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Speaker 1: How could they get the date wrong? They're so worried

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Speaker 1: we know that on August seventeenth, he packed up and

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Speaker 1: he flew to Tampa, and the attorney saying that to

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Speaker 1: his knowledge, Brian and Gabby paid for the flight, and

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Speaker 1: that they came back because they were contemplating extending the

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Speaker 1: road trip, so they wanted to save some money. So

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Speaker 1: right after this moab moab Utah incident, they decide, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's go ahead and extend this cross country trip. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go fly back and close their storage units. And

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Speaker 1: then they reunited together on the twenty third. Wait wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: that's where you lost me right there. Let's save money

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Speaker 1: and extend our road trip by flying home and closing

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Speaker 1: up a storage unit. So somehow the twenty eight dollars

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Speaker 1: you're going to pay for a storage unit a month

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Speaker 1: saves you money, as opposed to a five hundred dollar

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Speaker 1: road trip ticket from Wyoming to Florida. That no, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I didn't get my NBA at Wharton, but I do

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Speaker 1: know that much. Could you explain to me what are

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Speaker 1: you saying? So I'll just redo this one sentence, The

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Speaker 1: attorney said, quote, Brian flew home to obtain some items

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Speaker 1: and empty and close the storage unit to save money

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Speaker 1: as they contemplated extending the road trip. We're Gabby's belongings

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Speaker 1: in that we're Gabby's belongings in that storage unit. I

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Speaker 1: wonder the assumption would be that it was the items

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Speaker 1: from both of them. But I can get clarification for you. Okay,

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00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: let me understand what's happening. Schary. I'm gonna call. I'm

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00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: sure you've got to spend on it. Go ahead, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: you already brought up a major point that you're going

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Speaker 1: to spend five hundred dollars to save eighty bucks. It

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Speaker 1: makes no sense. And then they claimed again they were

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Speaker 1: sharing expenses. Well, they were sharing expenses right up until

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Speaker 1: she died, because then he used her debit card only deadbeat,

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Speaker 1: Why didn't he use all that money? He saved exactly.

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Speaker 1: It's not true. Nothing they say is the truth. Nothing.

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Speaker 1: Let's analyze this is her van, her van, her laptop. Yep,

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Speaker 1: she's the one that saved up money for the trip.

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Speaker 1: After she's dead and lying out under a tree and

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Speaker 1: the Teton Wilderness. He uses her debit card multiple times,

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Speaker 1: knowing she's laying out dead, decomposing. I mean, how do

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Speaker 1: you fix yourself to do that? Doctor, Bethany Marshall. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to give you one more try here and hopefully

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Speaker 1: I can hear you this time. How do you whip

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Speaker 1: out your dead girlfriend's debit card and use it? What

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00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: to go to McDonald's. I mean, how does that work?

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00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: And that mind? It happened to me once when my

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Speaker 1: late husband died the cancer. One of his debot cards

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Speaker 1: was missing, and I later found out that a family

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Speaker 1: member was using it, and it was devastating. And this

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Speaker 1: happens more than you think after somebody dies, that the

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Speaker 1: debit card is used, Nancy, Brian Landry doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: cause and effect thinking. He doesn't think anybody's really looking

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Speaker 1: at him. He thinks he can act with impunity. I

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Speaker 1: know why he went back to empty out the sporage facility.

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Speaker 1: There was evidence of his abusing her for a long

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Speaker 1: long time. I'm sure there were diaries. I'm sure there

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Speaker 1: were notes of calling friends, there were computers, there was electronics,

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Speaker 1: an electronic trail. This abuse did not happen overnight. It

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Speaker 1: didn't happen when the Moab police pulled them over. This

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Speaker 1: was just the tip of the missery ice per cramp.

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Speaker 1: So he had to scramble, and he didn't have enough

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Speaker 1: money to scramble, so he started using her money. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you're right about that. I wanna confirm something, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead. Sorry, storage units have excellent video as well.

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00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: They've got surveillance twenty four seven, So that again should

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Speaker 1: be easy for law enforcement to ascertain whether or not

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Speaker 1: that happened, Nancy. And that showed a deliberate premeditation to

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Speaker 1: what would happen after he returned to Moab. What do

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Speaker 1: you mean, well, I mean if he came back to

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Speaker 1: destroy evidence knowing that he was going to kill her,

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Speaker 1: that would be an excellent time to do that. If

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Speaker 1: you subscribe to what we just discussed, I don't know

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Speaker 1: that it was a premi meditated plan to hill. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and so that allows plenty of time to organize your

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Speaker 1: departure and to set up a safe house. Let me

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Speaker 1: understand something Master said. I want to confirm Gabby was

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Speaker 1: seen alive when they checked out of the hotel in Utah. Correct,

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Speaker 1: and that was after the storage unit incident. Correct? That

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Speaker 1: is correct? Alive August twenty seventh. Yes, the storage incident

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00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: happened about a week before. Yet, so I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: figure that whole thing out. I guarantee it was not

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Speaker 1: to save money. That's not true, because flying back and

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Speaker 1: forth did not save money. There's another reason he came

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Speaker 1: home to clean out that storage unit. Got a big

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Speaker 1: question for anybody that can answer if police were employing

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Speaker 1: a sting ray device right now to try to catch

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Speaker 1: an alleged burner phone the laundries are using If would

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Speaker 1: that be obvious? Who can explain what a sting ray

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00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: device looks like? Dale here, it looks like a small computer,

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Speaker 1: and what it's used to do is to emulate a

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Speaker 1: cell phone tower, so they get near a phone, your

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00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: phone picks up that's the closest tower it links to it.

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Speaker 1: From that, you can determine specific locations of people, and

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Speaker 1: they're allowed under general federal law to do that without

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Speaker 1: a warrant. The problem arises when you're actually listening to

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Speaker 1: the transmissions. When that happens, of course, you have to

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Speaker 1: have a title free, which is a federal search work

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Speaker 1: to have our chap to actually listen in. So my

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Speaker 1: point is, if they were using a sting ray, let's

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Speaker 1: just say not like you see in the movies where

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Speaker 1: there's always a Keystone cop sitting out in a car

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Speaker 1: near the location and the target sees them and it's

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Speaker 1: a big joke and they order them pizza. No, this

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Speaker 1: would be the FEDS and a vehicle and marked vehicle,

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Speaker 1: not a black suv. Yeah, with the sting ray in

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Speaker 1: the car, you can't see it. It's not some big,

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00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,959
Speaker 1: huge object. It's basically a mobile and easy to use

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Speaker 1: cell tower. But what that would mean is, since we've

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Speaker 1: all been talking about burner phones and sting rays, the

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Speaker 1: parents in order to escape that avoid that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we know the dad is coming out of the house

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, like two am to

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Speaker 1: get the mail. So they're on to everyone. They're smart,

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00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: they know everything we're talking about. So in order to

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Speaker 1: make it burner phone work, they got to leave the

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Speaker 1: house and go somewhere away from the location to avoid

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Speaker 1: a sting ray hit. They would have to leave the

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Speaker 1: premises in order to avoid the sting ray tech. Nancy,

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Speaker 1: that was a camping trip. I'm telling you the camping

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Speaker 1: trip was for planning, plotting in getting their story straight.

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Speaker 1: And let me let me go back to the storage

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Speaker 1: unit one more time, because I don't think I made

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Speaker 1: myself clear. I do not believe he went to the

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Speaker 1: storage unit on the seventeenth. I believe he went to

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Speaker 1: a storage unit once he returned the second time on

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Speaker 1: the seventeenth. I believe he flew home because after he

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00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: talked to his parents about the police involvement, they brought

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00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: him home and then he went back. Okay, explain that

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00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: one more time. Jackie was signaling something, go ahead. What

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00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: I think he went to the storage unit after he

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00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: returned on September first to get camping gear. Think about it.

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00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: This is your home that you grew up in. You

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00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: already have your stuff. Gabby moves in with you there,

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00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: y'all been living there a year. What do you need

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Speaker 1: a storage unit for. You're going to come home in

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00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: four months and go right back to living there. The

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00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: storage unit would be things that wouldn't fit in that house.

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00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: I believe it was tenths and cots and rafts and

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00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: things of that nature. That's why I think he went

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Speaker 1: to the storage unit. So there's some truth that he

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00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: did go to storage to clean himself out, but it

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00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: was not to save money. It was to get his gear. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about the most recent developments in the

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00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: search the manhunt for Brian Laundry. Gabbie Petito's appearance insists

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Speaker 1: he is alive and hiding. There are still are there not.

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00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: Moss Societe searchers at Carlton Reserve very small. We go

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00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: out there every day and yesterday we didn't spot anyone.

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Speaker 1: But if we see anybody, it's about like a handful

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Speaker 1: of what appears to be law enforcement officials on the

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Speaker 1: ground on an airboat with a K nine searching the

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Speaker 1: swamp area. If you have information or think you have information,

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Speaker 1: it's even now more critical because the timeline has changed.

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Speaker 1: Please one eight hundred call FBI one eight hundred two

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Speaker 1: to five five three two four. As has been pointed

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Speaker 1: out by experts, Brian Laundry has managed to ghost to

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Speaker 1: us for twenty three days with a major head start,

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,