Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
Speaker 2: We all about that high school drama girl drama girl,
Speaker 2: all about them.
Speaker 3: High school queens. We'll take you for a ride. And
Speaker 3: our comic girl cheering for the right teams.
Speaker 2: Drama Queens girl fashion, but your tough girl, you could
Speaker 2: sit with us.
Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Queens Drama, Drahna, Queens Drama, Queens.
Speaker 4: Oh babe, it was great. This episode was locking great.
Speaker 4: But also I'm traumatized.
Speaker 3: By the way I loved this episode so much, And
Speaker 3: the whole time I was just watching this emotional tragedy
Speaker 3: that you and Chad had to play out, and I
Speaker 3: was like, did they just keep Advilla on set for y'all?
Speaker 3: Like were they keeping you hydrated? I was so sad
Speaker 3: and heartbroken for you.
Speaker 4: Both, but same for you. I was just like, why
Speaker 4: are they putting Sophia the human through this? Like? This
Speaker 4: is hard, guys, this.
Speaker 3: Was This is a lot of hard work on this one.
Speaker 4: Very different episode, very very different episode, beautifully written, which
Speaker 4: is why we're so affected by this By Terrence Coley.
Speaker 5: Why don't you tell them what the rundown is?
Speaker 4: Baby?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Terry Colely did such a great job on this y'all.
Speaker 3: We're here for season six, episode seventeen, You and Me
Speaker 3: and the Bottle makes three tonight, which actually feels sort
Speaker 3: of appropriate. It is early here. I don't have a liquor.
Speaker 3: I have a smoothie. But our compatriot Joy is shooting
Speaker 3: a film. Not that it's about me, but she is
Speaker 3: shooting in Sophia, Bulgaria, which does make me feel sort
Speaker 3: of she Yeah, she was like, you the whole city, honey.
Speaker 3: She was like, it's so beautiful here. You die for
Speaker 3: the architecture.
Speaker 4: I was like, that feels nice, fantastic. But it's like
Speaker 4: late there.
Speaker 3: It's very late there. She is actually still on set.
Speaker 3: She was supposed to join us today. So Hillary, it's
Speaker 3: you and Me and the Smoothie makes three. Ooh, girl
Speaker 3: on this.
Speaker 4: Podcast about a coffee.
Speaker 3: We got coffee.
Speaker 4: I just housed some olive bread I needed to eat
Speaker 4: after this, I know, I know.
Speaker 3: It really it really did make me feel emotional and snacky.
Speaker 3: We've really gone a little tangential. But friends, let me
Speaker 3: tell you what this one is about. Peyton and Lucas
Speaker 3: receive a startling surprise about the pregnancy as Brooke and
Speaker 3: Julian's relationship comes to a crossroads. Nathan and Haley celebrate
Speaker 3: their anniversary while Dan and Debb babysit Jamie. Meanwhile, Marvin
Speaker 3: and Millie try to pick up the pieces of their relationship.
Speaker 3: I don't love that the synopsis says you get a
Speaker 3: startling surprise, but I wonder if that's a nod to
Speaker 3: the title cards of each vignette.
Speaker 4: I see that, So, yeah, that's what was so different
Speaker 4: about this. This was written as a collection of like
Speaker 4: one act plays, and typically we don't get to do
Speaker 4: that in TV because viewers get bored. They're like, oh god,
Speaker 4: we've heard the same people talking for two hull pages.
Speaker 4: I got to change the channel. And at this point,
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know what the catalyst for this
Speaker 4: was for us to really like sit in these scenes
Speaker 4: and I love it, But it was as an actor. Oof,
Speaker 4: it was doing a play. Everyone was doing a play.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember the combination of excitement and anxiety that
Speaker 3: we all felt when we got the script, because yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, these these scenes are seven eight nine pages
Speaker 3: in a chunk, and to your point, it is like
Speaker 3: blocking a play, and it it's fun when you're six
Speaker 3: long years into something to be handed a script and
Speaker 3: have it surprise you.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and this one. I vividly remember filming this
Speaker 4: one because Chad and I knew that we had a
Speaker 4: mountain to climb together. I'm sure you and Austin felt
Speaker 4: the same way. It's like everyone with their scene partner
Speaker 4: just locked in and yeah, if we're not seeing sports,
Speaker 4: to have that kind of sportsmanship behind the scenes felt good.
Speaker 4: It felt like us felt like our show to be like,
Speaker 4: all right, let's go shoot our basket, score our touchdown.
Speaker 4: You know, like, whatever the we're doing in this scene,
Speaker 4: let's make it hurt.
Speaker 3: So what you're saying is your whole script was just
Speaker 3: covered in little x's and o's and the emigends.
Speaker 4: I mean kind of yeah, it was dark, you know.
Speaker 4: I I as I watched, I was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna get emotional about this, but I do think
Speaker 4: we need to provide a trigger warning for anyone who
Speaker 4: hasn't watched the episode or has and just you know,
Speaker 4: isn't aware on their drive to work that this is
Speaker 4: what we're talking about. But you know, fertility, yeah, storylines, uh,
Speaker 4: pregnancy loss storylines, abortion storylines, all of that was touched
Speaker 4: upon in this episode in a way. Yeah that I'm
Speaker 4: actually proud of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. We we had some big talks well on that episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were really large, and it was interesting because
Speaker 3: the episode opens, you know, we talked a lot about
Speaker 3: how last week was basically like a big rom com.
Speaker 3: Yeah and so fun. And one of the things I
Speaker 3: saw that I appreciated, and I think this was very
Speaker 3: smart of Terry our writer, is that opening on Brooke
Speaker 3: and Julian with the misdirect. I don't do that, you know,
Speaker 3: it made it feel like that rom com. And it
Speaker 3: feels to me like this episode was really written to
Speaker 3: like leave one scene from six sixteen and then we
Speaker 3: sort of like dove out of the humor and into
Speaker 3: something deeper. And I really appreciated that because where we
Speaker 3: end up, to your point, the reason we talk about
Speaker 3: a trigger warning, you know, we end up really in
Speaker 3: heavy stuff for people. And you talked about this last week,
Speaker 3: how when you were filming all this stuff as Peyton
Speaker 3: and Lucas, you hadn't been pregnant, you hadn't been down
Speaker 3: the roads you've been down to become a mom. And
Speaker 3: not only did I feel for you, guys watching you,
Speaker 3: you know, go through this beautiful play that was so emotional,
Speaker 3: but I wondered how you would feel about it now,
Speaker 3: having had the life experiences that you've had since.
Speaker 4: Well, what'sked up is that I had some experience with this.
Speaker 4: I was between seasons one and two. I had some
Speaker 4: fertility issues. I had a problem that caused me to
Speaker 4: miss a photo shoot in LA and our boss lost
Speaker 4: his fucking mind with me and told me I was
Speaker 4: ruining everything. And so everyone knows that I'm like the
Speaker 4: kid lady, Like I'm like the lady that fucking loves
Speaker 4: kids and being a mom is all I ever wanted
Speaker 4: to do. My manager still tells the story about, you know,
Speaker 4: we were doing some interview at a record store in
Speaker 4: Times Square and everyone asked where we were going to
Speaker 4: be in ten years, and I was like barefoot and pregnant, Like,
Speaker 4: houck you up for me? So the powers that be
Speaker 4: knew that I had kind of this heartache about this
Speaker 4: specific issue. So it's difficult to watch a younger version
Speaker 4: of myself navigate this knowing that my future was going
Speaker 4: to be a future of loss. I knew that I
Speaker 4: was going to have pregnancy loss. I knew that I
Speaker 4: was going to need to have abortions at some point
Speaker 4: in my life, you know, And so it was really
Speaker 4: easy to cry in these scenes. It's easy to tap
Speaker 4: into something like but did they think I was that
Speaker 4: they of an actress that we always had to tap
Speaker 4: into the real stuff, like, well it was manipulative.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, I one of the
Speaker 3: things I love about you is that you will always
Speaker 3: crack a joke no matter how heavy something is, because
Speaker 3: that's your sense of humor. But like, as your friend,
Speaker 3: that just makes me want to like chop off heads
Speaker 3: because it it wasn't that they had nothing else to do.
Speaker 3: It was that our boss really enjoyed making people act
Speaker 3: out versions of their real personal lives on camera. He
Speaker 3: really took a lot of pleasure in that, and for
Speaker 3: better or worse, we were very cultured to like always smile,
Speaker 3: always be professional, and never let anybody know any of
Speaker 3: it was getting to us. That's something I'm certainly working
Speaker 3: through as an adult in therapy, like realizing, oh, I
Speaker 3: can be miserable and everyone can think I'm happy. This
Speaker 3: is uncomfortable. Uh huh.
Speaker 4: Way if I hear that, if I hear one more
Speaker 4: time in my life. Like we had no idea you
Speaker 4: were upset.
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, really, of.
Speaker 4: Course not, because if I'm upset, then I'm unprofessional.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If I actually say how I feel, I get attacked
Speaker 4: for being the problem. So okay, we hit a nerve
Speaker 4: with this storyline. And what I will say is that
Speaker 4: Chad Michael Murray showed the fuck up. That dude cried
Speaker 4: on my coverage. He stayed with me the whole time.
Speaker 4: He wanted to really understand what the girl side of
Speaker 4: it was. Like. I remember being astounded because we've known
Speaker 4: Chad forever. He's like my it's like a brother, which
Speaker 4: is st up when like a brother characters playing your husband.
Speaker 4: But we had like we picked on each other. We
Speaker 4: ribbed each other about a lot. You know, we made
Speaker 4: fart jokes together. Like it was a very juvenile friendship
Speaker 4: and when you know you have to go into this
Speaker 4: really dark ship that hurts with somebody. The way he
Speaker 4: showed up made me feel very cared for, and I
Speaker 4: was able to express that to him and which made
Speaker 4: him in turn feel really cared for that I saw it.
Speaker 4: You know, it's one thing when like you do something
Speaker 4: nice and then the other person. You don't have to
Speaker 4: point it out. The other person just like recognizes it.
Speaker 4: And so this was a turning point in our friendship
Speaker 4: this episode.
Speaker 3: Well, but I you know, I think about that in
Speaker 3: terms of our lives, all of us, and where we
Speaker 3: had started six years prior. Oh yeah, you know really,
Speaker 3: I mean, you have more professional experience in this world
Speaker 3: than a lot of us. But like, I feel like
Speaker 3: I was a little hatchling, like I had goob behind.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what the heck I was doing.
Speaker 4: You done big stuff. Though. I love the Ryan Reynolds comment.
Speaker 3: And this, I know, I know that was very funny.
Speaker 3: I was like, I never actually dated that guy?
Speaker 4: Was it? Van Wilder?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like the reference to like my first movie ever was
Speaker 3: so funny, Like, and I did love that that we
Speaker 3: ribbed on the fact that so much of what you
Speaker 3: read on the internet is just so far from true
Speaker 3: that it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Well, because who's dated? Who have you looked at your list?
Speaker 4: I love?
Speaker 3: Is it crazy?
Speaker 4: I didn't date Pete Wentz in real life? You guys, well, well.
Speaker 3: Of course you didn't. By there's so many people that
Speaker 3: people think I've dated, And I'm like, I mean, I
Speaker 3: guess I'll let you believe that because I don't really need,
Speaker 3: you know, in my real business. But before we get there,
Speaker 3: like the that whole thing right, like we're referencing our
Speaker 3: essential our childhoods on camera in the episode. But what
Speaker 3: I really appreciate about what you're saying and what I
Speaker 3: could see as a viewer and someone who's known you
Speaker 3: guys for close to you know, well twenty years now,
Speaker 3: I could see that that dynamic you're talking about not
Speaker 3: just this beautiful story for Lucas and Paydon, I could
Speaker 3: see it for Hillary and Chad. And what I really
Speaker 3: love about what you're saying is, you know, we've talked
Speaker 3: a lot on this podcast. Look it's the girls. We
Speaker 3: talk about how we raised each other, we grew up together,
Speaker 3: we learned lessons together. But something that I think is
Speaker 3: really special for you and for him, you know, for you,
Speaker 3: like I wasn't sure if you were going to share
Speaker 3: this stuff about what happened between season one and two today,
Speaker 3: So a thank you there, but b like we'd all
Speaker 3: been through a lot in these six years together, and
Speaker 3: it is not lost on me that I see you
Speaker 3: too in this EID episode go to a place as
Speaker 3: partners in a scene that is so deep and so
Speaker 3: real and so authentic. And you know, a year later,
Speaker 3: you both were gonna have left Wilmington, you had met Jeffrey,
Speaker 3: you were starting a family, and like, I don't know
Speaker 3: how many years it is, I'm not doing the math
Speaker 3: in my head, but not too much longer after this,
Speaker 3: I think he went and started a family.
Speaker 4: He did it while he was doing a movie with Jeffrey. Yes,
Speaker 4: that's right. Yeah, but I would.
Speaker 3: Think that you were friendship and in the same way
Speaker 3: for us, like we held you through the beginning of
Speaker 3: loss and the journey for you, like as a man,
Speaker 3: he got to do that with you. Yeah, And I
Speaker 3: should think that your friendship with him going from being
Speaker 3: like a sister figure to playing this wife and mom
Speaker 3: who he got to show up for, Like you had
Speaker 3: to help raise that boy into becoming the man and
Speaker 3: the dad he is today.
Speaker 4: He loves being a dad. No one loves me, I know.
Speaker 3: And I think that's so beautiful, Like there is I
Speaker 3: don't know. There's just something so special about watching you
Speaker 3: guys in this episode and thinking about what everyone's been
Speaker 3: through for the last six years. And I love hearing
Speaker 3: how helled you both felt in your little one act.
Speaker 3: You know, it was a.
Speaker 4: Learning experience for me because we're both cancers. We both
Speaker 4: have a hard exterior that sometimes people tell us is
Speaker 4: unapproachable or just maybe intimidating, like, oh, you aren't someone
Speaker 4: who I would come to with a you know, a
Speaker 4: problem necessarily because you'd tell me the truth and then
Speaker 4: you'd just learned about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4: So what I learned from having a great writer script
Speaker 4: this scenario for me is that I have just as
Speaker 4: much strength and softness as I do in my prickliness.
Speaker 4: And that's been a big lesson for me in adulthood
Speaker 4: is to understand that softness is also powerful, and that's
Speaker 4: not something that comes naturally to me. So, you know,
Speaker 4: even when Jeffrey and I suffered our first pregnancy loss.
Speaker 4: This sounds terrible, but I already practiced this scene, like
Speaker 4: I'd already played this scene, so I knew what it
Speaker 4: meant to let myself be upset, you know, to try
Speaker 4: to be optimistic in the face of that all of that.
Speaker 4: But Jeffrey hadn't you know, he had never been given
Speaker 4: a script, and he really struggled in what to say
Speaker 4: to me and I wrote about that in my book,
Speaker 4: and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. For
Speaker 4: the guy who hasn't felt all the hormone changes and
Speaker 4: the body changes, pregnancy can oftentimes be imaginary and really
Speaker 4: hard to connect with. And for the girl, it's the
Speaker 4: most serious in the world, whether you want that pregnancy
Speaker 4: or not, like it's life or death for you. And
Speaker 4: I really credit Terrence for the way he crafted these
Speaker 4: scenes because Lucas Scott saying, fine, I'll be the dick,
Speaker 4: I'll be the bad guy if it keeps you alive.
Speaker 4: Was it real thing for a man to say to
Speaker 4: his partner, you know, yes, yes, and you know what.
Speaker 3: I loved that too, I wrote, I wrote that down.
Speaker 3: I said, I really like seeing a man be as
Speaker 3: sort of I don't want to say rational because it
Speaker 3: makes it sound like you're being irrational, But I really
Speaker 3: like seeing him be willing to come from that ultimate
Speaker 3: place of vulnerability, saying I refuse to do this without you.
Speaker 3: I can't do this without you, like you know, I
Speaker 3: choose you. And maybe I don't know, y'all. Maybe it's
Speaker 3: because most of the people we seem screaming about taking
Speaker 3: women's rights away are men. So I'm so used to
Speaker 3: them being like it's so sacred and it's what you're
Speaker 3: born to do and it's easy, and it's like, actually,
Speaker 3: I've had a heart surgeon, and I learned that the
Speaker 3: number one cause of aortic dissection in women, literally where
Speaker 3: the largest or artery in your body rips apart and
Speaker 3: you internally bleed to death is pregnancy. Like, so when
Speaker 3: you say it's life and death, it's literally life and death.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 3: So maybe because culturally, unfortunately in our country, like so
Speaker 3: much of the political pushback on women living comes from men.
Speaker 3: And I was like, thank you, Lucas Scott, like, thank
Speaker 3: you for saying these things, thank you for being willing
Speaker 3: to sob and say I hate this, but also I
Speaker 3: choose you. I prioritize your life. I was so surprised
Speaker 3: by it and the fact that Terry gave you guys
Speaker 3: this opportunity to say every single thing and to confront
Speaker 3: the fear like he did such a good job, and like, god, yea,
Speaker 3: those are the kinds of men you really want to
Speaker 3: have in a writer's room.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it reminded me of my husband Jeffrey.
Speaker 4: Every once in a while will put on his pro
Speaker 4: Rose shirt and just go run errands and do school
Speaker 4: pickup and I'm like.
Speaker 3: God, damn, yeah, that's my man, that's my honey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, crowd, because it is. It's been so stereotyped in
Speaker 4: storytelling that the wife and potential mother needs to martyr
Speaker 4: herself in order to be this angelic figure. And for
Speaker 4: every woman out there that is going through a medical crisis,
Speaker 4: what I don't want is for them to watch Peyton
Speaker 4: Sawyer say I'm willing to die for this and feel
Speaker 4: like they have to come to the same conclusion. And
Speaker 4: so to have Lucas Scott respect the autonomy of his
Speaker 4: partner and know the risks that come with it, but
Speaker 4: also know that it's her body.
Speaker 5: That was important.
Speaker 4: You know, it was important, and it makes that balance
Speaker 4: of storytelling where I'm nervous but he's sure and then
Speaker 4: the flip I don't know. I yeah, I loved its ks.
Speaker 3: No, you know what I liked. I liked that you
Speaker 3: guys had the space for all of your emotions and
Speaker 3: even in the ways you know to your point, like
Speaker 3: that women get so pressured to martyr themselves. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, our friend Glennon wrote a whole beautiful book
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: Like, I like that.
Speaker 3: Even in the moments where I from this year twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four looked back at this episode from two thousand
Speaker 3: and nine and went, are they just gonna make her
Speaker 3: ignore her health? I really liked it, even in the
Speaker 3: even in the nuance they gave you the he said
Speaker 3: maybe so I want to try. And it's like I
Speaker 3: understand that very human habit of holding on to that
Speaker 3: little glimmer of hope, you know, like when I think about,
Speaker 3: you know, not necessarily even on this topic, but when
Speaker 3: I think about, like, oh yeah, in hindsight, I might
Speaker 3: be able to see where something wasn't good for me,
Speaker 3: but like in the moment, there was a chance, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and I really wanted to bet on the chance. I
Speaker 3: really wanted to give it my all. I didn't want
Speaker 3: to give up before I was sure that it wasn't
Speaker 3: for me. And I just think there's something so human
Speaker 3: about that, you know, that everybody can really relate to if.
Speaker 4: You can survive one more day, right, and then the
Speaker 4: next day, if you can survive one more day after that.
Speaker 4: For me, in my pregnancy with George, after you know,
Speaker 4: multiple pregnancy losses, that nine months took forking ever. I mean,
Speaker 4: that was the longest period of my entire life because
Speaker 4: you have to cut it down into bite sized pieces
Speaker 4: like that. You're no, you're not gonna last the full
Speaker 4: nine months, that's not gonna happen. But can you last
Speaker 4: for six hours? Yeah? Yeah, all right, I can do
Speaker 4: six hours and it's a stressful way to live. But
Speaker 4: when you're an optimist, let's yeah. And then when you
Speaker 4: hit that point, we're like, no, I can't do six
Speaker 4: more hours. Then the ability for you to make a
Speaker 4: very sure decision is there. You know, when you can't
Speaker 4: do the bite sized pieces anymore, then the decisions are
Speaker 4: made and it's really really easy. So I like that
Speaker 4: as partners, Peyton was able to say, you're such a dick,
Speaker 4: and it's not. They're not breaking up. It's not a
Speaker 4: fight where it's like we are you're leaving me, you know.
Speaker 4: It was, Yeah, we're having a fight and we're gonna
Speaker 4: be okay in twenty minutes, but we really need to
Speaker 4: have this fight right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big one.
Speaker 4: I love when partners good fight.
Speaker 3: By the way, because it's so healthy. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: love I loved that moment of the back and forth,
Speaker 3: and you know, obviously all the pages of this scene,
Speaker 3: I loved you saying you're a dick and him saying, fine,
Speaker 3: then I'm a dick. Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, he's not trying to talk me out of it.
Speaker 3: He's being real clear, and I just, yeah, I just
Speaker 3: thought that it was like I thought that it was
Speaker 3: very beautifully done.
Speaker 5: Thanks.
Speaker 4: I mean, Greg Prange directed this, And that was another
Speaker 4: layer of weird because I had been with his son
Speaker 4: for a really long time, and Greg knew me really well,
Speaker 4: and he also knew about all these kinds of sad
Speaker 4: parts of me, and so he was very careful with
Speaker 4: me too.
Speaker 5: I think everyone knew how sensitive this was.
Speaker 4: For me, and so I felt really taken care of,
Speaker 4: especially by the guys. The guys somehow knew, I said,
Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna cry. They knew that a nerve had
Speaker 4: been touched like this, that's a button you don't touch.
Speaker 4: And so to do the whole last part of this
Speaker 4: season already under duress man. Yeah, we had really good guys.
Speaker 4: We had good our you know, Steve Allen reached out
Speaker 4: just recently our Dollary Grip and was like, Sis, I
Speaker 4: heard you were talking about me on the podcast, so
Speaker 4: I'm doing it again. Steve.
Speaker 3: We love you, Steve Allen.
Speaker 4: I just loved our guys, and Chad became a very
Speaker 4: dear person to me because of this. So anyway, I
Speaker 4: for all the women out there that are triggered by this,
Speaker 4: I'm really sorry, and I hope I'm not using language
Speaker 4: that's offensive because I'm making jokes and stuff about it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was. It was just a really complicated
Speaker 4: thing to do. But I also, my friend, I see
Speaker 4: you in this episode having to do this whole same
Speaker 4: thing about relationships and failed relationships and opening yourself up
Speaker 4: and being vulnerable to people, which is something that you've
Speaker 4: been vocal about, like do you want to light yourself
Speaker 4: on fire right now? Do?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean it, it is. It's very wild, and this
Speaker 3: journey of Brooks was really personal to me obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: I had been through I'd been like pretty lucky to
Speaker 3: be pretty sheltered in terms of relationships as a kid,
Speaker 3: Like you know, my first relationship was with my best
Speaker 3: friend and like my my camp sweetheart since I was nine,
Speaker 3: Like I had really sweet, kind, patient people in my life,
Speaker 3: and then we all got thrust into adulthood, and I
Speaker 3: went through something that was both like so invasive and
Speaker 3: public but also like not ever fully talked about, or
Speaker 3: like nobody knows the full picture. I mean, obviously you do,
Speaker 3: but I don't think it's really anybody's business. There's this
Speaker 3: weird thing where like when you're any version of a
Speaker 3: public figure, like you almost want everybody to have all
Speaker 3: the facts so that things make sense, and then you're
Speaker 3: also like nobody deserves that. Yeah, but you know, people
Speaker 3: fill vacuums where you give yourself grace or privacy with
Speaker 3: their own facts, which are usually pretty gross. And to
Speaker 3: go through that after like such a period of sweetness
Speaker 3: when I was a kid was very jarring, and so
Speaker 3: it definitely what I realize now again, Like props to
Speaker 3: my wonderful therapist. Trevor's worth every dollar I pay him.
Speaker 4: Thanks Trevor.
Speaker 3: I love you, Trevor.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: Also, my therapist calls me dude, which like is just
Speaker 3: my favorite thing. He's sort of like when you talk
Speaker 3: about how you and Chad became like very brother sister,
Speaker 3: Like my therapist feels like the big brother I never had,
Speaker 3: not the point. I love him, but you know what
Speaker 3: I've learned is that. It taught me like, oh, you
Speaker 3: can be living a life and not realize it's not real.
Speaker 3: Like you can you can literally think you know what's
Speaker 3: going on around you, and there's this whole other thing.
Speaker 3: And so what I learned in these six years was
Speaker 3: like I don't trust people. Yeah, I have to like
Speaker 3: observe people. I you know, I would stay like very
Speaker 3: single for long periods of time and just observe people.
Speaker 3: Anybody who like wanted to date me, I'd make them
Speaker 3: become my friend and I'd observe them to see like
Speaker 3: who are you really when you're not trying to like
Speaker 3: woo me or impress.
Speaker 4: Me, right, you know, like I just you also would
Speaker 4: sick your friends on people like hey, yeah, go see
Speaker 4: how tell me.
Speaker 3: What you think of this? Like tell me you go
Speaker 3: talk to that person and see if I'm crazy because
Speaker 3: I really didn't think for a long time that I
Speaker 3: could trust my judgment.
Speaker 4: You know, when that gets ripped away from you, baby,
Speaker 4: like yeah, it's so hard.
Speaker 5: To come back from that.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and when you when you go through betrayal,
Speaker 3: you go like, oh, do I have any idea what's
Speaker 3: real and what isn't? Yeah, you know it is a
Speaker 3: kind of loss. Like when you talk about loss, it
Speaker 3: is a loss of you know, a loss of trust
Speaker 3: for others is painful enough, but a loss of self
Speaker 3: trust is difficult. And so for me, what I see
Speaker 3: being done in this episode is like the people who
Speaker 3: knew me and observed me for six years were like, hey, honey,
Speaker 3: do you realize you do this? Do you realize you
Speaker 3: hold people at arm's length, like you really heisman people?
Speaker 3: And I did, like certainly, And I've I've always moved
Speaker 3: very I've moved like very slowly for a very long
Speaker 3: time time. I think that was just sort of how
Speaker 3: I learned to protect myself. And it was interesting to
Speaker 3: watch it be written about in a way like because
Speaker 3: it's me, but it's not me, and just go like,
Speaker 3: oh wow, people really can see me. Oh and like
Speaker 3: so we really have our real lives, Like in a sense,
Speaker 3: it's like a like a shadow self, like a.
Speaker 4: Like a a copy avatar.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, like like multiplicity, Like it's the second Michael
Speaker 3: Keaton where you're like, it's me, but it's not me,
Speaker 3: but it's me. I feel this is very intimate and personal.
Speaker 4: Oh. I really struggled with Julian in this episode, I
Speaker 4: thought he was gross. I thought when Brooke said ick,
Speaker 4: which she said you ick at the.
Speaker 3: Time, I don't do that.
Speaker 4: I don't do that. I agree with her and I
Speaker 4: But then when I saw Peyton's stomach bump, I realized, like, oh,
Speaker 4: some time has passed, like that's the thing. Has it
Speaker 4: been three months?
Speaker 5: Has it been four months?
Speaker 4: Like? I wish they had given us some semblance of
Speaker 4: time other than a growing bump on Peyton.
Speaker 3: Well, especially because we kept getting the chirns for the
Speaker 3: vignettes seven year itch deleted scene, Like, couldn't they have
Speaker 3: given us like a three months later, right?
Speaker 4: Because Julian, the last thing I knew, you were throwing
Speaker 4: your letter jacket at him, you know, and you guys
Speaker 4: had a fight and then you sort of made up
Speaker 4: in the diner.
Speaker 5: It was fine.
Speaker 4: And now he's saying I love you like crazy talk.
Speaker 4: It was h It was a little whiplashy for me
Speaker 4: in the beginning, But then as as the story progressed
Speaker 4: and he kept pushing you further and further and further,
Speaker 4: it really felt to me like he was an insull
Speaker 4: in high school and actually never really had a girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, why are you guilty, this chick. It's
Speaker 4: so passive aggressive. It's not I don't want anyone to
Speaker 4: ever tell me they love me because I've forced them
Speaker 4: to before they were comfortable with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it started in such a good place, and
Speaker 3: then it did get almost a little combative, and I
Speaker 3: was like.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm just being sensitive because I'm
Speaker 4: protective of Brooke, but yeah, maybe there's I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: sure there's people out there there like Hillary Layoff. She
Speaker 4: needed to hear the hard love. She needed to hear it,
Speaker 4: and sure, maybe, sure, maybe she did, but.
Speaker 3: It just felt really pressure. Well, here's what I think
Speaker 3: is cool. I liked the reveal because Brook's never said
Speaker 3: it until this episode. I like the reveal that she
Speaker 3: has not been in love since high school, you know,
Speaker 3: because you can kind of assume it. In the four
Speaker 3: years we skipped. We never saw it in the flashbacks.
Speaker 3: We saw Victoria making her go on dates so she'd
Speaker 3: get photographed with the hot guy for the tabloid whatever.
Speaker 3: But to hear her say it, and to see Julian
Speaker 3: see it, and to see the discomfort, like I remember
Speaker 3: how that felt to stand there and think about what
Speaker 3: it would be like to have someone see your secret
Speaker 3: that you just haven't opened yourself up to anybody in
Speaker 3: so long. And I appreciated as much as I thought
Speaker 3: by the end of the scene he was a little petulant.
Speaker 3: They wrote him that way. What I appreciated was the
Speaker 3: fact that she was able to say, like, no matter
Speaker 3: how bad you feel about this dynamic, imagine how I feel.
Speaker 3: And that she got to say how hard it is
Speaker 3: to be the footnote in someone else's love story. And
Speaker 3: what I loved that he said to her in response
Speaker 3: is that you gave up feeling like you deserve love.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh god, Oh it cuts deep where
Speaker 3: you go like, maybe that's just not for me. Like
Speaker 3: I've I've had that experience. I've had to come to
Speaker 3: terms with that experience, with reaching a point in life
Speaker 3: where it's like, well, I know I want to be
Speaker 3: a parent, and I know I want partnership, and I
Speaker 3: know I want these things, and I have so much
Speaker 3: love in my life. So maybe maybe it doesn't look
Speaker 3: like it's looked on TV or in movies. Maybe it
Speaker 3: looks like a partnership for the good of others. Maybe
Speaker 3: it looks maybe it looks like different than I thought
Speaker 3: it was going to look like and the real roundabout
Speaker 3: for me, the like aha moment is like we said
Speaker 3: this idea of Martyring. It's it is what Glennan wrote
Speaker 3: her book about. It's like, well, if I'm going to
Speaker 3: be in a relationship or a marriage for my eventual daughter,
Speaker 3: would I want this relationship for my daughter? And I
Speaker 3: think that's a big lesson And I see that in
Speaker 3: my life.
Speaker 4: That's so weird. Can I tell you that that exact
Speaker 4: quote has popped up in my algorithm multiple times in
Speaker 4: the last couple of days and I don't know why.
Speaker 3: By the way, it's been in mine a lot too.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, are they listening to the conversations I'm
Speaker 3: having with Trevor, Like what's going on? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Weird. Yeah, it's like her doing an interview talking about
Speaker 4: that exact excerpt.
Speaker 5: Yes, weird.
Speaker 3: Yes, And like I remember when I first read that book,
Speaker 3: I sent it to my mom and like it gave
Speaker 3: us a whole conversation and my mom and I talked
Speaker 3: about like our family histories and generational trauma and things
Speaker 3: in my parents' relationship and things in the relationships I've
Speaker 3: been in. Like it's such a profound thing of Oh,
Speaker 3: we will make all these We'll pretzel ourselves in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways, but we would never want anyone to
Speaker 3: pretzel our kids. Yeah, Like we don't want them to
Speaker 3: be folded up and made small. And I think the
Speaker 3: reason I love what's happening in this episode so much
Speaker 3: is it rings true for me. It rings true for
Speaker 3: me at the age we filmed it, It rings true
Speaker 3: for me now where I've been. I know it rang
Speaker 3: true for you then, and I know it rings even
Speaker 3: truer for you now, given where you've been in your
Speaker 3: family and with your stories of loss and like that,
Speaker 3: I think is the power of a good story when
Speaker 3: you can go like, oh, all of these things are
Speaker 3: really unique, these storylines, but they're super universal because they're true.
Speaker 4: Well, it'sn't that step that we could do the show
Speaker 4: in our early twenties and then be here in our
Speaker 4: forties still triggered by it. And I think that's why
Speaker 4: our show was a multi generational show. Like, yeah, if
Speaker 4: this were just airing on TV right now, I would
Speaker 4: feel just as connected to this character as I did,
Speaker 4: yes at twenty five five years old.
Speaker 3: Totally agree, And I think that is the magic of
Speaker 3: our show. I think it's why we have you know,
Speaker 3: we get to hang out with all these different groups
Speaker 3: of intergenerational fans when we go to events and stuff.
Speaker 3: Everyone in their forties relates to it, and so does
Speaker 3: everyone in their twenties. And by the way, like so
Speaker 3: to our parents. And I was about to say in
Speaker 3: their sixties. Then I'm like, sure, our parents are in
Speaker 3: their seventies and they're still like totally haraforing.
Speaker 4: Hatey Hamory, you know, like yeah.
Speaker 3: And I just think I think this is the specialness
Speaker 3: of story. And so often when our real stories were
Speaker 3: used on camera it felt gross, But this I actually
Speaker 3: really appreciate for us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I don't mind having a script in life.
Speaker 4: I don't mind having like a practice run. And that's
Speaker 4: what our show really was for us in a lot
Speaker 4: of ways. Like Chad was my first wedding and first
Speaker 4: you know, pregnancy and all this kind of stuff, and
Speaker 4: you just get to you know how people drive around
Speaker 4: in their cars and they have fake conversations just to practice. Yeah,
Speaker 4: do you do that? I do that.
Speaker 3: Oh, I talk to myself and other people who aren't
Speaker 3: here in my house all day all the time.
Speaker 4: You have to practice the conversation. Yeah, you're out the conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Sometimes you got to practice ahead of time, and
Speaker 3: sometimes five years later you're like what I.
Speaker 4: Should have said was and another thing, Oh, I'll bring
Speaker 4: it back up.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this was for a lot of my stuff, Like
Speaker 4: our practice run one Tree Hill, So we practiced.
Speaker 3: And do you ever wonder in like, maybe this is
Speaker 3: kind of up, but do you ever watch our show
Speaker 3: and go like, did this did we like manifest all
Speaker 3: the things that happened to us later? Like did the
Speaker 3: show say to the universe, Oh more of this? Because
Speaker 3: I would have liked to have been like, no, no,
Speaker 3: this is just for work.
Speaker 4: Honestly, we conjured so much unintentionally did this show? Because
Speaker 4: when you when you say things are little witch. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when you say things out loud, that's powerful. You know
Speaker 4: the power of speech is incredibly powerful. And you know
Speaker 4: you when you put your energy into words and ideas
Speaker 4: and thoughts and you do it over and over and
Speaker 4: over again, it ends up happening. It always. If I
Speaker 4: say someone's name three times, you bet your they're gonna
Speaker 4: send me a Facebook message or text me, or just
Speaker 4: can show up at the supermarket. It's a nightmare, so
Speaker 4: I'm really careful what I say. And yeah, with this show,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, having a baby, having pregnancy complications. You know,
Speaker 4: Peyton was all about mom and pop shops, you know,
Speaker 4: the trick of it all to all Ages club, and
Speaker 4: here I am with the town candy store, you know,
Speaker 4: hanging out with all the teenagers. It just feels really cyclical,
Speaker 4: and I like that, and I think it's happening for
Speaker 4: other characters on our show too. You know, when we
Speaker 4: see Nathan and Haley, you know, when we see Mouth
Speaker 4: and Millie even having these like very hard conversations, we
Speaker 4: know the people behind it who have conquered really hard
Speaker 4: things in their life, and we know that maybe this
Speaker 4: was a good practice run for everybody on Adult Ting, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that's something I think is so
Speaker 3: cool is the stages of relationships everyone in. Like Brooke
Speaker 3: and Julian are on the precipice of something and he's
Speaker 3: asking her to leap with him. Peyton and Lucas are
Speaker 3: on the verge of this whole new frontier, and then
Speaker 3: we get to go with Nathan and Haley with our
Speaker 3: other like you know, pillar couple.
Speaker 4: Thank God they're safe.
Speaker 3: Thank God. But by the way, how cute that they're
Speaker 3: in the seven year itch moment and instead of it
Speaker 3: being a problem with their relationship, their relationship is stronger
Speaker 3: than ever. But they're both being really honest that individually
Speaker 3: they don't have what they want yet, that they want
Speaker 3: more of the things that make them as individuals happy.
Speaker 3: Nathan wants to pursue basketball, and because he wants to
Speaker 3: pursue basketball, he knows Haley wants to pursue music. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and like, who could call her on that but him
Speaker 3: and say like, I saw your face. And the reason
Speaker 3: I know the feeling is because I get that feeling.
Speaker 3: I love that he does that for her.
Speaker 4: And this when she says there's only room for one
Speaker 4: attention whrror in this fam, I was like, so good, girl,
Speaker 4: I heard that.
Speaker 3: I heard that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, there's definitely room for two attention whoors in
Speaker 4: every family, but no more, no more? Uh. Yeah. I
Speaker 4: liked that they had that really honest conversation because, first
Speaker 4: of all, when they first show open in that house,
Speaker 4: I'm like, what the are they doing in a house?
Speaker 4: Why didn't they just go to a hotel. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: there's something kinky about being in a for sale house.
Speaker 3: You know, listen, seven years in, we're getting lessons on
Speaker 3: how to keep it spicy.
Speaker 5: You know, we hooked, definitely hooked up in a house
Speaker 5: that was for sale once.
Speaker 4: Because he's on my face.
Speaker 3: I was like, are you gonna say it? Are you
Speaker 3: gonna say it? Because I know the story, that's all.
Speaker 3: I'm so red.
Speaker 4: I'm so proud of you. I'm not embarrassed. We have
Speaker 4: been together for fifteen years. We can do whatever we want.
Speaker 3: I am real proud of you, babe.
Speaker 4: So that's all I could think about, is I watched
Speaker 4: this scene like, get that, Hailey, I get that. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 4: making moves. That's why seven years.
Speaker 3: In that feels right. I also loved again, like when
Speaker 3: we talk about this idea that our characters feel a
Speaker 3: little bit like the first Michael Keaton in Multiplicity, you know,
Speaker 3: like just one copy over. Watching Nathan and Haley run
Speaker 3: around in this house and sort of fantasize about this
Speaker 3: parallel universe life. It feels like they're toying with their
Speaker 3: own little avatars. Oh yeah, what would it look like?
Speaker 3: And talking about what could be?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was interesting to me that she kept
Speaker 4: choosing like movie references. It was like she was trying
Speaker 4: to create a because she didn't grow up necessarily in
Speaker 4: a conventional household. Her parents have sold the house, they're
Speaker 4: living in an RV. You know, she's trying to create
Speaker 4: the fantasy, right, the white picket fence, the old house
Speaker 4: filled up with kids, like it's a very antiquated version
Speaker 4: of what a happy family looks like. And then Nathan
Speaker 4: comes in and is like, but that's not our happy.
Speaker 4: Our happy is mom on the road, which is the
Speaker 4: exact opposite of mother martyrdom, you know, And to have
Speaker 4: the boy recommend that what I want to know, who
Speaker 4: Terry's their therapist? Was our writer? Because yes, by the way, who's.
Speaker 3: That man's therapist? And can Terry maybe write like an
Speaker 3: advice book for dudes, what are we doing?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 4: Like when I had my first miscarriage and Jeff didn't
Speaker 4: know what to do, someone gave me a book that
Speaker 4: was written by a man who had experience, and was
Speaker 4: it helpful? It helped me because all of a sudden
Speaker 4: I understood what he was going through. And then when
Speaker 4: I gave it to him, he didn't feel like an alien,
Speaker 4: you know. So for Terry, yeah, Terry, we need you
Speaker 4: to write a book on all things like how to
Speaker 4: support your partner's career, how to deal with loss, how
Speaker 4: to show up in a way that's helpful and not manipulative.
Speaker 4: Also though, like don't force people to tell you that
Speaker 4: they love you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that was probably a little bit of
Speaker 3: a device to poke the bear, to poke the brook.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we needed Julian. He's not a perfect person. He's
Speaker 4: not good, he's not bad, he's just trying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and you don't always get it right, and
Speaker 3: that is something that I think is actually so important
Speaker 3: to show on TV because part of the problem, like
Speaker 3: when you talk about what Hayley's trying to achieve, you
Speaker 3: watch those rom coms and you think that's what your
Speaker 3: life is supposed to be like, and that's not life.
Speaker 3: It's not that easy. And I actually like when our
Speaker 3: characters don't always get it right and then they figure
Speaker 3: out how to get through it, because that's what we learn. Like,
Speaker 3: that's what you're talking about with this book. You guys
Speaker 3: got it taught you how to get it more right
Speaker 3: with each other because you didn't know how yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for anybody that is going through something like that, though,
Speaker 4: we should.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna yeah, what is the book?
Speaker 4: It's called Vessels And Okay. It was so incredibly helpful,
Speaker 4: not just in this but in like my home marriage.
Speaker 4: It is a book by Daniel Rayburn.
Speaker 5: R AE b U r N.
Speaker 4: It's wonderful. It was a really it was a really
Speaker 4: helped book because I do think the boys get a
Speaker 4: bad rap. You know, they're not necessarily given a ton
Speaker 4: of great examples of how to be involved in their
Speaker 4: partner's hard stuff. It's almost like they're given this choice,
Speaker 4: like you can either be overbearing and man's plain and
Speaker 4: tell her what to do, or just be so hands
Speaker 4: off that she's abandoned.
Speaker 3: That she's like I can't believe I did this with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Nathan could very easily say like, whatever you want, Haley,
Speaker 4: whatever you want. Yeah, but he's involving himself. He's got
Speaker 4: a lot on his plate. She's coming to him with
Speaker 4: this problem of like, hey, so I got suspended. Sorry
Speaker 4: I didn't tell you, but maybe let's just change our
Speaker 4: whole life right now. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like when you go through when someone
Speaker 3: goes through a breakup and they cut bangs and you're
Speaker 3: like no, no, no, I went through that in my
Speaker 3: in my crew, in my crew, well, I mean I've
Speaker 3: done it, but no, this summer, like with everybody, everybody
Speaker 3: I know was either getting divorced or having a baby.
Speaker 3: I was like, well it's a wild but in like
Speaker 3: my closest crew, of the five of us, now it's
Speaker 3: four who one stayed and four didn't who were all
Speaker 3: getting divorced. My best friend called and was like, so
Speaker 3: is today the day I get bangs? And I was like,
Speaker 3: We've been doing this dance for fifteen years. We do
Speaker 3: not go through a breakup and cut bangs. We're not
Speaker 3: doing this. And so I wound up getting our friend Ricky,
Speaker 3: who is like our big consulting, wonderful hairdresser. When we
Speaker 3: did our salon and Detroit. We called Ricky and I
Speaker 3: was like, Ricky, I need you to order nia instead
Speaker 3: of clip in bangs so she can clip them in
Speaker 3: on the days that she thinks that she wants these
Speaker 3: and then she can take them out because I know
Speaker 3: her as well as I know myself, and she never
Speaker 3: is happy three days after she cuts up. We've done
Speaker 3: this twice in the last decade, and so now we
Speaker 3: both have clip and banks Sophia.
Speaker 4: If you don't launch a line of brook Banks, I
Speaker 4: am gonna be so mad at you. You have been
Speaker 4: talking about clip and bangs for years.
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with them. I know it's like the easiest
Speaker 3: way to have a change.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you don't, if you don't get on that,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be furious with you.
Speaker 3: Okay, who do we talk to? Do you want to help?
Speaker 4: Well? Apparently your friend who can make bangs? Yeah, I
Speaker 4: just need someone with like a little gray stripe right here,
Speaker 4: a little white stripe. Yeah. Brook Banks are gonna be
Speaker 4: a huge seller at Target, my friend, no one else
Speaker 4: is selling just like bangs.
Speaker 3: Oh They're all I want.
Speaker 4: Just put them in the same aisle as all the
Speaker 4: shampoo and hair products and stuff at these like big stores,
Speaker 4: and every woman that's like got that one hour to
Speaker 4: herself between work and kid pick up is just gonna
Speaker 4: be like.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna try them.
Speaker 4: I just need a bang.
Speaker 3: We just need like a like what what are the
Speaker 3: ends of the aisles Kiosk?
Speaker 4: You just need a little Kiosks aisle.
Speaker 3: Cap I want that.
Speaker 4: You're gonna make so much money on this idea.
Speaker 3: Me and Sally Hanson, let's go.
Speaker 4: I love new nails, new bangs. Knew you. I can
Speaker 4: love it so much. I do want bangs just because
Speaker 4: I do too.
Speaker 3: Wait, speaking of changes that people make, this is sort
Speaker 3: of a hard left, but sort of not.
Speaker 4: No, I know, are you getting lasick? Lasic?
Speaker 3: The lasik is a big old change because when when
Speaker 3: mouth finds her glasses in the drawer, like this old
Speaker 3: piece of her has been left behind, I'm.
Speaker 4: It really hit me.
Speaker 3: It made me like, it made my little voice catch
Speaker 3: in my throat.
Speaker 4: You know what I liked about it. My gut reaction
Speaker 4: when she said I got lasick was that she did
Speaker 4: this thing.
Speaker 5: She didn't consult him.
Speaker 4: She you know, it's a cosmetic procedure, but she made
Speaker 4: this decision completely on her own, the same way she
Speaker 4: did with her virginity. She didn't consult anyone. And there
Speaker 4: seems to be this gradual building of Milly where she
Speaker 4: doesn't need permission for sure. And when he's like, I
Speaker 4: missed the glasses, had she asked him should I get lasik?
Speaker 4: And he said no, I like the glasses. An old
Speaker 4: Millie that would have altered her decision, But new Milly's
Speaker 4: like I'm not gonna ask anybody. I just don't want
Speaker 4: to wear these things in my face anymore.
Speaker 3: Mm hm. And I'm wondering. I'm like, did I can't remember,
Speaker 3: did Lisa actually get lasik during those episodes she was
Speaker 3: off because remember we were all getting lasik done by
Speaker 3: Mike Lehon's wife.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kayleone.
Speaker 3: I'm like, did Kate fix her eyes? Like I don't
Speaker 3: know prior to this episode? I'm so cute.
Speaker 4: Were Lisa's glasses ever real?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Okay, they were real? Interesting? No? Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 4: I like it for Millie. You know, it's a little
Speaker 4: she's all that taking the glasses off and being infinitely
Speaker 4: like hotter.
Speaker 5: Now she's she's not a virgin anymore.
Speaker 3: Look at her. She's in high boots and silk and
Speaker 3: there's cleavage.
Speaker 4: She was she was in a brook Davis Tyler sugar.
Speaker 3: I love that top.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it looked fantastic. And I was like, why don't
Speaker 4: we still have blouses like that? Because I liked how
Speaker 4: they hug your tits, but they're not snug on my
Speaker 4: belly because I don't like snug on my belly.
Speaker 3: I don't either. I want to be able to eat
Speaker 3: a burrito and have people not ask me if I'm pregnant.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna sell bangs and hugging shirts, but but
Speaker 4: leave that belly free.
Speaker 5: Okay, God, Sophia, we have so many things to do
Speaker 5: business wise.
Speaker 3: I just love this.
Speaker 4: No. I I like that Mouth apologized to her. I
Speaker 4: like that he copped to the text messages and was like,
Speaker 4: I am accepting ownership of this. And I also like
Speaker 4: that it still wasn't enough for Milly because she was like, I, okay,
Speaker 4: you're sorry, Like, okay, but this is my stuff. This
Speaker 4: I have to deal with this in my head, like
Speaker 4: I don't need your permission to forgive myself. I need
Speaker 4: to handle me. There's just again, it's like an autonomy
Speaker 4: story where she is centered in herself. It was great. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I hated for her. I feel bad, but she looks
Speaker 4: hot and seems like she's on the right path, and
Speaker 4: I guess I'm not worried about her. I know she's
Speaker 4: crying in her car, but sometimes we do that for fun.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you just need a good cry.
Speaker 4: Girl. If a Celindion song comes on, hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: feel some things.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: Little Pola Cole, Oh, come on.
Speaker 3: O'Connor, come on, just like the old emo girl songstresses.
Speaker 3: I want to hurt my my my girlfriend Betty, who
Speaker 3: just covers So did you see the pole cover? I
Speaker 3: just that's why I said, Oh god, I know killed me.
Speaker 3: I was like, more of this, please, we got to
Speaker 3: send it to all our Dawson's friends.
Speaker 4: It is really really good. Do we think they're going
Speaker 4: to get back together? He kept He kept the glasses
Speaker 4: in the drawer, which I like because when men leave
Speaker 4: things planted in their apartment, it means they don't plan
Speaker 4: on bringing anything new over or they're sadistic. But I
Speaker 4: don't think Mouth cisadis. I don't think I don't either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm as much as I don't love the way
Speaker 3: that they've written some of this stuff for Mouth. I
Speaker 3: just I like Mouth and Milling together. I think. I
Speaker 3: think my my hope is that they get past you know,
Speaker 3: im petulant writing.
Speaker 4: Because he's already said even though Terry wrote really like
Speaker 4: lovely things for him to say in this episode, he
Speaker 4: said some eightish previous episodes, and it's like.
Speaker 3: It was not cool.
Speaker 4: Oh it's hard to it's hard to get over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will say, though, what I do really appreciate
Speaker 3: is him him owning his behavior. Finally, you know, I
Speaker 3: felt like that was a really long time coming.
Speaker 4: Well, was that another dig at our boss? You said
Speaker 4: on the last episode that Mike Harrow was taking digs
Speaker 4: at our boss with all of the like creepy director behavior.
Speaker 4: And so there's a part of me, with all this
Speaker 4: text message talk that makes me think that maybe Terry
Speaker 4: was playing the same card because the text messages were relentless.
Speaker 3: Well and the and the text messages, like Gigi's entire
Speaker 3: storyline is our boss is fantasy of how he wishes
Speaker 3: women would throw themselves at him. So yeah, I wonder,
Speaker 3: I wonder if there's some sort of role reversal call
Speaker 3: out happening with mouth there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just even like participating in that when you're in
Speaker 5: a relationship is no bueno.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and I don't I don't know what was
Speaker 3: happening in season six, but I definitely know, you know,
Speaker 3: some of our sweet friends who come in next season,
Speaker 3: I do know that one of the things our Boss
Speaker 3: would do to them a lot would be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: send me a picture of your fitting, Like I want
Speaker 3: to see what the outfits are, Like, you know, wardrobe
Speaker 3: is slow, and then it would be like, well, you know,
Speaker 3: but you've got you've got a scene, you have a
Speaker 3: love scene with so and so, Like what are the
Speaker 3: underwear options? And he would essentially, like, under the guise
Speaker 3: of meaning to pick wardrobe, like, would force women to
Speaker 3: send photos of themselves in underwear to him?
Speaker 4: Are you kidding?
Speaker 3: I'm not so. I wonder. I wonder if I wonder
Speaker 3: if he had tried to pull that with any of
Speaker 3: our sweet little guest stars this season, and if that
Speaker 3: was part of the gig of it all. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'd be very curious to ask. Also, I'm just like,
Speaker 3: what a loser like you really have nothing better to
Speaker 3: do with the whole Internet at your disposal? Like why
Speaker 3: do you have to bumb people?
Speaker 4: Are you professionals at your disposal?
Speaker 3: Internet at your disposal to find whatever kind of pictures
Speaker 3: you're looking for? Why you gotta why you've got to
Speaker 3: make people.
Speaker 5: On take your kink elsewhere?
Speaker 4: Sir?
Speaker 3: Thank you? You know what kind of kink we like?
Speaker 3: Cutie couples in the houses, what kind of kinks we
Speaker 3: don't be in? A creep people who don't want you
Speaker 3: to be a creep in their cell phones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't be a cell phone creep. Tap, Dan's being
Speaker 4: a creep.
Speaker 3: The flip, dude, the flip, And it was exactly what
Speaker 3: we talked about last week. We love Dan Scott so much.
Speaker 3: In these moments, we can't believe it. He seems different.
Speaker 3: And then the flip on Deb. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 3: there he is.
Speaker 4: He almost got us, didn't he.
Speaker 3: He almost got us? We knew better.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, this is why I don't trust my judgment every time.
Speaker 4: We fall for it every time with Dan Scott. Oh,
Speaker 4: how come you and Nan or nanny Deb aren't together?
Speaker 4: And you're thinking, I get it, Jamie. I'd want them
Speaker 4: to get.
Speaker 3: Back together too, because you love them both so much.
Speaker 4: And then Deb is like not today, and then he
Speaker 4: blames her. We need to be more, Deb, We need
Speaker 4: to be like no, I'm gonna hate you forever and
Speaker 4: then ten more years after forever. Yeah, she's cold. I
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: You know what I call that? I call that a
Speaker 3: strong boundary. Thank you, Trevor, Thanks Trevor.
Speaker 4: I appreciate your therapist, Trevor, because I get like the
Speaker 4: trickle down effect where now you talk me off my ledges.
Speaker 4: It works out great for everybody.
Speaker 3: It's been it's been wonderful.
Speaker 4: Did you think when deb was looking at that photo
Speaker 4: album that she was going to make a pass down
Speaker 4: or something?
Speaker 3: I caught myself holding my breath. Yeah, right, yeah, I
Speaker 3: was like, what is this? What's happening? Are we reminiscing? What?
Speaker 4: What? And then I see, you know what she was doing.
Speaker 4: She was compartmentalizing the way that we do where we're like,
Speaker 4: everything's fine, it's great. I I hold you, but you'd
Speaker 4: never know anything makes sense.
Speaker 3: I'm fantasizing about plotting your death, but you'd never know.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, yeah, Deb, she's a great actress.
Speaker 4: Deb Well.
Speaker 3: And the shock then, because they really get into it
Speaker 3: and it gets heightened and heightened and and it starts
Speaker 3: in this sweet memory right with Disney. So then the
Speaker 3: photo album makes sense and you're kind of like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, what's happening. Is this family finding some semblance
Speaker 3: of healing? And do we want that? And then she
Speaker 3: slaps him with it and then he really just god,
Speaker 3: he comes back to her. Yeah, he comes back in
Speaker 3: full force and he grabs her and he's vicious, and
Speaker 3: then in walks the kid with the beeper and you go.
Speaker 4: Now, right when she says, I can't wait for you
Speaker 4: to die, like that makes me believe in justice God.
Speaker 4: All right boy, yeah, well look, we all know what's
Speaker 4: going to happen. It's one of the most legendary moments
Speaker 4: in Tree Hill history, and I can't wait to talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 3: Oh that poor dog.
Speaker 4: What was your honorable mention for this episode?
Speaker 3: Honestly, for me, I'd give the honorable mention to Terry,
Speaker 3: to our writer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: He did such a beautiful job.
Speaker 4: He really my gallows humor. And so my honorable mention
Speaker 4: is for the specific lines where Peyton's like, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna haunt your ass. But just she says, think about
Speaker 4: how much Jake Jigelski single dad tail, You're gonna get
Speaker 4: it right, the Jake Chigelski reference in the midst of
Speaker 4: this super traumatic talk.
Speaker 3: It's so funny, guys.
Speaker 4: This is why I'm always making like horrible jokes right
Speaker 4: when we're about to get really vulnerable, because like, that's
Speaker 4: what they did to me on this show. They just
Speaker 4: ingrained this morbid sense of I love it, fuck it up.
Speaker 3: I love it, I need it because I'll, you know,
Speaker 3: I'll sit and talk about feelings all day. I need
Speaker 3: you to be like, shut up and drink this.
Speaker 4: Drink Yin and Yang. I hope you all have your
Speaker 4: Yin and Yang partner. Uh out there in the world.
Speaker 4: We have a question, baby, what's our question here? Uh?
Speaker 3: It's from Jamie. If you girls had a cheer coach
Speaker 3: in the earlier seasons, who would you have liked to
Speaker 3: cast for that role?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Fun, Okay, So I had some real cheer coaches, and
Speaker 4: I'm that really stood out to me. And I'm trying
Speaker 4: to think of, like who their celebrity counterpart was. I
Speaker 4: had Linda Harmon, who was like the tiniest little Italian
Speaker 4: woman who would just tear our asses up. I mean,
Speaker 4: she was terrifying. But we were the best. We were
Speaker 4: the best cheerleading squad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you lived to impress her.
Speaker 4: Oh God, I don't know why.
Speaker 3: And maybe this is just because we are so nostalgic
Speaker 3: for them because we've met them now and they've been
Speaker 3: so kind to us. But what I would give for
Speaker 3: like another iconic teen show actress, Like imagine if Tiffany
Speaker 3: Theeson or Jenny Garth, Yeah, had been our cheer coach,
Speaker 3: like someone from nine o two and zero or saved
Speaker 3: by the belt like Kelly Kapowski is our cheer coach.
Speaker 4: Come on, yeah, that would have crushed for shit.
Speaker 3: I would have flipped.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket, that's the wair.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I like that. I mean, you know how much she
Speaker 4: meant to me in real life being able to kind
Speaker 4: of coach me after leaving this show having a All
Speaker 4: my coaches were like grown ups, like moms. They were older,
Speaker 4: but having a chick that's only like eight years older
Speaker 4: than you, ten years older than you. Yeah, they're close
Speaker 4: enough to what you're going through that they're not going
Speaker 4: to talk down to you.
Speaker 3: Well, and it would have been such a cool person
Speaker 3: to have on the show because for anyone who doesn't
Speaker 3: want to go to a parent with a problem, you
Speaker 3: have this older peer. It's like a real intergenerational friendship.
Speaker 3: I would have really liked that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the right answer.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: In a parallel universe, our cheer leading avatars.
Speaker 4: Are with her.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tiffany's the best. There's just nobody cooler.
Speaker 4: Let's spin a wheel, all right. We have a most
Speaker 4: likely too.
Speaker 3: Oh, most likely to buy a motorcycle without telling their partner.
Speaker 3: I mean he's not on our show, but that's your husband.
Speaker 4: He's literally walking in the door right now, come here,
Speaker 4: we just you know how we do most likely too.
Speaker 4: On the podcast we just spun the wheel and the
Speaker 4: question is who is most likely to buy a motorcycle
Speaker 4: without telling their partner? And Sophie it's like, it's you.
Speaker 3: I said, he's not on our show, but it's Jeffrey,
Speaker 3: hi show.
Speaker 4: I just bought a car with us. Oh stop it,
Speaker 4: get out?
Speaker 3: What did he did? He really?
Speaker 4: Yeah, my husband wasn't on the show, but he almost
Speaker 4: was his uncle Keith. But is it Craig Sheffer then
Speaker 4: is a chef you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Scheffer would probably do.
Speaker 4: That because didn't we see pictures of him riding motorcycles
Speaker 4: with his daughter Willow? Yes, yeah it's chef, it's uncle Keith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I don't think any of the other boys
Speaker 3: ride motorcycles.
Speaker 4: Well, Austin always would show up to like lunch in
Speaker 4: La on a. That's right, he thought it was a motorcycle.
Speaker 4: I was like, Austin, what is this girl bike?
Speaker 2: Kerra?
Speaker 3: Well he had that old he bought like one of
Speaker 3: those cool old vintage Triumphs and I think it like
Speaker 3: never started and then he him and Patty did that
Speaker 3: trip to Italy and he was like, Vesmas are cool
Speaker 3: and we were all like, are they?
Speaker 4: I listen, I'm so mean to party all that, and
Speaker 4: that just means that I love him so much. I'm
Speaker 4: rough on him.
Speaker 3: You tease him the most, probably because we talk to
Speaker 3: him the most.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, yeah, it feels right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You gotta punch your brotherly figures every once in.
Speaker 4: A while because he's cute. He's cute. It's like you
Speaker 4: hit the cute boy. I'm sorry. Season six, episode eighteen.
Speaker 4: Next week, searching for a former clarity fingers crossed, we survive.
Speaker 3: The titles really make me nervous Sometimes I'm like, does
Speaker 3: that mean it's going to be a bummer. I don't know.
Speaker 3: We'll see, friends, thanks for joining us. We will. We
Speaker 3: will see if we get joy from Sofia next week.
Speaker 3: You guys, I'm never gonna get over it. I don't
Speaker 3: know why. It makes me laugh so much.
Speaker 4: You have to go. I want to go Sofia and
Speaker 4: Sofia me.
Speaker 3: And my town. I've never been to Bulgaria. I would
Speaker 3: like to go.
Speaker 4: If someone can find me a town named Hillary, that's
Speaker 4: your project, America okay, gonuts.
Speaker 3: If you liked the outdoors, we could get you a
Speaker 3: bunch of like snowboarding gear from Burton. But you don't
Speaker 3: want that.
Speaker 4: You want me to christ I would take.
Speaker 3: You, but I know you won't go with me, So
Speaker 3: it's fine.
Speaker 4: I'll go one day, all right.
Speaker 3: One time.
Speaker 4: You heard it here, folks, she promised, I love you.
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