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Speaker 2: we have got more information for you today than you

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody have a gun?

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Speaker 2: to be joined by Lauren Chanelle Allen for a lengthy,

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Speaker 2: in depth conversation on NFT's the blockchain crypto. If you

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Speaker 2: are like me, someone who does not enjoy people talking

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Speaker 2: A lot of good conversation around the optimistic future as well.

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Speaker 2: As the limits of that future and the technology that

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Speaker 2: to Lauren, we have to talk about DeMar DeRozan Compton

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Speaker 2: High School making history with back to back game winners

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Speaker 2: but someone on Twitter said, the first time in NBA

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Speaker 2: history someone made back to back game winners. Tyler, what

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Speaker 2: did this do for you emotionally to see demorrow? I

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Speaker 2: mean they were crazy fucking shots too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were fucking ridiculous shots, you know, first and foremost,

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Speaker 2: Demar'sen having a hell of a season.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a hot take to say he's

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Speaker 2: I feel like, Bro, can we put him in that

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Speaker 3: You look at his numbers, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: He deserves some MVP nods based up on what we've

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Speaker 2: I'm still excited to see someone who's doing this his

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Speaker 4: You didn't want you. You thought I wasn't as value

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Speaker 2: For sure. I see him at the Drew Bro. You

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Speaker 2: Damar biz the Compton Heights School basketball team which I cover,

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Speaker 2: So a discussion for another day. Discussion for another day, yes,

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Speaker 4: But also I think Lamar isn't having the season he's

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Speaker 2: All Right, Stay tuned for our interview with Lauren Chanelle Allen.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we're very excited to welcome on our special

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Speaker 2: guests for the week, Lauren Chanelle Allen, better known as

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Speaker 2: Michelle Hucks on Twitter and Instagram. Viral sensation from the

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Speaker 2: which let me throw that up. I laughed, honestly for

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Speaker 2: far enough. Next year I will focus on being beautiful,

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Speaker 4: That was a heater, didn't get enough love, as love,

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Speaker 5: The hit the impacted community, not beautiful people.

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Speaker 1: So today I got the edges attack.

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Speaker 1: What I will do is the brilliant and ugly.

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Speaker 2: So Lauren is the perfect guest to have on to

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Speaker 2: talk about this subject. John has been super into researching

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Speaker 2: and learning more about NFTs this week, and we have

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Speaker 2: actually talk about real information behind this without selling a

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Speaker 2: dream of We're going to take down the Fed tomorrow

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Speaker 2: by doing this stuff.

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Speaker 4: This motherfucker, Mike Bro he called me an anti vaxer.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. I did not call you.

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Speaker 2: I did not call you. I did. I got hitting

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Speaker 2: it in the group. I was like, you never had

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Speaker 4: John, That is not smart and it is a bad analogy.

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Speaker 4: My damn, my niggas, listen, listen, Gate keep the information.

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Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. I share and I share I

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Speaker 2: share with Lauren before you guys hopped on that because

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Speaker 2: of my friends and the impact that some of this

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Speaker 2: has been the spread information, let people make the decision

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Speaker 2: mis information, which is why I'm very happy we have Lorna.

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Speaker 2: My point was, you can't spread information in a vacuum,

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Speaker 2: and there is no doubt and maybe this is a

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Speaker 2: good starting point that there are white tech bro NFT

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Speaker 2: evangelists who benefit from an inflated temporary interest in the

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Speaker 2: financial side of this, who are going to be fucking

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Speaker 2: thrilled that we are talking about this subject to a

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Speaker 2: black audience. That's a separate conversation from the artistic and

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Speaker 2: technological value of NFTs, but it is to me a

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Speaker 2: real world conversation. So you seem to be perfectly positioned

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Speaker 2: to actually talk about all sides of this, Lauren and

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Speaker 2: I will shut up and turn the microphone over to you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think that's a great, great intro.

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Speaker 2: And I've talked We've talked about this on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: I had a Twitter account because I had to for

438
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Speaker 2: work and I was not on it, and then I

439
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Speaker 2: followed Tyler and now I have a ten hour a

440
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Speaker 2: week Twitter addiction and have four ten years plus. Right Like,

441
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Speaker 2: Twitter has made, however, much money off of selling ads

442
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Speaker 2: to me, and they have not given any of that

443
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Speaker 2: money to Tyler. So one of the goals of decentralization

444
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Speaker 2: is a more just distribution of where the funds generated

445
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Speaker 2: are going to. You acknowledge on your starting point page

446
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Speaker 2: that you know that hasn't happened yet. We're not at

447
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Speaker 2: that point yet. I love from a philosophical perspective those

448
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 2: goals of decentralization, but I am a full on cynical

449
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: person generally, and the path that will go from where

450
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Speaker 2: we are now to that world, I don't personally know

451
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Speaker 2: what that looks like. You are much smarter about this,

452
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Speaker 2: if you're much more educated by this stuff than I am.

453
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Speaker 2: What do you think that would look like? And how

454
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Speaker 2: much aside from the philosophical optimism, how much sort of

455
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Speaker 2: like real world hope do you have for ten years

456
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Speaker 2: from now we have you back on the podcast and

457
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Speaker 2: we're talking about a very different Web three world as

458
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Speaker 2: far as social media and creators and everything.

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Speaker 1: That's tough. Great, it's a great That's the big question.

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Speaker 5: It honestly is like, it's like, Okay, this is all

461
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Speaker 5: a great idea, how do we make it happen?

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Speaker 2: Well me, and let me just add really quick, because

463
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Speaker 2: that's not an entirely fair question. I'm not suggesting that

464
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Speaker 2: the technology is not worthwhile if it does not solve

465
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Speaker 2: institutional racism, et cetera in America, because otherwise we would

466
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Speaker 2: never do anything. Nothing is going to solve all the

467
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 2: problems we have. If it moves us ten percent towards

468
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: Tyler getting paid for the money that Jack Dorsey is

469
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Speaker 2: generating from his content, that's a huge movement. I'm just

470
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Speaker 2: asking about even moving at the one What do you

471
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Speaker 2: think that would look like?

472
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Speaker 1: I think a great.

473
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Speaker 5: Example of the direction it's going and where it could

474
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Speaker 5: be in ten years and should be. Is what actually

475
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Speaker 5: just happened a month is ago with E N S.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys? N S is n S is the

477
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Speaker 1: ethereum name such service.

478
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Speaker 5: How that's the right, But it's something like that if

479
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Speaker 5: you know how on Twitter you'll see you'll see Michelle hugs.

480
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Speaker 2: Dot eth Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

481
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Speaker 1: Are are the are the n S names?

482
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Speaker 5: And so anybody who purchased an n S name so

483
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Speaker 5: blank blank dot eth, we're then air op coins.

484
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Speaker 1: So I get so exciteds how to start to talk

485
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Speaker 1: over here? Because it is really cool. So let me

486
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Speaker 1: set over n S. It's the coolt things happened. I'm

487
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Speaker 1: not over yet, Okay. E N S is like cash app.

488
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Speaker 5: Let's say you can have a cash app handle, right,

489
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Speaker 5: it's a dollar.

490
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Speaker 2: Sign hugs whatever.

491
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Speaker 5: At me, pay me some money. But so I also

492
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Speaker 5: have that. So I have I have, I have, I

493
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Speaker 5: have Michelle hucks dot e cool strictly because I have

494
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Speaker 5: a handle. Only because I had a handle. There's nothing

495
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Speaker 5: else I did. E N S re rewarded me with coins.

496
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Speaker 5: I got like one hundred pints of something like that

497
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Speaker 5: I forget how many coins I got. It ended up

498
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Speaker 5: being worth over over five thousand dollars.

499
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Speaker 1: Is this what coins were? These E N S N

500
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Speaker 1: s create their own coin CA Okay, so.

501
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Speaker 4: It's not ethereum, it's not you know, bitcoin, it's a

502
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 4: totally difference, not those It's a Again, it's like.

503
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Speaker 5: If cash apps said, everybody has a handle, here's some

504
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 5: cash app tokens, and these tokens have value, that's all.

505
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 5: And that to me is the future of web three

506
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 5: where these platforms Instagram, Twitter, in the future understand the

507
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Speaker 5: value of their their users and are going to give

508
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Speaker 5: them actual financial compensation for just being part of it.

509
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Speaker 5: And that's a very simple example, but to me it's

510
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Speaker 5: the best one because I didn't I was expecting it.

511
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Speaker 1: I didn't know what was happening. I got a a

512
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Speaker 1: dot eath address because I was told, hey, try try

513
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Speaker 1: it out. I was like, sure, I'll try it out.

514
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Speaker 5: Whatever, And then I think a year after that it

515
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 5: wasn't like overnight, but year after that, this air drop

516
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 5: happened and everybody's like, what the fuck you can do this?

517
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Speaker 3: Like like you know what I mean.

518
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Speaker 5: It's like because because these platforms have so much money,

519
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 5: and it's just that I don't know if I'm explaining

520
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 5: it well, but like, to me, that's the future is

521
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Speaker 5: that in web three the users are valuable.

522
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Speaker 1: You know, on Twitter, I don't feel valuable Instagram.

523
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Speaker 2: On Twitter that do something called super follower.

524
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Speaker 4: They allow you to be a super follower and you

525
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: can get paid by your followers. But Twitter is still

526
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 4: making a ton of money and they're not paying the

527
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Speaker 4: people who are growing the platform.

528
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Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, you and Tyler whatnot?

529
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Speaker 2: You feel me? And John? You're being very modest. I'm

530
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: saying no, you know like I used to either to

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Speaker 2: I mean, I get on there, you know. So I'm

532
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Speaker 2: I'm honestly maybe two years ago you feel me a

533
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Speaker 2: year ago. Still I'm an old man now, you know.

534
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Speaker 4: What i mean.

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Speaker 1: Even with Twitter super follows, I'm still and this is

536
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Speaker 1: this is what everybody think.

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Speaker 3: Tyler, Tyler, do you have access to that yet? I mean,

538
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Speaker 3: I'm sure I probably could do it, but I don't

539
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Speaker 3: think I would.

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Speaker 1: The reason is what I'm about to say.

541
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Speaker 5: The reason I don't like the super follow idea and

542
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 5: stuff is like I'm I personally, I'm not trying to take.

543
00:27:54,040 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: Money from my community, Yes, exactly what wipe three is to.

544
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 5: Meet where it's like these powerful places understand that I

545
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 5: bring value to the platform and that they're rewarding me

546
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 5: for that. Like I don't want you guys paying me.

547
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Speaker 5: I want rich white people to facts Exactly.

548
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Speaker 4: I'm wondering like the things that I think are really

549
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: interesting about that I've researched, like or listened to podcasts

550
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 4: or whatever. It's like, you know, when it comes to

551
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 4: like smart contracts, where you know, say so blue to Gray,

552
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 4: he's an actual artist, So he's not just making fucking

553
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: apes that look like basic ass fucking clip art, you

554
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 4: know what I mean. He's an actual artist that you know,

555
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 4: you know, grew ian it was was was broke for

556
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: a while on that artist grind. Now it's making good

557
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 4: money and things like that. Might sellers art for like

558
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 4: ten five, ten, maybe fifteen K. Recently just sold a

559
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Speaker 4: piece on as n FT one of a kind and

560
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 4: it went for like fifty some thousand.

561
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Speaker 2: What I really love.

562
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Speaker 4: About that is that probably bought that shit was probably

563
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: one of the rich white guys we were talking about,

564
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 4: and he was gonna flip that motherfucker for once more.

565
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Speaker 4: But because of the smart contract and written in the programming,

566
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Speaker 4: there will be you know, like Blueta Gray has to

567
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 4: get some of that money as it's flipped by rich

568
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Speaker 4: people who are using his work to flex on other

569
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Speaker 4: rich people, you know what I'm saying exactly, And so

570
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Speaker 4: like these are the things with that I feel like,

571
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Speaker 4: I don't know if digital art is like you said,

572
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 4: we talked about this on the phone and you're saying

573
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Speaker 4: this is like the least most interesting part of NFTs

574
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: to you.

575
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: It might not be it.

576
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Speaker 4: And you know what I'm saying, I like it for creators,

577
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: but it might not be it as far as a

578
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 4: rich get rich king. But the concepts to me are

579
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Speaker 4: what's powerful and important. We didn't have a lot of

580
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 4: artist friends who sell their shit to rich white people,

581
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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, for like four K, and

582
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Speaker 4: then that person sells that motherfucker for ten K or

583
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 4: fifteen K, and they never see any of that money,

584
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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying afterwards when they're the creator,

585
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

586
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Speaker 2: So I think, like the concepts are beautiful, you know.

587
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like smart contracts.

588
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 5: The idea behind them is even after the first transaction transaction,

589
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Speaker 5: I purchase X from this person. If that person wants

590
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 5: to raise silid, I can put it in the contract. Okay, cool,

591
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 5: I get fifteen percent.

592
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: Or whatever it is.

593
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 5: And again it's the idea that the creator should constantly

594
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 5: benefit from their creation. Something else I really enjoy about

595
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 5: this idea smart contracts is he is creators the creators

596
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 5: in the future, what we won't have to do what

597
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Speaker 5: we do, which is try to appeal to everybody and

598
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 5: hope I get ten percent of that to invest in me.

599
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 5: You all you need is that one person who understands

600
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 5: the value of what you're creating, to say, you know what,

601
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Speaker 5: this is worth however much, because that's what's happening.

602
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Speaker 1: With apes kind to me, I would never spend over

603
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Speaker 1: a dollar.

604
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 5: Dollar okay, but there is one person out there who.

605
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Speaker 1: Says, know what, to me, that's worth this. It's it's

606
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: and I think it creates.

607
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 5: It creates a more intimate relationship between the creator and

608
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Speaker 5: the purchaser or whoever. Again, in theory in the future,

609
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Speaker 5: I don't think we're here right now. It's possibly a

610
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 5: it's possibly head in a different direction. But I'll also

611
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 5: say the n f T space and the crypto space

612
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 5: are very very different. So like the crypto space is

613
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Speaker 5: like a hold by the dip, you know, like thoughts

614
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Speaker 5: and I'm like any of that stuff.

615
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Speaker 1: Really I'm dabbled, but.

616
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 5: Like I'm I can't be like, oh, you should get

617
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 5: this coin and I don't know that stuff, and those

618
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 5: people are very scammy to me.

619
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Speaker 2: Those they are you know, it's not just you and

620
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Speaker 2: I know that stuff pretty well. And that's that's that's

621
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Speaker 2: what I think. They are different. You're absolutely right there

622
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: different obviously, but I do see similarities. And that was

623
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Speaker 2: sort of what I was going to ask. Is like bitcoin,

624
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: the idea of decentralizing from World Bank, from the Fed,

625
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: from you know, returning financial power more so to individual people.

626
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: There's an obvious philosophical appeal of that. However, there's also

627
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: you know that you run into the way things apply

628
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: in the real world. And you know, I think a

629
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: thousand people own about half of bitcoin, and it is

630
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: a pump and dump scam of I'm going to say

631
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: something about, wow, hey, bitcoin just signed a new deal

632
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: with I forget what country in South America is going

633
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: to use it as a currency. Great, the value goes up.

634
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: These people can then sell at a high rate. People

635
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: they don't because it's they don't have to disclose that

636
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: they sold it. They can then do a press conference

637
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: and say we're actually having some real trouble with the

638
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: technology that's that's underlying the bitcoin. The value plummets, real

639
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: world people right lose their money. The people then can say, Okay,

640
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 2: I cashed out at one hundred, so I made a

641
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: million dollars. Now the value went down to fifty, I'm

642
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: going to buy twice as much as I just owned

643
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Speaker 2: with the million dollars that I made. Like that, that's

644
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: the That's where I run into the sort of my

645
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: own cynicism. I guess about at the we've been saying

646
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: the rich white people. We said rich white people. We

647
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: can say Twitter, the market cap, you can say whatever

648
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: you want to say. Those people still have all the money.

649
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: Very true.

650
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Speaker 2: So my cynicism and life experience to some extent just

651
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: makes me feel like they're not going to give that

652
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: up because we've created an interesting new technology.

653
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Speaker 1: It's a fantastic point, it really is.

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Speaker 5: I had a cool exchange on crypto where I bought

655
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Speaker 5: a coin at like half a cent if that or whatever,

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Speaker 5: and I put in like one hundred dollars and at

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Speaker 5: the end of the week I had like eight hundred bucks.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I get it. This is

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Speaker 1: how you scam people. I was like.

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Speaker 5: I was like, no, I get it now, because it's like,

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Speaker 5: if you have money, you can get more money. I

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Speaker 5: don't like that, Like that is not okay, you know

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Speaker 5: what I mean, Like like, had I put.

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Speaker 2: In a had eight hundred millions, right, don't even talk

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Speaker 2: about that, you know. It's just like, okay, I get

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Speaker 2: and that And that was the what I would say

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Speaker 2: is sort of the trap that I mentioned before. I

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Speaker 2: have a lot of friends who don't look like me

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Speaker 2: who got three thousand bucks two thousand bucks off of

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Speaker 2: stimulus check. They're seeing people and I would say this,

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Speaker 2: I mentioned this to John. They're seeing people like John

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Speaker 2: who are maybe more educated, people who are more people

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Speaker 2: who are up on trends and stuff like that, talking

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Speaker 2: about oh I'm doing this with crypto, not that John

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Speaker 2: you were specifically, I know, but the people that are

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Speaker 2: sort of like exactly, we're just speaking too, right. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 2: they're seeing people that have moved into law, but they're

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Speaker 2: seeing people that have moved into Long Beach, not the

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Speaker 2: people who grew up in Long Beach. Does that make sense? Okay,

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00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: they're seeing those people saying, Okay, I made this money

681
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Speaker 2: off crypto, and they are the ones being pumped and dumped.

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Speaker 2: They are the ones going, I got two thousand bucks.

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Speaker 2: I'm buying in it's a hundred. But look it went

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Speaker 2: from fifty to one hundred over the last month. So

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Speaker 2: if it goes from one hundred to two hundred, right,

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Speaker 2: and then instead it goes the other way because they're

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Speaker 2: being I'm not gonna say scam, not related scam, but

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Speaker 2: they're being manipulated one hundred percent. So that's the yeah, that's.

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Speaker 5: My yeah, And I think I think that's why on

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Speaker 5: on my book, on my website, on on on any Twitter.

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Speaker 5: The threat I do in any condition I have, I

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Speaker 5: always sarted with with NFTs and it's not crypto because

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Speaker 5: you know, like I I the crypto world, I don't

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Speaker 5: do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not that person. I don't have any

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Speaker 1: piece in it. The only inside I have is people

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Speaker 1: are being scanned.

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Speaker 5: I don't like it, right, I Mean it's so real

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Speaker 5: like and so I really really do try to create

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Speaker 5: a bude because here's because although all that is true.

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Speaker 1: It is it is very cool the idea of crypto

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Speaker 1: currency with n f t S.

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Speaker 5: And again I'll use the the E n S example

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Speaker 5: because for free, I got like like like like like

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Speaker 5: five thousand dollars. I didn't touch it and it kept increasing.

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Speaker 5: If I was paid five K, it wouldn't be increasing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I would have five k, which is great.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: I think that like how crypto can grow and fall

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Speaker 5: is still intriguing to me as a cryptocurrency, a currency.

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Speaker 5: To buy n f t S crypto as a stock

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Speaker 5: as an investment, I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I can't coed, I mean like, I don't.

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Speaker 5: But but because our our our lives are increasingly digital,

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Speaker 5: and I studied in grad school that the experiences we

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Speaker 5: have in our digital spaces the physiolog physiologically mirror our

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Speaker 5: experiences in the world. For example, if you're at a

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Speaker 5: party and you get rejected, how that feels. This is

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Speaker 5: these is the same in your body, in your brain

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Speaker 5: as being blocked on Twitter. You. I mean so, I

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Speaker 5: guess as a person who really understands and appreciates that

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Speaker 5: our whole world is increasingly digital and our currencies are too,

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Speaker 5: and the US dollar ain't all that stable if you

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Speaker 5: want to get into.

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Speaker 4: That, people making decisions with the US dollar that might

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Speaker 4: not benefit us but benefits certain sects of people as well.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not behind cryptocurrency is interesting. It hasn't been.

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Speaker 2: We're not there yet, you know what I mean, not.

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Speaker 5: There yet, And but but I but I guess I

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Speaker 5: want to highlight going back to the idea of the metaverse.

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Speaker 1: Right, I play, I play grand that thought of a lot.

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Speaker 1: Still I love it whatever.

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Speaker 5: I have all these cool cars and ship right, and

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Speaker 5: I have a house like in the hills and it

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Speaker 5: has art in there, and it has.

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Speaker 1: I have a dog in the game, Like those things

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Speaker 1: are going to increase and become more important to us.

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Speaker 1: They are. It's like people get.

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Speaker 5: Their account, don't suspend it on Twitter and lows all

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Speaker 5: connection to their friends because most of time you don't

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Speaker 5: have each email and phone number. It's real, it's it's

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Speaker 5: a real ass connection, but it's not it doesn't go

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Speaker 5: off that platform. And so the idea of the decentralized

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Speaker 5: that sensations that everything that happens online you own, you know.

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Speaker 5: It's like Twitter can't take it from me, Like I'm

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00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 5: still have this connections, and again I have to keep

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Speaker 5: saying we aren't there yet, but that's what I hope

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Speaker 5: keeps happening.

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Speaker 1: I hope we get to because I live online.

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Speaker 5: I prefer being online. I'm an introvert. I like, I

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Speaker 5: don't I don't want to be in people's faces. I

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Speaker 5: don't want to be there, you know.

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Speaker 2: But you know, because.

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Speaker 5: I met John and Tyler online a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 5: and it was it was it was real to me.

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Speaker 5: It was like we were friends and then you know,

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Speaker 5: and then we talked on the phone before and then

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00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 5: we met up in person, and it's like all that

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00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 5: happened because we that we value you our digital connection.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like, well, close the laptop. I don't know

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Speaker 1: about him anymore.

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Speaker 4: You know, this podcast wouldn't exist without those digital commingtions

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Speaker 4: we all met through the this, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So, and we've also talked with like Zach Fox and

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Speaker 2: several other creators about how uncomfortable they are that their

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Speaker 2: careers and relationships have happened as have our relationships and

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Speaker 2: to this podcast extent, careers on a privately owned website

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Speaker 2: that is traded that I shouldn't say, private, publicly owned, right,

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Speaker 2: like traded people have made a ton of money off it.

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Speaker 2: We are tangentially those people in that we figured out

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Speaker 2: how to make money from creating a podcast or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But we're not making the money generated from Twitter. We're

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Speaker 2: not participating in a trillion dollar market cap. You know

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Speaker 2: that that Yeah, anyways, So but that, but that is like,

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Speaker 2: that's the conflict. I see your point about the optimism

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Speaker 2: on the digital space, because that already happened. Yeah, like

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Speaker 2: that's already the like Dan Bongino is controlling what forty

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Speaker 2: percent of America thinks because he owns Facebook, like because

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Speaker 2: he owns the news feed on Facebook. Yeah, but like,

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Speaker 2: but that and you're so right that that already happened.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's understandable to want or certainly to need

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Speaker 2: something to follow it in terms of how that stuff

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Speaker 2: is regulated and commodified.

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Speaker 4: And you were talking about Mark and how like we

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Speaker 4: hope Mark understands how we interact on here, right. I

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Speaker 4: was I quoted Chris Crack on a on one of

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Speaker 4: my posts. It was like, black don't crack unless you

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Speaker 4: coon it. I'm a nigga, I can say that shit, right,

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Speaker 4: But my shit was taken down because somebody complained about it, right,

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Speaker 4: because these algorithms don't understand the niggas talk like niggas,

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Speaker 4: and niggas can talk like niggas. You feel I'm saying

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Speaker 4: same thing with Twitter when not my shit was block.

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Speaker 4: You feel what I'm saying, and so like I've built

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Speaker 4: up a certain following. This helped me actually get paid.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, I'm getting paid to we

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Speaker 4: I'm getting paid now because of what I've done on Twitter.

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Speaker 4: If this other fuckers with that an that that's created

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Speaker 4: these algorithms that don't understand that niggas talk like niggas,

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Speaker 4: and niggas can say ship that other people can't say

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Speaker 4: and it's not disrespectful and take my ship from me

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Speaker 4: in a metapverse, that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying A good point.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't happen if.

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Speaker 5: Wait, it doesn't happen if And it's part of the

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Speaker 5: reason why I'm actually currently learning the code.

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Speaker 1: We need non white programmers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, algorithms and.

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Speaker 5: Everything it has it has it has biased and I

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Speaker 5: hate people are like, it's the computer, it can't have bias.

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Speaker 1: Like we need to be the people coding this ship

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Speaker 1: Like that scares me because.

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Speaker 5: That's not like I don't see a current a current

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Speaker 5: wave you know of of people like us coding.

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Speaker 4: And and the protech is stuff like that are trying

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Speaker 4: to push it, but it's not you know, growing we

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Speaker 4: need that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the analogy that I heard and it is

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Speaker 2: why we've got my wife and I got our kids.

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Speaker 2: You know that coding is something that we're looking at

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Speaker 2: for them. Is that learning the code now is like

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Speaker 2: learning to read after the printing press was invented, right

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Speaker 2: like that? Not knowing how the code is going to

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Speaker 2: make you functionally illiterate in like thirty years. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: so it is, it is important. But my kid, uh

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Speaker 2: is learning cursive right now in fourth third grade, which

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Speaker 2: is like probably not as valuable. I thought they stopped

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Speaker 2: teaching that because nobody, nobody that you're gonna type and

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Speaker 2: you're gonna type in cursive? Is that gonna make it

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Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying, that's that's that's I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure his third grade teacher does not listen

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Speaker 2: to the pod. Hopefully not.

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Speaker 1: Interesting comments on my teaching style.

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Speaker 5: I heard.

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Speaker 2: You out to class, please, but.

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Speaker 5: It speaks to the idea of of centralization and decentualiation. Also,

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Speaker 5: I'll add, you know.

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Speaker 1: On my Instagram and stuff and this tracks me up.

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Speaker 1: But this is the climate.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Hairstylists often often book clients through instagrams everything that'sage you

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Speaker 1: in there.

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Speaker 5: So when Instagram went down, like whenever it was last year,

844
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 5: people lost clients, appointments, they couldn't contact their Their own

845
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 5: business is on a centralized platform. And again that's the

846
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 5: idea where I'm like, yeah, that's not good, you know,

847
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Speaker 5: like decentralization is is the way. I don't know how

848
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Speaker 5: we get there, but I am thankful that there are

849
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Speaker 5: people much smarter than me trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 3: All right, I got, I got, I got a basic

851
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 3: ask question. Here are the Are the values of NFTs

852
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Speaker 3: volatile or are they like set? Like Like what I'm

853
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Speaker 3: asking is, say you buy one of those little weak

854
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: ass eight avvis for like four stacks, right, will you

855
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 3: wake up one morning and it's at twenty five hundred

856
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: or is it always going to be four thousand? And

857
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 3: if you can't flip it then you should out of luck?

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Speaker 3: Is that you see what I'm saying, It's.

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Speaker 2: Only worth anything, and this is true of all specultive assets,

860
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Speaker 2: whether it's an NFT or whether it's the Honess Wagner card.

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Speaker 2: It's only worth what someone's going to pay for it. Yep.

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Speaker 2: If you find somebody to pay for K for it's

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00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: worth for right, and so's that's why you know, the

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Speaker 2: conversation John and I first started having when he was

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Speaker 2: just talking more so about the art on NFTs, and

866
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Speaker 2: I was saying, look, this is the definition of a

867
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 2: specultive asset bubble. And it's nothing pro or con about

868
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: the art, but there is absolutely an inflated demand for

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00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: it right now. And you know, maybe it creates a

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Speaker 2: new market and things continue to run.

871
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 5: I don't think it's I don't think currently happening is

872
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 5: is sustainable.

873
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: And I think that I think that like the apes like,

874
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: there will be as there are with every speculative asset bubble,

875
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: including trading cards. The Honess Wagner card is still worth

876
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: a lot, but there are a billion times more trading

877
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 2: cards that moms and grandma's bought for their kids to

878
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: be their retirement plan or the college plan. I made

879
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 2: the joke in the group chat, I have four copies

880
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: of X men number one that my grandma bought me.

881
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 4: Right, I got a copy with Superman Died because I

882
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 4: thought that was you know what I'm saying, And that

883
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 4: was not seventeen time.

884
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 2: And that was being sold to people, and that is

885
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: still being sold now. There are still comic books that

886
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 2: you can buy that are very valuable. But the bubble

887
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: popped in the nineties, right, and the bubble popped on

888
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 2: Internet stocks in the two thousand and the bubble popped

889
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: on the stuff people were doing with real estate. The

890
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: bubble popped as I talked about on the Dutch tulipmania

891
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 2: in the sixteen thirties, like like asset bubbles pop, A

892
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: bubbles pop, they pop every time, and it's like it

893
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: is a you know, in economics, it's a documented five

894
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 2: step thing. I think the only argument on the NFT

895
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: asset bubble is are we in three or four on

896
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: the elation ecstasy rise or are we moving into the

897
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 2: profit taking? And I don't know, because the people who

898
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: own this stuff are either taking their profits now or

899
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: they're not.

900
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 5: But what I was, I would say the products that

901
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 5: interest me in the NFT space are one they have

902
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 5: two things. They have community and they had utility. Those

903
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 5: two things to me aren't speculative.

904
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: You know.

905
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 5: It's like, if you have a group people who are

906
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 5: who are invested in this one thing, that's going to

907
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 5: keep keep growing because humans are humans, you know, like

908
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 5: that's what we do. And then if you have utility,

909
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 5: which is I think the important part of the Ethereum

910
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 5: network and everything, it's going to also keep being back

911
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 5: keeping valuable.

912
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: The projects that also are.

913
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 5: Transparent and say X amount of tokens are going to

914
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 5: the people, and X is to marketing and this and

915
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 5: that also I appreciate, you know, but but the ape

916
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 5: stuff and the crypto are and I don't know how

917
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 5: to tell.

918
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, how you ask. I'm just like, I don't

919
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: know how that that works. It's like if person interested,

920
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: it goes up and then at some point TikTok, TikTok,

921
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: it won't be worth about it.

922
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 4: I think when it came to like the digital art,

923
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 4: the way I look at it is more from creators

924
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 4: because I have That's the space that I existed. You know,

925
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 4: most of my friends are like creative people, you know

926
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, or in that space. So I was

927
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 4: looking at the opportunity for creators to you know what

928
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 4: I'm saying, make potentially make money from the platform, the

929
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 4: communities they built, you know what I'm saying. And you know,

930
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 4: as they as the projects continue to get worth more,

931
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 4: like with the smart contracts, they continue to make money.

932
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: So that's how that's that's the aspect I was coming from. Also,

933
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 4: like I like the concepts as well, you know, and

934
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 4: I think Mike was looking at it as an investor.

935
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: I didn't even I'm not saying I never thought that's why.

936
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: That is what's driving I mean, and I'm just talking

937
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: about talking to seeing a lot of regular people in

938
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: my time. That is what's drawing people in is the

939
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: oh twenty dollars worth.

940
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: I will always tell people that's not the move, at

941
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: least right now.

942
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: And I was never going to say make that move.

943
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 4: This was more for like, yo, here's information, do what

944
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 4: you want with it. But I was speaking from a

945
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 4: space the side of a creator. I think it's what

946
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 4: Mike was saying as far as like bitcoin being shady.

947
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, one thousand people own forty

948
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 4: percent of it, and I think, like bit with bitcoin,

949
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: they're never going to make any more bitcoin how much

950
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 4: money is how much bitcoin is made is the only

951
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 4: amount that will be made. They'll never change that, so

952
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 4: that'll never fluctuate, you know what I'm saying.

953
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: But well, but they could decide to change it whenever.

954
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: That's my point, and that's where decentralization, I think is

955
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: a great goal, but it's so delicate as to how

956
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: you get there. Because look, you we talk about how

957
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: the FED has made decisions that benefit white people, you know,

958
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: like a million percent, right, but the FED is also

959
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: has to issue press releases and hold the press conference

960
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: every time they make a decision. I can go on

961
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal right now with a glossary and

962
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: the ability to google a shitload of words. I'm not

963
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: going to understand and read about what the FED chairman

964
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: is going to do this week. Like he is tracked

965
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: in the financial world the same way the president is tracked.

966
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 4: Right, And they might lie to you and that shit,

967
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 4: but they had to lie to you, you know, they

968
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 4: had to get on the recorded and lied to you.

969
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: By saying interest rates are going up. Like just as

970
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: for example, I didn't know shit about money until like

971
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: basically until we started the Patreon for the podcast. As

972
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: you guys know, and I had enough money to where, oh,

973
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 2: I should learn something so that I don't go through

974
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: with some other family members of mine went through.

975
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 6: Motherfucker, you was commedary thing, you know, big TV niggas, Funa.

976
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Broke boy, you know. But

977
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 2: I learned enough that when I saw, okay, because of

978
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: the pandemic, they're lowering interest rates. I went to our

979
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: mortgage guy and I said, I want to refinance the house.

980
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 2: And we lowered our monthly payment on our mortgage by

981
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: three hundred dollars. And I went to a bunch of

982
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: friends of mine who I know don't know fucking shit

983
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: about money, but who owned some little piece of long

984
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: beach or whatever, and I said, let's go refinance. Let's

985
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 2: get some money out of this ship. So you know

986
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 2: what I like. So that's always my thing is the

987
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: difference between learning to work within the system from the

988
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: cynical perspective now, which is not how I felt ten

989
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 2: years ago of I can't do shit about shit except

990
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: trying to take care of my family, versus how do

991
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,439
Speaker 2: we decentralize things to where it's a more just world

992
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: for my kids to grow up in? U A great point.

993
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 5: I think it's almost a great summary on what if

994
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 5: you will about the the n f T space and

995
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 5: kind of crypto.

996
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: Like I said, I don't want to do crypto.

997
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 5: But the n FT space, which is currently present day,

998
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 5: it is a great thing to be involved in if

999
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 5: you're interested in like decentralizing in the future.

1000
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: How do we do it? How do we figure it out?

1001
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 5: I'm not convinced a single person, and I have a

1002
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 5: ton of friends who are creators, artists and everything.

1003
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: I've never been like, you should create an NFT. That's

1004
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: how you're going to make your money right right, right right.

1005
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 5: But I think it's important to understand it because I

1006
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 5: feel like it's going to be a quick shift between

1007
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 5: what is this and crap I missed.

1008
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 4: Out right, and that's my thing. That's what I'm thinking.

1009
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 4: Here's information. Like I said, I don't know if it's

1010
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 4: it now, but there's a good chance'll be it. You

1011
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: want to get him to this, you know what I'm saying.

1012
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 4: At least understand it because when it's time to tap in,

1013
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: you can tap in right now.

1014
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like I said, I ain't telling nobody

1015
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: to buy no motherfucking apes. You feel me.

1016
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 4: I know, and I know, motherfuckers, I got a homie

1017
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 4: that butter ape mate and it is worth hundred seventy

1018
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 4: five k you feel me?

1019
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: That's cool for him. I still ain't bought a mother

1020
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: from eight I'll do you hear you? You know what

1021
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying, And I wish you the best of luck.

1022
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: You know, this ship.

1023
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: That Laura might be my favorite guess we've ever had.

1024
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: On the day, Bro, Mike, I told you, Brokay, I

1025
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: told you this. Mike was Mike was Hella.

1026
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 4: You know this motherfucker was you know, fucking white knuckles,

1027
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 4: you know, pink knuckles?

1028
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 2: Ready hot? You know what I mean.

1029
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: We're telling them to scale, No, we're not. Here's information

1030
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 4: that you know. Gatekeeping is the thing. We want to

1031
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 4: give you this information, learn about it, you know what

1032
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And then as we're learning, we want you

1033
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 4: to learn to so we'll all be prepared when it's

1034
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 4: time to take full advantage. And here's here's my perspective.

1035
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: Since you threw a pink knuckle joke in there.

1036
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: The if you go on Wikipedia, Google whatever, look up

1037
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: the Dutch tulip panic is like one of the first

1038
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: recorded instances of a speculative asset bubble where everyone in

1039
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't even know what country Dutch refers to, is

1040
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 2: that the Netherlands. The Netherlands. Thank you everyone in the Netherlands.

1041
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: Suddenly tulips were the thing, and suddenly, you know, the

1042
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 2: people making the you know, the eight versions of the tulips, whatever,

1043
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: I gotta have this, dude's tulips. People to buy more

1044
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: tulips because they felt like there was and and this

1045
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: is the thing where all this is so sort of

1046
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: up in the air. They felt like there was utility.

1047
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: People love the tulips. They're beautiful. There's an underlying value

1048
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: here that's going to keep going up. Obviously, the ship

1049
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: didn't keep going up. A lot of people lost a

1050
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: lot of ship, and so were you talk about gatekeeping

1051
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: information and spreading information. If you'd have just sat that

1052
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: one out for four years in the Netherlands in the

1053
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: sixteen thirties, that worked out pretty well for you. You

1054
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: know what. There was not a smart way to go

1055
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: about getting into that. Now. The difference with this is technological.

1056
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 2: There's nothing new technology about flowers. And when we're talking

1057
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 2: about things becoming increasingly digital, that's not a question or

1058
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: an opinion of Lauren's. That's obviously the fucking fact of

1059
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: the world.

1060
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 4: So but that's where and shit changes much quicker. You

1061
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 4: sit out four years you missed the boat, niggas.

1062
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It might have been a

1063
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: boat you wanted to miss. It's my point.

1064
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 3: Maybe, but maybe not.

1065
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: It might not, you know, it might not have been

1066
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: the fucking tulips. So you feel me, even if it

1067
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: is the toolips.

1068
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 5: I think the difference is and there's a hilarious tweet

1069
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 5: out there, which I hate that a camera who came

1070
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 5: up with it, but it was like we were we

1071
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 5: weren't supposed to have access to this many people's thoughts, right,

1072
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 5: whatever it was. And it's like that's the difference is

1073
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 5: that maybe I didn't hear about tulips and stuff back

1074
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 5: then because I live too far away that you know,

1075
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 5: blah bah blah.

1076
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: But but right now I'm seeing all my homies apparently

1077
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: talking about this, So.

1078
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 5: To me, I think because of that, I have to

1079
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 5: like talk about here's what it actually is, here's what

1080
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 5: it could be, here's a scamming part of it, here's

1081
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 5: all this, do what you will, And I keep saying,

1082
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 5: hold back do your research, don't just just dive in

1083
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 5: because all this is so new still, like I I

1084
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Speaker 5: we are still early until we missed it. And so

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Speaker 5: for me it's like, because I think we're so interconnected

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Speaker 5: and the we're online, people keep hearing about it. And

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Speaker 5: if they if they only hear about oh wait, he

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Speaker 5: looked one hundred and two hundred, okay, then they're like, well,

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Speaker 5: I should try it. But if there's people at us

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Speaker 5: who are like, eh, but I think.

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Speaker 1: That's good, and I do.

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Speaker 2: I just want to compliment you because I think the

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00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 2: problem that there is a John's correct, that there is

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00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 2: an information vacuum. There are a lot of evangelists out

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00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: there do it trying to profit from those stories, trying

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00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 2: to get as many people in as poss well by

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00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: saying this bot for one hundred and sold for two

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Speaker 2: thousand next day. On the other side of that, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of cynical people like me who are going

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Speaker 2: exposing people to certain forms of misinformation is not education,

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00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: it's dangerous, et cetera. Like I want to keep this

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Speaker 2: ship as far away from the people who trust me

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Speaker 2: as possible, and in the middle there's like probably fifteen

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Speaker 2: people like you we got that motherfucker on and we

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Speaker 2: got on a.

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Speaker 1: Par That's where it happened.

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's where it happened overnight kind of because like

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Speaker 5: I remember, at one point I would pick on Twitter

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Speaker 5: and I'd be like, oh, hey, I'm on my NFTs.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's interesting.

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Speaker 5: And then one day I got on Twitter and I

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00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 5: was like n f ts and I got dms from

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Speaker 5: like people I know who are like, this is a scam.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you. Of all people, or I'm like whoa, WHOA.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm just I wouldn't. I would have

1116
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Speaker 2: DM the fuck out of you.

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00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 5: Like people are like I understand the the the anger

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00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 5: and stuff big because people do have for friends like

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00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 5: Mike had friends who were scammed and stuff, and and

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Speaker 5: they really I think. I think what surprises me is

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Speaker 5: how passionately people are about a thing that is so new.

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Speaker 5: The point I'm trying to make is that it's evolving

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Speaker 5: so quickly that anything you hate about it, it's possibly

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Speaker 5: already changed. And I and I think that's what kind

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Speaker 5: of keeps me trying to educate people. It's like, I

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Speaker 5: don't want you guys to hate it and then miss

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Speaker 5: out hate it and hold out it's fine. It's not

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Speaker 5: perfect yet, it's not even close to perfect yet. It's

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Speaker 5: still evolving, it's still being being built. Like even I

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Speaker 5: think even the fact that we still call them n

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Speaker 5: f ts proves we're too early to me an n

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Speaker 5: f T is like asks Jeeves. Anybody asking Jeeves anything anymore.

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Speaker 1: It's like, that's my point, it really is. It's it's

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Speaker 1: too early to be all in or to be all out.

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Speaker 4: I think, and you say and you say too, which

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Speaker 4: I thought was great in the write up. You were like, dude, like,

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Speaker 4: if people say they know everything, there is to be

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Speaker 4: weary of that. Be very weary of those people. Nobody

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Speaker 4: knows everything yet we're all still figuring it out. I

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Speaker 4: ain't no experts in this space. It's too early.

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Speaker 2: Next step, all right, our thanks again to Lauren for

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Speaker 2: joining us for a great conversation, and uh, we are good.

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Speaker 2: We're exing everything else out on the topics because we

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Speaker 2: that was a that was a good long interview. I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to glow.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna glow at all. But

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Speaker 4: I like I as I stated, I don't know if

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Speaker 4: this is gonna make the interview part. I think it's

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01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 4: gonna cut. But like, I'm not gonna bring no weirdos

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01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 4: on the fucking pod. I am truly the lamest of

1196
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 4: all of my flarings, including you. So no, if I

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Speaker 4: bring somebody to the motherfucking pod, it's gonna be a

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Speaker 4: real you know what I'm saying. And all I was

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Speaker 4: trying to do is like, here's information, good and bad. Mike,

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Speaker 4: you tell your part all of that shit. You know

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01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, and let's give them all the information.

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01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 4: People can make their own decisions. I do understand where

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01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 4: you're coming from. I'm not bringing no fucking NFT evangelists.

1204
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 4: I'm not saying, hey, bring.

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Speaker 2: The motherfucker who said NFT literature is the biggest thing

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Speaker 2: in the world this year.

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Speaker 4: Fuck that, nigga, And I do not condone none of

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Speaker 4: the shit he's ever done ever in his life, good

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Speaker 4: or bad, because fuck them all the way.

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Speaker 2: You feel what I'm saying, I'm gonna bring you. You

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Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So like dog, I understand your

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01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 2: apprehension complete. I would add, by the way, and I

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01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: know you're taking a victory lap because Lauren was awesome,

1214
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Speaker 2: but I would add that up. My apprehension remains, and

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01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: I would basically guarantee that at least one real person

1216
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: out there will end up losing money over having listened

1217
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,479
Speaker 2: to this interview, gotten interested in the ship and throwing

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01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: their money where they shouldn't be throwing their money. That

1219
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 2: could happen in stocks as well. That can happen. We're

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01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: having people on to tell people about stocks.

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Speaker 4: That are we not going to have people on to

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Speaker 4: talk about stocks if that's an important way for people

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Speaker 4: to you know, it's important things happened that they could

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Speaker 4: benefit from, you know what I mean. I feel like

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Speaker 4: for I think I think we have different ways of thinking.

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Speaker 4: I think it's this is one of the we agree

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Speaker 4: on most things. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I think I believe this is literally the first subject

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Speaker 2: matter disagreement. I mean, with all the respect to peanut

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Speaker 2: butter and jelly and squirrels, this is the first time

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Speaker 2: we've actually disagreed about some ship in the group chat.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like, but this is just from our aspect,

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Speaker 4: Like this this hot like you you talk about you

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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, you being a dude, stayed in

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Speaker 4: your city, you know what I'm saying, and and you

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Speaker 4: know group built your life around.

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Speaker 2: The people you grew up with, right. I literally couldn't

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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 4: If I wanted to do the shit I wanted to do, right,

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Speaker 4: I had to take some risks and all that shit

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Speaker 4: to be able to do what the fuck I wanted

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Speaker 4: to do. I couldn't build what you built in Saint

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Speaker 4: Louis or what I built in Saint Louis. The opportunity

1244
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Speaker 4: just wasn't there. So I had to take some risks

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Speaker 4: and so like, I'm not as risk averse. I don't

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Speaker 4: think even running.

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Speaker 2: A nonprofit journalism outlet that I started because I got

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Speaker 2: laid off here, I'm not risk adverse. I feel what

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Speaker 2: you're saying, but like you know, I've had to maybe

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Speaker 2: take risks you might not have taken. Whatever.

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Speaker 4: I think, it just highlights some of our diffritis as

1252
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 4: far as things. The thing you think, like, hey, let's

1253
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 4: hold out telling this information because people can invest, and

1254
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 4: fuck they should up. I'm like, hey, let's give them

1255
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Speaker 4: information and let them make their own decisions, because I

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Speaker 4: feel like, not misinformation, the full story make their own decisions.

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Speaker 2: I don't think, I mean, and I don't.

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Speaker 4: I honestly don't have fens that can invest seventeen k

1259
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Speaker 4: into a motherfucking one monkey or something.

1260
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about my friends who lost their stimulus check,

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Speaker 2: which if they threw it at SMP tracker, would be

1262
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 2: worth three times what it was when they got it.

1263
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 2: And that's underwritten, you know what I mean, like in

1264
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 2: a very different way, and unlike that NFT shit. If

1265
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Speaker 2: they lost it, the whole tax code is written around

1266
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: people investing in Wall Street. It'd be a tax write

1267
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 2: off for the next ten years, right Like, That's what

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01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 2: I'm That's what I'm saying. And you my friends are

1269
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Speaker 2: dumber than your friends, I mean, I you know what

1270
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Well, I don't. I'm just like I talk

1271
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Speaker 2: about you, but I'm just like, like I've got I've

1272
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Speaker 2: got friends who are like very intelligent, creative people, but

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Speaker 2: I also have a lot of people who listen to

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Speaker 2: me and who listen to the pod and stuff that

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01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 2: they see, Oh they're talking about NFT. Is like I've

1276
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: been seeing all this shit about NFTs. I bet you

1277
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like, and that's those are those

1278
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 2: are those are the people I worry about. And I

1279
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: do think about it. I would say the difference to

1280
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: me is I think about it more so from the

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Speaker 2: perspective of a journalist. And I've been covering these school

1282
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Speaker 2: board meetings for the last two years. It's a lot

1283
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 2: of people who come and say crazy bullshit at the

1284
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Speaker 2: school board meetings. I don't write about that because I

1285
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 2: don't think it's responsible to spread uh misinformation or spread

1286
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: bad information. I totally agree with you. Lauren's not on

1287
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 2: here doing that, and I thought that was a great

1288
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: informative conversation. But that's where I'm coming from, is we

1289
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 2: already know everything that everyone thinks about everything. We don't

1290
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: have to highlight stuff that's going to make people go broke.

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Speaker 2: That's I don't think no flus Like I knew very

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Speaker 2: little about n f T s. I knew very little

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Speaker 2: about the technology. You know what I'm saying. And I

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Speaker 2: think that technology will be used and the concepts be

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Speaker 2: used in the future. And that's what I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: Let's tap in with that shit. You know what I

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Speaker 2: mean to understand it?

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Speaker 4: Like like I said, like, yes, people knowing about n

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Speaker 4: f ts and digital art, they may invest and lose money.

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you don't do that shit right now if

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Speaker 4: you still listening this late the motherfucker pod, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you know, I'm personally not going to

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Speaker 2: do that, you know what I mean. That's what Instagram

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01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: is built on. Though we talked about the ape shit,

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Speaker 2: We've mentioned it seven times and now we're you know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like whether we want to have that

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01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: inflate the value of it or not. Audience is value,

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01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: Attention is value like that, and that's where it's I

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01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: agree with you. It's an essential conversation. I came away

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01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: from that interview. I feel like a lot smarter and

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01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 2: more informed because of how good of a guest Lauren was.

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Speaker 2: But I genuinely don't know how you passed that information

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Speaker 2: on about subjects like this in a way that does

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Speaker 2: not have a massive risk for hurting people. Because that's it,

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01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 2: and that's that's just the world that we're that's where

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01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 2: we're at, Like, that's literally how misinformation is spread. And

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Speaker 2: I apologize about the anti VAXX comment. I was not

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Speaker 2: suggesting you were anti vax but but the comment, I

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 2: did not call you anti bax. I want to be

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Speaker 2: very clear. I did not call you antivac compared me

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Speaker 2: to an anti VAXX. I was what I was saying

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Speaker 2: was the philosophy of let's put all the information out

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Speaker 2: there and let people make their own decision. Is whether

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Speaker 2: we like it or not? That is that. I No, No,

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Speaker 2: this situation might hey Man, as someone who grew up

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Speaker 2: broke as fuck, I'm sorry, it is a life for

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Speaker 2: death situation, and it might be a life for death

1329
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: situation for dumb people being irresponsible with their money. But

1330
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: that's my family, that's the house I grew up in.

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Speaker 2: So that's very real to me, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And so all I'm saying is whether it's we like

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Speaker 2: it or not, And I'm not associating with those people

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Speaker 2: the let's put the information out there and let them

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Speaker 2: make their decision. A lot of really bad people have

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Speaker 2: used that as justification for doing Also, we're not We're like, dude,

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Speaker 2: we're not Joe Rogan. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: We're not having people on that we know are on

1339
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 4: some fuck shit Like she said, she's not an NFT evangelist.

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Speaker 2: And now I'm not saying anything.

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Speaker 4: You're not saying anything about say anything about her. You

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Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. I'm just saying, we're not doing that.

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Speaker 4: What we are doing is, hey, this is interesting.

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Speaker 2: We don't know what it is.

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Speaker 4: This is what information we have, you know, just just

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Speaker 4: you know, here's some information. Do your own research, see

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Speaker 4: what happens. This is you know what I'm saying, and

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Speaker 4: just watch this.

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Speaker 2: That's all. That's all I was coming from.

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Speaker 4: I think the metaverse and NFTs are more important than

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Speaker 4: I initially thought they were.

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Speaker 2: I was like, fuck all this weird shit when you

1353
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 2: thought it would have passed by Now the second wave

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Speaker 2: is hitting and you're like, oh and a big coin

1355
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 2: and like shit like that, and you're saying, like forty

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Speaker 2: percent of people all by a thousand, thousand people. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. That's nic than the fed.

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Speaker 2: You you know what I'm saying. You feel me. And

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01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 2: so I'm like, yo, let's hit ourselves to these things.

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Speaker 4: And I think I seek like a lot of other

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01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 4: you know, digital you know what, currency like Big Cohen

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01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 4: and other weird ass ship you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Let's not like it does get scammy. Let's talk. We

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Speaker 2: talked about that as well, but like, here.

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Speaker 4: Is the stuff that we find interesting about it, And

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Speaker 4: a lot of it wasn't the digital you know art.

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Speaker 2: It was just a tech behind it and the thought

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Speaker 2: behind it. And that's why I think it's important. The

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Speaker 2: whole interview was basically like fuck all the art that people.

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Speaker 2: You feel me, that's she said.

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Speaker 4: She said, she thinks that's the least interesting part of it,

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Speaker 4: you know, and fuck them damn monkeys, ye.

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Speaker 2: Grill looking. Oh man, I gotta go, y'all all right,

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Speaker 2: handshake e OJI, John. I'll call you later, Bro. I

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Speaker 2: love y'all, man, I love it, y'all. I hear you, Mike,

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Speaker 2: I love you. But you know what I'm saying, We

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Speaker 2: will be uh, We'll be back in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the week for another episode of Jenkins and Jones. Bye

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Speaker 2: b M.