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Be sure to follow review 16 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: the podcast rate at five stars. Again, just search Jason 17 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: Smith and Mike Harmon wherever you get your podcasts. You'll 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: find today's show and the best of version posted right 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: after we get off the air. 20 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: So today the Knicks fire tips by Tips. 21 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: So I'm suckobye, No, I'm really not that unhappy. 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 3: I'm not that unhappy. I'm really not You're okay with it? 23 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 4: I mean you processed it the end, you had your 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 4: five stages of grief and you're done with it. 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 6: Man, it's a lot of handwringing and. 27 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 4: Outrage for some because of the job and the success 28 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 4: that the Knicks had. But what you were able to 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 4: do and accomplish this playoffs, does it carry over to 30 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: the next year, you don't start at that point. No, No, 31 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 4: I think folks are forgetting that part of the process 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 4: is that you have to go through the regular season 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 4: and get into the playoffs and have things go right again. 34 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 4: And trying to do that with Thibodeau and the approach 35 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 4: that had people wringing their hands and shouting from the 36 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 4: rooftops at the middle of this midpoint of the season 37 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: doesn't seem like a wise move in the process. 38 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 7: No. 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: No, I don't know if you know this. The NBA 40 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: is going to change a rule next year. The Knicks 41 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: get to start in the Eastern Conference Final. 42 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 6: Okay, so that's that's not a jumping off point. 43 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: All the games next year, the first eighty two. 44 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: Games beginning of the whatever playoffs, they're just warm up games, 45 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: and then we start with the Eastern Conference Finals. 46 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, just trying to give folks the the 47 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 4: old primer to it, all of how this stuff actually 48 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 4: works because you know past performance. You see it in 49 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 4: your stock trading stuff, all the stuff you get in 50 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 4: your your mailbox, like, hey, we could look at these 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 4: returns and then in really small print, past performance not 52 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 4: indicative of future returns. Yeah, just because it's worked in 53 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: the past doesn't mean it's going to work again. 54 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: Now, look, I've had a We've had this from a 55 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: lot of different angles, and I got a brand new 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: one for you here for the Knicks firing tips, right, 57 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: it is the big story. It's gonna take us through 58 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: a lot and through the doldrums of what's going to 59 00:02:52,919 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: be a very non competitive Coloma City Thunder NBA title river. Okay, okay, okay, 60 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: I gotta put something out there where what can I do? 61 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: Because I need you to stop putting out in the atmosphere. 62 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: I'd rather you say that the Knicks are gonna get 63 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: Reggie Miller to be their head coach, and the Knicks 64 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: are gonna get Doc Rivers because Reggie Miller is not happening. 65 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: Doc Rivers. I can see a scenario in which that happens. 66 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: I can see where he gets fired and it's Doc 67 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: gets fired and then unbeknownst to anyone, Dolan brings in 68 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: rivers and hires and without telling anybody, Like I can 69 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: afford that happening. I can see that happening. He is family. 70 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: He's not family. 71 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 5: No, he's not. 72 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: He's not a good head coach. I don't want him 73 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: near my team. Stop saying that. But he's family. He's 74 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: a no no no, not no never stop never stopping. 75 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: No, no, stop with that. I don't want that. 76 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 4: I don't want to sing bring him home, like Hugh 77 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: Jackman from Ladies, bring him. 78 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: He is he Docville Doc that would be his name, right, Yeah, exactly, 79 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: Vill Duck. Here's another hot take for you here. I 80 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: don't think the Knicks are as upset. The Knicks players 81 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: are as upset as you think they are at the 82 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: firing of TIBs right now. First you had the really 83 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: weird champagne toast of Julius Randall's wife put on social 84 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: media today. Obviously Randall gets shipped out of New York 85 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: and everybody's gonna blame. 86 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: TIBs, right. Remember the bit last year when they. 87 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: Were playing the early season game or the preseason game 88 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: against the Tea Wolves and Devincenzo was barking at TIBs, saying, 89 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,559 Speaker 1: but I can't finish, right, TIBs, but I can't finish 90 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: became a bit of a story. Obviously, two players that 91 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: played under him that got traded. He's not gonna be 92 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: They are not gonna be his favorite people. But when 93 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: you saw the reaction, you didn't. You didn't see a 94 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: lot of I hate this. This is ridiculous people on 95 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: social media. Brunson on social media, you had Josh Hart 96 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: right away post a very positive but goodbye emoticon to 97 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: TIBs right. 98 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 3: You saw him. But I hate thank you. But I 99 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: don't think the Knicks players are as are as upset 100 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: as as you would think, especially the players. I don't think. 101 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 4: Yeah they're still yeah, yeah, but they're good. 102 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 6: But there's that clip of Brunson. I mean that was 103 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 6: right after the game. 104 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: Well, what's are gonna say? I'm glad you asked me. No, 105 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: Tibbs is terrible. He's awful. 106 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 4: You know what if we if we'd been able to 107 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: close out that first game and he made this move 108 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 4: or that move, we'd still be no. Come on, he 109 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 4: was in the moment and he was still the coach 110 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 4: what's he gonna say. 111 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, if we had a different guy, I would say, yeah, 112 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: we could have won that series. 113 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: Next, next question, next question. I mean, comeball. 114 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: Of course it's gonna say that, But I go, look, 115 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: Tibbs deserves a lot of credit when you look at 116 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 1: the team and the roster he inherited in twenty twenty, 117 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my goodness, but he got the Knicks. 118 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: Look at where he got the Knicks to and yeah, 119 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but there is that. You can sit here 120 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: and say, well, it doesn't matter. He's a really good coach. Yeah, 121 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: he has proven throughout his NBA career something that you 122 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: like to say all the time. He has proven and 123 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: he is an A to B head coach, right, every 124 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: tear has been Yeah, every team he's coach, including your team, Minnesota, 125 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: he has been an A to B head coach. Now 126 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: is he a B two C head coach? And the 127 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: Knicks clearly have the roster, they have the talent, and 128 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: so far they've not been And this collapse was so bad, 129 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: the loss was so bad. He got out coached in 130 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Yeah, I can see exactly why the Knicks 131 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: are saying, yeah, maybe it's time for new leadership. 132 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 3: We've had Tips for a long time. 133 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 1: Look, I said when Tims came in, it's only gonna 134 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: be a couple of years because he's someone that you 135 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: can only play him for a few years, because he 136 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: wears out his welcome right, the way he coaches, his 137 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: hardass attitude. He's someone that after a few years you're 138 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: looking to move on. 139 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 7: Right. 140 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: I'm surprised it lasted this long with him, but this 141 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: is how it went right. He took over a team 142 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. He built the team well. But now 143 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: you have everything you need. Right, if you need to 144 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: make a trade, you have a trade. Youill have a 145 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: couple of first round picks you can trade. You have 146 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: talent you could trade. When you're trading, you can take 147 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: money back. The Knicks have become a destined now for 148 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: the first time in twenty years. Like this is this 149 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: is something that with Tibbs, I don't think. While it 150 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: may be upsetting a little bit because it's new, after 151 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: the season, Nick's probably going, what's our direction? What are 152 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: we gonna do? We just lost the game and now 153 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: we're dealing with a new head coach. Like I get 154 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: that part of it, but that's natural, but I expected 155 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: more of a what are we doing? Brunson's mad, somebody 156 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: else's mad. I thought there would have been more of 157 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: that today if that was the reaction. That's why I 158 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: look at what happened today is more. Yeah, the Knicks, 159 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: well we got a new head coach, But is it real? 160 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: Are they all really that upset? Is it really that's 161 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: something that we can't get over that Tibbs was our 162 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: guy and I'm gonna I'm gonna go to the mat 163 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: Forum and I'm you know, I want out of here 164 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: if you're gonna fire Tibbs. No, I didn't see that look. 165 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: And again that's why it wasn't shocking to me when 166 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: it happened. We had talked about this for a week, 167 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: over a week that Tibbs could get fired, right, I 168 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: thought Karl Anthony Towns was the more likely guy to 169 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: to be to get kicked out of town because he 170 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: could bring more in a trade. Defensively, he doesn't work. Brunton, 171 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: of course, is going to play the majority of the minutes, 172 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: is a top five player in the league. You can't 173 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: have both of them out there defensively, But him and 174 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: TIB's getting fired. Those are the two big things, and 175 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: TIBs got fired. I was not surprised at it. I 176 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: don't think the Knicks for is surprised. And that's why 177 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: I don't think the questions to Jalen Brunson at the 178 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: end of the end of the end of the game, 179 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: do you think Tibbs is the guy WHOA lots of 180 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: times people don't ask that question unless they kind of 181 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: know something, unless they kind of think something is coming, 182 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: because that's a weird question to ask right after the 183 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: game in the postgame press conference. So sometimes when I 184 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: hear that question, go, oh, that's such a horrible question 185 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: to ask, I don't And sometimes it's oh, maybe somebody 186 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: knows something and they're throwing that out there about Tibbs 187 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: to see the answer because they know what's coming, right Like, 188 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't that surprising. Wasn't surprising to me, And I 189 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: think it's a It's a change that is going to 190 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: wind up being fine for the Knicks and the players 191 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: will move on to the next head coach. 192 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 6: That's been swirling in the background. 193 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 4: I mean, we were talking about it at the end 194 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 4: of the regular season, and then certainly as the playoffs 195 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 4: developed and you wonder if a run to the Eastern 196 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 4: Conference Finals changes the thinking. But overall, it's the philosophical 197 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 4: part of all, right, what's the roster construction? How long 198 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 4: can you play in the style that Tibbs wants you 199 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 4: to play in? And even if players buy in to 200 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 4: a degree physically, there's only so much you can do. 201 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 5: Right. 202 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 4: We've talked about it a lot with Karl Anthony Towns. 203 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 4: He's a decade in the league. This isn't a second 204 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 4: or third year guy that you're saying, you know what, 205 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 4: with a little more work here, here, here, he's now 206 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 4: going to become an a plus defender and he's going 207 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: to close out on three point shooting big men and 208 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 4: all of that stuff that. 209 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 6: No, it's not changing. 210 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 4: Jalen Brunson is not suddenly going to sprout three inches 211 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 4: taller and become a better defender and fill the passing 212 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 4: lanes and all that other stuff that you watch defenders 213 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 4: work against him. Right, you're trying to do those matchups 214 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 4: and you're trying to figure out the best way to 215 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,839 Speaker 4: run a squad. And I'm sure there were a lot 216 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 4: of fights over the course. 217 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 3: Of the year. 218 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 4: I mean, look at the number of minutes played again, 219 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 4: grinding through a regular season as if you were already 220 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 4: in a playoffs series, Like, it's not sustainable. It just 221 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 4: isn't You watch guys burn out? What do we always 222 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 4: joke about Joe kim now in Chicago and then with 223 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 4: your Nicks. He was a embodiment of a Tibbs player 224 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 4: because he tried hard. What did that get you for him? 225 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 4: A lot of money and a nice long career. But 226 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 4: was he a winner? 227 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 5: Right? 228 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 3: Did he win? 229 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 7: No? 230 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: He wont at the collegiate level I want. So if 231 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 3: you're looking to. 232 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 4: Finish the job, it really does go back to the encapsulation. 233 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: Of that A to B, B two C model. 234 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 4: It's like, all right, you've established the base and you 235 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 4: got your fan base hungry for more, which is great. 236 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 6: There's no apathy anymore because. 237 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 4: Generally it's like, yeah, they're excitable to a point because 238 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 4: they know the ceiling is very low and they're about 239 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 4: to hit their head on it. Here was Hey, we're 240 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 4: taking over and the sky's the limit until that game 241 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 4: one collapse to where it becomes the reality check of 242 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 4: all right, let's pause, let's reset, and organizationally, you know, 243 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 4: folks are going after James Dolan, and he's done a 244 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 4: lot of dumb things now, a lot of dumb statements 245 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 4: and moves. This one makes sense, especially because you do 246 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 4: have a very deep roster of potential coaching replacements out there. 247 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, and and the other reason. Right, we 248 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: talked about the big reason, which we'll get into coming 249 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: up in a few minutes, a very simple reason why 250 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: Tims was fired. The other reason is this, right that 251 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: that I look, you want a Knicks fan to tell 252 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: you why these are happening, right, there's nobody better listened to. Well, 253 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: there's always nobody better listen to our show, but especially 254 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: moments like this where it's about our teams. 255 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: Tims had a bad playoff. 256 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: Right, You had the not getting Jalen Brunson in the 257 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: game against the Pistons in which they lost by three, Which, 258 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: how do you let all this time go and not 259 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: have your beat player on the court in the last 260 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: four minutes? Like that's ridiculously bad. He's completely out coached 261 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: against Rick Carlisle. Everything the Pacers wanted to do, TIBs 262 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: could not adjust to. There was no there wasn't even 263 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: any any sort of Hey, we're gonna try to combat 264 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: what they do it's we're gonna throw out there and 265 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: just do the same things, just try to do it better. 266 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: Right Game two, when Siakam comes out and has a 267 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: game of his career, they clearly weren't ready for anything 268 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: that the Pacers wanted to do with that. Rick Carlisle 269 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: coach circles around tips, but mainly it's this. The Knicks 270 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: biggest achilles heel that we saw in this series was 271 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: their defense, right was added, Their defense was no good 272 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: and Karl Anthony Townsend Brunson can't be on the court together. Okay, 273 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: TIBs came in being a defensive coach. His identity is 274 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make my teams into being great defensive teams. 275 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: And that was the Nick's identity for a long time. 276 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: But now in a year they are hell and gone 277 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: from that identity. They're a great offensive team and the 278 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: defensive set they can't play defense at all. You have 279 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: to pay He just ran up and down the floor 280 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: on them. So if the reason you brought a coach 281 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: in is no lay for the certain identity and that 282 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: team no longer has that identity, is he really the 283 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: right guy? I mean, we're so think about that, Like 284 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: he was a defensive cut. The Knicks are horrible defensively, Okay, 285 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: So if he came in with that being his cachet 286 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: and that's what the team was, if they've gotten away 287 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: from it, it's probably time for somebody else. So you 288 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: want the other reason why Tis got fired? 289 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 3: That was it? 290 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 6: Somebody else? 291 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: Somebody else, exit out by the Fresca exit swollen down 292 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. 293 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: Coming up next, NBA insider Mark Stein stops by. He 294 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: gives us his take on what happened with Tibbs and 295 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: the Knicks, who could be next for them, and who 296 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: he thinks is walking away with the Larry O'Brien Trophy 297 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: when we finally get to the NBA Finals on the 298 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: fourth of July. 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Frostburg's trying to 327 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: make Doc rivers to the Knicks happen. 328 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 8: Oh, what's happening? 329 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: It's not it's not happening. It's not it's no no Stott, Stott, 330 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: stop Doc. I want Doc Rivers nowhere near my team. 331 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: Stop putting that out there. 332 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:29,359 Speaker 8: Next guest. 333 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: Joining us down the hotline for all the big NBA reaction. 334 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: Check them out on substack. 335 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: Longtime NBA insider friend of the show, Mark Stein, Mark, 336 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: what's happening? 337 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 6: Man? 338 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: Welcome back? How are you? 339 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 5: The phone lines are busy, but I was worried about 340 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 5: you today with this Knicks news, so I said, I better, 341 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 5: I better, I better, I better answer the phone if 342 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 5: I get a call from the eight one to eight, 343 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 5: so I picked up. 344 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it. 345 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 7: How are you? 346 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: How are you? 347 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 3: You know better than I thought. Well, let's listen. 348 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: If you called me after the Eastern Conference Finals ended, 349 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: I would have given you a different answer. But look, 350 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing is that and we talked 351 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: about this earlier in the show. Sometimes some losses are 352 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: just so bad, and losing Game one in the series 353 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: and an all time NBA historic way, like I get 354 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: why the Knicks said, you know, we want to have 355 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: a clean Slaton start over because that loss was just 356 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: so bad. I mean, no one in the history of 357 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: the league had ever lost that way, and so I 358 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: kind of wasn't surprised by it. So even though this was, hey, 359 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: it was a shocking headline today, I wasn't really surprised 360 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: that they moved on from it. 361 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 3: How are you when you heard when you heard the news. 362 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 5: Look, you can't deny that it was a rocky season. 363 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 5: I mean it was not. The Knicks ended up with 364 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 5: a third seed. They ended up beating the defending champions 365 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 5: in the second round, but there was a lot of 366 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 5: tumult sandwiching the second round of the playoffs. Obviously the 367 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 5: Detroit series, the Knicks had their issues. The Indiana series, 368 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 5: as you said, was you know, a huge lost opportunity. 369 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 5: And during the regular season, I mean this team went 370 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 5: zero to ten against the Thunder, the Cavaliers, and the Celtics. 371 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 5: So there were plenty of issues during the season. But 372 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 5: I have to say I heard this from a number 373 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 5: of people around the league. When I you know, when 374 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 5: something like this happens, it's just text and phone calls 375 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 5: just fly all day. People want to talk about it. 376 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 5: When Jalen Brunson came out in such strong support of 377 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 5: Thibodeau after the Indie Series, I think that kind of 378 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 5: convinced a lot of people around the league that he 379 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 5: was going to survive and he was safe. But had 380 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 5: tipped to my guy, Ian Begley, my longtime former teammate. 381 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 5: He's now working for SNY and he reported that in 382 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 5: the exit interview since the Indie series, that James Dolan 383 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 5: was sitting in on some of these meetings, so that 384 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 5: that's unusual. It's a rare step, and you see the 385 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 5: abrupt result and the abrupt change. So there was people 386 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 5: it was one of those deals where I mean for 387 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 5: people on the floor shot you know, no, but there 388 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 5: was a fair amount of shock around the league today. 389 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: I would say, so if this is, you know, part 390 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: of the genesis of how it went, because the other 391 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: thing we talked about earlier was that, yeah, I think 392 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: it's shocking for the Knicks, for the players, but I 393 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: don't think it's one of those hey, Tibbs is our guy, 394 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on here types of situation. 395 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: It's more, oh hey, yeah Tibbs, we owe a lot 396 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: to him. We got we got pretty far. But I 397 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: don't think the Knicks are so broken up about it that, 398 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: oh man, this is something that's gonna, you know, cause 399 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: more tumult in the organization. 400 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 5: Well, here's the other thing. I mean, the main reactions 401 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 5: that I got when this happened was, you know, a 402 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 5: the you know what when it just comes out of nowhere. 403 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 5: Timing wise, it certainly surprised people. But then the other thing, 404 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 5: almost universally, the reaction when I talk to people from 405 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 5: other teams was well, surely the Knicks have their next 406 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 5: guy lined up. You know, whether you are a TIBs 407 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 5: fan or not, he is the runaway most successful coach 408 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 5: this franchise has had in the twenty first century. I mean, 409 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 5: they have not been this good for a long time. 410 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 5: So for them to move away from him, and then 411 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 5: knowing the relationship between Leon Rose and Tom Thibodeau, you 412 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 5: you know, it is natural to presumable they must know 413 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 5: the direction they're going. And look, maybe I guess it's 414 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 5: feasible that they're gonna surprise us. What all the initial 415 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 5: indications are that they don't have this super locked in 416 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 5: succession plan. I mean, you guys are making these these 417 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 5: jokes about Doc, but like that's saying nobody there isn't 418 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 5: a clear cut who's taking over name, and that adds 419 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 5: to the surprise here. 420 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: Well, that's the beauty of it. 421 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 4: Mark is like, we've been having some fun with the 422 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 4: lists from the betting sites and the online marketing do. 423 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 5: Not bet NBA coaching highers, Okay please not no, no. 424 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 4: No, no no, because it's fun, right, some of the 425 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 4: names mixed in there, and then you see, Hey, Rick 426 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 4: Brunson's got lower odds or I guess better odds than 427 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: someone like Rick. 428 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 5: Rick Brunson will not be the head coach now. I 429 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 5: have a strong feeling he will stay on on the staff, 430 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 5: but I don't foresee him being the next head coach. 431 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: But the most entertaining of all, though, Mark, is the 432 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 4: the campaign being waged by Meta World Peace. 433 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 5: Hey, I love I love my guy Meta. I'm not 434 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 5: sure that he has a great chance of getting the 435 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 5: getting the job either, but I got a I got 436 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 5: a lot of love for Meta. 437 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 4: Do you have any sense of where, where, what direction 438 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 4: they're looking at? I mean, obviously roster constructions part two 439 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 4: of all this phase, But do you have any any inkling? 440 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 5: Well, look, I mean a slew of names, as you 441 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 5: guys said, are being thrown around. You know, Jay Wright 442 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 5: would be a natural candidate because obviously Brunson, Josh Hart 443 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 5: mckel bridges love Jay Wright. 444 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: I mean, they won. 445 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 5: National championships in college with him. But Jay Wright has 446 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 5: consistently said four years that he doesn't want to come 447 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 5: to the NBA. Now is that a set in stone 448 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 5: forever position? I don't know. I'm not close enough to 449 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,719 Speaker 5: day write to know that. You know, I've covered him 450 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 5: a little bit with USA B, but you know I 451 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 5: did not cover his very successful college coaching career. Is 452 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 5: there anything there? I think we're going to have to 453 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 5: wait and see. 454 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 3: Now. 455 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 5: Johnny Bryant is someone who worked on Tom Thibodeau's staff 456 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 5: in New York. He's currently a finalist for the Sun's job. 457 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 5: Johnny Bryant and Jordan not both assistant coaches in Cleveland. 458 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 5: They are finalists for the Sun's job. That could be 459 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 5: we could learn the Sun's coach as early as tomorrow Wednesday. Now, 460 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 5: so an we don't know yet that Johnny Bryant would 461 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 5: be available, but let's play along and say he is. 462 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 5: Let's say that the Suns decide that they're going to 463 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 5: hire Jordan Nott and Johnny Bryant remains available. Are the 464 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 5: Knicks really going to turn to a first time head 465 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 5: coach when the first sentence of Leon Rose's statement explanation 466 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 5: to the public to explain this coaching change is winning 467 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 5: a championship is the absolute focus of this franchise. Do 468 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 5: you throw a first year head coach into a championship 469 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 5: or bus situation in probably the brightest spotlight there is 470 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 5: for a coach in this league? 471 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: You know, you throw that out there, Mark, and let 472 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: me tell you my top three. 473 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 3: Tell me what you think. Obviously Joe Rhightt would be there, right. 474 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: Obviously, Jay Wright he would be he would he would 475 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: be the first guy the phone call I would make. 476 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: But the other two guys I honestly like the most 477 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: Mike Brown and I don't know that it might not 478 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: be time to give Sam Cassell that shot. I know 479 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 1: what you would be, hey, obviously long time up and 480 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: coming next great head coach potentially rather than have somebody 481 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: who's been around a while, like. 482 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,479 Speaker 3: Are gonna go for Monti Williams or someone like that. 483 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: But Mike Brown, Sam Cassell, those be the two guys 484 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: outside of Jay Wright that really intrigued me. 485 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 5: Well, look, both you know we talked about Jay Wright. 486 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 5: So let me focus on Mike Brown and Sam Cassell 487 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 5: both excellent coaches. But you know, Mike, like Tibbs, is 488 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 5: a defensive specialist. If you went away from Tibbs, you 489 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,479 Speaker 5: could say the same thing about Mike Malone. Michael Malone 490 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 5: is also available. Now you know, these are all coaches 491 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 5: who are known as defense first coaches. If you're going 492 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 5: to go away from Tom Thibodeau, you would think that 493 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 5: offense is an element that you would be focusing on 494 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 5: for your new head coach. So that's why, I mean, again, 495 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 5: only the Knicks know where they really stand, and I'm 496 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 5: not going to purport to say that I've tapped into 497 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 5: their front office and know exactly what their next move 498 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 5: is on the coaching front. But I've mostly heard skepticism 499 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 5: when you've the names today, like when you hear Michael 500 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 5: Malone or Mike Brown or Taylor Jenkins, all very good 501 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 5: coaches who were dismissed during the season. I'm with you 502 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 5: on Sam Cassell. I'm surprised he didn't get consideration that 503 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 5: you know, Phoenix interviewed so many coaches. I'm not sure 504 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 5: why Sam wasn't involved there. I mean, he is long 505 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 5: overdue for a head coaching shot. And everywhere he's been 506 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 5: in this as an assistant, I always hear just what 507 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 5: a great connection he forges with players. It's going to 508 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 5: be very interesting to see where this thing goes, because again, 509 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 5: Tom Thibodeau, he has many supporters, he has many detractors. 510 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 5: But and I hope you guys, hope you if you 511 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 5: guys hear in the background there is massive thunder in 512 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 5: this region. As obviously they know in Oklahoma City with 513 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 5: the Pacers and all their trouble just getting to the 514 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 5: NBA Finals today, But we've got it here in Dallas too, 515 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 5: So you might hear some thunderous booms in the background 516 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 5: here as I'm as I'm blabbering. But it's gonna be 517 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 5: it's gonna be fascinating to see where the Knicks go 518 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 5: with this search because you know, again there's a lot 519 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 5: of pressure on them to you know, Tom Thibodeau is 520 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 5: a very very successful coach there, no matter whether you're 521 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 5: a fan or not. And so they got to get 522 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 5: this right. And you know, Leon Rose said it, I mean, 523 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 5: they've got to win a championship. The Knicks have not 524 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 5: won a championship for more than fifty years. That's that's 525 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 5: the every season goal for this franchise. 526 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 4: Now we look at the roster side of things, is 527 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 4: Carl Anthony Towns back or do we see him shuffled? 528 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 4: And is it just Jalen Brunson and then he picks 529 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 4: his own eleven. 530 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 5: It's too early to say. I know that's not the 531 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 5: answer you want, you know, I'm I mean Karl Anthony 532 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 5: Towns also commands such a high salary that in the event, 533 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 5: I mean, in the event the Knicks we're going to 534 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 5: turn around now and try to trade him, I'm not 535 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 5: sure completely sure what that market would look like. I mean, 536 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 5: Karl Anthony Towns is a dynamic center offensively, but you know, 537 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 5: the defensive issues are well chronicled and they certainly affect 538 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 5: did the Knicks in the playoffs? 539 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 7: Right? 540 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 5: Can you win a championship in the NBA with Towns 541 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 5: as you're five man? And if the answer is no, 542 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 5: can he be as as effective as he needs to 543 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 5: be offensively if you play him at the four next 544 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 5: to a big guy? And what does that do for 545 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 5: Brunson and the spacing all over the court otherwise? So, 546 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 5: I mean, the Knicks knew all this when they made 547 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 5: the trade and They're going to have to figure it out. 548 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: Mark Steine with us, Jason Smith Mike Harmon, live from 549 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: the Fox Sports Radio studios. Okay, we get closer and 550 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: closer now of the NBA Finals. Last time we get 551 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: to talk to you before the finals begin. Your pick 552 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: is who and how many games? 553 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 5: I went Thunder and six because I'm that high on 554 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 5: the Pacers. I think this is going to be a 555 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 5: tougher series and advertised. I mean, look, if you just 556 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 5: go through all the numbers from what the Thunder did 557 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 5: during the regular season, fifth thing should be a five 558 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 5: game series. I mean the Thunder they should win the championship. 559 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 5: I mean, they all the metrics that you can look 560 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 5: at for the way this season has unfolded, they should 561 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 5: win it all. But I think the Pacers. I think 562 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 5: the Pacers have been the most underrated team in the 563 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 5: league for a long time. And you know, I guess 564 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 5: you can't really be underrated anymore if you're in the 565 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 5: NBA Finals. But they are such overwhelming hunderdogs in the 566 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 5: series that I kind of think they're still in that 567 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 5: well and look Chapeau to Tyrese Halliburton, who I am 568 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 5: a I am an? I am a relentless grudge holder. 569 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 5: I can't let grudges go. It's one of my it's 570 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 5: one of my faults. But I love as a grudge holder. 571 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 5: I love I love the absolute mileage, the slight mileage 572 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 5: that Halliburton keeps getting out of this overrated thing. Because 573 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 5: you guys realize that when the Athletic did that story, 574 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 5: only ninety players were pulled. Thirteen guys name, thirteen nameless 575 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 5: players are the ones who said Halliburton is the most 576 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 5: overrated player in league. So it's only thirteen players in 577 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 5: a league with more than four hundred and fifty. 578 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 7: And he has just used that and used. 579 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 5: That, and Michael Jordan would be proud how much he has. 580 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 7: Used this called the overrated I mean like it's I mean, 581 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 7: it was thirteen guys, what. 582 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 6: Was a poll of ninety? Mark, so it statistically counts. 583 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 5: It's a non story. And we keep talking about. I 584 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 5: guarantee you if they Steel Game one and Halliburton plays, well, 585 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 5: what do you I mean, you guys are gonna have 586 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 5: me on and you'll be saying, you'll be bringing it up. 587 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on Twitter at the steinline. That is at 588 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: the steinline. Mark is always appreciated. We'll talk to you 589 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: as the NBA Finals unfold. 590 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 5: Have a good one, all right, that sounds good. 591 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 6: Thanks, Mark, be great. 592 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: I love it because it is like this whole poll 593 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: that came out. You forget, this wasn't four hundred players 594 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: across the peak that were. 595 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 7: Right. 596 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 6: It was ninety. 597 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 4: But again, as long as it's more than thirty, were 598 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 4: statistically relevant. 599 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 6: Go back to your basic stats. 600 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 4: So when folks started yelling about, oh, you know, take 601 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 4: a stats course, like yeah, greater than thirty, we can 602 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 4: talk about it as statistically relevant. The fact that they 603 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 4: only got one what one fifth of the players are thereabouts? 604 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 4: That that traversed the NBA. That doesn't matter. Exit out 605 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 4: by a Fresca exit swollen dome. Jason Smith Mike Harmon 606 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 4: live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. 607 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: Time now to find out what's trending in the wide 608 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: world of sports. Man has been the Tyres Halliburton of 609 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio because he was named most overrated on 610 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: air employee in a pole recently it's Steve de Sager. 611 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 8: I think you have to be rated first to be overrated. 612 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 3: But it was only a couple of people. 613 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 8: It was just only a carcentage sure, yeah. 614 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 9: NBA Finals start Thursday with Indiana at Oklahoma City and 615 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 9: then Game two is Sunday. By the way, the pacers 616 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 9: arrival in OKC for the Finals was delayed by weather 617 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 9: because there was a thunderstorm watch for OKC today and 618 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 9: a tornado warning and a flood watch, and the flight 619 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 9: was diverted to. 620 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 8: Tulsa to refuel. 621 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 9: By the way, last weekend, the clincher against the Knicks, 622 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 9: the Game six of the East Finals averaged over eight 623 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 9: million viewers on cable, making it the most watched game 624 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 9: of the NBA season so far. Previous high was on 625 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 9: Christmas Lakers Warriors got nearly eight million. 626 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 8: Well, the Knicks got embarrassed in front of that many people. 627 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 9: And then today the next fire coach after five years 628 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 9: in New York, speaking of embarrassing last summer, he signed 629 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 9: a three year contract extension that I believe kicks in 630 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 9: all right about now. Three WNBA games tonight eight no 631 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 9: Minnesota beat Phoenix, Indiana at homebeat Washington, Caitlin Clark still 632 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 9: out with a string quad Seattle got to come back 633 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 9: home win eighty three seventy seven over Dallas, which is 634 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 9: one and seven. Erika Gunbawala in the loss four baskets 635 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 9: in four quarters, but of course she kept shooting four 636 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 9: fifteen from the floor. 637 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: There you go. 638 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 8: In this defeat. 639 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 9: US women's soccer won four nothing over Jamaica in an 640 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 9: exhibition in Saint Louis. Number two c Carlos Alcarez when 641 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 9: his quarterfinal at the French Open to Major League Baseball. 642 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 9: The Mets are holding on five to four over. 643 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: Holding on right now, Reed Garrett, who has been the 644 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: best reliever in baseball this year, is imploding in this inning. 645 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 8: It just struck out Freddy Freeman. 646 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: So we do throw three pitches in the dirt and 647 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: a wild pitch, and it's what is happening. 648 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 5: You know. 649 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 9: Max Munsey homer in the first tonight off the Mets 650 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 9: starter Tyler McGill, who then retired sixteen of seventeen batters. 651 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 9: The Mets are holding on five to four in LA. 652 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 9: In the bottom of the eighth inning, second and third, 653 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 9: one out for LA. The Twins are now up nine 654 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 9: to three. 655 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 8: At the A's in the top of the eighth. 656 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 9: The A's have lost seven in a row and eighteen 657 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 9: of their last nineteen. Baltimore won five to one at 658 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 9: Seattle winning pitcher Tomayuki Sugano went seven strong innings. Seattle 659 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 9: first place in the AL West was a half game 660 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 9: over Houston. Houston won earlier three to nothing at Pittsburgh, 661 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 9: beating Paul Skeins and what a comeback for the Padres 662 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,719 Speaker 9: at ten inning win at San Francisco three to two, 663 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 9: Manny Machado a two run single with two outs in 664 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 9: the ninth to tie. He went four for four. So 665 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 9: San Francisco's offense, now, this is sixteen straight games they've 666 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 9: scored four runs or less for the first time since 667 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 9: nineteen sixty five Yankees in Philadelphia each one. Cincinnati ended 668 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 9: Milwaukee's eight game winning streak four to two with a 669 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 9: run in the seventh and a run in the eighth, 670 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 9: and the Mets have just tagged out a runner near 671 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 9: home plate. It is still a five to four New 672 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 9: York advantage, two outs in the eighth. 673 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 3: Back to you, Thank you, Steve O. 674 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: The Jason Smiths are with Mike Carmon live from the 675 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio studios to Askar Hernandez grounds to third. 676 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,760 Speaker 1: Ronnie Mauricio makes the play, they get sho Heyo Tani 677 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: in a rundown. So now two outs the tying run 678 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: at third as the Dodgers continue to bat here in the. 679 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 3: Bottom spectrum on the call there uh spectrum. 680 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: Coming up next, we get into an NFL story of 681 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 1: a trade that was gonna happen, then it was dead, 682 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: and now it could be happening again, and it doesn't 683 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,240 Speaker 1: change the fact that it's stupid for both teams. 684 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 3: That's next right here, chasing to Mike Fox Sports Radio. 685 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith 686 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 2: Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven 687 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 2: pm Pacific, Fox. 688 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike. 689 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: We'll have more on the big firing coming up in 690 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: about ten minutes. But I I you know, we're definitely 691 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: in that mode now of we're waiting for football. Like 692 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: you know, some teams are in their office'son OTAs and 693 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: it's great and some of the stuff, oh my god. 694 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: The highlight today of Travis Harner, which may want to 695 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: get to that tomorrow on the show, is just what. 696 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 4: We got that we got who's completing passes at the 697 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 4: greatest rate. 698 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're finding everything out of out of 699 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: what's going on right now, but. 700 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 3: Football right because because teams. 701 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: Are in there, are in there, you know, in their 702 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: no helmet or no pads practices. You know, sometimes the 703 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: the media gets to see sometimes they don't all right, 704 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: and they're gonna go away in a few days and 705 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: then it's gonna be okay, the big month or so 706 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: of nothing until football, because we're in that waiting for 707 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: football span, which is why stories like this trade that 708 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense keeps getting all kinds of attention. 709 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,760 Speaker 3: It was a week ago. 710 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,479 Speaker 1: That the story came out that the Dolphins were looking 711 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: to trade tight end John hu Smith to the Steelers. 712 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: And John who Smith's one of the best tight ends 713 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: in the NFL, one of those late bloomers, caught eighty 714 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: eight passes last year for the Dolphins, wants a new contract. 715 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: Potentially the Dolphins don't want to pay him, so they're 716 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: looking at maybe this is a trade to the Steelers. 717 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: And while we saw this come up, we're like, okay, 718 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: and we told you last week it. 719 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 3: Was stupid because it doesn't make sense for either. 720 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: It makes sense for the Dolphins if they're tanking because 721 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: they have nobody else to catch bad they have nor 722 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: the tight end that's ready to be a pass catching 723 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: tight end, and for the Steelers, it's what are you doing? 724 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: You don't have a quarterback yet, Wow, a lot. 725 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 6: Of guys to catch the ball from the quarterback. 726 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: You already have a starting tight end that you paid 727 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: a lot of money to in Pat fryer mouth, what 728 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: are you doing? 729 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 7: Like? 730 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 3: What? This doesn't make any sense? And then earlier. 731 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 1: Today Adam Schefter has the report, Hey, the trade is 732 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: not happening. 733 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 3: Okay, good, cooler heads prevailed because this is just stupid. 734 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: No, no, no, Then late today, hey, trade could be 735 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: back on sides are talking again and this trade could happens. 736 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: Now back to where we're a week ago, where this 737 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 1: is just stupid, because really, the Dolphins in the year 738 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: have gone from up and coming fast team. Mike McDaniel 739 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: is on the is on the cusp of rewriting NFL 740 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: books as far as in offensive systems, and now it's 741 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: we're tanking because that's the only reason this makes sense 742 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: for them, as if they're tanking because you can't take 743 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: this guy who is a great weapon that you can't 744 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: replace and just say, yeah, we're moving on from because 745 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: we don't want to pay him. WHOA This tells me 746 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: you are tanking. And for the Steelers, again, you don't 747 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: have a quarterback. You know, Aaron Rodgers doesn't throw to 748 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: one tight end, let alone two tight ends. 749 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 3: You're going to bring in the catch passes? Like what 750 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 3: what are you doing? What are the Steelers doing? Like 751 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 3: this makes no sense on so many levels. 752 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Dolphins side of it is to me, truly 753 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 4: the more and more fascinating for the Steelers, Like, all right, 754 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 4: you can acquire an asset that is, because of the 755 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 4: contract issue, a distressed property. You have a lot of 756 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 4: draft picks at your disposal for twenty twenty six if 757 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 4: that's what Miami's really looking to do, right, So here 758 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 4: problem solve because you don't have to do the cock 759 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 4: of Amy thing in the NBA of hey, let's make 760 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 4: the salaries matchup. Here's a couple of first round picks. 761 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 4: You feel good? Yeah, okay, good or third round or 762 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 4: whatever it is. I say first just because that's usually 763 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 4: the starting point and then we argue from there. But 764 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 4: say it's three draft picks over the course of the 765 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 4: twenty twenty six draft, and you play it out, promise 766 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 4: them some money, and move on. 767 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 3: Okay. 768 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 4: For the Steelers, it's another viable passing target for Rogers 769 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 4: or whoever else. Is there your point about Rogers and 770 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 4: you're utilizing the tight end. I mean, Tyler Conklin had 771 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 4: himself a nice year, he was fine. But for the 772 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 4: Dolphin side of it, it's just that much more fascinating 773 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 4: because they with the team on the cup. 774 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 5: Right. 775 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:50,760 Speaker 4: The Patriots were imploding in the post Belichick and Brady 776 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 4: era or the final years of the Belichick era, I 777 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 4: guess to say it right where things have gone sideway 778 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 4: as you're hiring former defensive co ordinators as o c's 779 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 4: and and trying to fit uh square pegs into the 780 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 4: round hole and everything so that falls apart. The Jets 781 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 4: have been Sorry, sorry, buddy. 782 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 3: The Jets good. 783 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 6: Great. 784 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 4: So you have an opportunity to really push forward, and 785 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,760 Speaker 4: you have Hill, you have Wattle, you keep to upright, 786 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 4: and McDaniel's the guy everybody's determining to be the next 787 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 4: you know, genius, along with McVeigh, shanahan and the others 788 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 4: that have risen up now Kevin O'Connell and instead now 789 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 4: he just looks like he's gonna go and get the 790 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 4: tattoos removed, like he's Pete Davidson to become a character actor, 791 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,439 Speaker 4: so like it's becoming a totally different different looks like, yeah, yeah, 792 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,879 Speaker 4: let's get rid of the guy that was an eighty 793 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 4: eight catch guy. Tyreek Hill may or may not be 794 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 4: here because all of a sudden they're cleaning up all 795 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 4: the the language around him and maybe where he becomes 796 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 4: a trade target. Jalen Waddle has been reduced to being 797 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 4: just a guy. All you got is Devin ah Chan. 798 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 4: Anybody want to come get him to the age of 799 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 4: the running back, go get him while you're at it. 800 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 3: Why not? Yeah? Why not? 801 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: Right, you'll get to in a year from now. Everything 802 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 1: they're all gonna be gone. Man again, it only makes sense. 803 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: Well it's hurtfault. None of it makes sense for the 804 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: for the Steelers, no matter what. But that's that's the thing. 805 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 1: For the Dolphins is like it's not like they have 806 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: a glut on the roster. It's not like they have 807 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: you know, hey, if we we we do this, they 808 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: just potentially don't want to pay the guy, right, Like 809 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: I mean, like this is how does this make you 810 00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: better for this year? 811 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 3: It doesn't. 812 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: It makes this year and you're not getting anything for 813 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: this year that's going to help you. It's gonna be 814 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: all we'll get a draft, but that's next April. We 815 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 1: had the draft. It happened. I watched it. It was great. 816 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 3: This makes you nothing but worse for this year. And 817 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 3: again the Dolphins. 818 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: Man, wow, hey, I'm not complaining because you know, it's 819 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: one one less team. I gotta worry about beating me, 820 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, as much as they have the last few years. 821 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 3: So I'm okay with it. But but it just still 822 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 3: just stuns me that this is what's going to. 823 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 6: The current odds that McDaniel's the first coach fired. 824 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 3: There you go, there's a hot take. Mike Harbett. We 825 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 3: get back to the biggest story of the day next 826 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 3: fo