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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and it is a Mike Tomlin Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: After a victory Monday, and Mike Tomlan coming out today

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Speaker 2: Matt and saying that, well, doesn't look good for George Pickens.

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Speaker 3: I didn't hear that yet, but I knew that we

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Speaker 3: there was some suspicion that that was the case. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's not great.

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Speaker 2: Tomlin's saying that kind of explained the timeline of how

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Speaker 2: everything happened. Said the Pickens reported some soreness in his

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Speaker 2: hamstring after Thursday's practice. They held him out Friday as

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Speaker 2: limited participant on Friday, thinking that, you know, this will

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Speaker 2: probably clear up, and then we'll see how he is

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Speaker 2: on Sunday. And when he showed up on Sunday, that

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Speaker 2: plan was, well, maybe we can manage his snap count

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Speaker 2: here a little bit and only play him on weighty

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Speaker 2: downs or dutdowns or whatever. And they then decided, now

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Speaker 2: we better send him over for an MRI. They did

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Speaker 2: that and it revealed a hamstring injury that was worse

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Speaker 2: than what they thought, and so they held him out

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Speaker 2: of that game. Doesn't look good for this week against

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Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles, and so life without George Pickens this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not great. I mean, obviously he's high on

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Speaker 3: the list of guys you don't want to lose. They

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Speaker 3: did just win a game without him and moved to football.

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Speaker 3: But these next couple of games are stifferent tests for sure,

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Speaker 3: and he is a very special player that influences coverages

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Speaker 3: and your run game, and just his presence out there

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Speaker 3: has a massive ripple effect. But so I'm going to

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Speaker 3: step up. Not great news. I mean, this is a

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Speaker 3: difficult team to play against in their building in particular,

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Speaker 3: and you want all your best guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. So if you look at it, George

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Speaker 2: Pickens has fifty five catches for eight hundred fifty yards

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Speaker 2: and three touchdowns. Of course, the fifty five catches and

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Speaker 2: eight hundred and fifty yards lead to Steelers. If you

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Speaker 2: take all the other receivers wide receivers who were active

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Speaker 2: for the last game, the five of them, they have

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Speaker 2: fifty two catches for eight I'm sorry, seven hundred and

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Speaker 2: ninety seven yards. Now they do have six touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: Though, Yeah yeah, yeah, but still, I mean he's the

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Speaker 3: featured guy. Yeah, he's top of the league and end

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Speaker 3: zone targets, all that kind of stuff, deep deep balls doing.

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Speaker 3: They scheme a lot of stuff up for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's concerning. I mean there's no doubt. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: didn't give any indication of how long term and injury

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Speaker 2: I mean no, I mean these are usually two to

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Speaker 2: four weeks, yeahlines grade two's or usually two to four

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Speaker 2: weeks something like that, and this will be week two.

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Speaker 2: The fact of pickings showed up were they didn't realize

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Speaker 2: how bad the injury was until they sent him for

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Speaker 2: an MRI tells me that he must have a pretty

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Speaker 2: high pain tolerance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he tolerant. I just think the same thing, like

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Speaker 3: if he wasn't jumping and screaming about it like that,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of bugging me, like maybe he didn't even

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Speaker 3: mention anything. It's been bugging him for weeks. Who knows,

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Speaker 3: you know, it just lives with it. Yeah, I'm a

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Speaker 3: tough guy. He plays hard, so you.

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Speaker 2: Know they'll have to do some things. But one of

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Speaker 2: those things could be involving Mike Williams a little bit.

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Speaker 3: More, I would think. I mean, I think that's a pretty.

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Speaker 2: Easy their closest to what Pickens can do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when they traded for Williams, they envisioned

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Speaker 3: a twin tower, big guy situation. But I'm sure it

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Speaker 3: list of guys we can't lose and what can we find.

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Speaker 3: It does some of those things you know, down the sideline,

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Speaker 3: he's time to throw him into the fire. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it was pretty much in every down type player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how, not only how

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Speaker 2: the Steelers adjust to life without George Pickens. For this week,

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Speaker 2: we saw how they adjusted to an end game. But

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Speaker 3: Right like to it went down to the wire, you

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Speaker 3: in that Browns game, no Steeler pass catcher had more

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Speaker 3: than a seventy two percent route chair you know, Pickens

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Speaker 3: So they it was by committee for sure. I mean

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Speaker 3: Jefferson led the way with snaps, and then it was Miller, Austin, Scronic, Williams.

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Speaker 3: But they were all between forty eight and nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would think that the Williams snaps go with

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Speaker 3: This week, I would think so. I think they go

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Speaker 2: Because and you know, even when we were sitting in

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Speaker 2: he's the he directs replacement for Pickens and a lot

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Speaker 2: of those because that's where he practiced that this week.

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Speaker 2: That's what you're gonna you know.

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Speaker 3: And I think there's a high level of trust with

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Speaker 3: them too, you know. I mean, he doesn't have the

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Speaker 2: But to the you know the point when you were

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Speaker 2: Well if Williams, if that was the plan and Williams

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Speaker 2: would have been a replacement for Van Jefferson.

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Speaker 3: Probably not, that's right, right, right, Yeah, I wouldn't know

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Speaker 3: without being a practice who's running in the X routes,

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Speaker 2: So when you find out an hour and a half

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Speaker 2: who ran those routes the most that week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point because we've talked about I

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Speaker 3: think we had a conversation about last week that wide

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Speaker 3: A lot of guys can do all the above. You know,

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Speaker 3: you look at Jamar Chaser and see the lamb last night.

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Speaker 3: They put them wherever they want. They're fine. But other

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Speaker 2: And pickings is probably that guy for the stealers. You

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Speaker 2: move him around on the formation. That's because we see

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Speaker 2: see him you know, wherever. Yeah, because he's their number

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the other guys have to work around him and

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, being able to come up with

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Speaker 3: Who else can do that. That's what we need to

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Speaker 3: find out. You know, I'm sure that Eagles will test you.

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Speaker 2: I would have to imagine you don't want to press

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't think. I mean, he's good at the line

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Speaker 2: He's a big dude.

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Speaker 3: He's so huge and strong obviously. What I just don't

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Speaker 2: Don't know if you know, necessarily needs to separate because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a big dude. He is a big dude. Wide

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Speaker 3: these corners aren't small though. Leigh and Mitchell first round

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Speaker 3: know that's it's a really good group all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, you know, this could be a

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Speaker 3: I would think times, I would think that he's probably

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Speaker 3: you guess leads a team in targets in Philadelphia that

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Speaker 3: you think it's Firemouth? Yeah, I mean he's ever.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's more throws to the backs again.

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Speaker 3: Too, it could be, I mean, their linebacker play. He's

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Speaker 3: Yet Firemouth's role keeps growing and growing, which is really promising.

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Speaker 3: I would think he's the answer. And then the receiver

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Speaker 2: Depending on the situation. You know, it's third and seven,

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Speaker 3: And Jefferson's kind of solid in all regards, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's probably the most trustworthy down in,

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Speaker 2: So I mean they'll try to cobble something together, and

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Speaker 2: So it's not again, it's not like.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they've been kicking around all weekend since they

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Speaker 2: It very much reminds me of the situation against Detroit

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Speaker 2: a couple of years ago during COVID when Ben Roethlisberger

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Speaker 2: I can't believe they tied the Lions here, and like

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Speaker 2: you have spent all week practicing like you're going to

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Speaker 2: have your starting quarterback there and Mason Rudolph took fifteen

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Speaker 2: to start, Like, yeah, it's not going to look completely

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this situation is definitely more palatable. You

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Speaker 3: don't know if you use you know more thirteen. You know,

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Speaker 3: they did a lot of that lately.

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Speaker 2: U's been doing this, Yeah, basically his entire career. Sure,

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Speaker 2: play left handed here a little bit. Now what do

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean one thing he has done and

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Speaker 3: always does at every stop has been getting a lot

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Speaker 3: I mean, without question. I mean they've eased I don't

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Speaker 3: they're getting on. The moving training thing applies to But

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Speaker 3: I would think, now, this is this is why we

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Speaker 2: I mean that was November fifth, so this is December tenth,

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Speaker 3: So it's make that a jumping off point. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 3: Offensive Vegers playmaker, Right, it's not so bad. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: they play without DeVante Smith and A. J.

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Speaker 3: No, they're doing a lot of good things. I mean,

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Speaker 2: You know, and they have more of that, more star

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they have three pass catching stars, with

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Speaker 2: Yeah. He was asked after the game, you know what

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Speaker 3: It's not great. I mean, he is struggling a little bit.

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Speaker 3: And I really think the Steelers are the best team

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Speaker 3: And I'll put pressure on Porter and Jackson and Mika

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, if you look at what Carolina.

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Speaker 2: He didn't play well at all, nor apparely for one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean that they have six great six

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's tough to live that way in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's even he's a very He's actually

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Speaker 3: better than ever. He averages like ten yards of scramble.

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Speaker 3: And there was a good article today that Ben Solec

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Speaker 3: Ben does good work. But like what some teams are

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Speaker 3: even doing is he loves rolling right so much that

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Speaker 3: he does go right while a spy just waits for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like when you're when you're playing a guy

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Speaker 2: to his left a whole lot. Sure you way over

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Speaker 3: It is a horse again to his good side, run

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Speaker 2: Well you can do that too, is yeah basketball, Okay,

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Speaker 3: of it? Pockets closed in on me, getting claustrophobic. He's

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Speaker 2: That's one thing. You know. The last time these two

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Speaker 2: yeah where he was just throwing it up and letting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it hasn't at all.

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Speaker 3: Brown's been a little bit of the squeaky wheel. I mean,

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Speaker 3: maybe they do more of that, like Jalen. Just trust

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Speaker 3: these dudes. These guys are really good. I have a

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Speaker 3: gat a ton of thought, but I think you put

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Speaker 3: work better that way too, you know. I mean Jackson's leader,

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Speaker 2: I would. I would probably shade Mink over Brown as well.

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Speaker 2: Just if you remember the last game, there was one

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and it was could have easily gone either way. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's not going to be any better without Goddard

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Speaker 2: exactly exactly. Grand Calcateriro, who's a nice player. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's a good story, but he's not Dallas Codter, No,

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Speaker 3: So I would think you want them and expecting balls

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing about them this year is if you

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Speaker 3: Barkley, it's bonkers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, saque the runner has been awesome, awesome, awesome. The

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Speaker 2: The year before that he cut fifty seven. The year

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Speaker 2: rookie year. Yeah, Like, this guy's really good receiving back.

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Speaker 2: He's got three hundred and seventeen catches for his career.

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Speaker 2: He's got twenty nine this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, like we talked about Fantasy a lot,

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Speaker 3: great o' line. But Hurts is gonna plunge all his

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Speaker 3: he just tucks it and runs. Well, I was right,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't expect him run for twenty two hundred

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Speaker 2: Touch he scored touchdowns, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean they score a lot of rushing.

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Speaker 3: That might be a better way. I mean, if I'm

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Speaker 3: easy completions and get his confidence back. And this pass

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Speaker 2: Well, last week he had tied his season low last

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Speaker 3: I wonder what I'll look into it, But I wonder

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Speaker 3: like he should never leave the field, and he's way

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Speaker 3: better than the second guy, But most running backs don't

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Speaker 3: He never had to do it at Penn State, of course. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But he's averaging nine point two yards of catch, I

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Speaker 2: know he has. Why wouldn't you want to use that?

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Speaker 3: I know, I know I would think that's a back

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had sixty targets last year with the Giants.

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Speaker 2: He has thirty eight right now, and.

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Speaker 3: They probably run a lot more plays in Philadelphia. They

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Speaker 2: The guys I get. He's averaging six point one yards

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Speaker 2: long ago. Derrick Henry was about one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 3: He's got some kind of streak going one hundred yard games.

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Speaker 3: It's five in a row or something like that, which

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Speaker 2: He's got four in a row, four in a row. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's one hundred and seventy six yard are in there,

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Speaker 2: there's one hundred fifty nine, there's a two fifty five,

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Speaker 2: there's a one forty six. You can't let that happen.

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Speaker 3: yards more on the ground, and he is getting his

437
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Speaker 3: carries though. He has twenty or more carries in six

438
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Speaker 3: of his last nine games, and a lot of those

439
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Speaker 3: they have a big league laid and he's still he

440
00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,840
Speaker 3: got him there. Yeah. Yeah, he might be MVP this year.

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Speaker 2: He's playing really well, and you can't let him go

442
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,280
Speaker 2: crazy in this game if you're the Steelers. And that's

443
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,960
Speaker 2: the fine line that you have to walk against this

444
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Speaker 2: Eagles team. They don't throw the ball a lot, No,

445
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Speaker 2: but they're scary when they do. They got scary dudes

446
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Speaker 2: on the outside. And then you've got to deal with

447
00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 2: this guy yep, and the quarterback running and quarterbacks a handful.

448
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Speaker 3: So he's doing ten yards of scramble right now and

449
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,400
Speaker 3: picking up first downs on fifty six percent of his scrambles.

450
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Speaker 3: I mean like he's doing it at right times. And

451
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,159
Speaker 3: all that stuff too. There's not a great answer, and

452
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,119
Speaker 3: it really isn't. Keeping him in the pocket and throwing

453
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,560
Speaker 3: is your best shot. But they're gonna move football. Yeah,

454
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Speaker 3: I mean it's a much different method, but it's kind

455
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Speaker 3: of like the Bengals conference.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a I don't put it to this way.

457
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Speaker 2: I don't expect maybe either team unless this turns into

458
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Speaker 2: a one side of the fair one way or the other.

459
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Speaker 2: I don't know that either team in this game is

460
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Speaker 2: going to want to throw the ball thirty five times.

461
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't think so. You would hope you don't have

462
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Speaker 3: thirty might be a lot, Yeah, yeah, you would hope

463
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Speaker 3: you don't have to. You know what's crazy about this

464
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Speaker 3: Eagles team is they're unbelievably bad in the first quarter. Yeah,

465
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Speaker 3: they score very very few points, like historically bad. But

466
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Speaker 3: then all the others are great. Obviously they're a high

467
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Speaker 3: scoring team, but their defense is really really good too. Like,

468
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Speaker 3: jumping up ten nothing on them is not as easy

469
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Speaker 3: as you think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get through a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back

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Speaker 2: with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and Matt wondering here if

479
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Speaker 2: the Steelers can't do what they typically do in a

480
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Speaker 2: lot of these situations and muddy the game up a

481
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 2: little bit against against this team. And here's the thing,

482
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Speaker 2: talking about some of the deep passing. I'm looking here

483
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Speaker 2: at all their touchdowns against Green Bay in week one,

484
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Speaker 2: they're down in Rio. They had a sixty seven yard

485
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Speaker 2: past AJ Brown from Jalen Hurts. Week four against Cleveland,

486
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Speaker 2: it was a forty five yarder against the Browns. He

487
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Speaker 2: also had a AJ Brown hit against the Giants in

488
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Speaker 2: week five to AJ Brown forty one yards, forty five

489
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Speaker 2: yards against Cincinnati and then none. Yeah, if you look

490
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Speaker 2: at their last you know what is that about? Eighteen

491
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Speaker 2: touchdowns one yard rush, fourteen yard pass, five yard pass,

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Speaker 2: eight yard rush, one yard rush, twenty three yard rush,

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Speaker 2: thirty nine yard rush.

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Speaker 3: Some long ones him.

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Speaker 2: The long ones are all Saquon six yard pass, seventy

496
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Speaker 2: yard rush, thirteen yard rush, seventy two yard rush, seventeen

497
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Speaker 2: yard pass, one yard rush, twenty five yard run, one

498
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Speaker 2: yard run, four yard pass, four yard pass. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: big play is missing in ash game for.

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Speaker 3: Them, It really is. I means they're explosives. Yeah, there's

501
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: no question about it. It's kind of like the Browns

502
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Speaker 3: conversation or the Steelers conversation Winston or without Wilson or

503
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Speaker 3: without but it happened earlier to them. But it's the

504
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Speaker 3: same quarterback. It's after week three.

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Speaker 2: I think he has he hasn't had a long He

506
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Speaker 2: had a twenty five yard touchdown pass against Jacksonville on

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Speaker 2: November three, and they don't have a touchdown pass of

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Speaker 2: more than seventeen yards since. Yeah, that's over a month.

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Speaker 3: And they've missed some of their guys, but they've always

510
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: had one of their guys. Yeah, they're not the worst

511
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Speaker 3: receiving core.

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Speaker 2: And they played Dallas, they played Washington, they played the Rams. Yeah,

513
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: they played Baltimore, they played Carolina. I mean that's five

514
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Speaker 2: games worth of game or five games and you haven't

515
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Speaker 2: had an explosive touchdown pass.

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Speaker 3: So again, I mean we talked about this a lot.

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Speaker 3: We talked about the draft season a lot. Teams tell

518
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Speaker 3: you what they're thinking by their moves, not necessarily the

519
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Speaker 3: words that come out of their mouth. Yeah, I mean,

520
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Speaker 3: and where I was going with the line of demarcation

521
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Speaker 3: with the hurt stuff. He threw three picks in the

522
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Speaker 3: first two games going through one since, but it was

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Speaker 3: like week three or so that they just took everything

524
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Speaker 3: off his plate. I mean, they basically said, we don't

525
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Speaker 3: really trust you anymore, and we got all these other things.

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Speaker 2: The sake one dude, this guy money, let's ride him.

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Speaker 3: That's ride him. And I think you need to put

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Speaker 3: the onus of the game on Hurts. And again, if

529
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Speaker 3: that means playing cover zero and begging him to throw deep,

530
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Speaker 3: it's scary.

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Speaker 2: But them right, Yeah, but okay, trust in those situations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or Minka is not even back there. I mean, like,

533
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Speaker 3: I think blitzing them, varying things, making impact that football

534
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Speaker 3: in the pocket is exactly what the Eagles don't want

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Speaker 3: you to do. They have so many good players though,

536
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Speaker 3: you know, like I think they have the best set

537
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Speaker 3: of tackles in the league, so an advantage you have,

538
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Speaker 3: Like I still think the Steelers D line has an

539
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Speaker 3: advantage over every OH line in the league, including the Lions,

540
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Speaker 3: and I would put the Eagles at number two. But

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Speaker 3: this is the best set of tackles you're going to

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Speaker 3: face probably in you know, years. Yeah, so that could

543
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Speaker 3: be good and bad. I mean it's definitely bad.

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Speaker 2: That being said, Hurts has still been sacked thirty five

545
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Speaker 2: times this year.

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Speaker 3: His time to throw is long. He doesn't feel comfortable

547
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Speaker 3: in the pocket. He'll roll out when he doesn't have to.

548
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Speaker 3: He feels pressure that's not there. He doesn't feel pressure

549
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Speaker 3: that is there.

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Speaker 2: Their sack percentage is almost ten.

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Speaker 3: And their pressure percentage is really high too, you know,

552
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Speaker 3: like pressure is allowed and those type of things.

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Speaker 2: So what that means, folks, is that one out of

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Speaker 2: every ten past pass attempts is a sack.

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Speaker 3: It's really they don't throw the ball a lot, right, right,

556
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Speaker 3: It's none of the reasons. I mean, he was thrown

557
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Speaker 3: interceptions early in the season, he's been taking sacks. That

558
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Speaker 3: there's too many negatives in their passing game and not

559
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Speaker 3: enough explosions to your point, I mean, the fact that

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Speaker 3: he's going through one pick since Week three or two

561
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Speaker 3: is crazy. Yeah, But it's also because he's being governed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're also thirteen games into this and he's got

563
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Speaker 2: sixteen touchdown passages right right with AJ Brown, Cavanter Smith

564
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Speaker 2: and Dallas godd And he went out and traded for

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Speaker 2: Godwin and yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right right. I mean they drafted two receivers too, and yeah,

567
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Speaker 3: it's one hundred percent true what their formula is. They

568
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Speaker 3: don't even hide it. But they're good at it, you

569
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Speaker 3: know what I mean. So back to the tackle thing,

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Speaker 3: this might be one of the teams that just says we're.

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Speaker 2: Not gonna help.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean we're gonna try to. That

573
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 3: could be bad. It could be good and bad. I mean,

574
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Speaker 3: like it's never great to play great players, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's going to be more difficult. But these

576
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Speaker 3: two tackles are awesome and they don't help them. You know,

577
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Speaker 3: they don't have to, you know. I mean a lot

578
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Speaker 3: of the time this week they will more than most.

579
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Speaker 3: But Lane Johnson's going to the Hall of Fame. I mean,

580
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Speaker 3: because here's.

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Speaker 2: DJ Watt right, that's Hall of Fame matchup exactly. I mean,

582
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Speaker 2: he handles left defensive ends all the time. You know, Parsons,

583
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Speaker 2: whoever it is now here's the thing about that, though

584
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Speaker 2: you can handle a guy. Let's say you feel back

585
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Speaker 2: to the pass rush plan. Yeah, let's say you go,

586
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Speaker 2: you play fifty five snaps or fifty let's say say

587
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Speaker 2: fifty snaps and offensive snaps, and that's slow.

588
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but it's a nice round number.

589
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Speaker 2: If you're the offensive lineman and you win forty five

590
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Speaker 2: of those snaps, should be a great day. Should be

591
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Speaker 2: a great day. But if the defensive guy wins five

592
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Speaker 2: of those, blows up two running plays and hits your

593
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Speaker 2: quarterback and one of those strips and one on the strip,

594
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Speaker 2: you had a bad day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the offense had the protection, had a bad Yeah. Yeah, No,

596
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Speaker 3: coach would be like, oh, I'll take that. You know,

597
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: it's not right.

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00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't work that way.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I mean even if he's moving what time

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Speaker 3: and time again in the run game, and Barkley's running

601
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Speaker 3: behind him, or he's you know, alone against him and

602
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: doing well for forty five snaps, right, and I wonder

603
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Speaker 3: are they going to blitz up the gut a lot?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a big a land in Roberts.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking too. Yeah, I mean, he

606
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 3: doesn't run as well to keep up with Barkley, but

607
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 3: he sets the tone.

608
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: He sets the tone, he sees stuff.

609
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think coming Downhill and their guards and

610
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 3: centers are good too, don't get me wrong. I mean

611
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: Stoutland's a phenomenal coach and they took Mackay Beckton from

612
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: the Jets and have turned him into a pretty good guard.

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Speaker 3: Even though he's six seven, six ' eight or whatever.

614
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 3: I mean, he's still not as good as Dickerson on

615
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: the other side, and Jurgen certainly isn't Kelsey. But I

616
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Speaker 3: think I want to. I want to get bodies and

617
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 3: hurts his face and make him throw the football or

618
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: hold the football. Guys want to mess with him and

619
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 3: throw a lot of stuff at him, and he was

620
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Speaker 3: really good at that. I think they're the best in

621
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Speaker 3: the league at it. In sort of divulging constructing a

622
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Speaker 3: pass rush plan. These edges aren't gonna run past him

623
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Speaker 3: and let run, They're gonna.

624
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Speaker 2: They're gonnam It's it's almost the Lamar plan exactly. But

625
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: you want to you want to constrict this guy in

626
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Speaker 2: the middle too, and you know that's where guys like

627
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Speaker 2: Cam Hayward could come into.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think it I mean, Cam Will, I'm sure

629
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Speaker 3: we'll have a great game no matter what. But he,

630
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Speaker 3: if I'm them, he's the guy I'm most worried about,

631
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: just because Haylan Johnson, you know what I mean. But

632
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: on the other side, right, they're really really good, you know.

633
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Speaker 3: But you know Hurts is gonna throw not over the middle.

634
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 3: You know he's so the ball is going to travel

635
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: a long distance. And if I can constrict him in

636
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Speaker 3: the pocket three and a half seconds into the snap

637
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Speaker 3: and he's pattent it and or you know, looked eyes

638
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 3: are dropping, you got a chance.

639
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Speaker 2: Even I would even try some you know, delayed blitzeres

640
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 2: and things up the middle. Okay, you're gonna try to

641
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 2: help on Cam with the center right up, up up

642
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: and just.

643
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Speaker 3: Go maybe even more stunts and stuff. They don't do

644
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: a lot of stunting and twists and stuff like that too,

645
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 3: But maybe, you know.

646
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Speaker 2: I would even and this might be a good game

647
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: to you know, move TJ around a little bit, let

648
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: him maybe maybe it's not a stunt, but I'm rushing.

649
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: We saw last week against the Browns when Herbig was

650
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: in the game with Watton Highsmith. A lot of the

651
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: times what they were doing because they knew that the

652
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: Browns were going to try to help on what sure,

653
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: that's where your extra help was at.

654
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

655
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So they put her big on the same side

656
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: as what Yeah, they did two or three times and Okay,

657
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: you're gonna put two guys over here. We're gonna rush

658
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: these two guys off of this edge. Herbig's gonna take.

659
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: You know, you're gonna be putting a back on herbig.

660
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: That's a that's a plan, right, and your your offensive

661
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: tackle is gonna have to, you know, handle Watt by himself.

662
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: Now it's you know, there's different things you can do

663
00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: with those kind of.

664
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: Packagesbsolutely and pass rush plan is gonna be one of

665
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: my key words of the week for sure. But that's

666
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: a great way of doing it too, is you know

667
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's such an advantage for Austin and

668
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: the defensive staff to know their protections are gonna roll

669
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 3: that way. You know, this week it might be less

670
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 3: because of Lane Johnson. So if they if they.

671
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 2: Try to do that and you go with that that

672
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: three outside linebacker package, and now all of a sudden,

673
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: you got Lane Johnson over there and he's got herbig

674
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: and wat right, right, right, like, which one is he

675
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: picking up? Because if he doesn't go get her big?

676
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want Calcata or Bariba even. I

677
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: mean again, Barkley's not great in protection. You know, I

678
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: don't want to either one of those guys dealing with

679
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: your edge, dude.

680
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: And if they put Kenneth game Wall out there, that's

681
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: a win.

682
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 3: That's a home run. Yeah, absolutely, Or there are other

683
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 3: tight ends, right, the Calciitara is great, but you're on

684
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: your third string tight end then.

685
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, So there's there's some different things that you

686
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: can do to win that particular part of the equation,

687
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: to win that part of the chess match. And that's

688
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: what this is gonna be.

689
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 3: Oh, it's gonna be. Yeah, And you hope you don't

690
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: get Hurts his best day where he's completing those long

691
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: ones day j Brown or you know, or he's playing

692
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: in rhythm because he hasn't lately.

693
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: No, I mean, just keep him off that, yeah rhythm.

694
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: I mean the beauty of it is Carolina. I forget that.

695
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: Ever Rose, his name, Carolina's defensive coordinator for the last

696
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: two years, has been brought up in head coaching conversation.

697
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: He was the guy they kept from the old. They

698
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: didn't let him leave.

699
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: He just doesn't make good players. So he's not gonna

700
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: becoming a coach because his defense stakes. Because they don't

701
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: have anybody. I mean, Derek Brown's even out their best dude,

702
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 3: but he divulges good plans. So if you look at

703
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 3: his it's nice that he went before.

704
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: You and you're doing it with better players.

705
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: He's doing with Ponds. And you have a queen and

706
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 3: a rook and you know you have stuff that actually

707
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 3: can do damage, you know. So, but the Eagles know

708
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: this stuff too, right, they're gonna work to what did

709
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: we struggle with last week? We better get ready to

710
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: We're gonna see that someone's gonna drive it down our

711
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: throat with their guys. But so we better be better at it.

712
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that you know, just because you're

713
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: better at it or you're prepared better, more prepared for

714
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: it because they're doing it with better players, doesn't.

715
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 3: Mean you could hit Paul Skins as fastball even though

716
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: it's coming. No. Yeah, Nolan Ryan and the Hill like

717
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: I'm throwing the heat, you know, do you can.

718
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: Defensively?

719
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: Obviously they're very danger ye, I mean obviously.

720
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: Defensively, They've been very good. Over the course of it

721
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: seems to better and better. Here's the thing, though, Matt.

722
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: Last week against Carolina, they give up one hundred and

723
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: eighteen rushing yards. The week before that against the Ravens

724
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: it was one sixty six. Now, I understand that the

725
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: Ravens run against everybody, Yeah, but they really those too. Now,

726
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: they hadn't been running the ball super effectively in recent weeks.

727
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: No, No, And I do think they prefer to play

728
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: like most teams. They prefer to be a nickel. They

729
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 3: prefer to be, you know, a four man front, two linebackers,

730
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: you know, is their preferred method. They want to be attacking.

731
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 3: They usually play with the lead. But their D line's good.

732
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: But I do think you can move them with those

733
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 3: type of O lines. Like Panthers have guards. They spent

734
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: overspent like crazy on guards and Ikwanu and those guys.

735
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: I think the Steelers are sort of built similarly.

736
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: Some of the teams that they've really shut down they played.

737
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 2: They shut down the Giants one hundred and nineteen total

738
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: yards in that game. Yeah, they shut down the Cowboys

739
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: without with Cooper Rush at quarterback, they had one hundred

740
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: and forty six yards. So those two games kind of skew.

741
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: The defense has been good, don't get me wrong, Oh

742
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: it is, and it's getting better and better. But some

743
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: of that, some of those numbers are skewed by those

744
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 2: two games. In particular, they held Jacksonville to two hundred

745
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: and fifteen yards without Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, so they've gotten

746
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: some sure quarterback luck there as well.

747
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: Sure, So I don't know how to take this exactly. Yeah,

748
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: I'm always into what personnel groupings are teams attacking you with.

749
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: Like opponents come out in eleven against the Steelers a lot,

750
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: you know, that's how they choose to start the game.

751
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: Now the Eagles are seeing eleven at the league's highest rate,

752
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: Like seventy three percent of the snaps when they're on

753
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 3: defense is against three wide. Now, obviously offensive coordinators think

754
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: that's our best path to victory. But I'm kind of

755
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: looking at from the flip side that they see twelve

756
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: personnel and thirteen personnel at the twenty fifth highest rate,

757
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 3: which we know the Steelers are going to run. I

758
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: love to play. I mean, they're number one in thirteen.

759
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 3: So is it one of those things like these teams

760
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: have never seen a fullback. Don't know what gaps to take,

761
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like do you or are

762
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: they just great against it that you? I bet they're not.

763
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: They have seen very very little thirteen personnel. I mean

764
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: under one percent of their snaps has been against thirteen personnel.

765
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: Well here's the thing. So if you I'm looking at

766
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: their depth chart here on our lads, they only have

767
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: five big guys on defense because they play they play

768
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: at three to four that they listed as a three four. Yeah,

769
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: and so Steelers are very comfortable running twelve or thirteen

770
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: personnel against three four. They do it all summer long.

771
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 3: Of course, and they want you to get your big

772
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: bodies on the field. Yeah you know.

773
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: And here's the thing, Like one of those guys, and

774
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: I love the player, but one of those guys is

775
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 2: Milton Williams. Yeah he's all he's an undersized upfield athlete.

776
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, so they've all kind of shapes and sizes. Yeah,

777
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: they really don't know. You know, Jordan Davis and Jalen

778
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: Carter are are massive human beings.

779
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: Davis in particular, Yeah, you know, Carter's phenomenal player.

780
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but then you know the backups are Moro

781
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: Jomo and Thomas Booker. That's what they got. And so

782
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: if I can make Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter.

783
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: And they don't want Davis to play a ton of.

784
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: Snacks, yeah, because so maybe I do want to go

785
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: big personnel against these guys I'm on the field. I

786
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: want to wear his butt out.

787
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because it's not like, even though they're

788
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: seeing a ton of eleven, you don't have pickens. And

789
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 3: apparently they're not bad defending it because all their defensive

790
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 3: numbers are right even though they get a ton of it.

791
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: I think it's a heavy thirteen game, you know. I mean,

792
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 3: let's get all their big guys out there.

793
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 2: And if you do that, you also keep Cooper Dejene

794
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: off the field.

795
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: He's a really good He's become like a do it

796
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: all nickel type guy. People.

797
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 2: Not that we're shocked by that.

798
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: I loved them, Yeah, but no, I think that's a

799
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: good strategy, without doubt. Another thing that's kind of odd too,

800
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: is they don't give up a lot of yards after

801
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: the catch, you know, like they're a good tackling team,

802
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: you know, they're some of that kind of stuff too.

803
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: That's pretty obvious with them.

804
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think that's maybe the way to attack

805
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: these guys is to go big personnel and say, Okay,

806
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: we're just gonna play big boy football all day long.

807
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: And I want Jordan Davis playing forty five snaps or

808
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: fifty kids. Oh yeah, you know, has he done that

809
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: all year? Probably not that, not because he's probably not

810
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 2: out there in their nickel and dime.

811
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: No, I mean in passing situations. I think Williams at Carter, Yeah,

812
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 3: and as good as Carter is, I owned a double

813
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 3: checklist too, but his snap count hasn't been super high. Yeah.

814
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 3: I think they keep rotating these guys. Okay, here it is. Yeah,

815
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: he's played fifty or more snaps now in four straight

816
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,959
Speaker 3: games after only having one of those in the first

817
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: nine games. So he's getting better and better, and he's

818
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: you know, he's the straw that starts to drink. I mean,

819
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: he's a total stud. But I don't know. I think

820
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: to your point, they don't want a Jomo and those

821
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 3: guys out there at time right now.

822
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so right now he's played eighty three percent of

823
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: their defensive snaps, which is a lot for defensive tackle.

824
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 2: A ton for a defensive tackle. That's kind of what

825
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: Cam Hayward did in his prime.

826
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

827
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at the other defensive tackles, Milton

828
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: Williams has played forty six point six percent of the

829
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: snaps and Jordan Davis is at thirty eight point six. Yeah,

830
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: that's about where they want him. That's where they want

831
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: those guys. You know, A Jomo's at thirty three point nine,

832
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 2: so basically thirty four percent, and Thomas Bookers is thirteen percent.

833
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: So I'm going to get big against these guys and

834
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: make them again. They only have.

835
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 3: Five and people haven't done that against them.

836
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: And the other thing about it is if you do that,

837
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: you're keeping guys like Brandon Graham off the field a

838
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: lot of times.

839
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 3: He's become more of a designated pass rush at his age,

840
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 3: you know, and he's still really effective.

841
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: Now, that also means you have to win. You have

842
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: to be able, You have to your guys have to

843
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: fall your running backs have.

844
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: To fall forward exactly exactly.

845
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: You know, if it's a three yard game, it's a

846
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: three yard game. And if you get a second three

847
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 2: yard game, okay, it's third and four. Yeah, and then Russell,

848
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: now it's incumbent upon Russell Wilson to get the ball

849
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 2: to the right guy on third and four.

850
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and convert and eat clock.

851
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

852
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: I mean I think that goes a long way too

853
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 3: against this group. Again, not an easy unit to play

854
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 3: against at all. There's a reason these guys have won

855
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: a lot of games in a row. But I think

856
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,479
Speaker 3: that would be my plan of attack on both sides

857
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: of the ball. Yeah, you know what we kind of

858
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: laid out here so far more we talk through it.

859
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 3: I kind of use their advantage that they haven't dealt

860
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 3: with a lot of tight ends on the feet. Yeah.

861
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: I also don't mind from and this is a different

862
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: aspect here.

863
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: C J.

864
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: Gardner Johnson, Yeah, likes to run his mouth a lot.

865
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's like the agitator.

866
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 2: On So I don't mind not having George Pickens out there,

867
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: not to get agitated.

868
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you'd rather he's out there, of course.

869
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: But imagine have him but that might turn into a

870
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: fist fight because guys have been known Gardner Johnson has

871
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: punched guys and to punch him yeah on his own team.

872
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I used to get in fights with like Michael

873
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: Thomas to practice fist fights and stuff. Yeah, he's the

874
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: guy he loves. He's a jerk. Absolutely, here's a different

875
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 3: word for that. Yeah. Yeah, So I wonder i'd need

876
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 3: to look into with two two corners on the field,

877
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: is going to be Sleigh and Mitchell. Yeah, the Jean's

878
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 3: the slot, but they also have him out there a

879
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: fair amount.

880
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: Well, and the free safety read blanket ship is hurt. Okay,

881
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: so you're probably looking at either Tristan and probably Tristan

882
00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: McCollum out there.

883
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: Okay, they list Gardner Johnson as a safety.

884
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just he's just the starting strong He's done

885
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: a lot of slot stuff in his career too. But

886
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: now they used the genie for that, right.

887
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: And have upgraded.

888
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: Right.

889
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 3: But they got a lot of versatile athletes there in

890
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: the back end. And I mentioned Bond. He's been great.

891
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 3: I mean that the Saints drafted him and kind of

892
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 3: rushed them off. He's a lot like Herbig.

893
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: To be another one of those Wisconsin guys.

894
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he was at a real similar career

895
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 3: to her Big, except he couldn't hold up at the

896
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 3: point like Herbig does and he's not as good as

897
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 3: pass rusher. So the Eagles moved him off the ball,

898
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 3: and he's been one of the best linebackers in the league. Yeah,

899
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 3: and then the Georgia guy has been good too, you know,

900
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 3: so the Kobe Dean.

901
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see how the If that's what

902
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: the Steelers choose to do here, I would, yes, that's

903
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: what they try to do here.

904
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean the more we talk about, I

905
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: think a lot of tight ends on the field.

906
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Steelers have a lot of tight ends.

907
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, So why not you don't play against

908
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: Art now Washington all that often?

909
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: No, you do not. Let's get through another break. He

910
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. We just

911
00:40:58,760 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: gave you the game plan.

912
00:40:59,600 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: There we go.

913
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: If the Steelers do that, yeah, but We're gonna take

914
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: a break, Matt, and I'll be back with more right

915
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: after this.

916
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

917
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

918
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

919
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale LOLLI he is

920
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and this is the Drive on the

921
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network. And of course you can hear the

922
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: Drive every Monday through Friday from four to six pm

923
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: right here on these very airways where you can download

924
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: the Steelers mobile app and listen to it there so

925
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: directly to your phone. You can listen to it whenever

926
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: you want to jump on that and do that, or

927
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: you can watch on YouTube. You can listen on YouTube

928
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: and leaguist comments about.

929
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 3: The show funny if you donny, you do.

930
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of good stuff on there. Matt. We're talking

931
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 2: about this game this weekend against the Philadelphia Eagles and

932
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: the uh one area for sure where the Steelers and

933
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: they typically do. But the one area for sure that

934
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: the Steelers have a an advantage is that place kicker.

935
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 3: Yes, this guy doesn't make any fifty yarders.

936
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: None, he's over five, over five, and Jake Elliott's a

937
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 2: pretty good kicker. He's only missed he's only missed one

938
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: kick inside of fifty yards.

939
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: I wonder if he's just getting that point of his career,

940
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: the vinetary point of his career. You know, you're just

941
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: a short yardage guy, you.

942
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: Know, So you know there's that advantage. And Philadelphia's punter

943
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: is Braden Man, who of course was here in training

944
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: camp a couple of years ago with the Steelers.

945
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 3: Maybe Danny knows that he's a little slow or doesn't

946
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: do this real well.

947
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, but he could have gotten better at some

948
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: things he's kicked.

949
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: He's kicked well this year a position. If you know,

950
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: they played against Kenny Pickett, they'd know how to play

951
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 3: against him too. No, yeah, exactly.

952
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's just a little interesting.

953
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: Who's on this, by the way, I didn't think of that.

954
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little sidebar there that. Yeah, something happens there

955
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: with the you know this stuff that maybe you can

956
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 2: take advantage of that in particular aspect of the game.

957
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 2: And the Steelers have been really good for the most

958
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 2: part on special teams all season long.

959
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 3: And it'll shock nobody. I mean, the Steelers are whatever

960
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 3: advanced scouting or metric group you want to use. They're

961
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: the first or second in the league and have special

962
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 3: teams top to bottom. I double checked Philly again. I'm

963
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 3: not going to watch their special teams tape, folks, and

964
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: trust me on that. But they're like right in the

965
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: middle of the league. So I was hoping they were terrible,

966
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: but they're in the middle of league middle. The long

967
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: distance kicking has been a big problem for them. Yeah,

968
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: it seems like a lot. The world of kicking seems

969
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: to be changing rapidly, Like there's so many seasons. Yeah,

970
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 3: there's so many, so many guys that make fifties like nothing.

971
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: But then there's a couple of these dudes like the Eagles,

972
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: the Ray the whole Steelers division outside of Pittsburgh that

973
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: have some kicker problems that don't usually have kicker problems,

974
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: you know.

975
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at it, like there are two

976
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: kickers in the division who have missed ten kicks this year. Yeah,

977
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: Cleveland and Tucker.

978
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. And even Cincinnati he's playing with the backup.

979
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, last night and Cleveland gave I can't even think

980
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: of the guy's name now.

981
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: It's not York last Yeah, that's he was a Brown.

982
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: He's been on like four teams and.

983
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: He's now kicking for the Bengals. Yeah, it'll come to

984
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: me at some point. They gave him money in the offseason.

985
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, they went out and got him. They went out

986
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 3: and got him.

987
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: Because he was supposed to fix their problems. He's missed

988
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: ten kicks.

989
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: So I know this is a short segment, but I

990
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: should know this. But as good as Weightman's been, what

991
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 3: does that mean for next year. Is Johnston under contract? Yes,

992
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 3: I thought he was a two year deal and I

993
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 3: adored him in camp. Yeah, it's hard to like trade

994
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 3: upon her. But I would hate to see Weightman and

995
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 3: leave for nothing, you know what I mean.

996
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 2: And he's the younger player, yeah, I guess by a lot.

997
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 3: I mean, you'd save kat Mar several years.

998
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: One thing that's gone kind of unnoticed with Cordless Weightman

999
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: this year and once you know, the Browns today cut

1000
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: Kadarius Tony Nah just released him.

1001
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: He's gonna set records for the number of teams he's on.

1002
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: But somebody brought this up to me a few weeks ago.

1003
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: I was doing something on special Teams or whatever. I

1004
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: can't remember who it was. I can't even remember who

1005
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: who said it, but they were talking about Weightman and

1006
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: you know the fact he's a left footed punter. Yeah,

1007
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: what's a different spin on the ball.

1008
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a Belichick thing forever.

1009
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why you see some of these muff punts.

1010
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it has a different spin on it.

1011
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: I think like ninety percent of Belichick's punting snaps were

1012
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,919
Speaker 3: always left footed guy. Right, It's like a left left

1013
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 3: handed pitcher, but way rare. Yeah, I mean, I don't

1014
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: know what percentage of NFL or Major league pictures.

1015
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like you can even Hey, let's bring

1016
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: in a left left footed punter this week we're playing

1017
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 2: the Steelers, Like, right, where are they?

1018
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think there's I think both these guys have

1019
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 3: a lot of value, you know. I mean Johnson unfortunately

1020
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: he's injured, but I loved him in camp. He was

1021
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: really special. Unbelievable, believable, Yeah, unbelievab And then they did

1022
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 3: a great job find a wait man. So yeah, those

1023
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 3: guys will both be NFL punters next year, no doubt

1024
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: about it.

1025
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. But anyways, let's get to

1026
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: a break. That's going to do it for our number

1027
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

1028
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: Matt and I will be back with our number two right

1029
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Speaker 2: after this