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Speaker 1: I'm Katherine Cowdery. The global rally continues on Wall Street,
Speaker 1: where the SMP five Foundered is posting its strongest two
Speaker 1: day climb in four months. Tension is easing over the
Speaker 1: impact of a UK exit from the European Union. Energy
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Speaker 1: West Texas Center Media crude oil up at dollar seventy
Speaker 1: four a barrel three point six percent at sixty spot
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Speaker 1: with the yield of one point of forty six sixty three.
Speaker 1: And that's a Bloomberg Business flash show where you Kathleen
Speaker 1: Bloomberg jaking stock to the Fed in the focus. Interest
Speaker 1: rates start to row for where the economy is going.
Speaker 1: The question is how much higher should it be FED
Speaker 1: to increase the fasset? Yes, and in doing so it
Speaker 1: has increased its liability. Keeping interest rates at zero for
Speaker 1: a long time is not going to cause emploation to
Speaker 1: go up. It's very controversial. I think what we need
Speaker 1: to do is find a way for the FED to
Speaker 1: integrate its policy and think more about its impact on
Speaker 1: the world. The Fed in focus on Bloomberg Radio, forget December,
Speaker 1: forget next year. The Fed's done hiking until eighteen. So
Speaker 1: reads the headline on a terrific story on the bloom
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Today and on Bloomberg Dot Calm by Liz Copple McCormick.
Speaker 1: She specializes in the bond market. And Matt Bosler, who
Speaker 1: is part of our feder Reserve Reporting team here in
Speaker 1: New York is not hiking rates enough. Should the Fed
Speaker 1: even be cutting them as well? Let's put this question
Speaker 1: to our next guest, now, Rihanna, Culture Lakota joins us now.
Speaker 1: He is the former head of the Minneapolis feder Reserve Bank.
Speaker 1: He's a bloomberg of you, calumnus, and he's going to
Speaker 1: explain his latest column to us. Now. Rihanna, welcome back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for Kathleen. It's my pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1: So let's start with Brexit, because we've got the stock
Speaker 1: market up for three days in a row. People, the
Speaker 1: markets need to be shaking this off. If Brexit is
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why the Fed should be more stimulative,
Speaker 1: not high grades, maybe cut them, maybe go to negative rates,
Speaker 1: as you argued in this in this great piece, is
Speaker 1: it really so necessary? Now? You know, I think that's
Speaker 1: a great question. But I saw Brexit as um merely
Speaker 1: just one example of a large more uncertainties that are
Speaker 1: facing the United States economy as we move forward the
Speaker 1: next three or four years. Um. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that how the negotiations unfold, how um uh, Europe and
Speaker 1: Britain engaging each other, um over the next two three
Speaker 1: years as they as they talk about what brexits going
Speaker 1: to actually mean. I think there's gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of uncertainties associated with that, both for the UK economy
Speaker 1: and perhaps even more meaningfully for the for the European economy.
Speaker 1: But there's other questions that are on the table as well,
Speaker 1: questions about about China, about emerging markets. All those uncertainties
Speaker 1: UM mean that I think the FETCH should really be
Speaker 1: best served by UH. That combined with the fact I
Speaker 1: should say that the FET faces some constraints in terms
Speaker 1: of ability to react to those kinds of contingencies if
Speaker 1: they do emerge, UH means that the FETCH betaing at
Speaker 1: some insurance today by UM at their next meeting, by
Speaker 1: cutting raids when what's the likelihood of that. We got
Speaker 1: the consumer spending numbers the strongest two months since two
Speaker 1: thousand nine. Now, granted that their key inflation games, that
Speaker 1: PC deflator year over a year went from one point
Speaker 1: oh to point nine, so it's even further away from
Speaker 1: the FEDS two percent target. I didn't the UH, So
Speaker 1: I've been discovering with what I would refer the FED
Speaker 1: to do UM that I I don't anticipate that is
Speaker 1: pretty to be too likely on the FENS agenda and
Speaker 1: in July. That is, I don't anticipate that they would
Speaker 1: be thinking about cutting rates in July. I've been disappointed.
Speaker 1: I have to say, to what extent um the increase
Speaker 1: in December is treated as a given um in in
Speaker 1: feder Reserve communications. I I think that that makes it
Speaker 1: much harder to raise rates if you treat every move
Speaker 1: you've made as being something that's semi semi permanent nature um.
Speaker 1: Because if you if you ever raise rates, that means
Speaker 1: that you're stuck with it, and then that means you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to be very deliberative about any process of
Speaker 1: raising rates. But I actually think they get there faster
Speaker 1: if they were more willing to cut and uh. But
Speaker 1: everything we've heard from them is that what they're thinking
Speaker 1: about is as the most stimulaive policy they can think
Speaker 1: of is not is uh. At least we've heard so
Speaker 1: far is simply standing paths. I want you to elaborate
Speaker 1: on that point, because you state that in your latest piece,
Speaker 1: but it's something you have written and talked about more extensively,
Speaker 1: because I think maybe just people don't quite hear what
Speaker 1: you're saying, which is, if you really want to start
Speaker 1: hiking rates, FED get the economy going and get in
Speaker 1: a position where it needs to have rate hikes. And
Speaker 1: it's not a big question, but you you're saying, you
Speaker 1: can't do that unless you ease and stimulate more first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that if we ease further now, and we
Speaker 1: and the FED was actually clearer about the package of
Speaker 1: tools that has this available in in the case of
Speaker 1: of adverse shocks, I think that businesses and households we
Speaker 1: feel a for spending now, and that would get the
Speaker 1: economy going again. Um. But beyond that, I think I
Speaker 1: think right now that the FIT has been communicating that
Speaker 1: every interest rate hike that they're going to think about
Speaker 1: is going to be semi permanent. Nature will take it
Speaker 1: a very extreme event to move away from that. Any
Speaker 1: If you think about any decision you want to make,
Speaker 1: if you're free to change it, you're going to be
Speaker 1: more likely to make it. If you're free to If
Speaker 1: it's stuck forever, you're not able to do it, then
Speaker 1: you're so. And I think it's been a problem for
Speaker 1: the FED that they've been communiating that that move we
Speaker 1: made in December. That's stuck. We're never gonna undo it.
Speaker 1: Um bari cataph last. When I go shopping, I only
Speaker 1: buy from stores. Will let me return things, should be
Speaker 1: able to say myself. Great example, real quick though, Jeroan
Speaker 1: Paul fedboard governor is looking at financial conditions tightening, saying
Speaker 1: that's now a big, big part of how that FED
Speaker 1: makes a decision. Will that maybe help the move toward
Speaker 1: a rate cut? I was writing, what you say, financial
Speaker 1: condition and tightening bigger part of the equation for the FED.
Speaker 1: I think that the financial conditions are certainly something their
Speaker 1: continued track by ster Dudley uh thinks about talks about
Speaker 1: that a fair amount. And again, what we've heard from
Speaker 1: them is that that's gonna make them less likely to
Speaker 1: raise rates. I haven't heard anything that indicates that they're
Speaker 1: gonna that's gonna make them like that. He cut as
Speaker 1: sooner July Now, Riana cultural Lakota, thank you so very
Speaker 1: much for joining me today. He's form ahead of the
Speaker 1: Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis. He's a Lionel W. Mackenzie
Speaker 1: professor of economics at the University of Rochester and of
Speaker 1: Bloomberg gew columns. This is taking stock on Bloomberg Radio.
Speaker 1: The third year Treasury bond continues to rally. The yield
Speaker 1: is down to two point to six percent. How low
Speaker 1: can it go? Kevin get us from Raymond James up
Speaker 1: next to Bloomberg Radio.