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Speaker 1: It's a consistent practice. It's prayer work, mindfulness, meditation, conscious breathing.

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Speaker 2: Set everyone, Welcome back to On Purpose, the number one

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Speaker 1: my childhood is when he brought ten deutsch marks and

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Speaker 1: I've said this story many times, which is equivalent to

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Speaker 1: ten dollars, and he said, this is all we got

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Speaker 1: for our family of five is living in a super

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Speaker 1: small apartment. That's where it hit me. It was like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: now I have to take the means in my hands

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Speaker 1: as a twelve year old boy in whatever way I can.

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Speaker 1: At least what I can do is support my mother,

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Speaker 1: maybe from some of the burden that she has during

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Speaker 1: the day of taking care of my younger brothers. And

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Speaker 1: that's where it also hit me that not having success

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Speaker 1: is not an option like I have to succeed. It's

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Speaker 1: basically a matter of existence, a survival of my family.

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Speaker 1: So I think it started there and then over the years,

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Speaker 1: it has obviously transformed or evolved into different kind of form.

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Speaker 1: But I think that and also my relationship with my

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Speaker 1: father oftentimes because of maybe lack of patience of my

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Speaker 1: father or people around, because everyone saw that I have

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Speaker 1: a talent. I was coming from Serbia that had no

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Speaker 1: tennis tradition, no tennis culture. We are a nation of

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Speaker 1: a team sports. We are definitely a sporting nation. We

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Speaker 1: love sports, but team sports, and at that point during nineties,

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Speaker 1: it was about survival. People were watching sports, but there

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Speaker 1: was not much support for the sports. It was particularly

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Speaker 1: not tennis, a very expensive sport at the time. I

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Speaker 1: chose the most difficult sport for my parents in the

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Speaker 1: most difficult time for our nation and for my family.

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Speaker 1: So oftentimes I wouldn't travel because we didn't have money.

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Speaker 1: And then, you know, obviously, as you can imagine, tennis

462
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Speaker 1: federation did have, you know, money to support me. So

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Speaker 1: my father had to go and bag and then he

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Speaker 1: was also borrowing money from unfortunately in some criminals at

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Speaker 1: the time during nineties, and then they would you know,

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Speaker 1: they would tell him it's a funny story right now,

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Speaker 1: but at the time it wasn't funny. It's particularly for him,

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Speaker 1: but you know, he would go and he said, first

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Speaker 1: time I was going to go to the United States

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Speaker 1: to play. I was fifteen years old. I was going

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Speaker 1: to play like big junior events here like Prince Cup

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Speaker 1: and Orange Bowl. They are the biggest ones under sixteen

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Speaker 1: and under eighteen. And also more importantly, I was I

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Speaker 1: was going with my father hopefully to get the sponsorship

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Speaker 1: or you know, get recruited by one of the big

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Speaker 1: agencies IMG's or whatever. So he went for us for

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Speaker 1: money because we didn't have so he went to ask

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Speaker 1: for five thousand dollars and so these criminal people that

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Speaker 1: you could borrow money from because banks obviously would not

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Speaker 1: give it to you. And then they said, you know,

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Speaker 1: he asked them, you know, are you how much are

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Speaker 1: You're in rush? And he's like, listen, I'm asking this

483
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Speaker 1: money from you because of my son. He's playing tennis.

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Speaker 1: We're going in America. You know, I'll return this money

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Speaker 1: within whatever they agreed on, one or two months, whatever

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Speaker 1: it is. Three months. He says, interest rate was fifteen percent,

487
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: but because you were in rush, it's twenty five. So

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Speaker 1: my father was like, okay, you know, I'll take it

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Speaker 1: because I have no other options so, and I can

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Speaker 1: only imagine the stress that he was going through and

491
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Speaker 1: trying to turn this money where people were really car

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Speaker 1: chasing him, shootings in our capital town. Stuff that my

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Speaker 1: father went through, you know, to really not only survive himself,

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Speaker 1: but to actually allow all of us to live and

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Speaker 1: protect us and to allow me to live my dream

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Speaker 1: and to play the most expensive sport at the time

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Speaker 1: for my country is something that I'm eternally in depted.

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Speaker 1: I cannot there is no money or there's nothing that

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Speaker 1: can return the favor, so to say. So, of course,

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Speaker 1: my father's always my hero for that and my champion,

501
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: but you know, feeling of not enough because of that

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Speaker 1: stress and what things that he was going through. And

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00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: then it was hard because he was giving me also

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Speaker 1: hard time if I wouldn't play well, and it's like

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Speaker 1: and then I understood, but at the same time, I

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Speaker 1: was afraid. I knew what I have to do, but

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Speaker 1: you know, it's hard for me to deliver it. When

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Speaker 1: you need it's like, okay, you need to win no

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Speaker 1: matter what type of situation. He wasn't telling me that,

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Speaker 1: but that's how it felt, and it felt like that

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Speaker 1: for years. So that's why I say that the success

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Speaker 1: that I have achieved is not only due to my father,

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Speaker 1: my parents, or myself. It's also the divine higher force.

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Speaker 1: I strongly believe that there was an intervention and there

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Speaker 1: still is. There's higher forces in power that were helping

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Speaker 1: me in some of the most difficult moments in my

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Speaker 1: family as well. I am a man of faith, and

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Speaker 1: I really truly believe in God and a higher spiritual

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Speaker 1: force that intervenes in the most difficult moments if you

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Speaker 1: open your heart, if you pray, and if you believe

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Speaker 1: in it. So I felt it on my own skin, Jade.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, I really don't know how I won

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Speaker 1: certain matches. I cannot explain it even with my team.

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Speaker 1: After I would finish a Grand Slam final against Roger

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Speaker 1: Featherer in twenty nineteen Wimbledon, when he was a far

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Speaker 1: better player, I saved some match points and I came

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Speaker 1: off the court. All stats were going his way. I

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Speaker 1: won the match, and I just said, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I wasn't playing well, I wasn't feeling well on the court,

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Speaker 1: and I was just like struggling and scrambling and trying

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Speaker 1: to stay out there, stay alive. And I won in

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Speaker 1: the end in one of the most epic finals in

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Speaker 1: history of tennis. And then you know, I told to

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Speaker 1: my parents and my family and my team, I said,

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Speaker 1: and my wife, I said, I don't know how I

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Speaker 1: want this match. I have no idea. At the same time,

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Speaker 1: I do know deep inside that there's that connection happening,

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Speaker 1: and that there's also that help, so that there's a

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Speaker 1: mix of things. It's really hard to explain. Sometimes there's

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Speaker 1: this divine power that really if you allow it, if

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Speaker 1: you believe it, that really helps you come out of

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Speaker 1: a trouble and achieve things.

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Speaker 2: What has been your point of connection or practice with

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Speaker 2: that higher power that keeps you connected? What's been that

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Speaker 2: for you? There's so many different traditions and different methods.

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Speaker 2: What's been the method for you that you find, especially

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Speaker 2: in those moments that you're able to tap in? Because

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Speaker 2: I find that if you're able to tap in in

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Speaker 2: really difficult times, it means you're doing something in good times,

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Speaker 2: because it doesn't just suddenly turn on when you need it. So,

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Speaker 2: what has been your particular practice, method system or theory

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Speaker 2: that's kept you Can.

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Speaker 1: You hit the nail with that one. It's a consist

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Speaker 1: then practice so it's prayer work, mindfulness, meditation, conscious breathing, visualization, presence,

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00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: basically many other things as well that just NP or

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of different techniques that I

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Speaker 1: have been practicing and trialing, always with myself before I

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Speaker 1: would recommend it to someone else, and over the years

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Speaker 1: I've developed my own formula that changes depending on the feeling,

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Speaker 1: dependent on whether I'm on the court, where I'm at

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Speaker 1: home practice whatever it is that I'm doing. But I

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Speaker 1: try to do it when you know nobody's watching. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes I verbalize things, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I write

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00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: things down, sometimes I just internalize. It just depends, but

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Speaker 1: I think most importantly in the end is that you're

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Speaker 1: doing something. I'm actually reading this book. One of the

567
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: books that I'm reading currently is you Know The Power

568
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: of Surrendering and Letting Go. It is an amazing book

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Speaker 1: for me at the moment because because of my upbringing,

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Speaker 1: because of my character, and because of my life story,

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00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: hard for me to let go. It's hard for me

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Speaker 1: to surrender unless it's to the higher power. But I'm

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00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: still working on how to surrender and let go of

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Speaker 1: certain things in relationship with close ones or my relationship

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Speaker 1: with the tennis or you know, if I lose a

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00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: match or a tournament, if I go through a crisis

577
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: period and know how to not hold something that pulls

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Speaker 1: me down or regrets, or you know. It's a constant work.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like if you devote the time on

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Speaker 1: a daily basis, whatever works for you. You had some

581
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: of the most amazing guests on your show that talked

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Speaker 1: about from neuroscientists to doctors, nutritionists, and talked about the

583
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: healthy habits. So I don't want to be talking as them.

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Speaker 1: I'm not an expert, but in my fields or sort

585
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: of say, in my own life and experience, I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm an expert because I have tried and developed

587
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: so many different things over the last thirty years, and

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Speaker 1: I know what works and what doesn't in a way.

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Speaker 1: But going back to the very beginning organization, it's not

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Speaker 1: again a guarantee that it will keep on working to

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Speaker 1: the rest of my life. But I know what will

592
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Speaker 1: is my dedicated time in a day to this practice

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Speaker 1: mental practice, physical practice of course, activity practice that I'm

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Speaker 1: doing in the gym, outside and tennis court or when

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00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm not training, I still do stuff, still do some

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Speaker 1: yoga practice, still do stretching, I still do breeding. I

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00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 1: love the chigong and the Chinese traditional medicine or Chinese

598
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: tradition practices. I think they're super good and important that

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00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: you can do even in your chair. There's always there's ways,

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Speaker 1: and it's incredible nowadays an Internet, and I mean it

601
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: is access to incredible things. Only takes is a willpower

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00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: to do it and a desire to say, Okay, I'm

603
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: consciously making this decision to change my life for better

604
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: and I'm going to start with small steps super important.

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00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: It's hard. You have so much judgment in this society,

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00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: in this world, right, it's really hard for people. As

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00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: we talked about the environment, as much as effort you're

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00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: putting in, and then you come with your friends or whatever,

609
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: with your family members, and they start to judge you

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00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: because you're starting to act weird because you're not normal.

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00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: You're not conforming to the norms of the society, whatever

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00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: they are, because it's quite relative. You know, we're all different,

613
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Speaker 1: but you know the norms of society are not really

614
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Speaker 1: healthy ones. Otherwise we wouldn't be where we are as

615
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: a world, ecosystem, as a whole, and as people and

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Speaker 1: what we are doing to our planet, et cetera. There's

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00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: a lot of awakening happening, and it's great to see

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00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: that change. But it's not easy for people, and I

619
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: understand that, and it's okay not to feel okay, we

620
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: heard that many times as well, and sometimes, as I said,

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Speaker 1: accepting and embracing for me and letting go of the

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Speaker 1: fact that I cannot find a solution to something that

623
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: happens in my brain. In my mind is also fine.

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Speaker 1: Of being in a dark place for as long as

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00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: it requires, is also a humane thing. It's also part

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Speaker 1: of our life. I can see. There's also a narrative

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00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: that I don't really necessarily like or support in our

628
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: let's say wellness mindfulness space, wellbeing space, where it's presented

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Speaker 1: by certain people in such way that you can only

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00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: think positive thoughts and there's no room for negative thoughts.

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Speaker 1: That you know, every picture or video they post online

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Speaker 1: is smiling, it's great life and so forth. I mean,

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00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: that's not possible, right, I mean, you cannot convince me

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00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: that there's a single person in this planet, even the

635
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: monk in Tibet that is meditating twenty four to seven,

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Speaker 1: or an orthos Christian priest a holy island in Greece

637
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: that is twenty four to seven praying, you know, peace

638
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: isolated in the cave, that is not experiencing some negative thoughts.

639
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: And I always go back to what one one of

640
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: my friends told me that he's also mental coach, and

641
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: I've worked with him for years, and one of his

642
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: teachers is zen Buddhism teachers, and he goes to the

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00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: temple in France often to his teacher. And he asked

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00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: him in one of the first times that he was

645
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: there doing retreats and spending time at the temple, He says,

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Speaker 1: how are you so calm? You know, how is it

647
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Speaker 1: that nothing really revels you or unsettles you like you

648
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: always so serene and you don't have any negative thoughts?

649
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: And he said. The answer from the teacher is that

650
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: he says, it's not true. He says, I probably have

651
00:36:54,840 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: more negative thoughts and more challenging thoughts and emotions than

652
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: you have. The difference between you and me is my

653
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: training and my ability to not stay in that state

654
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Speaker 1: and in that emotion for a long time. So I

655
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Speaker 1: stay in it for seconds and you stay in it

656
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: for who knows right, So I think there is true

657
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: wisdom in that, and it's all about practice everything. I mean,

658
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: brain is a muscle like any other. Even consciousness that

659
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: comes naturally to us. I mean, we are conscious, spiritual beings,

660
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: We are souls on this planet, in this body. But

661
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Speaker 1: in order for us to connect with our true self,

662
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: we need to go through these layers, the constructs of

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Speaker 1: the society that has developed us in a way, has

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Speaker 1: shaped us, and that requires practice on a daily basis.

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00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: And that's not easy. Look, it's not easy not switching

666
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Speaker 1: on your phone or your TV the first thing in

667
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: the morning, but doing something that is maybe not as healthy,

668
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: but being devoted to that practice or you know, during

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Speaker 1: the day, having that little one, two, five, twenty minute

670
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Speaker 1: rest time and comprehension time. It's not easy to do that,

671
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: especially for people that didn't develop that kind of habit.

672
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't come naturally. I mean, my even though I

673
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: don't like giving advices, we talked about it, but I

674
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: like to share something that works as a suggestion, something

675
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: that works extremely well for me. And this is crazy

676
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: that even in the twenty first century, we are even

677
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: talking about this as a hack. It should be like

678
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: an everyday thing that it's a most natural thing is

679
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: to spend time in nature. Listen to the birds chirping,

680
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: listen to the wind, feel the wind, feel the I mean,

681
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: if you're by seaside or ocean side, walk by the

682
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: water or any water or pond or lake, or just

683
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: be without the phone and in nature, let the nature

684
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Speaker 1: do its job and heal you. And there's so much

685
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: more power to that than we actually think. And I

686
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 1: felt like in the darkest moments when I really don't

687
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: want to do any of these techniques, so of the

688
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: time indoors, I just go out, and I just go

689
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: out and preferably walk uphill, because I feel like when

690
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: you walk uphill, your heart rate raises obviously, and because

691
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: of that effort, you're even more present, so even less

692
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: time for your thoughts to consume you, so you're like

693
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: fully present. And then when you get to a certain

694
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: point high at the top, you feel good about yourself

695
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: because you've done something, You're in the nature, You're dedicated

696
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: time to yourself. So I feel like that's super powerful,

697
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: and it's oftentimes very underestimated.

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Speaker 2: The reason why I love hearing about your practice is

699
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: just because I think I think an athlete's mind is

700
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Speaker 2: one of the most unique places on Earth because when

701
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: you're dealing with extremes every day and every week, and

702
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 2: both extremes are being number one and then losing a game,

703
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: and you know everything that goes on, the toolkit you

704
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: have is one of the most versatile toolkits. And that's

705
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Speaker 2: why I asked that question, was just to understand what

706
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Speaker 2: you do. I was going to ask you, like, I

707
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: feel like one of the most challenging things. And you

708
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: probably remember this when you're the new kid on the

709
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Speaker 2: block and you're playing all the legends and today you're

710
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Speaker 2: the legend and you're playing the new kids on the block,

711
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Speaker 2: and it must be such a fascinating experience to go through.

712
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Speaker 2: And when you're talking about the power of letting go

713
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Speaker 2: and the power of surrender, right, I wanted to talk

714
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Speaker 2: to us about that, Like, what did it feel like

715
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Speaker 2: when you were the new kid on the block and

716
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Speaker 2: you were playing your legends that you looked up to,

717
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Speaker 2: and now you're the legend, You're you're the number one

718
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Speaker 2: playing the new kids on the block, Like, what does

719
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Speaker 2: that mentally look like?

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Speaker 1: It's a completely different feeling obviously, and different perspective. I

721
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Speaker 1: mean when you're a teenager coming up, and then you

722
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Speaker 1: know you're in a dream land when you are just

723
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Speaker 1: sharing a locker room with the legends of the game

724
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Speaker 1: or the guys that you look up to, your biggest

725
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: rivals becoming your biggest rivals later on. But at that

726
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: point their heroes, they're like, why gosh, I mean these guys,

727
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Speaker 1: I've seen them on the TV, and now I'm that

728
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Speaker 1: ar I mean, look, my idol growing up was Pete Tampress.

729
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Speaker 1: And even though Pete Pete's game and my game are

730
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Speaker 1: quite different, I don't know. I loved his demeanor. I

731
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Speaker 1: loved his ability to cope with the pressure and how

732
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Speaker 1: he was coming up with the best tennis when it

733
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Speaker 1: mattered the most, and that was a kind of a

734
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Speaker 1: sign of the greatest champion. I mean, he was holding

735
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Speaker 1: a record for most slams in week's number one, et

736
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Speaker 1: cetera for a long time until Roger came and Rapha

737
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Speaker 1: of course, and then of course paved the way, and

738
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Speaker 1: then you know, looking up to them as well. Even

739
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Speaker 1: Nadal is only a year older than me, but he

740
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Speaker 1: made a breakthrough earlier than I did. It's already for

741
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Speaker 1: a couple of years he was on the tour when

742
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Speaker 1: I started coming in and he was already number tween

743
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Speaker 1: the world, multiple slam winner, and et cetera. So of

744
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: course it was kind of a surreal experience for me,

745
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: and I tried to enjoy it and embrace it, but

746
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: at the same time, I felt like, Okay, it's great

747
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 1: to share the court with these guys, but I want

748
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: to beat them, you know, I want to get the

749
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: biggest titles. I want to be number one, I want

750
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Speaker 1: to dominate. So I think that the first kind of

751
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: that wave that I was writing on helped me to

752
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: win my first Slam when I was nineteen in Australia

753
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Speaker 1: Australian Open in twenty eight. And then I won a

754
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Speaker 1: couple of big tournaments and so forth. I reached the

755
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Speaker 1: number two in the world, but you know, I still

756
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: wasn't number one. And then I had a three year

757
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: period I didn't win a Slam. I was winning some

758
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: big tournaments, but I couldn't win a Slam. These two

759
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: guys were beating me in every big match, feather and adult.

760
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Speaker 1: I changed rackets, you know, team members. I did everything

761
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Speaker 1: I can to kind of find the right formula. Now

762
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: struggling physically as well, I wasn't. You know. That's where

763
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Speaker 1: I actually I had my transformative journey nutrition wise, where

764
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Speaker 1: I took out the gluten and dairy products and refined sugar.

765
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Speaker 1: Up to that point, I was eating all of these things, thinking, well,

766
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Speaker 1: I'm eating relatively healthy. I mean relatively healthy. I thought,

767
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, that's what I know. But then, you know,

768
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: when I started working with this doctor and he pointed out,

769
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, you have strong gluten intolerance and messes up

770
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Speaker 1: with you. You got to take that out. You got

771
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Speaker 1: to take out the dairy product because that creates a

772
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: lot of inflammation in your body. You might be able

773
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: to eat it later on, but not now. And refined

774
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: sugar absolutely no. So that was a huge change. But

775
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: I committed to it, and then I felt that affected me.

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00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: In fact, my mental clarity, my recovery was much better,

777
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: my decision making on the court was better, et cetera.

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00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: So that helped a lot, and of course mentally as well.

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00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: I was working on certain programs that I had from

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Speaker 1: you know, that were kind of not really very positive

781
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: and not really serving the purpose on the court of

782
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: winning a match. So that year in twenty ten twenty eleven,

783
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: is when I experienced a huge boost of energy and

784
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Speaker 1: transformation and that change an unbeaten round of forty plus

785
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: matches and had three slams and became number one and

786
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: had won the best season in my life. And that's

787
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Speaker 1: where everything started going in the upwards direction for me.

788
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: And learning also from these guys and the matches that

789
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: we've played against each other was something that was extremely

790
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: important for me at the time. I was, of course

791
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: trying to consume as much as I can this energy

792
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: of the center court and everything, and it was overwhelming

793
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: at times. But I was also very thorough in my

794
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: analysis of the matches afterwards, even though I don't necessarily

795
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: like to watch matches that I lost. But you know,

796
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant used to talk about this a lot, and

797
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: when I was talking to him personally about that, he

798
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: would because I tell him, Kobe, I really don't like,

799
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Speaker 1: you know, watching myself perform bad or when I lost,

800
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: and it just gives me this cramps in my stomach

801
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: and I don't like it. And he said, even if

802
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: it's just specific intervals of the match that you lost

803
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: that you want to watch, that, you definitely look at

804
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: that and you need to analyze that and you need

805
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: to go through that cramping feeling because that's where you

806
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: learn from those those mistakes, and that's where you have

807
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: an opportunity to rectify that the next next tournament or

808
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: next match and so forth. So that helped a lot.

809
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: And I do watch the matches that I lost and

810
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: highlights in certain parts, but I never watch the last point.

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00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch the point where my opponent,

812
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, fist pumps and raises his hands. I just

813
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: maybe it's I don't know, it's a superstition or not,

814
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: but it's just some kind of a feeling that I have.

815
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just you know, those rivalries reallyp me

816
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: into the person I am, into the player that I am,

817
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: and definitely grateful for everything that I experience with these guys.

818
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: And now the flip, now when you're playing the younger.

819
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: Well, now the flip is obviously an interesting experience for

820
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: me because when Feather and Nadal and Murray, my biggest

821
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: rivals retired actually most recently in the in the last

822
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: year or two, part of me left with them. And

823
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: I really feel that because and I thought, well, it's

824
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: not going to be difficult for me to kind of

825
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: shift my attention in terms of who are my principal

826
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: rivals on the tour from them to someone else, But

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Speaker 1: you know, it is it is tough because you know,

828
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Speaker 1: I'm used to these names, these guys, these faces for

829
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: twenty years, and then new faces come in and it's normal,

830
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: how can I say, evolution of our sport, And it's

831
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: normal that you have new generations that are kind of

832
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: come in and dominate the tour. I'm experience and seeing

833
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: something I have never experienced before, but that's also fine.

834
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to embrace this journey. But also

835
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: I think what is very important to me personally and

836
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: what I have expressed directly to all of my basically

837
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: rivals currently today, the young guys who are going to

838
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: be the carriers of the tennis for the next decade,

839
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: is that I'm here for them to share my experience,

840
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: even though it's difficult because we're facing each other, but

841
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: I still feel that in a way, that's also my role,

842
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: it's also my responsibility, and it's also a great opportunity

843
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: for me to do that because it really fills my

844
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: heart with joy that I'm able to convey my experience

845
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: is my knowledge, whatever that I can from my journey

846
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: to new generations because naturally the tennis should get better,

847
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: and we all want tennis to get better, to be better,

848
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: and I want somebody to break my record in the future,

849
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: all of the records. Why not. I mean, this is

850
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: how it should be. If I can contribute in a

851
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: way where I can say, hey, a side of the

852
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: barriers that we created in a rivalry. If you need

853
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,280
Speaker 1: help with I don't know, public relations, if it's you know, marketing,

854
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: if it's dealing with the outside world as well, that

855
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: is very difficult, dealing with anxiety. We all have that,

856
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, we all know how it is to feel alone,

857
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: you let yourself down or you let other people down.

858
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: Mental challenges in a high level professional sport are one

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00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: hundred percent present with everyone. It's just a matter of

860
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: how you deal with it, who you have in your

861
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: support system that can help you. So I feel like

862
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,919
Speaker 1: it was great when I was able as a kid

863
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: to ask some of the guys who were playing at

864
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: the top level, you know, some of the questions that

865
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 1: were interesting me, and that just hearing from them two

866
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: or three sentences of how they think that they were

867
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: dealing with it and how that affected them was huge

868
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: to me, even if you heard it from someone else,

869
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: but just hearing it from them, it just has this

870
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 1: resonant power and impact and it did help me a lot.

871
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have it from my top rivals at the time,

872
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: but I had it from some guys like even Yubii

873
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: for example, who was, you know, a fellow creation tennis player,

874
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: and he was number three or four in the world

875
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: at that point, and then I was breaking through as

876
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: a teenager and we shared the same tennis coach. He

877
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: influenced me in a positive way to like change the

878
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: racket or string pattern or strings and all of these

879
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 1: small details that you might not think that are maybe

880
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: relevant or but you hear them. You hear it from them,

881
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: and then you're like, Okay, now I'm ready to make

882
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 1: the decision because I trust what he tells me, because

883
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, he is a testament to what he's preaching. Basically.

884
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so interesting because I love that you offered that.

885
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: I was talking to Carmelo Anthony recently, the basketball player

886
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: if you had, the next you know, very successful Hall

887
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: of Fame, and he was telling me that in basketball

888
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: he doesn't find the young players being that open to

889
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: coaching and guidance from the senior players. How do you

890
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: find it in tennis? Is it more open?

891
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: Is there?

892
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: Did you get people coming back and saying, Novak, I

893
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: have loads of questions for you.

894
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would agree with that with Carmelo because also

895
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: in tennis, because it's an individual sport as well, it

896
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: makes it even more isolated solitude sport where you are

897
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: focused on your team and you create your own environment, community,

898
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: and you're like excluding everything else, which is understandable, you

899
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: know to some point. Contrary to let's say basketball, we

900
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: do share the locker room, so we're sitting next to

901
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: each other or warming up next to each other writing

902
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: finals for the biggest tournament, which is crazy to think

903
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: about it, you know, whereas you know, obviously the basketball

904
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: or football soccer, you know, these guys that don't see

905
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: each other until they actually on the court, We you know,

906
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: look at each other, send each other looks. Our team

907
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: members send each other looks in the locker room and stuff.

908
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: So the battle starts already there. So from that point

909
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: of view, it's kind of hard to expect that they

910
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: would come and say, hey, look, you know, give me

911
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: some advice. How can I beat you. But that's why

912
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, there's many more other things that can

913
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,919
Speaker 1: be very helpful, like outside of the court. And yes,

914
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: there are some young players that are how can I say, open,

915
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: more flexible, more curious, And I think it's maybe not

916
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: so much about that, but it's about how shy you

917
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: are or how courageous you are to really, you know,

918
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: break that boundary and not be afraid of coming to

919
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: me or to someone that you look up to and say, hey,

920
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: can I ask you a question? You know, more often

921
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: I would get questions through their team members to my

922
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: team members, to me and so, and then I would

923
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: approach them and say, hey, you can you know you

924
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: can talk to me, there's no problem. Yeah, yeah, but

925
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to bother you and stuff

926
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, I think it's very nice if

927
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: you have that exchange, even if it's a short one,

928
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: because the level of appreciation and respect, which I think

929
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: is ultimately the most important thing in sports. You know, Yes,

930
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: we all want to win, Yes we all want to

931
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: be the best. Yes we all want to make records

932
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: in history, but appreciating what your fellow athlete goes through, compassionate,

933
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: being compassionate and empathizing with him or her and respecting

934
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:38,479
Speaker 1: the process is something that is more eternal in your heart,

935
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: in your soul, and in the eyes of all the

936
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: other people than any achievement or any success. I mean,

937
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: that's at least how I see it.

938
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: I love that I can agree with you more because

939
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 2: I always try to remind people that the only person

940
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 2: who can truly relate to you is that person like

941
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: your competitors exactly, the only people who can actually relate

942
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: to what it feels like to be you, because your

943
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 2: team they can't fully relate. Of course they can relate.

944
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: They play tennis and they understand the game, but they

945
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: don't know what it feels like to be in that

946
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: locker room before you go on to be at the

947
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: net when the score is not in your favor, Like

948
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: even I talk about it, even in our industry, like

949
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: I like to be friends with everyone in my industry,

950
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 2: and I like to connect with anyone that you genuinely

951
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: get along with, because for me, I'm like, you're the

952
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: only person who understands what it feels like to interview people,

953
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: to get the public criticism, to have the scrutiny, to

954
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: be careful about what you're saying to you know, whatever

955
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 2: it may be. And if I'm not friends with you,

956
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: I have my friends from back home in London who

957
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: I loved and my best friends, but they don't know

958
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: what it feels like to do this, and so in

959
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,959
Speaker 2: this part of my life there's a difference. I wonder

960
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: with you, you've been through and I don't want to

961
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 2: talk about some really pivotal moments. You've been through so

962
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: many injuries, losses, all of that. At this point in

963
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: your career, when you've achieved so much, you've been through

964
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 2: so much. What goes through your mind when you lose?

965
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: Now answer that, but just want to reflect on what

966
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: you said on the industry, because I think it's super important.

967
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: And that's the mentality, the right kind of mentality, and

968
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: the philosophy of instead of division, it's unity, its collaboration,

969
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: it's understanding, its support, its respect, its appreciation. It's coming together,

970
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: it's growing industry together, understanding that you're all, Yes, you

971
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: are competitors. I mean even in your industry, you compete

972
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: for the audience and so forth. And there's a lot

973
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: of you know, podcasts out there, and it's understandable to

974
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: a certain point that you know, there are certain formulas

975
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: that you developed and tools that you want to keep

976
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: to yourself, which is one hundred percent understandable. But at

977
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: the same time, overall, in a general perspective of things,

978
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: we are part of the same industry. We need to grow,

979
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: We need to grow this awarenes So that's how I

980
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: also see it for tennis. You know, in sports even

981
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: more so, competent and the kind of a fierce mentality

982
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 1: is so prominent, to the point where, like, for example,

983
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: in basketball, I love basketball. You know, Serbia is a

984
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: country of basketball, is our you know, national sport number one.

985
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: And you have intentionally, maybe in the midst of a

986
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: battle under the rim fighting for a rebound, hurt somebody

987
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: and that's somebody you elbowed somebody, okay, and that somebody

988
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: is down and you can see him in pain, and

989
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: you don't come and give him a hand and say,

990
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: hey man, sorry, let's go. I don't see how that

991
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: exposes your weakness, because I think that's in the center

992
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:46,439
Speaker 1: of everything. It's like, don't show your weakness, don't show

993
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: your verlnerability. Be strong, be tough, whatever. Of course, we

994
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: have to be tough, be strong, be whatever. Be fierce

995
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: in terms of like wanting to win and finding a

996
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: way to win, But that doesn't mean that we can

997
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: be also human being that Hey, if I did something

998
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: to you in a contact sport like basketball, if it's

999
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: a foul or something like that, Hey, you just give

1000
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: him a hand one second and says whatever, let's go,

1001
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: let's keep it going. That doesn't mean that you will

1002
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: not battle in the next minute. Againeah. So that's the

1003
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: part which I don't really understand fully or don't support it.

1004
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: But that's why I feel like coming together and really

1005
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: showing that respect, even if it's you know, before the

1006
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: game and after the game, it really resonates with people.

1007
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: It does scent overall a good message, and I think

1008
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: it improves the sport and brings people more together. Now

1009
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: to your question about losing a match, right, that was.

1010
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like at this stage of your career, I feel

1011
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 2: like you've obviously we've talked about it, you're satisfied, you've succeeded,

1012
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: You've come back from like being down on points, and

1013
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get into your mindset just where it's

1014
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 2: at today and how it's evolved over time, Like what

1015
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 2: does it feel now when you lose, have an early exit.

1016
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: What does that feel like now compared to before?

1017
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: As hard as as hard as it was before. Yeah,

1018
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 1: sometimes there is no rule. Sometimes it takes me an hour,

1019
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: sometimes a half a day, sometimes a day, sometimes a

1020
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: week to go over the loss. I mean, it just

1021
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: really depends. But right after the match, you know, I

1022
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: would if I have to reflect shortly about the match

1023
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: with my team, but I just want to be left alone. Yeah,

1024
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: I just have to go through my process. I don't

1025
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: like the chit chat, the small talk of trying to

1026
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: lift my spirits up right after the match. I just like,

1027
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: just give me some time. I need to isolate myself.

1028
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: Go in my room, go outside, walk whatever it is,

1029
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, just blow some steam out. And then when

1030
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: I do that, then I'm ready to you know, talk,

1031
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: socialize and stuff like this. I don't know whether that's

1032
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: something that is good or not in general terms terms,

1033
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: but that's just me. I feel like it's really hard

1034
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: for me to digest that I lost the match. As

1035
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: I said, sometimes sax longer, sometimes shorter to get out

1036
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: of it. But I do need definitely, like a few

1037
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: hours to not see anybody, like I hug my kids,

1038
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: if I say my kids. You know, my kids sometimes

1039
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: within those few hours they get me and they're like, Betty,

1040
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: we have to do this. You have to take me

1041
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: there and stuff. So kids have that permission to come

1042
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: into my space, but you know, anybody else, I just

1043
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: need some time, and I just feel like it's sometimes

1044
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: it's necessary to have that, and in solitude is not

1045
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: necessarily bad. And I feel like we all need to

1046
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: learn how to embrace being in solitude and being by

1047
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: and enjoy being by ourselves. Doesn't mean that we have

1048
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: to go to total extreme, but it has to be

1049
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: balanced and optimal. But we need to create that time

1050
00:58:55,120 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: for ourselves because also being bored is good. This is

1051
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: something very interesting, you know that I also see with

1052
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: my with my kids, like particularly with my son keeps

1053
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: on telling me he's ten and he's like daddy, Like

1054
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: he just recently told me. A few days ago, we

1055
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: were that my parents plays countryside by the lake, and

1056
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: we were alone and he was we were playing different

1057
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: we were playing ping pong, we were doing some kayaking

1058
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: in the lake. So we played some football soccer. So

1059
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: we kept a quite active few hours of the first

1060
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: few hours of the day. And then I was doing

1061
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: something else. I don't know what I was doing. And

1062
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: then he up comes up to me. It's like, Daddy,

1063
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm bored. And then I had him sit down with

1064
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: me and I said the son, it's okay to be

1065
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: bored sometimes. First of all, you had a great active

1066
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: morning and you did a lot of things. And second

1067
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: of all, you know when you're bored, it doesn't mean

1068
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: that you have to instantly take a book or a

1069
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: screen or anything else. You need to also learn how

1070
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: to be with your thoughts. And if you are not

1071
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: comfortable being bored indoors, go outdoors, sit on a chair

1072
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: and have some drink and just look at the sky.

1073
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's much easier said than done. And

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01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 1: I really would love my children to be able to

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01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: be okay with being bored, because that's the time when

1076
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: you're actually most creative, or that's the time where you

1077
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: can manage your thoughts and everything that you have been

1078
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: suppressing by distracting yourself with phone, with whatever it is.

1079
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 1: They don't have my kids or have phones. They're ten

1080
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: and seven, and that's another conversation. But you know, it's

1081
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: a struggle, but it's important, you know. I think it's

1082
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: super important, particularly for them at this young age, to

1083
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: understand and develop a connection with nature, with outdoors, with activity,

1084
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: with all these things. And then it's inevitable, you know,

1085
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: soon it will come a moment where they'll have the

1086
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: screen and will they're blend into the society's norms. And

1087
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: but at least I'll be comfortable as a parent that

1088
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: I've done what I can to instill some of the

1089
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:14,959
Speaker 1: foundational things in them that they will appreciate, maybe not now,

1090
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Speaker 1: but later on in life. I think also, you know,

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Speaker 1: when I lose a match, I want to be distructed

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01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: by something. I want to have my phone, I want

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01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: to watch something, read something I want to I want

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01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: to distruct myself. And that's one of the bad habits

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01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: that I have. So it's a battle for me. And normally,

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01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: how I win this battle is just go outside and

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01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: I either don't take my phone, I'll leave it, or

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Speaker 1: if I take it, I'll just if I'm in the city,

1099
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: I'll just listen to something, listen to Jay Setty's podcast

1100
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: on purpose, or I would do something, you know, just

1101
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: or normally I would listen to a music, you know, relaxing,

1102
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: just to kind of calm myself. I would prefer not

1103
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: listening to anything and just being immersed in whatever is

1104
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: outdoors and trying to find a park, trying to find

1105
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: anything natural, you know. And I think that helps a lot,

1106
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: but I do need my time.

1107
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's reaffirming for me because if I'm having a

1108
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: tough time, I've always found that being alone, I have

1109
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: to first make sense of how I feel about something

1110
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 2: before I hear everyone else's feelings, right, because otherwise someone's

1111
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 2: feeling won't satisfy me. So even if someone said and

1112
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: I assume that's what you're saying, if someone came up

1113
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: to it and goes, oh, but Jay, but everything's going to

1114
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 2: be all right, it's like, if I don't feel that,

1115
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: and if I don't believe that, it doesn't matter how

1116
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: many times someone says.

1117
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: And of course the intention is good, of course a person,

1118
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: but it's hard for you to see that at a

1119
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: given moment. So I agree with that, and I think

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Speaker 1: to the point of distractions, I don't think that necessarily

1121
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: distractions are one hundred percent super negative. And I'll explain.

1122
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: I think that for a lot of people, they need

1123
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Speaker 1: a moment. However, that moment lasts two. It looks like

1124
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: they're distracting themselves, like when I do it, But what

1125
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: I do is just bringing myself back to that center

1126
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: whatever that is, okay, and then I'm ready to do

1127
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: some other practice of breathing or whatever it is, or

1128
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: I can socialize, I can start speaking with people and

1129
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: do other things. So I don't feel it's necessarily bad

1130
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: unless you don't have any control of it, unless it

1131
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: just carries you into hours and hours of playing games

1132
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: or being on social media of being If it's that,

1133
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: then it's not good. Then it's not good because then

1134
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 1: you're disrupting your own rhythm.

1135
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 2: Well, what you're doing is you're disrupting the pattern so

1136
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 2: instead of being there and then you're just playing the

1137
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 2: game again in your head and being down on yourself

1138
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: and being negative, and so you're disrupting that pattern with

1139
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 2: the distraction. And then that's a good thing because then

1140
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 2: you don't get into the spiral and it's not like

1141
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 2: you're checking what people said on the comments, right, you're

1142
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: disconnecting from.

1143
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: The game, disconnecting. Well, the thing is that if you're

1144
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: on social media, which I do have a tendency to

1145
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: go to social media as well, like right after even

1146
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: though I don't want to, but part of me wants to.

1147
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: It's also where I find some short clips of what

1148
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: happened in the match and then kind of like analyze

1149
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: what happened and how I why I did what I

1150
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,479
Speaker 1: did or whatever, what could I could could have done better?

1151
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: And then I see, you know, there's obviously there's these

1152
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: shocking headlines like Djokovic is out, you know, he lost.

1153
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean, what a shock early, blah blah blah. And

1154
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: then I get pissed off, and then I just switched

1155
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: that off, right, so I don't even get to the

1156
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: comments or section or anything like that. Then I just

1157
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: leave it for whatever whatever time. And then what you're

1158
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: doing is you are changing that state you're in, because

1159
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: if you are really wired in that moment, you are

1160
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: like almost going to burst. It's not good. I mean,

1161
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: how can you have a rational conversation with anybody if

1162
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: you're in that state? And then normally in that state,

1163
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: if you start making decisions when you're hot headed, not

1164
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: good as well. I think that these are the ways

1165
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: of like if you can cool yourself down, and then

1166
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: I mean a cold shower is something that I also

1167
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: do sometimes sort of got headed that I think also

1168
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: helps with kind of biology. And I feel like physiology

1169
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: just like helps my mind. My brain calm down and

1170
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: then I'm able to address topics that I want to address.

1171
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 2: It's almost like what it takes to be to emotionally regulate.

1172
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 2: And if you go straight into analyzing the game or

1173
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: talking about it, you're actually your heartbeats going up, You're

1174
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 2: breathing shallow again, you're replaying the misshot and all of

1175
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: a sudden you're just bombarded by all the same emotions again,

1176
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 2: and you've got to sometimes just calm that down before

1177
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 2: you can do that effectively. It makes a lot of

1178
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 2: sense exactly. But what I love here, which is what

1179
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 2: I love about all my favorite athletes, and you're definitely

1180
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: you know, when I think about my favorite athletes, You're

1181
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: in tennis, Christiano in soccer, Lewis Hamilton in f one.

1182
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: Like people sometimes will make fun of Kristiano online still

1183
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: crying when he loses. I love that, Like as a fan,

1184
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 2: I love that, Like I love to see that he's

1185
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 2: he's crying after all this time, Like you know, he's

1186
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: the number one goalscorer in the world, right, he's you know,

1187
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: in my opinion, he's achieved everything he possibly could. He's

1188
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: played amazing for his country, same way as you. But

1189
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 2: it's like he's still crying and the game's not even

1190
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 2: it's not the Champions League.

1191
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: He cares, Yeah, he cares, exactly he cares, And I

1192
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think, well, this is the point

1193
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: that we discussed on particularly men professional sports. There's no

1194
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: room for vulnerability, and because that shows weakness. Weakness exploits you.

1195
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: And when something exploits you, then you're vulnerable to you know,

1196
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: lose the match or game or whatever it is. And

1197
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: that's the narrative. When you are crying, you are, Yeah,

1198
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: you're You're often regarded as a very weak man. And

1199
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: I have had the same view for quite a long time,

1200
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: I must say, and I changed that about ten years ago.

1201
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: My upbringing, there was no room for emotions. I was

1202
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: just like serious, I have to do my job and

1203
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: I have to be successful, no room for error, et cetera.

1204
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: But it also, you know, comes from I think my home,

1205
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: where I didn't have that relationship where I when I

1206
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 1: would cry, I would be you know with my father

1207
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: especially that I would feel safe. I would not feel that,

1208
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: and so I had to not cry and be tough,

1209
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: and then I have to I kind of close myself,

1210
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, and to the point where I wasn't able

1211
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: to express myself emotional didn't the time when I started

1212
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: dating my girlfriend at the time my wife, you know,

1213
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,440
Speaker 1: it was hard for me to kind of pressed what

1214
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: I feel. Even though I'm a very talkative person, I

1215
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: very you know, I like to communicate and I feel

1216
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: like I'm very approachable that in that sense. But for

1217
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: a long time that that was a kind of an artist,

1218
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: particularly in you know, men's sports, as we talked about it.

1219
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 1: So I do like that about Cristiana as well, because

1220
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, he's giving

1221
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: his heart out on the pitch for his team, for

1222
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: the fans, and that ultimately needs to be respected because

1223
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 1: the guy at his age forty, after everything he has achieved,

1224
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: still going, still wants to win in a league that

1225
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: is far weaker than the best leagues in Europe, you know,

1226
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: but he still has this champions mentality and he'll always

1227
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: have it as long as he's playing. So yeah, absolutely

1228
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: credit to him for that, and I do resonate with

1229
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: with that, and I cried many times after my losses

1230
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: in the locker room, but also on the court, particularly

1231
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:02,759
Speaker 1: after Olympics, like losses at Olympic Games for my country

1232
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 1: or Davis Cup. When I play for my country, that's

1233
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: like even stronger intensity of emotions that you go through

1234
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: because you're not playing for yourself only in that way.

1235
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 1: I mean, when I play all the tournaments, I always

1236
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: represent my country, but here in this official team competitions

1237
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: or Olympics, it's even more emphasized the importance of your country,

1238
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: of wearing those colors, you know, on your sleeve or

1239
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: in your heart. So when you lose your life, you

1240
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 1: know your soul down and the whole world collapsed. I'm

1241
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: very happy that I was able to win the golden

1242
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: medal for my country last year in Paris Olympics because

1243
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: there was a long time dream of mine and the

1244
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: Olympic Games are just so special, you know, every four years.

1245
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: I know LA is the next one. Obviously, my wish

1246
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: is to be able to play LA. I mean hopefully

1247
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,600
Speaker 1: I'll be still still playing, to be able to participate.

1248
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope so too. Be fun. Yeah watch you

1249
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: locally for one for sure. And we got this soccer

1250
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 2: world come into America too, So it's an exciting time,

1251
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 2: but no, it's I love hearing that as well. Just

1252
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 2: like when you're playing for yourself, you let yourself down,

1253
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 2: you let the fans down. But when you're playing for

1254
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 2: your country, you let the country down. And you know,

1255
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 2: no one wants to let their country down. No one

1256
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: wants to you know, everyone wants to represent well. And

1257
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: I think sometimes at a national level, athletes get it

1258
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: really tough when you lose for your country. Yes, it's

1259
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 2: one of the hardest feelings because yeah, it's a different emotion,

1260
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 2: and I think we forget as fans and followers, you

1261
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 2: forget the human experience.

1262
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, look, we are very

1263
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: blessed as athletes on the highest level to be able

1264
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:46,839
Speaker 1: to play the sport that we fell in love with, because,

1265
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 1: if not all, but super majority of professional athletes play

1266
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: those sports on the highest level because when they were kids,

1267
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: they wanted to play tennis, basketball, football, whatever, fell in

1268
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: love and it's love and passion for the game that

1269
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: got you going. So it's important to state that because

1270
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, we are for sure fortunate ones. But at

1271
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: the same time we feel that through sport we are

1272
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: able to connect with people, and people are able to

1273
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: connect with the virtues that sport and the values that

1274
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: sport represents that help them in their everyday life. I

1275
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: think that that's not something that has been talked about

1276
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 1: a lot. And how why is it that our sports

1277
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 1: are so popular. Why is it that people relate to athletes.

1278
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: It's because of this grit, because of this battle. We

1279
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: all go through internal battle on the daily basis. And

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Speaker 1: in sports we can, of course admire the features of

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01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: an athlete and the skills and the talent and the abilities,

1282
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: but at the same time we also identify ourselves with

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01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: those athletes, like, wow, you know, this game or a match,

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01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: it's in a way a condensed daily life or a

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01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: condensed life into an hour two or three where you

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01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: start at the beginning, you're even then you end up,

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01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, winning or losing. But in the process or

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01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: journey of the match and the game, you're going through

1289
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: ups and downs. You're going and particularly in individual sports,

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01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: you're going you mentioned Louis Hamilton, another great legend, You're

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01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: going through that battle of you know, trying to win,

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01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 1: that inner battle where you go through your doubts, your worries,

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01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: your fears. So all of these elements are part of

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01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: everyday life of everyday person. And that's why I feel

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01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 1: like people relate to sports. And then also they when

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01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: they go to see sport live particularly, but also when

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01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: they watch it in TV, I feel they're able because

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01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: they they are so connected to the community of that

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01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: club or that athlete or whatever it is. They feel

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01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: like all of their problems stop at least for those

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01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: hour two three hours that they are watching, and they

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01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: feel like they can also when they're watching. I mean,

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01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,879
Speaker 1: that's my observation and experience with tennis fans for example,

1304
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: or I mean, of course I watched basketball football live

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01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 1: as well, or the other fans of the other sports.

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01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:27,800
Speaker 1: Is that's where they feel like they can free themselves

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01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: of the emotions and the burdens that they're kind of

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01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: wearing them down. And sometimes it really goes to an

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01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: extreme level where people start really or swearing and fighting

1310
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: and throwing stuff at the athletes and behaving really bad

1311
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: like hooligans. And that's obviously a part that I don't support,

1312
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 1: but I can see that there's a lot of people

1313
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: that are like That's why. That's why, like after again,

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01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 1: they either feel drained or they feel energized. They either

1315
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: feel like they've kind of like collect did that energy

1316
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: from the stadium, or they feel like they're completely like

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01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: a deflated balloon because they've you know, been through crazy

1318
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: intensity of the emotions and they relate, They follow every

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01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: point and every second of the game, and then they

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01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: in the end. Of course, if the team loses, it's

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01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 1: a big difference than when they win. But it's just

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01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: that identification that happens that I feel like it's super

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01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: strong and why sports are so important for the society

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01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: and why people regard it as something very popular and

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01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: important for them.

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Speaker 2: And I'm really glad you're having that conversation because I

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01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 2: think it can have even as a kid like I

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01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: grew up playing sport, never you know, good enough to

1329
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 2: play any semi professional even professional level, but sport created

1330
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 2: discipline in my life, even as someone who wasn't you

1331
01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 2: know that prolificate. Sport created discipline, created teamwork if you

1332
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 2: were playing a team. Sport created timeliness, credit, commitment, created

1333
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 2: showing up. There were so many healthy, valuable masks in

1334
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 2: traits as well that were so important and of course

1335
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 2: for women as well. And it's interesting what you say

1336
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 2: about it going the toxic side, because I think it

1337
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 2: was the last Euros of the World Cup and there

1338
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 2: was this statistic about how domestic violence in England goes

1339
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 2: up if England lose, but it goes up even more

1340
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 2: if England win because people drink more when they win.

1341
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 2: And that's just so shocking that you see that connection too,

1342
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 2: And that's why I think it's even more important to

1343
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 2: get these positive messages through sport out so that we

1344
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 2: don't have that kind of a statistic because that's specifically

1345
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 2: to do with football. Soccer, yes, of.

1346
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 1: Course, but it is super important, I think. But in

1347
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: football it's far more extreme than in tennis. In terms

1348
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,520
Speaker 1: of the tennis fans are a bitter of fans and

1349
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: you know the kind of like following and being such

1350
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: an ultra devoted fan. I mean they literally live for

1351
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: that the entire year, which I think is beautiful. When

1352
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: you see choreographies of some fans in the basketball games

1353
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: or football games and it's just it's arts. It's beautiful,

1354
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 1: you know. And then this energy when thousands and tens

1355
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: of thousands of people start singing together it's for their club.

1356
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's incredible feeling. That's why we all love

1357
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 1: being present to experience that because ultimately human beings love

1358
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: to experience things, yes, that that feels our life, and

1359
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: then sports allow us to do that. It allow us

1360
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:42,799
Speaker 1: to experience some incredible enthusiastic, exhilarating type of uplifting energy, joy.

1361
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: But it also the sadness or anxiousness and stuff, and

1362
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: so all of these emotions that you go through is

1363
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: just an incredible school of life in some way. But

1364
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 1: you're right, you know, it also teaches professional sports teach

1365
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: great great deal of discipline. Also the never giving up

1366
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: spirit that I think it's it's it's important for people

1367
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: because today in the society, because a lot of people

1368
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: look to conform, to be comfortable to you know, there's

1369
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: always you know, something that I can do Differently, they

1370
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: don't finish things. So it's important to kind of remind

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01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 1: yourself to be devoted and not give up and believe

1372
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: that you can, you know, achieve something that you set

1373
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:31,080
Speaker 1: yourself up to. And so, yeah, sports sports definitely send

1374
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: those values, and you're right, it's important to always emphasize that.

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01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of my favorite stories actually of that never

1376
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 2: give up mindset was Vanessa Bryant tells this story after

1377
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,759
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant tragically passed away. And she said that Kobe

1378
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 2: played through a lot of games, especially finals, when he

1379
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 2: was injured, and she would ask him and say, why

1380
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 2: you playing when you're injured? You should just not play

1381
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 2: like it's okay. And you would say that if I

1382
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: don't play, there's going to be a fan out there

1383
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,640
Speaker 2: who's saved up to watch this game, and they can

1384
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 2: only come to one game in their life because it's

1385
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 2: expensive to get seats, and they saved up to watch

1386
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: me play, and if I don't play, they won't see

1387
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 2: me play. And so I'm going to play through an injury.

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01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 2: And I'm like, when you hear stories like that of

1389
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 2: athletes doing incredible things, you think, wow, Like that's the power,

1390
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 2: that's the motivation. I was going to ask you, I mean,

1391
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 2: you've played through and overcome some bad injuries. What's the

1392
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:35,360
Speaker 2: worst injury that you ever had to overcome to be

1393
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 2: able to come back at the top.

1394
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: I had a surgery of my elbow back in twenty seventeen,

1395
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: and I've kind of had that injury for a year

1396
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 1: and half and I tried with I don't normally drink

1397
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: anti inflammatories. I don't like those top tablets and courtes

1398
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: on shots or anything like that. I feel like that's

1399
01:18:55,160 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 1: only masking the problem. But you know, sometimes if you

1400
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 1: really you know, in tennis, we sometimes play five six

1401
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 1: days in a row and you have no other option,

1402
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: and if you want to stay alive in the tournament,

1403
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: you have to do it. So I've done it for

1404
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: like a year or something with playing under these pills,

1405
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 1: like every single match, to the point where I didn't

1406
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: feel pain anymore. Sorry, actually I felt the pain even

1407
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: if I was taking the full dose of anti inflammatories.

1408
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 1: And that's was the sign for me, like I have to,

1409
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, operate this. I have to do something different.

1410
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,759
Speaker 1: I made it kind of a little bit of a

1411
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: while to myself and I promised that I will not

1412
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: operate myself throughout my career, will not make any surgery.

1413
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 1: And that was I felt. I let myself down. I

1414
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,879
Speaker 1: cried for days that I accepted to do a surgery,

1415
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: but surgery was done very well. Yeah, because I felt

1416
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: like I let myself down. I said, you know, I

1417
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: wanted to go throughout my entire career without having one surgery.

1418
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 1: But it happened, and I had an arthroscopic interven on

1419
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: my knee last year. During a match in Roland, Garris.

1420
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: Actually fourth round I've won in five sets after four

1421
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: and something hours. But I was winning set and half

1422
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: comfortably in the last sixteen round and then I felt

1423
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: a click. It was something. It was very weird, and

1424
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: I never had an injury of the knee, luckily, at

1425
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: least that severe. And then you know, I started to play,

1426
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: but I could not stand on my leg and I

1427
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: was playing through the pain that I invited physio and

1428
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: a doctor and then you know, he was touching me

1429
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 1: in this spot where my meniscus is and I felt wow,

1430
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: and that's very painful. He's like, what do you want

1431
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,800
Speaker 1: to do? And I said, listen, you know, I want

1432
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 1: to give it a shot. I want to try. Just

1433
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 1: give me strongest painkillers you have right now because I'm

1434
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: on the court, full stadium. I can't just I want

1435
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,479
Speaker 1: to try. So that's what he's They've done, and after

1436
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,599
Speaker 1: thirty minutes they started kicking in and I was kind

1437
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: of surviving in these thirty minutes and then the pain

1438
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 1: went down. The pain was still there, but I went

1439
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: through it and I won the match and I actually

1440
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: finished the match with pretty good feeling. I still had pain,

1441
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: but It was pretty good feeling and I was like

1442
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 1: confident for my quarterfinals it was coming up in two days.

1443
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: But the next day I went for an MRI and

1444
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: I saw I have a ruptured meniscus and basically had

1445
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 1: to be operated. So I pulled out on the tournament

1446
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: and I did that operation, and the Wimbledon was coming

1447
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: up in three weeks, and then my team was I

1448
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: still remember that conversation with my team on the rooftop

1449
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: and on the back of that story that you told

1450
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: me about Vanessa and Kobe. You know, Vanessa was telling Kobe,

1451
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 1: why do you play? Don't play like it's a normal

1452
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 1: protective advice from a dear person in your life. Same

1453
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 1: I got from all of my people, from my family

1454
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 1: members to my team members. And I remember my physio

1455
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 1: that I'm with for the last twenty years. It told me, yeah,

1456
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 1: you know, it's normally like four to six weeks and

1457
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,520
Speaker 1: stuff like this, but you know, we had some miraculous

1458
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: recoveries from some athletes. And my my phsio was sitting

1459
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,280
Speaker 1: on the on the rooftop of our hotel and old

1460
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: team was there, and he said, I know, you do

1461
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: not even think for a second you'll play Wimbledon, like

1462
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,719
Speaker 1: that's out of the question. Wow. And I didn't say anything.

1463
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: All the team members agreed. I didn't say anything. Actually

1464
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 1: one thing I said. I said, I understand what you're saying,

1465
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: but please, you know, for my own mental sanity, because

1466
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,960
Speaker 1: it's Wimbledon, because it's always been a dream tournament, the

1467
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 1: most important tournament. Let's just see how it goes in

1468
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:37,560
Speaker 1: the next two weeks, because I have three weeks to

1469
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 1: the tournament, and I can pull out three, four or

1470
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: five days before the tournament, so I have like two

1471
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: two and a half weeks to play around. At that point,

1472
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 1: I was with crutches so long, so long story short,

1473
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 1: I've dedicated so much time in a day to recover

1474
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 1: and it was like a task for me to prove

1475
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: even the closest people in my team and family wrong

1476
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 1: that I can recover. And it was really a mission.

1477
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 1: And I recovered and I played finals, and I lost

1478
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: last year finals in Wimbledon, and then a week after

1479
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 1: they came to the Paris back again and played Olympics

1480
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 1: and won the gold medal. So it was the best

1481
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 1: period of my twenty twenty fourth season. Is when I

1482
01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 1: actually had a surgery a post surgery because something clicked

1483
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:25,599
Speaker 1: in my head where he triggered me my physio and said,

1484
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 1: do not even think. And for me, what I heard

1485
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: is Okay, thank you for giving me the task, because

1486
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: now I have a challenge on my hands. All I

1487
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,800
Speaker 1: needed is that, And actually that's what I need now.

1488
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: I feel like in this phase of my career, when

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to motivate myself and keep going and stuff,

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01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: I need a challenge. I think athletes in the highest

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01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: level after so long, they need to feel their challenge.

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01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: They need to feel that they are playing a game,

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01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: even though it's our job, but we need to feel

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01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 1: like somebody is going to say something. You want to

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01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: prove them wrong. Michael Jordan and his life Dance talking

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01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 1: about it, He's like, even if I didn't have anybody

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01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: in the crowds talking crap to me, but I still

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01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: picked someone and selected him as an enemy, and just

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01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: because I needed to create that enemy inside of my

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Speaker 1: head to get me going. So I actually relate to that,

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01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 1: even though I don't necessarily always look for enemies in

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01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: my every match in the crowd, but I had quite

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01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 1: an experience with tennis crowds over the years. In my career.

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01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,720
Speaker 1: Oftentimes when I would play with Nadal and Feather, most

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01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 1: of the times I would have most of the stadium

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01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: against me, so it would be challenging. But that's also

1507
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: part of why my mental toughness is as it is.

1508
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 1: In a kind of a hostile environment. Played most of

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01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: my matches and big matches, and I kind of had

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01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: to find a way to win a match and to

1511
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: use that energy as my fuel and not have it

1512
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: wear me down.

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01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 2: What does that take to do that? Because it sounds

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01:24:56,120 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 2: like that scrutiny is worse than an injury, worse that

1515
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 2: kind of hostile environment, hostility or injury.

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01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 1: Look, injury is the biggest enemy or an opponent of

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01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: an athlete. You can't do your job, you can't play

1518
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 1: your sport if you're injured, which proves the point of

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01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 1: self care even more, how important it is, how significantly

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01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: you have to address that and approach that in your

1521
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: daily life as an individual athlete particularly. But at the

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01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: same time, hostile environment is not ideal. I mean, you

1523
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: always want to be playing where you're celebrated cheered for

1524
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 1: of course it you know, it lifts you up in

1525
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 1: a tough moment when you're down it just but I

1526
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: learned in the somehow in the hostile environment to thrive,

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01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: and I've seen that, you know with like Kobe did

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01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: it as well, right Lebron. You know, other athletes as

1529
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 1: well in their respective sports talked about it and football

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01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: they experience it a lot.

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01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 2: People can relate to that. I think people always feel yeah,

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01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 2: even the average person constantly feels like there works a

1533
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,640
Speaker 2: hostile environment or yeah wherever, Like what allowed you to

1534
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:11,800
Speaker 2: use it as fuel consistently over that time to the

1535
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 2: point where people were cheering when you finally win.

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01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: Well, there are few things. First, I mentioned that already

1537
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: is using that as a fuel to prove somebody wrong,

1538
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: and that requires work mentally to be able to transform

1539
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 1: or transmute that energy or that cheering that is against you,

1540
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: to convince yourself it's for you. So I was saying

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01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 1: this years ago after I was playing I was playing

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01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: Feather in one of the Wimbledon finals. They were cheer

1543
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 1: Roger all the time, basically, so I've was convincing myself

1544
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: and I managed to convince myself, especially in the second

1545
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 1: part of the manage, that they were cheering no In

1546
01:26:56,240 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: or Novak Novak, I was that's what I was hearing

1547
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: wow and co and then and in my mind was

1548
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,960
Speaker 1: playing games, but I wasn't allowing it to play games

1549
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 1: with me. That basically was like, what are you talking about?

1550
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean, they're saying Roger and saying Novac, but I

1551
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, they're saying Novak, Novic, Novic, Novc.

1552
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 1: So I was using that as my own force and

1553
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 1: my own fuel. And then but that's it is possible.

1554
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: It is possible, but you need to you need to

1555
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 1: work on that and convincing yourself in something that is

1556
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: different from the reality that is actually happening, or basically

1557
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: in in other words, creating your own reality, because in

1558
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: the end of that's more philosophical question and spiritual whether

1559
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,640
Speaker 1: this is all one reality or it's a different We

1560
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: all experience different forms of reality of what's happening. So

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01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 1: creating your own reality and convincing yourself and basically training

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01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: your subconscious mind that this is exactly what you want

1563
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 1: to hear. It is possible, but it takes an effort,

1564
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: but it goes a long way because for everyday person,

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01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, you can tap into that subconscious mind that

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01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,719
Speaker 1: basically controls ninety five percent of your one hundred percent

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01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 1: daily life while you're awake, you know, five percent is

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01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 1: only I mean, I was shocked. And that's science. That's

1569
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 1: not me saying it's science that is saying that five

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01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: percent is only conscious mind ninety five is. I was

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01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: shocked when I heard that. It's like, how in the

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01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: world are we then able to live how we want

1573
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: to live? Where we are actually on an autopilot most

1574
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: of the time. And that explains the multitasking. That explains

1575
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,759
Speaker 1: why we can text and drive and drink and speak

1576
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 1: and do five things at the same time is because

1577
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:45,560
Speaker 1: of the subconscious. But subconscious is basically reacting to what

1578
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: you are instilling or uploading in that program. So I

1579
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: feel like when I was introduced to that subconscious mind science,

1580
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,280
Speaker 1: I was you know, I felt like I've changed myself

1581
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:04,799
Speaker 1: and my own perspective on things and how I approach

1582
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 1: life and performance and relationship. And I could see that.

1583
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: And I still make mistakes, and I still do plenty

1584
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: of mistakes, not on the tennis court or outside in

1585
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: relationship and everything. I'm more conscious and more aware where

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01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 1: it's coming from and why I did it. And I'm

1587
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: going to keep on doing mistakes. But I'll try to

1588
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 1: reduce those. And I feel like being in control is

1589
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: something that we all want to be in, Like we

1590
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,759
Speaker 1: want to control our thoughts, we want to control our lives,

1591
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: our partners, and we want to, but it's not possible

1592
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be the case. Like you can only

1593
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: control what you can, which is your own process internally.

1594
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,880
Speaker 1: And then how that comes across what I speak to

1595
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: you right now and what you think in your mind

1596
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: and how you hear my words is I can't control that,

1597
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 1: you know. I can only hope that I am emitting

1598
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 1: the right kind of energy and vibe to you and

1599
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 1: that we are creating something nice. That's what I feel like.

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01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: We all get trapped a lot. Is like, no, I'm

1601
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: going to prove you the point of what I was saying,

1602
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 1: and I'm going to tell you why you are causing

1603
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 1: this in me and so forth. So putting always a

1604
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 1: blame to someone else. And I mean I can feel

1605
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: that with tennis, is that I can instantly see the

1606
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 1: mistake when I actually say it's my coaches folder, it's

1607
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 1: my physios fold or my fitness coaches folder. It's whoever's

1608
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:30,160
Speaker 1: fold for me losing a match or me playing this way.

1609
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: So I always remind myself, Hey, take the responsibility in

1610
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: your hands, take the means in your hands. You are

1611
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: in control of your life. Maybe not fully, because there's

1612
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 1: always this destiny or divine purpose of us being here

1613
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 1: and the karma from past lives and etcetera. That's another conversation.

1614
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,680
Speaker 1: But what you can control focus on that. The other

1615
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: things is just you know, it's in God's hands and

1616
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 1: it's in the hands of other people and how that

1617
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: all interacts. But I believe that when you're training yourself

1618
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: to think good thoughts and it comes back to you,

1619
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:08,679
Speaker 1: it's the law of attraction and the law of giving

1620
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 1: and taking and it comes back. You know, you become

1621
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: what you think right, and so there's true power in that.

1622
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 2: No, that you've been so kind and generous with your time,

1623
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,200
Speaker 2: I've got a few more questions for you.

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01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:19,200
Speaker 1: You know.

1625
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:22,440
Speaker 2: I think you've talked so much about health, self care, discipline.

1626
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 2: I know that you have your new supplement out that

1627
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 2: I can't wait to try as well your hydration. Right

1628
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 2: it's called sela, which I love the meaning of if

1629
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 2: you can share what that means. But I love that

1630
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 2: you're finding a way to productize your mindset like I

1631
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 2: actually am, because I think people like myself who want

1632
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 2: to know what is that zero point zero zero zero

1633
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 2: one percent mindset and what are you discovering and taking?

1634
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 2: And you were just sharing it with me earlier. I

1635
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 2: was just thinking, I'm so excited about that to try

1636
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:54,839
Speaker 2: it out for myself because I try and treat myself

1637
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 2: like an athlete even if I'm not playing in the games.

1638
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,720
Speaker 2: You are because to me, I'm trying to operate at

1639
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 2: that mindset, that level physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and I

1640
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 2: love that. So I guess where did that come from?

1641
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 2: Was that this idea of you know, as you're thinking

1642
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 2: about tennis and thinking about beyond tennis, Like, where did

1643
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 2: that come from?

1644
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 1: I was always trying to think beyond tennis, you know,

1645
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: particularly well, particularly in the last I would say twelve

1646
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 1: to fifteen years of my career my life. I mean

1647
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: I because I was hearing early on from some other

1648
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:33,839
Speaker 1: not just tennis players, established tennis players who were retired

1649
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 1: and shared their experience of post career with me, but

1650
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:41,519
Speaker 1: also other athletes and how you know, the struggles they

1651
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 1: had mentally and particularly the struggles that they had if

1652
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,679
Speaker 1: they have not prepared themselves for that transition. I believe

1653
01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:52,600
Speaker 1: that in some way you cannot fully prepare yourself for

1654
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 1: that transition mentally, Like it's going to be a sad

1655
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 1: day for me when I leave tennis, and it's going

1656
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 1: to be very emotional and all that. But what I'm

1657
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: talking about is basically the adrenaline that also needs to

1658
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 1: be filtered or re channeled somewhere. And I know that

1659
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: I will play sports for the rest of my life

1660
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: because I love sports and being active is essential, but

1661
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 1: also I feel like you need a challenge. Tennis has

1662
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 1: consumed most of my life and that's what I know

1663
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: how to do best. But I have very broad interest

1664
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 1: in a lot of different things, and the industry or

1665
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:38,560
Speaker 1: the sphere of life, which is called health, wellness and

1666
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,679
Speaker 1: well being is my biggest passion. And it's very broad

1667
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 1: ecosystem or field if you want as you know because

1668
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,839
Speaker 1: you're part of it. But it has been my passion

1669
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:55,640
Speaker 1: for fifteen plus years. And you know, always imagine the

1670
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: world where most of the people will take care of themselves,

1671
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, how they hydrate, how they eat, exercise, how

1672
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:07,000
Speaker 1: they manage their sleep. Just the healthier world. And of

1673
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:11,200
Speaker 1: course it's hard to change everything at the same time,

1674
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 1: and it of course takes a lot of different time

1675
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,639
Speaker 1: because the planet is big and there's a lot of people.

1676
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: But I think taking small steps is very valuable and

1677
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:26,120
Speaker 1: it has its effect. So hydration is something that was

1678
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: always super important for me as a professional athlete, and

1679
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 1: I noticed that people who live everyday life, but not

1680
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: only then, but also athletes, don't really understand the importance

1681
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 1: of hydration and don't really understand maybe how to fully

1682
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: hydrate themselves on a cellular level. Because when we talk

1683
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 1: about hydration, obviously the first thing that comes to your

1684
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: mind is drink water. Right, We drink water. We have

1685
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: to survive a day without water, so that's normal. But

1686
01:34:56,439 --> 01:35:01,640
Speaker 1: then we also have all these other ingredients and vitamins

1687
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,639
Speaker 1: and minerals and things that we're trying to take, whether

1688
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 1: it's through supplementation, whether it's through food. Obviously, if you

1689
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 1: can get everything through food, it's the best. Brian Johnson

1690
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 1: I saw the other day one hundred and whatever tablets

1691
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:16,560
Speaker 1: that he's taking. I mean, I don't know how he

1692
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: does it. I mean amazing, but I don't think I

1693
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: would be able to drink and I don't want to

1694
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 1: drink that many tablets. I do have supplementation myself, but

1695
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,559
Speaker 1: I prefer trying to take everything through food. But it's

1696
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,880
Speaker 1: difficult because our soil is depleted. The food that we

1697
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: are getting is most of the time comes from the

1698
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 1: other remote side of the world, travels, it lost its nutrients,

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01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:43,280
Speaker 1: you know, and it's hard. You know, we have a

1700
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: polluted air, polluted water, polluted soil. All of these things,

1701
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, play an important role in the inflammatory processes

1702
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 1: in our body or how we ingest certain ingredients and

1703
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 1: substances that are necessary for optimal health. So going back

1704
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 1: to the hydration, I think hydration is probably the easiest

1705
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 1: step towards that healthier diet or healthier life, and it's

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01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 1: something that we cannot go without on a daily basis,

1707
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:21,600
Speaker 1: and something that is easy as breathing, that's something that

1708
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 1: everybody can do. Diet changes are something that is more challenging,

1709
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,040
Speaker 1: I think for people. And there are hundreds of different diets,

1710
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 1: and I don't want to get into it because everyone

1711
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 1: has their preference, but I think hydration is probably something

1712
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 1: that we will all agree with. So since twenty seventeen

1713
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: or eighteen, I've been working on this project, and I've

1714
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,320
Speaker 1: been thinking, you know, and I didn't want to come out.

1715
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,040
Speaker 1: I could have come out. I've worked with few different

1716
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:51,439
Speaker 1: people and I finally then agreed to come out on

1717
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: the market with It's basically a wellness brand called Sila,

1718
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: and one of the first products that we come out

1719
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 1: with is hydration, but we have magnesium. We are working

1720
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 1: on our sleep formula now tropic formula, gut formula, so

1721
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,600
Speaker 1: We're going to have a line of different products and

1722
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 1: I'm doing that. My partner in that is actually my

1723
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:18,599
Speaker 1: best friend, Mark Stilitano, who is also very very used

1724
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: to play tennis, and we know each other since we

1725
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:25,960
Speaker 1: were teenagers and very very passionate guy about you know,

1726
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 1: wellness and hydration and healthy lifestyle. So I found that

1727
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 1: we are very synergetic in our mission and vision and

1728
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:38,639
Speaker 1: he had something similar in his life that he wanted

1729
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:40,560
Speaker 1: to do and he said, let's join forces and do

1730
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:44,719
Speaker 1: it together. So we just recently started we very quietly,

1731
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: kind of as a soft launch, because I don't want

1732
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: this product or this brand to be just one of

1733
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: the many many out there. And when I say that,

1734
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean that every ingredient that is in every of

1735
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:04,799
Speaker 1: the product needs to be one hundred percent best quality

1736
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: that is out there. But you know, I'm very passionate

1737
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,920
Speaker 1: about this because it's a kind of a continuation of

1738
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: my passion, of my story, of my journey. It's what

1739
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 1: I love, it's what I drink on a daily basis,

1740
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: my kids, drinking, my wife, everybody, And so I'm always

1741
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 1: looking for new ways or best supplements or things that

1742
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 1: can improve my performance, that can improve my performance not

1743
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 1: just on the tennis court, but also in life for

1744
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 1: me to have more clarity, more energy, better sleep and

1745
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:34,600
Speaker 1: stuff like this. So I decided to do something on

1746
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: my own because the supplements out there that I was trying,

1747
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 1: there are some good ones, but I was not fully satisfied.

1748
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,720
Speaker 1: So I try to kind of take the means in

1749
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,400
Speaker 1: my hands and control the process from A to Z.

1750
01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:49,400
Speaker 1: It's the way I am, It's how I do things,

1751
01:38:49,479 --> 01:38:52,240
Speaker 1: and so hopefully people will like it. I don't know.

1752
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's gonna be interesting journey that we're embarking on.

1753
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,679
Speaker 1: And other than that, I have another very interesting project,

1754
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 1: old Genesis Pod that I want to get you in.

1755
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: That pod. It's been it's been also six years that

1756
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 1: we're working on that and we're launching later this year,

1757
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: and that that pod is like a capsule, you know,

1758
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 1: like one of those sleeping capsules that you have in

1759
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 1: an airport. So about twelve thirteen years ago, I was

1760
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:20,920
Speaker 1: in Dubai Airport and I was in business class lounge

1761
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 1: and I was like, look at me. You know, I'm

1762
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,400
Speaker 1: so you know, lucky to be here and to be

1763
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: able to have a bed or have this you know,

1764
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 1: sleeping pod or something like that. But you know, ninety

1765
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 1: nine percent of the people, I mean, they're layovers, they're

1766
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 1: in transit, they're sleeping on the floor and uncomfortable chairs

1767
01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 1: and stuff. So I felt like, how cool would it

1768
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 1: be if, you know, on the airport we would have

1769
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 1: these pods where people will go in and out not

1770
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,600
Speaker 1: only to nap and sleep, but to go in and

1771
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 1: out in shortest amount of time, whether it's you know, eight, ten, fifteen,

1772
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:58,599
Speaker 1: twenty minutes, and feel refreshed and feel re energized. They

1773
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 1: can reset their system and recharge the batteries and go

1774
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:05,600
Speaker 1: on with their day. And by that time, I was

1775
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: already traveling with the additional suitcase of gadgets of near

1776
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: infrared fire, infrared pulse, electromagnetic frequency different plates, boards, you

1777
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:27,839
Speaker 1: name it. I mean essential oils that light therapies, vibrational frequencies, sounds, everything,

1778
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 1: everything that is out there in the market that I

1779
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 1: find amusing and interesting. I take it. I try, I

1780
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,479
Speaker 1: try to implement it. So I'm still traveling with these gadgets,

1781
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: and so I said, okay, So I partnered up with

1782
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 1: my partner, Tough Keen, who is Australian and lives in Bali,

1783
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,320
Speaker 1: and so we connected and then he had also some

1784
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: similar thoughts and then we're like, okay, can we do

1785
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:52,640
Speaker 1: this part where I would have all these gadgets incorporated

1786
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 1: in one multisensory device where they don't interfere with each other,

1787
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 1: but they complement each other. So where you go in

1788
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:03,719
Speaker 1: and you're like in a Faraday cagere protected from harmful

1789
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 1: radiation of the towers, the Wi Fi, the five g's,

1790
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 1: et cetera, and you are just giving yourselves a rest

1791
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:16,200
Speaker 1: and recharging and then you know, being stimulated with all

1792
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 1: these things. Would it be possible? And so four or

1793
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 1: five years of R and D and we finally created it.

1794
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,599
Speaker 1: So it's quite an inexclusive, I would say a product

1795
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 1: because it's you know, it's very expensive. It's big. It's

1796
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 1: not like a hydration drink. But my dream is to

1797
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 1: have that in every airport. It started like that, but then,

1798
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 1: of course the corporate wellness is a big world as well,

1799
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 1: the corporations. I mean, people who work nine to five,

1800
01:41:43,240 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 1: nine to eight, they're staying all days seated. You know,

1801
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:50,120
Speaker 1: their posture, all these things are affected. They don't have

1802
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:54,439
Speaker 1: the ability to ground their feet and be in the

1803
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 1: nature and stuff. It's always this fast paced, modern lifestyle

1804
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 1: on the go on the goal, Give me a quick fix.

1805
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 1: I'm eating my lunch in the car on the goal.

1806
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,880
Speaker 1: What you know, So I understand, you know, I'm not

1807
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 1: not judging. I understand we all we're all part of

1808
01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 1: that world. So that's why I kind of wanted to

1809
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,720
Speaker 1: create in a way, even even though I don't like

1810
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 1: that term, a healthy quick fix to a modern fast

1811
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 1: basd lifestyle. Men or women that live and don't have

1812
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,680
Speaker 1: time and then come back home, they're super tired, exhausted,

1813
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,560
Speaker 1: and they have kids, they have the spouse, they have

1814
01:42:27,640 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 1: everything happening, and they're like, oh my god, I'm sore,

1815
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,719
Speaker 1: I'm this, I'm depleted, I'm not sleeping well, et cetera.

1816
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:37,680
Speaker 1: So it's it's quite complex, but this could be and

1817
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:40,160
Speaker 1: I hope it will. I mean, again, I'm biased, and

1818
01:42:40,280 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: we've been doing I mean, hundreds or maybe even thousands

1819
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 1: of people have done it trials and the results are incredible.

1820
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 1: We're doing a scientific study now, a human study in

1821
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 1: in UH one two universities in the United States with

1822
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 1: a pod, and so can't wait to see the results

1823
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 1: of that and and see how it rolls out, you know.

1824
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 1: So I'm very passionate about it. These are some you know,

1825
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:08,400
Speaker 1: I have a few other projects that I'm very involved in,

1826
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 1: and but I like it because it's it's in my alley,

1827
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 1: you know. It's in the area of life that I'm

1828
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: not only passionate about, but that I feel like I

1829
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:23,840
Speaker 1: have experience in knowledge to some extent. And of course

1830
01:43:23,880 --> 01:43:26,719
Speaker 1: I surround myself with with people who are more qualified

1831
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 1: and knowledgeable about than me in that space, and then

1832
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 1: we develop it together. And I feel like like you

1833
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 1: trying to make other people feel better, you know, whether

1834
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:40,639
Speaker 1: it's mentally or physically, through supplements, through this pod, through

1835
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:44,679
Speaker 1: this podcast, through talking, through you know, sharing the journey,

1836
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: sharing the maybe some hacks and techniques and stuff that

1837
01:43:48,240 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: they can do you know in the end of the day,

1838
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 1: that's actually what drives in I feel like it drives

1839
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,599
Speaker 1: you a lot, you know, because it gives the purpose

1840
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 1: on purpose. It gives you purpose in your life. It's

1841
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 1: not like only about yourself what you do and the

1842
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 1: achievements and the fame and money and everything. It's really

1843
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 1: about how you make your mark in the world. What's

1844
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 1: the legacy, what do you leave behind, how do people

1845
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:14,800
Speaker 1: you know benefit from you? And what you say, what

1846
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 1: you do, what you create. So that's a kind of

1847
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 1: a driving force. You know. One of the best psychologists

1848
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:22,480
Speaker 1: that I've worked with and one of the most impressive

1849
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:25,679
Speaker 1: and intelligent people that I ever met in my life.

1850
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:29,400
Speaker 1: His name is doctor Jim Lair and he was one

1851
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:32,759
Speaker 1: of the founders of a Human Performance Institute HPI in Florida,

1852
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:37,600
Speaker 1: and we worked for a few years, and you know,

1853
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 1: he has this obviously, one of the most important questions

1854
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 1: is what would you like to have written on your tombstone?

1855
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:49,519
Speaker 1: And would you like, you know, people to list your

1856
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 1: achievements or is it something else? How would you like

1857
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: people to remember you? You know, but deeply think about that,

1858
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 1: and then we would go through a process of writing

1859
01:44:58,560 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: things down and really kind of deconstructing my personality in

1860
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 1: my life, what I'm living in a given moment, and

1861
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,800
Speaker 1: how I see the future self and how I see

1862
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,560
Speaker 1: the future of the world, and whether I feel like

1863
01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:14,439
Speaker 1: I strongly believe that I can make that impact. So

1864
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,879
Speaker 1: I feel this is everything that I do is related

1865
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 1: to that source of the purpose and of the light

1866
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:24,600
Speaker 1: that is in the center of everything. Because you know,

1867
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:29,120
Speaker 1: I've also turned down many different companies in my life

1868
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:32,439
Speaker 1: that wanted me to be an ambassador because I just

1869
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:36,600
Speaker 1: feel it's very hard for me to represent and advocate

1870
01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:40,560
Speaker 1: something to millions of people that I really don't believe in.

1871
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't never drink that drink or eat that or

1872
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 1: whatever it is. I just if it's not aligned with

1873
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 1: my philosophy my mindset, it's not going to work. And

1874
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:54,720
Speaker 1: I've selected that journey which is for my managers and

1875
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:59,519
Speaker 1: my agents, not the ideal one. But at the same time,

1876
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm calm in my heart in my mind because i

1877
01:46:02,240 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 1: know that I'm doing something that is right.

1878
01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:05,920
Speaker 2: I love that and I'm so excited to try it,

1879
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 2: and I'm grateful that you've said that and that authenticity

1880
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 2: is there because I personally am someone who wants to

1881
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 2: try new things and wants to know what the best

1882
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 2: are using, especially when you're creating it yourself. You're not

1883
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 2: putting your name to it. It's not something you know,

1884
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:24,880
Speaker 2: it's you're actually saying, no, this is what I use,

1885
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 2: this is what I'm doing. I think that's important. So, Novak,

1886
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 2: we end every interview with the final five. These have

1887
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:35,040
Speaker 2: to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum, okay,

1888
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 2: and then I may ask you to go over. But

1889
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:41,479
Speaker 2: Novak Djokovitz, the is your final five. The first is,

1890
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,719
Speaker 2: what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

1891
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 1: Live the life in the present moment, learn from the past,

1892
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 1: live in the present, and work for the future.

1893
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:57,000
Speaker 2: What is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

1894
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:05,560
Speaker 1: The worst device? If someone does good to you, do

1895
01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:09,120
Speaker 1: ten times better to them. But if someone does bad

1896
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: to you, do ten times worse to them.

1897
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,360
Speaker 2: Oh, that second part is not good advice exactly.

1898
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,880
Speaker 1: That first part beautiful as yeah, but the second the

1899
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:20,160
Speaker 1: first part is connected to the second one. That's why

1900
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 1: I said it. But second one I don't like. Yeah.

1901
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 2: I think it's almost like, if someone does good to you,

1902
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 2: do ten times better to them and if someone is

1903
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 2: bad to you, do ten times less to them, Like

1904
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 2: just you know, that would be good advice. But that's

1905
01:47:33,160 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 2: a good answer. I've never had that. That's really really good.

1906
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 2: What's the power of having had such a beautiful relationship

1907
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 2: with your partner? Your wife, Yelena. I can't do an

1908
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:47,680
Speaker 2: interview without giving her credit and talking about her. I

1909
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:50,600
Speaker 2: feel like a good man needs a good woman. And

1910
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:54,679
Speaker 2: thank such a big important part of all of our lives.

1911
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:58,960
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, thank you for asking me about my wife.

1912
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: And you know, we've been together since my age eighteen,

1913
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:05,640
Speaker 1: she was nineteen, so very long time we dated. We

1914
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:09,599
Speaker 1: went through different stages, in different phases, and basically she's

1915
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:12,599
Speaker 1: the only like very serious relationship that I've ever had.

1916
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:17,759
Speaker 1: And yeah, she's my rock. She's someone that has seen

1917
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 1: the worst and the best sides of me. She has

1918
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 1: seen my evolution. She has challenged me on every level.

1919
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:29,639
Speaker 1: We have grown together and we have two beautiful children,

1920
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:33,480
Speaker 1: and we still keep on growing and evolving. We have challenges,

1921
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 1: as I guess every couple has, but I think we

1922
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:43,040
Speaker 1: have an amazing base and foundation and we always when

1923
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 1: we have challenging times in relationship, we revert to that,

1924
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:49,720
Speaker 1: and we address you know, why we are together, who

1925
01:48:49,760 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 1: we are as people, and how we've grown, and the

1926
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:56,599
Speaker 1: future that we see is the future that we see together,

1927
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:00,840
Speaker 1: and so whatever we try to do, try to do together.

1928
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 1: So all of the projects that I told you about

1929
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 1: and everything, she's been involved, and it's very important for

1930
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 1: me to always hear her thoughts, her feedback, and because

1931
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:16,280
Speaker 1: she's probably the only one in my life other than

1932
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 1: my brothers or one or two friends, that is able

1933
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:25,960
Speaker 1: to tell me things that I maybe don't want to

1934
01:49:26,040 --> 01:49:31,439
Speaker 1: hear and really challenge my ideas, challenge my thoughts, challenge

1935
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 1: my decisions, and oftentimes her instinct or intuition was correct

1936
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:41,680
Speaker 1: and mine wasn't. I have to say that, But now

1937
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 1: jokes aside. She has been an incredible partner in this

1938
01:49:45,880 --> 01:49:53,400
Speaker 1: whole journey, professionally, privately, emotionally, romantically, as a parent as well.

1939
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:57,280
Speaker 1: So I still play at this level because also of

1940
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:00,200
Speaker 1: the support that she's giving to our family back home home,

1941
01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:03,920
Speaker 1: and I remind myself of that a lot. You know,

1942
01:50:04,200 --> 01:50:06,760
Speaker 1: I've grown up with two younger brothers in a very

1943
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 1: small apartment with and I've seen what my mother you know,

1944
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:13,680
Speaker 1: did and what she does for a family and what

1945
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:20,200
Speaker 1: women do to keep families together and intact and bring

1946
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 1: this incredibly powerful energy to our life and to that

1947
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,760
Speaker 1: gives us wings and that gives us a springboard for

1948
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:33,400
Speaker 1: everything that we're doing outside of home. It's just something

1949
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:37,320
Speaker 1: that one will never comprehend unless one experience is that

1950
01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 1: family life. So we've been through all these different journeys

1951
01:50:41,320 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 1: together as you know, kids, teenagers, and you know, getting

1952
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 1: more serious and relationship and her being my fiance and

1953
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 1: then getting married and then having two kids. So yeah,

1954
01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 1: it's hard to express everything that I that I feel

1955
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:00,320
Speaker 1: as kind of love and gratitude towards her and what

1956
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:01,719
Speaker 1: she means to me in my life.

1957
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like when I've met her or interacted

1958
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 2: with her, she's always just operating in such a high

1959
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 2: frequency and a high vibration, like she has that natural

1960
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 2: energy and it's good for I feel like that about

1961
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 2: my wife, and I feel like it's good to have

1962
01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 2: someone in your life who's that close to you that

1963
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 2: can call you out and write, check on you, and

1964
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 2: you know, realign you, and I know I value that

1965
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:25,560
Speaker 2: deeply and my wife does the same for me. The

1966
01:51:25,680 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 2: question four is two as well. What was your worst

1967
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,880
Speaker 2: day on court and what was your best day on court?

1968
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:35,280
Speaker 1: I would say winning a gold medal for my country

1969
01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 1: in Olympics in Paris twenty twenty four would be the

1970
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:44,799
Speaker 1: best moment, even better, and it surpasses me winning Wimbledon

1971
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:47,160
Speaker 1: for a first time or winning they discover my country

1972
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:50,640
Speaker 1: and stuff. And I've been incredibly fortunate to experience some

1973
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:53,360
Speaker 1: of the mean the greatest achievements in our sport. But

1974
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:58,160
Speaker 1: that one just because I was thirty seven at the time,

1975
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean thirty seven years old and maybe my last

1976
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:03,479
Speaker 1: shot at the real shot at the gold medal, and

1977
01:52:04,479 --> 01:52:08,000
Speaker 1: everything how it happened and how it unfolded, it is

1978
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:11,760
Speaker 1: just you know, that's the moment, and the worst would

1979
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:16,600
Speaker 1: be I would say. Actually, also Olympics when I was

1980
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:22,160
Speaker 1: when I lost the Olympic Games in Rio Dejanira in

1981
01:52:22,160 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, I was, yeah, struggling a little bit with

1982
01:52:28,479 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 1: this injury of the wrist and didn't know if I'm

1983
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:33,479
Speaker 1: going to play or not. I played, I lost to

1984
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:36,519
Speaker 1: the Potro's dear friend and went on to win a

1985
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:40,639
Speaker 1: silver medal for his country. I lost in first round

1986
01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 1: in a tight two setter and two tiebreaks, and it

1987
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 1: was super emotional because Olympics, playing for my country, being

1988
01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:53,639
Speaker 1: supported by the whole stadium, being probably at the peak

1989
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 1: of my career overall, being on a run and on

1990
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:03,360
Speaker 1: the role winning four slams. I held all four slams

1991
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:08,040
Speaker 1: at that point, I was just the most dominant I've

1992
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 1: ever was in my career. Practicing several days, I was like,

1993
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 1: I cannot miss a ball, like this is my time.

1994
01:53:15,680 --> 01:53:20,479
Speaker 1: There's no chance anybody beats me here. And then one

1995
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:23,040
Speaker 1: day or two days before the match, I start to

1996
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:26,439
Speaker 1: feel something in the wrist, start to doubt myself. I

1997
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:28,280
Speaker 1: started a questioning whether I should go out or not.

1998
01:53:29,080 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 1: I have a very tough draw. I draw the apotrow

1999
01:53:32,200 --> 01:53:36,679
Speaker 1: is very tough draw for restaurant, and I lose close match.

2000
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 1: You know, as I said, he goes on to win

2001
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:42,000
Speaker 1: silver medal. But that was the moment where I just

2002
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:45,880
Speaker 1: felt like my whole world collapsed. Yeah, very very tough.

2003
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:47,960
Speaker 1: So it's interesting now that you ask me, because I

2004
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:50,719
Speaker 1: never thought about it. But best moment in the worst

2005
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:55,360
Speaker 1: moment happened in Olympic Games. Because Olympic Games happen every

2006
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:59,040
Speaker 1: four years, they're so rare, and all the other tournaments

2007
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:01,639
Speaker 1: you have a chance every year year to win, but here,

2008
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, every four years, so you got to be

2009
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 1: at your top to be able to, you know, get

2010
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 1: a medal.

2011
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 2: That's cool, that's good, good memories, And I'm glad you

2012
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:13,479
Speaker 2: got the goal last year.

2013
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate it.

2014
01:54:15,479 --> 01:54:18,400
Speaker 2: Toughest opponent mentally and toughest opponent physically.

2015
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:24,280
Speaker 1: Toughest opponent mentally by far myself. That's a good answer

2016
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 1: by far. And the toughest opponent physically Nadal, Yeah, for sure.

2017
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean the battles with him were just grueling. The

2018
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:41,440
Speaker 1: longest Grand Slam finals in history in the finals of

2019
01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 1: twenty twelve Australian Open, five hours and fifty three minutes.

2020
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 1: I think it was so almost six hours of grueling battle.

2021
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:52,720
Speaker 1: I won that match in the fifth set, seven five

2022
01:54:52,840 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 1: or seven six. It was just I remember the closing

2023
01:54:56,440 --> 01:55:00,200
Speaker 1: ceremony after that. We were standing and listening to the

2024
01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:04,680
Speaker 1: sponsors speeches and stuff, and we at one point we

2025
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:10,400
Speaker 1: both simultaneously bent down and held our knees and I

2026
01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:14,040
Speaker 1: could see his legs shaking. My legs are shaking, and

2027
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:17,160
Speaker 1: then I and then someone saw that and brought us

2028
01:55:17,200 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 1: two chairs and brought us water, and we had to

2029
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 1: sit down and sit for the rest of the ceremony

2030
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:24,240
Speaker 1: because we were just I went into the locker room

2031
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 1: and took out my shoes and I had blood on

2032
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:30,800
Speaker 1: all over the socks and both bald socks, and I

2033
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:34,160
Speaker 1: didn't feel it. Obviously, in this adrenaline rush on the court,

2034
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:36,400
Speaker 1: you just go through the pain, You go through everything,

2035
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:40,160
Speaker 1: and then you like, once you cool off and your

2036
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:44,760
Speaker 1: muscles are cold and everything, it's just like devastating feeling

2037
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:48,520
Speaker 1: you can't walk, but you know, obviously more satisfying when

2038
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 1: you win such battle. But I had incredible matches against

2039
01:55:52,320 --> 01:55:56,840
Speaker 1: Nadal clay court matches. I mean, Clay's the slowest surface

2040
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,600
Speaker 1: and most physically in our sport, and playing him on

2041
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:02,840
Speaker 1: cl in rolling Garris is probably the top challenge you

2042
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 1: can have in the history of our sport because he,

2043
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, he was getting to every ball, and I

2044
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 1: was also very very good defender and always and you know,

2045
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:14,760
Speaker 1: very physically fit. So we would like push each other

2046
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:18,160
Speaker 1: to the very limit physically and mentally. You know. It

2047
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 1: was at times almost like an out of body experience

2048
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:24,280
Speaker 1: for both of us, where we would just everything would flow.

2049
01:56:24,320 --> 01:56:28,000
Speaker 1: We would play incredible points that would last so long exchanges,

2050
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:31,320
Speaker 1: and you know, when you finish a match, then you realize,

2051
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's almost like you were not playing it.

2052
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:38,640
Speaker 1: It was like something took over and just all your talents,

2053
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 1: the skill, everything was on a scale or on the

2054
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 1: platform that we created. It's like almost like an artist

2055
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 1: where he goes into his on a canvas, into his

2056
01:56:51,640 --> 01:56:55,640
Speaker 1: zone and just starts drawing some beautiful That's how it felt,

2057
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, many times when I played him, and now

2058
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:01,840
Speaker 1: when I talk about it and reflect, it gives me,

2059
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, a great sense of pride and satisfaction that

2060
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:08,600
Speaker 1: I've had the rivalry that I had with him, and

2061
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:11,520
Speaker 1: that you know, I feel like not only we both

2062
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:13,960
Speaker 1: made history of the sport, but we both made each

2063
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,000
Speaker 1: other better. And I feel like we brought so many

2064
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 1: incredible emotions to people who were watching us play.

2065
01:57:20,800 --> 01:57:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah you can still watch those I love TikTok now

2066
01:57:22,880 --> 01:57:24,880
Speaker 2: because you've got the highlights. Yeah yeah, you can just

2067
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:27,960
Speaker 2: watch those highlights for ages, like all the best points,

2068
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:30,320
Speaker 2: and of course people compile it and you just think, wow,

2069
01:57:30,360 --> 01:57:33,280
Speaker 2: it's it is its poetry in motion to just watch

2070
01:57:33,800 --> 01:57:39,600
Speaker 2: R two eyes play together. Fifth and final question. We

2071
01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:41,600
Speaker 2: asked this every guest who's ever been on the show.

2072
01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:44,680
Speaker 2: Not in the beginning though, so these all these rituals

2073
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:47,920
Speaker 2: came after it. If you could create one law that

2074
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:50,320
Speaker 2: everyone in the world had to follow, what would.

2075
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:53,320
Speaker 1: It be hard to pick one thing, but I would

2076
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:58,520
Speaker 1: probably create the law without punish greatly someone who just

2077
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:03,840
Speaker 1: destroys our planet, throws trash in the nature or in

2078
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 1: the water, or you know, disrespects our mother nature and

2079
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:12,560
Speaker 1: the planet we live on. Maybe it would be a

2080
01:58:12,720 --> 01:58:15,680
Speaker 1: law where you would have to say hello to every

2081
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:21,320
Speaker 1: person that walks by, just trying to be more kind,

2082
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:25,760
Speaker 1: more gracious, a little bit more compassionate. We need a

2083
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:29,360
Speaker 1: little bit more empathy and compassion in this planet because

2084
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:33,120
Speaker 1: when we are as people closer to each other and

2085
01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:37,960
Speaker 1: we are less divided, I feel like then as a

2086
01:58:38,040 --> 01:58:40,400
Speaker 1: positive consequence of that, we will take care of the

2087
01:58:40,440 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 1: planet we're living on. Yeah.

2088
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 2: Well, Novak as always inspired to see what you do,

2089
01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:49,560
Speaker 2: continue to do in tennis, what you'll do beyond tennis.

2090
01:58:50,360 --> 01:58:54,800
Speaker 2: And last time we covered your story of how you

2091
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:57,320
Speaker 2: became and who you were and where you started. And

2092
01:58:57,360 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 2: I feel like today we've added another beautiful chat to

2093
01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:04,280
Speaker 2: onto that growth. And I'm so grateful to you for

2094
01:59:04,360 --> 01:59:07,560
Speaker 2: showing up as you do always, for living as intentionally

2095
01:59:07,560 --> 01:59:10,400
Speaker 2: as you always do. I still remember we finished the

2096
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:12,480
Speaker 2: last interview, and even today my team was saying it

2097
01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,480
Speaker 2: after the interview last time, you spent an hour talking

2098
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:18,080
Speaker 2: to my team at that time, and even today when

2099
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:19,640
Speaker 2: you were coming in and it was, oh my god,

2100
01:59:19,720 --> 01:59:22,360
Speaker 2: he's so nice, he's so kind. It's just it's amazing

2101
01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 2: to see someone who's truly, truly, truly the go of

2102
01:59:27,320 --> 01:59:31,040
Speaker 2: their sport to be that humble, grounded kind at all

2103
01:59:31,120 --> 01:59:36,040
Speaker 2: times with everyone. It's truly admirable and and all the

2104
01:59:36,160 --> 01:59:37,360
Speaker 2: truly best people have it.

2105
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:40,600
Speaker 1: So, you know, thank you j for having me, and

2106
01:59:40,840 --> 01:59:43,400
Speaker 1: thank you for spending you know, two hours with me

2107
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:46,560
Speaker 1: and I you know, we time flew by. I mean

2108
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:50,600
Speaker 1: it's incredible and it's I feel like the connection and

2109
01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:52,840
Speaker 1: the energy was it was amazing, as it always is

2110
01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:55,760
Speaker 1: with you, and I hope that for the next chapter

2111
01:59:55,880 --> 01:59:57,800
Speaker 1: we won't need to wait another five years.

2112
01:59:57,800 --> 02:00:00,760
Speaker 2: I agree, let's let's probably really we need to.

2113
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,960
Speaker 1: We promise each other we got we gotta meet more

2114
02:00:04,040 --> 02:00:08,200
Speaker 1: frequent because I think we are both you know, expanding

2115
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:12,000
Speaker 1: and evolving and doing incredible things in our own fields,

2116
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:14,880
Speaker 1: and so many interesting things to talk about and to share.

2117
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:18,680
Speaker 1: So for sure, I'd love to love to be your

2118
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:21,320
Speaker 1: guest a little bit more frequently and not wait for

2119
02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:23,000
Speaker 1: a long time. But thank you for having me and

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Speaker 1: thank you allowing me to share my story. Thank you man.

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Speaker 2: Anyone who's been listening and watching, let me and Novak know.

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Speaker 2: Tag us on Instagram, on TikTok, let us know what's

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Speaker 2: resonating with you, what's connecting with you. If there was

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Speaker 2: a message, a game, a point, something that Novak shared

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Speaker 2: with you that is going to stay with you for

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Speaker 2: some time, let us know. I love seeing what has

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Speaker 2: an impact on you. That's the goal of these conversations.

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Speaker 2: I want to see what shifts you make, the habits

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Speaker 2: you change, and the new goals that you achieve because

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Speaker 2: of this conversation. The big thank you to Novak again,

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Speaker 2: and we'll see on the next one. If you love

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Speaker 2: this episode, you'll love my interview with Kobe Bryant on

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Speaker 2: how to be strategic and obsessive to find your purpose.

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Speaker 1: Our children have become less imaginative about how the problem

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Speaker 1: solved in parents and coaches have become more directive and

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Speaker 1: trying to tell them how to behave versus teaching them

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Speaker 1: how to behave