1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,320 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 2: Well, music sometimes does. This. Music comes at you laterally, 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 2: It's almost like a bank shot, and it somehow gets 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: in a little deeper because your defense as are down 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: and you're embracing the beauty of whatever the song is, 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: and then suddenly the meaning creeps up on you and 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: it's too late. It's already in there and bringing these feelings. 8 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: I'm Lynn Hoffman, your host of the Music Saved Me podcast, 9 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 3: where we showcase the healing power of music up close 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 3: with musicians and their personal stories. Our podcast is proud 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 3: to collaborate with Musicians on Call and the great work 12 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: they do, and this episode really brings it all full circle. 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: Charles Eston is our guest. He is an actor a musician, 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: and he is known for his screenwork in the TV 15 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 3: show Nashville Outer Banks from Netflix, and of course his 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: great music. Charles is also a well known active supporter 17 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: of Musicians on Call and we'll hear firsthand from him 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: about how music has healing forces. 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Charles, Welcome to Music Saved Me. 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: My first question is do you believe that music has 21 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: special healing powers, especially for those with mental, physical and 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 3: emotional problems. 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that. I simply believe it at 24 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: this point. It's something I've come to know. It is true. 25 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: I've just seen it too many times, not too I 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: think that's the case. I've seen it happen with my 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: work with musicians on call, the difference that can be 28 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: made walking into a hospital room, which is by necessity 29 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: a cold place, a very sterile place, and there's something 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: about bringing that acoustic guitar in there and just strumming 31 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: a few of those strings and playing a song that 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: that patient loves or means something to that patient. You 33 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: can feel everything that change. And that's not just with 34 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: musicians aren't call. I've seen it again and again my 35 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: time on the show Nashville, where I played the character 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: of Deacon Cleveland, a guy that went through a whole 37 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: lot of things. I've found that in the years since, 38 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: people come up to me and they talk not just 39 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: about the character, but about those songs and how they 40 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: touched them. So, I mean, from the time I was 41 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 2: a kid, I noticed it, and just as I've gotten older, 42 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: it's just improven again and again to me. And that 43 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 2: doesn't mean I understand it. I know that it exists. 44 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: It's a magic that's beyond my understanding. 45 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: That would be amazing if you could understand it, because 46 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: it would be wonderful if we could explain what it is. 47 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: You just can't quite touch it, but you know it's there. 48 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: I do have a couple theories about it. Actually, this 49 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: isn't totally understanding, but one of the things that came 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: to me is that so often when we're dealing with 51 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 2: our own pain, we're dealing with us own stories and situations, 52 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: it's hard to look them directly in the eye and 53 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: to face right up to the thing that's hardest for you, 54 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: the most difficult part of your life, or your heart, 55 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: or your memories. It's hard to go face to face 56 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: with that. And what music sometimes does is music comes 57 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: at you laterally. It's almost like a bank shot, and 58 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: it's it's it's somehow gets in a little deeper because 59 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: your defenses are down and you're embracing the beauty of 60 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: whatever the song is, and then suddenly the meaning creeps 61 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: up on you and it's it's too late. It's already 62 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: in there and bringing these feelings and sometimes they are 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: heard painful feelings, but I found mostly their cathartic and 64 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: they're they're they're you know, good tears kind of a thing, 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: so that that doesn't go any real way to explaining 66 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 2: the why of it, but it's it's some of the 67 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: how of it, I think definitely. 68 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: Do you think it's the I don't want to say vibration, 69 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: but you know, the melody or is it the words? 70 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: Is it a combination of both? 71 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's anytime you go try to give one of 72 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: those things, I think it has to be both. I'm 73 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: a I'm a yes and guy, because I mean, it's 74 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 2: been proven a certain frequency, certain chord, certain uh, which 75 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: the word when you're going from one chord to the other, progression, 76 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: certain chord progressions, sending melodies things like this, lifting melodies 77 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: that they have that power. And of course, clearly you 78 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: don't need lyrics. Anybody that's ever listened to bicycle music 79 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 2: and been moved to tears by it, uh Beethoven, but 80 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: they didn't need the hooks or the catchy phrases in 81 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: there at all, and and now they do so many 82 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 2: great and modern artists as well, or whether whatever type 83 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: of music movies are the most Having said that, the music, 84 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: when you put them together, I mean, it reminds me 85 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: very much the Nashville show that I was on. What 86 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 2: we came to find is that when you were doing 87 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: a scene with just standard dialogue, even if it was 88 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: wonderfully written dialogue, you reach a point where you've sort 89 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 2: of said all you can say. But then when you 90 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: pull out the guitar and go to a song, it 91 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: just takes it to another place, to a deeper, more 92 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: resonant place that you couldn't get there on the front. 93 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 2: So I think that might be true. There's obviously poetry 94 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 2: that can really really move you. I think that was 95 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: probably more ascendant in past centuries or decades. We don't 96 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 2: read quite as much poetry as we used to. Our 97 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: poetry poets all are putting it to music these days mostly. 98 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 2: But what happens is those words which are if they're 99 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: done correctly, and they somehow speak out the truth that 100 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: you feel very very deeply, that's so powerful. And then 101 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 2: those chords come in and those sounds, whether it's a 102 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: guitar or a piano or whatever instrument you're on, the 103 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: combination of the two is what drove Nashville, and it's 104 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: what drives I think songs to find their place so 105 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: deep in our hearts. 106 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 3: How does it make you feel when when your music 107 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: deeply connects with your audience. 108 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 2: Let's just say that you just asking that question put 109 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: something through me and made my eyes well a little bit, 110 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: just that question because me, that's the everything of it. 111 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 2: That's the especially not being saying anything bad about myself. 112 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: It's just I'm likely to be winning any Grammys or 113 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: having any massive chart success, and to be fair, I 114 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: don't know that I deserve any I'm not. There's far 115 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 2: more skilled musicians. I say it. I say it on 116 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 2: stage all the time. If you're looking for perfect you 117 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: might want to listen to someone else. I'm not aiming 118 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: at perfection. I am at connection. And what you just 119 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: describers asked about is connection that thing where something that 120 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: I've noticed about my human journey doesn't just click, but 121 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 2: really resonates with somebody else in their journey and opens 122 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: up a part of them that it makes them feel something. 123 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: I think, honestly, in all my what I've come to 124 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: find out is that in all the different things I do, 125 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: whether it's acting, the acting or the comedy or the 126 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: music or the writing, all of those things. When I 127 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: was just a kid, my father asked me what I 128 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: wanted to be when I grew up, and I'm certain 129 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: he was expecting firemen or astronaut or something like that. 130 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: And I said a clown. And he was a little confused. 131 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: And this is, by the way, before clowns were creeping 132 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: and you know, but yeah, he said, why do you 133 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: want to be a clown? And he told me the story. 134 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: I didn't recall it, and I always say, and it 135 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: must have been like four three or four, and I said, 136 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: I want to make people laugh. And looking back, you know, 137 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: I was I'm a child of divorce along as my sister, 138 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: and I'm my parents' divorce. And I was, I guess 139 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: the summer before third grade, so whatever, I guess, I 140 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: was like eight, maybe almost nine, but not quite. In 141 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: any event, there was a lot of strife and tension 142 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: and and I think I felt a lot of that, 143 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: and I just wanted to make everybody happy and smile 144 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: and laugh. So that was the earliest I can remember. 145 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 2: I've even been told about something like that. And later, 146 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: even at a very young age, I remember writing a 147 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 2: song that really moved somebody that was about my grandmother 148 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: when when she passed, and I remember noticing that too, 149 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 2: and I think what I've come to find out all 150 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: these years later, is yeah, I wanted to make them laugh, 151 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: but then later you know, playing Deacon, I wanted to 152 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: make them cry, and then playing more Cameron on oither Banks, 153 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: I want to make them jump out of their seats, 154 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 2: and playing my music, I want to make them laugh. 155 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 2: I have some songs that make people laugh, and I 156 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: have some songs that make people cry. And in the 157 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 2: end I realized what it is is I just I 158 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: really want to make people feel something. So that is 159 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: the longer answer to your short question. It's hard to describe. 160 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: It's everything to me. If you can make someone feel something, 161 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: and especially something feeling, moving, cleansing, any of those things, 162 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 2: you know, that's that's everything to me. That's my Grammy. 163 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: It must mean a lot to you because you are 164 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: very much involved with an organization called Musicians on Call, 165 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: And I'm curious what drove you to that important work, 166 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: because it is very important work that you're doing. 167 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: You and a lot of other musicians, well, thank you. 168 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember how many years now I've been 169 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: a part of Musicians on Call it were, and I 170 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 2: think I'm getting closer. Ken I might be slightly less 171 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: in it. My wife from the background is my firm, 172 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: calendars and all things important. She says, it's around eight 173 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: or nine. So, yeah, I'm nearing ten years. And I 174 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: remember early on, I guess, they just asked me if 175 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: I would do a visit. I believe it was at 176 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 2: the Veteran's hospital here in town, and they said, just 177 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 2: bring your guitar. And it's amazing, amazing things where you're 178 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 2: escorted with somebody from musicians on call. You don't want 179 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 2: to just be jumping into the hospital rooms playing your guitar. 180 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: They are in touch with all the nursing staff on 181 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: the hall, and then they go one by one and 182 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: ask all the people that seem like the candidates if 183 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: they'd be interested in having somebody come play guitar, And 184 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: certainly many of them are just not in the place 185 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: where they would not want to hear that right there, 186 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: so they say no, thank you, but a whole time 187 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: say yes, please it wholeheartedly. Some say it like okay, 188 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 2: I guess, And then I remember just going in there 189 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 2: and sitting beside a hospital bed, and this is somebody 190 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: who sometimes hasn't been out of this hospital in weeks 191 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: or a couple of months even, and it's you know, 192 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 2: the same stuff every day, and then finally that you 193 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: don't know exactly what you're going to do. You're looking 194 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 2: for that connection. I don't know what songs are meaningful 195 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: to this person. I don't know if they're the ones 196 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: I'm playing. I don't Sometimes they knew me from Nashville, 197 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 2: sometimes they didn't. Sometimes instantly a smile would pop up 198 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: on their face and off we go. Other times, I 199 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: remember there was a gentleman, an older gentleman, and life 200 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: was hard right then, so he wasn't able to just 201 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: do that. But I kept looking for the point of connection, 202 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 2: for the thing that would resonate with him. And it's 203 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: funny I say that, because it is a musical thing, 204 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 2: like it's, you know, strings resonate, tops resonate, and so 205 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 2: in some sense we're instruments, just like those instruments, and 206 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: you're just looking for the thing, the tuning fork that 207 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 2: between the two of you that makes it resonate, brings 208 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: little harmony to that room. And suddenly I was. I 209 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: just kept asking him about him, and he shared that 210 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 2: before he went, and I think the Vietnam it was 211 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: he had been the guy or mainly might not even 212 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: been creating that. He was probably Vietnam, but he'd been 213 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: driving around mostly Texas and Oklahoma in those areas, and 214 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: he was the guy that would refill the jukeboxes with 215 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 2: forty fives, and so I was like, well, which can 216 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: you remember which which ones you'd be filling it? And 217 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: he just started naming some songs and the Hank Williams 218 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: song here or something like that. So I just I 219 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: just do my best to the Hank that that Hank 220 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: Williams song, and pretty soon by the end of it, 221 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: he's singing along and he's calling out requesting other ones, 222 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: and it's a bit of a time machine music. It 223 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: can just take you back for a little while. We 224 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: weren't in that room anymore. We were just driving around 225 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: Texas dropping off forty fives for jukeboxes. And so I 226 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 2: remember that was one of my first visits, and once 227 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: that had happened, I was absolutely and utterly hooked. And 228 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: from there I've done many more since then, and including 229 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: I mean, if you want to really see where the 230 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 2: truth of all this is is hospice centers. My mind 231 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: has been blown at the power of music in that situation, 232 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: because that's the place where everything else falls away. All 233 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: of the things we think are so important there, so 234 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: crucial and meaningful, just meaning less in there. However, music 235 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 2: somehow holds up. It doesn't wither, it doesn't It's not 236 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: one of the things that flags or falls away. It's 237 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: as powerful, maybe even more powerful. So I've been sitting 238 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 2: I've had this thought more than once. By a hospital 239 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 2: better by a hospice bed. The thought went through my head. Oh, 240 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: this is why I learned the guitar. This is why 241 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: I learned how to write songs and how to play 242 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: and sing songs. Man, I believe me. I love those 243 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: big stages and those big audiences, and I've played some 244 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: incredible venues, but nothing like that. That's just next level. 245 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: So when I think of the fact that that is 246 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: so true, and then the musician John Carl is doing 247 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: that on such the wide scale, broad scale, organized scale. 248 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: When COVID hit, they were incredible. They just went right 249 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: to the online and to the remote and the virtual concerts. 250 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: It was just they had been very, very wisely then 251 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: setting that up, not knowing what was to come, and 252 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: then boom it hit, and so they were able to 253 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 2: carry on and we were able to make those connections online. 254 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 2: But even before that, the one, the terrible shooting in Vegas, 255 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: what happened at the Harvest festival there, It was like 256 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: only a couple of days later, maybe a week at most, 257 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: and they called me up and asked if I and 258 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: a couple other artists would hop on a plane, and 259 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: we flew out and went to the hospital there, and 260 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: we're playing songs for these people. But I'm playing. I'm 261 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: sitting by a bed, playing country music for people that 262 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: the last time they heard country music they were being 263 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: shot at. And I'm telling you, you feel like you're 264 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: walking And they're like, are you sure you want me 265 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: to do this? Are you sure this? I don't know. 266 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if music is enough right now at 267 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: this moment, but you get in there and it is 268 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: because what else is? What else is there? You have? 269 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: You know, your faith, your family, and your friends, and 270 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 2: then there's this thing called music. And they were obviously 271 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: all huge music fans, country music fans, to even be 272 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 2: there on that day. And it's some of these moments, 273 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 2: I mean, they're nothing short or sacred and holy. So 274 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: I don't want to share all of them, but I 275 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: mean I've played in a room for people that were 276 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: unconscious because their mother and father were there with their brother. 277 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: And so in that instance, you're playing for whatever that 278 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 2: person might hear in their sleep, or you're also playing 279 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: for the family that just needs a moment of something 280 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: moving or beautiful in that moment. I'm not that any 281 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: song I do is necessarily beautiful. I don't mean in 282 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: that way, but music itself is beautiful. And then on 283 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: top of that, by the way, I'm not even mentioning 284 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: what it means for the healthcare workers, for those healthcare 285 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 2: workers in Vegas who were just men and women like 286 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: you and I, and they were traumatized too, and so 287 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: just to get to hear this song that transports them somehow. 288 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I could go on and on 289 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: about it. And the beautiful thing about musicians our call 290 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: is your first question, ken it you do believe it 291 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: can have an impact or move things or change things 292 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 2: or helped that. They have not only said yes, but 293 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 2: they've they've proven it again and again and put it 294 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: into the purest action. Sound grateful for them. 295 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: It's certainly a lot different than you know, playing the 296 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 3: grand old opry. You know, I mean, you really do 297 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 3: feel that just by the way you're telling the story. 298 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: You get that impact immediately, and it's good for you 299 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: and it's good for everybody. 300 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: It flows the other way too. What it's reminded me 301 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: of is I remember, at some point I realized that 302 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: if you see somebody with a cast on their leg 303 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 2: and they're on crutches, everybody's like, oh, oh my gosh, 304 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 2: how are you? How are you doing it? Okay? If 305 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 2: you see someone in the hospital, you're the same way. 306 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: You're like, oh, yeah, I mayre playing music. What we 307 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: forget is that everybody's got a cast on somewhere around 308 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 2: your heart or on you. You know, everybody's got something 309 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 2: that you know, sometimes we're doing great, but in any 310 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: given group of people, there's a whole lot of people 311 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: who are hurting as much as anybody in that hospital 312 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: or is anybody with a cast on their leg or anything. 313 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: So in any opry audience, you're a ministering to moving, 314 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 2: eliciting some emotion that is helpful or blessing somebody. It's 315 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 2: just an absolute sure thing to me. And now you 316 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: just wrap your head around the fact that how far 317 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: that the WSM and kind of beams that music. If 318 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 2: you think back in the day to a guy named 319 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: Hank Williams standing on that stage singing the love Sick 320 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 2: Blues or singing your Cheating Heart, and those notes and 321 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: that you know twang going out over those airwaves to 322 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 2: the smallest towns and the smallest cities and that and 323 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: the people that had nothing but that radio. And that's 324 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: why it became the grand ole opera in this country 325 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: music became country music is because it's you know, medicine, 326 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: it's heart medicine. And so just because you're not in 327 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: that hospital room, it's important to remember that you're always 328 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: doing that. So if I'm saying something funny in my mind, 329 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 2: I'm singing it funny to that person that could sure 330 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: use a laugh. Or if I'm saying something that's very moving, 331 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to go, let's let's move that person, and 332 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 2: hopefully there'll be some you know, cleansing tears or some 333 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: things that you know that this helps. 334 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: It's a whole new meaning of you have to take 335 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: your meds. 336 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: Now, you know, exactly, take two songs and call me 337 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: in the morning. 338 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, it's it's interesting that you mentioned medicine. 339 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 3: Do you feel that music is also sort of fused 340 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: with with the spirituality. 341 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely absolutely, And my faith says so as well. 342 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 2: I believe, you know, God created music, and and every 343 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: everything I ever read about the afterlife is there's literally 344 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: heavenly choirs. There's singing praises to the creator of all things, 345 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 2: and and to me, it's the closest thing to prayer, 346 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 2: and it's it's all over the Bible, whether you know, 347 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 2: whether you talk about King David who wrote and played music, 348 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: that's my loot going to me, But there's not a 349 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: play for it didn't exist, and there's no absence and 350 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: so and I also find it's funny so much of 351 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: popular music leans up right against uh music of faith, 352 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: whether they're singing, whether you're using gospel cadences and progressions, 353 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: or whether you're even you know, you know, whether it's 354 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: U two saying she moves into serious ways, they're they're 355 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 2: just papping. Just you get right up next to it 356 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 2: and sort of change it where Marion Morris is that 357 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: this is my church my church, or or on and 358 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: on things like that. We're touching on the things, the 359 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: ineffable things that are hard to describe the most beautiful things. 360 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 2: And and so to me, yeah, I'd always it's and 361 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: by the way, if you want to go back to 362 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: pop music and see how many people got their start, 363 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: especially in R and B or just some of the 364 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 2: so many of the great singers, whether it's Whitney Houston, 365 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: so many others got their start there in that church choir. 366 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: And that the singing those songs, those praise songs, and 367 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 2: and to me all great, great uplifting songs or praise 368 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: songs after a fashion, So yeah, I agree. And in 369 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: the same way that there's a you know, the word 370 00:21:53,680 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: communion in in in church, there's there's a communion music. 371 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: There's a thing that binds us all and ties us 372 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: all together. It's not lost on me here. It's not unusual 373 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: to me that the Rhymen Auditorium in Nashville is called 374 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 2: the Mother Church, and whurse it was a church originally, 375 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 2: and in some sense it still is. There's people being 376 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: blessed and healed every day in that place. So yeah, 377 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 2: I think they're all a part of each other. 378 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: You pretty much can do anything that you've set your 379 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: mind to do in your career, which is pretty amazing, 380 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 3: and you give so much. How important is your musicians 381 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: on call work to your personal legacy. 382 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 2: Well, that's a very very kind questions. I mean, I'm 383 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 2: sitting here knocked back by the question. It's funny. I 384 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: don't think I can do anything. I took my mind too, 385 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 2: but you're kind of look at the things I've been 386 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: able to get to do and I go, well, you've 387 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: done all right, old boy. But that's true. But it's funny. 388 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: I don't really think of it that way as pertaining 389 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 2: to my legacy. I just honestly think of it person 390 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: to person, those those individual contacts I get with those 391 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 2: people's an it's an opening into these most sacred places 392 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 2: of people in a moment of need. And I can't 393 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: think of a time I left where I wasn't certain 394 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: that I was at least as blessed as anybody I 395 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 2: had blessed there, just in terms of you and getting 396 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 2: perspective or that kind of kind of thing. That's humbling 397 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: to think that just the song that you played on 398 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: your guitar made a difference in any way that day. 399 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: So I'm not really sort of adding it up as 400 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 2: sort of a thing like that, you know, the legacy 401 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: kind of thing. I don't think about that as much, 402 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: but I do think about the joy it brings me. 403 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: And it's interesting. It's the people that do musicians on clothes. 404 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 2: Some of them they literally have no idea who they 405 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: are when they walk in there, and it's still works. Uh, 406 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 2: it's the music, it's not the thing. But the fame 407 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 2: certainly is helpful. If it's a if I'm at a 408 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: children's hospital, it's a kid that has watched outer Banks 409 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: and is excited by that. That that helps, and that starts. 410 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 2: If it's somebody that went through deacons, travails with them 411 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 2: and there you are, you're that guy. That's so that's 412 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 2: helpful too. And what it means is that, uh, it 413 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: makes it a little bit easier. Fame is a little 414 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: bit like a lever, like like if you have a long, 415 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: long two by four and you're trying to price something 416 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: up older up. The longer the two by four is, 417 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: the easier it is to do. It's just you know, physics, 418 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 2: and it's fame is almost like that a little bit. 419 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: It makes easy work of easier. It makes it easier 420 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 2: to move somebody or or to bring about a reaction. 421 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: They just said, I don't know why that is, but 422 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: it just happens to be the case between that and 423 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 2: the music, I just felt what it's like to be 424 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 2: in those situations. And as much as I'm talking, it's 425 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: really hard to describe the instance. The moments of these 426 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: things is hard. They're hard to describe. But what I 427 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 2: see and what it turned, what it reminds me of, 428 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: is it's hard in this world because we, specially with 429 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: social media, we can get a little dark about what 430 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 2: human beings are like and what they're capable of, and 431 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 2: what they're capable of saying to each other and what 432 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: they're capable of doing to each other. It's really something 433 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 2: to go into these rooms where the love is the 434 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: most pure. It's just a mother caring for their daughter, 435 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: or a son there for his father, or and just 436 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 2: to see those moments how good and kind and loving 437 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: and pure people can be. I was in a hospice 438 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 2: center and there's a man I don't think he was 439 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: any older than I am, and he was in his 440 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 2: early fifties, I believe, and his wife was there beside 441 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: his bed, and he made a request that I would 442 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 2: sing A life that's good, A life that's good for 443 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 2: those who don't know is probably the song from the 444 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: show Nashville and if you haven't heard it, I recommend 445 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 2: you you go listen. It's called a Life That's Good. 446 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: And he said it was his wife's favorite song and 447 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: wondered if I could sing it to his wife. And 448 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 2: You're like absolutely. So I'm sitting there and I start 449 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: to sing it, and I see him and he reaches 450 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: over to the table and picks up his iPhone and 451 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 2: I'm singing it and he's videoing his wife listening to 452 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: me sing this from his hospice bed. And I remember 453 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: thinking how a move that was. But it's not my 454 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: job to be moved right there. It's not my job 455 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 2: to feel that emotion right in that moment. It's my 456 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: job is to be there and to sing that song 457 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 2: and to facilitate that moment for him and for them. 458 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: But right there's what I'm talking about that is special, 459 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 2: and I got to be there for that and even 460 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: play a small role. So that's more what I look 461 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 2: at is those types of moments and those types of people. 462 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: It's just my joy to be around. 463 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 3: Certainly, certainly you're not selling anything. You're there because you're 464 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: selfless and you want to help others. 465 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 2: That's so kind. But if you hear me all the way. 466 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: It's not selfless. Chip is getting something. By the way, 467 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: my nickname is Kiff in that situation, Yeah, that's my nickname. Yeah, 468 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 2: Travels is getting something in that situation. It's not selfless. 469 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: I am being blessed right there. I am seeing the 470 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 2: best of humanity. I am feeling this connection in this 471 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 2: communion with two incredibly special people, and this is just 472 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: multiplied by how many visits I get. Not selfless at all. 473 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: I know. I mean in terms of it's it's it's 474 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: charitable work and you're you're going doing it in your 475 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 2: free time. But I'm just saying that, uh, it blesses me. 476 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: So yeah, that makes total sense. 477 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: I was thinking even in terms of just on the 478 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 3: receiving end, not even thinking that, of course, you get 479 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 3: so much. 480 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: Out of this as well, So how could it truly 481 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: be selfish? 482 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. They just had a landmark moment where they 483 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: had performed for the one million patients in January. 484 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's amazing. That really is that. I think 485 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: I read about Darius Rucker joining the cause as well. 486 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's performed a number of times that of so 487 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: many others. They're incredible people and it's very easily done. 488 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 2: There's there's a website called Musicians on Call dot org, 489 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: and there's there's ways if you just wanted to donate 490 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: there you could think about whatever money you're giving creates 491 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: those moments, puts Darius Rucker in a hospital room with somebody, 492 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 2: or Gavin de Grau, or just on and on and 493 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: now by now we're even so many of these the 494 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: new and upcoming young artists that are going in there 495 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: and they're making a difference as well. So but you 496 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: just go to Musicians on Call dot org and you 497 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: can either donate or you can sign up to be 498 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: a musician, or if you're a hospital administrator or somebody 499 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 2: that works at the hospital that you want somebody to 500 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: come to you, you can connect with them there. So 501 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 2: there's so many different ways. But there's been so many 502 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: people that have been part of the lineup. I mean, 503 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: Dolly Parton, Ed Sheeran, Kelly Clarkson, Lady A Luke, Bryan, 504 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: Reba McIntyre, Lauren Ovena, Kelsey Ballerini, Darren Chris Keith, Urban, 505 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: Peter Frampton. I'm just reading off names. This is the 506 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: who's who, And to a person, what they've all found 507 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: is Oh that's why I make music right. 508 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 3: Yes, thank you so much for joining us today and 509 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: sharing not only your stories and some personal stories, but 510 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 3: also about this fantastic organization that I think everyone should 511 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: check out. And also thank thank you for using your 512 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 3: powers for good, because that's what's real. 513 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: All. 514 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: When you get that platform, you know you're shouldered with 515 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 3: a responsibility and a lot of people sort of shirk that, 516 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 3: but you're not. 517 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: So thank you for that. 518 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. What you're doing is a great platform yourself. 519 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: You're talking about this I think is important and helpful tois. 520 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: So thank you. 521 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: Thank you. Hopefully you'll come back and share some more stories. 522 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: I love it. Thanks. I'm grateful. 523 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: Charles Austin, thank you for being on Music Saved Me.