1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Strange Arrivals is a production of I Heart Radio and 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: Grim and Mild from Aaron Mankie. This woman says that 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: she was abducted by beings from another planet and taken 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: on board their spaceship, where she experienced the bizarre, unforgetable 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: Atorney in time and space, and it makes her story credible. 6 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: Is the work that a team of Lupo researchers headed 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: by this man did. The document the incident. Are the 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: results of their findings I reported in this fascinating book 9 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: Beyond Ryerson Affair. Would you please welcome Betty Andreson and 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: Raymond Foller, whatever macomes very Could you briefly tell us 11 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: what happened. I was taken out in state backyard, and 12 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: I was taken up board dear craft, and I was 13 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: given um extensive examination, but to exchange place and then 14 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: returned home to maintain consciousness through all us inspiracy. Yes 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: I did. Betty and Barney Hill's experience was the first 16 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 1: story of alien abduction to become widely known, and as 17 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: the first, it established the elements that subsequent abduction tales 18 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: would contain. People such as Betty Andreason would take these 19 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: elements and expand on them, creating even more incredible narratives. 20 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: I'm Toby Ball and this is strange Arrivals Episode eight, 21 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: missing time. Each stage of Betty and Barney Hills September 22 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: UFO encounter seems to have a prosaic explanation. But they 23 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: arrived home around five in the morning, not two as 24 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: they'd expected. What happened during those missing hours. The original 25 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: estimate of two am came from a stop they made 26 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: at a restaurant in Colebrook, New Hampshire. As they left, 27 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: they noticed that a clock on the wall red just 28 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: after ten pm. They thought the rest of the trip 29 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: should have taken between four and five hours. Last episode, 30 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: other Jim McDonald described driving the Hills route, comparing where 31 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: in the sky he saw the light on top of 32 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: Cannon Mountain to the description of the UFOs movements in 33 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: John Fuller's book A Journey Interrupted. He believes that they 34 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: were running later than they thought, even before they entered 35 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: Franconian Notch. Author Jim McDonald now we know they left 36 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: Colebrook around ten pm, and Fuller says that they're at 37 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Twin Mountain, approaching Franconia Notch at eleven. This is just impossible. 38 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: It cannot be done in eleven pm. They're only just 39 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: a little bit south of Lancaster, still north of Whitefield. 40 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 1: One of the pieces of evidences that their watches had 41 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: stopped when they were home the next day. Especially in 42 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: the early sixties with the wind up watches, it was 43 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: easy enough to break a spring to jam those things. 44 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: Watches were delicate. We have no idea when their watches 45 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: stopped working, but based on that information, I would say 46 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: their watches had already stopped at some time before they 47 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: got to Franconia Notch, before the sighting even began. They 48 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: were confused about the time. It's sixty two miles on dark, 49 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: winding rural roads from Colebrook to Franconian Notch. Today Google 50 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: Maps predicts an hour and twenty four minutes for daytime 51 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: driving at night in it would have taken longer as 52 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: far as how much time they spent. Remember they were 53 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: stopping repeatedly to walk the dog to look at their 54 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: strange light in the sky. They deliberately drove slowly for 55 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: a portion of the trip. They got lost up a 56 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: side road, and they spent some time driving around downtown 57 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: Conquered looking for an open coffee shop. How many times 58 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: they stopped at least a half a dozen. It's easy 59 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: to lose two hours doing that. A few months back, 60 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: I was down in Lineborough. Now, I'm sure driving around 61 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,119 Speaker 1: on a road that was very much like what US 62 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: three would have been like in the nineteen sixties. Three 63 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: has been expanded and straightened and flattened quite a bit 64 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: since then. But even so, there I was driving along 65 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: and I thought I was driving fifty five. I looked 66 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 1: down at my spenometer. I was doing thirty. My thought 67 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: is that Betty and Barney, when they estimated were doing 68 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,239 Speaker 1: fifty to fifty five, know they were doing like thirty 69 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: all so we know from Fuller's book. And they crossed 70 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: over from Canada at around nine and got to Colebrook 71 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: round ten. It's ten miles from the border crossing to Colebrook. 72 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: They weren't driving any They were drawing closer to twenty, 73 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: which give him what this road looked like then. Very reasonable, 74 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: UFO investigator Robert Schaefer. They talked about driving so slowly, 75 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, at one point Barney said later that he 76 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: was only driving along at five miles an hour. Looking 77 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: at this thing, Well, if you're driving a lot of 78 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: five miles an hour. You know at first year you're 79 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: going to get home late. Suddenly the missing hours have 80 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:46,039 Speaker 1: become more understandable. Their watches stopped working, so their timing 81 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: was off. Before the encounter began, they drove very slowly 82 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: for portions of the trip. They stopped on several occasions 83 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: for various lengths of time. They took a detour through 84 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: conquered add in that they had been on the road 85 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: for so long and must have been fatigued and possibly 86 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: not driving as fast as they thought they were. The 87 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: missing time seems to have eroded away, and with this explained, 88 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: there's nothing left except for a strange story compelling. Lee told, 89 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: there's no evidence you can point to and say, see, 90 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: here's the proof. This is not to say that Betty 91 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: and Barney Hill were lying or deceptive. No one I 92 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: talked to believes this. They were in a confusing, stressful 93 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: situation and misinterpreted what they saw. They later underwent hypnosis 94 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: and told a story based on Betty's dreams that we 95 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: know can't be taken literally. Tragically, Barney died in nineteen 96 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: sixty nine at age forty six of a cerebral hemorrhage. 97 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: In the years that followed, Betty became a celebrity in 98 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: the UFO world, but her credibility suffered. After Barney's death, 99 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: Betty's claims about her interactions with UFOs and aliens became 100 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: more and more outlandish. She kept a journal titled Strange Events. 101 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: In it, she typed out things that supposedly had either 102 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: happened to her or that she had heard about. Here's 103 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: an example, taken more or less at random from February 104 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: five on one of weight As I was going down 105 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: the hill, I saw a UFO behind the trees over 106 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: the trailer. As I came closer, it moved from behind 107 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: the trees, crossed the trailer yard and headed towards me. 108 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: It began to descend, and here the road is higher 109 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: than the field. It was very close and large and 110 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: level with the road, about twenty ft across the law 111 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: large bright white lights and a small red one. Two 112 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: cars came and it turned away from me towards the field, 113 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: moving slowly. I immediately parked to watch it. It had 114 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: three lights on the back, and I began a panic. 115 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: It was less than fifty feet from me, and I 116 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: thought it was going to crash. I heard a faint 117 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: humming sound, and then it traveled just above the ground 118 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: and went towards the ocean. I headed for home at 119 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: the one on one bypass an Exeter. It suddenly reappeared 120 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: stopped the other side of the traffic light. I did 121 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: not see it before I went through the light. Suddenly 122 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: this UFO dropped down close to the road. I stopped 123 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: my car. All cars screeched to a hall and sat there. 124 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: UFO rose and began to move across the highway and disappeared, 125 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: traveling from the left to the right. Skeptoid host Bryan 126 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: n she was a lifelong UFO obsessive to a point 127 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: that was practically a psychological illness. In the letter to 128 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: a friend, she wrote, Barney and I go out frequently 129 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: at night for one reason or another. Since last October, 130 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: we have seen our friends in quotes on the average 131 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 1: of eight or nine times out of every ten trips. 132 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: She would believe that she saw UFOs everywhere she went. 133 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: She was part of UFO groups, and other people in 134 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: the group's kind of I don't want to say, laughed 135 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: at her, mocked her, but they knew her to be 136 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: someone who saw in the UFO and everything she looked at. 137 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: Here's a story where they were looking at a street 138 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: light and she was saying, no, it's a UFO. Standing 139 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 1: on a tripod, Betty took strange, out of focus photos 140 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: of what she claimed were flying saucers. Here she is 141 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: showing slides of her photos at a UFO conference. In 142 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: the image is she presents are blurred and impossible to identify. 143 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 1: This is a carrier. The bottom opens up and the 144 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: disc dropped down. Next, now they are and here we 145 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: have the same flight pal, same position as we had 146 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: before with the seven flying in V formation. Here this 147 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: atable next. Okay, here we have a disk in a boomerang. Next, 148 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 1: this one is absolutely huge. It filled up the whole field. 149 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: And I went back with my car and drove along 150 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: the edge of the field and it's over a quarter 151 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: of a mile. And this one was tremendous roaring sound. 152 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: It's sounded like ten jets. And that's only part of it. 153 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: I don't have it all on the slide, but they 154 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: have red light at the very ends. Next that he 155 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: back up to the previous question about communication. You have 156 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: had communication in the form of blinking your headlights at them. 157 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: Is that correct. Oh, yeah, that I'd say indirect communication. Um, 158 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: you know, as I was saying, they don't leave the crap, 159 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: they don't speak. But like we've done things like allowed 160 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: to emplay Christmas carols and then have a UFO fly 161 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: over playing back the same Christmas carols. This story is 162 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: an example of how she undermined her own credibility with 163 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: tales that seem clearly fanciful. It is important, though, to 164 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: remember that this is almost twenty five years after her 165 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: hypnosis sessions again Robert Schaefer. Betty actually wrote a self 166 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: published book, I think, and it was called Common Sense 167 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: about UFOs by Betty Hill. If you read that book, 168 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: utterly amazing. She'd be standing like near the mouth of 169 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: a river and she would see entire fleets of hundreds 170 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: of UFOs would come in off the ocean and would 171 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: fly up the river. I suspect she was saying some 172 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: birds and in her imagination of birds were UFOs, or 173 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: maybe she just made the whole thing up. In Kathleen 174 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: Martin's book captured the Betty and Barney Hill UFO experience, 175 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 1: Kathleen acknowledges the credibility problem caused by Betty's later years 176 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: Betty's fall from grace ultimately transpired because she surrounded herself 177 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: with UFO enthusiasts who looked to her for guidance. Many 178 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: were not trained observers or UFO investigators, but friends who 179 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: supported her belief that they were observing extraterrestrial craft, even 180 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: when they were misidentifying conventional aircraft. Some of their descriptions 181 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: seemed to support the conjecture that at least a few 182 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: of their observations were anomalous. Addition, some of these observations 183 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: were made by trained military observers and UFO investigators who 184 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: confirmed that they had observed unconventional craft. Betty publicized this 185 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: information because she thought she was contributing valuable information to 186 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: the scientific community. What we must remember, though, is Betty 187 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: was not a scientist or a trained observer. After Barney's death, 188 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: she turned away from careful objective evaluation and, with subjective enthusiasm, 189 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: began to identify any lights in the sky as UFOs. 190 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: In the end, it destroyed her credibility, not because she 191 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: didn't observe a photograph UFOs, but because she failed to 192 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: heed John Fuller's warnings. Fuller, the author of an Interrupted Journey, 193 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: wrote letters to Betty, warning that she would undermine her 194 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 1: credibility if she promoted questionable sightings. Betty's fantastical claims later 195 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: in life are not proof that she misidentified what she 196 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: saw in nine six one, but in my mind they 197 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: reflect a kind of openness to drawing incredible conclusions based 198 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: on fairly ordinary circumstances. Remember, she pegged a light in 199 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: the sky as a UFO pretty much right away, regardless 200 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: of what actually happened that September night. The Hill story 201 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: had a cultural impact that resonates today, UFO researcher Alejandro Rojas. 202 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: It was the first kind of in the media alleged 203 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: alien abduction experience. The whole idea about these beings from 204 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: Zetta Reticulate coming here comes from this. So for the 205 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: mythos of it all, it's been very significant. And it's 206 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: not just the concept of alien abduction that began with 207 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: the Hills. Their story of their time aboard the craft 208 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: became the template for subsequent alien abduction stories. It was 209 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: a template that prevailed very much from nineteen six to 210 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: really right up until the nineteen eighties. The Hill story 211 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: provided the basic framework for future alien abduction stories, but 212 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be enough to tell a variation of their narrative. 213 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: The news stories would have to be more incredible. After 214 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: the break, strange arrivals will return in a moment. A 215 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: Journey Interrupted was published in nineteen sixty six. Just months later, 216 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: in January of another abduction allegedly occurred. This was the 217 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: abduction of Betty Andreasen, who was taken from her home 218 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: in Ashburnham, Massachusetts. Her story was told in the nine 219 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: book De Andreason Affair by Raymond Fowler, a former colleague 220 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: of John Fuller's. Betty Andreason was a fundamentalist Christian who 221 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: was taken aboard of flying Saucer by two very friendly aliens. 222 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: The names of the two aliens, as I recall, were 223 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: Quasgaw and jew Hop. This is author Terry Matheson. I'm 224 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: a retired English professor taught at the University of Saskatchewan 225 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: for many years, and I wrote a book back in 226 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: the nineties called Alien Abductions Creating a Modern Phenomenon, where 227 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: I analyzed a number of books about the alien abduction phenomenon. 228 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: They were all best sellers, or most of them were 229 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: sold very well and reach a wide swath of the public. 230 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: And I was interested in how the narratives developed. The 231 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: Bit Andreason story showed how the Hill narrative could be 232 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: used and expanded upon. Betty Andreason was a homemaker with 233 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: seven children who was allegedly taken from her home on 234 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: a night when her husband was in the hospital and 235 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: her parents were visiting here. Author Raymond Fowler described the 236 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: beginning of the encounter during a nineteen seventy nine radio interview. 237 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: It's how about explaining to the listeners and to me too, 238 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: for that matter, what exactly happened to Betty and Becky 239 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: Andreas And on January on that particularly evening, about six pm, 240 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: uh there was an intimittent power failure. Simultaneously that there 241 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: was a flashing orange light which king through the kitchen window, 242 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: which overlooks a huge field. The children was scared Mrs 243 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: Andreas and shoot her seven children into the living room. 244 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: Her father ran to the kitchen window and looked out 245 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: and claimed he saw what looked like children dressed in 246 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: strange Halloween cost On second luck, though, he saw that 247 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: they weren't walking, but they were moving, floating with a 248 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: hopping motion. All you can remember after that is in 249 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: somehow getting in the house. They did enter the house 250 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: Mrs Andreas and communicated with him through mental telepathy. Other 251 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: members of the family seemed to have just frozen in motion. 252 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: For want of a better term, we called it. We 253 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: called it suspended animation. Mrs Andreason was very concerned about 254 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: her family, and they allowed Becky Andreas, and she was 255 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: a loving years all at the time, to come out 256 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: of this state of suspended animation, to assure Mrs Andreas 257 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 1: and that she was all right, uh, And then to 258 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: make a long story shot. They convinced Betty Andreas and 259 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: to follow them to a craft which was out in 260 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: the back yard. She felt that she had free will, 261 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: but and looking back hindsight, felt that they had complete 262 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: control over everything that she did. So you can see 263 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: where there are some of the elements of the hell story, 264 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: the abduction, the control the aliens have over her. But 265 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: she has already added elements the suspended animation and the 266 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: aliens themselves, two of whom, as Terry Mathieson mentioned earlier, 267 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: were named Quasga and jew hop. Betty Andreason was a 268 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: bit of an artist. She grew pictures of Clasgow and 269 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: Jew and they were sort of tow little beings. You 270 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: can find the images that she drew on the Internet. 271 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: They're of whimsical creatures, not the strange, ambiguous, though ultimately 272 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: friendly aliens described by Betty Hill. In another parallel with 273 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: the Hill case, Betty Andreason's experience on the alien spacecraft 274 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: was recovered through regression hypnosis years after the fact. Her 275 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 1: sessions were conducted by Harold Edelstein, who at the time 276 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: was the director of the New England Institute of Hypnosis. 277 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: Her story begins with obvious similarities to Betty Hills again 278 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: and Raymond Fowler. The craft is very small. They stayed 279 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: in their craft for Philly long time. She felt heaviness 280 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: and so forth, and then it stopped, and she felt 281 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: that she was taking aboard Aliga craft where she was 282 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: subjected to the effects of a number of very very 283 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: strange instruments. Fowler had brought portions of Andreason's hypnosis session 284 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: tapes with him to this radio interview. If you would 285 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 1: give us background so we can lead up to what 286 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: I understand is going to be a pretty startling piece 287 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: of audio tape that we're going to be listening to. 288 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: All Right, the audio tape that you're going to be 289 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: hearing excerpts from comes from one of fourteen hypnotic regression sessions, 290 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: and it concerns Betty Andreason, who allegedly was abducted by 291 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: uf All occupants and given, among many other things, a 292 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: physical examination. What you're about to hear is a small 293 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: segment of that physical examination. And I think that you 294 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: will be able to relive with her of the trauma 295 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: and the hay uh and the emotion that she experienced 296 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: reliving this experience under hypnosis. And she is under hypnosis 297 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: and recounting, reliving, not recounting, and really living. Okay, there 298 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: listening up, it's breaking like it, Oh, it's hanging. And 299 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: here is where her story diverges significantly from the Hill narrative. 300 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: After Betty Hill's examination, she talked with the leader and 301 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: was shown a map of the alien's domain. Betty Andreason, 302 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: on the other hand, was actually taken to see distant worlds, 303 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: and the worlds are pretty clearly a reflection of her 304 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: religious beliefs. This is Betty Andreason from an interview on 305 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: the Transitions radio show in nine Well after they had 306 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: examined me, they took me back to the cubicle where 307 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: they told me to change into my regular clothes, and 308 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: from there I was escorted into this room that appeared 309 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: like a quantt uh hot type from half cylindrical, and 310 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: within it were eight glass like chairs, and they sat 311 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: me down in the one of the chairs to the right, 312 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: and this hood, glass like hood came down. I could 313 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: hear it clicker on me, and then I felt very cold, 314 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: as if I was breezing. They had her switched chairs 315 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 1: and again sealed her up. They put tubes in her 316 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: nose and another in her mouth and told her to 317 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: keep her eyes closed. They gave me this reddish color 318 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: liquid to take, and it tasted very sweet, and I 319 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: felt very relaxed from it. And meanwhile this gray liquid 320 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: fell down, you know, was falling on my head, and 321 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: it was building up in the bottom of the chair, 322 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: and when it was filled and vibrated like a whirlpool 323 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: around about me. And from there they drained that out 324 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: to the breathing tubes out and set me on this 325 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: track where one being was in front of me and 326 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: one being was in back of me. Her captors put 327 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: black hoods over their heads and led her to a 328 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: very dark tunnel. I was taken through this tunnel and 329 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: we came. We were coming up to a mirror, and 330 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: I thought we were going to crash right through the mirror, 331 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: and instead we passed just like we passed through the 332 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: wood in my home. And we came into this red atmosphere. First, 333 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: She's brought to a desolate, red place with weird creatures hell. 334 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: And in this red atmosphere there was no vegetation. There 335 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 1: were just large buildings with square windows, and there were 336 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: the strange creature like beings having like two stocks for 337 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: a head, was very large eyes on the end of it, 338 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: and they were crawling all over the walls and in 339 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: and out the windows and all over the place. And 340 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: we passed through this area into a green atmosphere and 341 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: then the fantastically beautiful green area heaven. That was beautiful. 342 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: It was just fantastically beautiful. They were things there I 343 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: can't even described today, you know, nothing that I could 344 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: relate to in this and planet Earth. And so I 345 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: saw different things there. A dome city. This was obviously 346 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 1: the poorful. No, this was not their planet. They told 347 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: me that this was the high place. Betty Andreason has 348 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: taken the Hill story and made it more spectacular. The 349 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: religious imagery continued as the story went on, and I 350 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: came up to some crystals that were just hanging in 351 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: mid air, and I did become fearful. I wanted to 352 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: go back at that point because it was awesome, and 353 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: they just wouldn't go along with my request, and we 354 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 1: on going until we came to this area where this 355 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: large bird stood, and the beings just got off the 356 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: track and I was left there along where this huge 357 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: bird was, and it was alive, and there was light 358 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: and back of it just radiating, kept on radiating, and 359 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: I kept getting hotter and hotter and hotter, and these 360 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: blocks of gold were flying around in front of me, 361 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: and I felt like I was being consumed by fire. 362 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: And at that point I must have passed out of something, 363 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: because the next time I looked that the bird was 364 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: gone and there was a pile of ashes there, and 365 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: out of these pile of ashes, a large gray worm appeared. 366 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: And then from the side of a voice spoke to 367 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: me very loud voice and called my name twice and said, 368 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: you have seen and you have heard. You understand And 369 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: I said, I I don't know, I don't understand. I 370 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 1: don't even know why I was there. And then the 371 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: voice talked with me and reassured me that everything was 372 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: all right, that some of the pain that I experienced 373 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: was because of my fear, and I just felt better. 374 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: I felt elated, enjoy filled me. I felt very happy 375 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: at that. To get a point in the Andreason affair, 376 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: Betty goes into a great deal of detail about her 377 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: interactions with Quasga and jew Hop, who served as friendly 378 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: guides on her Uncanny journey. They also advanced the religious 379 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: tone of Betty's story. The aliens behave in a way 380 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: that reflects the belief systems of the abducte. Betty Andreason 381 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: was a very devout Christian Krasgown. Jew Hopper constantly saying 382 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: little passages, the epigrams and stuff that sound profound and 383 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: and spiritual. They don't make much sense when you analyze them, 384 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 1: but they're an extension of Betty's beliefs. Betty reports jew 385 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: Hop saying things like, because man has separated himself, he 386 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: has become dual separation, duality a love, there is no separation. 387 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: Quasca also talks cryptically. Many riddles will be given. Those 388 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: that are wise will understand, those that seek will find. 389 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: They must be hidden in this way because of the 390 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: corruption the corruption that is upon the earth. If they 391 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 1: are revealed outright, man would use it. Fowler eventually wrote 392 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: three books about Betty Andreasen and her previous and subsequent 393 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: dealings with aliens, but this is the crux of the 394 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: initial story. In addition to the religious themes, Terry Matheson 395 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: also found that her descriptions of the imagery from her 396 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: journey were often influenced by popular culture. In fact, a 397 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: lot of vys events in her account, together with the 398 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: pictures that she drew of her experiences, are taken lights 399 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: from science fiction and fantasy movies from the nine in fifties, 400 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: and I was able to trace most of them. Is 401 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: not all of them. I know. There's one picture she 402 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: drew of herself in a very sort of attractive party dress, 403 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: and I thought I've seen that before. And then I 404 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: went downstairs and found an old movie of Cinderella. And 405 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: remember when the very Godmother was apped her magic wand 406 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: and Cinderella puts on this beautiful dress and she whirls around. Well, 407 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: Betty's picture of herself is almost identical. And there are 408 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: other scenes too. She talks about being in a flying sauce, 409 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: and I mean put in some kind of pressure chambers, 410 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: and that I found immediately from a very well known 411 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: science fiction movie from that period, from the fifties called 412 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: This Island Earth. The two of you beginning a strange journey, 413 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: a journey that no Earth people have evern have taken before. 414 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: Now with you, consider me at devil or a saint 415 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: is unimportant. What is important is that you're here on 416 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: this spaceship. And also from another famous movie that I'm 417 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: sure Betty may well have seen, called Forbidden Planet. This 418 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: is no offense, but you are. That is correct for 419 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: your convenience. I am monitored to respond to the name Robbie, 420 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: Betty Andreason's story was the first step in what became 421 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: a succession of ever more incredible abduction stories. Each next 422 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: step had to top the previous tale. But as with 423 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: narratives of any sort, there comes a point where incredulity 424 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: is strained and the genre falls apart under its own weight. 425 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: How far did Ailien abduction stories go before they reached 426 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: the breaking point? Next time on Strange Arrivals. Strange Arrivals 427 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio and Grim and 428 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: Mild from Aaron Manky. This episode was written and host 429 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: by Toby Ball and produced by Miranda Hawkins and Josh Thane, 430 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: with executive producers Alex Williams, Matt Frederick and Aaron Manky. 431 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: Betty Hill was portrayed by Gina Rickike. Barney Hill was 432 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: portrayed by Jason Williams. Special thanks to the Miln's Special 433 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: Collections and Archives at the University of New Hampshire, John Horrigan, 434 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: w y C h A M in Norwich, Connecticut, John White, 435 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: and David O'Leary, the executive producer of the History Channel's 436 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: dramatic series Project blue Book. Learn more about the show 437 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: over at Grimm and Mile dot com. 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