1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: What did you tell me about white women. Oh, there's 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: nothing sneakier than a sneaky white woman. There is nothing 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: sneakier than a sneaky white woman. Be careful. That was 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: like before we didn't even have Karen's Yeah, I think 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: when I told you that, or maybe we did, I 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: don't know. Karens have always successed. Every champion and carry 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Champion is to be a Champion of Champion and carry 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: Champion and carry chapion the Champion and carry Chappion and 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: carry chapion rate raiders and sports. And then the team 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: making naked. Every Champion and carry Champion is to be 11 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: a Champion of Champion and carry Chappion and carry Chapion. 12 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: A champion and carry Chappion and carry chappion rate raids 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: and sports, and then the team making naked. In the 14 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: world of vulnerable considered, we come and remove the veil 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: from entertainmous elite. It's a difference between what it's real 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: and with the public season. So here's your favorite celebrities 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: behind the scene. It's refreshing up. Then the whole story 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: specific life ought to rendivest to shape the person that 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: you can. We gotta champion they carry champion, and you didn't. 20 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: It's the greatest of sports and entertainment connected with every champion. 21 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: They carry champions to be a champion, a champion, they 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: carry chappion, they can chappy chat Champion, they carry champion 23 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: and carry champion afraid of sports and then the taming 24 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: can Naked Warman. Hey, everybody, welcome back to you a 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: another edition of Naked. Today's episode is like all the episodes, 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: but this one is really near and dear to me 27 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna say some things that may sound controversial 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: or may sound crazy, but it's just my truth and 29 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: it's been my experience. I have had a very very 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: difficult professional relationship with white women. Not all white women, 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: but a certain type of white woman. I think that 32 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: white women can be troubling when it comes to gender marginalization, um, 33 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: women's rights, femininity, feminism, whatever label you want to put 34 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: on it, because oftentimes we have seen over and over 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: again through the course of history, if not with Donald 36 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: Trump's election, when we realized that a lot of white 37 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: women were the reason why he won the election, we 38 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: thought to ourselves, wait, but you see how he treats women, 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: You see how he behaves you see what kind of 40 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: man he is, grabbed him by the pussy. Well, how 41 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: would you vote for somebody like that? And then the 42 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: resounding argument was that we just didn't trust Hillary. Oh, 43 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: but you trusted him to me. That is a perfect 44 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: example of the very gray relationship that I've seen white 45 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: women have with voting with other women who are minorities, 46 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: with leadership, with their allegiance to two men, white men 47 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: in particular. Um, it's just also troubling and it man 48 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: of as so many different ways. So for me, by 49 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: way of background, I'll start in my professional career whenever 50 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: I've worked any place, and obviously I have to own 51 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: some some of this as well. I've always found that 52 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: when white women are in charge, they are my most 53 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: difficult bosses, right or supervisor, whatever you wanna call it. 54 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: I get the most grief from them. And in my mind, 55 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: I go, why can't us as women, why aren't we 56 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: um working together? Like, what is the problem? Don't you 57 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: remember the struggle when you were coming up before you 58 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: became the boss. Don't you remember the sexual harassment when 59 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: you were coming up before you became the boss? Why 60 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: when women, in particular white women, when they get in power, 61 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: they forget to send the elevator back down, or they 62 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: forget that they were in the same struggle. Here's an example. 63 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: Really good friend of mine worked at a company and 64 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: her and her colleague came in the same time. She's 65 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: a black woman. The white woman rose became a v 66 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: P of the company, became much more powerful, and she 67 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: at one point became my dear friends supervisor. And one 68 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: day she called her up and said, Hey, I just 69 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: want to talk to you about how you are in 70 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: the office. Black woman, She goes. The white woman tells 71 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: a black woman, don't you think you should smile more 72 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: at work? Just consider that? Like, could you imagine somebody 73 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: telling you to smile? Smile more? What the hell do 74 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: you mean? No, I should smile more? You? First of all, 75 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: you just a stank. Second of all, would you ever 76 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: tell a man that? And third of all, didn't we 77 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: just did? We just rise through the mud together. You 78 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: just faster than me. And therein lies my issue. That's 79 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: how they behave not all of them, but a lot 80 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: of them. And then the summer participated in a project 81 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: called Share the Mic, and it was when we were 82 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: trying to get these honest conversations going about racial injustice 83 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: and social justice and what's been going on in America 84 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: since the beginning of Time, and white women gave up 85 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: their platforms two women of color, and it was a 86 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: specific group. It was curated by a friend of mine 87 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: named Bosama st John Levey did it as well. You 88 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: guys know Lovey and she's an author and amazing author. 89 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: Glenn and Doyle, a bunch of different like high profile 90 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: women came together and decided that we were going to 91 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: do this exchange that was going to be really powerful 92 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: and it was going to allow women of color to 93 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: have a bigger platform to share their concerns. And I 94 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: was assigned Busy Phillips. Busy Phillips, you know her, she's 95 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: our guest today. Um, cult Classic. You know she's been 96 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: in so many different The list goes on, what hasn't 97 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: she been in? Right? I went down a list the 98 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: other day. I was like, wait, hold on, Busy, you've 99 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: been working since the beginning of Time, Freaks and Geeks, 100 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: Malcolm in the Middle, you guys remember those shows. Um, 101 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: she's had a lot of great movies. Um, there are 102 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: a few. I feel pretty I love that he's just 103 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: not into you made of Honor White Chicks list goes 104 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: on and on. She is a working actress. She's had 105 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: her own show, Dawston's Creek, depending on how old you are. 106 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: She has been in the game for a long time, 107 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: and so I'm excited about taking over her platform and 108 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: finally meeting her. But I have my hesitations and we 109 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: talk on the phone. I tell her my concerns. I 110 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: tell her I'm just leaving a job where I really 111 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: had horrible experiences with my one white boss, who was 112 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: a woman who was so mean to me and she 113 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: made my life miserable. But she was just executing the 114 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: orders of her white boss, who was a male, and 115 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: I just was like, I can't I mean, I don't 116 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: understand why there's no sisterhood. I really just don't trust 117 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: white women. I'll get on my nerves. I swear to God. 118 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: That's the kind of conversation I was having with Busy. 119 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: She turns to me, she goes, listen, we just sneaky, sneaky. 120 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: What you know, sneaky? Yeah, or sneaky? But why do 121 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: you feel that way? And her and I went for 122 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: hours and talked about this, and we embarked on a 123 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: new relationship where she helped me understand how white women 124 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: are socialized, which is how they in turn act in 125 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: the workplace or in relationships. Not all white women. But 126 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: she even explained to me that growing up with her mom, 127 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: she could discuss her mouth always get with her dad, 128 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: but she'd be like, MO, fuck you, I'm not doing it, 129 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: fucking mom. I'd be like, I wish I would, I 130 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: wish I would. I listen, I could never. But it 131 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: explains their lack of allegiance to other women and disrespect 132 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: of women. Not all white women. I'm talking about a 133 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: particular type that fits that mold. And then I asked 134 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: her about the crying, like why is crying always a fallback? 135 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: And this is funny because I cry on the podcast. 136 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: But she she said to me, it's just the tears 137 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: are the way to get away with whatever you want 138 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: to have, your way to to familiarize yourself in getting 139 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: good position and use your femininity. That vulnerability makes people 140 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: feel sorry for you. In turn, they want to do 141 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: for you as a black woman, as a black woman. 142 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,679 Speaker 1: Rather my tears scare, my tears mean anger. My tears 143 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: do not help me move ahead in the workplace. In fact, 144 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: I get in more trouble. It makes people uncomfortable as 145 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: opposed to, Oh, she seems tender and sweet, let me 146 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: help her. That's a whole societal problem. Anyway. I say 147 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: all that to say that if I hadn't met Busy 148 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: Phillips at the time in which I met her, I 149 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: probably would have had a very very stereotypical, uneducated view 150 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: of how I felt about white women in the workplace. 151 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: Now there's somebody else, Okay, So that ain't the point. 152 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: The point is is that Busy really gave me an education, 153 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: but most importantly a friendship. This woman is an activist, 154 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: an advocate, a mother, a wife, and she's doing the work. 155 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's work. It's worked to figure out who 156 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: you are. It's worked to hear somebody say they don't 157 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: like you. It's worked to want to be better and 158 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: make this world a better place. She is doing all 159 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: the work, and today she gets into it, not only 160 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: into being a white woman in this world, but also 161 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: what it means to be a woman period, from abortion 162 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: rights to overcoming certain images that she's had in her 163 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: head about what she should do and look alike, and 164 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: be two being a mother who's completely comfortable with her 165 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: daughter saying, hey, Mom, I'm gay. Great, one more thing 166 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: for me to fight for rights for, you know, I mean, Wow, 167 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: She's just powerful. So listen. Plental discretion is advised because 168 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: we are talking about abortions. She's very vocal about having 169 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: one and what it felt like, and about being raped. 170 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: We're talking about all of those things. If you're not 171 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: ready to hear that, you might want to press pause, 172 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: but I encourage you to listen because it's food for 173 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: the soul. Busy Phillips on Naked. I'm not trying to 174 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: be like a white savior out here, you know what 175 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, Either like I don't want I don't want that, 176 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm just I just want. I just recognize, 177 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: and I want to be able to point in the 178 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: direction of the people who have the messages, the right messages, 179 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: who have the lived experiences, and who have the fucking 180 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: ideas of how to move forward. I'm smart enough to 181 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: know that I'm not fucking smart enough to figure it 182 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: all out. I just do, though, fundamentally, feel like if 183 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: you don't see the injustice in this country specifically but 184 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: especially I mean worldwide obviously, but in we live in 185 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: this fucking country and if you can't see the injustice, 186 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: then you need to get your eyes fucking checked. Busy Phillips, 187 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,239 Speaker 1: on paper is a privileged white woman, an actor and activists, 188 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: a mother, a wife. Her body of work is also 189 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: very impressive, popular TV shows, extremely cult like, and when 190 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: I mean cult like in a good way, movies White 191 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: Chicks is what I'm thinking of. However, what I have 192 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: come to learn is that there was so much more 193 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: too Busy Phillips, so much more to Busy Phillips. And 194 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because after a while, she clearly 195 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: explains why she is who she is, and she's become 196 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: actually one of my favorite white people. And I mean 197 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: that in the best of ways. I was born in Chicago, 198 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: and my parents both had been born and raised in 199 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: the Chicago area suburbs of Chicago. And then when I 200 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: was just before first grade, so like six five six, 201 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: my dad's job got transferred to Arizona. We all went, obviously, 202 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: and uh, and that was a big change, Like it 203 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: was a huge difference. And that's where I grew up. 204 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: And I always felt a little bit like I didn't 205 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: fit in there, and I always just wanted to get out. 206 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: I just wanted to get out. I went to a 207 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: huge high school, public high school in Scottsdale. There was 208 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: one black girl in my class, in the entire class. 209 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: I remember getting into fights with kids at school about 210 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: political beliefs and stuff. You know that gay, gay people 211 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: should have the right to get married, that love is love. 212 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: You know that we need to fight for justice, that 213 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: abortion should be safe and legal. And then there were 214 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: situational things that happened to me trauma like big TA 215 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: trauma sexual assault when I was fourteen, and then when 216 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: I was fifteen, getting pregnant by my boyfriend at the 217 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: time and having an abortion that was really traumatic for me. 218 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: And I graduated from high school at seventeen. I turned 219 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 1: eighteen in June. I moved in July to Los Angeles, 220 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: and I went to l m U for two years, 221 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: and then I started I got started working professionally. When 222 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: Busy talks about trauma with a capital T, and she 223 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: says it as if it's very casual, she's not being casual. 224 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: She wrote about it in her book, But she has 225 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: been a long time activist for women's rights. But the 226 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: capital T trauma is one being raped at fourteen two, 227 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: at fifteen, getting pregnant by your then boyfriend, and ultimately 228 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: getting an abortion. All that happened in a two year span. 229 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: Imagine that I couldn't even imagine fourteen years old, raped, 230 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: fifteen years old, pregnant, then abortion. So I stopped Busy 231 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: and I said, let's get into it. What does it 232 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: all mean. I know that you take this very seriously, 233 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: and she does, but I knew there was shame there 234 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: and that she blamed herself. I know, as a kid, 235 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: she probably blamed herself, and maybe even now as an adult, 236 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: there's somebody listening to this podcast right now who feels 237 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: the exact same way. And I'm so grateful for Busy 238 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: for taking the time to really get into her story. 239 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: Of course, I didn't have the ability to see these 240 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: things at the time, and you know, I wasn't in 241 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: therapy in a real way until much later. But the 242 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: way that I dealt with being raped at fourteen was, honestly, 243 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: I know now very common way that women deal with 244 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: being sexually assaulted or raped, which was that I took 245 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: it on myself and then determined that the way that 246 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: I was going to move forward from that was like 247 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: this is like I wanted that I am a slut. 248 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm slutty. I'm a slutty girl, and I'm gonna give 249 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: it to you, you know what I mean? And so 250 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: and so and I you know, I didn't know that 251 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: that was what I was doing, but that it became 252 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: my default, like in the way that I thought of 253 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: myself as a girl. And then also just you know, 254 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: the nineties were such a fucked time Gary in terms 255 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: of being a woman because the messages that you're getting 256 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky is the slut you know, the Long Island Lolita, Uh, 257 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, like all of these things. Who by the way, 258 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: that Long Island the leader, what Ammy Fisher? I mean, 259 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: she was a child, she was sixteen years old. You know, 260 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: these were the messages that we were given as young 261 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: women coming of age. And like for me, there was 262 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: no conversation in the home. Again, whether it was because 263 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: my parents were a little bit older and old school 264 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: and and and Catholic. I don't know if they thought 265 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: that things were just gonna take care of themselves or what. 266 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what they thought, but um, there was 267 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: no conversation until I literally was pregnant about sex. It's sad, 268 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: but I you know, I also was like, so I 269 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: was moving through the world. I had this boyfriend, I 270 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: was in love with him. Of course I didn't. I 271 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: wasn't on the pill because I wasn't gonna tell anyone 272 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: I was gonna have sex, you know, and I wasn't 273 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: going to ask him to put a condom on because 274 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm just this girl and in my had, you know, 275 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: like sex. The pleasure of sex was for him, Like 276 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I mean, I had sex for years 277 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: before I had an orgasm. I'm sure. I was like, wait, 278 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: what is this? Oh my god, this is it? In 279 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: Roe V. Wade made abortion legal, and I'm giving you 280 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: Layman's terms. Since then, depending on what state you live in, 281 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: laws have been implemented to make it easy or more 282 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: difficult to get an abortion if you are a woman. 283 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: As a result, activists advocates such as Busy have decided 284 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: it's their life right to fight for a woman's right, 285 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: and she gets into it. She understands that this is 286 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: such a divisive topic. When I say divisive, I mean 287 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: you could lose family and friends talking about whether or 288 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: not an abortion should be legal or or more more specifically, 289 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: when is life conceived, conception or at birth? I don't 290 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: want to get into it. That's your choice. Take a 291 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: listen and busy. The choice that I made that was 292 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: right for me and my family in that moment was 293 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: for me to have an abortion, and it was really 294 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: hard for me. It was really hard for me, and 295 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: and I also, you know, part of the reason why 296 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to write about it in my book, part 297 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: of the reason why I chose to speak about it 298 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: at you know, in front of Congress, is that I 299 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: think that because it's such a divisive subject matter, health 300 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: care matter, a lot of times I do feel like 301 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: the pro choice side sort of defaults to, um, it's 302 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: not a big deal. And I think it's okay for 303 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: it to be a big deal for women to make 304 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: the decision to have an abortion and to and to 305 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: feel even conflicted. I think that's okay too. But the 306 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: bottom line is this is this is women's healthcare. It's essential. 307 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: It's essential women's health care. In actuality, It's like they're 308 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: all different reasons why women and their doctors decide that 309 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 1: abortion is the right thing for them. And there's no 310 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: way that some you know, elected official in fuck in 311 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere is able to make that decision 312 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: for a woman two thousand miles away from him. They 313 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: don't even whisper the erectile dysfunction. By the way, my 314 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: kids like my children, no erectile dysfunction is those commercials 315 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: are so insane, but they like can't show but you 316 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: know for period products they like use the blue liquid. Yeah, 317 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: it's insane, It makes no sense, it's complicated, it's difficult, 318 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: and and you know, we're sort of, as women have 319 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: been for so long, taught to just have this like 320 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: inherent shame about our bodies and that and that our 321 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: bodies exist for men's what men's idea of beautiful is 322 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: in that moment. And my life and my body is 323 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: mine and that's not anyone else's, you know. And the 324 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: choices that I've made for myself and for my family 325 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: and continue to make are I am only accountable to 326 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: myself and my God, you know. In early May, after 327 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: Georgia passed this very controversial law it was called the 328 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: Fetal Heartbeat Bill and banned abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. 329 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: Later on that evening, then, when Busy Phillips had her 330 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 1: own talk show, she told the entire nation that she 331 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: got an abortion when she was fifteen years old. Less 332 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: than a month later, because of that bill, she testified, 333 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: I am many things. I am a mother of two 334 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: wonderful girls, aged ten and five. I am a professional 335 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: actor for over twenty years. I am a New York 336 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: Times about selling author. I am a wife. I am 337 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: a daughter. I am a talk show host and a 338 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: volunteer for various children's charities and my kids schools. I 339 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: am a sister, and I am a best friend. I 340 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: am also the one in four women in this country 341 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: who have had an abortion. After the Governor of Georgia 342 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: signed Bill HBO one, which would ban abortion at six 343 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: weeks before most women know they're pregnant, I felt compelled 344 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: to share my own story on my television show and online. 345 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: I had an abortion when I was fifteen years old 346 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: in my home state of Arizona. In It was not 347 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: a decision that I made lightly, but I have never, 348 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: for one moment doubted that it was the right decision 349 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: for me. But so much has changed in Arizona and 350 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: many other states since then. If I were that same 351 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: fifteen year old in Arizona today, legally I would have 352 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: to get parental consent. I would be forced to undergo 353 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: a medically unnecessary ultrasound, go to a state mandated in 354 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: person counseling session designed solely to shame me into changing 355 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: my mind, and then take a state mandated twenty four 356 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: hour time out to make sure I really know what 357 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: I wanted, and finally I would be forced to give 358 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: the state a reason why. Well, here is mine. It 359 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: is my body, not the States. I'm not trying to 360 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: be like a white savior out here, you know what 361 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: I mean? Either like I don't want I don't want that, 362 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: but I'm not. I'm just I just want. I just 363 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: recognize and I want to be able to point in 364 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: the direction of the people who have the messages, the 365 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: right messages, who have the lived experiences, and who have 366 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: the fucking ideas of how to move forward. I'm smart 367 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: enough to know that I'm not fucking smart enough to 368 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: figure it all out. I just do, though, fundamentally feel 369 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: like if you don't see the injustice in this country 370 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: specifically but especially I mean worldwide obviously, but in we 371 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: live in this fucking country, and if you can't see 372 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: the injustice, then you need to get your eyes fucking checked. 373 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: And I and I'm fine if you like love me, 374 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: white ladies, and you think that I'm your best friend 375 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: from high school because you watch Dawson's Creek or whatever, 376 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: and you follow me on Instagram and you love my kids. 377 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: That's great. I would also just ask that, like, also 378 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: you look over here for two and a half seconds. 379 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: That's all I'm trying to do, you know, and like 380 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: maybe there can be some some shift. I do think 381 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: that it's important for people with platforms, especially white women, 382 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: to be allowed and to show the funk up and 383 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: to point in the direction of the people on the 384 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: ground that are doing the work. Because the maternal mortality 385 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: rate in this country is I'm gonna cry right now. 386 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: I it is unacceptable. And until we all as like women, 387 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: get enough fucking age about the fact that like black 388 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: women are dying at a rate of like four times 389 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: they're white counterparts in childbirth, what is happening were the 390 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: richest country in the world. Supposedly, it's unacceptable. We need 391 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: to take health care back from old white men, and 392 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: that starts at the fucking insurance companies and the government 393 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: and trickles its way down because they are killing all 394 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: of us. We'll be back in just a few moments 395 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: more Busy Phillips on the other side of the break. 396 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: Every champion and carry Chappi is to be a champion. 397 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: A champion and carry Chappion and carry Chepion. A cheppion 398 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: and carry Cheppion and carry Cheppi, and the taming can 399 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: make it work. Every Cheppion and carry Chappi is to 400 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: be a Chappian, a champion. They carry Cheppion, they Chappi 401 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: and they carry Cheppion and carry Chappi, and the taming 402 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: can make it warm. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Naked. 403 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: Today's guests Busy Phillips. So, I'm curious, Busy, what did 404 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: you learn through your experience with Carrie about black women? Wow? Well, um, so, Janelle, like, 405 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: Carrie is not my first black friend on the record. 406 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: What was so incredible about Carrie was her immediate like, 407 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to be honest with you. I have not 408 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: had a good experience with white women, and so right 409 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: now I'm just coming. I need to tell you where 410 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm like coming into this from this space from And 411 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: I was like, well, I love a challenge. So when 412 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: Busy Phillips came on my show, my Vice TV show, 413 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: we both had an emotional moment. Because of the share 414 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: that my experience, I really was able to get a 415 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: new friend. And that is a very serious word for me. 416 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: And I'm confessing to you, guys, I have had some 417 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: serious issues with white women, and I'm sure I'm responsible 418 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: just as responsible in certain ways for my complete lack 419 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: of trust, my inability to communicate, and then my just 420 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: my overall disdain like these are These are serious issues 421 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: that I've had for years. I'm a grown ass woman, 422 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: I am a professional, and I just really didn't trust them. 423 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: And Busy listened. She wasn't trying to be a savior, 424 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: as she has mentioned before. She listened and she made 425 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: me feel safe, and then not only did she do that, 426 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: she went the extra step and became a friend. She is. 427 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: Her heart is so good. I get so emotional sharing 428 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: the story, but her heart is so good. And it 429 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: made me realize that everybody ain't the same, Carrie. Even 430 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: though all your experiences have been awful in the workplace, 431 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: there aren't There aren't all the same. And I have 432 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: to thank her for that. I joke with you guys 433 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: and say she is my favorite white friend, but I 434 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: do mean that. I mean that in a way in 435 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: which she really touched my heart and she changed my 436 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 1: spirit because I had an overall disdain mistrust, can't stand you. 437 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: Oh you get on my nerves. Here she comes again. 438 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: She's sneaky white woman approach, and all that was doing 439 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: was stopping me and blocking me from whatever I needed 440 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: to do next. So I'm grateful for her for that moment. 441 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: But this is where it leads us. She quite honestly says, 442 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: there is a reason to feel that way because she's 443 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: been taught and other white women that she knows have 444 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: been taught to be competitive. And that's where we are 445 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: right now. Why are women so competitive with one another? 446 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: I was talking to my friend Ashley Park, who's on 447 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: girls five level with me. Ashley was saying, like, as 448 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,880 Speaker 1: an Asian actor, I always thought like, oh, there's only 449 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: room for one you know what I mean in any job. 450 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: So like she was like always like super competitive, and 451 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: she's like, only now if I realized, like, that's such 452 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: fucking bullshit. And that's the thing you and I talked 453 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: about with women in terms of like women, we don't 454 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: think that like there can only be one of you, 455 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: one of me, one of this other you know girl, 456 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: and then thirteen men. And we don't question why there's 457 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: thirteen white men, you know what I mean, We're just like, yep, nope, 458 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: they're right, there can only be one one of us. 459 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: Busy has always talked about how difficult Hollywood is and 460 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: how tough the business is. I know exactly what she means. 461 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: Everyone who works in any in any world where there 462 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: are so few of you, it's always competition. We always 463 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: think there can only be one. But for whatever reasons, 464 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: and I think it has a lot to do with 465 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: her integrity as well as acting ability. Busy has stay 466 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: tried and true. You know her from Dawson's Creek. She's 467 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 1: been a part of some amazing hit shows that people love, 468 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: cougar Town, Freaks and Geeks. List goes on and on. 469 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: But for the big screen. I mean, here's some of 470 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: my favorites, such girl things right, he's just not that 471 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: into you, made of honor, and last but not least, 472 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: White Chicks. Busy talk to me about working with the 473 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: Waynes Brothers going into it, like I was so excited 474 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: to work with the Lands, like beyond excited to work 475 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: with the Waynes Brothers, like I, you know, loved the 476 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: TV show I was like that. I watched that when 477 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: I was a little kid, The Fly Girls j LO 478 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: like in my head when I was a little kid, 479 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: Carrie wanting to be an actor. I was like, I'm 480 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: going to be one of the white people on in 481 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: Living Color. And they did not disappoint their wonderful and 482 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: uh and I love that they are loyal, they have 483 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: family around, like I respect so much of how they 484 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: do their business and how they make their movies. And um, 485 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: whether you think it's it's just dumb funny or you 486 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: hate it, I I can't, you know. I love it. 487 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: So I met Busy at the beginning of COVID, the 488 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: height of COVID, if you will. And it's been hard 489 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: for everybody in so many different ways. And I'm not 490 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: saying her problems are not high class problems, because they are. 491 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: But she decided to move to New York for her, 492 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: that was the right decision for her and her family. 493 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: But in the process, something wonderful happened, and I'm so 494 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: excited for her. She fell in love with the art 495 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: again acting and she booked a new show that will 496 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: stream on Peacock that's NBC streaming channel, and it's called 497 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: Girls five. Ever, the concept is amazing. It begins on 498 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: May six. I encourage everyone just to tune in and 499 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: pay attention. By way of background, Busy explains how we 500 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: got to this point. I have been so lucky to 501 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: be a part of so many iconic shows and movies. 502 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: And yes, my career has been so cool, and I've been, 503 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, very very very blessed. But that being said, 504 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: I did not I didn't want to act anymore. I 505 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: had hit a wall, like a few years ago. I 506 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: just was like, it's too heartbreak making the business sucks, 507 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: it's never going to change. It's just too difficult. I 508 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: don't like, I don't want to be a part of 509 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: something where I'm not in control of it, or where 510 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm being asked to say. I don't want to do 511 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: anything that could hurt somebody. Like I just had all 512 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: of these things going on in my head. Plus we're 513 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: living in l A. I have two kids who were 514 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: pretty little at the time, and all the jobs I 515 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: was being offered or we're you know that I would 516 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: maybe even possibly want, We're out of town and I 517 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: couldn't be I have no judgments about anyone who has 518 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: to like commute and have kids, and you know whatever, 519 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: but that just wasn't that wasn't what my children required 520 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: of me. And so the podcast. We started the podcast 521 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: last summer and then I was feeling really uneasy in 522 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: Los Angeles. We tried to look for a house to 523 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: rent outside of the city, like in Malibu or something 524 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: like is somewhere outside of l a proper and we 525 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: couldn't find anything. We like, applied for houses in Malibu, 526 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: we got rejected and then uh Mark was like looking 527 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: online and he was like, we could get we were 528 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: in a townhouse in in Soho right now for what 529 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: it would cost to have or less than what Malibu 530 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: is charging. And I'm like, New York what And he's like, 531 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, It's just an idea. And then the 532 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: fires started in Los Angeles and I was having a 533 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: really hard time breathing and I was coughing all the time, 534 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: and guys, I don't need to tell you in the 535 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: in the last year, when you have a cough, it's 536 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: not a great feeling. And it was it just felt 537 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: like sort of apocalyptic and very scary, and I just 538 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: wanted I was like a little I was like a bird. 539 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: I was I needed to get out, and so I 540 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: said to Mark, I was like, just book at book 541 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: that place. We're out of here. So we left for 542 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: three weeks. That's what we thought we were gonna do. 543 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: We told the kids they're going to do remote Remote 544 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: school from New York for three weeks, and on week two, 545 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: Tina Fe, the Tina Fe called and said, listen, we 546 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: have this show. We're only going to do eight episodes 547 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: because of COVID. It's filming here in New York. We 548 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: always wanted you for this one part, but because you 549 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: lived in l A and your kids, I was never 550 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: gonna ask you to make that decision because she gets it, 551 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: but you're here, do you want to just stay and 552 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: do this show? So here's what I love about the show. 553 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: So it's from Tina Fe and it's written by this woman, 554 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: Meredith Scardino, who's just so brilliant, and it's really about 555 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: and carry you're gonna love it. It's really about women 556 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: reclaiming their own narrative. And when you know, we do 557 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: the flashbacks to the nineties and uh and the songs 558 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: that we sing like jail Bait, great at Sex, but 559 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: it's our first time, like you know, the messages in 560 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 1: our songs were being completely controlled by our manager who's 561 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: like kind of like a gross old man in the nineties, 562 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 1: you know, and we we're all essentially teenagers in our 563 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,959 Speaker 1: early twenties and um, and then we come back together 564 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 1: as adults, these four women who have this really important 565 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: formative experience together and who have allowed it to shape 566 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: them in all different ways, and they find like true 567 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: friendship and true empowerment through supporting one another and being 568 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: in a group together, not not like solo, not out 569 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: for yourself, Like we are best when we're supporting each other, 570 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: and we don't have to like and we don't have 571 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 1: to sing the songs that the men are giving us. 572 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: We can write our own damn songs. I think the 573 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: show is a is a perfect marriage. It is life 574 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: imitating art because Busy has said over and over again 575 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: she was over the business, over the way she was 576 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: being treated, over the way people treated other women. And 577 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: this show is arguably an example of what happens when 578 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: women who were once considered washed up come together and 579 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: say I'm reclaiming all that is mine now that I 580 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: am forty plus and empowered. It stars Sarah Boreles, Ronalie 581 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: s Goldsberry and Paula Pell. You may have seen I 582 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: don't know. If you follow Busy on Instagram, you may 583 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: have seen her pole dancing. Yeah, pole dancing, Busy women 584 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: who don't give a fuck all the ingredients for a 585 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: great television show. This is the thing carry There is 586 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: such freedom with getting older because you don't give a fuck, 587 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I swear to God, 588 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: I made really wild choices in this part, including that 589 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: I was going to go take pole dancing classes and 590 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: do the whole pole routine myself. Did I care about 591 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: the fact that pandemic ebbs, I'm maybe some amount of 592 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: weight up than my normal body that I've been used 593 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: to for a while. I mean, I did care a bit, 594 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: but I also was like funky, who cares, you know, 595 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,720 Speaker 1: and like just like did it? And I feel really 596 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel really great. I'm excited for 597 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: people to see it. Everything happens for a reason, literally, 598 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: I believe that, and if you don't, I don't care 599 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: if you disagree. This show is going to be amazing, 600 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: But it also just perfectly illustrates where Busy is in 601 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: her life right now. She's a woman unapologetic on a 602 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: mission an activists. She's not asking for permission, she is 603 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: taking and I am so so proud of her. I'm 604 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: excited about this new show girls I've ever Hopefully when 605 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: watching it you will feel empowered. But more specifically, while 606 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: listening to this podcast, I hope you felt as if 607 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 1: you were being liberated from shame. I hope you felt 608 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: as if you were not alone in the quest to 609 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: find some sort of answers that are associated with laws 610 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: that tell women what to do with their bodies. If 611 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: you have been raped, if you have had an abortion, 612 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: if you have been sexually assaulted in any form or fashion, 613 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: know that you are not the person who did wrong. 614 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: I know that you are the victim. There should be 615 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: no question about whether or not you did anything wrong. 616 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: And I'm being careful in choosing my words because I 617 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: know how women are. We naturally like to take on 618 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: everything and say, oh, it is our fault, maybe I 619 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: should have. We often find ourselves apologizing for no reason. 620 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, I'm late, Oh I'm sorry, thank you 621 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: for doing that. Oh sorry, is it okay? If I 622 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: speak now? None of that should be your claim to fame, 623 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: None of that should be your walk. This podcast was 624 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: in credibly tough to talk about in a way in 625 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: which I didn't want to offend people will always be offended, 626 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: but also in a way in which I wanted to 627 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: make sure if you are a woman who has experienced 628 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: any of this, you felt safe, You felt as if 629 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: someone understood your story and you were not in this alone. 630 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: We live in a crazy world where men tell us 631 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: how we should use our bodies, when certain beliefs and 632 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: systems are put in place, and we start socializing ourselves 633 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: according to those beliefs that are put in place. At 634 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 1: fifteen years old, Busy felt like she couldn't tell her 635 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 1: parents she was pregnant because there were shame associated with pregnancy, 636 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 1: and they found out she was pregnant by reading her diary, 637 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 1: and then she got an abortion. I couldn't even imagine. 638 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: I mean I can, but I couldn't even imagine the 639 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,839 Speaker 1: trauma that she experienced in that moment, that she has 640 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: carried with her throughout her entire life now into adulthood, 641 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: and you know, knowingly or unknowingly passing it along to 642 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: her children. We have to end these curses. We have 643 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: to end these the shame that is associated with a 644 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: natural cycle of life that happens this Naked podcast is something, 645 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: hain't it. I haven't been sexually assaulted. I have been 646 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: sexually harassed, and here's the here's the oh my god, 647 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: here's the rub with it all. I act like it 648 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 1: doesn't happen. As a woman, we have been so used 649 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: to it, so acclimated to sexual harassment. We act as 650 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: if it doesn't happen. It is a part of the job, 651 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 1: and it's a part of our daily experience. It's just 652 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: what we do. Here's to normalizing saying stop touching me, 653 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: sucker to kick your ass. Here's to normalizing saying I 654 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: do have the right to choose what I want to 655 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: do with my body. Here's to normalizing getting rid of 656 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: shame when you make a decision that you feel is 657 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: right for you. Okay, ladies, fellas if you listen and 658 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 1: pass it along, thank you for listening to this edition 659 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: of Naked