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Speaker 1: Here we go at our two. Jmack is back. We

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Speaker 1: are flying through it today. Lane Johnson of the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 1: Last hour. Rachel Nickler in a couple of minutes. So

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Speaker 1: we had the NBA Draft last night. The top eleven

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Speaker 1: picks all played college basketball, all of them. This is

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Speaker 1: something you have heard me going on about this. College

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Speaker 1: basketball and I've said this for the last couple of

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Speaker 1: years is having a renaissance due to the NIL But

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Speaker 1: I told Adam Sober this, I never like the G League.

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Speaker 1: It was more about compensation. The NBA became paralyzed with compensation.

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Speaker 1: And if the college football guys aren't getting compensated, in Nathan,

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Speaker 1: they get tackled for four years. Yeah, players deserve to

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Speaker 1: be paid, and eventually they were, but the NBA got paralyzed.

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Speaker 1: You got to compensate players over, how about develop them?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how about develop the young players? So I

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Speaker 1: never liked the G League. I mean, go look at

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Speaker 1: the playoffs this year, where were all the great G

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Speaker 1: League and overtime elite guys. Amen Thompson is the best

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Speaker 1: of them and he's still unpolished. Scoot Henderson, Kaminga, Jalen Green,

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Speaker 1: Kaminga can't even play with Steph Curry. He has no

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Speaker 1: developed games. So again, if you want to just take

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Speaker 1: a cash grab for a year, I think in the

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Speaker 1: end the G League's regression. I mean, if you go

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Speaker 1: I thought it what the league was just paralyzed by it.

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Speaker 1: You've got to pay him. The NBA and basketball in

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Speaker 1: America is a suburb sport. The best teams are in

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Speaker 1: like so you know this idea, that are the kids?

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Speaker 1: You know, they can't do one year? Send him to Duke.

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Speaker 1: They have chefs. I talked to gon Zagas Mark Few

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Speaker 3: We've found that why go to the GI League when

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Speaker 1: Got to be careful about being idealistic because it can

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Speaker 4: But the way san Antonio is looking at all of

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I think needs to be addressed.

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Speaker 1: Like they had a Super Bowl between I was at

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Speaker 1: the year. I think they need to address it now.

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Speaker 1: First round five games or your takeaway on Adam Silver

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Speaker 4: Yeah, these Achilles injuries, they're not as devastating. They don't

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Speaker 4: They're unraveling what was a championship level team because of

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Speaker 5: I asked Adam Silver.

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Speaker 4: At the beginning of the Finals, what are we thinking

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Speaker 4: right now about shortening the regular season? Where is the

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Speaker 4: There is obviously a lot of advocates who will tell

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Speaker 5: Draymond rain is absolutely right. It's not just they used

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Speaker 4: They cover about ten percent more miles in a game

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Speaker 4: measurably different, and the physicality of the game is measurely different.

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Speaker 4: We all remember nineties basketball and talk about it lovingly,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. You know. I was saying

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Speaker 1: That is just fatigue and wear and tear, and it's okay.

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Speaker 1: it's well chronicled that when James Dolan was building the sphere,

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Speaker 4: The next coach Well, I was very interested that Nico

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Speaker 4: Harrison said last night, Jason Kidd will be coaching the

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Speaker 4: Mavericks next year. You guys played the clip a few

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Speaker 4: But if Jason Kidd decides to go to the Mavericks

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Speaker 5: Do you want that guy coaching your team?

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Speaker 4: Do you want a guy who doesn't want to be

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Speaker 4: there talking to the media every day, dealing with your

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Speaker 4: got to disagree with what you said earlier in the show, Colin.

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Speaker 4: I think the next job could be more attractive for

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Speaker 4: Jason Kidd. Here's the first reason.

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Speaker 4: Here's the second reason. Money, also money. Jason Kidd is

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Speaker 4: I'll fight them.

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Speaker 7: That was no dope.

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Speaker 5: Great to see you, Colan.

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Speaker 1: So you see j Mac you you think it's always

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Speaker 7: I'm sure you saw that last calls.

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Speaker 8: Like eleven o'clock in Okay, see.

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Speaker 1: Okay, don't need to take any shots.

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Speaker 7: Yea, yeah, we.

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Speaker 1: Live in Chicago. It's the Hurd.

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Speaker 2: One more Herd. The Herd streams twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 5: Hi, this is Jay.

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Speaker 9: I'm the producer of the Pauli and Tony Fusco show.

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Speaker 9: Usually In these promos they asked you to listen to

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Speaker 6: What the hell are you doing our studio get him, Pauline,

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Speaker 2: He's still moving.

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Speaker 1: Based on a comment by Josh Kronke, who's the president

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Speaker 1: People say Lamar Jackson. Lamar Jackson's passer rating in the

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow got another significant injury. If Josh

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Speaker 7: Well wait a minute, wait a minute, he got moved.

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Speaker 1: it's Steph Curry. I'll ask you this if tomorrow there

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying nobody, the Dodgers. You could give

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Speaker 7: But I'm just telling you, I just got a text

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Speaker 8: Gentleman named Wardell Curry, and he said, wtf is Colin

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Speaker 8: he is their franchise. They're not moving off Curry. By

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Speaker 8: Lakers trading Lebron James. That's just not happening. There's no

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Speaker 2: You they're not doing.

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Speaker 1: The point is you don't know that you could trade.

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Speaker 7: Well, theoretically you could trade Patrick Mahomes. If somebody says.

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Speaker 8: Doesn't matter, He's still he said, Lebron James, he's printing money.

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Speaker 1: Lak The Lakers sell out during Kobe's awful last four years,

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Speaker 7: The LA lays a bunch of star you know whatters

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Speaker 7: Shack was Kobe.

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Speaker 1: Shack was unbuild. He was way more popular than Kobe.

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Speaker 7: I know we could create these scenarios, but come.

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Speaker 1: And I would argue in the pocket he may be

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Speaker 1: better than Lamar.

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Speaker 7: Right now, did we pump the brakes?

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Speaker 8: He hasn't played twenty NFL games yet, Maybe he's not

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Speaker 8: twenty one games or whatever.

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Speaker 1: The breaks on this car don't work. I'm not even

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Speaker 1: taking a call on him tomorrow. If Luke is just

441
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Speaker 1: like I can't do it with Lebron. They don't even

442
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Speaker 1: hesitate to move Lebron.

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Speaker 8: So again, what's the argument that they would trade Wemby

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Speaker 8: from the Spurs?

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Speaker 7: What is that again? Just run by?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, I'm saying right now, I always use

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Speaker 1: this argument. Let's throw out a crazy hypothetical. He misses

448
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Speaker 1: another forty games this year, you are going to look

449
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Speaker 1: at him differently than you did two years.

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Speaker 7: That's in a hypothetical. Let's deal in reality.

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Speaker 1: Not No, it's not bigs that get hurt in the

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Speaker 1: first two years. We have a twenty five year history.

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Speaker 1: They get hurt again within two years.

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Speaker 8: Technically, he didn't get hurt. He had a blood clot

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Speaker 8: of medical issue. Sorry to get all you know.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's not a lot of pro athletes at twenty

457
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Speaker 1: one that have major blood clot issues. They're is it out.

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Speaker 7: Wires, It's just random. This isn't Greg Odin.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm not saying you would, but I'm saying there

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Speaker 1: there is a history of bigs and medical concerns early.

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Speaker 1: I was said six years ago in MBT. I'm like, guys,

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Speaker 1: he can't stay healthy. That's right on that, you know.

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Speaker 8: Listen, I had fun of fun four days watching my

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Speaker 8: daughter play volleyball. I forgot how much fun this is coming.

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Speaker 8: Oh my gosh, geez I. I just love arguing with you, man.

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Speaker 1: Jmckle.

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Speaker 2: The news, no news, this is the herd line news.

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Speaker 8: All right, no argument here. You're Genenver Broncos. Everybody loves

469
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Speaker 8: them both. Nick center year two after having probably the

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Speaker 8: second best rookie quarterback season after Jade and Daniels. In

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Speaker 8: a recent TV appearance, Bronco's left tackle Garrett Bowles spoke

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Speaker 8: Khiglie of his quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Bose a trenendous football player.

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Speaker 10: Man, I'm so grateful I get to protect him and

475
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Speaker 10: you know, you know, being his live side protector, you know,

476
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Speaker 10: giving them all the time in the world. You know,

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Speaker 10: he's he's a freaking angel. You know, you looked at

478
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Speaker 10: the numbers that he put up last year. You know,

479
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Speaker 10: you know, between him and J. T. Daniels, you know,

480
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Speaker 10: those was the two young quarterbacks the league that's going

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Speaker 10: to be very successful. And you know, I have one

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Speaker 10: of them behind me. And you know his demeanor, his composer,

483
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Speaker 10: his you know, his work atic, you know, just always

484
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Speaker 10: wanting to get better and let me know, his arm,

485
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Speaker 10: talent and just the way he sees you. Hey, yeah,

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Speaker 10: swag man, he really does.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's funny half the GMS were not Bonnicks fans.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing?

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Speaker 8: Well, he's like a jack of all trades, master of none.

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Speaker 8: This doesn't he's not a special player in any category.

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Speaker 7: He just good at everything.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a rookie. He threw for thirty eight

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Speaker 1: hundred yards and had twenty nine passing touchdowns as a

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Speaker 1: rookie in a division with Harbaugh and Andy Reid and

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Speaker 1: the Raiders actually defensive league were okay.

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Speaker 8: So for anybody who thinks bon Nicks could have a

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Speaker 8: sophomore slump. He opens against the Tennessee Titans crap defense,

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Speaker 8: and then the Indianapolis Colts average at best. Then he

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Speaker 8: has the Bengals in Week four and they haven't played

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Speaker 8: defense in a few years. So there is a world

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Speaker 8: where Nicks comes out hot and honestly, Denver starts three

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Speaker 8: and one or people are like, oh, is this maybe

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Speaker 8: a super Bowl team? Like this schedule. I know the

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Speaker 8: Chargers game will be difficult out here at so far,

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Speaker 8: and then that Eagles Jets back to back.

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Speaker 7: On the is tough.

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Speaker 8: But the New York Giants don't have a defense. The

508
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Speaker 8: Cowboys defense doesn't scare anybody, you know. The Texans defense

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Speaker 8: is good, not elite. I don't think, Sorry, Greg, I

510
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Speaker 8: think there's a world where Nicks does not have a

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Speaker 8: slump in Denver's an eleven win team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it just was interesting. I remember going

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Speaker 1: I saw Bonnicks play twice live, and I remember the

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Speaker 1: second time I went to Utah. I was in Utah

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Speaker 1: and I got a seat in the second row, and

516
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Speaker 1: because I wanted to be behind the Oregon bench. He

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Speaker 1: was literally going talking to his offensive lineman, barking like

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Speaker 1: it was like he was a code. The first thing

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Speaker 1: you noticed, he's way more ripped in person than you think,

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Speaker 1: like he is jacked up, not Will Levis where it

521
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Speaker 1: looks like he's, you know, kind of infatuated with a mirror,

522
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Speaker 1: but just kind of in shape. And then the second

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Speaker 1: thing is do that guy coach is on the sideline

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Speaker 1: like he is barking at college guys. So it's just

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Speaker 1: funny that in the NFL, where quarterbacks the number one position,

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Speaker 1: a big chunk of the league, with sixty one games

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Speaker 1: on tape, two major conferences, about half the league wasn't

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Speaker 1: into him. I just don't get what didn't they see

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Speaker 1: or athletic. Then I think people realize maybe you just

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Speaker 1: people didn't watch enough Oregon. You watch them play in college.

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Speaker 1: Dude is an athlete.

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Speaker 8: It's okay to say that the NFL still struggles at

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Speaker 8: times to identify who's gonna work in the NFL at

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Speaker 8: quarterback and who won't.

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Speaker 7: Next up Colin, let's go to the Cowboys.

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Speaker 8: Not talking about them a lot because there's really nothing

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Speaker 8: to say.

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Speaker 7: But the wide receiver room is legit.

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Speaker 8: They've got the one two punch of pickins and CD

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Speaker 8: Lamb and listen.

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Speaker 7: Brian Schottenheimer's first run as a head coach could be impressive.

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Speaker 8: According to Pro Football Focus, you can't find a better.

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Speaker 7: One two punch at wide.

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Speaker 11: Receiver is always operated best when they have a vertical

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Speaker 11: threat that opens up the space to allow Ceede Lamb

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Speaker 11: to work underneath.

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Speaker 7: And you know what I.

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Speaker 11: Still think to this day, I think they're the winners

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Speaker 11: right now of the George Pickens trade.

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Speaker 2: I like this trade.

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Speaker 11: On their end. They can decide whether to extend him later.

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Speaker 11: But he was one of five receivers in the NFL

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Speaker 11: with a perfect ninety nine point nine deep receiving grade.

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Speaker 11: The threat that Pickens gives you one on one deep

555
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Speaker 11: down the field is going to open things up for

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Speaker 11: Lamb underneath. And I don't think you could pick two

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Speaker 11: receivers that compliment each other better than those two.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell this at you. I'm gonna name I think

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Speaker 1: there's about eight teams every year that could win the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. And I'll name them, and you say, yes

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Speaker 1: if you believe it, Okay, Kansas City, yeah, Buffalo yeah, Baltimore, yes,

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Speaker 1: Detroit yeah, Rams yeah. You like San Francisco, I'll put

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Speaker 1: them in there. San Francisco, Yeah, Like I think the

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Speaker 1: Chargers are going to be in that space. My personal opinion, Chargers,

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Speaker 1: you maybe yes or no. Your Super Bowl bubble is

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Speaker 1: gonna be huge well right now. And I think Denver's

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Speaker 1: better than people think. So what do they all have

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Speaker 1: in common? They all have good coaches. Like it's interesting

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Speaker 1: to watch Cowboy fan. There's an argument you have the

570
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Speaker 1: worst staff in the league. I'm not saying. I'm not

571
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Speaker 1: saying coach is bigger than quarterback. But this Brian shotten

572
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Speaker 1: Emmer thing is going to unravel by mid October. He

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Speaker 1: struggled to keep jobs as a coordinator. I don't I've

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Speaker 1: interviewed him. He has a reputation as a nice guy.

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Speaker 1: He was a bounce around guy at cowardin there. Tell

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Speaker 1: me the last bounce around the league coordinator that became

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Speaker 1: a great head coach. It doesn't exist. Yeah, Like so

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Speaker 1: it's like, doesn't matter how goods Pickens is. Well, mid October,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be rumors. I mean, never forget this, that

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy left the Cowboys.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that was before Pickens. I'll just say the variance

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Speaker 8: with Pickens is going to be massive. I mean, Colin,

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Speaker 8: he's playing for a contract, right, he's opposite Ceedee Lamb

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Speaker 8: and if him and Dak click and he's like, man,

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Speaker 8: I could be a big money guy. Maybe Pickens keeps

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Speaker 8: his stays in line and isn't like a locker room

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Speaker 8: disaster like in Pittsburgh. I mean, doesn't that exist that scenario.

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Speaker 1: The only scenario I see is five and twelve. That's

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Speaker 1: it or less, this team does not win six games.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm convinced of it. Yeah, we have a

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Speaker 1: trade in the NBA. Colin Holy Cal, here we go.

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Speaker 8: The Los Angeles Lakers have traded up from the fifty

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Speaker 8: fifth pick in the second round of tonight's draft to

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Speaker 8: the forty fifth pick. Now, it's unclear if the Lakers

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Speaker 8: are targeting someone specifically or or they are lining up

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Speaker 8: a trade. There is a lot of stuff floating around

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Speaker 8: right now about your guy Austin Reeves.

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Speaker 7: Because he's in line for a four year, eighty nine

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Speaker 7: million dollar deal.

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Speaker 8: But if he's traded to another team, he could make

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Speaker 8: one hundred and eighty two mil, basically a lot more money.

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Speaker 7: If he goes elsewhere.

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Speaker 8: Now he's going to command a big, big contract to

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Speaker 8: the Lakers trade him to get someone else to get

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Speaker 8: in front of having to pay him. There's also reports

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Speaker 8: tell me, would you do this? Okay, would you do

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Speaker 8: Rui Hachimura, Dalton Can and a twenty thirty one first

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Speaker 8: round pick for Derek White?

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Speaker 1: Yes, say it again to the audience.

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Speaker 8: Ruiyachimura, Dalton connect and a twenty thirty one first Lebron

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Speaker 8: will be long gone, Luca will be like thirty.

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Speaker 1: Derek White, Derek ab So change the Lakers.

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Speaker 8: You would have a nucleus of Reeves, White, Luca Lebron

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Speaker 8: that's formidable, but no size whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that is a top three to four team in

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Speaker 1: the West.

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Speaker 2: You and this.

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Speaker 1: They have no size, which is fine because Derek White

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Speaker 1: isn't size, but Luca is a big guard. Derek White's

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Speaker 1: an elite defender. So you would have four guys, four

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Speaker 1: that can create shots or hit threes. You may not

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Speaker 1: win a championship. You'd still have to make a size

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Speaker 1: move at some point. You have to with the trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: get size. Can Hayes and Reddick don't work.

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Speaker 8: They went after Mark Williams from Charlotte. Well he got

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Speaker 8: traded to Phoenix.

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Speaker 1: I can't get that move. I think that's the easiest

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Speaker 1: move you've ever proposed on this show.

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Speaker 8: And now I don't propose that. Hold on, hold it,

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Speaker 8: that's a report that's not mine. I'm on the fence

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Speaker 8: on this deal.

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Speaker 7: Order.

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Speaker 8: So if that deal goes through, give me your top

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Speaker 8: four players on the Lakers in order.

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Speaker 1: Uh. Well, look, I would say Lebron, Luca, Derek White,

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves, Derek White above Austin News. Derek White's an

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Speaker 1: elite defender. Austin Reeves is this chair?

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Speaker 8: Oh I'm sorry, hell out to stop disparaging my guy.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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Speaker 1: The problem is Austin Reeves. If he is your four,

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Speaker 1: that's a conference final potential team. If he's your three,

642
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Speaker 1: you're not dead.

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Speaker 8: Let me just remind you Rudy Gobert had like twenty

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Speaker 8: seven and twenty in the clincher. Okay, this trade does

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Speaker 8: nothing to help them against a big Okay.

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Speaker 1: Derek White's thirty one and was on the Team USA

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Speaker 1: last year. He's better than Austin Reeves. I got news

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Speaker 1: for you. Austin Reeves against the t Wolves when they

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Speaker 1: put athletes on him. Hello, anybody's seen him? Where do

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Speaker 1: you go?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 7: Oh man?

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Speaker 1: That would be a first of all, who's proposing this trade?

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Speaker 7: I don't know it, says report here.

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Speaker 8: Listen, I'm not giving up the Japanese Jordan aka Ruyatsi Moro.

656
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 8: He's good, He's very valuable. And listen, first round picks

657
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Speaker 8: down the road. I don't know whether the Lakers are

658
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Speaker 8: gonna be in five years. I do think they're gonna

659
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Speaker 8: be good with new ownership, but we'll see if that.

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Speaker 1: If that is the if that is available, make the move.

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Speaker 1: Derek White's you're three now in Boston when they won

662
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Speaker 1: a title, he was somewhere between a four and five.

663
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Speaker 1: But they're not Boston. They're not but and the East

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Speaker 1: is easier than the West. But if Derek White's you're

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Speaker 1: three in Austin's your four, that is a multiple potential.

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Speaker 1: If everybody's healthy and Lucas supposed to be in decent shape,

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Speaker 1: that is a multiple series winning Westerns.

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Speaker 8: Lakers become the savorites in the West.

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Speaker 7: Over overrated okay, so.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, Okay, sees better. Houston's probably better,

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Speaker 1: but by Dallas I think is wereal Toy good. But

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Speaker 1: I've said this for years, it's not about your star.

673
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Speaker 1: Who is your fourth best player? When the Warriors dominated

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Speaker 1: the league, think about how this team you had Katie one,

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Speaker 1: Step two, Clay three, Draymon four. Draymond is the best

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Speaker 1: defensive player in the history of the league. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: that's your four and he's an offensive catalyst. That is

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Speaker 1: an all time team. If you go to Jordan Pippin,

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Speaker 1: I mean, KU coach at one point was great and

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Speaker 1: then Rodman, you start going to when your fourth guy

681
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Speaker 1: is like a Hall of Fame level player. Derek White

682
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: is a Team USA guy, tremendous shooter, smart guy, worker

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Speaker 1: and an excellent defender. Boyll the Celtics cleaning house or

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Speaker 1: why would they want the Dalton Connect.

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Speaker 7: Get off money? Well don't.

686
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Speaker 8: The Connect is a gunner, just like your boy. He

687
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 8: loves to fill it up from downtown. Doesn't play a

688
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Speaker 8: lot of d though.

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Speaker 1: And those new Celtics owners are going to be shedding

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Speaker 1: some payroll. They're going to be down to Jalen Brown

691
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Speaker 1: and a bunch of Wicker furniture. What's going on here?

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Speaker 1: They're dumping the whole franchise. Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Get me all fired up for that. Jmack. J Max says, well,

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Speaker 1: they're called reports, Well, who who's reporting?

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Speaker 8: I'm interested Joey Baggett Donuts in Boston.

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Speaker 1: According to Davis, for that was too specific for you

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Speaker 1: I would make that movie one. I can't even believe

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Speaker 1: So I had said the other day that I think

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark maybe stylistically play is like Steph Curry, but

711
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Speaker 1: I think she's really Michael Jordan. Is that you know,

712
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Speaker 1: magic and Bird. People say save the League, but Michael

713
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: made it global. Michael really made a lot of guys rich.

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Speaker 1: His ability to sell merchandise. That's why that movie Air

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Speaker 1: is so good. Damon Ben Affleck, It's such a good movie.

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Speaker 1: And that's her. She has moved merchandise up five hundred

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Speaker 1: percent ratings fifty percent. Jordan's the only pro athlete in

718
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Speaker 1: my lifetime that literally had half the league viewership in

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Speaker 1: his pocket. And then she arrived. Michael his second year,

720
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Speaker 1: broke a bone in his foot and you know, didn't

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Speaker 1: play much, and because the league was getting very, very physical.

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Speaker 1: And in college basketball, players you know, you play go

723
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Speaker 1: from thirty games to play in eighty two plus the

724
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Speaker 1: playoffs in pre season. So now Caitlin Clark has banged up.

725
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Speaker 1: She will not play again tonight. So the physicality, she's

726
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Speaker 1: getting roughed up, the league has an off season. How

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Speaker 1: do we defend her, Well, it's pretty obvious how people

728
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: want to defend her. They're trapping, double teaming, getting very physical,

729
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Speaker 1: and now she's banged up. So her first six games

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Speaker 1: she was Caitlin Clark. In her last three games, she's

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Speaker 1: averaging twelve a game and shooting twenty seven percent. She

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Speaker 1: is not healthy. So this is where she's a lot

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Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan is the physicality of the league, and

734
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Speaker 1: basketball has always been this way. If you can't figure

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Speaker 1: out how to stop somebody, Steph Curry face some of

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Speaker 1: this in basketball. The ants Arizuola's get physical with them,

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Speaker 1: make them uncomfortable. Rick Patina was on yesterday and talked

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Speaker 1: about Caitlin Clark. She's a great passive.

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Speaker 3: She reminds me of Steph Curry when Steph Curry came

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Speaker 3: into the league. She's doing what step did early on.

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Speaker 3: She has unbelievable range, she has great visions. She's a

742
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Speaker 3: terrific passive.

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Speaker 5: You know, she's.

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Speaker 3: Physically a little weak, but that's that's she'll She'll get

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Speaker 3: stronger as time goes on. But she really understands how

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Speaker 3: to play, and she reminds me of a female version

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Speaker 3: of Steph Curry. Incredible range.

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Speaker 1: So you may or may not know this. So when

749
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan was getting beat up by the Detroit Pistons, Jmack,

750
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Speaker 1: you're probably too young to remember this. Jordan finally decided

751
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: and from this point forward he lifted weights day of game.

752
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: Every day. Jordan got bigger and stronger. We've seen this

753
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Speaker 1: with NFL quarterbacks like Jaden Daniels. Apparently he's put on

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Speaker 1: fifteen pounds. Lamar Jackson got thicker. But Jordan, after getting

755
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Speaker 1: tackled for two years, was finding himself getting worn down

756
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Speaker 1: by the NBA because they couldn't stop him, So let's

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Speaker 1: tackle him. The Celtics and the Pistons. So Michael put

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Speaker 1: on size. So my take for Caitlin Clark is she

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Speaker 1: has to get more cut right now. She's a great

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Speaker 1: basketball player, She's not terribly strong and you can see it.

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Speaker 1: Players push her around. She fell to the floor off

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Speaker 1: kind of a semi body check and it's like, so,

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Speaker 1: I I think it's very much an mj compon in

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Speaker 1: terms of influence and merchandise and strength. It's a Steph

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Speaker 1: com in that her style. You know her stylistically she

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Speaker 1: plays much more steff than she does Michael Jordan. But

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Speaker 1: I think this is I don't think it's problematic. I

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Speaker 1: think it's the reality. This is why they went and

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Speaker 1: got Sophie Cunningham. Yes, she needed a Charles Oakley. That's

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Speaker 1: why they went and got Charles Oakley in Chicago to

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Speaker 1: protect Michael Jordan. Okay, co what you're saying.

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Speaker 8: So, first of all, that Jordan's story, so much has

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Speaker 8: been made of it. Oh, I had to get in

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Speaker 8: the weight room and pump iron after the Pistons beat

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Speaker 8: me up. Let me just remind people the Pistons went

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Speaker 8: to the finals three years in a row. The final

777
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Speaker 8: year they knocked out the Bulls, and that's what Jordan said,

778
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Speaker 8: I got a lift. So of course the Pistons are gassed.

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Speaker 8: The next year the Bulls sweeped them. So there's this

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Speaker 8: narrative Michael just got stronger and then kicked Detroit's butt,

781
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Speaker 8: not really, but to curry Colin. Interestingly, early in his career,

782
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Speaker 8: remember he had ankle injuries and he was not gonna

783
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Speaker 8: get the big bank money and he ended up getting

784
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Speaker 8: on like a cheaper contract. I know, it sounds cheaper

785
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Speaker 8: like it was like eighty million instead of the.

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Speaker 7: Real big money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, relative to what he could have had.

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Speaker 8: Right, So he was on like one of the best

789
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Speaker 8: deals ever and that's when they got hot.

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Speaker 7: But some of these guys, you're right, they're a little wiry.

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Speaker 7: I don't what are you.

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Speaker 8: Expecting Caitlin Clark to like get on creatine and gain

793
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Speaker 8: like ten pounds?

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Speaker 1: Like no, But I do think when I watch Caitlin Clark,

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jordan went from one ninety five to two fifteen.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't can I don't know that that works

797
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 8: with women's bodies in basketball.

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Speaker 1: Like well, when she plays, I don't you look at her?

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Speaker 1: You don't see a ton of definition. It works with

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Speaker 1: anybody like Asia Wilson. If you watch her play, she's physical, it's.

801
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Speaker 7: Like a different frame. But let me and let me

802
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Speaker 7: ask you this.

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Speaker 8: Maybe the WNB as WNB and aate's to step up

804
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Speaker 8: and referee her in a way that says, that's the

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Speaker 8: face of our league. We can't have people drop in

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Speaker 8: her all the time. And we need to protect our

807
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 8: stars the way the NFL. You know this, the NFL

808
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 8: protects quarterbacks. Remember there was a while. You breathe on Brady,

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Speaker 8: you breathe.

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Speaker 7: On my homes.

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Speaker 1: You get your get you back back. You go back

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Speaker 1: to hockey's history. Hockey had an era when scoring went

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Speaker 1: down and you were able to clutch and grab, and

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Speaker 1: Hockey stepped in and said, this is bad for the game.

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Speaker 1: It's slowing, it's down. Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem

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Speaker 1: doing that. The NBA went the other way. NBA says,

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Speaker 1: our game, our players are so skilled, we have to

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Speaker 1: make the game more physical. Otherwise it's one thirty eight,

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Speaker 1: one thirty and people hate now the All Star Game.

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Speaker 1: So the NBA skill is so great, they want a

821
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Speaker 1: more physical game. But I but NBA guys, can jump

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Speaker 1: over you. Yeah, WNBA players, it's not a vertical league. True,

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Speaker 1: So I do think you may have to consider like

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Speaker 1: hockey did, or like the NFL is done. Okay, we're

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Speaker 1: we're like quarterbacks are sitting targets, a lot of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do think it's something you have to consider, which

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Speaker 1: is we're going to officiate the WNBA at the trade

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Speaker 1: deadline or whenever they hit it differently than we've done before.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's radical.

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Speaker 7: Colin.

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Speaker 8: Remember she got bumped, poked in the eye, and then bumped.

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Speaker 8: Since that game, she's one for twenty three on three pointers.

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Speaker 8: I don't think it's a coincidence that she's been kind

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Speaker 8: of rattled and shook. I don't know that they injured

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Speaker 8: her in that game, but something seems off.

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Speaker 7: Clearly she doesn't look like herself.

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Speaker 1: Think about what's happened in American sports. Baseball has made

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Speaker 1: four to five changes. They've all worked all of them.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The NFL, they changed their kickoff, They've changed their pat

841
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Speaker 1: Now I love the pat change kickoff. I'm not sure

842
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: the NBA has never been reluctant to make changes. I

843
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: think they should shorten the playoffs from ten weeks to

844
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Speaker 1: like eight of seven gamers to five games maybe until

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Speaker 1: the finals. But I do think the WNBA has had

846
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Speaker 1: to sort of modify or shift the sport based on

847
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: having their first superstar, a global superstar. So I think

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Speaker 1: the knock on the WNBA is you weren't prepared for her.

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Speaker 1: And Christine Brennan has a book out, yes, and it's

850
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: very interesting. I talked about this there day. Caitlin Clark

851
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Speaker 1: had a game against Michigan when she was a sophomore

852
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: and drop forty six, and Christine Brennan says, people who

853
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: were at the game said, this is one of the

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00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: great games in the history of women's basketball. This player

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Speaker 1: is different. That was like Luca at fifteen was having

856
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: games where people were like this Luca guy that We've

857
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: never seen anybody offensively like this in Europe. So I

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00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: do think the WNBA, maybe now to get the critics

859
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: off their backs, should modify officiating to and you say, well,

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00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: it's pandering, No, it's not keeping your assets healthy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, protect the moneymaker, baby.

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Speaker 1: Yep. All right, two hours flying by, It is a

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Speaker 1: Thursday hour three coming up. It's the hurt