WEBVTT - Quazgaa and Joohop 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:05.600 Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio and 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:13.080 Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankie. This woman says that 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:16.840 she was abducted by beings from another planet and taken 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:21.240 on board their spaceship, where she experienced the bizarre, unforgetable 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:25.040 Atorney in time and space, and it makes her story credible. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:29.120 Is the work that a team of Lupo researchers headed 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.600 by this man did. The document the incident. Are the 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:36.720 results of their findings I reported in this fascinating book 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:42.680 Beyond Ryerson Affair. Would you please welcome Betty Andreson and 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:51.159 Raymond Foller, whatever macomes very Could you briefly tell us 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:55.200 what happened. I was taken out in state backyard, and 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:58.280 I was taken up board dear craft, and I was 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:04.160 given um extensive examination, but to exchange place and then 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:08.800 returned home to maintain consciousness through all us inspiracy. Yes 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:14.119 I did. Betty and Barney Hill's experience was the first 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:18.479 story of alien abduction to become widely known, and as 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:22.800 the first, it established the elements that subsequent abduction tales 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.280 would contain. People such as Betty Andreason would take these 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:32.280 elements and expand on them, creating even more incredible narratives. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:50.200 I'm Toby Ball and this is strange Arrivals Episode eight, 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:56.920 missing time. Each stage of Betty and Barney Hills September 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:03.360 UFO encounter seems to have a prosaic explanation. But they 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.800 arrived home around five in the morning, not two as 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:13.160 they'd expected. What happened during those missing hours. The original 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.399 estimate of two am came from a stop they made 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.840 at a restaurant in Colebrook, New Hampshire. As they left, 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.560 they noticed that a clock on the wall red just 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:27.280 after ten pm. They thought the rest of the trip 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:33.080 should have taken between four and five hours. Last episode, 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:37.880 other Jim McDonald described driving the Hills route, comparing where 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:40.000 in the sky he saw the light on top of 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:44.200 Cannon Mountain to the description of the UFOs movements in 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.960 John Fuller's book A Journey Interrupted. He believes that they 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.320 were running later than they thought, even before they entered 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:57.919 Franconian Notch. Author Jim McDonald now we know they left 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.040 Colebrook around ten pm, and Fuller says that they're at 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:06.880 Twin Mountain, approaching Franconia Notch at eleven. This is just impossible. 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.360 It cannot be done in eleven pm. They're only just 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.800 a little bit south of Lancaster, still north of Whitefield. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.239 One of the pieces of evidences that their watches had 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.720 stopped when they were home the next day. Especially in 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.200 the early sixties with the wind up watches, it was 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.760 easy enough to break a spring to jam those things. 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:30.360 Watches were delicate. We have no idea when their watches 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.480 stopped working, but based on that information, I would say 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:37.200 their watches had already stopped at some time before they 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:42.040 got to Franconia Notch, before the sighting even began. They 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.400 were confused about the time. It's sixty two miles on dark, 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:52.760 winding rural roads from Colebrook to Franconian Notch. Today Google 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:55.920 Maps predicts an hour and twenty four minutes for daytime 0:03:56.000 --> 0:04:03.000 driving at night in it would have taken longer as 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.200 far as how much time they spent. Remember they were 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:10.120 stopping repeatedly to walk the dog to look at their 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:14.280 strange light in the sky. They deliberately drove slowly for 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.359 a portion of the trip. They got lost up a 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.600 side road, and they spent some time driving around downtown 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:24.000 Conquered looking for an open coffee shop. How many times 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.240 they stopped at least a half a dozen. It's easy 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:31.279 to lose two hours doing that. A few months back, 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.360 I was down in Lineborough. Now, I'm sure driving around 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.119 on a road that was very much like what US 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.800 three would have been like in the nineteen sixties. Three 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.560 has been expanded and straightened and flattened quite a bit 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.680 since then. But even so, there I was driving along 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.039 and I thought I was driving fifty five. I looked 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.920 down at my spenometer. I was doing thirty. My thought 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.360 is that Betty and Barney, when they estimated were doing 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.239 fifty to fifty five, know they were doing like thirty 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.760 all so we know from Fuller's book. And they crossed 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:08.560 over from Canada at around nine and got to Colebrook 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.400 round ten. It's ten miles from the border crossing to Colebrook. 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.200 They weren't driving any They were drawing closer to twenty, 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:20.120 which give him what this road looked like then. Very reasonable, 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:27.159 UFO investigator Robert Schaefer. They talked about driving so slowly, 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.640 you know, at one point Barney said later that he 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.640 was only driving along at five miles an hour. Looking 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:34.280 at this thing, Well, if you're driving a lot of 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.520 five miles an hour. You know at first year you're 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.719 going to get home late. Suddenly the missing hours have 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:46.039 become more understandable. Their watches stopped working, so their timing 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:50.800 was off. Before the encounter began, they drove very slowly 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.840 for portions of the trip. They stopped on several occasions 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.640 for various lengths of time. They took a detour through 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.920 conquered add in that they had been on the road 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:05.520 for so long and must have been fatigued and possibly 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.200 not driving as fast as they thought they were. The 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:14.280 missing time seems to have eroded away, and with this explained, 0:06:14.800 --> 0:06:19.200 there's nothing left except for a strange story compelling. Lee told, 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.240 there's no evidence you can point to and say, see, 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:27.800 here's the proof. This is not to say that Betty 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.839 and Barney Hill were lying or deceptive. No one I 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:36.200 talked to believes this. They were in a confusing, stressful 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:42.040 situation and misinterpreted what they saw. They later underwent hypnosis 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.040 and told a story based on Betty's dreams that we 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:51.960 know can't be taken literally. Tragically, Barney died in nineteen 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.840 sixty nine at age forty six of a cerebral hemorrhage. 0:06:57.000 --> 0:07:00.159 In the years that followed, Betty became a celebrity in 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:05.800 the UFO world, but her credibility suffered. After Barney's death, 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.120 Betty's claims about her interactions with UFOs and aliens became 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:15.200 more and more outlandish. She kept a journal titled Strange Events. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.360 In it, she typed out things that supposedly had either 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.520 happened to her or that she had heard about. Here's 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:27.680 an example, taken more or less at random from February 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:33.800 five on one of weight As I was going down 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:38.160 the hill, I saw a UFO behind the trees over 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.760 the trailer. As I came closer, it moved from behind 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:47.240 the trees, crossed the trailer yard and headed towards me. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.120 It began to descend, and here the road is higher 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.280 than the field. It was very close and large and 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.920 level with the road, about twenty ft across the law 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.920 large bright white lights and a small red one. Two 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.480 cars came and it turned away from me towards the field, 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.960 moving slowly. I immediately parked to watch it. It had 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:16.440 three lights on the back, and I began a panic. 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.240 It was less than fifty feet from me, and I 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:23.640 thought it was going to crash. I heard a faint 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:28.640 humming sound, and then it traveled just above the ground 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.880 and went towards the ocean. I headed for home at 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:36.360 the one on one bypass an Exeter. It suddenly reappeared 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.960 stopped the other side of the traffic light. I did 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.080 not see it before I went through the light. Suddenly 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.840 this UFO dropped down close to the road. I stopped 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:50.240 my car. All cars screeched to a hall and sat there. 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:55.280 UFO rose and began to move across the highway and disappeared, 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:59.680 traveling from the left to the right. Skeptoid host Bryan 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:05.240 n she was a lifelong UFO obsessive to a point 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:09.760 that was practically a psychological illness. In the letter to 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.400 a friend, she wrote, Barney and I go out frequently 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.439 at night for one reason or another. Since last October, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.920 we have seen our friends in quotes on the average 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.839 of eight or nine times out of every ten trips. 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:25.480 She would believe that she saw UFOs everywhere she went. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.120 She was part of UFO groups, and other people in 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.360 the group's kind of I don't want to say, laughed 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:34.960 at her, mocked her, but they knew her to be 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.880 someone who saw in the UFO and everything she looked at. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.720 Here's a story where they were looking at a street 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.400 light and she was saying, no, it's a UFO. Standing 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:49.079 on a tripod, Betty took strange, out of focus photos 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:53.200 of what she claimed were flying saucers. Here she is 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.200 showing slides of her photos at a UFO conference. In 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:03.920 the image is she presents are blurred and impossible to identify. 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:11.200 This is a carrier. The bottom opens up and the 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:16.400 disc dropped down. Next, now they are and here we 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.199 have the same flight pal, same position as we had 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:24.679 before with the seven flying in V formation. Here this 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:33.480 atable next. Okay, here we have a disk in a boomerang. Next, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:39.680 this one is absolutely huge. It filled up the whole field. 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.600 And I went back with my car and drove along 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.480 the edge of the field and it's over a quarter 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:51.600 of a mile. And this one was tremendous roaring sound. 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.840 It's sounded like ten jets. And that's only part of it. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.240 I don't have it all on the slide, but they 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:04.400 have red light at the very ends. Next that he 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.560 back up to the previous question about communication. You have 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.200 had communication in the form of blinking your headlights at them. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:18.439 Is that correct. Oh, yeah, that I'd say indirect communication. Um, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.679 you know, as I was saying, they don't leave the crap, 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.040 they don't speak. But like we've done things like allowed 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.800 to emplay Christmas carols and then have a UFO fly 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:32.680 over playing back the same Christmas carols. This story is 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.319 an example of how she undermined her own credibility with 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:41.040 tales that seem clearly fanciful. It is important, though, to 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.679 remember that this is almost twenty five years after her 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:51.360 hypnosis sessions again Robert Schaefer. Betty actually wrote a self 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:55.760 published book, I think, and it was called Common Sense 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.679 about UFOs by Betty Hill. If you read that book, 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.240 utterly amazing. She'd be standing like near the mouth of 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:07.000 a river and she would see entire fleets of hundreds 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.960 of UFOs would come in off the ocean and would 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.800 fly up the river. I suspect she was saying some 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.520 birds and in her imagination of birds were UFOs, or 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:21.520 maybe she just made the whole thing up. In Kathleen 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:26.440 Martin's book captured the Betty and Barney Hill UFO experience, 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:32.240 Kathleen acknowledges the credibility problem caused by Betty's later years 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.439 Betty's fall from grace ultimately transpired because she surrounded herself 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.400 with UFO enthusiasts who looked to her for guidance. Many 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:45.360 were not trained observers or UFO investigators, but friends who 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:49.720 supported her belief that they were observing extraterrestrial craft, even 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:54.199 when they were misidentifying conventional aircraft. Some of their descriptions 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.559 seemed to support the conjecture that at least a few 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:01.520 of their observations were anomalous. Addition, some of these observations 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.079 were made by trained military observers and UFO investigators who 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:10.400 confirmed that they had observed unconventional craft. Betty publicized this 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.080 information because she thought she was contributing valuable information to 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:18.080 the scientific community. What we must remember, though, is Betty 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:22.040 was not a scientist or a trained observer. After Barney's death, 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:27.120 she turned away from careful objective evaluation and, with subjective enthusiasm, 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.240 began to identify any lights in the sky as UFOs. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.600 In the end, it destroyed her credibility, not because she 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:37.679 didn't observe a photograph UFOs, but because she failed to 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:44.600 heed John Fuller's warnings. Fuller, the author of an Interrupted Journey, 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.880 wrote letters to Betty, warning that she would undermine her 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:54.720 credibility if she promoted questionable sightings. Betty's fantastical claims later 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:57.840 in life are not proof that she misidentified what she 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.920 saw in nine six one, but in my mind they 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.800 reflect a kind of openness to drawing incredible conclusions based 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:11.080 on fairly ordinary circumstances. Remember, she pegged a light in 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:15.680 the sky as a UFO pretty much right away, regardless 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.120 of what actually happened that September night. The Hill story 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:26.200 had a cultural impact that resonates today, UFO researcher Alejandro Rojas. 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.440 It was the first kind of in the media alleged 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:34.840 alien abduction experience. The whole idea about these beings from 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:38.600 Zetta Reticulate coming here comes from this. So for the 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:43.120 mythos of it all, it's been very significant. And it's 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.240 not just the concept of alien abduction that began with 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:50.280 the Hills. Their story of their time aboard the craft 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:55.720 became the template for subsequent alien abduction stories. It was 0:14:55.760 --> 0:15:01.240 a template that prevailed very much from nineteen six to 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.880 really right up until the nineteen eighties. The Hill story 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:10.880 provided the basic framework for future alien abduction stories, but 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.720 it wouldn't be enough to tell a variation of their narrative. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:18.600 The news stories would have to be more incredible. After 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:40.320 the break, strange arrivals will return in a moment. A 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:45.720 Journey Interrupted was published in nineteen sixty six. Just months later, 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:52.960 in January of another abduction allegedly occurred. This was the 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.600 abduction of Betty Andreasen, who was taken from her home 0:15:56.600 --> 0:16:01.000 in Ashburnham, Massachusetts. Her story was told in the nine 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:07.360 book De Andreason Affair by Raymond Fowler, a former colleague 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:13.000 of John Fuller's. Betty Andreason was a fundamentalist Christian who 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:19.080 was taken aboard of flying Saucer by two very friendly aliens. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:21.840 The names of the two aliens, as I recall, were 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:28.160 Quasgaw and jew Hop. This is author Terry Matheson. I'm 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.400 a retired English professor taught at the University of Saskatchewan 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:35.240 for many years, and I wrote a book back in 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:41.840 the nineties called Alien Abductions Creating a Modern Phenomenon, where 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:46.800 I analyzed a number of books about the alien abduction phenomenon. 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.480 They were all best sellers, or most of them were 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.560 sold very well and reach a wide swath of the public. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:59.680 And I was interested in how the narratives developed. The 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.280 Bit Andreason story showed how the Hill narrative could be 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:08.560 used and expanded upon. Betty Andreason was a homemaker with 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.439 seven children who was allegedly taken from her home on 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.159 a night when her husband was in the hospital and 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:20.359 her parents were visiting here. Author Raymond Fowler described the 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:24.720 beginning of the encounter during a nineteen seventy nine radio interview. 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.480 It's how about explaining to the listeners and to me too, 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.160 for that matter, what exactly happened to Betty and Becky 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:36.520 Andreas And on January on that particularly evening, about six pm, 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.600 uh there was an intimittent power failure. Simultaneously that there 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.560 was a flashing orange light which king through the kitchen window, 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:49.400 which overlooks a huge field. The children was scared Mrs 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.600 Andreas and shoot her seven children into the living room. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.200 Her father ran to the kitchen window and looked out 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.480 and claimed he saw what looked like children dressed in 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.119 strange Halloween cost On second luck, though, he saw that 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.480 they weren't walking, but they were moving, floating with a 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:07.399 hopping motion. All you can remember after that is in 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.399 somehow getting in the house. They did enter the house 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.800 Mrs Andreas and communicated with him through mental telepathy. Other 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.800 members of the family seemed to have just frozen in motion. 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:19.480 For want of a better term, we called it. We 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:24.080 called it suspended animation. Mrs Andreason was very concerned about 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.119 her family, and they allowed Becky Andreas, and she was 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:28.720 a loving years all at the time, to come out 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.960 of this state of suspended animation, to assure Mrs Andreas 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.199 and that she was all right, uh, And then to 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:39.639 make a long story shot. They convinced Betty Andreas and 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.440 to follow them to a craft which was out in 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:44.920 the back yard. She felt that she had free will, 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.159 but and looking back hindsight, felt that they had complete 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:53.760 control over everything that she did. So you can see 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.200 where there are some of the elements of the hell story, 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:01.159 the abduction, the control the aliens have over her. But 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:06.000 she has already added elements the suspended animation and the 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:10.960 aliens themselves, two of whom, as Terry Mathieson mentioned earlier, 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.800 were named Quasga and jew hop. Betty Andreason was a 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.560 bit of an artist. She grew pictures of Clasgow and 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.720 Jew and they were sort of tow little beings. You 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.760 can find the images that she drew on the Internet. 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:30.800 They're of whimsical creatures, not the strange, ambiguous, though ultimately 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:36.600 friendly aliens described by Betty Hill. In another parallel with 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:41.440 the Hill case, Betty Andreason's experience on the alien spacecraft 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.800 was recovered through regression hypnosis years after the fact. Her 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.959 sessions were conducted by Harold Edelstein, who at the time 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.680 was the director of the New England Institute of Hypnosis. 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:59.920 Her story begins with obvious similarities to Betty Hills again 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:04.800 and Raymond Fowler. The craft is very small. They stayed 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:09.080 in their craft for Philly long time. She felt heaviness 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.560 and so forth, and then it stopped, and she felt 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.879 that she was taking aboard Aliga craft where she was 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.000 subjected to the effects of a number of very very 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:23.200 strange instruments. Fowler had brought portions of Andreason's hypnosis session 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:27.320 tapes with him to this radio interview. If you would 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.479 give us background so we can lead up to what 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.600 I understand is going to be a pretty startling piece 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.399 of audio tape that we're going to be listening to. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.320 All Right, the audio tape that you're going to be 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:41.960 hearing excerpts from comes from one of fourteen hypnotic regression sessions, 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:46.600 and it concerns Betty Andreason, who allegedly was abducted by 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.199 uf All occupants and given, among many other things, a 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:54.240 physical examination. What you're about to hear is a small 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.359 segment of that physical examination. And I think that you 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.280 will be able to relive with her of the trauma 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.600 and the hay uh and the emotion that she experienced 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:07.800 reliving this experience under hypnosis. And she is under hypnosis 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:12.320 and recounting, reliving, not recounting, and really living. Okay, there 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:40.320 listening up, it's breaking like it, Oh, it's hanging. And 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:44.800 here is where her story diverges significantly from the Hill narrative. 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:50.159 After Betty Hill's examination, she talked with the leader and 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:54.720 was shown a map of the alien's domain. Betty Andreason, 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:59.000 on the other hand, was actually taken to see distant worlds, 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.160 and the worlds are pretty clearly a reflection of her 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:09.600 religious beliefs. This is Betty Andreason from an interview on 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:14.800 the Transitions radio show in nine Well after they had 0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.760 examined me, they took me back to the cubicle where 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.280 they told me to change into my regular clothes, and 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:24.520 from there I was escorted into this room that appeared 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:29.600 like a quantt uh hot type from half cylindrical, and 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.720 within it were eight glass like chairs, and they sat 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:34.960 me down in the one of the chairs to the right, 0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:38.280 and this hood, glass like hood came down. I could 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:41.119 hear it clicker on me, and then I felt very cold, 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:44.600 as if I was breezing. They had her switched chairs 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.360 and again sealed her up. They put tubes in her 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:51.639 nose and another in her mouth and told her to 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.520 keep her eyes closed. They gave me this reddish color 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:58.520 liquid to take, and it tasted very sweet, and I 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:02.199 felt very relaxed from it. And meanwhile this gray liquid 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:04.600 fell down, you know, was falling on my head, and 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:07.159 it was building up in the bottom of the chair, 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:11.040 and when it was filled and vibrated like a whirlpool 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.560 around about me. And from there they drained that out 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:17.280 to the breathing tubes out and set me on this 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.679 track where one being was in front of me and 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:22.920 one being was in back of me. Her captors put 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:25.960 black hoods over their heads and led her to a 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:30.560 very dark tunnel. I was taken through this tunnel and 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:32.480 we came. We were coming up to a mirror, and 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.720 I thought we were going to crash right through the mirror, 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.520 and instead we passed just like we passed through the 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:42.639 wood in my home. And we came into this red atmosphere. First, 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:47.480 She's brought to a desolate, red place with weird creatures hell. 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:51.160 And in this red atmosphere there was no vegetation. There 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.400 were just large buildings with square windows, and there were 0:23:54.440 --> 0:23:58.440 the strange creature like beings having like two stocks for 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.080 a head, was very large eyes on the end of it, 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:03.000 and they were crawling all over the walls and in 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:05.840 and out the windows and all over the place. And 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:10.480 we passed through this area into a green atmosphere and 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:16.080 then the fantastically beautiful green area heaven. That was beautiful. 0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:18.840 It was just fantastically beautiful. They were things there I 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:22.960 can't even described today, you know, nothing that I could 0:24:22.960 --> 0:24:27.480 relate to in this and planet Earth. And so I 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:31.240 saw different things there. A dome city. This was obviously 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:33.880 the poorful. No, this was not their planet. They told 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:38.320 me that this was the high place. Betty Andreason has 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:42.600 taken the Hill story and made it more spectacular. The 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:47.520 religious imagery continued as the story went on, and I 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:50.720 came up to some crystals that were just hanging in 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.440 mid air, and I did become fearful. I wanted to 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.520 go back at that point because it was awesome, and 0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:59.720 they just wouldn't go along with my request, and we 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.679 on going until we came to this area where this 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:05.840 large bird stood, and the beings just got off the 0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:08.359 track and I was left there along where this huge 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:11.000 bird was, and it was alive, and there was light 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.679 and back of it just radiating, kept on radiating, and 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:16.560 I kept getting hotter and hotter and hotter, and these 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.120 blocks of gold were flying around in front of me, 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.639 and I felt like I was being consumed by fire. 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.800 And at that point I must have passed out of something, 0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:27.040 because the next time I looked that the bird was 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.080 gone and there was a pile of ashes there, and 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:32.840 out of these pile of ashes, a large gray worm appeared. 0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:35.800 And then from the side of a voice spoke to 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.240 me very loud voice and called my name twice and said, 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:41.280 you have seen and you have heard. You understand And 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:44.080 I said, I I don't know, I don't understand. I 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.639 don't even know why I was there. And then the 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.639 voice talked with me and reassured me that everything was 0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.920 all right, that some of the pain that I experienced 0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.800 was because of my fear, and I just felt better. 0:25:55.840 --> 0:25:59.399 I felt elated, enjoy filled me. I felt very happy 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:05.280 at that. To get a point in the Andreason affair, 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.719 Betty goes into a great deal of detail about her 0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:13.040 interactions with Quasga and jew Hop, who served as friendly 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:18.000 guides on her Uncanny journey. They also advanced the religious 0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:24.160 tone of Betty's story. The aliens behave in a way 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:29.080 that reflects the belief systems of the abducte. Betty Andreason 0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:33.080 was a very devout Christian Krasgown. Jew Hopper constantly saying 0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:37.080 little passages, the epigrams and stuff that sound profound and 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:40.680 and spiritual. They don't make much sense when you analyze them, 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:47.960 but they're an extension of Betty's beliefs. Betty reports jew 0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:53.159 Hop saying things like, because man has separated himself, he 0:26:53.240 --> 0:26:59.679 has become dual separation, duality a love, there is no separation. 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:06.600 Quasca also talks cryptically. Many riddles will be given. Those 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:10.760 that are wise will understand, those that seek will find. 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.119 They must be hidden in this way because of the 0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:19.159 corruption the corruption that is upon the earth. If they 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:26.919 are revealed outright, man would use it. Fowler eventually wrote 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:31.119 three books about Betty Andreasen and her previous and subsequent 0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:34.480 dealings with aliens, but this is the crux of the 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:40.000 initial story. In addition to the religious themes, Terry Matheson 0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.159 also found that her descriptions of the imagery from her 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:48.280 journey were often influenced by popular culture. In fact, a 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:52.879 lot of vys events in her account, together with the 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:56.880 pictures that she drew of her experiences, are taken lights 0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:00.720 from science fiction and fantasy movies from the nine in fifties, 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:04.159 and I was able to trace most of them. Is 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.080