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Speaker 1: We are live at the Cross Country Mortgage Campus here

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Speaker 1: in Barrea, Ohio. It is the final best podcast available

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Speaker 1: for the two thousand twenty two offseason. I'm Jason Gibbs.

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Speaker 1: I am honored to be joined by the man who

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Speaker 1: Nathan's a girl was kind enough to to fill in today.

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Speaker 1: my gratitude, Gibbe, for you. I would do anything, and

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Speaker 1: that's why I'm here, because I love you. There we go,

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Speaker 1: I am and we appreciate that. On a Friday, here

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Speaker 1: as we wrap up Brown's Mini camp and the Browns

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Speaker 1: off season, let's get right into it. Biggest takeaways from

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Speaker 1: mini camp obviously, some good working on Tuesday, a much

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Speaker 1: shorter practice, which I'm sure every player was happy about

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, especially with the fact that it was about

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Speaker 1: I think kind of the biggest takeaway from me from

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Speaker 1: the off season is that it was normal. Right. So,

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Speaker 1: this is the first time in Kevin Stefanski's tenure that

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Speaker 1: he's been able to have a full off season program.

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Speaker 1: And when you talk to the players, it's the first

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Speaker 1: time they've ever been able to be in the locker

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Speaker 1: room all together, sitting next to one another. And so

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Speaker 1: the camaraderie that has been built amongst this team already

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Speaker 1: so passes what we have seen in years passed and

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Speaker 1: we've heard that from numerous players. So that's an important thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not one of my key takeaways, but it's an

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Speaker 1: important thing to observe that this team is very tight.

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Speaker 1: This team certainly enjoys being around each other and taking

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Speaker 1: advantage of the opportunity to do just that. And then

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Speaker 1: there's also a quite confidence about this team. And so

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Speaker 1: why is that. Well, let's start on the offensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball. You've got a truly elite quarterback now

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Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson, and I think anybody who watches the

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Speaker 1: The ball comes out very easy. It's an easy throwing motion,

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Speaker 1: very quick, very accurate, a tight spiral. He can throw

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Speaker 1: Felton is actually playing pretty well at wide receiver. The

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Speaker 1: So you see this passing attack evolving and you see

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Speaker 1: passing camp. You can't put the pads on, you can't

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Speaker 1: and they did some of that, you know, jogging, but

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Speaker 1: Joe Mantonio back at mini camp. It was great to

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Speaker 1: good because this the continuity on the staff has been

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Speaker 1: back end. You think about the guys who were gonna

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Speaker 1: taking steps towards becoming a superstar. But those seven on

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Speaker 1: speaking of special teams, was Kade York the most impressive

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Speaker 1: rookie you've seen the entire off season? Off season, not

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Speaker 1: The ball comes out with a lot of force when

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Speaker 1: big deal, not bragging or anything, but I think I

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Speaker 1: And then you bring in Jachem Grant as well, who's

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Speaker 1: returner in each of the last two years, who scored

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Speaker 1: it's an exciting time for all three phases, all right.

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Speaker 1: If you had to give a blue ribbon, one on offense,

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Speaker 1: outstanding off season player? Oh, I like this give but

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Speaker 1: don't forget by the way, Andrew Barry tip of the

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Speaker 1: But it's his understanding of the game, his ability to

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Speaker 1: they're within the structure of the defense, it's ones that

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Speaker 1: he's seeing, anticipating breaking and he's getting there. And he

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Speaker 1: And again, while this is quote year number three, it's

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Speaker 1: to give to you, the Browns belief that you can be.

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Speaker 1: So here you are. Now you've put in the work,

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Speaker 1: You've been rewarded even though you haven't gotten to do

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Speaker 1: everything that you want to do. And now it's all

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Speaker 1: in front of you. So what's your mindset knowing that

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Speaker 1: that's the case. Now, I'm just ready to work, man, honestly, Like,

433
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Speaker 1: I just can't wait until week one. You know, UM

434
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Speaker 1: do all this process, I give God all the glory,

435
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Speaker 1: and I just I'm just itching to get to a

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Speaker 1: week one. So I'm very excited for and I'm excited

437
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Speaker 1: for you and now you have a quarterback into Shaun Watson,

438
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Speaker 1: who has put up enormous numbers everywhere that he has played.

439
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Speaker 1: I know, you guys got to go to the Bahamas

440
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Speaker 1: and then as you've got your contract, then you've gotten

441
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Speaker 1: to matriculate in here and start to work with them.

442
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Speaker 1: What's that kind of relationship in chemistry, like, because it's

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Speaker 1: an important thing, right, the relationship with the quarterback. And

444
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Speaker 1: for my eyes, it feels like the middle of the field.

445
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Speaker 1: The ball is going to the middle of the field

446
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Speaker 1: quite a bit more now and so that's good for you. Yeah, now,

447
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's a great relationship already. You know, we

448
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Speaker 1: started off very strong, you know, meeting up in the

449
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,399
Speaker 1: Bahamas with the whole offense. You know, he took care

450
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Speaker 1: of all that. So that was very impressive and it

451
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Speaker 1: showed that his loyalty was with us, and you know

452
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Speaker 1: that that goes a long way to know. It was fun,

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Speaker 1: It was fun, a great time. It was a great

454
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Speaker 1: team bonding. We put in the work too, so it

455
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Speaker 1: was just the best of with the worlds, you know. Um,

456
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Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean that that bond is is very important,

457
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Speaker 1: that commission important, So like even like when we're not

458
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Speaker 1: on the same page for whatever reason, we are on

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Speaker 1: the same page, you know, and that split second it counts.

460
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Speaker 1: You know, this game is all about inches. So yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: it's it's very important that that we just keep building

462
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Speaker 1: on that relationship. You know, the whole team. We bring

463
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Speaker 1: everybody with us and we just get their show on

464
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Speaker 1: the road. What is he kind of told you he

465
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Speaker 1: wants out of you out as his his number one guy.

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Speaker 1: That's confidential. We we definitely talk, you know, behind closed doors,

467
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Speaker 1: and we have, um, we have a big goals that

468
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Speaker 1: we we we have to reach. So we're we're excited

469
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Speaker 1: about that. What was discussion like with Andrew Barry, Kevin

470
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Speaker 1: Stefanci once you put the pen to the paper and

471
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Speaker 1: they said, look, this is how much we believe in you.

472
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Speaker 1: And you say, and you know, I'm gonna show you

473
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Speaker 1: why you were right. That's good too, it baby, let's

474
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Speaker 1: get to do it. I'm ready, all right. Talk about

475
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Speaker 1: you mentioned this team the goals. Not only do we

476
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Speaker 1: know what's on offense, we know what's on defense and

477
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Speaker 1: you see it firsthand every day out here in the

478
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Speaker 1: seven on seven When you look at this defense to speed,

479
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Speaker 1: the length the ability to cover every bladed grass. What's

480
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Speaker 1: kind of stood at you so far. I'm so excited

481
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Speaker 1: to watch them ball as well. You know, uh, not

482
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Speaker 1: only like our our d line, but our linebackers, our

483
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Speaker 1: corners or safeties. I'm just excited to see everybody just

484
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Speaker 1: put it all together and really be that force that

485
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Speaker 1: we know them to be. You know. Uh, we have

486
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Speaker 1: all the tools, like I said, all the tools on offense,

487
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Speaker 1: on defense, on special teams. We have everything there. So

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Speaker 1: it's up to us to get this job done. Alright.

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Speaker 1: Couple of just one fun question and then one obviously

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Speaker 1: family question. What does this mean to your family? Because

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Speaker 1: that's I know how big it is to you. I

492
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Speaker 1: know how tight you are with your family. What does

493
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Speaker 1: this mean to your family? It was he was, they

494
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Speaker 1: were I think they were more excited than me. Really,

495
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Speaker 1: I mean I was. I'm excited, but I wasn't like,

496
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Speaker 1: you know, jumping off, you know, going crazy. I was

497
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Speaker 1: just you know, okay, you know what's what's next, you

498
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So like, they were very happy,

499
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Speaker 1: They're very excited. They understand that, you know, everybody's in

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Speaker 1: this together, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, we're

501
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Speaker 1: excited verse vetting for the next step. What was the

502
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Speaker 1: reaction from your teammates. They're they're funny. They're funny, man.

503
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Speaker 1: They want me to buy everything now they only have

504
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Speaker 1: to buy them all gifts and everything. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's all up. Listen. It's a good place

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Speaker 1: to be in, right, I hear you. It's a good

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Speaker 1: place to be in. So all right, then a little

508
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Speaker 1: more fun. We talked about family earlier, but I know

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Speaker 1: your brother had a w w E tryout that you attended.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I wouldn't mind if that was the

511
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Speaker 1: path that I was on. But nonetheless, here we go.

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Speaker 1: How was that? Was that pretty cool? That was lit

513
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Speaker 1: that they let us go to WrestleMania too. It was

514
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Speaker 1: just like sold out crowd both days. Like it was.

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Speaker 1: It was intense. It was intense, and it was it

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Speaker 1: was awesome to see him having fun, having a good time.

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Speaker 1: So I was happy. Is he is he pursuing? That?

518
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Speaker 1: Is there a future there? Oh? Man? The chief and

519
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Speaker 1: the w w E the family spread their wings. I

520
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Speaker 1: like that, all right? And then the last thing you said,

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Speaker 1: it hasn't hit you yet, but is there anything that

522
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Speaker 1: you said Okay, we get this big contract. Anything that

523
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Speaker 1: you were looking forward to doing with it, um, maybe

524
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Speaker 1: a purchase for yourself, for the fan, for people back home,

525
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Speaker 1: anything like that. Not really, probably just keep doing what

526
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Speaker 1: I'm doing. I have a charity back in Nigeria that

527
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Speaker 1: I do um and annually. Excuse me, and uh, just

528
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Speaker 1: you know, just be the best man I can be overall.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love it. You haven't changed it. Remember

530
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Speaker 1: the man of my favorites. It's so happy for you.

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Speaker 1: Best elect this season. Keep doing and I'm looking for

532
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: looking for a lot of chief slams. Let's go all right,

533
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Speaker 1: Gibb A back to you. Thanks to Davina Joku for

534
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Speaker 1: a few minutes of his time and sweating into the

535
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Speaker 1: oldies right there. We're in the beanie outside with it

536
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Speaker 1: being a hundred and five degrees. I love the chief guy,

537
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: not only great player. It's been cool to see him

538
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Speaker 1: evolve and to see him mature. And as I told

539
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Speaker 1: him in that interview, and it's the truth, I've always

540
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Speaker 1: been a big fan of his. When we draft was

541
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Speaker 1: twenty years old, and so you've seen him grow up.

542
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Speaker 1: You've seen him mature at a time when it would

543
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Speaker 1: have been very easy for him in two thousand and

544
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Speaker 1: nineteen to say, you know what I'm done, I'm done

545
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Speaker 1: with you guys, get me out of here. And at

546
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Speaker 1: the time he felt that that's what he wanted. Brown said, no, no, no,

547
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Speaker 1: we know how good you can be. Were committed, We're

548
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Speaker 1: committed to you. Dedicated himself and to become one of

549
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Speaker 1: the best blocking tight ends in the league. That doesn't

550
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Speaker 1: happen by accident. That happens because he put in the

551
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Speaker 1: work and now he's been rewarded and now he's gonna

552
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Speaker 1: have the opportunity, I think to be one of the

553
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Speaker 1: elite pass catching tight ends in the NFL as well.

554
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Speaker 1: I couldn't be happier for him, and I think he's

555
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Speaker 1: gonna be a huge part of what we do on

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Speaker 1: offense here in two and beyond. All right, we're about

557
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Speaker 1: six and a half weeks away training camp. The first

558
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Speaker 1: training camp practice will be open to the public on Saturday,

559
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Speaker 1: July at two o'clock. All the practices will be open

560
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Speaker 1: to the public. There will be eleven total. They'll start

561
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Speaker 1: at two o'clock. Go on to Cleveland Browns dot com

562
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Speaker 1: for more information and to register for your training camp tickets. Today,

563
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Speaker 1: there's your sales plug for the day. Uh. Taking a

564
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Speaker 1: look at the tight end room or in general on

565
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Speaker 1: this football team. You got about six weeks before we're

566
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Speaker 1: all back together, still some time to maybe add a

567
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: piece here or there on this football team. Is there

568
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Speaker 1: one position you'd like to see Andrew Berry go out

569
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Speaker 1: and maybe get another body or two. I'm actually pretty

570
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Speaker 1: comfortable with the roster where it is, and I think

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Speaker 1: that if they do make a move to maybe acquire,

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Speaker 1: let's say, another receiver, if Anthony Schwartz's development is not

573
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Speaker 1: necessarily where they wanted, I can see them going and

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Speaker 1: get one of those veterans who's a vertical threat that's

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Speaker 1: out there available still on the free agent market. But

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Speaker 1: for the most part, I think this is the team

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Speaker 1: that the Browns want to bring to training camp and

578
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: want to bring into the season. And frankly, you've got

579
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Speaker 1: good depth. I think everywhere your line is deep. Your

580
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Speaker 1: tight end room. You know, maybe Millard Forrestall can step up,

581
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Speaker 1: maybe one of these youngsters can step up. You know,

582
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: they've taken a shot on some some prospects, guys, basketball players,

583
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: and maybe they can emerge into that third tight end roll.

584
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Speaker 1: But remember this is a team that's going to be

585
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Speaker 1: much more receiver focus, and it is tight end focused

586
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Speaker 1: as it had been in the past. So I think

587
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Speaker 1: that this is this is what they want to do.

588
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Speaker 1: If they have to make a change, it'll be that

589
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Speaker 1: will come, I think later in the event that somebody

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Speaker 1: doesn't live up to necessarily what they want over the

591
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Speaker 1: next six weeks. There's only one thing that we're off

592
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Speaker 1: paying attention to, right and that is gonna be how long,

593
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Speaker 1: if and if so, how long would Deshaun Watson be

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Speaker 1: out for the Cleveland Browns in the two season. I

595
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Speaker 1: think we'll get an answer that quickly, uh, And I

596
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Speaker 1: think then the Browns will be able to plan from

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Speaker 1: that and go from there. And the other thing, we

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Speaker 1: didn't really talk about him, but I think it's important

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Speaker 1: to note that Jacoby bri said is coming here, learned

600
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Speaker 1: this playbook, has the respect of his teammates and has

601
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Speaker 1: played very well, and you have confidence in the event

602
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Speaker 1: that he does have to start some games that he

603
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Speaker 1: will be able to do that. And so you know,

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Speaker 1: we talked with the Quell Jackson Brown's Daily earlier this

605
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Speaker 1: week and he said, jacobbra Set knows exactly who he

606
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Speaker 1: is what he can do. He will not lose you games.

607
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Speaker 1: And this guy who can win you games as a

608
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback. And so you look at his time in

609
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Speaker 1: India where he was with the Quell thirty one touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: thirteen picks. Brown's quarterback throws out those ratios. We're gonna

611
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Speaker 1: win a lot of football games with our ability to

612
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Speaker 1: run it and with our excellent defense. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's kind of the big thing that we're all waiting for.

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Speaker 1: We will have that answer, I believe, sooner rather than later,

615
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Speaker 1: and then the Browns will go from there and get

616
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Speaker 1: ready for what I still think is going to be

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Speaker 1: a very successful, productive and winning season. All right, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna wrap up our offseason edition of the best podcast available.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with you when training camp begins. I

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Speaker 1: want to send out a couple of thank yous here

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Speaker 1: as I cough, uh, Anthony Bacco doing a fantastic nation,

622
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Speaker 1: Baco Nation legend. Great job. Jeff McDaniel before him, both

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Speaker 1: those guys are things look good and well? No Jeff

624
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Speaker 1: just Jeff moving on to another project and picked up

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Speaker 1: the Yeah, Jeff's fine, He's fine. I don't think it

626
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Speaker 1: came across that way, but he did he thought it did. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In addition, I want to thank you Anthony Poisel for

628
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Speaker 1: stepping in and doing a yeoman's job. This guy right here,

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Speaker 1: I gotta thank you. Yeah, good job Nathan Zigura who

630
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Speaker 1: has done so much for us here with the BPA

631
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Speaker 1: this offseason, especially his friends on the football team, coaching staff, players,

632
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Speaker 1: you name it. Uh. This guy is probably one of

633
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Speaker 1: the better interviewers that you will come across, and he

634
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: did a very fine job here this offseason. Thanks to

635
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Speaker 1: Andre Gribble as well. You can like and subscribe Today

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