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Speaker 1: A second day in pads, and it was a good

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Speaker 1: day for the defense. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Zach Gershman joins me, Yeah, we brought it back. Who

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Speaker 1: stood out on Thursday? Plus a discussion about David Collins

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Speaker 1: and the past Rush Special teams, namely the punting competition

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Speaker 1: and the musical talents of running back Corey Clement. It's

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, Episode six fifty nine, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Booda Baker? What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's a ten half of five. He's it again? So

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Speaker 3: more Harry Magic? Whoa?

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Grioloud.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who can write Matt Prater and Beyonce in the

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Speaker 1: here on Cards cover two, presented by Hundai probably partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. Let me say exactly what the

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Speaker 1: sentence is because I told you, Zach that I was impressed.

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Speaker 1: It was notes late last week correct Azycardinals dot com

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Speaker 1: the benefits of kicking experience talking about Matt Prater. This

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Speaker 1: is your lead to the specific note. When kicker Matt

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Speaker 1: Prater joined the NFL in two thousand and seven, Irreplaceable

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Speaker 1: by Beyonce finished atop the Billboard charts. Seventeen years later,

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Speaker 3: That's impressive, listen. I mean, Irreplaceable is a great song.

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Speaker 3: Matt Prader is a great kicker. How could you not?

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Speaker 3: You don't see the comparison cray.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they've both lasted this long. Yes, other

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Speaker 1: And again it's why we decided to bring you back

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Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit more about the special teams

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Speaker 1: in a moment, But first thing, first Thursday. The highlights.

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Speaker 3: He's only has one year under his belt. Matt Hawk

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Speaker 1: Last season with the Colts, Hawk averaged almost forty five

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Speaker 1: yards a punt a net rating of forty point six.

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Speaker 1: So he has the experience. He's also left footed, which

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Speaker 1: can also factor into how that returner sees the football

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Speaker 1: in a different spin, and that can be an advantage

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals. The other advantage, though, on the flip side,

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Speaker 1: for Nolan Cooney, is a need to coach Rodgers. He

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Speaker 1: could kick off, yes, and if something should happen or

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Speaker 1: you need to get Matt Pray or a break, You've

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Speaker 1: got a backup if you will. So do you go

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Speaker 1: with youth but someone who can kick off or a

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Speaker 1: little bit more experience left footed and that dynamic. As

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Speaker 1: far as how the ball comes down to a returner, I.

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Speaker 3: Would assume that if it were me making the call,

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Speaker 3: it fortunately make you the special teams coordinate. You just

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Speaker 3: got here. Listen, I'm going up to I'm going up

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Speaker 3: the chains. I went from writer to hopefully selfie taker

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Speaker 3: to now a special teams coach who says no. But

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Speaker 3: what I'll say is this the experience that Matt Hawk

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Speaker 3: has and it's seven years, not five years. Just want

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Speaker 3: to make sure I get that correct out there. The

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Speaker 3: experience and the left footed kicking, as you mentioned, does

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Speaker 3: make a huge difference. And Coach Rodgers was talking about

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Speaker 3: the hangtime how it's gone a lot less over the

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Speaker 3: years and now it's only about five point three sometimes

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Speaker 3: even less than that in terms of seconds getting all

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Speaker 3: the way down the field. So having that experience and

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Speaker 3: seeing the way that it comes off the foot for

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Speaker 3: a returner is not as easy as from a right

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Speaker 3: foot of kicker.

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Speaker 1: One other story that you are working on, and it

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Speaker 1: might already have been posted on Easycardinals dot com. We

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Speaker 1: talk about another position battle, how about the number two

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Speaker 1: running back, But not so much the competition, but just

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Speaker 1: a little bit more about Corey Clement seventh season, twenty

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Speaker 1: eight year old, last season nine games with the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: didn't join the team until week six. But you've got

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Speaker 1: a little bit of an interesting twist to the Corey story.

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Speaker 3: So for those that remember me being from Philadelphia, I

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Speaker 3: saw Corey Clement as a player for the Philadelphia Eagles

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Speaker 3: during his rookie season, and as a fan, I went

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Speaker 3: to autograph signings just because I was a big memorabilia collector.

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Speaker 3: Let alone, a fan of memorabilia collector, and I went

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Speaker 3: to a Corey Clement signing and I said, Corey, I

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Speaker 3: heard that you were interested in making music. Would you

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Speaker 3: ever actually make music? And he goes, I've been since

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Speaker 3: I was young looking up online. I wasn't really able

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Speaker 3: to find much about it. Coming here, I was like,

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Speaker 3: let me take a look back, see if he's actually

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Speaker 3: doing it, and Craig Corey is actually doing it. He

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Speaker 3: goes by the name your rock Y E r OC

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Speaker 3: So your rock is kind of running the rock. I

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Speaker 3: had to get that pot Y e r O c

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Speaker 3: y E r O c O your rock and though

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Speaker 3: it's such a unique story and please check out on

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Speaker 3: Azcardinals dot com. Because Corey grew up in a family

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Speaker 3: where he knew he had it on the field, just

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Speaker 3: being a successful player from New Jersey going Wisconsin, ultimately

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Speaker 3: making it into the league as an undrafted rookie. But

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Speaker 3: to go from that, he also knew that he had

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Speaker 3: it off the field with a musical background. His dad's

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Speaker 3: part of an a cappella group, his mother's a musician,

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Speaker 3: his brother is a vocalist, so he was always intertwined

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Speaker 3: with music, and music has kind of become a way

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Speaker 3: for him to balance the everyday life, everyday humans, and

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Speaker 3: everyday life of playing in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I love this.

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Speaker 1: I mean the first appearance here on Cardinals cover two

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Speaker 1: presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. You

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Speaker 1: break the news on what AQ means as far as

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Speaker 1: the name of a Q Shipley which I say it again,

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Speaker 1: Alan Quash. Yeah, I had no idea even when he

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Speaker 1: was here.

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Speaker 3: I will say I googled it afterwards to make sure

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Speaker 3: I was right. I was right, But I guess you

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Speaker 3: can't always trust Pat McAfee when he's potentially under the

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Speaker 3: influence during an interview. If you check out the Zachlan

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Speaker 3: Sports YouTube channel to figure out what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And then I love the backstory on Corey Clement, who

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Speaker 1: we all know again running back. But I wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: it's not like a side gig, but this is something

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Speaker 1: that he career. It's what he wants to do post

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Speaker 1: or even right.

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Speaker 3: Now, he was telling me he goes, he goes. Listen,

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Speaker 3: everyone always says, what are you gonna do after the game.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I know what I'm gonna do. He loves

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Speaker 3: the entertainment, side of it. He's grown up with the

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Speaker 3: musical background. The funny thing is I asked him, I go,

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Speaker 3: when'd you know that you were able to do this?

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Speaker 3: Like obviously you knew from a football aspect, but like,

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Speaker 3: when'd you know that you could actually make music a career?

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Speaker 3: And he said it was literally a school talent show.

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Speaker 3: And he walked up on stage and getting in front

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Speaker 3: of a stage and getting the stage fright out of

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Speaker 3: the way. That was when he was like, all right,

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Speaker 3: you know, this isn't so bad. I could actually do this.

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Speaker 3: I can actually make music. And to think a guy

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Speaker 3: who on any given Sunday will perform in front of

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Speaker 3: sixty five thousand people plus upwards of that was concerned

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Speaker 3: about a school talent show and gaining the confidence for that.

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Speaker 3: It's very interesting and I touch a little bit more

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Speaker 3: about that into the article. But he's really taking it

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Speaker 3: all in and this isn't just a side hobby. It's

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Speaker 3: not just a side hustle. It's another career for him.

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Speaker 1: See now you need to follow up to see if

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Speaker 1: he has performed in front of his teammates.

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Speaker 3: So in the article we talked a little bit about it.

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Speaker 3: It's not necessarily performed, but they've seen it, he said before.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want to be so in their face about it,

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Speaker 3: like he's Corey. And I was talking with Jesse. I

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Speaker 3: was talking with Jesse Lucetta when we were having our

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Speaker 3: conversations you know, as Penn staters do, and I asked him,

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Speaker 3: I said, Jesse, have you heard about Corey performing? Like

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Speaker 3: does he go around being like, hey, I'm your rock? Like,

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Speaker 3: how is that interaction with him? And he goes, sometimes

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Speaker 3: he'll play it in the sauna, But like to them,

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Speaker 3: he's just Corey and that's what they're able to see

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Speaker 3: out of him. But he said something interesting about how

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Speaker 3: Marco Wilson came up to him and goes, yo, I

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Speaker 3: saw you on my Instagram and you make music. And

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Speaker 3: for Marco being a big music fan and very into

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Speaker 3: fashion and style, to see somebody have that sort of

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Speaker 3: background and how they're still doing something with it while

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Speaker 3: in the league to him was very cool.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Check it out on Azcardinals dot com. Corey

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Speaker 1: Clement trying to solidify his spot as the number two

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Speaker 1: running back behind James Connor and also the musical talents

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Speaker 1: as well. That story up on azcardinals dot com. Thursday's

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Speaker 1: practice in the books, the second one in pads ahead

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Speaker 1: for the Cardinals the Red and White practice on Saturday

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Speaker 1: here at State Farms Stadium again. Twelve forty five to

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Speaker 1: two forty five parking admission all free. You can get

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Speaker 1: up to four free tickets. Go to Azycardinals dot com

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Speaker 1: slash camp tics Azycardinals dot com slash camp tics that

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Speaker 1: is tix again. The entire team will sign autographs on

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Speaker 1: the lower field wall on both sidelines after the game,

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Speaker 1: and there is a advisory that we want to make

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Speaker 1: sure fans know be mindful of the excessive heat and

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Speaker 1: take necessary precautions. We don't want people waiting outside for

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Speaker 1: out of the car. That way, you can go right

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Speaker 1: into the stadium and you are allowed to bring a

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Speaker 1: factory sealed, non frozen sixteen point nine ounce bottle of

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Speaker 1: water into the building as well. So again, all the

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Speaker 1: details up on azycardinals dot com com. As I mentioned

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Speaker 1: the selfie station and who knows burg Gang, maybe you

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Speaker 1: run into Young Zach at the selfie station.

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Speaker 3: I'll take a selfie with you if you're interested.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, we might have to follow up on that.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Craig, If I take one selfie, it's a successful day. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So somebody find me just so I could come back

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Speaker 3: here uncovered too, so I could earn my keeps and

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Speaker 3: I could say, Craig, I did it. Got a selfie

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Speaker 3: with somebody burg Gang.

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Speaker 1: You have your assignments for the Red and White practice

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Speaker 1: coming up on Saturday. And on that note, we'll put

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Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented

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Speaker 1: by Hundai, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Malmhindro, our associate

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Speaker 1: producer Cody Bitcher for young as Zach Gershman, I'm Greig Riolu.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two,