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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio. Heck yeah, Zarren,

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Speaker 1: I'm ready, let's do this.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: Hi, my name's Elizabeth. This is ridiculous Crime.

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Speaker 2: Hi, nice to meet you. My name is a little

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Speaker 2: bit Dutton.

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Speaker 1: Excellent, me too. You know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I do Elizabeth Dutton. If you have a second, y,

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Speaker 2: pronounce a natia daphobia. A natia, yes, that is quote

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Speaker 2: the fear of being watched by a duck. The term

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Speaker 2: comes to us from the Greeks a nati day which

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Speaker 2: means swan, ducks or geese waterfowl essentially, and phobos, which

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Speaker 2: you know means fear. Right, So you put those together.

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Speaker 2: You got a fear of ducks, geese for swans, but

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Speaker 2: in particular that they would be watching you. But turns out,

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Speaker 2: how did the research because this one pops around on

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Speaker 2: the internets and it's not real, not a real phobia.

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Speaker 2: This dates back to a nineteen eighty eight far Side

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Speaker 2: comic and it's spread online and now a lot of

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Speaker 2: people think it's a real phobia, and they have self

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Speaker 2: diagnosed themselves with the Nada daphobia. So now that they

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Speaker 2: have done that, the phobia has become real, because ultimately

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Speaker 2: all phobias are irrational, So this is you had another

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Speaker 2: irrational phobia. It just started as fiction. So the people

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Speaker 2: who are into this one to know there is arentheophobia

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Speaker 2: or on orniphobia, ornithophobia. Sorry, that's ornithology orthophobia. The study

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Speaker 2: of birds is ornithology. The fear of birds is ornithophobia.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got a friend who's afraid of birds.

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Speaker 2: Okay, boom, they have ornithophobia. And if someone like that,

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Speaker 2: if they are specifically afraid of ducks, then they would

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Speaker 2: be what we were discussing on a nati phobia. But

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Speaker 2: everybody else is just afraid of a duck watching them.

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Speaker 2: They're just you know, they want to be special. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they'll touch on that.

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Speaker 1: That's ridiculous, right, I thought you'd like that one. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: I'm here for buckled Up and Ready a.

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Speaker 1: Man Who's a bat This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast

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Speaker 1: about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons. It's always

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Speaker 1: ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Zaren Elizabeth, I have a batman problem.

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Speaker 2: What you do? Have you tried a vigilante.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't, but my nephew does.

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Speaker 2: Oh ho. So he's over at my place every since.

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Speaker 2: You're a nephew a criminal?

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Speaker 1: Hold on, tell me this is he's not a criminal.

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Speaker 2: He's a good boy.

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Speaker 1: But he comes over every Saturday, and it's the highlight

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Speaker 1: of my week. To be honest, no offense, Zaren.

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Speaker 2: And Dave, none taken.

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Speaker 1: My nephew is obsessed with Batman.

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Speaker 2: No word.

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Speaker 1: He's fifty six years old. No, he's a little kid.

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Speaker 1: Everything has to be Batman, Isn't that funny? Like that

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Speaker 1: is everything has to be Batman. His clothes, including socks

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Speaker 1: and underwear, his toys. He loves monster trucks, especially the

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Speaker 1: Batman one that he has over.

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Speaker 2: Is a monster truck. Yeah, and when we.

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Speaker 1: Race the toys, Batman always has to work.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course, like.

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Speaker 1: What about Calavera or El Toro Loco or Grave Digger

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Speaker 1: and his progeny son of a Grave Digger by Jingo.

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Speaker 2: They can't ever win the whole world? What of them?

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Speaker 2: I think that Batman is into the monster truck world. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's a Batman monster truck.

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Speaker 1: If they win a race Batman exactly, if they win

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Speaker 1: Batman invalidates their victory, and so on Saturdays, I live

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Speaker 1: in a Batman dictatorship. The only TV I allow him

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Speaker 1: to watch at my place as an animated show called

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Speaker 1: still Water on Apple TV. It's like, it's really calm

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Speaker 1: and there's a giant panda for some reason, who also,

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Speaker 1: last season of CSI. I've been told it's I think

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Speaker 1: it's the sun hat anyway and hat. Yeah, so Batman,

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Speaker 1: let's get back to back. For those lucky seven people

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Speaker 1: who've never heard of Batman, here's a primer. He's a

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Speaker 1: superhero from a DC comic book. He's the twenty seventh

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Speaker 1: issue of Detective Comics, released in nineteen thirty nine. To

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Speaker 1: That's another thing. You can make my nephew really mad

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Speaker 2: Doesn't care for that. Oh, Bruce Batman.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bruce Batman d DS. Bruce Wayne is an uber

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Speaker 1: this right? You know more than that, Bruce Wayne saw

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Speaker 1: his parents killed when he was a kid in vowed revenge.

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Speaker 1: That's not part of this story, but I'm saying it.

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Speaker 1: He's a dapper playboy by day, yes, for the most part,

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Speaker 1: dance during the day, and he's a street vigilante by night.

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Speaker 2: Yes. And he was best played by Michael Keaton. Oh

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Speaker 2: where do you come from?

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Speaker 1: So he cruises around in is batmobile in the dark

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Speaker 1: hours looking for crime to prevent or interrupt. He has

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Speaker 1: a special friend named Robin, a special friend, and then

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Speaker 2: Other special friends, yeah he has.

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Speaker 1: He has a butler named Alfred, and then there's Commissioner

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Speaker 2: Into the mix of girlfriend kind of yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: just catting around Batman and Catwoman. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sworn enemies.

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Speaker 1: His sworn enemies though are actually the Penguin or Penguin.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they have an article in front. Penguindler,

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Speaker 1: Penguin two face, yeah he has, the Man has two faces,

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Speaker 1: and then the final boss, the Joker. Yes, did you

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Speaker 1: you got into Batman as a kid.

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Speaker 2: I liked comic books. I started with comic books and

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Speaker 2: then like the movies obviously are a different rendition. I

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Speaker 2: Uh up there with a lot of the Marvel movies.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so saturated with Batman. Batman, you are bound

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Speaker 2: You're living with a Batman factory team rider.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. So I've decided to share with you some

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Speaker 1: ridiculous Batman crimes. Oh, nice Batman, not crimes fought by

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Speaker 1: the Cape Crusader himself. Oh, these are about Batman.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to tell me like comic

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Speaker 2: book plots. That was cool, just and then episode twelve

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Speaker 1: So people do weird things for Batman, Okay, like take,

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Speaker 1: for example, the human who broke out the front window

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Speaker 1: of a comic book store in Everett, Washington. Oh this person, well, persons,

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Speaker 1: I should say there were two of them. They did

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Speaker 1: October of twenty twenty, These people smash the window to

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Speaker 1: retrieve something on display. There in the window in the

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Speaker 1: window a four foot tall Funko Batman. Now, I don't

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Speaker 1: know why Funko toys are so hilarious, right, well, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big head.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they run about twelve to fifteen dollars on the

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Speaker 1: Funko website. Like you said, they have that big head

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Speaker 2: It's almost anime looking. And then they got a tiny,

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Speaker 1: Well t rex arms. At Walmart, I'd see the shelves

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Speaker 2: But it was like twenty fourteen in the Walmart. She

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Speaker 2: Racking and racking. But he's not out there, like working

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Speaker 1: Or I looked on the Funco website. You can get

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Speaker 2: Oh like you like me?

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Speaker 1: And it's not me, but it's my name, yes, and

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Speaker 1: alerted when it's available. She's wearing like a pretty dope

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Speaker 1: comic book store in Evert, Washington, they had a four

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Speaker 1: Oh? Man, that's justum quanium. You can't just buy a

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Speaker 2: Go funko bunko.

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Speaker 1: We'll just call it a bunko.

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Speaker 2: Bunko like that, you know, like the Squad, the Bunco Squad.

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Speaker 1: The Funko Batman. You have to earn it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, they threw a breaking glass.

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Speaker 1: Well, according to the store owner Charlie Knowedler, quote, only

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Speaker 1: the store could order it, and you can only order

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Speaker 1: one and you have to sign a disclosure.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't sell it? What for you? What did it caught?

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Speaker 1: What was it worth more than eight thousand dollars?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like they just smashed a bunch of Batman

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Speaker 1: funkos together and holded it. This is this is some

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Speaker 1: insider stuff. A mere citizen wouldn't have it. Can I

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Speaker 1: He's just a normal older fella. But he's wearing an

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Speaker 1: Alice Cooper fan without a four and a half foot

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Speaker 1: His arms and legs? Apparently the thieves broke the window

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Speaker 1: and go, no, that's not it. That's not four and

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Speaker 2: I've seen it. It's down here in California. Cat your

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Speaker 1: He's funky. But then there was a break in the case.

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Speaker 1: Everett Detectives went to Lynnwood in February twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: They got a call from someone who bought Funko Batman. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted nothing to do with it. Batman was

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Speaker 2: To see you look first.

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Speaker 1: So at last reporting, there were persons of interest, but

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Speaker 1: No, here's the thing, though, Everett Comics can't just fix

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Speaker 2: Them back in the window. Most likely they know who

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Speaker 2: Now, so are they going to destroy it? Well, no,

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Speaker 1: So the insurance company does have the option of destroying it.

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Speaker 1: The last I could find it's sitting in the window

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Speaker 2: That was earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: He made out with two hundred and eighty eight dollars

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Speaker 2: Hmm, under eighty eight dollars and eighty six.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the product breakdown was. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, it's all coming together right there, and.

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Speaker 1: He hauled rear out of the parking lot. The cops

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Speaker 1: And he's like, you know something else, I'd like to

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Speaker 2: What was he doing?

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Speaker 1: He also he was wearing a Batman mask the whole time,

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Speaker 2: the police did they give him any like? Oh, sir,

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Speaker 2: you were doing the right thing, trying to.

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Speaker 1: Probably to pox him into the patrol car, chuck them

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Speaker 1: on the shoulder. Oh listen, come down and then show

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Speaker 1: me a couple of things.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about crime stuff. Just take a seat here

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Speaker 2: in the car. I got another good one for you. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, there was a guy who blamed Batman for his crime.

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Speaker 2: Oh was this me?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was you. Back in twenty eleven, they were

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, I remember this, Yeah, the football.

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Speaker 1: Scene, Christian Bale, Tom Hardy just yucking it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get all the Steelers seats. That's a Huggins totally tight. Squeezes.

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Speaker 1: So the next thing that happened, though, is the guy

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Speaker 1: us in honest to goodness carjacking in a parking lot. No,

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Speaker 2: On the street, okay, so I gotta stop light.

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Speaker 1: It just pulled over.

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Speaker 2: He was parked, The guy was parked. He's just sitting

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Speaker 1: Then the chump tried to carjack suspect found him. Right,

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Speaker 1: what does this have to do with Batman? I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all right, but I figure Batman was going

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Speaker 1: So the guy, the carjacker, goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, buddy,

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Speaker 1: whoa whoa, whoa. This isn't what you think, detective. See,

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Speaker 1: I'm in this movie we're filming. Maybe you've heard of it.

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Speaker 1: It's a Batman move. I play a bad guy, A

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Speaker 2: I am a method actor. Sir. We never got to.

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Speaker 2: So Lawrence l via Lyne, which is like we told

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Speaker 2: That's what the detector said.

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Speaker 1: This is too much fun, Szarin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fun right, Batman, I love the fun.

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Speaker 1: Right. We should take a break. When we come back.

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Speaker 1: I'll have more bat capers for you. Hello, Buttercup, you

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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought of the movie The Marathon Man. Oh,

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of Batman movies, yess, not counting

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Speaker 1: There are nine movies that he's in with other superheroes.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even think about it. Batman's everywhere, are

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Speaker 2: Hot feels.

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Speaker 1: I feel like every comic book hero or superhero writer

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's so much.

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Speaker 1: There's so much to Batman. He's mysterious, he has a

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have any family to complicate stuff and to

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Speaker 1: Yes, one of the creative minds who wanted to play

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Speaker 1: He's a comic book artist and creator who's done work

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Speaker 1: No relation that I know of. The more he thought of, well,

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Speaker 1: why Batman does what he does, so he finds out

441
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Speaker 1: the whole backstory and that Riddler would unleash a plague

442
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,679
Speaker 1: something biblical on Gotham is punishment for not loving his

443
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 1: criming ways. And then he also had a bomb sent

444
00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 1: to kill Batman, but it was intercepted by someone else

445
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 1: who gets injured instead. In the manuscript for the Graphic Novels,

446
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 1: Barbara Gordon, daughter of Commissioner Gordon.

447
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 2: Who also happens to be Ackerel.

448
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 1: So he called the creation the Ultimate Riddle that manuscript title.

449
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 1: So in nineteen ninety, Wozniak pitched his manuscript to DC Comics,

450
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 1: no response, but he knew the story was just too

451
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 1: good to ignore, so he sent it again.

452
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a follow to the killing joke with

453
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: the Joker. You can see the potential right there.

454
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: And again he sent it again and again and again.

455
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Speaker 2: I'm sensing the problem.

456
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Speaker 1: Oh, and again about it a little, and he figured

457
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: maybe publishing wasn't the way to.

458
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Speaker 2: Go if I had a hammer go on.

459
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Speaker 1: Maybe they weren't focusing on graphic novels. Yes, probably, maybe

460
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: he should adapt it to a screenplay. A good call,

461
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Speaker 1: And that's what he did, and he called it the

462
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Speaker 1: blind Man's Hat. Not as good of a time, he's

463
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Speaker 1: stepping over into the next line.

464
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Speaker 2: That is good.

465
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Speaker 1: And then he sent it to Michael Uslan. I think

466
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Speaker 1: at times us L a n Uslan. Michael Uslin, he's

467
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Speaker 1: a producer of Batman movies. Did you know that he's

468
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Speaker 1: the first instructor to teach an accredited course in comic

469
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Speaker 1: book folklore at a university.

470
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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go ahead and say no, I did not.

471
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Speaker 1: The Indiana University three units the comic book in America.

472
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Speaker 2: That's cool.

473
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Speaker 1: Uslan called a local newspaper reporter anonymously, of course, to

474
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Speaker 1: complain about the course when it first got listened. Smart,

475
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Speaker 1: how in the world could they be teaching something like

476
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Speaker 1: this at a university? Where are my dead pale mail

477
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 1: writers by gum? So of course, news cameras arrived. He

478
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 1: became a sensation students lined up to register for the course.

479
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Speaker 1: Comic book loom Narys accepted invitations to speak to the class,

480
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: and then Uslin got a phone call from stan Lee

481
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,199
Speaker 1: I thought to be Bob Kane, but yes, and that

482
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 1: led to a job at DC Comics. So he started

483
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: writing comics, got deep into the Batman franchise, and from

484
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Speaker 1: there he moved to the production side of films. In fact,

485
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Speaker 1: he holds the film rights to Batman, along with the

486
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Speaker 1: estate of Benjamin Melmicker. Melmcker sure, the creator of Batman.

487
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know how to print. I always

488
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: think of Bob Kane as the creator of Batman. So

489
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Speaker 2: Melmacker is not a name that I've committed.

490
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Speaker 1: Well, he had the rights, and so Uslin's been an

491
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Speaker 1: executive producer on all the Batman movies. If you want

492
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Speaker 1: to get a Batman movie made, this is your guy.

493
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Speaker 2: So he's the Barbara Broccli of Batman, because he is.

494
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Speaker 1: The Batman Man. Yes, So Wosney ex sent a script

495
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Speaker 1: to Uslan. Uslin had given him his card once, so

496
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Speaker 1: why not take a shot.

497
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: Check this out? Primo bat content. I go right to

498
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Speaker 2: the source.

499
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: He never heard back. This was in two thousand and eight,

500
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 1: So we all have that.

501
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: Story kidnapped him?

502
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: No, you know how like we you and I we

503
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: have stories any other writer stories or novels or a

504
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: collection banging around in a drawer that were positive has

505
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: legs and we'll find a home one day.

506
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally. Yeah, this was I may have two

507
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: of those drawers. I may have a couple of drawers.

508
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: Then twenty twenty two, Yes, the movie The Batman came out.

509
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Speaker 1: I didn't see it, yeah, Fries.

510
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you didn't, but that's yeah, the Robert

511
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 2: Twilight Fell. It was good. I was. I mean, out

512
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Speaker 2: of all the Batman movies recently made, it was one

513
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Speaker 2: of the better. I thought it was really good.

514
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: It's got Zoe Kravitz in it. Yeah, Paul Dano, I'm

515
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: a big fan who made. He's always weird to he

516
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: maybe always looks like a sex offender. Yeah not yeah,

517
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: like a backwood sex offender. No offense, and that.

518
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Speaker 2: There will be blooded there's two people he's played by him,

519
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: and I never understand. It just threw me. I've never

520
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: liked that movie because I'm like, wait, which one is he?

521
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 2: And I was like so dumb in that.

522
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: Film apparently, so, yeah, he was in The Batman.

523
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: I get thrown by Paul Dane's what I'm saying.

524
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone does, hopefully not violently. I didn't see the movie.

525
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: Losney X saw The.

526
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: Batman, you'd like it. Actually it made his blood boil

527
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: Colin Ferrell's portrayal of I like him. See, I said

528
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: the penguin, so we're going gardic on front.

529
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Speaker 1: Did it make your blood boil? Because it made Losney

530
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Speaker 1: x blood boil.

531
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Speaker 2: I can see that. I get y'all hate it. I

532
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: didn't get all heated up, but I did see damp.

533
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 2: I was like, well, this is not the Batman of

534
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: my youth. I don't know. I enjoyed their interpretation. Well,

535
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Speaker 2: Losniik was mad.

536
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Speaker 1: Not because it looked like Riddler was played by someone

537
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 1: cast from the Megan's Law website. It's because the story

538
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: in the film is basically.

539
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 2: The story he wrote. It's very similar. According to him,

540
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Speaker 2: it's very there's elements.

541
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well in this in his script, Riddler firebombs Barbara Gordon.

542
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, try to keep up. In movie,

543
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: it's the same setup, but it's Alfred who gets it.

544
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: I am spoiling this movie. I've never seen. The plot

545
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: structure is pretty similar, although I'm not the one to ask.

546
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: But because they all, they all seem like the same

547
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: movie in story, like Batman's good except for.

548
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 2: Because Ben Affleck was in it, and that's your favorite

549
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: comic book movie.

550
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: For sure. Bad Guy's bad, but like in a really

551
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: theatrical way, like does a lot of.

552
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 2: Kipping around.

553
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 1: He wants to terrorize Gotham through like a convoluted yet

554
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 1: terribly personally antagonizing to Batman way chaos and suits. Batman

555
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: emerges victorious four. Now, yeah, there's no stopping crime, especially

556
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: when it's darkly whimsical. So hello, I've seen all the movies,

557
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: so I may not know the difference, but most do.

558
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: So here are the bullets for the script in the movie.

559
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: In the script, Batman is at the end of his career.

560
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: In the movie, he's at the beginning. Yes, it makes

561
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: sense because they wanted a younger star, but he's still

562
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 1: like a turning point. In the script, there's a criminal

563
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: banking conglomerate at play. In the movie, it's an organized

564
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: crime syndicate because organized crime is easier for audiences to understand.

565
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: More coming.

566
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: But yes, yeah, in the script, a bank is corrupt.

567
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: In the movie, it's a charity. In the script, Riddler

568
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: finds a surrogate family in a commune. In the movie,

569
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: it's an orphanage. Watch them kids in the script, Paul Dano.

570
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 2: In the script, it's Armageddon for the world. Baby.

571
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: In the movie, it's Judgment Day for Gotham. That's cheaper VFX.

572
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: Sure.

573
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: In the script, Riddler threatens to release that biblical plague

574
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: upon the planet. In the movie, it's a biblical flood

575
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: because plague is too soon. It seems like a lot

576
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 1: of strong parallels.

577
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: But what do I know.

578
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: I'm just a simple country lawyers here.

579
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: The fact that you are too. But you have such

580
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Speaker 2: a good closing argument I do.

581
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: I do you know who got themselves a non simple

582
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: city lawyer. Wosniak suit, So I mean the Batman good luck, well,

583
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: it made hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. Get

584
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: your cut, that guy.

585
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: I'm with them on that. But they have all of

586
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: these rules about the embodyment of an idea, and just

587
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: because you have stuff, it ain't gonna.

588
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: Play, he sued Warner Brothers. Wozniak alleged that Usland took

589
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Speaker 1: the script, handed it off to the director Reeves.

590
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: What's his first name?

591
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: Not Kelan matt Reeves.

592
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: Oh, Matt Reeves. Oh, the director of The.

593
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: Batman right, and then Reeves like rewrote parts of it

594
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: but kept the bones. And the lawsuit is still making

595
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: its way through the courts.

596
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: He filed it, not you got his script to the

597
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: director's hands.

598
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

599
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 2: If he got it into the director's hands, that he does.

600
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: Have it with ustling as like a middleman.

601
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: But does he have confirmation that the director held in

602
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: his hot little hands. I don't, because if you can

603
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,719
Speaker 2: prove that the director put laid his eyes on this script,

604
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: he may have a contenttion.

605
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: This is what his attorney, R. Terry Parker had to

606
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: say about it.

607
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: That's why they're so protective. I won't see your script.

608
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: Don't get me your script because they can't see it.

609
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: They can't see it, and then they can make yeah quote.

610
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: There are so many original expressions from my client's story

611
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: found in the Defendants movie that we believe this is

612
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: clear case of copyright infringement. The similarities are just too

613
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: uncanniedy be accidental.

614
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 2: Well, you know who the world's greatest detective is Batman

615
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: he could solve this.

616
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: Let's call him, so Bom, get my nephew on the phone.

617
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: The website Agents of Fandom. They have a pretty good

618
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: write up about the whole thing, and while they seem

619
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: to agree with Wozniak, they sort of skewer him about

620
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: the way he's going about this whole mess. Of course, Yeah,

621
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Speaker 1: he has a Patreon, he has a Kickstarter, a change

622
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: dot org petition, right, an indiegog page. Here's what it

623
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: says there in Texas. I think so quote there's no

624
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: disputing my plot predates their screenplay, that the people who

625
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: made this film were in possession of my plot, and

626
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 1: that the Riddler's storyline in the film was directly derived

627
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: from my plot. Now, before executive producer Michael Eslin and

628
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers Pictures used my plot in the film, they

629
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: were supposed to negotiate a contract first to make sure

630
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: I was fairly compensated. I was not credited anywhere.

631
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: I was not.

632
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm doing the emphasis because it's all caps how I

633
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: paid anything. And in case you're wondering, that's not supposed

634
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: to happen so here I am. I was wondering, asking

635
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: Batman fans around the world to stop Hollywood from steamrolling

636
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: yet another comic creator. I got absolutely nothing that is

637
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: not just us. It would be nice if some of

638
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: the more famous faces would shine a little light on

639
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: this situation, because it would go a long way towards

640
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: making this right.

641
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: The nerd vibes coming off him is like when you

642
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: look at a desert highway and you can see where

643
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: the road is, Like, yeah, just raining, exactly right. I

644
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: feel it.

645
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: He takes donations on the indiegog page to pay for

646
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: his legal bills, and he sells weird T shirts and

647
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: stuff there.

648
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: I like it. So that's where that stands as of now.

649
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: I wish him luck with this bitterness and anger.

650
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: Because Sames bless good, bless. Let's pause for the cause,

651
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: and when we come back, I'll tell you what I

652
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: think is my favorite of these Batman stories. Oh nice,

653
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: Holy commercial Batman.

654
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: I got a question for you. What's your third favorite

655
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: Batman related crime you've learned about?

656
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: I think the my third favorite probably the your.

657
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: Nephew asked me to ask you this.

658
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: We did Walmart guy, I guess, Oh, okay, I like it.

659
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: Those were good commercials today, by the way, Juicy, robust,

660
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: full of flavor. Okay, Batman, I am the Batman. I'm

661
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: the Batman. Now we've talked a lot about Batman. But

662
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: what of the Batmobile?

663
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: Oh, my favorite of the mobiles.

664
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: What kid or grown up for that matter, wouldn't want

665
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: a cruise around in the Batmobile?

666
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: Which one are we talking about?

667
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: Well, i'd let's say the TV show, the sixties TV show, Oh,

668
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: the Class Yeah, or like maybe or any of them.

669
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, I would like this monster truck. I've been

670
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: hearing about it. I want the Batmobile Monster.

671
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd want to drive a batmobile around

672
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: because I feel like it has terrible handling.

673
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm guessing that.

674
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: Like you know how like supercars, those wildly expensive race cars.

675
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: They only they look really great, but they're only fit

676
00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: to drive on.

677
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: A track for the most part.

678
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, the batmobile would be no match for Oakland potholes.

679
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: It rides so low.

680
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: He's sitting with a blown out tire in the side

681
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: of the road with your batmobile just off the post

682
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: off people are driving by. What's wrong with your batmobile?

683
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: Got away? Yeah?

684
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: There's simply also not enough cargo room for me to

685
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: take it to Costco. Oh yeah, of course, you know,

686
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: the maximum payload for that would be like for frozen

687
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: dumplings in Pellegrino, would be like one bag in half

688
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: a case.

689
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: You probably get a bat suv. Oh maybe you could

690
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: maybe a BATMANI van or a bat cargo van.

691
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: Well, until then, I'll pass, thank you very much. In

692
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, there was a man and the man was

693
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: named Sam and Ignastu.

694
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: I thought this man was gonna be a man with

695
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: the plan.

696
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: He was a man with a plan. He was a

697
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: realtor from Atherton, California.

698
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: Oh.

699
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: Ather Dinner is a city in the Bay Area south

700
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: of San Francisco.

701
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: Where they got money.

702
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: The medium median home price is ten million dollars. Yeah,

703
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: that's the average, like the medians.

704
00:31:58,760 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 2: Rick where the Golden State Warriors.

705
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: That's in today's money. Oh yeah, Steph Curry lives there.

706
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: It's one of the wealthiest areas in the country. It

707
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: used to be old money by like California standards. Of course,

708
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: now there's a lot of Tecto. And then Steph Curry

709
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: from the Trader Golden State Warriors. If Sam was living

710
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: in Atherton, he was doing pretty well.

711
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I met so well.

712
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: He could afford his own batmobile. Oh, of course, so

713
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: he placed an order for a Batmobile replica with Mark Rackup,

714
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: owner of Fiberglass Freaks located in Logan Sport, Indiana.

715
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: Did he have like a website like buy a Batmobile?

716
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can one hundred percent get in touch with

717
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: this guy and buy a batmobile.

718
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, okay, what was that name again?

719
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: For Fiberglass Freaks, it's the only car garage licensed by

720
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: DC Comics to replicate the original Batmobile.

721
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: Oh like the sixties TV show.

722
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sam paid one hundred and seventy thousand dollars towards

723
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: this replica.

724
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: Batmobile the official bat Shop.

725
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: Yes, Sam was the first in line to receive a

726
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: custom Batmobile replica. But then he missed it twenty thousand

727
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: dollars payment. Oh no, and so he was moved to

728
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: the bottom of the list. Now he had to wait

729
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: one and a half to two years to get this batmobile.

730
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's bad. So this is what the Fiberglass Freque's.

731
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: Kind of messed up. You missed one payment, you go

732
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: to the bottom of the list or like upstarting game.

733
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's like they've got a lot

734
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: of people got a lot of rich, so the owner said, quote,

735
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: he disappeared on me for over eight months, almost nine months,

736
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: so he's trying to get to Yeah. Sam resurfaced, learned

737
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,239
Speaker 1: about being bumped to the bottom of the list and

738
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: was not happy. This is what Racop, the owner said, quote.

739
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: He didn't like that. He exploded. He did pay off

740
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: the entire car at that point, but he was absolutely

741
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: livid to find out that his car was going to

742
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: be delayed.

743
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: I'm just imagining literally him by going to pieces like exploding, shattering.

744
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: He comes back together, of course, like the terminator. It's

745
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: a comic book world that makes sense.

746
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: Records show that Rackop did receive a wire transfer from

747
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: Sam for forty thousand dollars, but the idea is that

748
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: he accepted the money knowing full well he wouldn't give

749
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: Sam the car. So he has the money paid. He's like,

750
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: now you got to just keep waiting, buddy. He and

751
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: the truth is he'd actually sold Sam's car to someone else.

752
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: The next person in mine turns ast turn, come to

753
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: find out. In August twenty twenty one, a report was

754
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: filed by Sam with the Atherton Police Department. It's a

755
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: real hard boiled crime crew over there. Sam claimed he

756
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: was the victim of fraud for not having received his

757
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: custom ordered batmobile, priced in total at two hundred and

758
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars.

759
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 2: WHOA, isn't that crazy? It's pretty steep. Yeah.

760
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: So the San Mateo County District Attorney's office that's where

761
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: Atherton's located, San Mateo County, they wouldn't file the complaint.

762
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: And then he also filed a civil lawsuit in San

763
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: Mateo County Spirit Court. And on top of that, he

764
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: filed a criminal complaint with the police in Indiana and

765
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: they refused to press criminal charges. Nobody tells Sam at

766
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: Agnostu No, although I have to say that if he

767
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: paid forty, should get it, even if it's enough to

768
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: pay for classroom supplies for an entire elementary school for

769
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: years to come. Sam wasn't happy, so he called San

770
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: Mateo County Sheriff Carlos Blanos.

771
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: They know each other.

772
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: Sam was a wealthy donor and also a personal friend

773
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: of the sheriff's brother. Sam wanted the sheriff to organize

774
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: a raid against fiberglass Freaks and arrest the owner, Mark

775
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: racka a raid. Yeah, why because they didn't have his batmobile.

776
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: That's why kick in the door.

777
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: Blanos was like, Okay, oh wow, this this move is unprecedented.

778
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: He my boys could use some practice.

779
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: Billanos had never sent a team out of state to

780
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: investigate a nonviolent crime before.

781
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of well whatever, I'm not gonna get

782
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: into jurisdiction.

783
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: Rackop faced two felony charges obtaining money by false pretenses

784
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: and diversion of construction funds. So July nineteenth, twenty twenty two,

785
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: the San Mateo County Vehicle Theft Task Force located in

786
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: Sunny California.

787
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: They freshly minted San Mateo Vehicle task They sent.

788
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: A San Mateo lieutenant, a sergeant, and two deputies to

789
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: Cass County, Indiana. That is not located in sand to

790
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: Teo County or Sunny California.

791
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: No, not even in California.

792
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: Zaren yes, close your eyes. I want you to picture it.

793
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: You are a Cass County, Indiana Sheriff's deputy.

794
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: Totally.

795
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: You've been assigned as liaison to a bunch of California

796
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: cowboys out to raid fiberglass Freaks, a local business with.

797
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: Which you are slightly familiar.

798
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: You are there to arrest shop owner Mark Rackop and

799
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: extradite him to California. You show up in your usual uniform.

800
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: The sheriffs from San Manteo County look like they're there

801
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,240
Speaker 1: for a cornhole atorney man buns backwards, baseball caps, jeans,

802
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: mirrored sunglasses. They're a different kind of cop, you guess.

803
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: You lead the convoy of cars down Erie Avenue and

804
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: glide to a stop on the side of the road.

805
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: You never realized it, but this block looks like it

806
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: could be in a Batman movie. What looked to be

807
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: abandoned brick buildings that once house small manufacturing line the road.

808
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: You have your eyes on a white brick building with

809
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: a line of black trim running across the top fiberglass freaks.

810
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: The street is silent save one songbird in the fir

811
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: trees up front. You and the team head to the

812
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: gravel driveway that wraps around the back of the building.

813
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: You pass an acid green Dodge charger. This must be

814
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: the place, you think that or a recruiting office. The

815
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: San Mateo guys are ready to charge in, but you

816
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: hold up a hand. You knock on the door. A

817
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: large genial man answers. You hold up a warrant and

818
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: the rest of the guy's barge in by you.

819
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 2: You look past the.

820
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: Proprietor and you see an incredible workshop at the center

821
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: of which sits a black batmobile, just like in the

822
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: old sixties TV show, and beyond that more batmobiles. A

823
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: solitary tear runs down your face. You've never seen anything

824
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: so beautiful. Rakops shop was searched that day and two

825
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: files were seized. He was taken back to Cass County

826
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: Sheriff's office facilities, but was neither handcuffed nor incarcerated due

827
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: to his health. Racops said, quote they showed the warrant

828
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: saying that they were here to seize anything to do

829
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: with his car. So I thought, oh, they're coming to

830
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: pick up his car, which is right behind me by

831
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: the way. I thought I was going to have to

832
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: move my other batmobiles out of way to be able

833
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: to let them take his car his other batmobiles. Balanos

834
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: detailed the raid, the ensuing search, and the level of

835
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: involvement from the Cass County officer. In a four page

836
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: internal memo. Bilanos wrote that his deputies quote did nothing wrong,

837
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: and I stand with them and support them. Of course,

838
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you sent them there.

839
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: You better.

840
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: He goes on further to say, quote, while it is

841
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: true that I asked that this case be investigated, and

842
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: I am acquainted with the victim, as I am with

843
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: many residents of San Mateo County, I would make the

844
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: same request of our investigators whenever a potential crime of

845
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: this nature came to my attention.

846
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: Sure is sam Mateo's sheriff, Joe Arpeo. I totally believe you.

847
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: Just see that. There are a lot of people that

848
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: I think would prove that wrong. So later, the owner

849
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: of Fiberglass Freaks, he learned that his bank account was

850
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: frozen and that a warrant had been obtained for his

851
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: Gmail contacts and photos. He said, quote, I was horrified.

852
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: I've never gone through anything like this ever before in

853
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: my life, and I'm on the side of good as

854
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: a Batman fan since I was two years old. This

855
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: was a completely opposite side. I love sixty six Batman

856
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: and Batman has always stood with the law.

857
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Later the same month, breaking this port NERD's heart,

858
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: making him beyond the wrong side of the Batman.

859
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: He does incredible stuff like it's a bat I bet.

860
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: That if they gave him him premature of DC. I'm

861
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: sure his work is phenology.

862
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super meticulous, Sam Mateo County District Attorney Steve

863
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: Wagstaff dropped the charges following further investigation. He explained, quote,

864
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: the batmobile case fell into the category of cases that

865
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: should have remained in the civil court, which obviously Wagstaff

866
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: stated that he had no idea there were any plans

867
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: for officers to go on a cross country trip to

868
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: stage a raid. What's interesting is that Wagstaff was actually

869
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: the first person Sam approached for assistance with his batmobile issue.

870
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: Wagstaff is the referee for an adult basketball team that

871
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: Sam plays on.

872
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: Huh shocking.

873
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: He also Sam also made a thousand dollars donation to

874
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 1: Wagstaff's reelection campaign. No, and Wagstaff's department ended up decl

875
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Speaker 1: the case, and that was the last Wagstaff heard of

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Speaker 1: it until he returned from vacation and learned that everything

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Speaker 1: had blown up. So he was like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I know you gave me money, I know we shoot hoops,

879
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: but no, no, And then he comes back from vacation

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Speaker 1: darn it. When asked about public concern over his favoritism

881
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: that was shown Wagstaff said, quote, I do respect that concern,

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00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: but in terms of my office, I know whatever decision

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00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: was made, right or wrong, it wasn't done because of

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00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: who the victim was. Everybody deserves to be treated the same.

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00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: That's where what we strive for here. And I'm sorry

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00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: there's an image out there with the public that that

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00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: hasn't occurred.

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00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: So he's mad that people. He's upset that people are upset.

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00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: How dare you?

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Speaker 2: He's like, I'm really disappointed, how Darius? Everybody is so.

891
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: Upset, and I treat everyone like this. That's why the

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00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: courts are so backed up in Sanmuteous. Yes, I'm County

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00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: Supervisor Warren slocumbe quote respectfully disagreed. I bet, he said quote.

894
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: It seems like, and I don't have all the facts

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00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: that there are two systems of justice here, one for

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Speaker 1: a wealthy, connected person and one for everyone else.

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00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: Oh you think, yeah, I might go three or fours

898
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Speaker 2: to you knew here, Warren.

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Speaker 1: There's this investigative reporter here in the Bay Area, Dan

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Speaker 1: Noise and Oye. Yes, he's been at it for ages.

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00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: He irritates a lot of people, and he also gets

902
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: like a dog on a bone with stories. Oh I

903
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: like that in a reporter He was all over the

904
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: Batmobile case. Yeah, he was the one who broke it,

905
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: so Dan nois ABC seven News. He was the one

906
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: who told Rackop that his case was going to be dropped.

907
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: He got to break the news to him. Noise all

908
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: up in the business. Racop said, quote, Holy cow, Dan,

909
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: what a relief. This has been a ten week nightmare

910
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: and it's finally coming to a close.

911
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: The holy cow, Dan is well played, well played.

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00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: All told, six months was spent on investigating, over ten

913
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars was spent on traveling to Indiana for the raid,

914
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: and fifty five thousand to pay red I retired Judge

915
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: Winnifred Smith to write up a forty seven page report

916
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: on the whole thing. Fifty five grand. This is what

917
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: the judge said, quote ensuring the appropriate expenditure of public

918
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: funds should always be of the highest priority. Dude, Yo,

919
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: give me fifty five thousand dollars and I'll write a

920
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: bunch of sentences like that.

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Speaker 2: Judge Smith, a grand page, A little let me dang.

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Speaker 1: She said that the sheriff's offices actions, while not illegal,

923
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: were not a practical use of county resources or taxpayers money.

924
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: And she also argued that Belanos is one on one

925
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: interaction with for Sam's complaint and admission that concerns from

926
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: those he didn't know were rerouted was indicative of unequal

927
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: access and treatment to county residents.

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00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course.

929
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: So this is what Dan Neyes had to say. Quote,

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00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: the raid and the fraud charges against Ratcop, which were

931
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: dropped after my reports, should never have happened. Your public

932
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: money paid for the trip last week by the sheriff's investigators.

933
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: Four round trip plane tickets, three nights of hotels, meals,

934
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Speaker 1: rental cars, and a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of overt time.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing is that they're up the clock that

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00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: whole time.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised at ten thousand, and I thought it'd be

939
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: more expensive to send him to Indiana'd be quite on.

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00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that that's just like the flights

941
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: and the meals, per damns and stuff.

942
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: Now, I think what we can all agree, and Dan

943
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: Noyse would want us to agree. The real batman of

944
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: this story is Dan Noise.

945
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 1: Oh completely, he's He's Noise. So this is what Dan

946
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: Noise did. He tried to reach out to the sheriff,

947
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: But the sheriff never called him back, never responded to

948
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: any texts that Dan Neise sent to the sheriff's personal

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00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: cell phone.

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00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, they cops loved not answering journalist questions.

951
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 2: It's like a kink for them.

952
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: Well, then Noise he decides, you know what, I'm going

953
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: to go to the retirement party for Blano's second in command, like.

954
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: The second Yeah, I like it. And then but.

955
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: They get there and Blano, the sheriff, he's out of

956
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: town for a month long vacation.

957
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 2: Oh so interesting.

958
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: This is what someone named Lieutenant Allen said, quote. I'm

959
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: not in charge of his travel calendar or his schedule.

960
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: So everyone's like, hey, look, this has no thing to

961
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: do with me. And then it turns out Bellanos loses

962
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: the election, leaves office in January.

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00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 2: Ooh. Noise was, however, able contribute to him losing the election.

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00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 2: Do you think all this press, I mean this gotta

965
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: be a vote of no confidence. Yeah.

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00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: Noise got in touch with Sam though, while Sam was

967
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: vacationing in Greece. Everyone out here going on vacation. You

968
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: couldn't believe when he asked Sam, When Dan Noys asked

969
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: Sam about the batmobile. He said, quote, I'm dealing with

970
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: someone privately on that, and Dan Noise said, who's that?

971
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: And Sam hung up on him.

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00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: Wosniak click.

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00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: Per wrack Up the business owner. He said his business

974
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: suffered and estimated three hundred and fifty thousand dollars loss,

975
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: and it also took a toll on his mental health.

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00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: I bet quote because of this, I see a sheriff's

977
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: cargo pass, I freak, even just for a moment. You know,

978
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: it might only be thirty seconds or maybe even fifteen seconds.

979
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: But that's not me.

980
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: So this is like the New Joker origin story totally.

981
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: He used to be filled with bubbling cry in happiness

982
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 1: when he saw a sheriff's cruiser. Now exactly, and he's

983
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: building these cars?

984
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 2: Is he going to build it next?

985
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: But rack Up does give all credit, thanks and praise

986
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: to Dan Noyce.

987
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the real Batman.

988
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Dan for what you've done. If

989
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: you had not followed through on those whistleblowers, if you

990
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: hadn't believed them, this case would have continued, and I

991
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: would have had been in Sa Mateo on Friday morning.

992
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: And I thank you so so much you never want

993
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: to be in Sam mateo on a Friday morning.

994
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: No. As of March twenty twenty three, Rackup was still

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00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: he was making progress on other batmobiles. He has nine

996
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: others that he's working on. But Sam's batmobile, Batman Bile,

997
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: is three and a half years away from completion due

998
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: to quote difficulty obtaining parts.

999
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: So he's still waiting for me.

1000
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: This is what he said, quote. I cannot believe that

1001
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: it's taking sometimes up to a year to get a chassis,

1002
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: and it's taking six months to get a drive train.

1003
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: It's really crazy, wild most I can't believe that. So, Sarah,

1004
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1005
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: I don't have a batmobile of my own. I mean,

1006
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: apparently they're just handing these things out. All you have

1007
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: to be is a ridiculous criminal, So I want one.

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00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: Well as you.

1009
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: You you herald the stories of ridiculous criminals. You're entitled

1010
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: to a batmobile.

1011
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: We get a sponsored batmobile, like a ridiculous batmobile. Do it.

1012
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: We'll work on that and I'll just.

1013
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: Go around doing crimes until Batman can find me. I

1014
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: stole your whip.

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00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: Rather how you get to meet Batman? You do have

1016
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: crime steal his car.

1017
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: That's how you get to meet him. That's Oakland style. Son,

1018
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: Welcome to the town. Just gopping a batmobile exactly. This

1019
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: is all I have. Bat Man left his luggage in

1020
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: the batmobile. I got it now, who got the extra

1021
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: Batman suit? Son? Sorry, I'll stop.

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Speaker 1: You can find us online at ridiculous Crime dot com.

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Speaker 1: We have t shirts if you're into that sort of thing, mugs,

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Speaker 1: it's just limited edition merchandise. It's constantly changing, but you

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Speaker 1: got to get them while they're there because they're not

1026
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: going to come back.

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00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,479
Speaker 2: Yea hopping and hopping out. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Email us at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com, Leave

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