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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young barista goes

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Speaker 1: missing from a coffee shop, But not just any coffee shop.

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Speaker 1: This coffee shop is situated in the middle of a

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Speaker 1: can be any number of businesses. It can be a Starbucks,

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Speaker 1: is she's in the middle of a parking lot and

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Speaker 1: sandwich shop very similar to this when I was in

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Speaker 1: law school. How did nobody see her go missing? Crime

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven with me an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it

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Speaker 1: ashe Wilcot dot com. Bobby Chicone, former special agent FBI

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Speaker 1: screenwriter Criminal Minds and worked on this case in his

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Speaker 1: capacity as an FBI special agent. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho analyst,

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Speaker 1: joining us from Beverly Hills. She's at doctor Bethany Marshall,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director founder of the Cold Case Research Institute,

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Speaker 1: and Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Nicole Parton. I

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Speaker 1: just don't understand how somebody goes missing that's sitting out

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Speaker 1: to Bobby Chicone, a former special agent FBI who actually

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Speaker 1: until it closed that night. Now here's the problem. Happened

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot com instigator reporter at Nicole Pardon, I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about the way the condition that the

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Speaker 1: is not a plastic surgeon. How would a regular person

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Speaker 1: perform a procedure like this, obviously on a dead body.

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Speaker 1: It would be using a sewing needle and thin, thin

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Speaker 1: showing thread. I mean, that's all. It's just like doing surgery.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You haven't so many people that I would open.

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Speaker 1: What did you just say you have or you have

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Speaker 1: not have? Not have not crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys,

432
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Speaker 1: This girl disappears in the middle of a parking lot

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Speaker 1: from a coffee stand. Then this picture emerges of her

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Speaker 1: with her hair and braids and her eyes. Soon shut.

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Speaker 1: The family doesn't know she's dead. They think it's a

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Speaker 1: ransom to bring her home alive. Then a screw up

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Speaker 1: the uses her ATM. Police rush to look at the

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Speaker 1: ATM footage and he's wearing a mask. You can't see

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Speaker 1: his face. To Nicole Pardon, Crimeline dot Com investigative reporter,

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Speaker 1: the outsmarted the ATM. So how did the perp get caught? Well,

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Speaker 1: at this point, authorities know the type of vehicle they're

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Speaker 1: looking for, they know the last transaction of the ATM card,

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Speaker 1: and in a wonderful turn of event, he was actually

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Speaker 1: pulled over in Texas for a traffic violation. Once the card.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy, absolutely what traffic violation is that? Well,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't clear. It seems that he was going over

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Speaker 1: the speed limit for a bit. But then when they

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Speaker 1: pulled him over, inside the vehicle they found the ATM card,

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Speaker 1: the mask, and enough evidence to bring him in. So

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Speaker 1: at the time they pulled him over for the traffic violation,

451
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Speaker 1: they don't know they have a killer. Correct, that's correct. Okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: let me go to Bobby check. Come, Bobby, I want

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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to our friends at Investigation discovery.

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Speaker 1: He's explained to us that Ms. Konig had already been

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Speaker 1: killed when he took that ransom photograph, that he had

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Speaker 1: used a needle and thread to make her eyes appear

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Speaker 1: as though she might still be alive. And keys didn't

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Speaker 1: stop there. He dismembered the body and dropped all of

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Speaker 1: its parts underneath the ice of Lake Madamusca. About an

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Speaker 1: hour north of Anchorage. Then Alaska that you build a

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Speaker 1: shelter around yourself while you ice fish, and so that's

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Speaker 1: what he did. He built a shelter and then he

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Speaker 1: pretended to ice fish while he was weighted down Misconi's

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Speaker 1: body and dropped it to the bottom of the lake.

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Speaker 1: Joining me Bobby Chicone, Special Asian FBI at the time,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Chicone, you were tasked with going out onto that

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Speaker 1: frozen lake and trying to recover Samantha's body. Can I

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Speaker 1: ask you how did you guys figure out that he

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Speaker 1: disposed of her underneath frozen ice. Well, when I got

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Speaker 1: the first call, it was based on information that Keith

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Speaker 1: had provided that he actually told the investigators um that

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Speaker 1: she was under she was at the bottom of that lake,

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Speaker 1: and so we had an initial starting point. He said

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Speaker 1: he had gone out there and posed as an ice fisherman,

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Speaker 1: set up a set up a tent, and as they

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Speaker 1: normally do, they start like little campfires or a little

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Speaker 1: camping stoves, and edit keeple arm or eat some food

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Speaker 1: or drinks. And when he was finished with the several

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Speaker 1: trips that it took to get her body parts out

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Speaker 1: there and into the lake, um he burned a piece

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Speaker 1: of plywood that he had used to drag her out there.

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Speaker 1: I don't hope he it has got on it or not,

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Speaker 1: but he and that when when the initial last weeks,

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Speaker 1: stay trooper went out there when I got there, in

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Speaker 1: form and they dispatched somebody to run up to that lake,

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Speaker 1: and they did find, in fact, a small piece of plywood,

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Speaker 1: half burn that had now been kind of refrozen into

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Speaker 1: the lake surface because it had been, you know, several

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Speaker 1: weeks since she was put there, so the lake had

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Speaker 1: frozen and unfrozen and refrozen, and so that plywood was

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Speaker 1: still sticking out a little bit. So we figured that

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Speaker 1: was the plywood he was talking about. So that's where

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Speaker 1: we began our search. Why did you go and tell

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Speaker 1: me about the recovery of Samantha's body, An eighteen year

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Speaker 1: old girl. So we sat up. There was a great

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Speaker 1: sunny day on that lake. It was blinding sun off

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Speaker 1: off the surface of the ice. We cut several holes

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Speaker 1: in the ice. The ice was about four feet thick.

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Speaker 1: It took a while to cut through that type of ice,

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Speaker 1: and so we had a lot of help. The press

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Speaker 1: showed up shortly after. They were trained with long long

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Speaker 1: range cameras and microphones on us. So we deployed the sonar.

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Speaker 1: We deployed it. After that, we deployed a remote operated

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Speaker 1: vehicle which is like a little mini underwa a robot

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Speaker 1: that has cameras on it. And then and I deployed

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Speaker 1: my divers. One we saw what we were looking for

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Speaker 1: on the cameras of the robot. There were five separate

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Speaker 1: body parts down there on the lake bottom. And under

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Speaker 1: a frozen ice, a lake is crystal clear. The water

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Speaker 1: is crystal clear because all the marine lights has kind

511
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Speaker 1: of gone dormant in a suspended state on the bottom.

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Speaker 1: So the water was very very clear. And the camera

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Speaker 1: from the many robot that we had under the water,

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Speaker 1: I was pretty clear. And you know, I deployed my

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Speaker 1: divers and they had cameras on their helmets. So I

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Speaker 1: watched the entire operation as they as they made their

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Speaker 1: way to Samantha and water back. You know, Bobby, I've

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Speaker 1: thought many times about what you went through as you

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00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: were having your divers bring up one bag after the next,

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Speaker 1: after the next, and you would take the bag knowing

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Speaker 1: it hells Samantha's body parts, this little girl's eighteen years

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Speaker 1: old dismembered body. What was that like in your mind? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, you don't deal with that at the time.

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Speaker 1: And then certainly, this unfortunately our first recovery, and we

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Speaker 1: had recovered children prior, and we had recovered, unfortunately even

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Speaker 1: younger children priorum, some as young at four and five

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Speaker 1: years old. Um, in fact, some of as young as

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Speaker 1: eighteen months old. But that we're all victims. But so

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Speaker 1: you you really put that out of your mind. You

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Speaker 1: focus on the job at hand. But one thing I

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Speaker 1: want to correct Nancy that you know, Keys had made

532
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Speaker 1: the demand of the investigators that we not release the

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Speaker 1: particular detail um that she was dismembered, that she was

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Speaker 1: cut up, and he had reasons for that, and so

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Speaker 1: when we did, You're you're absolutely right. What we would

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Speaker 1: normally do is put each part that we found separately

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Speaker 1: into a separate bag and bring them up in this

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Speaker 1: particular case, because we knew the media was watching us,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't want that detail to emerge, you know,

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Speaker 1: so we we actually I had my divers actually put

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Speaker 1: all of samped into one bag, and we brought her

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Speaker 1: up in one bag to make it look like the

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Speaker 1: body might still be intact, and then we moved that

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Speaker 1: bag quickly into another pop up shelter near the hole

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Speaker 1: in the ice where the medical examiners investor gets with air.

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Speaker 1: That's when we transfer her to the medical Jameiner, I

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Speaker 1: want you to hear from our friend Neil Kolinski, what

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Speaker 1: at ABC, what we learn, what Baby Chico and his

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Speaker 1: team learn about Israel Keys. Listen. He told agents something

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Speaker 1: they've never heard before, that he left kill kits or

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Speaker 1: cashes buried in several states filled with everything he'd need

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Speaker 1: to commit a murder. They were in waterproof containers or

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Speaker 1: five gallon buckets and included guns and different things he

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Speaker 1: could use to dispose of bodies. His strategy to grab

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Speaker 1: people in remote locations like parks, campgrounds, even cemeteries. Every

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Speaker 1: serial killer, including I believe mister Keys, are not crazy.

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Speaker 1: You cannot be that organized and deliberate and fit any

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Speaker 1: legal definition of insanity. We learned that israel Keys got

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Speaker 1: a quote high from killing. To doctor Bethany Marshall, what

560
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Speaker 1: kind of mind Chris crosses the country hiding kill kits

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Speaker 1: in various locations, searching for prey, including in campgrounds and

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Speaker 1: RV parks. What kind of mind is that? Bethany well Nancy.

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Speaker 1: This kind of a mind is motivated by sex and cruelty.

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Speaker 1: Those are the two basic motivations in men. Aggression and

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Speaker 1: sexuality are mediated through the same neural nets. And what

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Speaker 1: that means is that for sociopaths, stadism, sex killing, all

567
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Speaker 1: of those same drives get fused. They're all acted out

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Speaker 1: at once. Serial Killers are very empty individuals. They cannot

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Speaker 1: feel excitement in normal ways, like holding a baby or

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Speaker 1: looking at the sunshine. They can only feel excitement by

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Speaker 1: inflicting cruelty. And their sex drive is enormous, and they

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Speaker 1: spend hours thinking about who they're going to kill, and

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Speaker 1: all those hours driving around and preparing the kill kids.

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Speaker 1: It's like a four play before sex. It's like the

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Speaker 1: the prodromal, or the lead up to this very exciting

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Speaker 1: event in their life, and they spend so much time

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Speaker 1: searching that often they're not prolific, and they're killing because

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Speaker 1: the searching and the ritual life aspect leading up to

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Speaker 1: the killing is more important than the act itself. Here

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Speaker 1: is the good news of this scenario. Israel Keys is dead.

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Speaker 1: We may never know how many people he killed across

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Speaker 1: the country because there's no logical connection, but we do

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Speaker 1: know he is dead. He died behind bars. Good luck

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Speaker 1: with him, Satan. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,