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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Did a mom murder both of her girls as part

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Speaker 2: of a revenge plot against her husband? Could that be?

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Speaker 2: Or are we horribly mistaken? I'm Nancy Grace. This is

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at

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Speaker 2: Fox Nation and series X one eleven. First of all,

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Speaker 2: let's start as I start so many actual prosecutions in

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Speaker 2: court with the nine to one one call. Listen.

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Speaker 3: Sharon Castro, fifteen, can be heard struggling to breathe in

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Speaker 3: the nine one one call. She tells the dispatcher her

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Speaker 3: mother shot her in the chest. The team keeps repeating

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Speaker 3: I don't want to die. Please help me, The dispatcher

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Speaker 3: promises the girl help is on the way. Kasho can

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Speaker 3: then be heard telling the dispatcher her five year old

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Speaker 3: sister is also in the apartment. The nine one one

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Speaker 3: operator urges the team to keep breathing and stay with me,

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Speaker 3: as firefighters are heard breaking down the door and a

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Speaker 2: Girls dead, and in that nine to one one call

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Speaker 2: you can hear his officers break down the door trying

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Speaker 2: to save the girls. Again. I'm Nancy Grace, and this

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Speaker 2: is crime stories. Thanks for being with us, But could

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Speaker 2: a mother actually murder both of her children as some

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Speaker 2: sort of revenge? This is what we know. Take a

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Speaker 2: listen to our friends at NBC four.

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Speaker 4: Young Blood was arrested after calling her ex husband and

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Speaker 4: leaving him a voicemail confessing and telling him she hated him.

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Speaker 4: Two days later, five year old Brooklyn was supposed to

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Speaker 2: With her father.

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Speaker 4: Prosecutors say young Blood killed the girls to prevent that. However,

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Speaker 4: the defense paints the father as abusive and can controlling,

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Speaker 4: partially why. The defense claims young Blood was driven into

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Speaker 4: major depressive disorder, the defense drawing attention to this moment

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Speaker 5: So your punishment should be what sure? Thank you dead penalty?

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Speaker 4: Young Blood seems to invite the death penalty, which Virginia

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Speaker 4: has since abolished.

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Speaker 2: With me it all Star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now. But first I want to

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Speaker 2: go out to senior editor for the Daily Wire at

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Speaker 2: Daily wire dot com ash short as, thank you for.

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Speaker 5: Being with us, Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Explain to me exactly how the children were killed.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, it was a completely tragic story, as she

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Speaker 5: shot her daughters so she shot her daughter, Brooklyn, who

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Speaker 5: was just five years old, in the head, and she

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Speaker 5: who was fifteen years old, in her chest and.

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Speaker 2: Her back with me is high profile lawyer joining us

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Speaker 2: out of Tampa, Steve uda Gowa. Steve, thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us. And Steve has tried so many cases,

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Speaker 2: but he was a major force in the prosecution of

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Speaker 2: Julie Schineker, a highly educated mom of two angry at

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Speaker 2: shooting both of the children. Steve uda Gowa, thank you

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Speaker 2: for being with us. Question to you, I think it's

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Speaker 2: very difficult for jurors, who probably relate to their own mothers,

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Speaker 6: I think it's very hard for anyone, not even a parent,

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Speaker 6: I think that was miss Scheneker's.

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Speaker 7: Avenue towards arguing that she must have been insane, so

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Speaker 7: therefore that's why she was not guilty of the crime.

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Speaker 7: Is that it's unfathomable for a parent to think that

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Speaker 2: Stevens. I recall you had many women on the jury,

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Speaker 2: Steve u Gawa, isn't it true Julie Shinaker shot her

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Speaker 7: That's correct. That's how I recall the evidence coming out

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Speaker 2: I got the breakdown for you. It's seven women, nine men,

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Speaker 2: on that, Karen Stark joining me, renowned psychologists joining us

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Speaker 2: out of Manhattan at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with

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Speaker 2: a seat. Karen, we project, even as gurrs, when we

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Speaker 2: swear we're going to be completely fair, completely rational, completely unbiased,

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Speaker 2: you can't help who you are. So when you hear

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Speaker 2: jury deliberation room, I could hear I could imagine you're saying, well,

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Speaker 2: I just can't believe a mother would kill their child.

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Speaker 8: But there's no doubt, Nancy. I mean, think about us.

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Speaker 8: It's really hard for us to comprehend. How could any mother,

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Speaker 8: to protect your children. That's what it feels like. But

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Speaker 8: commits philicide, which is killing your children, has no conscience

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Speaker 8: and they don't see their children as children. Their children

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Speaker 2: And that is not necessarily insanity, not at all. It's

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Speaker 2: cold blooded, but it's not insanity. I want to hear

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Speaker 9: Veronica Kazkuba was born and raised in Argentina. She has

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Speaker 9: described her childhood as violent. Kaskuba told friends her mother

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Speaker 9: with a belt, broomstick, or branch. To add to the

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Speaker 9: the adults in her life abandoned her and her younger sister.

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Speaker 9: She was all alone with no adult supervision in Buenos

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Speaker 9: and not long after, she met career Navy officer Ron Youngblood.

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Speaker 2: Straight back out to Ash a Short, senior editor Daily

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Speaker 2: wire dot Com, Ash again, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: So the mom in this scenario, Veronica young Blood has

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Speaker 2: detailed to police a very tough upbringing in Argentina, that

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Speaker 2: But somehow she meets Navy officer Ron Youngblood. I assume

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Speaker 2: and she has a baby girl named Brooklyn.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, here's a woman that you know, maybe

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Speaker 5: she had been abused. This is what we say. We

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Speaker 5: have no evidence to the contrary. Correct, And you know

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Speaker 5: you but you would think right just singing as a mother,

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Speaker 5: as you know anyone who has been around kids, that

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Speaker 5: if you had such an upbringing, that you wouldn't want

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Speaker 5: almost the opposite with young Blood. You know, she started

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Speaker 5: in a divorce from her husband. So what we find out,

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Speaker 5: what prosecutors alleged, is that before nine days before she

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Speaker 5: before she murdered them. So, you know, here's a woman

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Speaker 5: that that was cold and calculating. The prosecutor is called

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Speaker 5: her spiteful, selfish, vengeful, calculated, you know, all of these

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Speaker 5: things that you wouldn't expect from someone, you know, with

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Speaker 5: her upbringing, because like I said before, you would expect

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: To Robert Crispin joining US private investigator at Crispin's Special Investigations.

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Speaker 2: Former Federal Task Force officer with the DOJ, the DEA,

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Speaker 2: the Miami Field Division. Former Homicide and Crimes against Children investigator,

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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, thank you for being with us. How many

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Speaker 2: times have you caught a defendant a suspect dead in

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Speaker 2: the water? Red handed and they start with their sob

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Speaker 2: story about how they were abused as a child multiple.

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Speaker 10: Times, multiple times. Then the problem is, you know, people

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Speaker 10: utilized children as weapons in so many cases. In so

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Speaker 10: many cases, they weaponized the kids against the other, the

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Speaker 10: husband against the wife, the wife against the husband. It's

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Speaker 10: just relentless legal attacks, relentless accusations from lawyers against each other.

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Speaker 10: And these people just get to a point they snap.

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Speaker 10: There's no excuse for murder.

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Speaker 2: Well, did you say snap?

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Speaker 10: A snap?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you mean like snapped on oxygen?

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Speaker 10: No, I mean snap? Did someone?

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Speaker 2: Are you suggesting somehow that snap is a defense I

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Speaker 2: got mad and quote snapped because Steve u Degawa joining US,

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Speaker 2: high profile a lawyer out of Tampa. And there's no

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Speaker 2: such thing as I snapped. I snap about ten times

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Speaker 2: a day. But I don't murder anyone. That's not a

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Speaker 2: defense that it's basically I got mad and kill somebody.

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Speaker 10: It happens all the time.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean who is saying that? Is that

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Speaker 2: Chrispin or Steve?

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Speaker 7: Not Steve?

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Speaker 2: I mean, yes, thank you, Okay, Crispin, you have a

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Speaker 2: great reputation as a private investigator. Did you somehow get

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Speaker 10: No, not at all.

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Speaker 2: Okay, then let me put it very sweetly, shut your

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Speaker 2: pie hole. Okay, Steve Gawa, Yes, ma'am, Yes, Snap, Snap,

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Speaker 2: I snapped.

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Speaker 2: I've already snapped to Jackie about eight times this morning.

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Speaker 2: Sending your next Okay, Steve snapped is not a defense

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Speaker 2: under the law, regardless of what Robert Crispin, the private investigator,

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Speaker 7: Well, no, it's not a defense, but it could be

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Speaker 7: a basis for second degree murder if you wanted to

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Speaker 7: go for a lesser from first degree murder. My understanding

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Speaker 7: is that this crime is a murder with premeditation, you know,

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Speaker 7: the conscious intent to kill. So I think, and I

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Speaker 7: don't think that's what they argued in this case.

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Speaker 2: I hate to tell you this, but you are sounding

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Speaker 2: awfully like a lawyer. True when you said yeah, if

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Speaker 2: you say you got angry in quote snap, you could

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Speaker 2: argue second degree. Let's be clear, you know different jurisdictions

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Speaker 2: are different, so correct me if you think this is wrong.

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Speaker 2: First degree murder in many jurisdictions require some degree of calculation. However,

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Speaker 2: Is this Chrispin again? It is See I think I'm

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Speaker 12: Explain that snap defense to me would be you're arguing

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Speaker 2: Karen Start, Karen Stark, Karen Stark, psychologist.

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Speaker 2: Episode where I'm going to kill everybody and then myself

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Speaker 2: Back to Robert Crispin's misinterpretation of the law. I love

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Speaker 5: It's the husband. He's basically upset because the husband away

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Speaker 2: like to also point out that one out of three

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Speaker 2: women in the US, according to the National Coalition Against

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Speaker 2: Domestic Violence, have been a victim of domestic violence? Is

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Speaker 2: that true in this case of Ronicky young Blood. No

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Speaker 2: indication at all she had been abused in her marriage.

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Speaker 2: Nor Julie Shineker, who we are also focusing on. I

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Speaker 2: think I hear Karen start jumping Karen.

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Speaker 5: But it's manipulation.

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Speaker 8: Really, it's not about instantity at all, Nancy. They know

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Speaker 8: the differ between right and wrong. They're angry and they

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Speaker 8: manipulate the situation. They killed their children. Really, it's all

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Speaker 8: about revenge and anger.

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Speaker 2: I think I hear Crispin jumping in.

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Speaker 10: Go ahead, Robert, No, No, it wasn't jumping in. But

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Speaker 10: I totally agree with what everybody here saying and h

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Speaker 10: victimizing themselves.

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Speaker 5: I'm the victim.

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Speaker 10: I'm the victim.

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Speaker 11: This is Steve.

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Speaker 7: I just wanted to clarify with miss Schhenaker. She did

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Speaker 7: have a long history of mental health issues. She had

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Speaker 7: been hospitalized earlier, I don't want to say, probably ten

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Speaker 7: years before this incident, so there was documentation that she

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Speaker 7: did suffer from either bipolar disorder or depression. I thought

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Speaker 7: it was more on the grounds in the range of depression,

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Speaker 7: and that was one of the reasons why we came

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Speaker 7: off of the death penalty because miss Schhenaker we were

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Speaker 7: looking at originally at the death penalty for her, but

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Speaker 7: once you know, there was a lot of documented evidence.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you a lightning round, Steve Sure, lightning round? Yes, night.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that Julie Shinaker purchased the gun ahead

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Speaker 2: of time? Yes? Isn't it true that she murdered both

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Speaker 2: of her children while her husband was out of town,

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Speaker 2: no one was there to stop her.

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that Julie Shinaker murdered both children outside

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Speaker 2: the purview of any witness, one in the garage, one

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Speaker 2: upstairs in her bedroom.

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Speaker 5: Correct?

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Speaker 2: And isn't it true she kept a diary of what

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Speaker 2: she did?

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Speaker 7: That is true as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well bye by insanity defense exactly that was clearly

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Speaker 2: well thought out, you know. To doctor Jan Gorniac, renowned

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Speaker 2: medical examiner and joining us out of Vegas, Doctor Gorniac,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Have you ever handled

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Speaker 2: a case where a child was killed by their own mother?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 19: I have, and I had a similar case exactly like

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Speaker 19: they killed her kids and then ended up in a

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Speaker 19: different state. Going to the emergency room saying that you

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Speaker 19: wanted to kill herself too, but left her her kids

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Speaker 19: back in the house dead and then called the Kresdoon

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Speaker 19: boys she's driving.

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Speaker 2: Called the husband. She had the wherewithal to call the

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Speaker 2: husband and taught the husband with the knowledge that she

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Speaker 2: had killed the child, which goes toward a revenge killing.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you, as short joining us from the

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Speaker 2: Daily Wire ash in this case speaking of the father

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Speaker 2: the biodad being elsewhere and not there in the home.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that they had reached a divorce and everyone,

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Speaker 2: including the mom of Ronicky young Blood, was going they

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Speaker 2: were all going to move to Missouri. And then she,

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Speaker 2: Ronicky young Blood got a job and decided to stay

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Speaker 2: where they were in Fairfax County, Virginia. That's why the

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Speaker 2: husband was gone. Based on their mutual decision, the whole

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Speaker 2: family would move to Missouri absolutely.

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Speaker 5: And then she changed her mind. And then she used

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Speaker 5: that as her excuse to kill her kids and blame

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Speaker 5: her husband. And when we look at these cases, they're

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Speaker 5: really honest because Steve had meanted, you know, taking the

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Speaker 5: death penalty off of Sheneker. Well, that is another thing

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Speaker 5: that happens with women. You know, women received sixty men

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Speaker 5: receive sixty three percent longer sentences on average than women

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Speaker 5: for the same crime.

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Speaker 2: And so we see this in this case.

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Speaker 5: We see this over and over again with these women

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Speaker 5: who kill their children not getting the death penalty. There

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Speaker 5: have been women who've gotten the death penalty. I'm not

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Speaker 5: going to say none, but Gronika young Blood, well, she

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Speaker 5: hasn't been sent But we look at Susan Smith, Andrea Yates,

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Speaker 5: we look at Shenneker, no death penalty, life without parole

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Speaker 5: or you know, possibility of parole.

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Speaker 2: And look at Lauri Valo. Lauri Valo reportedly killed her

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Speaker 2: two children orchestrated several murders. She's a serial killer, and

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Speaker 2: the death penalty is off the table, you're right.

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Speaker 5: But the death penalty is not off the table for

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Speaker 5: her husband, who's charged with the same crime.

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Speaker 2: You're right, the death penalty has not been taken off

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Speaker 2: the table for the so called prophet Chad Dabail. Very

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Speaker 2: astute analysis.

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Speaker 10: Ash.

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Speaker 2: So we're hearing that the whole family had planned moved

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Speaker 2: to Missouri together even though they were getting a divorce

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Speaker 2: so they could co parent, and then as Veronica young Blood,

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Speaker 2: that reneges on the deal, and then the retaliation begins.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at crimeonline dot com

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Speaker 2: and our cut.

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Speaker 9: Five weeks after negotiating and settling the court case and

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Speaker 9: with the divorce case still pending, Veronica young Blood tossed

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Speaker 9: Rob's cell phone in a toilet, splashed water on his laptop,

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Speaker 9: and scratched his car. According to a motion filed by Ron,

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Speaker 9: Ron Youngblood obtained a family abuse protective order against Veronica

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Speaker 9: young Blood from the Fairfaks Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court.

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Speaker 9: Veronica was ordered out of the Oakton townhouse and to

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Speaker 9: stay at least five hundred feet away from Ron. With

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Speaker 9: the protective order still in place, the young Blood's divorce

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Speaker 9: was finalized.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy grace Well.

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Speaker 2: It sounds to me Ash Short joining us from Daily

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Speaker 2: wire dot Com that that TPO temporary protective order wasn't

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Speaker 2: really worth the paper it was printed on.

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Speaker 5: No, absolutely not, and that's usually the case. I'm surprised

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Speaker 5: he was able to get one at all. Usually willing

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Speaker 5: can get these like candy for a man. It doesn't

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Speaker 5: matter whether she violences or not. They're not going to

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Speaker 5: do anything. So I'm actually really shocked that he was

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Speaker 5: able to get that. But Of course it didn't matter

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Speaker 5: as he continued to do this.

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Speaker 2: Where were they shot on their body? Ash?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Sharon was in her chest and her back. She

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Speaker 5: ended up surviving fight when she called nine to one one.

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Speaker 5: She died later at a hospital. Brooklyn was a shot

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Speaker 5: in the head. She died at the scene. And remember

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Speaker 5: Brooklyn was just five years old.

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Speaker 2: Dodger gene gorniac. One child clearly suffered called nine one

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Speaker 2: one gasping for breath. The other died more instantly. But

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Speaker 2: what would the child have endured that tried to get

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Speaker 2: help to live? What were her last moments?

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Speaker 19: Oh, I can't only imagine how scary it was. She

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Speaker 19: even said I don't want to die. So obviously she

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Speaker 19: shot in the chest, most likely got her lung So

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Speaker 19: she's bleeding into her chest, having difficulty breathing, possibly asperating

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Speaker 19: or swallowing some of that blood back into her lungs

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Speaker 19: or into her stomach.

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Speaker 2: And this bear sheared terror.

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Speaker 19: And fear, and for her to have survived a couple

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Speaker 19: of days, she probably went into shock from a lot

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Speaker 19: of loss of blood.

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Speaker 2: So this is the woman that reportedly threw her husband's

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Speaker 2: cell phone into the commode three water on his laptop,

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Speaker 2: keyed his car, and now she's got the children. If

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Speaker 2: you don't believe in the prosecution's theory, I want you

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Speaker 2: to take a listen to Drew Wilder from NBC four.

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Speaker 4: In Our Cut seventeen, new video of Veronica young Blood's

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Speaker 4: interview with police and the hours after she shot and

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Speaker 4: killed her daughters, five year old Brooklyn and fifteen year

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Speaker 4: old Sharon. In the interview, Youngblood references her plan to

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Speaker 4: kill her daughters several times.

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Speaker 11: Bayadne, I'm kill my daugh is Henry so Toby a

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Speaker 11: gun and kill your daughters and yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Inside their McLean apartment. On August fifth, twenty eighteen, young

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Speaker 4: Blood's defense attorneys concede she shot and killed the girls.

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Speaker 4: Fifteen year old Sharon was still alive when police arrived,

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Speaker 4: and that officer testified quote she said her mom came

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Speaker 4: into the room and said, I'm going to take you

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Speaker 4: to see God and then shot her and more.

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Speaker 2: In Our Cut sixteen from WUSA nine.

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Speaker 18: What happened that night was crazy, Youngblood told jurors, I

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Speaker 18: lost control. She said Sharon was praying before she shot

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Speaker 18: her and said, Mommy, we're going to die tonight. Ron

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Speaker 18: youngblood told jurors of his own pain, how Brooklyn loved animals,

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Speaker 18: how he and Sharon made silly faces at a restaurant,

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Speaker 18: how Sharon made him a Father's Day collage he still

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Speaker 18: keeps as a screen saver on his phone. How he

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Speaker 18: built the girl's memorials in Shintilly and his hometown in Missouri.

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Speaker 18: Their inscribed children are true miracles too.

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Speaker 2: Robert Crispin, a private investigator joining us from Crispin Special Investigations,

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Speaker 2: Robert lost control. That's total BS technical legal term. She

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Speaker 2: went and bought the gun, according to her her words,

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Speaker 2: not ours, in order to kill her children. She did

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Speaker 2: not lose control. This was planned. This was not an

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Speaker 2: uncontrollable impulse. But how many times, Robert Crispin, in all

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Speaker 2: the cases you have investigated, which are many, many cases,

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Speaker 2: thousands of cases, does the purpose say, oh, I just

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Speaker 2: lost it, like that's going to somehow condone what they did.

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Speaker 2: I lost it.

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Speaker 5: That's the excuse that they use.

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Speaker 10: Nancy, it happens all the time. We hear it all

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Speaker 10: the time, But that's no justification for what they've done. Clearly,

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Speaker 10: there were so many systematic steps leading up to this homicide,

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Speaker 10: and I don't even think I would want to listen

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Speaker 10: to the nine one one tape of this fifteen year

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Speaker 10: old trying to catch her last breast, saying I don't

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Speaker 10: want to die. That has just got to be the

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Speaker 10: most gut wrenching nine one one And I can tell

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Speaker 10: you the dispatcher and the cops and responded to that

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Speaker 10: are still affected today. And if you don't think that

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Speaker 10: cops are affected by child crimes, they are for many,

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Speaker 10: many years.

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Speaker 2: A revenge killing, a double murder by a mom angry

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Speaker 2: at her husband. Take a listen to our cut fifteen

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Speaker 2: from Bruce La Sean.

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Speaker 18: Weeping loudly despite the medications she says she is taking

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Speaker 18: to control her emotions. Young Blood at her daughter's sleeping

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Speaker 18: pill gummies in twenty eighteen at her McLean apartment. Then

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Speaker 18: she shot Brooklyn in the head and Sharon in the

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Speaker 18: back and in the chest. Sharon was able to call

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Speaker 18: nine one one UNTELL first responders what her mother had done.

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Speaker 18: She died at the hospital. Veronica young Blood called her

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Speaker 18: ex after the shooting, leaving a message that she had

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Speaker 18: killed the girls and that she hated him.

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Speaker 2: Karen Stark, psychologist, that is clearly a revenge killing. That's

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Speaker 2: a revenge killing. After she murdered the girls, she calls

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Speaker 2: her husband say I hate you. I murdered your girls, and.

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Speaker 8: She blamed everything and continues to blame everything on him.

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Speaker 5: Nancy, it's his book that she did that.

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Speaker 8: She's not taking responsibility for her actionence and blaming everything.

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Speaker 8: That's so clearly revenge killing that I mean, this could

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Speaker 8: be a textbook case.

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Speaker 2: Short Senior Editor, Daily Wire, Isn't it true the whole

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Speaker 2: Missouri move was because the husband, Ronald young Blood, had

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Speaker 2: to move to Missouri.

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Speaker 5: And this is something that happened millions of times in

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Speaker 5: America and all around the world that you know, a

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Speaker 5: man gets a job and a woman is taking care

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Speaker 5: of the kid and they move. I think eyelight up

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Speaker 5: all over the country when I was a kid because

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Speaker 5: my father got another job. It's what you do. And

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Speaker 5: you know, young Blood decided, Ronica young Blood decided she

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Speaker 5: didn't want at the last minute, you didn't want to go,

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Speaker 5: and she got a job and she wanted to stay. So,

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is just something that happens million of

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Speaker 5: the times, and yet in this instance, she decided to

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Speaker 5: use this as yet more evidence to get revenge on

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Speaker 5: her husband, yet another reason to get revenge on him,

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Speaker 5: and she did. She killed her kids to prevent them

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Speaker 5: from moving with him.

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Speaker 2: Two girls, Dad, Brooklyn and Sharon, and robbed of everything,

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Speaker 2: their life, their future. No more proms, no more straight a's,

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Speaker 2: no more cheerleading, no more plans of a wedding one day,

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Speaker 2: of children themselves, of going to college. It's all over

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Speaker 2: in that one moment, A double revenge murder. Convicted, now

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Speaker 2: young blood furiously working on her appeal. Goodbye friend,