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Yes, all right, Well we 55 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 4: have a huge news day because obviously we're going to 56 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 4: start with updates from the Middle East. President Zelenski was 57 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 4: here in Washington, d C. Yesterday he was meeting with 58 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 4: people at the Capitol. He was meeting with President Biden. 59 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 4: So there are all kinds of updates because right now 60 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 4: House Republicans House Democrats are figuring out and on the 61 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 4: Senate side, how much money and in what sort of 62 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 4: format that money should go towards Ukraine and go towards 63 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: Israel as well. Tesla is in a fascinating union battle 64 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 4: actually with Sweden that is starting to kick off. So 65 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 4: we're going to go through some updates on that. We're 66 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: going to talk about what just the agreement that was 67 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 4: reached just last night at the COP conference in Dubai. 68 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 4: We did find out what COP stands for. 69 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: Yes, stick around and we will tell you what COP 70 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 3: stands for. 71 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to leave you in suspense because actually 72 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 4: we were surprised, but. 73 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: I probably forget by the time we do that segment, 74 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: but they did, they reached a deal not a great one, 75 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: but it's a deal, and we'll talk about that. 76 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 4: And really important updates on the battle over Section seven two. 77 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 4: You see FISA there on your screen. That's a block 78 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 4: where we're going to talk about this real fight that's 79 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 4: happening right now between the intelligence community kind of hawkish 80 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 4: allies in the Senate and in the House. Here in Congress. 81 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 4: I actually don't know what Biden would do. He'd probably 82 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 4: want to keep seven to two. 83 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 3: But we're going to for sure. 84 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: And it's the most effective coalition ever I think put together, 85 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: between the Progressive Caucus and the Freedom Caucus. And it'll 86 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: be a real test of their strength this week whether 87 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: they can deal a blow to mass surveillance. 88 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 4: We'll talk about that, and you know what, that's a 89 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 4: good tease for next week. We have the new chairman 90 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 4: of the Freedom Caucus, Bob good coming on. We expect 91 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 4: to talk to him about Section seven oh two as well. 92 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 4: Let's start with Israel, Bryan, because every day just incredible 93 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 4: new updates, and incredible not in a good sense, incredible 94 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 4: in the sense that you know, we have video we're 95 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 4: actually going to play that looks like straight out of 96 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 4: Call of Duty. 97 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the the news is kind of running 98 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: on a couple of tracks here in Washington. They're talking about, 99 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: you know, the day after the war in Gaza, people 100 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: are just hoping that they can make it one more day, 101 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: as kind of disease and starvation set in, and as 102 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: the as the fighting pushes two million people into tighter 103 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: and tighter confines. And so Joe Biden really kind of 104 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: kicked off this this cycle with some back and forth 105 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: with net Yahoo that we're going to get into. 106 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 3: Let's let's let's play a little bit of the. 107 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: Biden comments that really made news, and then we'll kind 108 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: of decipher these folks. 109 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 4: Were there no Israel, there wouldn't be a Jew in 110 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: the world was safe? 111 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 2: Were there? 112 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 4: And I was a thirty two year old senator and 113 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 4: I wrote on the top of BB I love you, 114 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 4: but I don't agree with the damn thing you had 115 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 4: to say. 116 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: It's about the same today. 117 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 5: I love it. 118 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: The first is Joe Biden's kind of very idealistic, fifty 119 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: year old kind of version of Zionism where he was 120 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: where he says that this Honica celebration, you know, if 121 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't for Israel, you know, there wouldn't be a 122 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: Jew anywhere in the. 123 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: World that was safe. 124 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: You had a lot of Jewish people around the world, 125 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: particularly here in the United States, outrageously offended by that. 126 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: It's an old saying from many decades ago kind of 127 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: lost its balance, and it also feels strange coming from 128 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: the President of the United States, you know, whose job 129 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: is to protect everybody who's in the United States. Feels 130 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: like a're just throwing up of the hands. But it 131 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: goes back to a kind of split in the in 132 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: the kind of global Jewish community after the Holocaust, where 133 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: you had some portion of survivors who say, you know, 134 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: what we need is to double down on Zionism. We 135 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: need a safe haven in Israel. We need to make 136 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 1: we need to declare this estate. We need to do 137 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: everything we can to protect and expand it and allow 138 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: immigration from anywhere in the world. That's the only way 139 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: we're going to be protected. Another faction said, no, we 140 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: need to lean into global justice. And that's why one 141 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: reason you see kind of so many Jewish activists in 142 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: the civil rights movement here in the United States but 143 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: around the world saying the only path forward is through 144 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: this and by creating justice around the world for everybody 145 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: that will also free and liberate us and bring justice 146 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: to the Jewish community as well. And so Biden is 147 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: really leaning in on the former one and saying that 148 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: the no, that's impossible. 149 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 3: The only path forward is Israel. 150 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: Curious for your take on that, But to decipher his 151 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: second point there, that's a story he's told multiple times 152 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: where bb Neetna, who current Prime Minister, was in the 153 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: Foreign Service in the Israeli embassy in the nineteen seventies 154 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: when he met. 155 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: Joe Biden for the first time. It's wild fifty years ago. 156 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Biden signed an eight by eleven photo and he 157 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: wrote on it, BB, I love you, but I don't 158 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: agree with the damn thing you say. And then he 159 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: added he's told that story a couple times in the past. 160 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: What's new is he added this time. That's still the 161 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: same today, and he added it again in a fundraiser later. 162 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: So it is direct criticism. But we're going to talk 163 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: about whether that actually means anything. Anything the president says 164 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: means something because its simple sizes where the United States 165 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: is sitting. What the president does obviously matters more in 166 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: any reaction to either of those. 167 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean exactly what you've been saying is 168 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 4: that you've highlighted some reporting that Biden has been intentional 169 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: about saying what his public posture is part of his 170 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: strategy with net and Yahoo that when you hear what 171 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 4: he's saying publicly, it's part of his private negotiations with 172 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 4: not in Yahoo. So now we know that Biden is 173 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 4: telegraphing different things when and that's obviously not abnormal. But 174 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 4: what I think is abnormal, especially in the relationship between 175 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: the US and Israel, is the level of discomfort that 176 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: the Biden administration has with the Net Yahoo administration at 177 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 4: this point. And I know we're going to talk about 178 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: that more, but that's part of what's incredible about the 179 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 4: daily updates coming out of this conflict is that we 180 00:07:53,440 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 4: have so much invested, like literally invested, financially invested, or 181 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: resources invested. And this in some ways parallels Ukraine, depending 182 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: on you know, if you're a Republican or Democrat at 183 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 4: this point, or what kind of Republican or Democrat you 184 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 4: are at this point. But it's to be on different pages, 185 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 4: and to be on such different pages, and to have 186 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: that increasingly become a public dispute between the Biden administration 187 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 4: and the Yahoo administration is terrifying. 188 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so he zeroed in on that again at 189 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: a fundraiser. If we can put up a two here 190 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: to read this quote, he said, I think he in 191 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: this nut yaw has to change and with this government, 192 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: this government in Israel is making it very difficult for 193 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: him to move. And he went on to say Ben 194 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: Gavie is basically a nut. He's never he's never done. 195 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,599 Speaker 1: He's like, I've known every prime minister since gold In 196 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: my ear, it's true weird that he has. And he's 197 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: saying that this is the most right wing government ever 198 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: and he adds, you know, they don't want anything to 199 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: do with Palestinians. They don't want a too state solution. 200 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: But then, and here's the key point, and this is 201 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: later on. This is right after his his remarks. He says, 202 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: he says, you cannot say there's no Palestinian state at 203 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: all in the future. 204 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 3: And that's going to be the hard part. 205 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: He's telling the Israeli government you cannot say there's no 206 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: Palestinian state at all in the future. Then he says, 207 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: but in the meantime, we're not going to do a 208 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: damn thing other than protect Israel in the process, not 209 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: a single thing. So if you're Israel and you're getting 210 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: these two messages from President Biden, one you cannot keep 211 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: saying that there's no that you're never going to allow 212 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: Palistinian state. And also two, in the meantime, we're going 213 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: to do everything you ask us too. How are you 214 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: going to receive that? 215 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 4: And this is exactly why I think it's terrifying, because again, 216 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 4: you have a situation where we have absolutely no exit strategy, 217 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: because an exit strategy that protects people in Israel and 218 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 4: is humane for people in Gaza is not anywhere near 219 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 4: a consensus point between the Israeli government and see Biden. 220 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: To your point, Ryan gives Yahoo himself a little wiggle 221 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 4: room by saying it's it's the government that net and 222 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 4: Yahoo is dealing with that's pinning net and Yahoo in. 223 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 4: So I think Biden is being very intentional to the 224 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 4: extent that he's capable of intentionality in foreign relations on 225 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 4: his own at this point. But I think that's a 226 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: clearly a strategic move to say, listen, I know those 227 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 4: those extremists in your government, that's your problem. I understand. 228 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 4: I empathize with you, and trying to sort of go 229 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 4: manoamano with Yahou and say, I know you're coming from 230 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 4: and they're making it very difficult for you. Let's be reasonable. 231 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 4: Let's be the reasonable ones here. But when you don't 232 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: have any consensus on that next day plan and you 233 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 4: just say, by the way, we don't even have consensus 234 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 4: on the plan right now, which is to quote eradicate Hamas, 235 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 4: that is not happening. And if you quote eradicate Hamas 236 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: to some degree that you know, Biden says, we want 237 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 4: to draw down this invasion into Gaza by about the 238 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 4: first of the year. Okay, So if that's your strategy, 239 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 4: what does that mean, what does that look like? And 240 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 4: did you just actually create a vacuum, a power vacuum 241 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 4: that is not going to be the pals Palsittian authority 242 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 4: is not going to step into that power vacuum and 243 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 4: they don't even agree on what to do with the 244 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 4: Palestinian authority. 245 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: Right and that so Netnya, who responded with that exact point, 246 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: and Colvin, if we can skip a three for now 247 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: and jump to a four. 248 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: This is a Wall Street. 249 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: Journal right up of Yaho's public public response to Biden. 250 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,599 Speaker 1: He put out a He put out a video in 251 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: Hebrew saying basically, we are not going to allow the 252 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: Palistinian authority UH to come into Gazah. And you know, 253 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: once we've gotten rid of hamas he's a palstatiing authority, 254 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: teaches hate, pays suicide bombers if they blow themselves up 255 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: this and we're not going to go back to the 256 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: mistakes of Oslo, he says. The irony, of course, is 257 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: that the Oslo process is what cemented the de facto 258 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: annexation in creeping rule of the Israeli government over the 259 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: disputed territories, the occupied territories, because the PLO in Oslo 260 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: recognized the State of Israel, but did not get any 261 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: recognition for s state in return. What they got instead 262 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: was kind of just to be recognized as the negotiating 263 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: partner with Israel. But throughout the entire process, Israeli prime 264 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: ministers are very clear that they were not endorsing even 265 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: the idea of a Palestinian state. So it's interesting that 266 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: even Oslo, which was so tilted toward Israel, which left 267 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: us in this current situation with seven hundred and fifty 268 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: thousand Israeli settlers in the West Bank and very little 269 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: hope of ever getting to a Palestinian state absent some 270 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: cataclysmic change. Even that is seen by Nanyahu as kind 271 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: of too too much like because it kind of just 272 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: involved negotiations with Palestinian So he's saying, no, we're not 273 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: even going to allow even the Palestinian authority, which is 274 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: basically just a client of the of Israel, to rule Gaza. 275 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: And that comes at the same time that his communications minister, 276 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: if we can put up this next one things is 277 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: a five and get your reaction to this. So this 278 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: is Nat Yahaw's communication Ministers. He says, we respect it, 279 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: and this is the English translation, but it is pretty close. 280 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: We respect and cherish the President of the United States, 281 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, who went out of his way during the 282 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: most difficult period of the state of Israel. 283 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 3: This is true friendship. But we live here. 284 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: This is our country, the historical estate of our ancestors. 285 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: There will be no Palestinian state here. 286 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: We will never allow another state to be established between 287 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: the Jordan and the Sea. We will never go back 288 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: to Oslo, he said, echoing Yahou There and in the 289 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: words of President Biden, the security of the Jewish people 290 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: is at stake here. Definitely, Yes, a Palestinian state would 291 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: endanger him, thank you, mister President. So just being as 292 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: clear as they ever possibly could that they have no 293 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: intention of ever allowing a Palestinian state, yet claiming sovereignty 294 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: as the liqud platform does, over everything from the river 295 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: to the sea, which is then that those are the 296 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: claimed borders. Basically, if they claim they have sovereignty over 297 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: everything from the river to sea, that is de facto apartheid. 298 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Saying that the people inside this region will never have statehood, 299 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: never have sovereignty, won't have the same rights as the 300 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: Israeli citizens of the state. 301 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's really surreal to see that division 302 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: in particular bubbling to the surface. And I'm going to 303 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 4: read another quote from Biden here. He said, israel security 304 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 4: can rest in the United States. But right now it 305 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 4: has more than the United States. It has the European Union, 306 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 4: it has Europe, it has most of the world supporting it. 307 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 4: But they're starting to lose that support by an indiscriminate 308 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 4: bombing that takes place. That's from the president of the industry. 309 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 3: So what would you make of that? 310 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: That's that's that's I mean it's obvious to me that 311 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: if you look at and we can talk about the 312 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: UN resolution in a moment where they got lost overwhelmingly. 313 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, what did you make of that saying that. 314 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: The Biden actually warning is We're like, we've got you, 315 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: but look out. 316 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 4: I think it's again the word that I land on 317 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 4: here is surreal to hear him saying that, and then 318 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 4: to see net Yaho's communications director tweeting that they're and 319 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 4: net NYA, who himself has said no more to state solution. 320 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 4: And it's kind of interesting to think back on OSLO 321 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: because this is now so far in the rear view 322 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 4: mirror that, you know, whatever you think of the decisions 323 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 4: that led us to October seventh, we're in a situation 324 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 4: now where there's almost a realism to the net and 325 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,359 Speaker 4: Yaho outlook here that's like, well, what is a peaceful coexistence? 326 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 4: There is no legitimate path to peace anymore. This is 327 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 4: you know, after in this you can you can talk 328 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: about the United States policies in the Middle East as 329 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 4: well that have to some degree like really stoked the 330 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 4: flames and really stoked the flames of extremism in the 331 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 4: Middle East in a way that talking about power vacuums. 332 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 4: How long has it been since the Arab Spring? Now, 333 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: I mean, we've seen how this has turned out, and 334 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 4: we now know what if you want to have the 335 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 4: state of Israel from the river to the sea, the 336 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 4: degree of I think violence and the degree of all 337 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 4: of that. And that's exactly what they're saying, by the way, 338 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 4: that there is no two state solution anymore. There's no 339 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 4: peaceful coexistence anymore. And I think that's interesting to kind 340 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 4: of look back on Oslo and say, we're in a 341 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 4: very very different place. That's what this underscores. 342 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: And the Israeli ligned for decades has been there is 343 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: no partner for peace. And in order to make sure 344 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: that that was true, what the Israelis have done over 345 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: the decades is gone. They have assassinated so many of 346 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: the Palestinian leaders who were more moderate and were trying 347 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: to reach a peace deal. 348 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 4: The interest of elevating Hamas, you mean. 349 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: Right, and the function was to elevate Hamas. Even within Hamas, 350 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: there was you know, a very a charismatic kind of 351 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: senior official within Hamas, I forget his name, who was 352 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: stridently opposed kind of to suicide bombings and to attacking civilians. 353 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: There was a huge faction within kind of the Palstine 354 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: Liberation movement, generally Fatah Hamas others who said that it's counterproductive, 355 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, as Talaran said, it's worse than a crime. 356 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: It's a mistake that all of the goodwill of the 357 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: Palestinians had built with the first mostly nonviolent for a 358 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: long time. Intifada was evaporated when they started killing civilians. 359 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: So stop killing civilians is real killed that guy and 360 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: others who were making that same argument, and then they 361 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 1: were able to accurately say, well, look who's left no 362 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: partner for peace anymore, and so therefore we can just 363 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: you know, continue on without any any peace deal. It's 364 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: starting to roll throughout the Middle East. Colvin, we can 365 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: go back to that one that we skipped on eighth 366 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: three ree, which is the houthis Yemen Yemen Houthy's have 367 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: you know they hit another they hit a Nigerian tanker. 368 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: That was they've now said, any any tankers that are 369 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: going near Yemeni waters, which is some of the most 370 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: important in the world, uh that are bound for coming 371 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: from Israel are now you know, clean fair military targets uh. 372 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: They they they put out that kind of dramatic footage 373 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: with a helicopter landing and seizing a ship a week 374 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: or two ago. And the US that now the Houthis 375 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: are about to reach a peace deal with Saudi Arabia 376 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: and the UAE to end this you know, years long war. 377 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: The US, before this crisis in Gaz that broke out, 378 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: had been doing everything it could to try to blow 379 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: up this peace deal because the UE and Saudi have 380 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: lost so badly that the Houthis are you going to 381 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: come out of these peace negotiations in a good place? 382 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: And so. 383 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: The US has been throwing all these monkey rans into 384 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: trying to make it so that they. 385 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 3: Can't reach a deal. 386 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: Now they're saying if they keep attacking tankers that they're 387 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: going to list them as kind of state sponsors of terror. 388 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: And then the number one thing that the Huthies want, 389 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: which is to be able to pay their public servants, 390 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 1: Like that's the big fight, because Saudi Arabia has managed 391 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: to seize basically all of the revenue and of all 392 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: of Yemen's money, and so all of these teachers, government 393 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: workers and others are just working without pay like for 394 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: years now, and So the key thing is they want 395 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: that money like pay our workers in the world reach 396 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: a peace deal, and the US is saying, well, we're 397 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: going to designate you state sponsors of terror, which means 398 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: then you can't get that money because then that has 399 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: all kinds of banking implications, which then the questions will 400 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: then what then the war starts up again, the war 401 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: that they were already losing. 402 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, do you have any confidence that any 403 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: of the people negotiating this are doing any of this 404 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 4: in the interest of peace and the interest of safety. 405 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 4: And this is another thing that the realism, I think, 406 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 4: which I'm sympathetic to at times, gets complicated by not knowing, 407 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 4: Like there's so many hypotheticals involved, like we're going to 408 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 4: take this step at point A, and it's likely to 409 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 4: lead the point B, but we don't know that it's 410 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 4: going to lead to point B. And that takes us 411 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 4: back to what we were just talking about with Israel, 412 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 4: is that like there's this step one, step two process, 413 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 4: and the US and Israel openly do not agree on 414 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 4: what's step two of this extremely expensive, costly and I'm 415 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 4: talking in terms of human life. There's also obviously taxpayer 416 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 4: money involved, but primarily human life, this costly conflict. We 417 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 4: don't even agree we are in world in this and 418 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 4: we don't even agree on step two with the end game. 419 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 4: But we don't actually agree on step one either. We 420 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 4: don't agree on what happens. When Joe Biden says January 421 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 4: first has come around, the Biden administration says January first 422 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 4: has come around quote indiscriminate bombing, that's Biden conceding, by 423 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 4: the way, that's he is in his country is supporting 424 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 4: indiscriminate bombing. That was funding indiscriminate framing. 425 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 426 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I think the interest of the United States 427 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 4: obviously should be peace, the security of people in Israel, 428 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 4: the safety of people in Israel. And that's a thing 429 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 4: that I also find terrifying, is that does anyone believe 430 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: that the steps we're taking right now when you have 431 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 4: the President of the United States condemning quote indiscriminate bombing, 432 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 4: supporting the quote indiscriminate bombing, but also in totally like 433 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 4: it is not a fine line between a two state 434 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 4: solution and a no two state solution like that is 435 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 4: that's not a minor disagreement. That is the single. 436 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 3: Biggest disgress I think state. We don't. 437 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 4: It's the single biggest disagreement that you could possibly have 438 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 4: on this question. And the two countries that are most 439 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 4: responsible for perpetuating this war, for prosecuting this war not 440 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 4: you know, I'm not saying the US and Israel started 441 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 4: the war, but the two countries that are right now 442 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 4: funded and fighting the war don't agree on what the 443 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 4: war is being fought for. 444 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: Right And so that's the geopolitics of the situation. On 445 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: the ground in Gaza, things are deteriorating. Yesterday the New 446 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: York Times we can put up this next one published 447 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: a remarkable editorial from a coal basically the leaders of 448 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: a coalition of human human rights and basically relief organizations 449 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: like these are people whose job it is to go 450 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: to war zones to if there's an earthquake, if there's 451 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: a civil war, if there's a tsunami. You know, these 452 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: are the people whose organizations go there to try to 453 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: clean up the mess that was left either by man 454 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: or by nature. And they're saying, we have never seen 455 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: anything like what we're witnessing now. One of the poignant 456 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: things that I thought that I that I pulled from 457 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: this was the way that their their staff are telling 458 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: them that they can't really leave their house, like so 459 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: that they're nervous because if they leave their house, are 460 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: going to get killed. But then and then they're also 461 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: nervous that if they leave their house, their family might 462 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: get killed without them. 463 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 3: So they're making these decisions. 464 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 1: Do we all stay in the same room so that if, if, 465 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: and when we're killed, we all die together we don't 466 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: have to suffer the sorrow of going on with with 467 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: nobody else. Or do we separate so that somebody can 468 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: survive and that somebody can carry on kind of the 469 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: legacy of this family. Meanwhile, these are the people whose 470 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: job it is to distribute aid aid which isn't getting 471 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,640 Speaker 1: in because of the blockade. The hundreds of trucks were 472 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: needed every single day before October seventh. Now you have 473 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: sometimes one hundred or two hundred getting in, but workers 474 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: can't get to warehouses. 475 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 3: You know, the workers can't distribute it. 476 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: And they said they're very very close to a complete 477 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: breakdown of order. You can imagine, you know, you see 478 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: what happens like firefest Within like two hours, everybody there 479 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: is just like looting the place and going nuts. You know, 480 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: we're two months into this situation where two million people 481 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: on top of each other without access to much food. 482 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: People are talking about half of a meal a day, 483 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: without access to clean wild without access to sanitary bathrooms. 484 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: They warned that diseases, disease and starvation are spreading rapidly. 485 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, speaking of the health concerns, we can put 486 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 4: the next element up on the screen, doctor Teedras of 487 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 4: the World Health Organization, which is really really see as 488 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 4: in the same way that the UN and they. 489 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 3: Think they're hamas they think everybody. 490 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 4: They definitely have to make some interesting ethical questions to 491 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 4: operate in Gaza, which is obviously that we need to 492 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 4: have human rights organizations and humanitarian causes on the ground 493 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 4: in Gaza, and even Israel knows that. But obviously Israel 494 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 4: believes they've made some dubious moral calculations in order to 495 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 4: function in Gaza. So Tedra says that he's extremely worried 496 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 4: about reports of a raid at a hospital in Gaza. 497 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 4: After several days of siege, there are sixty five patients, 498 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 4: according to the Ministry of Health, including several and needing 499 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 4: intensive care. Of forty five medical staff in the hospital. 500 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 4: The hospital is already minimally functional due to acute shortage 501 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 4: as of fuel, water, food, and medical supplies. Then he said, 502 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 4: who urgently calls for the protection of all persons inside 503 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 4: the hospital and calls for an immediate ceasefire and for 504 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 4: sustained humanitarian access to health facilities across the Gaza strip. 505 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 4: We've seen that, you know, on a daily basis. Basically 506 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 4: these like horrifying humanitarian concerns and hospitals and all of 507 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 4: that for more than two months now, and it's not 508 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 4: going anywhere. It's not like there's a point where we're 509 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 4: just not gonna you know, the hospitals are going to 510 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,479 Speaker 4: be fine, They're going to be functioning. We're nowhere near that. 511 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that raid has in the last few 512 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 1: hours has been carried out. Doctor Hosam Abu Sphia said 513 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: there was a strike that hit them, hit their maternity ward, 514 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: killing two people, injuring two women, firing them to be amputated. 515 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: There were I believe it says that the troops, the 516 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: Israeli troops then pulled all men aged sixteen to sixty 517 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: five out of the building. And then CNN ominously said 518 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: this interview was conducted Monday. Then they write CNN was 519 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: unable to reach doctor Alkalott on Tuesday. 520 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 3: Sounds like he also was rounded up. 521 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: There have been very credible, you know, on record accounts 522 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: of torture and beatings at the hands of his Israeli forces. 523 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 3: They've after they've rounded this. 524 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: The men up, beating them in front of you, beating 525 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: you boys, some of them in front of others. So 526 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: it sounds like these medical professionals are as we speak, 527 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, rounded up somewhere undergoing you know, at at 528 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: very best interrogation, at worst beating, beating, in torture, which 529 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: then leaves open the question of what became of the 530 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: patients who were left in this in this hospital, as 531 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: we know that that has not been a priority, as 532 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: we saw with the case of the of the premature 533 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 1: babies who were left to die after assurances were given 534 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: that they would be taken care of. 535 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 4: And just to sort of like to bring the segment 536 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 4: maybe full circle, if you are the people of Israel 537 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 4: and not even talking about the government. Obviously the supplies 538 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 4: to the government too, and you it's even put land aside, 539 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 4: but you're concerned about the safety and security of your 540 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 4: own people. What the hell are you supposed to do? Right? Now, 541 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 4: I just it's it's obviously easy to be here in 542 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 4: d C in a studio, you know, talking about this, 543 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 4: but there's a it's obviously an incredibly difficult conversation to have. 544 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 4: It always has been. It's it's never gotten any easier, 545 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 4: and it's not certainly not easy now. But to have 546 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 4: so much disagreement over what the actual plan is here 547 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 4: as people are dying by the thousands and there are 548 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 4: these these awful series of suffering and by the way, 549 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 4: the body of an Israeli woman was recovered yesterday, a 550 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 4: twenty eight year old woman was recovered in a tunnel 551 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 4: in Gaza yesterday, hostage one of the hostages. 552 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, for more reason that a ceasefire and negotiations to 553 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: release the hostages while they're still alive is paramount and 554 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 1: is just is so quickly pushed to the side. You know, 555 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: you had net Yahoo's ministers saying in the middle of 556 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: these hostage negotiations during the last seasefire, saying, if. 557 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 3: We don't resume this war, we're going to bring the 558 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 3: government down. 559 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: These same ministers at the very end had said we 560 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: need to not we need to be cruel and not 561 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: think over much of the hostages, and again and again 562 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: we hear from Israeli ministers things that we just don't 563 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: kind of absorb here in the United States, the. 564 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 4: UN we should move on. Voted for voted for seas 565 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 4: for not surprising to anyone yesterday, but that was. 566 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: The lop sided vote. Was something else here we put 567 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: this next element up. 568 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that was they took a formal vote on 569 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 4: ceasefire yesterday. And I don't think any of those numbers 570 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 4: are surprising, right. 571 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty three countries around the world voted 572 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: in favor of a ceasefire, twenty three countries abstained, and ten, 573 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: including the United States, voted no. Interestingly, and we're about 574 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: to talk about Ukraine. Ukraine abstained, So the United States 575 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: coalition of no voting countries did not even include Ukraine. 576 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: It's like a Paraguay and like some others who were. 577 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: Like, we don't have any choice, like some you read them, 578 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, they're a country. They're basically just a 579 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: like protectorate of the United States somewhere in the Pacific. 580 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: And so that's that's our coalition at this point. 581 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 4: What's interesting is people probably remember that Israel had been 582 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 4: pressured by the United States and other major powers to 583 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 4: send weapons and munitions and stuff to Ukraine earlier in 584 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 4: that conflict and resisted it and with good obviously, and 585 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 4: they clearly underestimated the threat from Hamas. But that's probably 586 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 4: still weighing very heavily on the mind of Vladimir Zelenski, 587 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 4: and we can get to that. In just a moment. 588 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 4: Ryan flagged this Haretz article that is interesting. This is 589 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 4: the next element up on the screen. The headline here 590 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: is graphic videos and incitement. How the IDF is misleading 591 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 4: Israeli's on telegram in the context of the conversation we 592 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 4: were just having about the way the Israeli government is 593 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 4: prosecuting this war and the end goal of safety and 594 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 4: security of the Israeli people. You say your net in Yahoo, 595 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 4: and your ultimate goal here is not. His goal isn't 596 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 4: to protect the world. His goal is to protect the 597 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 4: Israeli people. Even if that's your goal, what is he 598 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 4: doing in a way that actually is making that goal 599 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 4: more and more likely? This, I think raises some questions 600 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 4: about that. What did you find interesting about the Harezz piece. 601 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: Israeli law allows the military, the IDF to run what 602 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: they call kind of information warfare, psychological warfare abroad. If 603 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: you're trying to influence populations in other countries, you're trying 604 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: to do propaganda basically, like that's allowed. They are not 605 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: allowed to do propaganda inside Israel directed at the Israeli people. 606 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, Haretes busted them at the time running 607 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: this gigantic propaganda operation where they were publishing just like 608 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: horrific scenes of carnage coming out of the twenty fourteen 609 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: Gaza war to show to the Israeli public, like look 610 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: at what we're doing in here. And so according to Haretz, 611 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: this operation here run on telegram which is called seventy 612 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: two Virgin seventy two Virgins uncensored. This is a telegram 613 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: channel is in fact a direct product of the IDF. 614 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: The IDF denied it to Haretz, but Haret stands by 615 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: its reporting. Here at the very end of the article, 616 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: they say they even, I haven't seen this in an 617 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: American article. I like the kind of repetition of it. 618 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: Let me see if I can find it here. And 619 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: this is the final article of the piece. It says 620 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: in a statement, the IDF spokesperson's unit said seventy two 621 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: Virgins is not operated on the IDF's behalf. If there 622 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: was any connection by soldiers or other parties connected to 623 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: the IDF with the page or its operation, this was 624 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: done without approval and without authority unquote. However, Haretz reports 625 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: as mentioned a senior military official confirmed that the channel 626 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: was systematically operated by IDF personnel. And we can put 627 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: up some just images of kind of what is being produced, 628 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: but your imagination doesn't have to go too far. They 629 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: were talking about as you're seeing there, you know, people 630 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: being dragged through the streets, one Palestinian getting run over 631 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: multiple times kind of by a jeep. You know, the 632 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: flattening of buildings, and coupled with the most racist, over 633 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: the top type of kind of language directed at the 634 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: victim of this that you could possibly imagine. And this 635 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: goes back to your question earlier, where you were saying, 636 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: what is Israel going to do to keep its people safe? 637 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: Rather than answering that question, what a lot of Israel 638 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: politicians seem to be doing is what are they going 639 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: to do to kind of make the public who is 640 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: braying for revenge feel like they're getting it? And this 641 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: is one of those things just putting up just this 642 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: horrific kind of a combat and a lot of it 643 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: isn't even combat porn. There's this mutilation porn of human beings. 644 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: To then say, look, you wanted revenge, We're giving you revenge, 645 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: and forget about all of our failures leading up to 646 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: October seventh. 647 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, there was an interesting point when Biden, this was 648 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago, he was calling for a ceasefire, 649 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 4: and there were some people on the left in Israel 650 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 4: who were really upset by that and said, you know what, 651 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 4: was Ben Giverer saying at that point something like I'll 652 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 4: throw the government into chaos, something like that, I'll bring 653 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 4: down the government something like that over the any agreement 654 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 4: towards a ceasefire, and some people on the left, I'm 655 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 4: not saying everybody, but I'm saying there were people on 656 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 4: the left saying that we're with Bengevier. We don't feel 657 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 4: safe if there's a ceasefire. We don't feel as though 658 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 4: the appropriate measures towards protecting us will have been taken 659 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 4: if at that point a few weeks ago there was 660 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 4: a ceasefire. And that's really interesting. I think that's actually 661 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 4: a really interesting kind of contrast with the way some 662 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 4: people on the left here have talked about the conflict, 663 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 4: but it doesn't make those questions any less important about 664 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 4: whether a ceasefire versus a continued sort of what a 665 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 4: Joe Biden said, qute indiscriminate bombing in Gaza is making 666 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 4: people any more or less safe. And that's as we 667 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 4: were talking about this in the last segment. These questions, 668 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 4: when you're engaged in kind of real politic about hypotheticals, 669 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 4: become impossible, and that makes it really really hard for 670 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 4: Yahoo to say that pushing this incursion into Gaza into 671 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 4: January is making the people of Visraal anymore safe. You 672 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 4: sort of need evidence, and I think that's where Ryan, 673 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 4: to your point, they're relying on some of this to 674 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 4: give them cover. They're relying on some of us to 675 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 4: give them sort of ongoing justification to augment what they're 676 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 4: saying needs to happen in Gaza. And you know, good 677 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 4: on Heratz for reporting this out and for kind. 678 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 3: Of scooping this. 679 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the propaganda war is going back and forth 680 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 1: between Hamas and the IDF. Hamas from the very beginning 681 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: was putting out these kind of slick hype videos followed 682 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: by a lot of kind of very explicit videos of 683 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: direct combat now followed the IDF, as the IDF was 684 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: then getting criticized because it put out, you know, it 685 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,880 Speaker 1: put out put out videos of people like just shooting 686 00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: in a school and it wasn't clear that there was 687 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: anything else going on. Put out all those videos of 688 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: the shirtless men, many of whom were then immediately identified 689 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: as civilians, And so now they're starting to put out 690 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: videos of actual combat where it's very clear, Okay, there 691 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: is now we know there's combat going on. 692 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 3: Casualties numbers are coming out of there. 693 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: But the IDF is now countering with some of that 694 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: combat footage, some of it really quite something and nothing 695 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: like we've really seen on a kind of. 696 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 3: Global level ever. 697 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 4: And I was gonna say, again, from the real politique perspective, 698 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 4: propaganda is, you know, I think it's obviously always been 699 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 4: a part of that, like for longer than we even 700 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 4: have records. Rapaganda is a part of war, but it's 701 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 4: very I think we're not used to in the twenty 702 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 4: first century yet. I think we're not used to it 703 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 4: in the era of social media yet. And some of 704 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 4: what the IDEF has been putting out has looked really 705 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 4: ham fisted and just also odd. It's looked really just weird. 706 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 4: And again that's easy to say from here in DC 707 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 4: and from the West, but it's it's just a it's 708 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 4: a very strange thing and it seemed clumsy, I guess 709 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 4: over the course the last couple of months. 710 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Colvin, I don't know. 711 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: Do we have a twelve that's if people are curious 712 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: about the actual countries and how they voted. Oh, yeah, 713 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: there it is, so you can just pause on that 714 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: and kind of scroll through there if you're curious. 715 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 3: But from Holal flow are front there you go. 716 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:33,680 Speaker 1: So we Papa, New Guinea, Paraguay, Micronesia, Nahru, Liberia, Guatemala, Israel, 717 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: like those, Austria. Yep, those are basically the countries that's 718 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,280 Speaker 1: stuck with the United States. 719 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 4: Abstentions from some major countries as well. 720 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 5: You see their Germany, the UK, right, Yeah, the UK 721 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 5: asties is a real blow to the United States Argentina 722 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 5: coalition to continue killing it's shrinking. 723 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 4: So it's it's the Biden. This is if you're if 724 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 4: you're Joe Biden, you're looking at these numbers right now. Again, 725 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 4: this is actually not that unusual for how the UN 726 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 4: votes in regards to Israel. I mean, it's obviously pressure, 727 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 4: although you have UK Germany, Italy abstaining. But this is 728 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 4: not surprising to anyone whatsoever. I'm sure it didn't come 729 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 4: as any type of shock to the Biden administration. But 730 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 4: that ongoing split between Biden and Yahoo makes these numbers 731 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 4: all the more worse, because Biden then has to defend 732 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 4: something he clearly no longer wants to defend. 733 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: Voladimir Zelenski was in Washington yesterday meeting with Senators and 734 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 1: also meeting with representatives of the military industrial complex, thanking 735 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: them for their work and leading with members of Congress 736 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: to keep the aid flowing less the entire project collapse. 737 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 3: We can put up this first image. 738 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 6: Here we go, Eric Williams pro doctor mean, yeah, well, 739 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 6: we're thankful that we have SASH friends. 740 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 5: I've just signed another two hundred million dollar draw down 741 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 5: to the Department of Defense for Ukraine and that'll be 742 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:26,240 Speaker 5: coming quickly. 743 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 2: Thank you much. 744 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 4: Now, if you were just listening to that, you heard 745 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,840 Speaker 4: the robust White House fire crackling in the background. But 746 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 4: that's quite a nice touch, Ryan, that was President. So 747 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 4: if you're again, if you're listening, what you saw was 748 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,720 Speaker 4: Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell walking through the capital with Vladimir 749 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,319 Speaker 4: Dea Zelenski, different senators, members of Congress swarming him like 750 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 4: their backstage at a Jonas Brothers concert. Basically is what 751 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 4: it looks like. And Schumer said something like, we had 752 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 4: a quote very good and productive meeting. Then Zelensky appeared 753 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 4: to have a pretty good meeting with President Biden yesterday. 754 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 4: Well really didn't face tough questions while he was here, 755 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 4: at least not publicly. Ryan. But on the next point, 756 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,400 Speaker 4: House speaker Mike Johnson, who Ryan and I will we 757 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 4: promised to continue our weekly updates as to whether he 758 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 4: is a real person, and we can re up our 759 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 4: confirmation that he continues to be real despite having the 760 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 4: most generic white man name imaginable. Mike Johnson, let's actually. 761 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,319 Speaker 3: A white man necessarily middle It's just. 762 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it is just an American name. You're right, 763 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 4: Thank you for calling me on my non inclusive language. 764 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 3: Here's here's my Spencer Johnson. 765 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 4: It's not Spencer Johnson. But what we're going to roll 766 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,880 Speaker 4: is this tape here, and bear in mind that the 767 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,240 Speaker 4: House has very little time left to fund the government 768 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 4: and is bitterly fighting over all kinds of different goodies 769 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 4: in Ukraine is obviously on the table. Here's what Speaker 770 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 4: Mike Johnson said yesterday. 771 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 7: We need a clear articulation of the strategy to allow 772 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 7: Ukraine to win, and thus far their responses have been insufficient. 773 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,240 Speaker 7: They have not provided us the clarity and the detail 774 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 7: that we requested over and over since literally twenty four 775 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 7: hours after I was handed the gavel as Speaker of 776 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 7: the House. 777 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 3: And so what the. 778 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 7: Biden administration seems to be asking for is billions of 779 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 7: additional dollars with no appropriate oversight, no clear strategy to win, 780 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 7: and none of the answers that I think the American 781 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:25,879 Speaker 7: people are owed. 782 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 8: President Zelensky made it so clear how he needs help, 783 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 8: but if he gets the help, he can win this war. 784 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,759 Speaker 8: And he outlined in some great detail a the kind 785 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 8: of help he needs and how it will help him win. 786 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 8: Even many of our Republican colleagues talked about we are 787 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 8: winning this war and if we get the help that 788 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 8: if he gets the help he needs, he will win. 789 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 6: Right. 790 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 4: Okay, so that was obviously Chuckie Schumer. But what's so 791 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 4: funny there is when he says, even my Republican colleagues, 792 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 4: he's just talking about Mitch McConnell. Even these even Mitch 793 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 4: and even you know, because. 794 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: We explain to people how far out on a limb 795 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,759 Speaker 1: Mitch is related to the rest of his conference on this, 796 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: or at least a big faction of the conference he said. 797 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,320 Speaker 4: He has said, this is an almost amazingly like impossible quote, 798 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 4: but he has really said that it's the most important 799 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 4: thing that they're doing right now is funding Ukraine, and 800 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,439 Speaker 4: that's for the domestic This is not a domestic hot war. 801 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 4: This is obviously on another continent. It's not to downplay 802 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 4: the importance of it. I think it obviously does have 803 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 4: implications for the United States. But for the Senate Minority 804 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,399 Speaker 4: Leader Mitch McConnell to say that when there's so much 805 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 4: suffering and business to be taken care of in the 806 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 4: United States, that is how far out on a limb 807 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,799 Speaker 4: he is. And it's becoming increasingly problematic with about ten 808 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,800 Speaker 4: Republican senators, so you know they're ard. The Senate is 809 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 4: almost completely split, so ten isn't a huge block, but 810 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 4: it's enough to cause serious problems for Mitch McConnell, especially 811 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 4: because you have about ten senators who are increasingly aligned 812 00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 4: with what Mike Johnson just said. There's a huge contract 813 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 4: between what Mike Johnson said on He has yet to 814 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 4: hear quote a clear articulation of strategy. This is a 815 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,760 Speaker 4: fairly establishment Republican saying that Kevin McCarthy had similar concerns 816 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 4: about Ukraine. He really made it possible for the Mike 817 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 4: Johnson's of the world to start publicly expressing their concerns 818 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 4: about Ukraine when he said we don't want a blank 819 00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,480 Speaker 4: check about a year ago, and obviously from a strategic standpoint, 820 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 4: that was an olive branch to the Freedom Caucus and 821 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,319 Speaker 4: maybe kept them at bay, kept the Matt Gatess at 822 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,000 Speaker 4: bay for another six months something like that. So mission accomplished. 823 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,920 Speaker 3: Kind of true. Haven't heard of him lately. 824 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: The big news out of the White House was that 825 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 1: they're open to this hardline kind of their immigration proposal 826 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: border proposal that Republicans have saying. Republicans have said, look, 827 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: you want Ukraine money, Yes you can have it, but 828 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: to get it, you have to do our bill on 829 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: the border, not like some compromise immigration yeah plan, but 830 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: basically you have to just rubber stamp our bill, and the 831 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: White House was signaling yesterday that they're actually open to that. 832 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 3: What did you make of that? 833 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's always been I actually think we've talked about 834 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 4: this for weeks. If there will be any compromise struck 835 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,720 Speaker 4: before the end of the year, and as this funding 836 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 4: is on the table, it's going to be over immigration, 837 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 4: I would have zero optimism because Republicans have no leverage. 838 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 4: I'm fairly supportive of HR two, that's the bill that 839 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 4: they're talking about, which would basically redo the asylum system here, 840 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 4: which is at the heart of a lot of the 841 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,280 Speaker 4: problems that are happening at the border and are happening 842 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 4: in South and Central America. But that said, the reason 843 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 4: the White House wants to negotiate with it is because 844 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 4: they know Republicans have basically no leverage. And that's where 845 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,319 Speaker 4: the Freedom Caucus comes in and is going to like 846 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 4: the odds that all of this gets completely torpedoed and 847 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 4: Speaker Mike Johnson is out on his butt in a 848 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,320 Speaker 4: couple of weeks are honestly really high, because what Republicans 849 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 4: don't want to do is allow Biden to say he 850 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 4: took tough steps to control the border because he negotiated 851 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 4: with Republicans on HR two and sent more or funding 852 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 4: to ICE and CBP and sent more funding to the border, 853 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,360 Speaker 4: drones and all of that stuff, which is part of 854 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 4: HR two. And so it allows him to compromise and 855 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 4: say I negotiated to pass part of this bipartisan bill. 856 00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 4: If he doesn't touch the asylum situation, it basically doesn't matter. 857 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,280 Speaker 4: You can fund the border as much as you want, 858 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter if you don't reform that central part 859 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,600 Speaker 4: of it. And so that's what's really a problem for 860 00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 4: Mike Johnson. And when Chuck Schumer said, quote that Zelensky 861 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,760 Speaker 4: provided quote kind of the kind of help he needs, 862 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 4: he described the quote kind of help he needs to 863 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 4: win the war. That's a huge contrast with Mike Johnson 864 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 4: saying there was no clear articulation of strategy. So these 865 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 4: are some real sticking points going ahead in the next 866 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 4: couple of weeks. 867 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,360 Speaker 1: And this is where we get to the weird incentives 868 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: that our political system produces. Because on the one hand, 869 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,400 Speaker 1: Republicans want border security like that's they've been running on 870 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 1: the wall, built the wall, that's 'es central to their 871 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: whole thing. 872 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 3: At the same time, mass numbers of. 873 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,000 Speaker 1: Migrants at the border and chaos at the border is 874 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: a political as they see it, a political gift to them, 875 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: like that's good for them. 876 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,759 Speaker 3: So it reminds me. 877 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: Of that saying, you know, it's very difficult to convince 878 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 1: somebody of something, you know, if their paycheck depends on 879 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: not understanding it. 880 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,640 Speaker 3: It's very difficult to get. 881 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: A political party to solve something if support for them 882 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: depends on them not solving the issue. On the flip side, 883 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: Democrats constantly tell their base that they're not for these 884 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,879 Speaker 1: hardline type migration policies, but they would like nothing more 885 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: than to have the Republicans kind of force their hands 886 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: to do a crackdown so that they don't have to 887 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: think about it anymore. 888 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. It's weird though, because there's part of the Republican 889 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 4: argument is that allowing you know, this this unstanched flow 890 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,239 Speaker 4: into the country is good for Democrats because you know, 891 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 4: everyone who when they're when they're natural, everyone is just 892 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 4: going to vote Democrat. Like there are just a. 893 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 3: Publicly believe when they start looking at their own. 894 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: Polling numbers like oh wait, yeah, we actually can win 895 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,839 Speaker 1: these these folks votes. 896 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,319 Speaker 4: The Rio Grand Valley yeah, absolutely, it. 897 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 3: Doesn't seem to register. 898 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,759 Speaker 1: No, it's like this gigantic democratic scheme to let in 899 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 1: all of these brown people who then end up voting Republican. 900 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, what kind of democratic scheme is that. 901 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 4: Well maybe after like ten years, but yes, yeah, they 902 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 4: can't vote for ten years anyway. No, I mean, well, 903 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,359 Speaker 4: but that's the problem, And I mean I think that's 904 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,279 Speaker 4: why these it's not necessary, like HR two is not 905 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 4: necessarily a hard line. It is in that it would 906 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,400 Speaker 4: make it really hard for people with dubious asylum claims 907 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 4: to come here, live in sanctuary cities like in the Shadows, 908 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,799 Speaker 4: and maybe never have a path to naturalization. I think 909 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 4: that's what's so sad about a lot of this is 910 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,720 Speaker 4: that unless and some of them bank on this, Unless 911 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,359 Speaker 4: there's huge reforms that broaden what an asylum claim is, 912 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 4: are broad in what a legitimate refugee claim is. In 913 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,839 Speaker 4: the United States, there's not a path to naturalization for 914 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,680 Speaker 4: a lot of people who are fundamentally and admittedly they'll 915 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 4: tell you this economic migrants. That's not the same as asylum. 916 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 4: These are two different categories, and that's what HR two 917 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,719 Speaker 4: is trying to deal with is kind of streamlining what 918 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,920 Speaker 4: constitutes asylum, so that you don't have people coming here 919 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 4: and you're going to San Francisco and just trying to 920 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 4: stay there until the law changes and just straight by 921 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 4: and just trying to get by living in pretty sad conditions. 922 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,200 Speaker 4: And so the question of what's hardline anymore, I don't 923 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,600 Speaker 4: even know. After how many years of a failled immigration. 924 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,680 Speaker 1: Policy, I'm surprised that since they're combining immigration and Ukraine here, 925 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,319 Speaker 1: I'm surprised that none of the senators have done the 926 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,920 Speaker 1: most cynical thing yet, which is say we'll just draft 927 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: them and send them over to Ukraine and train them 928 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: and put them in the front lines, and then after 929 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 1: they fight for the US over and Ukraine, they can 930 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,800 Speaker 1: come back here. Because this goes to a little he's 931 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: from Eric Watson here, if we can put up this 932 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 1: next element, Zelenski told senators that Ukraine is considering description 933 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:05,720 Speaker 1: of men over forty to bolster frontline troops or Senator 934 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:11,320 Speaker 1: that's from Senator Wicker as a man over forty like WHOA, Yes, 935 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 1: I thought I missed my window where I was going 936 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,520 Speaker 1: to get drafted and to go killing, to go kill 937 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: somebody or get killed. But this goes to the a 938 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: fundamental problem that Ukraine has, which is, you know, they've 939 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: something like seven hundred thousand people can check the exact 940 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:35,920 Speaker 1: stat military age men have left Ukraine, yes, and one 941 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: hundred thousand plus have been killed, many more wounded. You 942 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,800 Speaker 1: can only fight for so long, and so we could 943 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,640 Speaker 1: send you know, military hardware and weapons over there endlessly, 944 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,240 Speaker 1: but at some point they start running out of people, 945 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,680 Speaker 1: whereas Russia does not run. Even if you take the 946 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,759 Speaker 1: US weeks this week at face value and say that 947 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,760 Speaker 1: Russia has lost three hundred thousand plus troops of something 948 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,160 Speaker 1: like an army of three hundred fifty thousand to start with, 949 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,760 Speaker 1: they've done going through a mobilization that is bringing hundreds 950 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,640 Speaker 1: of thousands of more. It's just a look at the map. 951 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,840 Speaker 1: It's just a much bigger country. And so now if 952 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: they're going to have to move to people over forty than. 953 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 4: What, Yeah, and that brings up a hugely I think 954 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,359 Speaker 4: it should just a pathetic question as to whether the 955 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 4: will of Mitch McConnell and Chuck Schumer and elite politicians 956 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,839 Speaker 4: in DC to wage this war is more powerful here 957 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 4: than it is among the Ukrainian people. When you start 958 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,799 Speaker 4: talking about scriptures of men over right. 959 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,719 Speaker 1: Obviously, there are many who are like deeply committed to 960 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,719 Speaker 1: the fight see it as existential to them. 961 00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 962 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 1: Obviously, if you have to start conscripting people over forty's 963 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: it's not enough. 964 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 4: Yes too. Yeah, when the United States cares so much 965 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 4: about the contested territory in the Dambas that they are 966 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,319 Speaker 4: funding a government that is conscripting men over the age 967 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,960 Speaker 4: of forty, you really have to ask that question as 968 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,080 Speaker 4: to whether this is more important to Mitch McConnell than 969 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 4: it is to the majority of the Ukrainian people. I 970 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 4: think that is a very good point. There's a lot 971 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,680 Speaker 4: of support in Ukraine for the war, there's no question 972 00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,839 Speaker 4: about that. But at the same time, we are how 973 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 4: many years into it at this point, and the levels 974 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,920 Speaker 4: that we know of death, yeah, two years in February. 975 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,920 Speaker 4: The levels that we know of death right now are staggering. 976 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,600 Speaker 4: I mean, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people 977 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 4: who have died over the last couple of years. At 978 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,920 Speaker 4: a certain point, you feel that much more acutely in 979 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,440 Speaker 4: Ukraine than you do in the United States, and that 980 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:48,279 Speaker 4: is a that is I think a very kind of 981 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,760 Speaker 4: pathetic contrast and will be brought out more going forward. 982 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: Fascinating clash in the EU in Sweden in particular, between 983 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,120 Speaker 1: the kind of Tesla's anti union model we can put 984 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,719 Speaker 1: this up here, which relies on non union labor to 985 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:13,400 Speaker 1: build Tesla's versus the very strong industrial unions of Europe 986 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 1: who are now engaged in they've kind of there's a 987 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 1: very kind of small, relatively small fight, kind of one 988 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,080 Speaker 1: hundred I think it's one hundred and thirty four metal 989 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,440 Speaker 1: workers we're not even putting together, necessarily not working in 990 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 1: the Tesla plant, but they're working with Tesla Mechanics. 991 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:31,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and. 992 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 1: They they in collaboration with unions around the country, are 993 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,160 Speaker 1: trying to shut Tesla down to force them into bargaining. 994 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,919 Speaker 4: And across the EU you have these like you're saying 995 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 4: it rippled into Danish transport workers and that's the big 996 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,880 Speaker 4: news this week, saying in solidarity with the Swedish mechanics 997 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,160 Speaker 4: is about one hundred and thirty of them, which isn't 998 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,279 Speaker 4: much in the grand scheme of Tesla's operations. They're not 999 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 4: unl loading Tesla's like, they're not taking them off of ships, 1000 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 4: they're not going to ship them any more. In solidarity 1001 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 4: with the Swedish workers that have been on strike for 1002 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:08,719 Speaker 4: about a month now. 1003 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeap oh, and let's pause for a little bit of 1004 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,400 Speaker 1: like labor history and theory here, which. 1005 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,480 Speaker 4: Because I was hoping you would, because that's a part 1006 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,640 Speaker 4: of why I suggested. 1007 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:17,600 Speaker 3: We do this. 1008 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm glad one of these articles did make 1009 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,920 Speaker 1: the point which is so key for people to understand 1010 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: kind of labor politics. They write, Unlike many other European countries, 1011 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: Sweden has no legally enforced the minimum wage and little 1012 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,200 Speaker 1: in the way of statutory labor market regulation. The very 1013 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 1: beginning of the labor market movement in like the nineteenth 1014 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,279 Speaker 1: century here in the United States, the labor movement was 1015 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,759 Speaker 1: stridently opposed to minimum wages and to other kind of regulators. No, 1016 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,480 Speaker 1: there were four regulations against child labor and things like that. 1017 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,280 Speaker 3: But they live, but they did not write. 1018 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,840 Speaker 1: But they did not want the state to come in 1019 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: and set a minimum wage because from their perspective, what 1020 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,239 Speaker 1: the state giveth, the state can take it away, and 1021 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,920 Speaker 1: it would be better to build mass worker power and 1022 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: just set wages and say, like, it doesn't matter what 1023 00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: the state says, you have to pay us. 1024 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,600 Speaker 3: This is what we want, and you don't have a choice. 1025 00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,160 Speaker 1: You're paying us as we see what your profit numbers are, 1026 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,920 Speaker 1: we see what you can pay, and you know you're 1027 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,399 Speaker 1: going to get a little bit of a profit. We're 1028 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 1: going to and work, but we who are providing the 1029 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,000 Speaker 1: value are going to get are going to get the 1030 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:26,360 Speaker 1: rest of it. And so that has prevailed in Sweden 1031 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 1: because Sweden has such strong industrial unions. They're like, don't 1032 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,920 Speaker 1: worry about a minimum wage. So then a tesla comes 1033 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,160 Speaker 1: in and they're like, oh, no minimum wage. Interesting, Okay, 1034 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,080 Speaker 1: let's let's see what we can get away with here. 1035 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,480 Speaker 1: And you can see why that is a threat to 1036 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,000 Speaker 1: the entire system. And so the unions have to come 1037 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,480 Speaker 1: in and say, I don't care if it's one hundred 1038 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 1: and thirty four workers, like, you're paying the prevailing wage. 1039 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: If you don't, we're shutting you down. And pretty much 1040 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,879 Speaker 1: across Sweden there's support for this because you the entire 1041 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: kind of culture under stands that their. 1042 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 3: Prosperity depends on this arrangement. 1043 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,680 Speaker 1: Even as they kind of sweetened and drifting recently into 1044 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:16,279 Speaker 1: right wing territory, there's still this broad support for you know, 1045 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 1: making sure that you can make a middle class wage 1046 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,400 Speaker 1: at a typical job in Sweden. 1047 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,440 Speaker 4: And that's why this is such a fascinating class. We 1048 00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,680 Speaker 4: can put the Jacobin article up on the screen. This 1049 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,240 Speaker 4: was a really I highly recommend reading this article because 1050 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,080 Speaker 4: I think it outlines the stakes globally really well. In 1051 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,840 Speaker 4: the stakes for actually one of the biggest companies in 1052 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 4: the world at this point, they're right. On one side 1053 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,960 Speaker 4: is Tesla, by far the world's most valued automaker, currently 1054 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,880 Speaker 4: valued higher than the next nine car companies combined. I 1055 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,200 Speaker 4: think it is so important to remember that about Tesla's 1056 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,520 Speaker 4: you know, it's the cyber truck, and Elon and x It's, 1057 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,880 Speaker 4: you know, become sort of a punching bag. But in 1058 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,480 Speaker 4: terms of car companies, this is enormously, enormously powerful. It 1059 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,440 Speaker 4: has one hundred and thirty thousand workers, jack up and 1060 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 4: continues the two top best selling EV models. On the 1061 00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,719 Speaker 4: other side is the Swedish Metal Workers Union, a union 1062 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,000 Speaker 4: with two hundred and thirty thousand members, organizing eighty percent 1063 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,280 Speaker 4: of all workers in its sectors, with a large membership 1064 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,840 Speaker 4: that has not taken party in many strikes. The union 1065 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,640 Speaker 4: has amassed a war chest of about one billion dollars 1066 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,360 Speaker 4: and it's able to pay striking workers one hundred and 1067 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,319 Speaker 4: thirty percent of their salary. So this already has been 1068 00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,560 Speaker 4: going on since October. The strike has already been going 1069 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,839 Speaker 4: on since October. It has rippled into other countries. It's 1070 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,080 Speaker 4: rippled into electricians and dock workers and jacobin ads. If 1071 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,600 Speaker 4: either side caves, it will have profound impacts across Sweden. 1072 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,560 Speaker 4: If the unions lose, it might spell the end of 1073 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:40,040 Speaker 4: the Swedish norm based labor market system of high unionization rates, 1074 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,560 Speaker 4: sectoral bargaining and few regulations. If Tesla uses, it will 1075 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,399 Speaker 4: be the If Tesla loses, it will be the first 1076 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,560 Speaker 4: union with which the company has been forced to negotiate. 1077 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,600 Speaker 4: So there you have one of the most powerful car companies, 1078 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,160 Speaker 4: one of the most high valued car companies in the world, 1079 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 4: potentially having a serious threat to its non union business 1080 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,840 Speaker 4: model because of one hundred and thirty workers in Sweden 1081 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:06,719 Speaker 4: who have workers around the EU striking in solidarity with them, 1082 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 4: and TUSLA refusing to negotiate. Ryan, I actually think the 1083 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,280 Speaker 4: most likely outcome here, and you've covered this more closely 1084 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,640 Speaker 4: than I have for years, so you I'm curious what 1085 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,440 Speaker 4: you think. I think Elon is just going to pull 1086 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,440 Speaker 4: out of Sweden. 1087 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,920 Speaker 1: Oh straight up pull out of Sweden, rather than because 1088 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to set a precedent that. 1089 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,360 Speaker 3: I don't know. 1090 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think this depends on it depends on 1091 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,040 Speaker 1: how it depends on how useful Sweden, you know, the 1092 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 1: Swedish production is to his supply chain in Europe, and 1093 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,320 Speaker 1: how important that is. I think you could, if you're Elon, 1094 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,040 Speaker 1: you know, rationalize it and be like. 1095 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 3: Look, it's Sweden. 1096 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,080 Speaker 1: Of course we're in a union, like like okay, but 1097 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,200 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you here, you know, in the 1098 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,040 Speaker 1: United States need to be in a union. And I 1099 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,680 Speaker 1: think he's I appreciated his one remark that he made 1100 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,080 Speaker 1: about unionization here in the United States. 1101 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,040 Speaker 3: He said, if we wind up with a union, we 1102 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:56,600 Speaker 3: deserved it. 1103 00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,600 Speaker 1: And one of the powers in the positive elements of 1104 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,160 Speaker 1: the union movement is to put pressure on bosses. 1105 00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,160 Speaker 4: He raised salaries like. 1106 00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 3: Elon Musk right exactly. 1107 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,320 Speaker 1: In fact, in some ways, the best the best situation. 1108 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,640 Speaker 1: If let's say you're at you're never going to get this, 1109 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,880 Speaker 1: but let's say you get to ninety percent union density 1110 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:21,120 Speaker 1: in the auto industry. Oftentimes the people who are best 1111 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,080 Speaker 1: off are that are the other ten percent because the 1112 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,160 Speaker 1: bosses are so scared of getting of them getting unionized 1113 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,400 Speaker 1: that they push salaries even pay even higher. Now, the 1114 00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,400 Speaker 1: unions are good at protecting jobs as well, so that 1115 00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: you know, you can't be you know, arbitrarily disciplined and 1116 00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: you know, otherwise cracked down upon. 1117 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:40,800 Speaker 3: So that's different. 1118 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,440 Speaker 1: But when it comes to just wages and kind of benefits, 1119 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,320 Speaker 1: the you know, the pressure of unions pushes them up. 1120 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,000 Speaker 1: You saw Toyota Honda after the uaw's big deal. You know, quickly, 1121 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, reach out to their workers and be like, hey, 1122 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,480 Speaker 1: here's a little extra because as Sean Fain told me 1123 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,240 Speaker 1: in an interview I did for my podcast, that they're 1124 00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 1: just getting a deluge of messages from auto workers at 1125 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:08,080 Speaker 1: non union plants saying like, please come in and organize 1126 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,280 Speaker 1: our plant. Yes, and that in the past had been 1127 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,800 Speaker 1: the big hurdle that they would go to a plant 1128 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: and they'd be outside of it, going to the grocery stores, 1129 00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,560 Speaker 1: going to the bars, trying to meet workers that they 1130 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,720 Speaker 1: could then talk into like being allies of theirs on 1131 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,000 Speaker 1: the inside, rather than workers just organically and reaching out 1132 00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,000 Speaker 1: and saying, please come in and unionize us and that's 1133 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,360 Speaker 1: the difference between kind of a tight labor market and 1134 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 1: a loose one. 1135 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,680 Speaker 4: And to the actually your point about Elon and Sweden, 1136 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,680 Speaker 4: I mean, this guy is doing business China, so that 1137 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,560 Speaker 4: is trying to spread quote socialism with Chinese characteristics, and 1138 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:45,280 Speaker 4: he is lavishing. 1139 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,320 Speaker 1: She didn't ping in praise, so capitalism with Swedish characteristic. 1140 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,320 Speaker 4: Capitalism with characteristics. So but this is actually I think 1141 00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,440 Speaker 4: that the Jacobin article, which is actually written I think 1142 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,280 Speaker 4: by folks in Sweden who point out that Swedish union 1143 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:02,080 Speaker 4: density is down for like eighty percent, but it's down 1144 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,240 Speaker 4: to like sixty two percent, so still a country with 1145 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,760 Speaker 4: pretty high union density. But the stakes here, I think 1146 01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:10,080 Speaker 4: for both sides absolutely are very high, and especially Ryan 1147 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,959 Speaker 4: in light of what we're about to talk about next, 1148 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,000 Speaker 4: which is the climate deal that was struck last night. 1149 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Dubai decided that it was going to be the best 1150 01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:24,240 Speaker 1: place to host the climate change conference called COP twenty eight. 1151 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,440 Speaker 1: So as first of all, it's kind of perfect. Really 1152 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,640 Speaker 1: it is perfect. We did figure out what COP stands for. Yes, 1153 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,240 Speaker 1: ex tribute questions, Ask yourself, do you know what COP stands? 1154 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,439 Speaker 1: Where it's COP twenty four, COP twenty last you know Copenhagen. 1155 01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,200 Speaker 3: Conference of Parties. 1156 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,840 Speaker 4: It's again perfect if you parties. A lot of people 1157 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,360 Speaker 4: came into this show today wondering, A, is Mike Johnson 1158 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 4: still a real person? And B what does COPS stand for? 1159 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:53,920 Speaker 4: And by the end of the show we have answered 1160 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,920 Speaker 4: successfully those two questions. 1161 01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:00,760 Speaker 1: Sort of because it's Conference of Parties of the un FCC. Well, 1162 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,040 Speaker 1: I see, I can't even remember of the framework on 1163 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,560 Speaker 1: the Climate Change Agreement or whatever that is. It's a 1164 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,880 Speaker 1: bunch of countries that get together to try to agree 1165 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,560 Speaker 1: on a path forward. Before they reached a deal. Early 1166 01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:22,080 Speaker 1: this morning, Al Gore unleashed on the kind of conference 1167 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,240 Speaker 1: and shame them a little bit with well, actually, so 1168 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:25,800 Speaker 1: let's put. 1169 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,560 Speaker 3: This put this up here. This is al Gore. 1170 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,080 Speaker 1: COP twenty eight is now on the verge of complete failure. 1171 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,120 Speaker 1: The world desperately needs to phase out fossil fuels as 1172 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,439 Speaker 1: quickly as possible. But this obsequious draft reads as if 1173 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,479 Speaker 1: opak Opek dictated it word for word. 1174 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,360 Speaker 3: It is even worse than many had feared. 1175 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,120 Speaker 1: It is of the Petro States, by the Petro States, 1176 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,200 Speaker 1: and for the Petro States. It is deeply offensive to 1177 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,120 Speaker 1: all who have taken this process seriously, twenty four hours 1178 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,720 Speaker 1: left to show whose side the world is on the 1179 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,080 Speaker 1: side that wants to protect community's future by kickstarting and 1180 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,600 Speaker 1: orderly phase out of fossil fuels, or the side of 1181 01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,760 Speaker 1: the petro states and the leaders of the oil and 1182 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,360 Speaker 1: gas companies that are fueling the historic climate catastrophe. In 1183 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:03,040 Speaker 1: order to prevent COP twenty eight from being the most 1184 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,400 Speaker 1: embarrassing and dismal failure in twenty eight years of international 1185 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,520 Speaker 1: climate negotiations, the final text must include clear language on 1186 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,520 Speaker 1: phasing out fossil fuels. Anything else is a massive step 1187 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,440 Speaker 1: backwards from where the world needs to be to truly 1188 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,640 Speaker 1: address the climate crisis and make sure that one point 1189 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,720 Speaker 1: five degree centigrade. 1190 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,000 Speaker 3: Goal doesn't die. 1191 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:28,320 Speaker 1: In Dubai, they did finally come to agreement on phrasing 1192 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:34,800 Speaker 1: around phasing out fossil fuels against the interest obviously of 1193 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:43,720 Speaker 1: any fossil fuel producing companies countries, but environmentalists and climate 1194 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:49,040 Speaker 1: change climatehawks are still saying that it doesn't it doesn't 1195 01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,560 Speaker 1: really create any path, you know, toward getting there. It's 1196 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,520 Speaker 1: it's good that they acknowledge it and said that they're 1197 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,640 Speaker 1: going to within ten years kind of you know, transition 1198 01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:02,840 Speaker 1: away from fossil fuels. It includes big stops to natural gas, 1199 01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,720 Speaker 1: which is a big priority of Russia, other other U 1200 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,000 Speaker 1: s major natural gas producers, the EU, which is building 1201 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,640 Speaker 1: a gigantic terminal for liquid natural gas. A lot of 1202 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:20,320 Speaker 1: developing countries and stretches in the south, you know, are 1203 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,480 Speaker 1: are very angry about the fact that there's no financing 1204 01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,000 Speaker 1: and no plan to say okay, Nderia's saying, okay, well, 1205 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,280 Speaker 1: you want us to not develop all of our you know, 1206 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,640 Speaker 1: wealth that we've discovered when it comes to fossil fuels, 1207 01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,200 Speaker 1: but you're also not putting uh in play any type 1208 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,040 Speaker 1: of financing that would incentivize us to do that and 1209 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:39,240 Speaker 1: to move in a different direction. 1210 01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,000 Speaker 3: So so how are we gonna how are we going 1211 01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:42,400 Speaker 3: to do that? 1212 01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,280 Speaker 1: There was there was a big push to uh, you know, 1213 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,600 Speaker 1: crack down on coal uh and to insist that any 1214 01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,720 Speaker 1: new coal plants not add you know, any carbon emissions 1215 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,040 Speaker 1: that they be, that they use some type of carbon 1216 01:03:56,080 --> 01:04:00,640 Speaker 1: tech to uh that that tech is not developed sufficiently. Indian, 1217 01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,920 Speaker 1: China and others were able to push back on that, 1218 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 1: and so it's nice they're saying some decent things. It's 1219 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,040 Speaker 1: better than it could have been. But We're already at 1220 01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:16,360 Speaker 1: like one point two degrees increase, so I'll get stay 1221 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,240 Speaker 1: below one point five looks basically impossible. 1222 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,240 Speaker 4: There's an interesting line in a Bloomberg article in this 1223 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,640 Speaker 4: where they actually go back to the Glasgow conference two 1224 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,720 Speaker 4: years ago and say, after a pledge to phase down 1225 01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,800 Speaker 4: cold Glasgow two years ago, consumption has continued to rise 1226 01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,640 Speaker 4: and the world remains very likely to unlikely to limit 1227 01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,800 Speaker 4: warming to the Paris Agreement's target of one point five. 1228 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,600 Speaker 4: So yeah, like they talked about this two years ago, 1229 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,560 Speaker 4: and cold consumption continues to rise, and that's sort of 1230 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,760 Speaker 4: a good, I think, window into how this stuff actually goes. 1231 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,600 Speaker 4: It's kind of already being dubbed the quote UAE consensus. 1232 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,840 Speaker 4: And this is another line from the Bloomberg piece. They say, well, 1233 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,240 Speaker 4: the outcome falls short of the specific fossil fueld quote 1234 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,280 Speaker 4: phase out. As Ryan mentioned that most countries wanted, it 1235 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,920 Speaker 4: does break new ground. No previous COP text has mentioned 1236 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,560 Speaker 4: moving away from oil and gas, the fuels that have 1237 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,520 Speaker 4: underpinned the global economy for decades. I was listening to 1238 01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,280 Speaker 4: an NPR report on this yesterday when I was driving, 1239 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,720 Speaker 4: and while I was driving a gas guzzling vehicle and 1240 01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,920 Speaker 4: they said something. They were talking about how countries, largely 1241 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,920 Speaker 4: in the Global South you just mentioned in Nigeria, we're 1242 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,400 Speaker 4: really unhappy with the agreement so far because they are 1243 01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:26,640 Speaker 4: facing sort of more acute consequences quickly, more quickly than 1244 01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:31,720 Speaker 4: countries sort of in the middle are on the geographic middle, 1245 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,760 Speaker 4: that is to say, are when it comes to climate 1246 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,280 Speaker 4: that these are going to hurt poorer countries in the 1247 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:39,760 Speaker 4: Global South more and more quickly than they are countries 1248 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,600 Speaker 4: in the middle. What's interesting about that is actually those 1249 01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,760 Speaker 4: countries also Nigeria being one example, for the reasons you 1250 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,600 Speaker 4: just listed, Ryan, are the ones that will lose from 1251 01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:56,560 Speaker 4: some of the modernization and humanitarian benefits that fossil fuels 1252 01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,040 Speaker 4: brought to different parts of the world really quickly. And 1253 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,480 Speaker 4: we're starting to see that become part of the debate 1254 01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,400 Speaker 4: in the EU and the United States. That's like, listen, 1255 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,720 Speaker 4: if you want these countries to have a robust and 1256 01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,640 Speaker 4: growing middle class, limiting fossil fuel consumption or limiting the 1257 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,000 Speaker 4: profits that they can make on other people's fossil fuel 1258 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,600 Speaker 4: consumption is saying we got rich off of these fossil fuels, 1259 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,680 Speaker 4: but you can't, and that is a real problem I 1260 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,400 Speaker 4: think for the left to sort of explain and work 1261 01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,960 Speaker 4: around this deal itself was. 1262 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,720 Speaker 1: Which would you say, well, fine, let's redistribute a lot 1263 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: of wealth. 1264 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,240 Speaker 4: See that Ryan has the easy, honest answer that John 1265 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,760 Speaker 4: Kerry and al Gore don't. They won't go as so 1266 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:36,720 Speaker 4: far as to say this this was. 1267 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,720 Speaker 3: Reportedly alight because he's kind of out of power. 1268 01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:41,800 Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, at this point you probably John Kerry 1269 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,560 Speaker 4: would not. But that is a real problem I think 1270 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,440 Speaker 4: for the people who are flying to these conferences in 1271 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,120 Speaker 4: private jets and living luxurious lifestyles to say, we got 1272 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,800 Speaker 4: rech off this stuff. I'm sure the Heinz fortune came 1273 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,280 Speaker 4: in no small part due to fossil fuel consumption and 1274 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,120 Speaker 4: use of fossil fuels and shipping that's all over the 1275 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,360 Speaker 4: all over the world, actually shipping that delicious ketchup all. 1276 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,160 Speaker 3: Over the world, all fifty cent varieties. 1277 01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:10,120 Speaker 4: But no, you guys in Nigeria, that's where we're stopping this. 1278 01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:11,560 Speaker 3: And so al Gore. 1279 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,040 Speaker 1: I'll read some of his follow up statement after they 1280 01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,680 Speaker 1: reached a deal. By the way, al Gore is seventy 1281 01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,560 Speaker 1: five years old, six years younger than Joe Biden. 1282 01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:21,000 Speaker 3: He says. 1283 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,320 Speaker 1: The decision at COP twenty eight to finally recognize this 1284 01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,960 Speaker 1: is after the agreement was reached, To finally recognize that 1285 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,480 Speaker 1: the climate crisis is at its heart a fossil fuel 1286 01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,320 Speaker 1: crisis is an important milestone, but it is also the 1287 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,440 Speaker 1: bare minimum we need and is long overdue. The influence 1288 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,200 Speaker 1: of petro states is still evident in the half measures 1289 01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,480 Speaker 1: and loopholes included in the final agreement. Whether this is 1290 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,360 Speaker 1: a turning point that truly marks the beginning of the 1291 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,440 Speaker 1: end of the fossil fuel era depends on the actions 1292 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:48,520 Speaker 1: that come next and the mobilization of finance required to 1293 01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:49,000 Speaker 1: achieve them. 1294 01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,800 Speaker 3: And that is a key point, is that the states. 1295 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,160 Speaker 1: States are going to have to insert themselves into the 1296 01:07:55,200 --> 01:08:01,280 Speaker 1: financial markets to drive financial decision, like they did with 1297 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,720 Speaker 1: the Inflation Reduction Act for instance, saying like, look, if 1298 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:07,160 Speaker 1: you invest in this clean tech, it's going to be 1299 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,680 Speaker 1: more profitable because we're going to give these x subsidies 1300 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,960 Speaker 1: and tax breaks like That's as basically the question that 1301 01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:14,720 Speaker 1: the world is facing. 1302 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:19,639 Speaker 3: Do we want to use state power to drive finance 1303 01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:20,600 Speaker 3: in that direction. 1304 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,160 Speaker 4: Right and then or do we use things like COP 1305 01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:29,840 Speaker 4: as a as a cope or as like a shield 1306 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,120 Speaker 4: to say, listen, we came to the negotiating table. Reportedly, 1307 01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,719 Speaker 4: this deal was helped enormously by negotiations that John Kerry 1308 01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,200 Speaker 4: was having with China. So do we say on the surface, 1309 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,760 Speaker 4: you know, this is what we're doing, and privately, we're 1310 01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,400 Speaker 4: going to continue taking our private jets and investing in 1311 01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,559 Speaker 4: fossil fuel companies and allowing fossil fuel companies to run 1312 01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,960 Speaker 4: ads on how they are transitioning to green energy while 1313 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,439 Speaker 4: they're still making bank on fossil fuels. And it's all 1314 01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,400 Speaker 4: just kind of a show that protects you know, that 1315 01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,440 Speaker 4: gives a little, as Al Gore says, quote bare minimum, 1316 01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,680 Speaker 4: sort of gives. It gives a little in order to 1317 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,040 Speaker 4: continue doing other things beneath the surface. 1318 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,719 Speaker 1: The other big news here in Washington is that mass 1319 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:17,240 Speaker 1: surveillance is getting a second look. This a coalition of 1320 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:21,160 Speaker 1: the Progressive Caucus and the Freedom Caucus have been battling 1321 01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:25,559 Speaker 1: to reform what they call seven oh two authorities. This 1322 01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,639 Speaker 1: is the kind of key provisions of the Patriot Act 1323 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:35,120 Speaker 1: that allow the US government to surveil foreigners and through 1324 01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,920 Speaker 1: the through their surveillance of foreigners, to kind of do 1325 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:42,759 Speaker 1: back door searches with regard to like Americans either abroad 1326 01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,400 Speaker 1: or uh or or on American soil. A lot of 1327 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,880 Speaker 1: dispute and an argument about you know how how often 1328 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,519 Speaker 1: it's abused, you know, what the back doors like allow for. 1329 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:57,120 Speaker 1: And so this is an opportunity to say, okay, let's 1330 01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,240 Speaker 1: let's codify this, let's seriously reform this. On top of 1331 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:06,920 Speaker 1: the kind of developing the developed industry that where private companies, 1332 01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,880 Speaker 1: you know, obtain all sorts of information that it would 1333 01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,720 Speaker 1: be illegal for the US government to obtain. There is 1334 01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,479 Speaker 1: a law that says the US government cannot use a 1335 01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,639 Speaker 1: private you cannot buy privately what it couldn't obtain legally, 1336 01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,719 Speaker 1: you know, through a warrant. What they've done is they've 1337 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:27,400 Speaker 1: gone to like third party brokers yes, and said, oh, well, 1338 01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:29,120 Speaker 1: we're not buying it directly from then, we're buying it 1339 01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,400 Speaker 1: from these guys that you know. Pathetically, the courts have 1340 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,160 Speaker 1: been like, yeah, sure, that seems fine. 1341 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:38,120 Speaker 3: It's like what you no, what are we idiots? That's 1342 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:38,839 Speaker 3: not fine. 1343 01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:43,240 Speaker 1: So so this new push would also make very clear 1344 01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,840 Speaker 1: that you that you cannot do that. And so, as 1345 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,720 Speaker 1: our resident Freedom Caucus correspondent, what's your sense of you 1346 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,519 Speaker 1: know how serious the opposition is, and then we can 1347 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,080 Speaker 1: get to kind of the where you know, where this is, 1348 01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,360 Speaker 1: where this is heading today, tomorrow and throughout the week. 1349 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,160 Speaker 4: You know, I wouldn't even look to the freedom focus 1350 01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:04,519 Speaker 4: on this. I would look to Senator Lee because he 1351 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,360 Speaker 4: has been all over this, not just in the last 1352 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,800 Speaker 4: couple of months, but for a long time. Because this 1353 01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:13,000 Speaker 4: is so FISA's Section seven oh two is expiring on 1354 01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:17,519 Speaker 4: December thirty first, and that has the intelligence community scared 1355 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:21,599 Speaker 4: out of their minds because they rely so much on 1356 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:26,200 Speaker 4: this oversight. They have abused it tens of thousands of 1357 01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,439 Speaker 4: times according to Inspector General reports. So that's according to 1358 01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,439 Speaker 4: our own government. It has been abused rampantly. And basically 1359 01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,120 Speaker 4: whenever Chris Ray goes in front of Mike Lee and 1360 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:36,639 Speaker 4: goes in front of the Senate or goes in front 1361 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,680 Speaker 4: of the House, he says, just trust us. We have 1362 01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:43,160 Speaker 4: put reforms in place and it is not currently being abused. 1363 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,200 Speaker 4: But of course we have absolutely no insight into that. 1364 01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,280 Speaker 4: You really just have to take Chris Ray's word for it, 1365 01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,400 Speaker 4: or you have to have you know, ongoing ig oversight. 1366 01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,840 Speaker 4: And what's interesting about FISA is that it came out 1367 01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:54,800 Speaker 4: of the Church Committee era. And we've talked about this 1368 01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,559 Speaker 4: many times, Ryan FISA abuse. It's the abuse of the 1369 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:02,360 Speaker 4: system that was meant to stop abuse at the system. 1370 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,840 Speaker 4: And so it shows how easily even the intelligence community's 1371 01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:11,760 Speaker 4: sort of self government and it's it's oversight bodies can 1372 01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,400 Speaker 4: be abused because the intelligence community is able to operate, 1373 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:19,720 Speaker 4: it gets so much sort of leeway to operate in 1374 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,000 Speaker 4: the shadows. And so then you really do have to 1375 01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,920 Speaker 4: just say, hey, Christopher Ray, I'm trusting that you are 1376 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,760 Speaker 4: better than Jay Edgar Hoover. I even though you work 1377 01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:33,800 Speaker 4: in the JEdgar Hoover building, although not for not for long, 1378 01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:38,120 Speaker 4: but we're just trusting that you're doing this and you're 1379 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,559 Speaker 4: doing it all on the up and up. And so 1380 01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:44,120 Speaker 4: Mike Lee has been just reaming them out publicly, and 1381 01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:46,160 Speaker 4: so to have that on the Senate side, Rand Paul 1382 01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,160 Speaker 4: is also on top of this on the Senate side, 1383 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,440 Speaker 4: and to have them the Freedom Caucus with the negotiating 1384 01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,639 Speaker 4: power that it does. You know, the sort of GOP 1385 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,160 Speaker 4: on the House side at large doesn't have much negotiating power, 1386 01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,720 Speaker 4: but the Freedom Caucus does have a lot of negotiating 1387 01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,160 Speaker 4: power over the GOP because of the slim margins. They 1388 01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,000 Speaker 4: have decided to take this up as a cause, and 1389 01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,120 Speaker 4: rightfully so, because we can put the next element up 1390 01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,799 Speaker 4: on the screen. This is an article from my colleague 1391 01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:14,080 Speaker 4: over at the Federalist Tristan Justice, who actually went and 1392 01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:17,680 Speaker 4: looked at a letter that some of the folks in 1393 01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:21,760 Speaker 4: the intelligence community released recently, where they said, as you 1394 01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:24,080 Speaker 4: well know, our nation is under significant threat today, with 1395 01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,240 Speaker 4: wars in Europe in the Middle East, a potential conflict 1396 01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:28,599 Speaker 4: with China and the Indo Pacific, and the deadly flow 1397 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,320 Speaker 4: of fentanyl across the southern border. It is so insulting 1398 01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:34,040 Speaker 4: that they just invoked fentanyl to keep spying on people. 1399 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:38,439 Speaker 4: They add, in these circumstances, we cannot hamstring the intelligence community, 1400 01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:40,360 Speaker 4: either by failing through a new section seven oh two 1401 01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,960 Speaker 4: of the Faiza Act or by limiting it in ways 1402 01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,200 Speaker 4: that would make it difficult for the government to protect Americans. 1403 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,120 Speaker 4: People like Mike Lee want them to get a warrant 1404 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:52,680 Speaker 4: every time that they invade our privacy, which is basically 1405 01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,960 Speaker 4: exactly what the Constitution says they have to do. They 1406 01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:01,200 Speaker 4: say they cannot afford to get warrants because that would 1407 01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:06,000 Speaker 4: impede their ability to keep Americans safe. That letter was signed, 1408 01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,240 Speaker 4: As Glenn Greenwald surmised on Twitter, he was like, this 1409 01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:11,160 Speaker 4: is you know, there's overlap between this letter and the 1410 01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,120 Speaker 4: Hunter Biden laptop is disinformation. It must be censored letter. 1411 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,719 Speaker 4: Indeed it was, and that's what the federalsto article pointed out, 1412 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,040 Speaker 4: and also pointed out that seven oh two was abuse. 1413 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,160 Speaker 4: This is where the Freedom Caucus is coming from. Was 1414 01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:26,560 Speaker 4: abused in a surveilling Carter Page and the sort of 1415 01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:27,559 Speaker 4: Russia collusion hoax. 1416 01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,559 Speaker 1: And it's funny how we each try to reach our 1417 01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,960 Speaker 1: respective audiences because over the intercept and we could probably 1418 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:37,280 Speaker 1: put this up and post our our headline was Trump allies, 1419 01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,960 Speaker 1: we are, you know, gunning for more surveillance authority. Because 1420 01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,800 Speaker 1: if you're going to reach kind of Norman Democrats want to, 1421 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,559 Speaker 1: you want to make it clear to them, hey, okay, 1422 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,559 Speaker 1: maybe we don't think you should, but maybe you trust 1423 01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,080 Speaker 1: Joe Biden or Barack Obama with these authorities. 1424 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,640 Speaker 3: Do you really trust Trump with these authorities? 1425 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,439 Speaker 1: And so, while it is very much the case that 1426 01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,640 Speaker 1: a lot of Trump allies are because of their experience 1427 01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:02,599 Speaker 1: with crossfire, Hurricane and Carter Page, uh and the flies 1428 01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,679 Speaker 1: at Court are very hostile to some of these authorities. 1429 01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,880 Speaker 1: That's why the freedom caucuses there are also some because 1430 01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,680 Speaker 1: he had plenty of deep staters in his administration who 1431 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:14,400 Speaker 1: were heavily supportive of them. So you've got Mike, Mike Pompeo, 1432 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,880 Speaker 1: William Barr, John Ratcliffe, Robert O'Brien, Devin Nunas, all of 1433 01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:23,880 Speaker 1: them kind of championing given and giving Biden these reauthorization 1434 01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,920 Speaker 1: of these authorities that our headline Trump allies are giddy 1435 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,280 Speaker 1: about House Intelligence Committee Surveillance bill. 1436 01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:30,040 Speaker 3: Uh. 1437 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,360 Speaker 1: The opponents of it were able to kick that Intelligence 1438 01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,440 Speaker 1: Committee bill out of the NDAA. 1439 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,240 Speaker 3: And so here's how the process is unfolding. 1440 01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,760 Speaker 1: That the National Defense Authorization Act is this must pass 1441 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:44,240 Speaker 1: piece of legislation which is supposed to go through the House, 1442 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,200 Speaker 1: the Senate, in the House this this week and in 1443 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,280 Speaker 1: the Senate, Ram Paul Mike Lee, as Emily was talking about, 1444 01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:54,560 Speaker 1: are are going to make some the word out of 1445 01:15:54,600 --> 01:15:56,000 Speaker 1: the center, are going to make some kind of play 1446 01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:59,479 Speaker 1: today to try to reform you know what's what's getting 1447 01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,599 Speaker 1: rammed through there. That's going to be one line of defense. 1448 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:08,040 Speaker 1: Assuming that that eventually gets overridden. It comes over to 1449 01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,559 Speaker 1: the House, which is going to try to pass the 1450 01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,880 Speaker 1: legislation under what's called suspension of the rules. And in 1451 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,920 Speaker 1: order to suspend the rules, you need a two thirds vote, 1452 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,719 Speaker 1: which means that you only need one hundred and forty 1453 01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:27,519 Speaker 1: six members of Congress to stop the NDAA with this 1454 01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:32,040 Speaker 1: extension of spying authority in it. One hundred and forty 1455 01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,400 Speaker 1: six members Republicans and Democrats. You've got Primila Jaia Paul 1456 01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:40,280 Speaker 1: organizing on on the left, organizing the Progressive Caucus against it, 1457 01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,280 Speaker 1: and you've got warrened was it Davison and Oc'donald da 1458 01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:50,360 Speaker 1: Davis so Ohio really kind of a popular Republican, soft 1459 01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,599 Speaker 1: spoken but kind of just absolutely has been losing it 1460 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:55,800 Speaker 1: on the Intel Committee lately. Did you see this that 1461 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,760 Speaker 1: he was like, you're effing lying to me, Like yeah, 1462 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:04,400 Speaker 1: And you know, Warren is known by his colleagues as 1463 01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,280 Speaker 1: just as a good dude basically like and doesn't get 1464 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,360 Speaker 1: his feathers ruffled. And so the fact that he's has 1465 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:15,719 Speaker 1: been screaming at Mike Turner behind closed doors, it seems 1466 01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,880 Speaker 1: to be the thing that blocked what was going to be. 1467 01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,360 Speaker 1: If we want to get even deeper into the weeds 1468 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:21,880 Speaker 1: on this, they were going to do a thing called 1469 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,559 Speaker 1: Queen Queen of the Hill. 1470 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:25,160 Speaker 3: Remember this, So they. 1471 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,080 Speaker 1: Were going to put both things up, like, all right, 1472 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:32,080 Speaker 1: here's what the intelligence community wants, here's what the reformers, Jaya, Paul, 1473 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,920 Speaker 1: what Warren and Permila say that they want, and whichever 1474 01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,360 Speaker 1: gets more votes on the floor is the Queen of 1475 01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:38,720 Speaker 1: the Hill and then gets put in there. 1476 01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,000 Speaker 3: But they were getting lied on so horrendously. 1477 01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah that Warren was like, no, like this is outrageous, 1478 01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,720 Speaker 1: We're not doing this, and so and worked with the 1479 01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,880 Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus members on the Rules Committee, which if anybody says, 1480 01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,360 Speaker 1: all right, what are the what are the actual wins 1481 01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,639 Speaker 1: that they've gotten from that speaker fight? Getting the members 1482 01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,080 Speaker 1: on the Rules Committee at least puts them in a 1483 01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,439 Speaker 1: position to have more leverage here. So if they can 1484 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,400 Speaker 1: cobble together one hundred and forty six members of Congress 1485 01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,640 Speaker 1: to oppose the NBA with this kind of reauthorization in 1486 01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,839 Speaker 1: it a huge challenge because there's there's no greater pressure 1487 01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,000 Speaker 1: put on members of Congress than to just approve this 1488 01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:21,880 Speaker 1: military policy. 1489 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,760 Speaker 3: To do nothing, just get it's done, move it through. 1490 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:25,720 Speaker 4: This is status quo. 1491 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,000 Speaker 1: But if they if they can stop it, then they 1492 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:30,680 Speaker 1: have to negotiate, because then they have to go back 1493 01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,479 Speaker 1: through the Rules Committee to get it onto the floor. 1494 01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,160 Speaker 1: And on the Rules committee you've got the Freedom Caucus 1495 01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,880 Speaker 1: members who are going to say, well, just reauthorize it 1496 01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:41,840 Speaker 1: using our bill that includes some very basic reforms. And 1497 01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:46,160 Speaker 1: you can tell how shady the intel community is about this. 1498 01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:51,640 Speaker 1: All of the kind of authorizations for this spying expire 1499 01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:57,920 Speaker 1: by think April eleventh, and this bill extends them through 1500 01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:02,439 Speaker 1: April nineteenth. And then what they can do is after 1501 01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,200 Speaker 1: April eleventh, when they expire, as long as the law 1502 01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:06,839 Speaker 1: is still in place, they could. 1503 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:07,800 Speaker 3: Extend them for another year. 1504 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:11,439 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so okay, it expires in April nineteenth, but 1505 01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:15,640 Speaker 1: they will then on April twelfth, like extend them all 1506 01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,000 Speaker 1: the way to April twenty twenty five. And so one 1507 01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:21,120 Speaker 1: of the things that Warren and Promila are fighting for 1508 01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:24,360 Speaker 1: is say no, you can't do that, right like you 1509 01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,120 Speaker 1: have to we at least have to have this fight 1510 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:26,920 Speaker 1: again in the spring. 1511 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,840 Speaker 4: There was a sunset that happened at one point during 1512 01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,920 Speaker 4: the Trump administration, and they have all kinds of mechanisms 1513 01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,760 Speaker 4: to continue justifying seven oh two authority. And that's what 1514 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,599 Speaker 4: Davidson and Jipaul understand and realize. And that's why when 1515 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,280 Speaker 4: they're crafting the text of this legislation, they're being very 1516 01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,560 Speaker 4: careful about it. And that's why you've seen the intelligence 1517 01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,439 Speaker 4: community come out with a letter like the one that 1518 01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:48,000 Speaker 4: we mentioned, because they're actually terrified that they're about to 1519 01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,360 Speaker 4: lose a major power and they're just asking for the 1520 01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,559 Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt. Now, Mike Lee tweeted last night, Tomorrow, 1521 01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,040 Speaker 4: the Senate, so that's today, has the chance to remove 1522 01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,479 Speaker 4: FISA seven oh two from the NDAA. The Senate rules 1523 01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:02,360 Speaker 4: can make this happen. And if just forty one senators agree, 1524 01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,439 Speaker 4: Lee ad advices should be reviewed on its own merits, 1525 01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:10,639 Speaker 4: not the NDAA. Not the NDAA is and that's actually 1526 01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,080 Speaker 4: really important. Rand Paul has a rule twenty eight point 1527 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:18,200 Speaker 4: of order tomorrow and if those forty one senators oppose that, 1528 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,400 Speaker 4: so tomorrow, by the way, is today, and Mike Lee 1529 01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,200 Speaker 4: refers to them as quote the firm, which is pretty funny. 1530 01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,960 Speaker 4: If they oppose that motion seven oh two is out 1531 01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:29,040 Speaker 4: of the NDAA. The firm, Lee continues, will try to 1532 01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:33,000 Speaker 4: scare senators, warning of inevitable catastrophe if seven oh two expires. 1533 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,360 Speaker 4: At midnight on New Year's Eve, and. 1534 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,800 Speaker 1: So once it's crazy, it's not a catastrophe because I 1535 01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,679 Speaker 1: mean I think it's a catastrophecause it's a bad policy. 1536 01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:44,240 Speaker 1: But from their preserved it's not a catastrophe because it's 1537 01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,360 Speaker 1: good for a year, like even if it expires, you 1538 01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:47,240 Speaker 1: still have the authority. 1539 01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:48,479 Speaker 3: So they're kind of lying to people. 1540 01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:52,240 Speaker 4: Yes, although if there is proactive legislation that passes, like 1541 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:56,080 Speaker 4: the Davidson di Paul negotiations, then they're actually really in 1542 01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,760 Speaker 4: serious trouble. And one thing to watch out for is 1543 01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:03,320 Speaker 4: just because there's a vote on this now on December thirteenth, 1544 01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:07,479 Speaker 4: whatever it is, that doesn't mean that they don't find 1545 01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:10,400 Speaker 4: a way. When things get really harried at the very 1546 01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,639 Speaker 4: end of these NDAA negotiations, it somehow ends up back 1547 01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,720 Speaker 4: in the bill that it somehow gets out of the 1548 01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:19,040 Speaker 4: bill because they are doing carrots and sticks from now 1549 01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,920 Speaker 4: until the end of the year. Although the government could 1550 01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,280 Speaker 4: shut down, that's a big question. Does the Freedom Caucus 1551 01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,479 Speaker 4: decide to shut down the government over seven oh two 1552 01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,240 Speaker 4: huge question, and they would probably say it's also would 1553 01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:32,960 Speaker 4: be about Ukraine, It would be about a lot of 1554 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,920 Speaker 4: stuff in the funding bills that need to get passed 1555 01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,920 Speaker 4: in the next couple of weeks in order to avoid 1556 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,160 Speaker 4: a government shut down. But to seven oh two become 1557 01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,839 Speaker 4: part of it. If you follow surveillance and privacy issues, 1558 01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:49,680 Speaker 4: seven oh two is like the krem delocreme of surveillance 1559 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:54,960 Speaker 4: malfeasans like, this is the apex of American surveillance problems. 1560 01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,000 Speaker 4: And you know, is it the worst of the worst. 1561 01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,439 Speaker 4: I mean, it's all bad, there's no question about it. 1562 01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:02,640 Speaker 4: But it's it's been around forever, well not forever, but 1563 01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:06,519 Speaker 4: as long as some of these really egregious encroachments have existed, 1564 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:10,880 Speaker 4: high tech encroachments have existed. So they're very scared and 1565 01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,479 Speaker 4: they should be very scared because there's a lot of 1566 01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,639 Speaker 4: will right now to get rid of this, and it's 1567 01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:16,320 Speaker 4: happening fast. 1568 01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,920 Speaker 3: And to sum up, here's news you can use. 1569 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,719 Speaker 1: If you love spying authority and you trust your government, 1570 01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:23,839 Speaker 1: call Congress, tell them. 1571 01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,479 Speaker 3: To approve the NDAA no changes. 1572 01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,400 Speaker 1: Get that spying authority over to the spy masters. 1573 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,120 Speaker 3: If you're skeptical of. 1574 01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,920 Speaker 1: The government and you want to and you're skeptical of 1575 01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:37,280 Speaker 1: spying authority, call your member of Congress and tell them 1576 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,760 Speaker 1: to vote no on the NDAA and force a negotiation 1577 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,680 Speaker 1: over reforms of the spying authority's that's basically what it is. 1578 01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:46,759 Speaker 3: If you love spy masters, vote yes on the NDA. 1579 01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,120 Speaker 1: If you don't love the spy masters, you vote no 1580 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,760 Speaker 1: on the NDAA. And there's one hundred and forty six o's, 1581 01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:53,280 Speaker 1: then they're back to the table. 1582 01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,360 Speaker 4: And remember what they're asking basically is just for the 1583 01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,360 Speaker 4: benefit of the doubt, and that's. 1584 01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,880 Speaker 3: What intelligence is. Just give them one more year. 1585 01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,559 Speaker 4: The intelligence community relies, it runs on. It is fueled 1586 01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,080 Speaker 4: by benefit of the doubt. Because it operates so undemocratically. 1587 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:11,200 Speaker 4: It is inherently an anti democratic institution. And that's what 1588 01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:15,240 Speaker 4: they operate on. And congressional oversight, I don't know, like 1589 01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,040 Speaker 4: good luck, good luck overseeing their day to day, their 1590 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,920 Speaker 4: day to day abuses of the constitution. You can't possibly 1591 01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,720 Speaker 4: do it. You just have to trust them. And have 1592 01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:28,719 Speaker 4: they in the last ten years after fomenting two major 1593 01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,400 Speaker 4: lies let's just talk about Trump and Russia collusion, and 1594 01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,599 Speaker 4: then telling you on the eve of an election that 1595 01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,760 Speaker 4: an important piece of information was Russian propaganda, when we 1596 01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,240 Speaker 4: now know that they knew that that wasn't true. Have 1597 01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,679 Speaker 4: they earned the benefit of the doubt over the last decade. 1598 01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,320 Speaker 4: Obviously not. And we can go back even more to 1599 01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:49,440 Speaker 4: the Iraq War and imperialism in the Middle East, adventurism 1600 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,960 Speaker 4: in the Middle East, and all of the malfeasins they 1601 01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,200 Speaker 4: were up to in the aughts and say, did they 1602 01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:57,360 Speaker 4: earn your trust? No, of course they didn't. And so yeah, 1603 01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:00,000 Speaker 4: if you believe that we should trust them, go ahead, 1604 01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,759 Speaker 4: call them up and tell them. Yeah. Past the NDAA Ryan. 1605 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,679 Speaker 4: One other thing to keep in mind, I think is interesting. 1606 01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:06,680 Speaker 4: About a month ago, I was poking around on this 1607 01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,720 Speaker 4: and what I was hearing is that they're just not 1608 01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,120 Speaker 4: there might not be time to deal with seven oh 1609 01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,760 Speaker 4: two because even by people who wanted to, because the 1610 01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:17,400 Speaker 4: schedule is so crowded. And the fact that Lee and 1611 01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,400 Speaker 4: Rand Paul, Warren Davidson and Jaia Paul have really made 1612 01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,640 Speaker 4: this an issue, I think speaks to what they've been 1613 01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:23,760 Speaker 4: hearing from constituents. 1614 01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:26,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, so keep that in mind. 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