from. Really I haven't. I haven't seen 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: it all, but I've seen parts of it. Yeah, Na 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: clause the movie right, that is not where that's from. 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with what we're going to 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: talk about today either. Nope, we have done a podcast. Actually, 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: I think we've done a couple really, either directly related 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: to or tangentially related to the Apple iPad. Yeah, we 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: actually talked about it to when we were still doing 17 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: Tech Stuff Live, the video show. Um, we talked about 18 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: it because we were doing news topics and it was 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: trending right about the time we were finishing up that show. Yeah, 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: that was back when it was just a rumored device. 21 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: And then of course it turned out the rumors were 22 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: in fact true, and the iPad hit the market. And 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: you may recall, and we'll talk about this again at 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: the end of the year, that at the beginning of 25 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: last year I predicted that the iPad would come out, 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: which was correct, but that it would totally flop, and 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: that was about as wrong as you can get. Yeah, 28 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, I read just today, the 29 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: day we are recording this, that the rate of adoption, 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: according to mp ARE, the rate of adoption for iPad 31 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: UH users is faster than that of DVD. And of 32 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: course they I don't know why. I guess the DVD 33 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: was one of the fastest adoption rates for new technologies. Um, 34 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: but yeah, they always they it seems like they always 35 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: use DVDs as a benchmark. But I think four point 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: five million iPads they said in a quarter, which is 37 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: pretty significant. Well, you think about DVD d s when 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: they first when the players first hit the market, they 39 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: were incredibly expensive. Yeah, they were. Well, it's like a 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: lot of the different technologies to CDs were the same way, right, 41 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: But the point being that that the iPad can do 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: more than a DVD player could At the time when 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: DVDs first came out, that's true, and the iPad is 44 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: less expensive than the initial DVD players when they hit 45 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: the market and far more portable than those initial DVD 46 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: players as well. But this is not an ad for 47 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: Apple iPad because they don't need it. Well, that's the thing. 48 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: Once you come out with a successful technology, other people 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: will seize the opportunity to come up with a competitor 50 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: and uh try their hand at the market. And we've 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: actually seen a few of these competitors at the market. 52 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: Some of them tried to hit the market before the 53 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: iPad came out, and you don't hear about them very 54 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: much because they just didn't really make a big splash 55 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: in the consumer marketplace. So like the Arcos tablets for 56 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: for example, those are um those are tablets that run 57 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: on either Android, Linux, or Windows. They have models that 58 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: run on each of those operating systems, mostly Android recently, 59 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: because that seems to be the new approach to tablets, 60 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: because the tablet form factor is not new, No, not 61 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: in the least. It's been around for a decade or so. Oka. 62 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: The only place that I've really encountered the traditional tablets. 63 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: And when I say tablets, uh, they don't look if 64 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: you haven't seen these, they don't look like the new 65 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: crop of tablets. These are almost full sized PCs. Most 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: of the ones I've seen are essentially a notebook form 67 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: factor with a screen that will flip over and allow 68 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: you to fold it back on top of the computer 69 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: so that it it functions as a tablet. But it's 70 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: the size it's got, you know, I guess probably around 71 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: fifteen inch, well maybe not fifteen twelve thirteen screen. It's 72 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: big compared to these newer tablet and there's there's still 73 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: a few of those out there, and we used a 74 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: lot of medical professions. We saw like the was it 75 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: Dell that had the duo the duo that's coming out, 76 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: which is it looks like a netbook computer or a 77 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: notebook computer. The the screen swivels within the frame, and 78 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: then you can fold the frame down so the screen 79 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: is face up and it becomes a tablet. Although as 80 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, the big problem there is that you've just 81 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: doubled the thickness of the screen. It's not as lightweight 82 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: or portable as other tablet form factors. And then you have, 83 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: like the Lenovo. You one idea of which may or 84 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: may not ever see the light of day. It was 85 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: something that blew me away at CES two and that 86 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: one again look like a notebook computer, but you could 87 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: detach the screen and the screen would become a new 88 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: tablet computer. Back at CS when they showed it off, 89 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: the entire device, when it was together, the keyboard and 90 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: the screen ran on Windows seven. When you detached the screen, 91 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: it switched to a Linux operating system, and then when 92 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: you would reattach it, it it would go back to Windows. 93 00:04:54,360 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: It would supposedly sink whatever application you were in, so 94 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: that let's say you're watching a movie, well you might 95 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: be watching the movie in one movie player in Lennox. 96 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: When you plug it back in, it would switch to 97 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: the Windows based movie player and pick up at the 98 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: same place where you left off in the film. That's impressive. Supposedly. 99 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: I did not see it work when I was at CES, 100 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: but that's what that was the goal. I mean, I 101 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: think they were still working on the synchronization. And back 102 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: over the summer of two thousand ten, the word got 103 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: out that Lenovo was was abandoning at least part of 104 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: that strategy. Uh, there's now a rumor that it will 105 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: come out the Lenovo you one will eventually come out. 106 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: It was supposed to come out in the summer and 107 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: it did not. There's now a rumor that it may 108 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 1: come out with an Android operating system for the tablet 109 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: part um. We'll have to wait and see. That would 110 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: be very interesting to me if that did, because it 111 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: answers a lot of the problems I have with the 112 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: tablet form factor. So the question is, now that the 113 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: Apple iPad is out and it's so successful, do any 114 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: other tablets have in a shot of the same sort 115 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: of success or even moderate success within the consumer marketplace? 116 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: Or is the iPad a unique device? A few weeks 117 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: ago we well, I don't know exactly when it's running 118 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: compared to this one, So I should say earlier we 119 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: discussed what early adopters are, and for the most part, 120 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: I would say that a lot of the people who 121 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: have bought iPads at this point are early adopters or 122 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: radio stations using them for promotional purposes. Because there is 123 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: a there's a radio station in the same building we're in, 124 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: and I see people on the elevator with an iPad 125 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: in its box, going downstairs from the radio station, and 126 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, they'll ask me how to get back to 127 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: the interstates. So I'm going, okay, so you just picked 128 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: up your price. I got it. There's almost a meme 129 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: about it's kind of fun about iPads being prizes. Yeah, 130 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot um, but yeah, I mean that 131 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: the the iPad actually came out in uh in April 132 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: of this year, hit store shelves, um, and it's starting 133 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: to make its way to regular retail stores. Target just 134 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: announced that it would be carrying it. UM just someone 135 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact this past weekend. UM. And Uh. 136 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: The thing is, I think I'm not sure that anyone 137 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: else was anticipating the iPad to be as much of 138 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: a success as it is, because I think that's part 139 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: of why, uh, some of them have been so slow 140 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: to get a device out the door. But um, in 141 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: in their rush to announce new products, I think they 142 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: may have been I think now at this point the 143 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: people who are developing tablets are on the right track 144 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: because some of them rushed too fast and came up 145 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: with sort of half maked attempts, and some of the 146 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: newer models that that look like they'll be out in 147 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: the in the coming months, I think may have a 148 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: shot at at least taking some of the potential market 149 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: share from the Apple iPad. So let's talk a little 150 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 1: bit about some of those. Uh, the one I wanted 151 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: to start with is the one I think is potentially 152 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: the strongest. Okay, which maybe you agree or disagree, But 153 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: the Samsung Galaxy Tab. As oft the time we're recording this, 154 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: I would certainly say it probably has the strongest chance. Yeah, 155 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: there's one other that we'll get to that I think 156 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: has a pretty good chance as well, but it's hard 157 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: to say because we know so little about it at 158 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: the moment. But the Galaxy Tab is an interesting tablet device. Now, 159 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: it's it's got a seven inch screen, so it's smaller 160 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: than the iPad. iPad screen is I think nine point 161 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: seven inches, so the Samsung Galaxy Tab is a little 162 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: smaller than the iPad. Uh. And it's it's got it's 163 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: running the Android operating System two point two, which is 164 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: in Froyo for those of you keeping score. Uh, that's 165 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: the that's the most recent Android build as of the 166 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: recording of this podcast. Now it's um, it's going to 167 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: in in Europe. It's got phone capabilities. We learned that 168 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: when it comes to the United States, those phone capabilities 169 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: will be stripped out, it will not run. You will 170 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: not be able to make phone calls on a cellular 171 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: system using the Galaxy Tab. Now you will be able 172 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: to use something like Skype, so you can still make 173 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: calls over the device. It's just it's not gonna have 174 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: its own dedicated phone number in the US. In Europe 175 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: it's a different story. And uh, you know it's gonna 176 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: have all these other elements, like a sixteen It comes 177 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: and I think either a sixteen gigabyte or a thirty 178 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: two gigabyte version, and you can also get a micro 179 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: SD card to give you up to thirty two gigabytes 180 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: extra storage. Now that's a big difference between the iPad 181 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: and the Galaxy Tab. The iPad comes in very specific, 182 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: uh models, and you can't upgrade the memory on an 183 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: individual model. If you if you've got the what are 184 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: they are? They at sixteen and thirty two and four. 185 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: So if you've got a sixteen gigabyte model of the 186 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: iPad and you wanted to increase the memory to thirty 187 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: two gigabytes, the only option you have is to go 188 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: out and buy a thirty two gigabyte iPad. You can't 189 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: upgrade that memory. This this has built the Galaxy tab 190 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: is built so that you can upgrade the memory yourself. Uh. 191 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: It also will run flash because Android two point two 192 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: does UM, so that sets it apart from the iPad. 193 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: And it has cameras built into it, which the iPad 194 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: does not, although we expect the next iPad probably will have. 195 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: It would shock me if the next model the iPad 196 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: does not have cameras. Yeah, and I would like to 197 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: point out too that for those of you who are 198 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: going to write in and tell us that about the 199 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: newer developments with Apple related to flash, yes we are aware. 200 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: For those of you who are not familiar with this um. 201 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: Apple announced a few weeks ago that they would permit 202 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: um people who are using flash to develop applications for 203 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: the iOS which runs the iPod, Touch, the iPhone and 204 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: the iPad. They can they can go ahead and do that. 205 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: They weren't allowed to do that. But it is not 206 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: the same as opening Safari and running going to a 207 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: website that uses a lot of flash and watching a 208 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: flash video or something on it. It's a little different, 209 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: right like, so if you if you want to make 210 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: it a concession. The thing I always run into back 211 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: when I was back when I still had my smartphone. 212 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: My smartphone died, so we can have a moment of silence. Anyway. Uh, 213 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: my smartphone ran Android one point six, which did not 214 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: was not capable of running flash. So if I went 215 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: to any restaurant website where the menu was programmed in flash, 216 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: I could not see the menu. It was very irritating 217 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: because that was one of the really useful things of 218 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: a smartphone. You're out, you're out, you want to check 219 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: and see what this restaurant's menus like. You don't want 220 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: to have to actually go to the restaurant to find out, 221 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: and then you discover that they've put their menu and 222 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: flash and you can't view it. Very irritating. Anyway, Samson, 223 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: Galaxy Tab not a problem. You could be able to 224 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: You would be able to see that sort of stuff. 225 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: And Uh, in the US, we don't know how expensive 226 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: it's going to be yet as of the recording of 227 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: this podcast, it will probably be that information will probably 228 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: be available by the time this publishes. But in the 229 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: UK it was just announced, uh that it will retail 230 00:11:53,440 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: for five pounds almost six pounds expensive, right, so uh, 231 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: and the article I read pointed out that that is 232 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: seventy pounds more than the highest, uh than the most 233 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: advanced iPad that's on the market in the UK, So 234 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: it costs more than the iPad. Now granted, this is 235 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: an unsubsidized price. As far as I can tell, it's 236 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: not linked to any particular carrier. So it may be 237 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: that there are subsidized versions of the Galaxy Tab. Like 238 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: if you went to the was it Orange? Is that 239 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: one of the ones in the UK? I'd say, you 240 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: go to Orange and they're carrying the Samsung Galaxy Tab 241 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: and you've got it through them, you might be able 242 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: to find a subsidized price through them. I don't know 243 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: because I don't live in the UK, So all your 244 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: Brits can write to me and tell me whether I'm 245 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: right or wrong, and maybe I'll pay attention and then 246 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: uh So, anyway, anyway, the Galaxy Tab I think has 247 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: the potential to really challenge the iPad. It's the Android 248 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: operating system is definitely a different system than the iOS UM. 249 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: I usually referred to it as you get out of 250 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: it what you put into it. Like iOS works, Apple 251 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: has such a firm grasp on the all the apps 252 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: that can go into it, and uh and the standards 253 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: they have to meet in order to become an app 254 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: for the iOS that the benefit for the consumer is 255 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: that whenever you get an app, it's going to do 256 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: what it's supposed to do, or at least there's a 257 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: very good chance for it, because Apple has very strict 258 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: about that. Uh, Android, it's more of a coin flip 259 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: type of situation. Sometimes things aren't gonna work the way 260 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: you thought they would because Android wants a more open environment. Well, 261 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: that means you have more flexibility and more choice, but 262 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily the things you choose may not necessarily 263 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: work the best way right. As with many things, there 264 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: is an upside in and downside to both models exactly. So, 265 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: I think the Galaxy table appeal to people who are 266 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,479 Speaker 1: a little more do it yourselfers than the iPad does necessarily. 267 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: Plus the camera I think makes a big difference until 268 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: the iPad comes out with a camera model, Um that's 269 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: gonna I mean you think about things like video conferencing, 270 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: like the FaceTime technology that Apple has designed, that's ideal 271 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: for something like the iPad. You know it, you'd be 272 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: it'd be easier to see someone on that screen than 273 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: an iPhone or iPod touch screen. Um, yeah, you know it. 274 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: It's a lot of the things that you mentioned about 275 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: the Samsung Galaxy Tab are common to uh the Android tablets. 276 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: Um that I've read about devices even even what I 277 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: consider regional at least at this point, UM, devices like 278 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: expansion ports in some cases USB ports. These are things 279 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: that some of the people have complained about not being 280 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: on the iPad or even h d M. I out, yeah, 281 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: exactly that that kind of stuff where you have standard 282 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: ports like Apple hates standard ports. Apple likes proprietary ports 283 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: where you have to have connectors in order to to 284 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: use that. Not on reproduct, but on many products, you 285 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: have to have a special pin connector and then uh 286 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: an adapter or a dock of some sort in order 287 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: to be able to attach it to other technology. I 288 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: see what you're saying. I see interesting, Um, But now 289 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: I was I was thinking specifically two of some of 290 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: the tablets that were at least not for a while 291 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: going to see like the we tab in Germany originally 292 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: called the we pad get it iPad we pad um 293 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: developed by a company called meg and then I have 294 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: to buy wee pads from my puppies. The Olive pad 295 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: uh in India. Um, these are all devices that are 296 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: coming out around the world that are using UH Android's 297 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: operating system. And there's also the Dell Streak, which is weird. 298 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: Dell Streak kind of walks the line between tablet and smartphone. 299 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: Now I am totally singing the Man in Black in 300 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: my head right because it walks the line. It does 301 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: walk the line the But the Dell Streak has a 302 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: five inch screen, which is you know, that's the it's 303 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: a it's a little too big for for it to 304 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: be like a smartphone, but it's a little too small 305 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: for most tablets. It's a weird size. It's interesting that 306 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: they went with that. It also runs Android one point six. 307 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: It was one of the things that Jason Heiner was 308 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: complaining about his review in August of back on zd net. 309 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: He was basically saying, it's a little large for a 310 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: smartphone and a little small for a tablet. Plus it's 311 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: running an older version version of Android. Yeah. However, from 312 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: what I understand, Dell intends to upgrade that to frow 313 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: you by the end of yes. Yes, and it has 314 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: a it does a Giga Hurts snap Dragon processor, so 315 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: it's it's got a lot of PEP to it, but 316 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: the same sort of thing as a lot of smartphones 317 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: have right now. Uh. And it's got the rear facing 318 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: in front facing camera. It's it can hold up to 319 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: a two gigabytes of memory, and it's SD card that's 320 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: just memory, not not storage space. Five twelve megabytes from 321 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: five and twelve megabytes RAM and then two gigabytes of 322 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: microSD memory. It's got a microst card slot that can 323 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: allow you to store up to sixteen gigabytes of are 324 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: Actually I'm sorry, sixteen gigabytes are included with the Dell Streak. 325 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: I don't know how much it can it's capable of holding. Uh, 326 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: and I know what retails for like five fifty bucks, 327 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: which is pretty expensive when you compare it to again, 328 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: the iPad. Yeah, you know, when you're looking at the 329 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: size of it. There are some other things too. Apparently 330 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: the WiFi built into the Dell Streak is eight or 331 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: two DOT eleven, B and G not in UM. And 332 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't support flash in the browser at least this 333 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: is according to the chart. It's Android one point six. 334 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: It won't Yeah, yeah, so you know. This is according 335 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: to a j S Shindies article in PC World India 336 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: as of October five. Um. But it does. The Dell 337 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: Streak does have one feature that I think is pretty useful. 338 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: What's up? And it's not even a software feature, it's 339 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: a hardware thing. What is it? It's got gorilla glass, yes, 340 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: which I think is really awesome. Grilla glass is a 341 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: very um strong impact resistant from what I understand the 342 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: form of glass, which is good if you're going to 343 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: carry around a small device that is easily dropped, as 344 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: many of us have with them of these things. The 345 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: Samsung Galaxy Tab may end up having gorilla glass as well. 346 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: I've read a report on that the and Dell also 347 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: plans on coming out with a seven inch tablet later 348 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: in and then possibly come out with a ten inch tablet. 349 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: So we it. Maybe it was like Dell is gonna 350 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: try and pepper this market with devices going all the 351 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: way down to three inches, which presumably would be a 352 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: smartphone up to ten inches, So they're really looking and 353 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: maybe that this is one of those things with strategy 354 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: of throw everything against the wall and see what sticks 355 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: and then concentrate on that. Yeah. I think. Um, I 356 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: think the iPad has proven that some people uh like 357 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: the form factor of a tablet. I mean, obviously, we've 358 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: we've proven that the smartphone is a good size and 359 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: form factor. So um, I think as far as tablets go, 360 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: we've reached the point at which the manufacturers are ready 361 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: and willing to go ahead and give it a try. 362 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: But we're gonna see a variety of sizes, um and 363 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: feature sets come out for you know, another probably year, 364 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: maybe even two years, until people figure out, oh, well 365 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: they like this size, that size and that size. And 366 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're only going to make so many of 367 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: this one size because we can only sell you know, 368 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: ten thousand of them a year. But you know, it's 369 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: enough where we can capture part of the market. Based 370 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: upon what I've heard from my pad users, I would 371 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: say that the size is less important than the weight. Yeah, 372 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: it's a heavy little piece of equipment. Yeah, so I 373 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 1: think a seven inch device, if it weighs less than 374 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: the iPad, if it's less dense, then that might have 375 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: an advantage. We should probably talk. I'm sorry you're about 376 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: to say something, well, I wanted before we move on 377 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: from the Google Android stuff. I think that's something very 378 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: apparently fairly recent. Um, that's very interesting. Uh, and It 379 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: came from an article actually, an of view that Gareth 380 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,719 Speaker 1: Vivas of Tech Grade ar H did with Google's director 381 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: of Products for Mobile, Hugo bearra Um. And Google is 382 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: saying that Android isn't ready for the tablet scene as 383 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: of right now. Um, they're saying that now I should 384 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: point out that Google Android operating system. Uh. If you're 385 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: wondering where froyo comes from, it's frozen yogurt slang. Uh. 386 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: And they name their stuff after I guess. There are 387 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: releases after I guess desserts. Would you say, yeah, yeah, 388 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: they're old desserts like a Claire donut goes and they're 389 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: going in alphabetic order. So yeah, the next version is 390 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: is cupcake. Oh yeah, the next version is gingerbread, and 391 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: the version after that is supposed to be honeycomb from 392 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: what from what I understand, but um, basically, uh, Mr 393 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: Barras said, you know, look, you know, Android is a 394 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: great operating system, but really the Android market is not 395 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: ready for devices larger than a smartphone. Um, they're the 396 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: applic the applications are not there yet, um. And Froyo 397 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: is not designed to used on a tablet. But there's 398 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,959 Speaker 1: a probable probability that Gingerbread the next release will be 399 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: and probably honeycome, I would imagine if not, you know, Gingerbread, 400 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: so it I think some of the from what I've read, 401 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: LG has backed out of releasing UH an Android tablet 402 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: because of this. Essentially, look, we can't deliver the optimum 403 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,880 Speaker 1: user experience. Um. This goes well with the Galaxy Tab though, 404 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: because it's a you know, closer in size to a smartphone, 405 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: and the Dell Streak as well, it's very very close 406 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: to a smartphone size. So UM, I don't know. I 407 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: think that's not going to UM. I don't think it's 408 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: going to set the manufacturers back in a big way, 409 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: but it may be enough of a stumbling block to 410 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: allow someone else to sweep in. Yeah. Yeah, And were 411 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: we going to mention that someone else? I was going 412 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: to mention, Well, you have something else you were gonna say. 413 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: The Samsung Galaxy Tab is one of the ones I 414 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: think as a strong contender. The other one I think 415 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: that could potentially be a strong contender for totally different 416 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: reasons is the recently announced BlackBerry Playbook. Yes, I agree 417 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: with you. The Playbook is another seven inch tablet device. 418 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: UH released by RIM. That's Research in Motion, a Canadian company. Ye, 419 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: and it's Uh, it's closely tied to their BlackBerry platform, 420 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: although it's it's running a different operating system than the 421 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: BlackBerry smartphone operating system. Yes, it is one that we 422 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: don't know much about. I know probably more about it 423 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: than you do, for reasons which will become clearer to 424 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: you in about twenty five seconds. You have one? Yeah, 425 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: see this is apparently No, seriously, you have one? What? No, 426 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: I don't have one. I almost had. I almost had 427 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: a eight. No. Sorry, you're freaking me out there for 428 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: a reason. Not a tablet. How the heck did you 429 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: get that? Does this mean the mount user after us? 430 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: The playbook was announced on September this year. Yes, um, 431 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: and it will be running on a kernel of software 432 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: called from a company called q n X. Yes and um. 433 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: Yeah and this is an Ottawa based company that's been 434 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: around for quite some time. But they were acquired by 435 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: RIM on April ninth of this year, which coincidentally was 436 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: the day after I bought my iPad. Um and uh. 437 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: The thing is, for those of you who have never 438 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: heard of the company, they have been around for quite 439 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: some time, more than thirty years. Part of that time 440 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: they were developing an alternative operating system for the Amiga. 441 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: And uh, this is back when Gateway owned the Amiga. 442 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: And now those of you are new to the podcast, 443 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: I don't know that. I'm a Rabbit. I'm still a 444 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: Rabbit Amiga fan. Yes, you now, I'm not excited anymore. 445 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: He no longer has a playbook, he just has an Amiga. Yeah, hey, 446 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: uh no the uh Unfortunately, the q n X or 447 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: Qunix guys never really could work with Gateway UM to 448 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: get the new operating system rolled out, although it was 449 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: supposed to be really, really promising at the time. We 450 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: were all excited, those of us who were still in 451 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: the Amiga bandwagon. So I had heard of them before, 452 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: and I was really excited to see that the uh um, 453 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: this new BlackBerry tablet would be running in the q 454 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: nix kernel. Um. But again, this is this is a 455 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: Unix like operating system, not unlike UH Android or the iOS. Well, 456 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: maybe I should have gone so far as to say 457 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: not that we wouldn't know so much about the operating 458 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: system as we don't know much about the UI. That's true, 459 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: that's user interface because you're unfamiliar. I'm sorry, I didn't 460 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: mean in that's because it's not the BlackBerry operating system. 461 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: This is an entirely new thing, or sort of new thing, 462 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: at least for BlackBerry users, right, and so it's, uh, 463 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: let's tell you a little bit more about the tablet itself. So, 464 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: like we said, it's a seven inch screen. It's got 465 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: a giga hurts dual core processor in it. I think 466 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah, so it can dual core processors for 467 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: for tablets are a fairly new thing. Uh, it's got 468 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: a gigabyte of RAM, it's got built in camera, has WiFi. 469 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: There's no cellular support, at least in the initial playbooks. 470 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: The one that they unveiled was WiFi only. It could 471 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: tether with a BlackBerry device though, So in fact, it 472 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: seems that the intent of the playbook is to really 473 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: tie in with the BlackBerry phones, and that you could 474 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: sink information between your phone and your your playbook and 475 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: be able to view the stuff that you would get 476 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: normally on your phone on a much larger screen and 477 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: be able to to navigate more quickly that way. And 478 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: it supports both HTML five and flash, which sets it apart, 479 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: of course from again the iPad, so the camera and 480 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: the HTML five and the flash stuff really kind of 481 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: sets it apart. But there's there's some problems here too. 482 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: One is we don't know when it's coming out and 483 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: we don't know how much it will be. Yeah, yeah, 484 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: that's true. Um, did you did you mention the I 485 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: was checking my notes to did you mention that it 486 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: will it has true multitasking capability? Apparently did not mention 487 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: that that is a pretty neat featured to one of 488 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: the things that people have complained about for the iOS 489 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: for most of its existence. Now that it's starting to 490 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: roll out to different people, but it's still as of 491 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 1: this recording not available on the ipaddle, though I should 492 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: have it sometime in November. From what I understand, that's 493 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,359 Speaker 1: a pretty neat feature that's got and it's it's uh, 494 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: you know blackberries uh sphere of influences the enterprise market 495 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: business people, so they are going to be extra sensitive 496 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: to people who are going to be using this for business. 497 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: Although you know, BlackBerry has been waiting in as as 498 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: Apple tries to make inroads with the enterprise market, Blackberries 499 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: trying to reach out to consumers, So this is going 500 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: to have more crossover than past efforts I think, which 501 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: we look tablets, you look at devices like the Curve 502 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: and the Storm and the Pearl that they're very clearly 503 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: aiming at the consumer market. Well, there are a couple 504 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 1: of other os as we should talk about really quickly, okay, 505 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: because we've now we've talked about the q nexs, and 506 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: we've talked about UM, Android and UM. But there are 507 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: other devices that are also out there. There are Windows 508 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: seven tablet devices, most of which haven't gone very far. 509 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: There's one that's that I wanted to mention called the 510 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: Toshiba Libretto. Yeah, I'd heard of it, but I don't 511 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: know much about it. It's a dual screen tablet, so 512 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,719 Speaker 1: it opens up like a book, right, sort of like 513 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,160 Speaker 1: a certain device from Microsoft itself was supposed to. Yeah, 514 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: the rumored Courier is what Poltte is talking about, which 515 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: if you saw the videos for the concept videos for 516 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: the Courier, they looked really cool, and unfortunately the Courier 517 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: got um shoved aside. It did not it did, it 518 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: was not meant to be. But the Toshiba Libretto looks 519 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: a lot like the concept of the Courier. It has 520 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: dual screens. Uh, they're both seven inch screens. It runs 521 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: Windows seven, It has WiFi, and it has webcams in it. Uh. 522 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: It has an Intel Pentium processor, snap Dragon or anything 523 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: like that. Uh. The big problem with the Tshiba Libretto, 524 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: I would say, is the price. It's that that's really 525 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think what the iPad really has taught 526 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: us is that for the tablet form factor, the app 527 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 1: model is enough. You don't necessarily need a device that 528 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: can run quote unquote full blown programs. The apps tend 529 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: to be smaller programs, smaller applications, right, They're not like 530 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: these really advanced ones that you find on on desktop 531 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: computers or laptops. So the Libretto may have more power 532 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: than what's necessary. It may not need all that power 533 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: for what people technically tend to use tablets for. So 534 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: it would surprise me if it takes off, because that's 535 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: expensive and it's going to be more complex. And a 536 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: lot of people have complained that Windows seven seven is 537 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: not the right platform for a touchscreen device. There seemed 538 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: to be some issues with Windows seven and these tablets. Uh. 539 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: The other os I wanted to mention is web os, Palms, 540 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: web Os so you may have heard about a device 541 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: called the HP Slate. Yes, it was supposed to be 542 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: run the Windows operating Yes, it was supposed to run 543 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: Windows seven. And well, the Slate kind of gut pulled 544 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: off the development train. And now there's another device, which 545 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: some are calling the Slate and some are calling the 546 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: Palm Pad, that will be running the web OS operating system. 547 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: HP of course purchased Palm back when Palm looked like 548 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: it was going to go away, and so uh A 549 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,959 Speaker 1: lot of people said, well, the reason why they purchased 550 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: them was probably so that they could enter the tablet 551 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: market using a mobile operating system, much like iOS or Android. Yes, 552 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: it's I think it's worth noting that upon its release, 553 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: the new web Os, which replaced the older Palm os um, 554 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: was received with pretty much from what I saw, a 555 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: critical acclaim. But it was not a commercial success, at 556 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: least not as quickly as they wanted it. The problem 557 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: was that it was an veiled at c e S. 558 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: Everyone went gaga for it at c S, and it 559 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: was another three months before we ever saw anything else 560 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 1: about it. And in those three months, enough of the 561 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: fervor had died down that they couldn't ride that wave, 562 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: and the palm phones didn't make the impact they were 563 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: hoping for. Yeah, So this this device, the Palm Pad, 564 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: is supposedly going to launch in early so early next year. 565 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: We don't know how much that's going to cost either. 566 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: So really I think, I think what's going to boil 567 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: down to can these devices compete against the iPad. It's 568 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: going to boil down to two different things, and it's 569 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: really basic features and cost. Yeah. Yeah, And I think 570 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: that's one of the cost is one of the things 571 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: that keeps the uh that's going to keep the netbook 572 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: market afloat, because netbooks in general have been cheaper than 573 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: um than the tablets, you know, because they don't have 574 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: to have the the touch screens, the capacity of touch 575 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: screens and um. You know, those have been traditionally very 576 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: expensive and you usually don't have as many features even 577 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: as the tablets do. And Tom Merritt and Sarah Lane 578 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: pointed out to me the other day from the recording 579 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: of this podcast anyway, that that really the tablet isn't 580 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: meant to replace any device. It's a supplemental device. So 581 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: you're always going to have a need for some sort 582 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: of computer where it's easier to input data. And the 583 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: tablet is something that you don't may not necessarily need, 584 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: but you'll find a place where it fits in your 585 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: lifestyle and then you wonder how you got along without it. 586 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: But it's not replacing something you already have. So netbooks 587 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: are not gonna go away necessarily, as are you know, 588 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: the other form factors are pretty safe to the question 589 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: is if these tablets are compelling enough for people to 590 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: actually go out and buy them. I think, like I said, 591 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: the Samsung Galaxy Tab has at least a chance, a 592 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: fighting chance of getting some people to adopt it, especially 593 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: people who are already familiar and fond of the Android 594 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: operating system. Uh. Same with BlackBerry, um the others. They're 595 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: gonna have to come out with a really compelling, sleek 596 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: and and uh price efficient model to compete against the iPad. 597 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: And you've got to keep in mind Apple usually updates 598 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: their line of products yearly, So the next spring we 599 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: should see the next if the if the trends follow 600 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: the way Apple has done things in the past, we 601 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: should see new iPads next early next year, I would 602 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: imagine so, or even announcement late. I would say probably 603 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: uh I would say probably early January, around the times 604 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: early January, maybe maybe as late as early February. I 605 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: think February is when they announced the iPad last time. Anyway, 606 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 1: So we'll we'll see. Uh, I'm kind of curious. I 607 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: I gotta admit the Samsung Galaxy Tab had me interested 608 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: enough to actually think, well, depending on how expensive this 609 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: is and whether or not i'd have to have a 610 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: contract if I bought it, maybe i'd be interested in it. 611 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure yet. We'll see. I still haven't convinced 612 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: myself that I have a place for a tablet in 613 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: my life, but that doesn't mean that our listeners don't. 614 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: So I'm curious, listeners, do you have a place for tablet? 615 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: Do you already own a tablet device, whether it's the 616 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: iPad or something else. What's your experience been like, or 617 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: if you're thinking about getting one, what sort of things 618 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: are you looking for within the whole realm of the tablet? 619 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: Give us a give us a shout out. 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