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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Coleen Waitt, and today we have very

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Speaker 1: special guests.

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Speaker 2: Act all.

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Speaker 3: Johnny ray gill is in the building.

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Speaker 2: Up, SUPs up, everybody, How you doing?

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Speaker 1: Thanks, good, good good. I am very excited about today's dish.

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Speaker 1: I was telling my neighbor like, yo, she was like,

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Speaker 1: who are you interviewing?

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Speaker 3: I said, we're gonna do true. Well, I don't want

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Speaker 3: to say.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say what we're doing. Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: you tell us what you're gonna have me eating today.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to be doing whole fish. I know

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Speaker 2: that's not the most creative name, but that's what I

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Speaker 2: always call it, so whole fish baked. I learned how

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Speaker 2: to do this in Ghana. Ghana, Yeah, and Ghana in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, so you know, connecting, connecting back to the diasporas.

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Speaker 2: So that's why this dish is important to me. You

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Speaker 2: feel me? So, So yeah, we're gonna get.

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Speaker 4: Outside eating my problem.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And just for you guys listeners, I got the

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Speaker 1: email was whole trout or.

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Speaker 2: Whole whole whole seabring. You can do a whole anything

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Speaker 2: whatever you like. The reason I like this dish is

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Speaker 2: because it's it's easy. It's really about how you season

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Speaker 2: it and what you used to season it, and the

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Speaker 2: herbs that you used to season it, and then you

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Speaker 2: put it in the oven and wash your hands with

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Speaker 2: it and then eat it after south.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it's extremely affordable. So I did go to

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Speaker 1: Costco guys and it was one, two, three four how

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Speaker 1: many fishes out?

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Speaker 2: One two, three, four, five six, So a.

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Speaker 1: Whole family of six k eight for fifteen dollars. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I will say, not only is this dish unique

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Speaker 1: in the sense of you know, price and quantity, and

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Speaker 1: you know obviously nutrients is approaches. Yeah, but I will say, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: you are awarded the most seasonings in one episode. Oh shoot,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and name all the seasonings that you have

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Speaker 1: for these fish.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we got cumin, salt, and pepper. Of course I

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Speaker 2: use mince garlic, the watery cond you know, not the

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Speaker 2: dry con. You don't want your fish dried, so the

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Speaker 2: watery car so you can use the juice. On the inside.

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Speaker 2: You have ground cinnamon. That's just something I like to

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Speaker 2: use to give it a different kind of flavor on

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Speaker 2: the top at the end, you have chili powder, cayenne pepper.

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Speaker 2: Depending on how spicy you like your thing, you got

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Speaker 2: deal garlic powder. I advise using like avocado oil because

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Speaker 2: it has a high smoke point. You don't want your

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Speaker 2: j on burning while it's in the while it's in

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Speaker 2: the oven. You feel me, There's a lot of different

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Speaker 2: oils you can use, so Balbi's research and use what

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Speaker 2: you like. As far as herbs that we have here today,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna be using rosemary that's gonna go inside.

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Speaker 1: And you you they said fresh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fresh rosemary is good. I actually, you know, brought

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Speaker 2: some green onion from my garden that we're gonna use

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Speaker 2: as a garnish at the end. Yeah, yeah, you know

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Speaker 2: about that. Yeah, I do have a garden absolutely in

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Speaker 2: the middle of.

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Speaker 1: I would like if it was someone I had to

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Speaker 1: be trapped on earth with right now, I would be

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Speaker 1: fine being trapped with you because your food looks like

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Speaker 1: it's gonna taste great.

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Speaker 2: Hey, we're gonna be all side, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: We got lemon out here. But as far as the erb,

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Speaker 2: you can really do what you want. The thing about

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Speaker 2: this whole fish situation is really about tailoring it to

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Speaker 2: your specific tastes. That's not one. You can season it

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Speaker 2: however you like. If you want your joint, you want

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Speaker 2: to crayle fish ball, mean, put some crayo season in

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Speaker 2: all those things. If you want it to feel like

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Speaker 2: Puerto Rico, do that. If you want it to feel

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Speaker 2: like North Dakota, I guess put some potato salad on

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Speaker 2: it and bake that. I don't know. So so also

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Speaker 2: tur Maeric, I like, yeah, I think that's everything.

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Speaker 1: What's someone behind this is kyne pepper. And then you

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Speaker 1: have a hot sauce and lowries or even do you

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Speaker 1: use lories.

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Speaker 2: I don't use the Lowries on here because I want

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Speaker 2: the I want these specific, the specific seasons that you

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Speaker 2: can use individually, where Lowars is more like something that

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Speaker 2: yeah combined already. I use the hot sauce at the end.

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Speaker 2: You can use that if you want. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of different kinds of hot sauces.

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Speaker 1: Yes there was, by the way, there was a million

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Speaker 1: back that we didn't know which one.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, I just I get whatever it's on

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Speaker 2: sale to be completely framing. And you know this is

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Speaker 2: eating while broke, and so for me, I feel like

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Speaker 2: while you're broke. You should, especially in America, where the

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Speaker 2: healthcare system is the way it is, you should be

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Speaker 2: eating as well as possible. So I wasn't gonna come

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Speaker 2: in here with no Captain crunch or no no man,

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Speaker 2: ain't saandwich or none of that, because I ain't trying

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Speaker 2: to be I ain't trying to have diabetes, to be

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Speaker 2: completely frank, And like you said, this is what fifteen

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Speaker 2: dollars between fifteen and twenty for all these fish compared

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Speaker 2: to the filet that you might get. You're paying for

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Speaker 2: the labor of them to cut it up. And now

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Speaker 2: you're paying twenty twenty five dollars for just two fil

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Speaker 2: as of whatever you're getting when you can just make

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Speaker 2: this at home, and one fish is usually good for

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Speaker 2: one person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we out saying, okay, let's do this.

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Speaker 2: Let's do this, all right. So first thing we're gonna

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Speaker 2: do is I'm gonna cut this this woman. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: do you cook a lot? It depends on my schedule,

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Speaker 2: To be completely frank, I mean I have the thought

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Speaker 2: to cook a lot, and then I'll be like, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna order this Chipotle because it's you know right there.

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Speaker 2: But I think meal prepping is important, so you can

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Speaker 2: try to make sure. Yeah, yeah, but we need a

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Speaker 2: lot of limits.

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Speaker 1: I have meal prep on Sundays I like to do.

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Speaker 1: I have this new thing where I try to do

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Speaker 1: all my cooking for the week on one day. And

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Speaker 1: it helps for multitude of reasons. One I'm not cleaning dishes,

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Speaker 1: but two, when you're constantly on the go, to be

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Speaker 1: meals already prepped and know they're nutritious and taste great,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing. And it only takes one day, you know,

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Speaker 1: which is only like two hours, and then all the

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Speaker 1: dishes go in the dish washer, you're done and everything's reset.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Then you got to make sure you eat it

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Speaker 2: so it don't go bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for the most part. Now I've learned because of

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Speaker 1: economic circumstances, I don't cook more or buy more than

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Speaker 2: You know that's art.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Before I used to buy everything and just watch

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Speaker 1: it all go bad.

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Speaker 2: Get this sticker off your here.

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Speaker 1: So where does cross tape?

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Speaker 2: Cross tapes in Toronto the most in Toronto. But then

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Speaker 2: we do our exteriors and stuff in DC. And I

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Speaker 2: know this year they went to some other countries to

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Speaker 2: film some special stuff for season two. So we outside.

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Speaker 1: Okay, where do you live?

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Speaker 2: I live in Koreatown in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, Okay.

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Speaker 3: How do you like Toronto?

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Speaker 2: I love Toronto. It felt like living in a more

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Speaker 2: mature America. Yeah, you know, when you go to other

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Speaker 2: parts of the world, like it definitely feels like another planet,

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Speaker 2: Like when I was in Hong Kong. That's a completely

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Speaker 2: different culture, lifestyle, same thing in Ghana or South Africa

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Speaker 2: or whatever. But Toronto is still a Western civilization. It's

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Speaker 2: just they have infrastructure that we don't have here.

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Speaker 3: And you're like, like, what.

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Speaker 2: Like being able to take the bus in the train

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Speaker 2: and have public transit, healthcare, you know. Yeah, these these

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Speaker 2: things that they say will destroy our country are making

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Speaker 2: their country thrive very well.

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Speaker 1: So health cares for you there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, me, I'm packing.

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Speaker 3: So would you move there?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: So why are you still here? Because of because of

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Speaker 2: I think for a lot of reasons. You know, I

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Speaker 2: built something, my family's here. You know, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: move to another country. So yeah, but that's a work.

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Speaker 2: Visa I think that I think that joint expires after

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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, I'm gonna I'm gonna let y'all know what

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Speaker 1: he did.

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Speaker 3: He just cuts some lemons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the lemons. Yeah, we slice them to we slice them,

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Speaker 2: slice them up. So now we're about to get into

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Speaker 2: scoring these fish. Okay, so you want to put some

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Speaker 2: that's basically putting slits in the fish so that the

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Speaker 1: All right, cavity, guys. Yeah, so that the cavity I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the inside body cavity.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Oh, body cavity.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense. So he's cutting little slits.

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Speaker 2: And normally it's like little rib marks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, our knife may not be that sharp. He's discovering

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Speaker 1: what eating while broke knives are made of right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know we are got Yeah, so you

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Speaker 2: get it on both sides.

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Speaker 1: When was the last time you made this.

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Speaker 2: Maybe a few months ago. I got it into I

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Speaker 2: kind of got it in my blood and bones. Now.

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Speaker 3: So when we go to your house, you have that

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Speaker 3: many seasonings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why I'm so excited about how

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Speaker 1: many takes less. Okay, that looks great.

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Speaker 2: Number one, All right, not right, bring other little homie

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Speaker 1: So today he's gonna cook us three fish. That's for me,

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Speaker 1: one for him, and one for the afterpis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah we outside. Also, y'all when y'all cutting this, don't

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Speaker 2: be doing this while you're watching TV or something and

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Speaker 2: slice your hand off. Why because it's because it's slippery. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's slippery. So and I'm not you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: none of us are the people on the food network.

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Speaker 1: So and are you supposed to cut down to like

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Speaker 1: the little spinal bone?

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Speaker 2: If you don't want to cut too deep, you want

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Speaker 2: to cut too deep, you just want to make it,

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Speaker 2: make it an opening, so the oil has somewhere to

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Speaker 2: go inside, got it?

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Speaker 1: That knife is pretty bad?

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Speaker 2: Huh, it's all right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, are you excited about eating this?

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Speaker 2: Very much? So? I didn't eat today?

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Speaker 1: Okay, before you came, I had sardines in rice paper.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, that was prior.

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Speaker 3: So today's a fishy.

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Speaker 2: Fishy day, fish day.

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Speaker 3: Okay, guys watching watching him cook?

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Speaker 1: So take me back to what were you doing in Ghana.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is just like lotioning your knees, you know

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Speaker 2: Well, hopefully you know we're gonna see. I've never I've

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Speaker 2: Where do I want to start. I think I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: Know, I heard salt like helps bring out the flavor, right, Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mmma, were you end up learning how to make it?

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Speaker 2: No? No, my dad was supposed to take me when

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Speaker 2: But the thing I will always remember that my therapist said,

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Speaker 1: I never I never hear guys say like, I don't

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Speaker 2: That's what we're taught.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Like I said, I'm all about elevation,

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Speaker 2: So because all because everything we're doing is relationship based.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm about I'm just doing it all at once

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm learning, I'm learning.

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Speaker 1: It almost looks like he has a breading kind of formed.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's how it's supposed to, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the things I learned with this.

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Speaker 2: It seems it can seem like you're gonna overseason it,

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00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,360
Speaker 2: but every recipe I've ever tried, they're like, you need

442
00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 2: to season the out of this thing so that you

443
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,760
Speaker 2: can make sure you get the flavors and fused inside.

444
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Speaker 1: So so take me to acting. Was were you acting

445
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:06,800
Speaker 1: before you went to Ghana?

446
00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, Yeah. I've always been an artist. I started

447
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 2: my I started my Courage, a spoken word poet. Oh

448
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 2: so yeah, my first I was on stages when I

449
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 2: was fourteen fifteen years old. I remember seeing Saul Williams

450
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 2: in the movie Slam and I think it was ninety

451
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 2: eight at the time. It was at Sundance and they

452
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 2: did a special screening in Portland. I was in this

453
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: Riights of Passion's program and I was like, yo, I

454
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 2: want to be able to do that because in the

455
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 2: movie he's about to get jumped in this prison yard

456
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 2: and he breaks out into this poem and it's so

457
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 2: dope that everybody's brain is like, I don't know what

458
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 2: I just saw, and I was like, I want to

459
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 2: be able to do that. And so that's what took

460
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Speaker 2: me to college.

461
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: And in college, I got, what do you mean it

462
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,640
Speaker 1: took you to college like you were winning competition?

463
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was winning competitions and stuff. But the

464
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 2: artis is what took me to school. I knew I

465
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 2: wanted to be a storyteller. I knew I wanted to

466
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 2: be a writer and those things, but I didn't start

467
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 2: acting until I got to Temple. So when I got there,

468
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 2: I was performing and a teacher saw Temple Temple University

469
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia. That's why I went. That's where I got

470
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,880
Speaker 2: my graduate degree or my undergrad degree after I went

471
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 2: to USC for a year and they stole all my

472
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 2: scholarship money.

473
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 1: But anyway, who us did?

474
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, these schools they be running. Sometimes they'll

475
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 2: recruit students and say, hey, we can get you this

476
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 2: amount of scholarship money. Boom move if you get down here,

477
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,680
Speaker 2: and then when you get down there, they're no longer

478
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 2: of assistance. So a lot of my independent scholarship money

479
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 2: that I had when I was going to s see.

480
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: I used it that first semester and couldn't find any

481
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Speaker 2: more funding for the rest of my state, so I

482
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 2: had to transfer.

483
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Speaker 1: My Gosh, yeah, do you think that was a good decision.

484
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 2: It was a good decision because I didn't spend thousands

485
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars. But yeah, so I think it's

486
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: just it sucks.

487
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 1: Many people are Were you heartbroken over that or like

488
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 1: you felt like did it hurt?

489
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 2: I thought it sucked.

490
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you get but it's like not an education

491
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 1: because you get hustled.

492
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Speaker 2: Like and I think a lot of times we talk

493
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: about hustle, like, you know, there's TV shows about hustlers,

494
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 2: like from From Power to all these kind of stuff,

495
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 2: but there's no hustlers. There's no TV shows or documentaries

496
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: and things like this about the hustlers that are uber wealthy.

497
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,680
Speaker 2: The schemes that these universities can be running to get

498
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: people's money to raise tuition wats and things like that,

499
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 2: the schemes of oil companies. Those casts are the real

500
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 2: people like hustling for real, they're poisoning water, et cetera,

501
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: et cetera. So you know, that's just a part of

502
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: my journey. But I don't. I don't. I like to

503
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: tell the truth about it, you know what I'm.

504
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 3: Saying about it.

505
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Speaker 1: I don't think enough people talk about it. I don't

506
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Speaker 1: even think people value college degrees the way they once

507
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 1: were valued.

508
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a gift and the curse.

509
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 2: You know, well, you don't. University isn't the only way

510
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 2: you should be educated. But I also think that that

511
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: is a form of it's a form of trying to

512
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: make trying to devalue intellectualism, this idea that you can

513
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: you can that there's no expertise on things. If I

514
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: need help about astrophysicists, I'm gonna talk to Neil Degrassey Tyson,

515
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: you feel me. If I need help with basketball, i'm'na

516
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: ask Lebron James. I'm not gonna ask the dude doing

517
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: the podcast about basketball, you know what I mean. So, yes,

518
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: I think learning is valuable and it shouldn't cost as much.

519
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 2: I mean, one thing most people don't know it was

520
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,479
Speaker 2: when Reagan was when Reagan was governor of California. You

521
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: can actually go back and listen to government tastes where

522
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: they're saying we need to the cause public school used

523
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: to be free and most people don't know this, and

524
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 2: they made it cost so much because too many black

525
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 2: and brown people and too many women were getting educated.

526
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 2: And you can actually go listen to the taste where

527
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: they're saying, we can't have this, we can't have an

528
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 2: educated electorate, we can't do this. So that's when they

529
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: started making everything for profit. And so you know, when

530
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: you when you when you get into these kinds of

531
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 2: conversations and you find out what's going on, you realize how,

532
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: like I said, insipidest things can be. Wow, we outside,

533
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: all right.

534
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: Say oh oh season other side?

535
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, we outside, this is my my my

536
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: hasn't got me saying that a pandemic.

537
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you've been saying that a lot.

538
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's okay. We all have our tics.

539
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: So what happened at Temple where you ended up wanting

540
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: to get into acting?

541
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: Professor saw me performing some poetry and asked me to

542
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: She said it she thought I should audition Furst August

543
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: Wilson play called Jitney, and that's how it started. It

544
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 2: was a hobby at first. Then you realize you're pretty

545
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: good at it. You know. I was in film school

546
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: also at the time, and so When it came to

547
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: grad school, I decided to apply to grad programs and

548
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: drama programs, and I was like, whoever gives me the

549
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: most money, that's where I'm going. And I got into

550
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: all the top drama programs and decided to go to

551
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: the UCSD at the Lloyd Playhouse because at the time,

552
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: Yale UCSD and then YU did a showcase together, and

553
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 2: so for me, I was like, it don't matter which

554
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: one I go to. As long as I get into

555
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: the showcase, I'm I'm gonna be shining. Yeah, so that's

556
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:51,959
Speaker 2: what happened.

557
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Speaker 1: Nice. All right, I'm gonna let you say the seasonings

558
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 1: back to back on what you're doing. You started with tumoric.

559
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 1: Now you're moving over to pepper.

560
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I'm moving to pepper up some tomb tumbe

561
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 2: on here, trying to pepper this thing already put the

562
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: salt on this side. But like I said, for me,

563
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: it's just tough having to flip it each time with

564
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 2: the season. So you do it back to back, and this,

565
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 2: as you can see, this dish is mostly about the

566
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 2: preparation of it.

567
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, because once once you're done, you're gonna just because.

568
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 2: Once you're done it's gonna stick it in there.

569
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: And what's the next season? You got it?

570
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: This is chili powder.

571
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: Yep, you're gonna take over the cooking. You're gonna do

572
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: your cooking thing announcing then.

573
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, boom, this is chili powder. Now I'm going

574
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: to this garlic powder.

575
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: And guys, just so you know, he's like putting a

576
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: lot of seasoning. It's not like he's just doing a

577
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: dash or two.

578
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you really got a season this thing. I'm going

579
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: to the cuman now, folks, I really do love cumin.

580
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: Can I try like a dash of it? I just

581
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: want to see what it tastes like?

582
00:25:54,880 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 2: Plan Okay, it's like a humans actually one of my

583
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: favorite situations. How are you feeling about that? Now? I'm

584
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: going with something.

585
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe on the on the food. Have you tried it?

586
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: Plain?

587
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I've ever just put seasons in

588
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: my mouth. No, I don't try it. No, No, I

589
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever just took pepperon.

590
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, how I just tried it.

591
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 3: Trust me, if you tried it that way, you were not. Okay,

592
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 3: what was the next one?

593
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: By the way, I love deal, guys. I used del

594
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: on anytime I'm cooking any type of fish.

595
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: Okay, now we got the cayenne. I'll do a little

596
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 2: bit of that for some some KICKI kick.

597
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: I'm so excited about this meal.

598
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: Boom boom boom, And I think that's everything. And so

599
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: now I'm gonna ask some cinnamon.

600
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: Cinnamon is what through me?

601
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? I like to experiment.

602
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: Put a lot of cinnamon.

603
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: And the best part is you do one side of

604
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: the centiment so that if you want to flop between

605
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: the tastes, you have it on both sides. You don't

606
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: have it on both sides. All right. Now that we've

607
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: done that, Now this is the part people forget. See

608
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: how inside is all naked. You gotta season the inside.

609
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: As well, with all the seasonings.

610
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: As many as you like. So I'm gonna put some

611
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: turmeric up in here, and then you put your fresh

612
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: herb and stuff inside of here.

613
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: I just want to I don't want to get ahead,

614
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: but I'm curious.

615
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 3: What are the lemons come in you're about to see?

616
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so you're doing turmeric on the inside. You

617
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: don't want them to looking plain and dry. Well, nothing's

618
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 1: dry on this fish. You can see the fish actually.

619
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: Absorb some of the oil though already.

620
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I guess now it makes sense why you.

621
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: Bathed it in oil. All I know is.

622
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: If this tastes great, you're anyone that's coming to my

623
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: house for the next week.

624
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: I want the.

625
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: Whole brinzino, only buy the falaise. But I feel like

626
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: if you teach me this.

627
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: It's a rapt whole fish.

628
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: Oh cuman. Wait what was the other one? You put turmeric?

629
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: And oh that's the one cuman is the one I tried?

630
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: Right? Oh?

631
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: Man, is that oven still preheating?

632
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, look like it turned off. Can we can

633
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: we get that joint back home?

634
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: See if Katie a love what she said? She said,

635
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: don't get up.

636
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: Salts.

637
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm sure my my my father's here today.

638
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he's waiting for this fish.

639
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: Ain't even the studio, I'll say that, which maybe he's not.

640
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: Is he here?

641
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: I don't know he was.

642
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: Hit the preheat button. I don't hear a cough, so

643
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: maybe he left.

644
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: Usually, Yeah, okay, you got what I want to put

645
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: up in there. I'm gonna go without the pepper because

646
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: I can't you know. Oh yeah, this is this I

647
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: love deal. I'm glad we got you don't like the queuing,

648
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: but you like the deal.

649
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: I think it just adds so much extra to it.

650
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: That deals actually.

651
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: From my house, by the way.

652
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: Okay, well it's got some special love on it, you know. Okay,

653
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: So now that we've done this, we've seasoned it on

654
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: the inside. Now I come with the garlic, with the

655
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: with the with the garlic, the mince garlic, and I

656
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: take this and I put it on the inside.

657
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: Oh, you put a lot.

658
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: He ain't playing.

659
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: Inside the cavit. Boom boom boom.

660
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: I feel like you could cook.

661
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you can do anything you put

662
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: your mind too.

663
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: I think you put it inside the fish.

664
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you might because it's meat up in there

665
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: also too. You know that you know a lot of garlic. Yeah,

666
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm a garlic, big garlic fan.

667
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: And I noticed on this dish you don't have no onions.

668
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can put onions. You can do tomatoes,

669
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: you can do like I think. The cool thing about

670
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 2: this dishes you can customize it any way you want.

671
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: It's like, how do you want your fish to taste?

672
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

673
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: And so what if I wanted to put like butter

674
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: on the inside, put some butter up in their I

675
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: feel like butter makes everything taste.

676
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: Put some butter up in the air. Buttery mug. You know.

677
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: Do you ever go on YouTube and just pull up absolutely?

678
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the best things you can do.

679
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: So if you're talking about eating while broke, I go

680
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: into the store and whatever's on sale. For example, if

681
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: beats are on sale and you can get five beats,

682
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: all you gotta do is pull up a recipe and

683
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: how do you cook beats? And you can have Beat

684
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: steaks that night, and also you're having something incredibly healthy

685
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: that's good for you. You can eat the beat tops,

686
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: you can eat carrot tops.

687
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: You can you actually shop like that, though, do you really.

688
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 2: Actually when you realize that they I don't mean to

689
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 2: keep taking things to this to this place. Yeah, when

690
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: you realize that the grocery stores have a monopoly and

691
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: they can arbitrarily raise the price on things, you have

692
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: to do things to protect yourself. And I feel like,

693
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: especially if we're talking about being broke and no diss

694
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: but the vast majority of we've been having these conversations

695
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: about snap benefits and things like that. Right, in the

696
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: last several weeks, most people, the vast majority of people

697
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: are much are a paycheck away from being on the street. Yeah, right,

698
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 2: And we speak about these things if that's not the case.

699
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: And just because you're an actor, entertainer or whatever, we're

700
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,719
Speaker 2: just as susceptible people think we make a lot more

701
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: money than we're making. And you saw during the strikes

702
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: that took place several years ago, a lot of people

703
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: were about to lose their homes, et cetera. So you

704
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: got to kind of keep these things. You got to

705
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: keep these things in mind. And so for me, especially

706
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: with so many of our heroes and heroes passing away

707
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: before they should pass from pancriotic cancer and all these

708
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: diseases that are in my opinion, preventable to some to

709
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: some degree, we gotta stop eating the processed foods. We

710
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: gotta start trying to you know. And also it's more fun,

711
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: like you can have you know, you can have ramen

712
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 2: one night and then the next night you having beats

713
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 2: with carrot tops or you know whatever. So recipes are

714
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 2: always great. And being able to like not be too

715
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: prideful to not learn some stuff. Yeah, like I'm a

716
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: big I love to learn.

717
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: So I like the way you think about shopping, though

718
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: it's different. I never thought of just like saying, hey,

719
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 1: oh this is on sale, let me see what dishes

720
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: I can make with this. You love that garlic, He's

721
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: gonna go through the whole thing of garlic for sure.

722
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: And then yeah, you got this whole small little garlic

723
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: up in here.

724
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: So does garlic not like I don't know if I

725
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: eat a lot of gar if some people want they

726
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: eat a lot of garlic, just they just smell like garlic.

727
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: Nah, it's not gonna smell like garlic. It's gonna be it.

728
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

729
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: You like if you if you eat a lot, it'll

730
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: like pour through your skin. You know you can smell it.

731
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: I don't have that, you know. I mean you're talking

732
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: like it's a sparagus or something. You know when you

733
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: get a spiritush or peace think, but you know it

734
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: is what it is. But yeah, all right, so here

735
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: we go. So now with these with the lemons, the

736
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: lemons go inside.

737
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I mean this looks like something you take

738
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: a picture of on Instagram.

739
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: I mean I'm not gonna mind. Have I half you know,

740
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 2: a little food trap.

741
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: You know, you got you know, do girls ever slide

742
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: into your d ms over your dishes?

743
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? Really, yeah, you know, but you know, I think

744
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: women are can be a little bit more how do

745
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: you say slick? Slick? Yeah, with my god delious, I

746
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 2: would love to taste that sometimes, you know, And you're like, well,

747
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: you know, we could be onside.

748
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: If I walk away from this interview saying we could

749
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: be outside, I'm.

750
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: Gonna be so hey, you can thank my cousin for that.

751
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: Okay, So take me back. So you pass the showcases.

752
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: I take it you murder them.

753
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: I murdered I did. I did to sketch this Alec

754
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: Baldwins sketch from the CD about Alec. This character he's

755
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: a he's a boss. It's a boss at a at

756
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: a at a company and he goes down into the

757
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 2: mail room and he takes a test and he realizes

758
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: that he's legally retarded, like legally So it was super funny, uh,

759
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: And so I did that. The contrast a scene from

760
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: the Last Days of Judas is Carriot where Judas is

761
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: on trial for it's a Stephen Atley Georgis play and

762
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 2: it's a Judas is on trial for the murder of Jesus.

763
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: It's a very brilliant play and there's just really gray

764
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: scene between Judas and the devil at a bar uh.

765
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, I played I played Judas, and you nailed

766
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 2: it absolutely. That's why I'm here talking about.

767
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: So then what happened after that?

768
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: After that you start auditioning.

769
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: And start auditioning for for roles TV shows.

770
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: But I don't understand why does it happen after that?

771
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: Well, because you need a you need an agent, a manager,

772
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: those kinds of things. And so the show okay, also too,

773
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: I put I put limon underneath. Okay, so the the

774
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: under so the bottom gets the lemon flavor as well, y'all.

775
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: Honestly, we could upload this whole video to YouTube.

776
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: Be funny if I uploaded.

777
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: It and it started like getting kazilion views and then

778
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm just making money off your.

779
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't say it's mine, it's you know, it's

780
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: the peoples.

781
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: You feel me, the peoples, It's the people. It looks

782
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: so good though.

783
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm glad we're outside. Did I cut enough of this lemon?

784
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: I hope? So?

785
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: Well you have more?

786
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: Yeah I do. It's just where stuff like that where

787
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I'm not a profession because I don't

788
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: know how they be cutting with with with you know,

789
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: not dry hands in the whole nine. So okay, we

790
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: got that, and then now we get this rose marry

791
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 2: off your here.

792
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: I forgot about the rosemary.

793
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you thought it was just over here chilling. Now

794
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: you take this put it inside as well. This is this.

795
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: This is gonna be amazing.

796
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: I just know it.

797
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 4: It.

798
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: You ever to see a dish on TV and then

799
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: you're like you kind of not start salvating, but you kind.

800
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: Of like see fellas you see sometimes you gotta be

801
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: out here and cook a little something. But she's gonna

802
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: be on the couch, Like, wait a minute, let me

803
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: tell you something.

804
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: A quick way to my heart is cooking easy.

805
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: Hey, y'all, cooking easy.

806
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: Look y'all, I didn't be here twenty minutes already getting

807
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: to the heart.

808
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: We all said, I'm telling you right now, he been

809
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: here at least forty minutes cooking this dish. By the

810
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: way he taking I think it's taking him, Johnny, I

811
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: think it's taking you at least twenty minutes, twenty five

812
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: minutes just to do the prep on this.

813
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. But like I said, for me, it's it's the

814
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: fun part. You you know what I'm saying. You got

815
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: your TV show on, You're having good conversation.

816
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 3: You know what I'm telling you right now? You do

817
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 3: this with a chick, she's slam dunk. This is a

818
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 3: slam dunk.

819
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: You do the prep in front of her with out

820
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: of doubt. I think there you got it.

821
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: You get somewhere now were about to eat?

822
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: How long we're gonna have this in there?

823
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 2: For? About twenty minutes?

824
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: That's it?

825
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if you have it on four to fifty cooks.

826
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 2: You quick?

827
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: Okay? Do you have to flip it?

828
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: Nah?

829
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead.

830
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: Oh I know what you're about to do. What's that

831
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: You're gonna cut in half and squeeze it all over

832
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: the fish?

833
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: No? Oh but that was nice though. That was that

834
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: was nice.

835
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: You're gonna do more slices, yeah, just on top?

836
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: Okay?

837
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 2: All right?

838
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: So you get an agent and manager off of the showcases.

839
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it agent and my third audition audition

840
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: for a show called Harry's Law with Kathy Bates. I

841
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: booked it and I had to move to LA I

842
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: was about to go on tour from where I was

843
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: No the showcases? Was it? You have two showcases, one

844
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: in LA, one in New York, And so I was

845
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: in I was in San Diego at the Lohoe Playoffs.

846
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 2: That's where I got my master's in theater. And so yeah,

847
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: I had to get up to LA and then that's

848
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 2: when the nomadic journey of being an artist, you know,

849
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: or at least being an actors started.

850
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: What was your family, Dina? Looking like you seem like

851
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: very like your foundation is so solid?

852
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you? I mean you mean like you mean

853
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: like what I hope to accomplish, or you mean like

854
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: my family growing.

855
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 1: Up, your family growing up?

856
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: You know, that's where I give a big shout to

857
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: my mom. My mom did everything she could to make

858
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 2: sure that we were in programs and things like that

859
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: that elevated our minds and you know, put us on

860
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: the right path. You feel me. She went through a lot,

861
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: you know, growing up in the Bay, and I think

862
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 2: she wanted us to have, you know, the most opportunity possible.

863
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 2: So I put that, you know, on her, and some

864
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 2: of those programs that I was in were very impactful,

865
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: you know, for my life and my development.

866
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 3: So you know, we all say it parent household.

867
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: Or no, no, no. My dad was there, but you know

868
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: my dad, I think it was more so focused on

869
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: being the authoritarian and all that, and so you know,

870
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: my mom was focused on the more nuanced you know,

871
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: like education and and and making sure you're there to

872
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 2: support you know, people's endeavors and things like that. And

873
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: I think a lot of times, you know, especially in

874
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: older generations, people focus too much on discipline as opposed

875
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: to trying to figure out what their kids like and

876
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: how to rear them up, you know, the right way.

877
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: So I like that, do you have kids?

878
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,240
Speaker 2: Nah? No kids from me? I got plants though.

879
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: He didn't even say a pet, He said a plant.

880
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: I guess with your work schedule, so you get the

881
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: agent and the manager. How are you supporting yourself financially?

882
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: Shoot, just I've been very lucky to have an apartment

883
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: that don't cost a lot. I keep my cost of

884
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: living low. I got the toilet Prius two thousand and

885
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: one outside and never had a new car so that

886
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: I can gathery van do what I want to do.

887
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: So you're very structured with Yeah, so you want to

888
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: make sure like I'd rather go to France, or go

889
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: to Ghana or go to South Africa. Then I don't know,

890
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: keep up with the Joneses. And so again that's thankful

891
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: to my mom. Thankfu to rights a passage and things

892
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: like that to you know, put your mind on the

893
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: right track.

894
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: All rights of passage.

895
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: It was a process that I went through an African

896
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: base to rights a passage program. It was the largest

897
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: rights of pastor program west of the Mississippi when I

898
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: was growing up. And it's a process of going from

899
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: boyhood to manhood. There were seven barameters of manhood. The

900
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 2: best way I can get you know, civilians to understand

901
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: is like when people cross and become omegas and alphas

902
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: and all that stuff that divine nine. They go through

903
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: a process and they come out to burning sands and

904
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: there in omega and alpha, and that process is based

905
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: off of rights of passage, which is an indigenous and

906
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 2: you know African ritual of going from boyhood or girlhood

907
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: to womanhood or manhood. Most people know in like movies

908
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: like I Killed the Lion, Now my man? Yeah, Well,

909
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: this was a modern day version of that.

910
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: What do you have to do in there?

911
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: One second?

912
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: So this is this is this is it?

913
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: This? Is it all right? So now can I put

914
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 2: it in this oven?

915
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: Yes?

916
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: Okay, good?

917
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: After you get your manager and agent. Yeah, what is

918
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: your first role?

919
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: My first role is I play a character named Damian

920
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: Winslow on Harry's Law show. Yeah, Harry's Law with Kathy Bates.

921
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 2: It was on NBC. It was a fun show. Amana

922
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: is in it, Brittany Snow So, yeah, that's the first time,

923
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 2: you know, people saw me on TV.

924
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: And how are you supporting yourself leading up to that?

925
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: Money from leftover scholarship loans and and yeah, I mean

926
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: we got paid from the show. I think it was

927
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: what five six thousand episodes something like that, So just

928
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: being judicious with.

929
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't get any day jobs or anything during this.

930
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I've never had I've never really

931
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: had a day job. I never had where I was

932
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: a waiter or anything like that. When I was in school,

933
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 2: it was about school. I didn't want to It's funny.

934
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 2: You can even ask my mom this too. She would

935
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: be trying to get me to get a job or

936
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: something like that, and I would say, if I gave

937
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: you fifty five dollars to stand on the corner for

938
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: eight hours, would you do it? No, exactly, So why

939
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: are you working at Ralph's for the same amount of money? Yeah,

940
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: you're there for eight to ten hours after taxes, they're

941
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: gonna yeah.

942
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 3: At a grocery store.

943
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: Once the check came back.

944
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: I was like, what, Yeah, no way. And that's not

945
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,479
Speaker 2: to say that those jobs that those jobs aren't valuable. Yeah,

946
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: they're incredibly valuable, as we saw during the pandemic. It's

947
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: just about what is your specific path, what is it

948
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: that you want to do. And I want to be

949
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: a writer and filmmaker and an actor. So when I

950
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: was in school, I only had one study study, like

951
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: what is it called work study program that I did

952
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: and I was just at a hospital and I like

953
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: that because I got to sort chemicals in medicine and

954
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: that was me learning. But other than that, I haven't

955
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: had really too many side jobs. I could keep it on,

956
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: keep my time for the work I've taught at university

957
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: a few times. You know, that helps supplement, but stuff

958
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: comes up and I think if your if your mindset

959
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: is right, and like I said, you're not trying to

960
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 2: keep up with the joneses, and you keep your cost

961
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: of living down, it helps out a lot more so.

962
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: You spend majority of your time focused on your purpose.

963
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: That's what I was trying to do.

964
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and your mom has she moved to from saying hey,

965
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: try a different stream of income.

966
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, she don't say that. Yeah. Yeah. And also too,

967
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: to her credit, she was the one that was coming

968
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: to my place. You know, I'm from Portland, so you know,

969
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 2: a lot of time, all of us are spending our

970
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: time trying to get to LA or New York. So

971
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: when I meet people from around the world, I'll be like, look, man,

972
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: we was all trying to get to the same place.

973
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: So most people don't got the money to be traveling

974
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: from Portland to New York or Portland you know, to LA,

975
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: especially back then. So she was the first person, you know,

976
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 2: that believed when I was in high school, people wanted

977
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: me to be you know, an antient physiologist, a doctor,

978
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: lawyer because they knew I was, you know, intellectually inclined.

979
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: Thank you. You know that's just because I read books,

980
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: so you know, but that wasn't what I wanted to do.

981
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: And I think as as I'm grateful for her as

982
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: a parent to be like, Okay, this is what he

983
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 2: wants to do. I'm going to support it and then

984
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: you find out that I'm good at it all? Right?

985
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: Oh we outside?

986
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, I see you know how they have a

987
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: curse star.

988
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: Oh really, you're.

989
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 3: Going to have a to have a we outside, You're going.

990
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: To bede for you?

991
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So your mom played a critical, well pivotal

992
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: role in your where you are today.

993
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

994
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: What was some of the hiccups on the way to

995
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: before Cross because Cross ended up being huge?

996
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the strikes. I mean I remember I

997
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: actually was taking screenshots of my bank account and during

998
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: the strikes. Post the pandemic, I mean, the pandemic is

999
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 2: a hiccup. I mean I had like eight hundred dollars

1000
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: in my big account.

1001
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 3: The pandemic was rough.

1002
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was rough for a lot of people. And

1003
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: it's funny people try to start editing that out of

1004
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 2: their experience. You know, I don't hear a lot of

1005
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 2: people talking about the pandemic anymore. I know it was

1006
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: very traumatic for a lot of people, but it just

1007
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: shows how close all of us are to being the

1008
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 2: unhoused person that we walked past on the street. Here

1009
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. I think there's like seventy five that

1010
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: homeless people. It's a lot on how Yeah, and the

1011
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: the perception is that that's somebody that didn't do well

1012
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: with their finances or they do well. A lot of

1013
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: it and a lot of it is healthcare. A lot

1014
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: of it is the schemes that landlords can run, people

1015
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: not being able to afford housing. Like I said, you're

1016
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: you're you're one check from from having that situation happen

1017
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: to you. So so yeah, and I think the hardships

1018
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: are just it's it's really tough to be an artist.

1019
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: It's really tough to be an artist, especially, you know,

1020
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: an artist that wants to do substantive work. Like I said,

1021
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: we don't get paid nearly as much as people think

1022
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: we get paid.

1023
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1024
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: And also to your you're battling that perception because you know,

1025
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: most people are showing the red carpets and stuff they're

1026
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: not going to show when they lose their health insurance,

1027
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 2: which happened to me, you know, several years ago. Because

1028
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: with SAG after, for example, you have to make a

1029
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: certain amount of money just to keep it, to keep

1030
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: your health insurance. And so the way some things you know, work,

1031
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: you might make one hundred thousand one year. Right, with

1032
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: that one hundred thousand dollars, it might have to last

1033
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: you for four years, right, four years, because it might

1034
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: not work, you know what I'm saying. Or you might

1035
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: that one hundred thousand is for that year, but then

1036
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: if the next year you make twenty two thousand dollars

1037
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: a year, Now you don't have health insurance, you know

1038
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

1039
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: But would you qualify for medical?

1040
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 2: Yeah? Medical and those kind of things. But like I'm

1041
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: just scar Yeah, but then that gets hairy because then

1042
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: it might take into account your total finances. So it's

1043
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: really it's really an interesting conundrum. I forget the brother's name,

1044
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 2: but I just I just saw his brother on Instagram.

1045
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: It's done a bunch of movies. Was just talking about

1046
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: that he lost he got dropped from his agency and

1047
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: lost his health care with two kids and things like that,

1048
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: and so a lot of times people aren't thinking about

1049
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: those things because it's not swaggy to think about that stuff. Yeah,

1050
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so those are the

1051
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: hardships that come, you know, along the way, where you're like,

1052
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: all right, how am I gonna have? I gotta eat

1053
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: healthy because I can't have nothing happen, you know what

1054
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: I mean?

1055
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: Well, I wonder if that actors, actresses or artists talk

1056
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: about it behind the scenes, Like is there like a

1057
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: community where you guys are like.

1058
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 3: Man this month, Man I haven't booked something in a while.

1059
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: Or yeah, we talk about it. But like I said,

1060
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: I don't think. I think amongst all of us, you know,

1061
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: just as society in general are, we do not talk

1062
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: about finances.

1063
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 3: Now.

1064
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: It's about have a goal chain on, be swagging, be

1065
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: doing this, be doing that, and heck, the vast majority

1066
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: of people are barely hanging on, you know. So for me,

1067
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: navigating those hardships is about keeping it real with yourself,

1068
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 2: making sure that you have you know, a solid foundation financially,

1069
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: making sure you ain't buying shit you don't need to

1070
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 2: be buying. And so that's how I've been able to

1071
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 2: survive up up until cross because, like I said, after

1072
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: the strikes and which came right after the pandemics, me

1073
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 2: and a lot of people are like, I don't know

1074
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: what's about to happen. I don't know how I'm about

1075
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: to survive. Also, too, you need community because sometimes you

1076
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: need to borrow money from somebody sometimes and that's where

1077
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 2: parents and friends and all that stuff come comes comes

1078
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: into play. And so I think the people that have

1079
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: helped me, you know, I'm very gracious for them that

1080
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: have helped me, you know along the way the I

1081
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: word this.

1082
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: The way you if you get a check, do you

1083
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: I know you travel? Is there like a minimum you

1084
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: have to meet within yourself to say, okay, you know

1085
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: what this year I'm going on a travel trip or

1086
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: is there a minimum spend or budget? How do you

1087
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: do that? How do you incorporate that which is great

1088
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 1: into a continual thing that's a part of your.

1089
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it depends on what's happening from

1090
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: year to year. Some years you'd be like, I can't

1091
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 2: go nowhere. I can't go nowhere I go, I gotta

1092
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: sit inside. I did that just semessit you. But then

1093
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: when you do travel, it's about how do you travel?

1094
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: Like sometimes you can travel with a friend and a

1095
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars trip is now four thousand dollars because

1096
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: you guys are splitting things, you know what I mean?

1097
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: Or five thousand dollars I should say, are you you

1098
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: don't have to fly first class?

1099
00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1100
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: For sure you can. You can get there just as

1101
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: fast and just as nice in an economy plus you know.

1102
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying don't enjoy yourself, but you just

1103
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: have to be cognizant of what's going on. I mean,

1104
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: in La going out to dinner, you can spend two

1105
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: hundred fifty dollar two hundred fifty dollars easy. If you

1106
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: eat out, it's tough.

1107
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: But it was talking about that. I don't know if

1108
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: you read an artist.

1109
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:22,959
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1110
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: I didn't lay The CEO was saying, like, sales are down,

1111
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: but sales are down across because people are just not

1112
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 1: eating out anymore.

1113
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that I think that's smart. Yeah, yeah,

1114
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: I think you should. You have to. I think at

1115
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: least for me, operating on a twenty year plan or

1116
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: a twenty five year plan, I think it is foolishness.

1117
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: There is no I have no idea what's going to

1118
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,879
Speaker 2: be happening twenty years from now. And so that's why

1119
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 2: I have an apartment, not a house.

1120
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: But that's I was going to say, But a house

1121
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: is smart.

1122
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 2: Because sure, and again that depends. I think you have

1123
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: to have those kind of conversations because again, ask those

1124
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: people that couldn't pay their markets during the pandemic, and

1125
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 2: when you're in a financial meeting about what the twenty

1126
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: year cost of something is going to be, you don't

1127
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: factor in those real life situations where you could be

1128
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: laid off from your job. Ups Well laid off twenty

1129
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: thousand people after they got their got their deal done.

1130
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: You're looking at the layoffs that are happening across the

1131
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 2: board from in multiple sectors. So for me, I for

1132
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: me personally, I and again I don't have kids that

1133
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: don't have any of those kinds of things. For me,

1134
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: it just it was more valuable to be like, I

1135
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: want to be able to just pick up and leave

1136
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: if I need to. I know I can pay this

1137
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars in rent and cool. Yeah you know.

1138
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: But I will say though, I think spending sometimes gets

1139
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: tricky and there has to come a point where you

1140
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: say why, Like if you're buying a house, I think

1141
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: the traditional thing is that you're buying a house that

1142
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: you can afford. You know, like a lot of people

1143
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: the go to a bank the bangal say oh, you're employed.

1144
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: When you're employed, typically you qualify for more home versus entrepreneurship.

1145
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: But the foolest thing you do is you're employed. It's

1146
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: definitely like not a twenty year or twenty five year plan.

1147
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: So if you're buying a million dollar home, you're up

1148
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: right now when you're down. Yes, But if you can

1149
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 1: find a home that you can afford, like if it's

1150
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: comfortable to what you're paying in rent that you're comfortable at,

1151
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: then yes, because then you get equity. Yes, then you're

1152
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: making money while you sleep.

1153
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: It's a nuanced conversation until they come in and want

1154
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: to build a freeway through your neighborhood, you know what

1155
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 2: I mean. So like I just I just always feel

1156
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: like for me, it's smart for me. It's smart to

1157
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: plan for all the things that can happen to a

1158
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 2: black and brown person in this country. And a lot

1159
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: of times we speak as if they won't take something

1160
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 2: of yours through imminent domain or like I said, the pandemic.

1161
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: If you went back to twenty to twenty eighteen and

1162
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: said there's going to be a worldwide pandemic that shuts

1163
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: everything down, people would have said that for two years.

1164
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 2: That would have been crazy. And so imagine the people

1165
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: that did have a job at that particular times. And

1166
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: we're projecting out ten years and then all of a

1167
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: sudden it didn't go that way. So that's I'm just saying,

1168
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: don't think about your life in a vacuum. You have

1169
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: to think about it in a way that infuses politics

1170
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: and racism and sexism and all the things.

1171
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: I am taking back though a little bit, because on

1172
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: one hand, you're you embody like a lot of faith, right,

1173
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: But then there's this other side that seems like it's

1174
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: semi embodies, like almost embracement of fear of the unknown.

1175
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: It's not fear the unknown, it's what it is.

1176
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: It is what controlled a little bit.

1177
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: That's what's known. It's just knowing history, you feel me. So.

1178
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: So people were surprised by the pandemic because they didn't

1179
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: know about the other pandemics that happened in history. People

1180
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 2: are surprised about yeah, I mean there was we could

1181
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: talk about ebolin in West Africa, et cetera. People are

1182
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: surprised about strikes because they don't know about the strike

1183
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 2: history of the United States. People are surprised about police

1184
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 2: violence because they don't know the history of police violence

1185
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: in the United States. I can go on and on

1186
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: and on.

1187
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: So that your structure comes from knowing your history, knowing

1188
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: the history, so it's not fair base. It's more like,

1189
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: based on history, I can predict that.

1190
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 2: This might happen to me. So maybe maybe this money

1191
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: that I'm getting right now, I need to make sure

1192
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 2: it can last me ten years as opposed to just

1193
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: three or four, and just me and the would have

1194
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: the financial freedom to do whatever I want. And that's

1195
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 2: not for me to say that you shouldn't get a

1196
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: house or something, since we're talking about homes. It's just

1197
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 2: that for me, I don't want to be tied to

1198
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: having to pay this. So now if I get so now,

1199
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: if I get you know that commercial that I did

1200
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: that I thought was gonna give me all this money,

1201
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: Now I have to go work, as opposed to now

1202
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: I can sit back and I can take my time

1203
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: and I don't have to go I don't know work

1204
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: at Chipotle.

1205
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: A definite firm believer in like keeping your overhead as

1206
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: low as possible. When I say I keep that overhead low,

1207
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: and I think that that is the true. If you

1208
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: work for yourself, you have to yea otherwise you will

1209
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: end up filling out some resumes.

1210
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: Somewhere yes, yes, yes, yes.

1211
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: Okay, How how we got five more minutes.

1212
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,240
Speaker 2: That's five more minutes. I'm hoping that this this fish

1213
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: is this oven is high enough. But I mean, we're

1214
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: gonna see. I had the same thing happen when I

1215
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: cooked this for Thanksgiving with my with my mom. Like

1216
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 2: my oven because it's a gas oven gets much hotter

1217
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 2: than her ovens would get. And so I had to

1218
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 2: be like, okay, now we need to do this. Okay,

1219
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: now we need to do this. Okay they did. They did.

1220
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: It was I was a superstar because at first when

1221
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 2: everybody came in, they did the same thing most people do,

1222
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:30,959
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I got the eyes on the tail.

1223
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 2: What are we supposed to do? How are we supposed

1224
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: to eat it? And then next thing, you know, people

1225
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: tried it and was like, oh my god, this is

1226
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: really good. I didn't think he was going to be

1227
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 2: doing this bomb. So hopefully that's what happens.

1228
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: Do they ask you to bring the fish every year?

1229
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: I mean that that's a that's a tall task. I did.

1230
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 2: I think that's a one year situation. They asked, Oh yeah,

1231
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: they've asked about it. But you know, again that was

1232
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: just you know, shout out to the women cooking, because

1233
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: then I gotta do.

1234
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 3: It, Okay, cool, just making sure.

1235
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: She still gets yeah, I got yeah, I gotta do it.

1236
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: So she comes to town. She lives in Portland. Yeah,

1237
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: so if she comes to town, she's like, yo, I

1238
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: want the.

1239
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: Fish, but I gotta get the fish. Mama gets what

1240
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: she wants.

1241
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, it's got four minutes. Why are you scared

1242
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be cooked.

1243
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 2: I just want to make sure it's cooked the way

1244
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: I wanted to be cooked. And I don't know this oven.

1245
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: This oven, this is billy I've never met.

1246
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, Billy, I don't I don't

1247
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: have a lot of faith in Billy. But I will

1248
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: say that one time me and Mario cook cakes, okay,

1249
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: and I thought it was gonna take longer, and because

1250
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: of me, we burnt the cakes.

1251
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 2: So I don't mind a little char now, I don't

1252
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: mind a little chart because if the if, the if,

1253
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 2: the if, the tail gets crispy and all that kind

1254
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: of stuff. Those are you. Yeah, I actually really liked

1255
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 2: the finn parts, especially when they.

1256
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: Get crispy and he's swallow and everything, well.

1257
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 2: It crunches up in your mouth like.

1258
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: Look, I'm gonna do it all I'm gonna do it

1259
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: all I eat. So when you could do Cross the show,

1260
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: what was that experience?

1261
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: Like? It was fantastic. One of my favorites of my career.

1262
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: Big shout out to Ben Watkins and Altatage and everybody,

1263
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 2: Craig Sebells, everybody who was working on that forgiving me

1264
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 2: the autonomy to create the character that I created. It

1265
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 2: was a great experience with the cast. We're a well

1266
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 2: oiled machine up there, and so hopefully you know everybody

1267
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: likes season two as much as they like season one.

1268
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and your series regular? How was that knowing that?

1269
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's nice, you know.

1270
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: Get a consistent, consistent now in a situation like this,

1271
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: you're still like weary though, right uh.

1272
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, cause like like like, look at what's happening with

1273
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 2: the president. They're there, they're they're kidnapping little girls off

1274
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 2: off elementary school stages. So I guess for me, the

1275
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: only thing that I'm trying that I would try to

1276
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: get across the people is that what's happening in your

1277
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: little in your value. You don't live in a vacuum,

1278
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: so imagine all the things that are happening to folks

1279
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: can happen to you. And we're taught in this country

1280
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: to be individualized, like your voting rights being taken from you,

1281
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: being taken from the people in Florida and across the South,

1282
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: as if that can't affect you, right, So I'm always

1283
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: thinking about that, And a lot of times money doesn't

1284
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: shield you from having those experiences. I mean, Tyreek Kill

1285
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: got his almost got his arm broken on his way

1286
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 2: to the Miami Dolphins game, and he was in a

1287
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: ferrari and he's got millions of dollars and all that

1288
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, but he wasn't shielded from that experiences.

1289
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: He's still a black man in Florida. And I think

1290
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: a lot of times people's brains get twisted because they

1291
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: think that they've, you know, they've gotten enough money to

1292
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: prevent those problems from happening to them. And you know,

1293
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff has nothing to do with

1294
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: how much money you have. It has to do with

1295
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: the circumstances that are going on in the country. And

1296
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: I think you need to care about those circumstances so

1297
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 2: that they don't happen to you and then also don't

1298
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: happen to other people.

1299
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Are you still doing spoken word.

1300
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wish there were more places

1301
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 2: to perform out here in LA. But I'm working on

1302
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: ALB you do fo. Nah, I haven't been there. When

1303
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 2: I was thinking about going, and I reached out to

1304
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 2: some folks, and I could be wrong totally. There was

1305
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: a lot of slam rules and I'm not a big

1306
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: like poetry slam where the poem's got to be three minutes.

1307
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: You're in competition with other poets and things like that.

1308
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: And for me, I'm not the biggest fan of slamming,

1309
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: just because I think some stories need to be longer

1310
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: than three minutes, and I don't want to be penalized,

1311
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: you know, because something's four fifteen or what have you.

1312
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: That's and again I came up doing slam, so I

1313
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 2: understand it's just at this space in my life, I'm

1314
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: not you know whatever. But also in that same vein,

1315
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: I'm working on the album right now, there'll be some

1316
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 2: poetry on it. So I'm said about that. It's called screenplays.

1317
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: It's because a concept piece. That's a concept album.

1318
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: I want to eat, Eat, Eat, I never wanted to

1319
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,479
Speaker 1: eat so bad on the show. Okay, all right, let's

1320
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 1: talk about this album, Yes, ma'am, come all the way

1321
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: back over here.

1322
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's a concept piece called Screenplays that you

1323
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: can see for it is my filmmaker goes to a

1324
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: studio to pitch movie ideas, and all those movie ideas

1325
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 2: are a song. So think of modern day slick Rick.

1326
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: They're all storyline records. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah,

1327
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 2: blended hip hop, jazz, spoken word. Each song kind of

1328
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: has its own flavoring theme. That's why I say modern

1329
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: day slick Rick because for me, yes, yeh, slick Rick

1330
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: meets nos. So you know, I'm very excited about that. Yeah,

1331
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: I'm very excited about the record. The single that we're

1332
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: gonna have coming out, it's called Green Shoot Music. It's

1333
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: a tribute to the victims of the Valdi shooting that

1334
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: took place in Valdi, Texas in twenty twenty two. I

1335
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 2: wrote a record. There was a young girl in that

1336
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: shooting that was so unrecognizable that the only way they

1337
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: could recognize the body is from the green shoes that

1338
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: she was wearing, the green converse. So I wrote a

1339
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: record from the perspective of those green converses. If they

1340
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: came to life and are rapping about what took place

1341
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: and the reasons why these things continue to keep taking place.

1342
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 3: Wow, that's creative, that's very art artistic.

1343
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

1344
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: Are you doing this independently?

1345
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, everything independent. I think that's the beautiful thing

1346
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: I will say about, you know, having a functioning career

1347
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,479
Speaker 2: is that you can take some of that money and go,

1348
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: you know, do other things and not have to be

1349
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: worried about this needs to be on the radio, This

1350
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 2: has to fit some kind of metric. Whatever happens with

1351
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 2: the record is whatever happens with the record, And I

1352
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: think that's the way that art has to That's how

1353
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: you should make art. You never really know what's going

1354
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: to hit. You don't know what's going to touch the

1355
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 2: hearts and minds of folks, and so you just need

1356
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: to write work, be truthful, be earnest, and then put

1357
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 2: it out.

1358
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,479
Speaker 1: Do you have any ideas what you'd like to see

1359
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: come from it?

1360
01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: I just want to touch people. Like at the end

1361
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 2: of the day, I'm forgetting the philosopher's name, but I

1362
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 2: just really feel like we're all water dropless in the ocean.

1363
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: We all we all grains of sand on the beach,

1364
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: and so it's just about playing your part, and so

1365
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that, you know, after my life expires, you

1366
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 2: on this planet. I've played my part so that the

1367
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: future can be more equitable and be more elevated for

1368
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: other people. So I don't get into the hero worship.

1369
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: I suppose as if during the Silver Rice movement, Martin

1370
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 2: Luther King was the only one doing anything. That's what

1371
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 2: we talk about. But there was Mecca Evers and all

1372
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 2: these people. Think about the hundreds of people that were

1373
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 2: on the Selma Bridge. We might know, we not, we

1374
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: might not know those people's names, but they played a

1375
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 2: very significant part of getting us to where we are.

1376
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: So I just want to play my part. And so

1377
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: some we some of this, some of the music that

1378
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 2: we we need, you know, feeds feeds that, and so

1379
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: I'll never forget seeing you know, Matthew McConaughey at the

1380
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 2: White House with those Green conference and it reminded me

1381
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 2: of a Nike ad and so that's where the record

1382
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 2: came from, you know. So so yeah.

1383
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 3: Wow, you're deep. You're very deep.

1384
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: What advice would you give to someone trying to pursue

1385
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: acting or the entertainment industry? Besides living on a.

1386
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: Budget, you live on a budget. Gosh, dang it. I

1387
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: would say, determine very ong what kind of artists you

1388
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: want to be. And what I mean by that is,

1389
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: do you want to do Recei's commercials or do you

1390
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 2: want to do indie projects? Like what do you want

1391
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 2: to say? What's your voice? And then I think by

1392
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 2: defining what that is, it'll help shape which way you

1393
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: want to go. And you know you'll be doing top

1394
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 2: Dog Unnerdog on stage versus this other project that is

1395
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 2: purely for capitalistic gain. And I think the faster you define.

1396
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 2: And again that's not judging either one. It's just that

1397
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 2: a lot of times those things are contradictory to each other.

1398
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the money versus the purpose.

1399
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: I guess that's a simple I guess that's a more

1400
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: simplistic way to put in. I'm just you know, one

1401
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 2: does I put like this? I might not think you're

1402
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 2: gonna be doing certain kinds of art if you're doing

1403
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: other kinds of art. If that makes sense, it's how

1404
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 2: do I say this? Because like it's so easy in

1405
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 2: this culture where people think you're dissing everything, you know

1406
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 2: what I mean. So it's like I don't I don't

1407
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 2: see Meryl Streeping Skittles commercials, you know what I'm saying

1408
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: Like that, like she has decided to be a certain

1409
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: kind of artist, and by making that decision, it makes

1410
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 2: you You're gonna say no to some things. And I

1411
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: know that Denzel Washington said that your your career as

1412
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 2: an actor, and I think this is about you as

1413
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 2: an artist as well. It's not about what you do,

1414
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: it's about what you say no to, you know what

1415
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 2: I mean. So there's just certain things that you will

1416
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 2: Once you define who you are, then you know that

1417
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 2: you're not gonna you know, you're gonna say I don't

1418
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 2: think that's I don't think that's for me.

1419
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: So in your current state, if says times are rough

1420
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: and someone proposed something that you weren't you couldn't see

1421
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: yourself doing, but the money was good, you would turn

1422
01:03:59,280 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 1: it down.

1423
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, depends on what that is like. Obviously, obviously you

1424
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: have to, you know, be realistic. So, you know, if

1425
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: you got to do the kool Aid ad because you ain't,

1426
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: you know, you you you're struggling a little bit, then cool.

1427
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 2: But if I'm struggling and somebody asked me to do

1428
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 2: a voiceover for the Republican Party, because that's a no,

1429
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 2: that's a negative. I can't do that, Okay, So yeah,

1430
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: I like that your firm. It's an absolute negative.

1431
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: And then at what point did you discover who you

1432
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 1: were and what your standards were?

1433
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: Shoot, I think it's just ever evolving, constantly evolving, and

1434
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: I think you're it changed. It's going to change over time.

1435
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: So I think I've always known that, I, you know,

1436
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: believe in equality and equity and and and making beautiful work.

1437
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 2: And I think I just get that from the ancestors,

1438
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 2: from Nina Simone too, you know, down to Richard Pryor,

1439
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: down to I seen rehearsal Ali the other day. You

1440
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 2: know when you see these you know titans in these

1441
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 2: star wars, Like I said, they have a standard and

1442
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 2: I want to continue. You know that standard even as

1443
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 2: an MC from Black Doot to Dail, Electronica to Most

1444
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 2: Death y'all seen now was a big inspiration for me.

1445
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 2: And so you know, I was It's funny. I was

1446
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 2: just on a panel with malcol Jamal Warner. You know,

1447
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: God rest is soul, and when I was on that panel,

1448
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: I was talking about poetry. There's there's very rarely any

1449
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 2: poems about hoes because it just sounds weird, you know

1450
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 2: what I mean. You would never be like, yeah, this

1451
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,480
Speaker 2: whole did this this boom boom not because we all

1452
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 2: know that poetry as an art form, it sits in

1453
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 2: almost in a museum like, it has to be about

1454
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 2: things that matter. It's hard to commodify and commercialize poetry

1455
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 2: in the same way that hip hop and rap and

1456
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: stuff has been, you know, commercialized. So for me, I

1457
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: come from poetry, and you know, nine times out of ten,

1458
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: even if you're talking about relationships or any of this

1459
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: kind of stuff, it's about getting to the heart of

1460
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 2: the human condition, human understanding, human elevation, and it's not

1461
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: solely just a capitalistic you know.

1462
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 1: Well I never thought of it like that. It never

1463
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: never even occurred to me.

1464
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you think about a poem, think

1465
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: about all the poe that come to mind, and well,

1466
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 2: I think it was what's good brother's name he was

1467
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 2: in training day. I'm forgetting bro, not Denzel, the other brother.

1468
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting his name right now. But when he said,

1469
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 2: people rarely think about poetry until their mother passes away,

1470
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: until they have a broken heart, until they're trying to

1471
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 2: figure out how to you know, examine this emotion. And

1472
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 2: that is why poetry has always been here since the

1473
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 2: inception of humanity. You know, I always say I wouldn't

1474
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 2: be surprised if we found out the whales got poetry

1475
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 2: inside the waves, inside the water drop with see feel me.

1476
01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: Maybe will figure that out in a hundred years or something.

1477
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: But it just shows you how important art is. And

1478
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 2: and it's unfortunate that now at this time, that so

1479
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 2: much of the art that we do is not necessarily

1480
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 2: it's it's geared toward simply, you know, making money. And

1481
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 2: I think that's why we have so much of the

1482
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: finite topics that that that we can you know, talk about.

1483
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 3: So yeah, I agree, all right, Well, I.

1484
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: Think we did not hear some sizzlings. We got too many.

1485
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 2: Don't let us eat, Let us eat.

1486
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: I have never waited so.

1487
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 2: Long, so I'm my bad. You know, we.

1488
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: Usually have a limit on the show, like if you

1489
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: can't cook the dishes under twenty minutes.

1490
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 2: Oh man, I didn't get that. My bad.

1491
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 3: Well, we didn't know.

1492
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 1: We never had a whole fish on the show, so respectfully,

1493
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: we've never done this before, but we do know this

1494
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: is a gourmet meal. This ain't this ain't no. Well,

1495
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: I guess it's a broke dish, but it doesn't feel

1496
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 1: like a broke this.

1497
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 2: You know, I think, Yeah, I think that's what you

1498
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 2: gotta do. You know what I'm saying. It's like you

1499
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 2: can you can be you can be fly on a budget.

1500
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 2: It don't even have to be a budget. It's just

1501
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 2: so you can continuously keep being fly. You don't want

1502
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 2: to be fly. And then now I see you you know,

1503
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 2: you know unfly? You know what I mean?

1504
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 3: Like, you know, left, it's ready?

1505
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:53,920
Speaker 1: It is ready?

1506
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: You sure? All right? Cool? Let me take this out.

1507
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: I hope it's ready.

1508
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 2: Man, she got you got?

1509
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: You don't eat this with broccolinia nothing.

1510
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 2: Actually, I wouldn't. I normally, you know, make a salad,

1511
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: or you can make a rice dish, some Beeranni, you

1512
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 2: could do whatever you like.

1513
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:16,560
Speaker 1: This would be good with some broccolini.

1514
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. First of all, high five broccolini. That I actually love.

1515
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite dishes.

1516
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: It's my daughter's.

1517
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 2: It gets really sweet when you when you chart it.

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01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 2: I love I love it. Yeah, I love it.

1519
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 1: My broccolini. Guys, he wouldn't like it.

1520
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 3: I know why he wouldn't like why I already know.

1521
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: Why would just judge you?

1522
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 2: Why?

1523
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 3: Because I use butter.

1524
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: I use I use a lot of bumb broccoli. I

1525
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: do butter, a little bit of garlic, like the mince

1526
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: garlic you have with a lemon zest and the lemon

1527
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: zest and the two Okay, and then I and then

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: I saw in that with deal on top a little

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01:08:58,040 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: bit of minutes.

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01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: All right, I think we good beat us.

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01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,400
Speaker 1: I think the whole crew even behind the scenes. Look,

1532
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 1: my dad is standing I can see you. He's standing

1533
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: up like yo.

1534
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 2: Let me get over all right, all right?

1535
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: This is Look, it is the most anticipated dish of

1536
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: the season.

1537
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 2: So can I put the pan there? Do I got it?

1538
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 2: Where should I? I should put it?

1539
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: Probably put it there? Yeah, move all those extra filates.

1540
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: I told him he would have to cook all these pilats.

1541
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: I think I didn't because we've been here for thirty years.

1542
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd have been here all day, but we would

1543
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 2: have ate all week.

1544
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: Though we would have ate, we would have woof. Look

1545
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 1: I see him standing up there watching everyone's gonna fight

1546
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: for this last fish. Because I'll tell you this, I'm

1547
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: not sharing my fish.

1548
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 2: Oh look, we got a special.

1549
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: We gotta eat. We gotta eat.

1550
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: Okay, right here, the pressure is.

1551
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 3: On, yo.

1552
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: That looks so legit. We're gonna need a picture that.

1553
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 1: I guess we'll get pictures after that looks that's great.

1554
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 2: And see now the oil and the water become like

1555
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 2: a juice that you can do.

1556
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:07,960
Speaker 1: You have your phone on you.

1557
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 3: We should totally take a picture.

1558
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go.

1559
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:14,879
Speaker 1: That looks legit.

1560
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,560
Speaker 2: I don't have the best phone, but hopefully this. I

1561
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 2: haven't bought a new phone a long while, so hopefully.

1562
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 3: I love that you practice what you preach.

1563
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you don't need all these phones.

1564
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 1: This was done, guys.

1565
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 2: That's actually a nice little photo.

1566
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes, feed us.

1567
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,640
Speaker 2: Okay, now, if you really want to get you know,

1568
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 2: schmancy fancy. You know, I've seen other recipes where you

1569
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 2: bake it and then you flash, you flash fright at

1570
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: the end, so it gives it a real crispy skin

1571
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 2: and stuff. So there's a lot of different ways to

1572
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 2: prepare this. All right, fingers crossed, fingers cross apple sauce.

1573
01:10:55,000 --> 01:11:02,440
Speaker 2: All right, Oh, yes, looking looking look were outside?

1574
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 1: Stop saying we outside?

1575
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm nervous.

1576
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: You don't look nervous at all. You look like a chef.

1577
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, even the fly, even we got we

1578
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 2: got everybody in here trying to get something.

1579
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: The fly is in here, like yo, Katie in the back,

1580
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 1: she don't even eat fish, and she says she gonna

1581
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: try this. And when she first saw those, she said,

1582
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: just so you know, I'm not trying that. When oh

1583
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: my goodness, oh sorry, I grabbed.

1584
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 3: I should have done it, like if you want to.

1585
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:40,600
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna need seasoning. Okay, Now I

1586
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,799
Speaker 1: don't know about the cinnamon. Guys, I can smell the cinnamon.

1587
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 2: I use my hands when I eat this. You feel me,

1588
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 2: But you might want to start with your fork. You

1589
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 2: can take the rosemary out. Man. I feel like all

1590
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: of Portland is on the line right now, all of Portland.

1591
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 2: They're gonna be like, bro, don't be embarrassing.

1592
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: Us on here, no man, Okay, here we eat.

1593
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 2: Yeah that's cool.

1594
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: I never wanted someone to sit sit down. Okay, take

1595
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: the lemons off, yeah, okay, take the lemons off.

1596
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 2: Lemons off.

1597
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: Okay.

1598
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 2: And if you see how you get tossed, you hit him,

1599
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 2: you get some juice that comes out of there.

1600
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it. It's very seasoned.

1601
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 2: It's like hot. Wow, there we go, here's Jay.

1602
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: Should it be harsh? And imagine he did so well

1603
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: in that kitchen for hours, and I just say, there's

1604
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 1: a lot of human human on him.

1605
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 3: All right, Gee, all right, it's good.

1606
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: All right, Gee, it's good. But I feel like, is

1607
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: it the cuman or the cinnamon?

1608
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: Also, be very careful the bones.

1609
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 3: Look, I'm hungry.

1610
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: You made me wait ten years for this food. All right, guys,

1611
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: we're wrapping this episode, but we do have to rape

1612
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: a dish.

1613
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 2: Make sure you get some of that inside.

1614
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,040
Speaker 1: Why is it? Is it different in there? Oh, it's

1615
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: got the garlic and all that. Right, hold on, hold on.

1616
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 3: He's trying to make sure his rating goes up. He's like,

1617
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know. Hold on, I think this.

1618
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: Is mm hmm.

1619
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 3: Inside better.

1620
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 1: I think it's a cinnamon.

1621
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 2: I don't like the cinnamon. I'm a big fan of cinnamon.

1622
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: Is a cinnamon or the human that you drown?

1623
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 2: The fishing also too, you got to see you got

1624
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 2: this little thing on.

1625
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 3: Okay, but we gotta see you your head before we

1626
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 3: close out. Okay, eat the head.

1627
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna rate this dish based on the human and

1628
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:02,799
Speaker 1: the cinnamon.

1629
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 3: Seven.

1630
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: You'll take a seven.

1631
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: I'll take a seven and the kitchen I never took before.

1632
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: All right, look at him and try to take a

1633
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: swing back holding I still eat it. I still think

1634
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: it's great. Oh you like did you eat the.

1635
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 2: Head and take a little deep buttle meat off the top? Oh?

1636
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 3: I thought you just stick it all in your mouth.

1637
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: All right, guys, thank you so much for tuning into

1638
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: such a delicious episode. This came out perfect me personally.

1639
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: I would go a little lighter on the cuman and

1640
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 1: the cinnamon.

1641
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 3: But other than that, the inside of the fish is phenomenal.

1642
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,639
Speaker 1: Still would eat this dish. It's still gonna go home.

1643
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:47,799
Speaker 3: And make the rest of these filets.

1644
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in. And where can they keep up

1645
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 1: with everything?

1646
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,560
Speaker 2: Johnny at Johnny ray gill on Instagram, Twitter if it

1647
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 2: still exists at Johnny ray Gill and Cross Season two,

1648
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 2: February eleventh, and the album Yeah twenty twenty six.

1649
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty six, Stay tuned, Peace out, y'all.

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01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:04,960
Speaker 2: Whosh