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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, it's Josh and for this week's s Y

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Speaker 1: s K Selects, I've chosen a partial history of Action Figures,

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Speaker 1: our episode from November two thousand sixteen, and it is

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Speaker 1: a really, really in depth look at action figures. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we talked about different types of plastic molding for goodness sake,

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Speaker 1: but it's also chuck full with nostalgia and good feelings

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Speaker 1: our childhood's playing with action figures. So I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. We certainly did, so you should too. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Stuff you should know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's

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Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant. Jerry's right there to my immediate right,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff you should know, the podcast,

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Speaker 1: the podcasts. That's right. I'm excited it about this particular

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Speaker 1: podcast Chuck put together this episode. I should say, well,

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Speaker 1: do you want to go ahead and announce the title

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Speaker 1: for the people that maybe didn't read it, it is, uh, well,

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Speaker 1: you you're going to select the title. It's the title.

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Speaker 1: Oh geez, I don't know, um everything you ever wanted

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Speaker 1: to know about. Actually some stuff about action figures that

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Speaker 1: light you well that's a working title. Huh yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we're talking about action figures. That's the point of

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Speaker 1: of what I think that exercise just was. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say everything you wanted to know, but this,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we could do there. I'm sure there are

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Speaker 1: entire podcasts on action figures, for sure. And if you do,

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Speaker 1: if you have a podcast on action figures right in,

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Speaker 1: people whose boat this floated. This this one definitely follows

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Speaker 1: in the vein of um the Barbie episode, which I

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Speaker 1: I love the Barbie episode. Yeah, and Barbie actually makes

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Speaker 1: with dolls? Uh? I like to play with action figures.

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Speaker 1: she had a Barbie. Oh no, my sister grew up

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Speaker 1: had um Martina. There probably wasn't Martina. But I mean

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Speaker 1: that was a pretty good episode. And this one's kind

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Speaker 1: I think it was Ruth Handler who invented the Barbie doll, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: number two so appealing to toy companies was that when

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Speaker 1: So he said, like you were talking about, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's certainly not one like G I Joe. Right, Well,

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Speaker 1: feels appropriate that we sort of go down that rabbit hole.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about action figures. Well, so, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because G I Joe is the one that started, literally

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Speaker 1: as if they had planned that. Uh the original. I

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Speaker 1: not know was that G I Joe was the collective

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Speaker 1: name of all four of these Armed Forces dolls. You

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Speaker 1: didn't know that. I thought the guy was Joe. No,

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Speaker 1: So Um, I read this great article called geez what

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Speaker 1: didn't realize this, But you can't. You can't copyright a figure,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know this. He had an inverted thumbnail.

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Speaker 1: And both of these were because of errors in p auction.

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Speaker 1: people for copyright infringement. That's right, that's crazy. Yeah it is, UM,

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Speaker 1: In fact, um, I believe Hasbro wouldn't do business with

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Speaker 1: knew your nerd voice is going to come up in

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Speaker 1: this episode. Well sure of course. Um So if you

425
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: if you have a love of Mego or you just

426
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: want to know what we're talking about, also go check

427
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: out um the Mego Museum online m e g O Museum,

428
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: And it's just basically like this wonderful online museum dedicated

429
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: to everything that Migo ever put out. It's pretty cool.

430
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't even around when these things came out, and

431
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: they still somehow make me nostalgic, you know, exactly, Alright,

432
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: So Uh, let's jump back a little bit to ninety six,

433
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: and um, we're gonna explain how they went from eight

434
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: inches even though they were still making the eight inches

435
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 1: after sixty six, how they eventually got down to the

436
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: three and three quarters inch. Uh. G I Joe was

437
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: licensing their stuff out to other countries all over the place.

438
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: That was a UK company who released it under the

439
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: name Action Man uh and eventually they licensed it to

440
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: Japan to a company called Takara. They went on to

441
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: create some action figures based on G I Joe, and

442
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: then due to the oil crisis in the early seventies,

443
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: they started developing smaller versions. Uh So at three and

444
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: three quarters inches they developed Microman released him in nineteen

445
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Speaker 1: seventy four, and that kind of led to this new thing,

446
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 1: which was smaller dudes three and kids didn't care. No, no,

447
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: not only did we not care. So now we're starting

448
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: to enter my wheelhouse. Not only did we not care.

449
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: These smaller ones are vastly superior to the older ones.

450
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: Oh you think, yeah, so a lot of stuff. But

451
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: I would say this is the one thing that divides

452
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: us more frequently than anything else, is whether the original

453
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Speaker 1: Big G I Joes or the second wave small g

454
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: I Joes are better? All right? Let me ask you, sir,

455
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: have you ever held in your hands and played with

456
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: a twelve inch G I Joe with a kung fu grip?

457
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 1: I would uh would not touch one, so you can't

458
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 1: even say that. Have you played with the small one? Yeah? Man?

459
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: I had tons of small action figures? Okay, all right?

460
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: Oh did you have the Star Wars stuff? So you

461
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: think the big one superior? Well, yeah, it's twelve inches,

462
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: it's articulates nineteen different ways. I like the small ones.

463
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: I always will, even after playing with the big one,

464
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: which I have not never will. I just know that

465
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: the small one is vastly superior. I don't know if

466
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: it's because I am nostalgic for the small ones and

467
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: the old ones seemed weird and dusty and moldy or

468
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 1: something like that, but the small one seemed better to me.

469
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: All right, At the very least you have to you

470
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 1: have to admit the wave of G I Joe's that

471
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: were released when I started playing with them, just the

472
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: line itself was better, regardless of the size of them. Right, Well,

473
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and talk about thought. Because G I

474
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: Joe changed a lot um once it became a cartoon,

475
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about some really cool political

476
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: stuff that had no idea went into this. But um,

477
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: G I. Joe became a cartoon series. This was in

478
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: the early eighties, So this is when I had kind

479
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: of quit playing with action figures for the most part. Okay,

480
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: because eighty four I was like thirteen, and you know,

481
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: I was moving on to you know, check out this mustache.

482
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah I was. I was skateboarding by that point, and

483
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: I thought it was like Super Bowl skateboarder. Yeah. Uh,

484
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: maybe I still played a little bit. So your only

485
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: your neighborhood best friend knew about it, your school friends

486
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: did exactly. Uh so G I. Joe was a cartoon.

487
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: Then they for the first time basically it became a

488
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: commando team, an anti terrorist commando team that had all

489
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: kinds of characters and they had finally had a common enemy,

490
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: which was of course Cobra. Yes, led by Cobra commander.

491
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: And this was your right in your wheelhouse, correct. Yeah,

492
00:27:55,600 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: so in ninety three I was like seven, So yeah,

493
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: this was I was really just primed and ready. I

494
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: would just let's go Joe. And plus also the other

495
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: thing too. That I had that you didn't have was

496
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: the cartoon that not only like blew up the back

497
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: stories because each this new wave of G I. Joe

498
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: when they released it, um, they each character now had

499
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: its own name and it wasn't Rocky or Rocky. It

500
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: was things like um Duke or shipwreck or Blowtorch or

501
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: barbecue or Dusty um. And then the bad guys had

502
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: their own their own names to like Cobra Command or

503
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: Serpent or Tomax or z Mott um or uh, the

504
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: whole the whole gang, right toe cheese? Who was that?

505
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: Tomax and z Mott? They were evil twins? Who were

506
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: they were? Basically they were like, um, if if Cobra

507
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: Commander had hired Patrick Bateman and then owned him a

508
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: mirror version of him, it would be Tomax and z

509
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: A Mott Interesting and none of this stuff right right? Okay,

510
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: so I do because I grew up with it. But

511
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: but I also had it pounded into my head every

512
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: day after school watching the G I. Joe cartoon, And

513
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: that was the huge innovation that really just created this uh,

514
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: this other world for kids like me to just lose

515
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: yourself in with the action figures, because now you didn't

516
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: even need to use your imagination. You could just be like, oh,

517
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: I saw this on the G I. Joe cartoon today,

518
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: So let's act that out right. And none of this

519
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: would have ever happened had it not been for Ronald Reagan.

520
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: That's right, And that sounds weird, uh, But here's the story.

521
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: So in the late seventies, there was a lot of

522
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: concern about kids, uh, and advertising about advertising two children.

523
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: So the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, got a task

524
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: force together and they said, should we ban or regulate

525
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: this marketing to children? They put together six thousand pages

526
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: of testimony from sixty oh the oral testimony, sixty thousand

527
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: pages of expert testimony from all these experts on child

528
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: psychology and health and nutrition because I had to do

529
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: with you know, food and sugary candies and stuff like

530
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: that too. And the conclusion across the board was that

531
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: young children cannot they are cognitively unable to understand the

532
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: the intent of selling ads. They can't distinguish that from reality, right,

533
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: Like if you dress up a cartoon as an ad,

534
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: the kid is he just thinks it's a cartoon, she

535
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: does exactly. Or if the ad is a cartoon rather

536
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: than the kid doesn't know. They just think I'm still

537
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: watching cartoons on my TV. My brain hasn't made that switch.

538
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: But man, could I go for some Smurf cereal exactly.

539
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: So it was a big deal at the time. So

540
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: there were all these recommendations basically and how to regulate

541
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: and restrict advertising that were They basically said it was

542
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: unfair and deceptive to kids. UH. For older kids, they said,

543
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: they can tell the difference, but maybe we should have

544
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: uh warnings on the ads and disclosures saying that this

545
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: is a commercial message. And so what happens when you

546
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: do this in America? The private sector said no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

547
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: I want to be able to sell as much sugary

548
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: garbage to kids as I want. You can't restrict uh

549
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: free trade, free trade in business. And so we're gonna

550
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: raise a record at the time sixteen million dollars to

551
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: lobby against this. And well and they were helped out

552
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: in no small part by getting the right guy into

553
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: the White House. Right. So in one of the first

554
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: things Ronald Reagan did was he appointed a new chairman

555
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: of the Federal Trade Commission. And this, uh, this was

556
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: a move that basically said, you know what, there's gonna

557
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: be no regulation whatsoever, got to leave these markets for

558
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want. Uh, And that is

559
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: basically how all of these cartoons were born. G I Joe, Transformers, Smurfs,

560
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: care Bears, Rainbow Bright so very short, kid, you name it.

561
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: It basically became marketing and selling things and cartoons became

562
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: one and the same. Finally. Yeah, and one of the

563
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: other things that definitely helped G I Joe two was

564
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: the UM I don't know if it was formal or informal,

565
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: but there was basically a band on UM on warlike

566
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: cartoons and warlike toys that was brought back under the

567
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: same ease of restrictions by the ftc UM, so that

568
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: I think the percentage of warlike toys that was sold

569
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: in the early eighties went up like three d from

570
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: one year over the other from eighty four, I think. Um.

571
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: Whereas before it was like no, we don't G I

572
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: Joe's an adventure. Remember, It's like, no, G I Joe

573
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: was gonna cut Cobra's head right off. So that's a

574
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty that's one of the first, uh, one of

575
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: the first big things Reagan did when he got in

576
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: office flashboard in November. One of the last things he

577
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: did was he vetoed a new measure because basically they

578
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: saw what was happening. All of a sudden, kids were

579
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: being bombarded with war cartoons and uh, just terrible sugary

580
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: packaged food all over the place. Like the restrictions were

581
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. So UH, Congress came back and said,

582
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: you know what, this is out of hand. Here's a

583
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: measure that will restrict once again and impost some some

584
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: legislation on this programming aimed at children. Uh. It passed

585
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: the House by seventy eight, passed unanimously in the Senate,

586
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: and Reagan vetoed it and said, uh, basically, what one

587
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: of the things they were trying to do. They were

588
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: trying to limit programming to uh advertising to ten point

589
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: five minutes an hour on the weekends and twelve minutes

590
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: an hour in the weekdays, and also provide, uh require

591
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: broadcasters to provide educational and informational programs as a condition

592
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: of renewing their licenses. So Reagan veto that and said,

593
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: no way, UH, we're not gonna do that. We're gonna

594
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: keep it as is People that were in favor of

595
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: this went crazy. Basically they were saying, like, how can

596
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: you guys say you're the party of the Children and

597
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: Education and then veto is something that is clearly going

598
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: to help protect our children. That was messed up. Man,

599
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: I had no idea about that one. Yeah, And not

600
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: only that, the what happened was along with this deregulation, UM,

601
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: the toy companies and the cartoons, they actually they kind

602
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: of got in bed together and they said, you know

603
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: what if you show, uh, if you schedule as a broadcaster,

604
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: UM our cartoons that sell toys, will give you a

605
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: profit on those toys. If you run these G I.

606
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: Joe cartoons, then we'll give you a little cut of

607
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: what we're selling. Plus also we'll buy ads on those

608
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: cartoons are on your network too, to sell those those

609
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 1: toys when you show these cartoons. I imagine you know, yeah,

610
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: because I remember watching G I. Joe Real American Hero

611
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 1: that cartoon, which I have to say it was created

612
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: in in large part to sell G I. Joe's true,

613
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: but it had it had great story arcs that had

614
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: overarching story arcs that went from episode to episode. Uh.

615
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: The individual ones were good, like, the voice acting was good,

616
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: the animation was pretty good. Same with Transformers to like,

617
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: it was pretty pretty good cartoon. So at least they

618
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 1: were putting time and effort and thought into this. But uh, yeah,

619
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: it's pretty despicable marketing to kids in general. Actually, I

620
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: read a blog. Um I'm certainly glad you were a

621
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: satisfied viewer, but I read this blog that basically said that,

622
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: um Man, I wish I could find it. Maybe i'll

623
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: post this when we release it, that that the de

624
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: regulation and killed the creativity and killed in children's cartoons,

625
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: and that they said that before you know it, they

626
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: were just like things were knockoffs of one another. They

627
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: didn't care about I guess. I mean, you were a kid,

628
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 1: so maybe you didn't realize it, but that was too

629
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: stupid to know it was going on. They said that,

630
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, you can see a clear demarcation line between

631
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: really good storytelling and then storytelling that was clearly just

632
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: geared to sell things. I guess I don't. I'm trying

633
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: to compare like what cartoons were in the seventies, and

634
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: like they were great, they weren't high art though again,

635
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: I'll go back to that hair Bear bunch. Well, they

636
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: loved the hair bears. They were drug fueled, but there yeah, yeah,

637
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: that was a big one. But there, I mean, their

638
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: plots were pretty simple. It was the same plot that

639
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: you would see on a Yogi Bear cartoon or like

640
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: a Huckleberry Hound cartoon. Um, Scooby Doo was interesting and

641
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: it was pretty cool, but it was basically the same

642
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: storyline every single time, like what what Scooby Doo? And

643
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to argue in favor of Corporate America

644
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: marketing to kids and ruining creativity, but like you don't

645
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: there weren't any overarching storylines aside from Scooby being crazy

646
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: for Scooby Snacks and Scooby Doo. And there definitely was

647
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: in G I. Joe, like when they went around the

648
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: world and took the d n A of all of

649
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: these great these great dictators and conquerors like Alexander the

650
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: Great and Um Napoleon and put them all together and

651
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: created serpent or Um who was actually the new guy

652
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: who was in charge of Cobra because Cobra commander was

653
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: a bit of a coward? Did you not know any

654
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: of this? How do you not know this stuff? But

655
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: I was I was trying to kiss girls in the

656
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: roller skating rink at this and you thought girls were gross. Still,

657
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: it's true, it's true, but I it definitely help shape me,

658
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: and I am nostalgic for it in that sense, and

659
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: I am appreciative. But Chuck, I propose that sooner than

660
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: later we do an episode on marketing to kids, because

661
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: this whole deregulation story is just fascinating. Yeah, I mean

662
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: I had I didn't really know anything about it because

663
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: I was still a dumb kid when this was going on.

664
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 1: But let's do it though, Okay, agreed. So that was

665
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: G I Joe shaped my Childhood's just the tad so uh.

666
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: But prior to G I Joe, the first three and

667
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: three quarter inch action figure in the US as far

668
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: as I know, was the Star Wars line, and the

669
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: Star Wars line again, when Migo passed it up, they

670
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: quickly realized that we really screwed up. They released like

671
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: a buck Rogers line, um, and uh, a black Hole line.

672
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,479
Speaker 1: Remember that movie The Black Hole from Disney. It's really

673
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: creepy even still um. But so they tried to catch

674
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: up and they ended up going bankrupt in three basically

675
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: as a result of losing this Star Wars line, and

676
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: so Kenner and so Kenner picked it up, picked up

677
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: the Star Wars line instead, and they released them and

678
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: right out of the gate in which I believe was

679
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: the first year that they released these things is three

680
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: and three quarter inch Star Wars line of action figures UM.

681
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: In seventy nine, they made a hundred million dollars each

682
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: year from selling those. They sold about forty million units

683
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: a year. And from nineteen seventy eight to nineteen eighty five,

684
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 1: which I think was the whole run of the Star

685
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: Wars lines, the original run with Kenner, Kenner sold three

686
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: hundred million units. So if they're selling forty million a

687
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: year and making a hundred million each year from that,

688
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: they sold three hundred million total. So Kenner made some

689
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: serious bank off of Star Wars. Off of me and

690
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: my my lawnmowing fund, for sure, I had I feel

691
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: like I had at least doubles of most of the

692
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: major characters, many of the minor characters, the Tie Fighter,

693
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: the X Wing, the Death Star, Oh You Lucky, the

694
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: and Speeder. Um. I also had the uh, the big

695
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: dolls UM. I don't know if they were twelve inch,

696
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: but what is it with you? And maybe man they're huggable.

697
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. I had the Big Luke and the Big

698
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: I think the Big Luke and the Big Vader, and

699
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: maybe like one other maybe Chewbacca, but not all of them.

700
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: And basically whatever I could either get for my birthday

701
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: or Christmas or save my allowance to buy, I would get.

702
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: And I was all in. I didn't know that these

703
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: were collectible. Of course, I ripped right into them to play,

704
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: to play with them like normal children do. Um. I

705
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: didn't put it like in a box on a shelf

706
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: to try and keep it in mint condition. But that's

707
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: weird to do though as a kid. Yeah, I don't know.

708
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: I mean maybe there were kids doing it. I didn't

709
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: know any. We all played with them, but I mean

710
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: that was originally the point. I think. It wasn't until

711
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: like much lay eater that it it became evident that

712
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: you could sell them to people who wish they had

713
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: them in the package still for a lot of money. Yeah.

714
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: And should we should we close later on with the

715
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: some of the more valuable ones, Yes, for sure. So

716
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: that's a tease. Okay, everybody, you take a break. We

717
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: should was that it about Star Wars. You think I

718
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: don't have anything else? Really, I mean there's a gazillion

719
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: other things we could talk about, I guess, But what

720
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: more do you need to know besides that they were

721
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 1: huge hits. That's it. Alright, We're gonna take a break.

722
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and talk a little bit about

723
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 1: the how these things are actually made as sk alright,

724
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: just to put a little bow on the action figure

725
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: thing before we get into how they're made. Um, you know,

726
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: Transformers came along, was huge throughout the nineties. Then you

727
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: saw U, Marvel and d C really come on the market.

728
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: Every movie you could think of had action figures. TV

729
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: shows started having action figures. Older popular movies started having

730
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,959
Speaker 1: action figures, like for Nostalgias sake, Like I literally had

731
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: a scarface doll. Oh yeah, I've seen the scarface al

732
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: Pacino that I used to have in the office, and

733
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: did come with a mound of cocaine, a plastic amount

734
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: of cocaine, it did. Uh. And now you know, you

735
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: can find pretty much any kind of action figure you want,

736
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: from politicians to older movies and TV shows and like

737
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: things you wouldn't even imagine people would like welcome back

738
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: Carter action figures. Yeah, and I didn't realize this, but

739
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: apparently companies intentionally will release like a very limited run

740
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: of some where like they're missing their thumb or like

741
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: it's miss labeled on the package, to make these things, um,

742
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 1: to make them valuable for the aftermarket, the collector's market,

743
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: which seems really untoward to me, like gaming the the

744
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: collector's market by manufacturers. That's just it seems that's just

745
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: the opposite of what you're supposed to do. So that

746
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: is that verified? That sounds urban legendy to me. Well,

747
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: it was in one of the articles you sent and

748
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: I took it. The person who wrote the article sounded

749
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: like they knew what they were talking about. But was

750
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: that the same article from the guy who said that

751
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: that Kenner couldn't sign the contract because the right people

752
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: weren't there. I don't know, because the first thing I

753
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: think of is if they're doing that, then what's to

754
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: keep them from artificially manufacturing something that's going to be

755
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: valuable and just keeping a bunch of them themselves. Well,

756
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: most companies like money now rather than a little more

757
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: money later, so that would probably do it. You know,

758
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: all right, it's you want to talk about how these

759
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: suckers are made. Yeah, again, you found some good stuff

760
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: here when you put this together. Yeah, I thought this

761
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: is pretty interesting. So it starts with design, right right,

762
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: which I mean it's pretty sensible. You say, give us

763
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: a thor character, you sucker, and um, they're talking to

764
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: an artist a sculptor when they say that. So the

765
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: sculpture gets to work like creating um, like basically a

766
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: skeleton it's called armature out of wire and the wires

767
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: and basically a position. Thor likes to run holding his hammer,

768
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: so he'll be kind of like in a crouched running pose. Um.

769
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: And then they slap some clay around it, maybe bake

770
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: it a little bit to make it stiff, and then

771
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: they mold very very roughly the general body shape and

772
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: head shape of thor Um, and then they kind of

773
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: start to get to work from there. Yeah. Rough thorness

774
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: is what they look for early on. UM and this,

775
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: you know, it depends on the action figure you're There

776
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: are all different kinds that have varying levels of UH

777
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: of movement, and depending on what you're gonna end up

778
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: with is really going to inform the process. But let's

779
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: say your thor and you want to move your arms,

780
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: move those big pipes a little bit. Uh, they may

781
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: choose to sculpt the arms separately, or maybe the legs separately. Um.

782
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: They almost always do the head separately because it's got

783
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: all these this fine detail and you just want to

784
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 1: work on that by itself. Right when you're when you're

785
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: messing with the heads, you're just your wrist is like

786
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: going into the chest that you just finished, and yeah,

787
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: why do I always do this? Not to start over?

788
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: Pretty much, so they're working with this torso perhaps only

789
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: put him aside. Work on the arms, work on the hands,

790
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: work on the head, and eventually, uh, once you've got

791
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: this head and face like you want it, um, you're

792
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: gonna attach that back on, build a neck, and build

793
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: some hair. And if it's one that's completely play stick,

794
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna do the clothes and everything in the suit.

795
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have real cloth though, like in a cape,

796
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're not gonna carve that out obviously, No, No,

797
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: they'll add that. They'll add that later. And sometimes like

798
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: an extra figure will come with like a breastplate or

799
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: boots or thor's hammer. Maybe they'll they gave thor kung

800
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: food grip, so they'll have to mold that also separately.

801
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: But then sometimes, and you'll know this already, probably as

802
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: the designer, they're gonna be like, no, we don't want

803
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: any of that weird cloth that's like a big g

804
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: I Joe and that's just weird people out. We want it.

805
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: We wanted plastic and molded. So they'll they'll basically carve

806
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: the clothing out of the original sculpture as well. Yeah,

807
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: and this all takes about two weeks on the Uh.

808
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: Of course it depends on who you're working with, but

809
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: two or three weeks to carve this this dude out

810
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: to its kind of rosst form. Yeah, I'm always incredulous

811
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. It's like, you know, who does

812
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: it take two weeks? Is that really an average? Like

813
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: how many action figure sculptors did you pull to find

814
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: out that it was two weeks? They probably just talked

815
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: to someone in the company and they say how long's

816
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: it take and they say about two weeks. Yeah, that's

817
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: good enough for me. Then all right if they as

818
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: long as they spoke to somebody, all right, So now

819
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: you've got your little little dude, and uh, you're going

820
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: to use a plastic resin when it comes to the

821
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: actual materials of the thing itself. Uh, there's something called

822
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: a B S acra acrono. Wow, I thought I got it.

823
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: You let me to try it. Sure, I think it's

824
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: a crilla, nit trial, beauta dyne styrene, a B S

825
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: nice work. Three types of plastic and one that's right,

826
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: So that's the harder plastic. For the main body. They

827
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: may use something like polypropylene or polyethylene for the various

828
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: parts or pieces. You've got your fabrics, If you have

829
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: capes and things like that, well no, I mean even

830
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: the little small figures had had like the Jawa's had capes. Yeah,

831
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: not capes, but cloaks. I know, I remember that weird

832
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: to me out too, And I think, finally I understand

833
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: what it is that I don't like about the large

834
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: G I Jos. They had fabric clothing and that it

835
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: was ill fitting clothing to like, did you see I

836
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you had it or not, but the

837
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: original G I Joe, like some of them, came with

838
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: a raincoat, but it didn't look like a raincoat. It

839
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: looked like he was wearing a sleeping bag that had

840
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: a draw string around his face. It wasn't a sleeping bag.

841
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be a raincoat,

842
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: but I think that's what it was. Just creepy, you know,

843
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: that was all I guess it's not. Actually the size

844
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: is the creepy factor brought on by this clothing that

845
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: didn't fit quite right. Like you know, it's the kind

846
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: of clothing that you would make for a son who

847
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: was was a serial killer, but you didn't want to

848
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: turn him in, so you just keep them locked in

849
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: the basement and you gotta make his own clothes. Thing.

850
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: You have to make clothing for him. This is the

851
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: kind of clothing you would make him. That's I think

852
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: what creeps me out about it. Well, you're working through

853
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: some stuff, so I'll check in with you at the

854
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: end that we'll see exactly what it is you hate

855
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: about the So, uh, the manufacturing process. You got to

856
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: create the mold. Next, you want to master mold, or

857
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: maybe it might be more than one mold. And uh,

858
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: this requires the most time. They say in this article

859
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: about two thirds of the whole time is spent making

860
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: these molds. Yeah, which makes sense, and it takes a

861
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: few months. Again, is that arbitrary. Who knows, Yeah, this

862
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: guy is like probably just takes a couple and then

863
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: once you once you have the molds, and you also

864
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,720
Speaker 1: have to make a decision when you're making the molds.

865
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: Do you want to um make the torso and the

866
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: legs together? Is he gonna move his arms? If so,

867
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: you probably want to do two different molds for the arms.

868
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: So there's a pretty decent amount of decision making work

869
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: that goes into just coming up with what molds you're

870
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: gonna make. And then one you make the molds, and yes,

871
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: you have to make the molds, you have to operate them,

872
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: and then you have to decide what kind of um uh,

873
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: what kind of um what's the word I'm looking for

874
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:14,959
Speaker 1: where you actually make the plastic um figure molding which

875
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: I should have been able to come up with because

876
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: we were talking about molds at the time, that's right.

877
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: So there's different kinds. I looked up one kind called

878
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: rotational molding. I guess that's what Star Wars was going

879
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: to try at first, but they lost too much detail

880
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: on the figure, so they went to um, I think,

881
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: an injection molding process. But with rotational molding, you've got

882
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: a mold, and it's on this computerized arm, and this

883
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: arm just kind of spins around inside an oven, and

884
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: inside the arm is like powdered plastic resin, and I

885
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: guess it just melts it by kind of slowly spinning

886
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: it around. I don't understand what the problem is, but

887
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: I guess injection molding is far superior. Yeah, I guess so.

888
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: I mean the deal with injection molding, they pump it

889
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: into two pieces and then they apply pressure to those

890
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: two pieces to mold them together while it cools and hardens. Um.

891
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: But I think what you get there is, which is

892
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: why probably they wanted to use the rotational molding. Is

893
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: if you have those little Star Wars guys, or imagine

894
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: g I Joe, if they were injection molds. If you

895
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: if you look at their body from the side, it's

896
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: in two pieces, and sometimes you can see a little

897
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: seam on their head or on their arm or something,

898
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: or probably on their arm because those are separate. But um, yeah,

899
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: sometimes you can see the seam or where the two

900
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: halves were pressed together. They wanted that smooth look for

901
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: the uh for the rotational molding that that provides. But um,

902
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: I always I guess. The detail is the trade off.

903
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: So that's the that's the rotational moling. You don't have seams,

904
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: but you lose fine detail. With injection moling, you can

905
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: get the detail, but you can see the seams of

906
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: where the two sides of the mold came together, I guess.

907
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: But man, I mean, how bad could that detail of

908
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: ben Because when you look at those early Star Wars figures,

909
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: I mean the detail was not great, you know, Like

910
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: had I been Mark Hamillon had been like this is

911
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: what you think? My face looks like? Yeah, like they

912
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,439
Speaker 1: I mean, they've gotten way better. Like the stuff they're

913
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: making today is just amazing, but it's almost too good,

914
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, yeah, there's some amazing

915
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: stuff out there, but it's that was one of the

916
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: great things about these, especially the three and three quarter

917
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: inch guys. They just they just they were they were

918
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: meant to be played with. They were meant to have

919
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: imagination bestowed on them, and little child's hands, not supposed

920
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: to sit on your desk at work or something like that,

921
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: and just as adornment like, they were meant to be

922
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,959
Speaker 1: played with, and they were. They were subtly downgraded from

923
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, the stuff that's out today. They were downgraded

924
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: to an upgrade. Yes, Like John Hodgman is literally screaming

925
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 1: right now into his earbuds because we're nostalgic about something

926
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: that was decidedly crappier. Sorry, but it's true though for me,

927
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: like I think that they were they were great. Have

928
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: I told you how I feel about the three and

929
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: three quarter inst g I, Joe, No, we should talk

930
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: about that some more. All right. So you've got this

931
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: mold now pressed together if it's injection, and then you

932
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: have to assemble it. If you have the arms separately

933
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: perhaps or um, basically anything else that doesn't come on

934
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: that original mold, you're gonna have to assemble it together. Uh.

935
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: Put all the little finishing details, maybe the clothing that

936
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: you hate so much, Um, maybe they're painted with a

937
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: little more detail that that detail that you hate so much,

938
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: and all the things that make a better action figure

939
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: that you hate so much. It's not that I hate it,

940
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: it's it's just I don't know, I'm not quite sure

941
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: how to put it. From just teasing. Yeah, yeah, So

942
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: it's I don't hate it, just really don't like it.

943
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: The final um, the final key to this whole thing

944
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: is packaging and shipping. So you think big deal was

945
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: a big deal with the package, but a lot of

946
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: thought goes into the packaging, like you were talking about

947
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 1: earlier with the the G I Joe actually advertising the

948
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: other dudes on the package, but that classic cardboard backed

949
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: uh clear plastic um casing. Yeah, the shell that was

950
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: sort of became the standard and what everyone came to

951
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,479
Speaker 1: think of as an action figure package. Yeah. And and man,

952
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: that was another thing that with the wave of G

953
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: I Joes that I played with, that really put a

954
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: lot of time and effort and thought into the packaging.

955
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: Um and that I mean that was definitely part of it.

956
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: That really helps sell the action figures in a lot

957
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Yeah, you know, even pour right

958
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: into it. Like I said, I disregarded the package well.

959
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: With the later g I Joes, there was a card

960
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: on the back that had like their code name, their specialty,

961
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: their backstory, and like you clip them mountain and collect

962
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: those as well. Like it was definitely part of it.

963
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,280
Speaker 1: I collected the Star Wars trading cards too. It's monny.

964
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: I went back and got all my old cards not

965
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: too long ago, and I didn't collect a ton of cards.

966
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: I thought like, oh, maybe there'll be some you know,

967
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: Ken Griffy Rookie card in here with five grand. So

968
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: foolishly I thought I had something of value, which I

969
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: did not. Um, But I went through and I had

970
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,879
Speaker 1: some weird cards that I don't even remember collecting. Like

971
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: I had Welcome Back Carter cards. No. Oh, yeah, that's

972
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: twice that Welcome Back Cotter has made appearance in this episode.

973
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: I was not expecting either one. I like, I like

974
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: the show a lot, but I don't remember buying these cards.

975
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: I had Jaws the movie cards. I had lots of

976
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: Star Wars cards. UM, some weird like I mean, I

977
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: had football cards. I didn't even collect football cards. I

978
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: didn't think. I went through. I did the same thing

979
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: you did. I got all the boxes of baseball cards

980
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: from my dad's house, and I was like, I didn't

981
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: where did I get all these football cards? Who even

982
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: collects football cards? You know, it's unto it's weird. But

983
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: the cool thing about the seventies cards is just the

984
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: the look when you could like you know, you had

985
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: to back the camera off so you could fit the

986
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: afrow into the car, and all these like great haircuts

987
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: and hair dues that all these guys had back then.

988
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: It's pretty Why is he holding that fist aloft and

989
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: then chuck? After the packaging, it goes to the stores

990
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: and little kids like us buy it and love it.

991
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: That's right, that's the end of the manufacturing process. Wow,

992
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: what a journey. Yeah, that was something we went all

993
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: the way to China and back we did. I don't

994
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: think we pointed that out a lot of times. The

995
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: molding process is an asia. So that's one reason it

996
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: takes so long, because they put them on slow boats.

997
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: So you kind of tease this earlier. Um, the you

998
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: found a list of the rarest Star Wars figures. Yeah,

999
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: and you know, I looked at other lists and they

1000
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: listed different figures. So I don't know if that's something

1001
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 1: that changes a lot as far as which ones are

1002
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: the most valuable, because I literally saw at least two

1003
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,919
Speaker 1: different ones that were described as the Holy Grail Star

1004
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: Wars figures, So you know there can't be more than

1005
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: one Holy Grail. No, So I do look forward to

1006
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: hearing from those in the no. But instead of saying

1007
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: these are the most valuable, let's just say we'll talk

1008
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: about some that are pretty rare and fairly valuable. I

1009
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: think that was pretty smart. So no one holds us

1010
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: our feet to the flame. Yack Face. I had not

1011
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: heard of yack face, had you know? So yack Face

1012
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: was one of um Boba Fett's either guards or mercenaries.

1013
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: But he worked for Boba Fette. No not, I'm sorry.

1014
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Star Wars people, stop stop. He works for

1015
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: Job of the Hut. He's not the same person you

1016
00:57:55,160 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: just cause three car accidents, three toyo to prius is

1017
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: just liberty mutual is going to be like this, Josh Clark,

1018
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,959
Speaker 1: we gotta work into our actual aerial tables. Uh. Yeah,

1019
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: So he was part of the power of the force line.

1020
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: Uh he was canceled. And you'll find here's a common

1021
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: thread here is rarity is what makes something valuable. And

1022
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: something can be a garbage figure and they don't make

1023
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: many of them and then it becomes valuable, right, And

1024
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: I think he wasn't necessarily a garbage figure. He was

1025
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: just released at a time when, like Star Wars figures,

1026
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: sales in general were waning. So they sent him over

1027
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: to Europe. And this thing says that he was never

1028
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 1: released in the States. I saw that he was, but

1029
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: it was in for a very brief time and a

1030
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: very limited run, and then they sent him to Europe,

1031
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: I think, in where Return of the Jedi had just

1032
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: come out, so they were crazy for anything that had

1033
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: anything to do with Return to Jedi. America was already like,

1034
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: who cares about Return of the Jedi? We were into

1035
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: uh Temple of Doom? Oh, yeah, which I read an

1036
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: article about that recently. Supposedly Temple of Doom was so

1037
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 1: dark because both George Lucas and Steven Spielberg we're going

1038
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: through breakups at the time that they were writing and

1039
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: making it, So we said, what can we do here?

1040
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: Why don't why don't you pull out his heart and

1041
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: eat it? Right? That's what I feel like, because that's

1042
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: what Tina did all right week way. So this is

1043
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: another job of the Huts guards. Are you sure you

1044
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: didn't get those confused? I specifically went and looked up

1045
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: yeck face and he he works for a job of

1046
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: the Hut. They even gave Job of the Huts full name,

1047
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: and I just remember the job apart. Oh he had

1048
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: more than that. Yeah, the Hut was he was a

1049
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: member of the Huts, like the Race of Huts or

1050
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: the tribe of Huts. So is jab of the Hut

1051
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: like you know, Chuck the American gotcha? Well, I think

1052
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm on record as being like, I'm a big Star

1053
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: Wars fan, love them, saw them many many times, collected

1054
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: the things. But then it ended I'm not m of

1055
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: the other half that really went down the rabbit hole,

1056
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: Like who are still like into it as much as before? Yeah,

1057
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: and even back then, like new things like the job

1058
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: of the Huts full name. Oh yeah, Like I didn't

1059
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: know that. I never knew that stuff and never read

1060
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: the books or anything like that. Um. Oh, I did

1061
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: have some of those comics though, I remember that now.

1062
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: I never had the comics. I was aware of the books,

1063
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of books when there. Yeah, they

1064
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: still write them too, I think, don't they Sure? Hey,

1065
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: if it's a good thing, sure right? Is that good?

1066
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 1: I think so? I think we have swashed the people

1067
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: who are into the books, alright. So week Way is

1068
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: another guard. Apparently it's not super rare, but there is

1069
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: a limited edition version that is worth more so. The

1070
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: carded mint condition the power of the forest line in

1071
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: the nineties, um is worth a little bit more money.

1072
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: I says, thirty five dollars. That's what it's worth. No, no, no,

1073
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: that's what the normal one's worth. Okay, the one that

1074
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: has a special freeze frame slide, which I don't know

1075
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: what that is, got you. That one's worth ten times

1076
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: that amount according to this guy. All right. I remember

1077
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: the vinyl caped Jahwua was always worth a lot of money.

1078
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: M because they came out with a cloth cape. I

1079
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,479
Speaker 1: know it's creepy. Uh So I'm gonna throw that in there,

1080
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: just off the top of my head. There was also

1081
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: a think of vinyl caped in a cloth caped Imperial guard.

1082
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: Remember the Emperor's red cloaked guards, and I think Return

1083
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: of the Jedi. Maybe Empire strikes back. I don't know.

1084
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: I'm afraid to say anything out loud. Now let's just stop. Uh,

1085
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: let's skip that next one and go straight to Bubba Fett.

1086
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: How does that sound? Okay? Bubba Fett very famously um

1087
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: in line, there was a Boba Fet that actually shot

1088
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: a missile, which is every parent knows is a chokable?

1089
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: Is the parents worst nightmare is that? Is that the

1090
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: term a chokable chokable something you can choke on, is

1091
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: that a real like parents term. Yeah, that's awesome. I

1092
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: did not know. Yeah, supposedly anything smaller then a the

1093
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: size of a toilet paper roll tube. What is it chokeable?

1094
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: Smaller than that? Yeah, so like if you can fit

1095
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: something through a toilet paper tube, then your kid can

1096
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: choke on it. Gotcha, that's what they say. Who says that?

1097
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't know that. Today's show Dumb Dumb parenting blogs.

1098
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: It makes sense, though, Yeah, I can't fit a football

1099
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: through that can't choke on a football? That's correct. The

1100
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: system where you could choke on a tiny football though,

1101
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: I guess so the the chokable Boba fet um. Obviously,

1102
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 1: they said this is a choke king hazard, so they

1103
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: scrapped the plans and redesigned it. And so they did

1104
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: eventually release uh the figure, but it had that and

1105
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: I had this one, not the one that shot the rocket,

1106
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: because they never released that one, right, I specifically remember

1107
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: being in the same room with one that shot a rocket,

1108
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: or it wasn't hacked. Here's the other possible um explanation.

1109
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: Uh I saw it on an AD and a confusing

1110
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: reality with television again, because it says here they never

1111
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: released them in stores. I saw that too, But I'm like,

1112
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: I swear I saw one of these things, or maybe

1113
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: we were just playing with it. We're like, this thing sucks.

1114
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: If it actually shot, the missile would be so much better,

1115
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: and I imagine what that would be like, and then

1116
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: accidentally formed of memory. Who knows, I'm forty years old now,

1117
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: I can't remember what was going on when I was

1118
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 1: seven or eight. Uh. As far as how valuable these

1119
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 1: things are if you can get your hands on one,

1120
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen things all over the place. One

1121
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: was sold for eighteen thousand dollars last year. But then

1122
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: I also saw one where supposedly a hundred thousand dollar

1123
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: offer at a Southby's auction was turned down. What so,

1124
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: I have no idea the value of these dudes, but

1125
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot of dough. Is that the Holy

1126
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: Grail one? Well, this is one of the holy grails.

1127
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: Do you remember what another Holy Grail you saw was? Yeah?

1128
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: The other one is is supposedly the most valuable is

1129
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: the double telescoping lightsaber for uh, for Obi Wan, Darth Vader,

1130
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: and Luke, and I think Luke's is the the most expensive. Um.

1131
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: If you remember the little did you have any of these.

1132
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: I had a couple. So the lightsaber guys had a

1133
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: thing on the bottom of their arm, a little groove

1134
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: cut out with a little, uh, a little you know,

1135
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: plastic knob that you would uh shove up towards the wrist,

1136
01:04:57,360 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: and a lightsaber would come out of the hand as

1137
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: if it were turning on the double telescoping, because that's

1138
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 1: a telescoping feature. A double telescoping means that you could

1139
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: extend it even further out from the original telescope and

1140
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: those supposedly are super rare and uh worth a lot

1141
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: of dough. So that one I saw actually online. Um

1142
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: oh man, I can't remember the site, but it was.

1143
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 1: It's a it's great, it's a great Star Wars action

1144
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 1: figure site. Um. And they had a picture of it.

1145
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: Have you seen it? Yeah? I thought I had one,

1146
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: but I can't find it, so I think I do.

1147
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 1: Like the the regular lightsaber that they had was just fine,

1148
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: but then the double telescoping part was just like this

1149
01:05:46,200 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: extra thinner, pointy piece of plastic that hung down at

1150
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: like a weird angle. It didn't keep going straight. Yeah,

1151
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: they always kind of bent and it looked just it

1152
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: looked broken. You know. Yeah, but even if I did

1153
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: have one, it's well warned. So it's not like I mean,

1154
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: I think all of these things, it's always like mint

1155
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: condition in the package. It's worth this. Don't even talk

1156
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: to me if it's not mint. Yeah, that's the that's

1157
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: the slogan. So I would love some of this cleared

1158
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: up by experts. Um. Oh, well we'll hear from them.

1159
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: The Bubba fet matter. Yeah, I don't even know why

1160
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm asking the Bubba fet matter, the like which one

1161
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 1: is truly the Holy Grail? Uh? What happened with the

1162
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: Kenner or not Kenner? The me Go Star Wars deal? Right?

1163
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: And did did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone? Yes? We

1164
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: need answers people. You got anything else? I got nothing else.

1165
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: This is a big overview. There's clearly many more stories

1166
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: to be told. I got a couple a couple more.

1167
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: I just want to give shouts out Yo Joe dot com. Okay,

1168
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: if you were into g I Joe's and you want

1169
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: to feel nostalgic, uh, go check that site out. It's amazing. Um.

1170
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: And then I created a gallery a few years ago

1171
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: called Hilarious Not huck Off Some good legs of beloved

1172
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: toys and it's just like the slide show of toys

1173
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: from around the world that are it's pretty obvious what

1174
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be, but they're not. Like the names

1175
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: just a little off or um they they've they've tried

1176
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 1: to come up with a new brand altogether, but it's

1177
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: just some cheap version of something great. So go check

1178
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,480
Speaker 1: that out too. It's kind of cool. It was fun

1179
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: to put together. And that's that's it, man, it's all

1180
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: I got. Go watch the g I Joe p s

1181
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: A S by Eric Fenzler again. They still hold up.

1182
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: Do you remember those where it was like like just

1183
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: weird dubs of those g I Joe p s as? Like,

1184
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: now you know, and knowing is half the battle. You

1185
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: haven't seen these, I don't think, So okay, I'll send

1186
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: them to you. You're gonna die laughing good. Yeah, you'll

1187
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: love him. You've been trying to kill me for years,

1188
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: but this time I won't be wearing gloves coming at

1189
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: your neck. Uh. That's it for me, man, Yeah, it's

1190
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: it for me. Okay. Well, if you want to know

1191
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: more about action figures, you can type those words into

1192
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: the search bar of your favorite UM search engine. Since

1193
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: I said search engine and didn't do any buzz marketing.

1194
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: It's time for a listener mail. We're gonna plug Kiva,

1195
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: which we haven't done in a long time. That's a

1196
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: good idea. K I v A is a micro lending

1197
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: website that we have been We've had a team now

1198
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: the stuff you should know team for geez, how many years?

1199
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: Six or seven? I think it was two thousand eight

1200
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,759
Speaker 1: or two two thousand nine, eight years, seven or eight years.

1201
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: Been a while, all right, So this is from Jordan,

1202
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go over a little bit more

1203
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: about how our team is looking. Hey guys. Once I

1204
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: listened to podcasts where you promote a Kiva, I decided

1205
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 1: google the Kiva donation thing and eventually found it correctly

1206
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: as k I v a dot com. I immediately love

1207
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: the site. It's the epitome of how to take the

1208
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,919
Speaker 1: globalized world and use that for good. So often donations

1209
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: come in the form of awkward late night and commercials,

1210
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: or five second quips at the grocery line where you

1211
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,000
Speaker 1: begrudgingly make an enemy out of the seventeen year old

1212
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: clerk for saying, no, I don't want to give a

1213
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: dollar to need e children. Uh. While all types of

1214
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: donations are generally good, Kiva makes you feel even more

1215
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 1: personal and once one can certainly give their money to

1216
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: needs that are important to them, you probably get your

1217
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 1: money back, which is great. But no way did that

1218
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: motivate me to loan, and I suspect to most people

1219
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: the use Kiva would also be happy to have their

1220
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: money go to those in need without getting a return. However,

1221
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: if I do decide to receive my money back, I

1222
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: will certainly use those funds to circulate that Kiva site again.

1223
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: In other words, re loan, that's fun of the keys.

1224
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: I think I'm feeling preachy now for writing you an

1225
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 1: email on the basis that I just loaned what amounts

1226
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: to a small amount of cash. But I just want

1227
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: to thank you guys for sharing that site and allowing

1228
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: people like myself to make their lives better. As from

1229
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: Jordan's bachelor who claims to be a US defector, you

1230
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: he moved from the US. I can't remember where he

1231
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: lives now. It's being cheeky. So we started this Kiva

1232
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: team a long time ago, and um, right now we

1233
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: have over nine thousand members and we are almost at

1234
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: four million bucks. Dude, three million, nine thousand, three hundred

1235
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars loan. That is a hundred and forty

1236
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 1: three thousand, one hundred and fifty five loans average of

1237
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: sixteen loans per member. And just to give you an

1238
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: idea of how it works, you donate money, you will

1239
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: most likely get paid back, and then they say you

1240
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: can check out and take your money back, or you

1241
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: can roll that into another loan. Uh I started off

1242
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: with a couple of hundred bucks way back when, and

1243
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: that now, just because I keep reinvesting, it has grown

1244
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: to one thousand, one hundred and twenty five dollars forty

1245
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 1: seven loans and my default rate is only four. Nice. Yeah,

1246
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: the default rate is not bad at all. It's not bad.

1247
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 1: So you can take a little bit, You can take

1248
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: twenty five dollars even and keep reloaning that and that

1249
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 1: in a few years, five or six years can be

1250
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds and hundreds of dollars reloaned to people.

1251
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:15,799
Speaker 1: Um really makes a big difference. We did our research

1252
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: on Kiva. They're not perfect, but we think they do

1253
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: a really good job. And um, you know, we have

1254
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: the stuff you should know team, so we would love

1255
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: to see people sign up for it, push us over

1256
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: that four million dollar mark, which is crazy. And yeah,

1257
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,760
Speaker 1: yeah we're not exclusive. We're not snobs, and neither is

1258
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: anybody on our team. It's a very very welcoming group

1259
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: of people who are really active on the board. Um

1260
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: there lad unofficially but de facto by Glenn and Sonya

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Speaker 1: who have emerged to be these these great team leaders

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Speaker 1: that like just keep everybody going and motivated and moderate

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Speaker 1: and make sure everybody's on the up and up, and

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Speaker 1: they send us emails and reminders about how we're doing.

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Speaker 1: Hats off to those guys. Thank you guys for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so Kiva dot org at the said dot com earlier, Um,

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Speaker 1: and just go to the team section search stuff you

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Speaker 1: should know. Join the team through somebody's way. You can

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Speaker 1: you can give to people that are doing things that

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Speaker 1: are close to your heart or maybe countries you've been

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Speaker 1: to that you want to help support. Uh. You can

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Speaker 1: give to women or men, and it's just really you

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Speaker 1: can really dial down and give very specifically how you

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Speaker 1: want to give. Yeah, and uh, if you want to

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Speaker 1: know even more about it, you can go listen to

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Speaker 1: our episode micro Lending and you can we've written a

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Speaker 1: couple of blog posts on it, and I think there's

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Speaker 1: someone HuffPo even that they published of ours. But it's

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Speaker 1: um I think like why we land on Kiva, and

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Speaker 1: it really addresses a lot of stuff that people have

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Speaker 1: raised and we've said, hey man, it's still totally worth it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: good check it out, all right. Uh. If you want

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Speaker 1: us an email the Stuff podcast at how Stuff Works

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