1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Oh. This is the SWBC Mortgage Dallas Cowboys Happy Broadcasting 2 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: live from the Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco. 3 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: Brought to you by Geico fifteen minutes could save you 4 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: fifteen percent or more on car insurance and by SWBC Mortgage. 5 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: Customized solutions to help you meet your personal and business goals. 6 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 1: Visit SWBC dot com. Now your hosts, the Dallas Cowboys 7 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: Radio Network All Stars, welcome to the Cowboys Club here 8 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. And do we have a 9 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: tree for you tonight? This is gonna be awesome. I 10 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: am really fired up because to my right we have 11 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: from one oh five three the fan Chris Arnold. How 12 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: are you? Chris great? Shilling got you down? Yeah? Yeah? Hey? Also, 13 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: do you're right, Mickey Spagnola, Dallas Cowboys dot Com. How 14 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: are you doing tonight? Man? I am great? How are 15 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: you guys? We're doing great? And to your right and 16 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: I and I don't ever, I don't like throwing this 17 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: word around lightly, but I feel very confident in using 18 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: this word tonight. We have a legend on the show, yes, 19 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: and I mean a legend to you're right, Mickey Spagnola, 20 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: Roger Stallback joining the show. How are you doing? Yeah, 21 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: how's it going? Well, it's going pretty good. Yeah. Times 22 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: got a lot of good food here. Everything smells good. 23 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: Everybody looks good. Ready for a great show. So what 24 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: have you been up to these days? What's going on 25 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: in the life of Roger Stallback. Well, I was in 26 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: the real estate business for many years and had my 27 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: own company. We sold it to JLL about ten years ago, 28 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: and I just retire, and Robert Shaw and I have 29 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: been partners for thirty years. We've owned I've had ownership 30 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: in his company, and he's built some rag office As 31 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: i'man back in the day. In nineteen seventy nine, he 32 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: was a number one draft choice by the Dallas Cowboys 33 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: and in the first round, and he really tore up 34 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: his knee. He was one heck ofo football player tore 35 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: up his knee. In eighty two, he retired and he 36 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: started a real estate firm and so I was part 37 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: of it. And so through the years. He's a heavy 38 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: lifter and we have built some real nice apartments in 39 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: this whole area, and we're involved with the twelve next 40 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: door here and Robert is So I've spent time with 41 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: Robert and do other things and retirement is it's kind 42 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: of depressing, but it's exciting at the same time when 43 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: you're when you're kind of retired. Yeah, and we're gonna 44 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: talk about twelve a little bit later in the show, 45 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: because I was going to say involved is kind of unders. 46 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna get the whole thing. We're gonna get into 47 00:02:58,320 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: that a little bit later on because that's a very 48 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: interesting and a really cool thing they're doing out here 49 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: at the Star. So let's talk. Let's talk a little 50 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: bit about Cowboy football. And I want most of this 51 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: show to be about about Roger because there's so many 52 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: interesting things that I want to know personally. So we'll 53 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,119 Speaker 1: get into that, but let's kick it off a little bit. 54 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: Cowboys are six and seven in leading the division. Chris 55 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: jumping here, what are your expectations of this team coming 56 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: down the stretch with three games left. Well, for anyone 57 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: who says that they're overrated, they're not. I think Mickey 58 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: agree with the other this. They got the talent. It's 59 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: just a matter of what is not going right. And 60 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: I think I think it's a combination of different things. 61 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: One you could say, well, you got a first year 62 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. You can say the special teams are number 63 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: thirty two in the league. That's a big problem there. 64 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: You got a new kicker now. But I also think 65 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: that the defense has not lived up through expectations. Maybe 66 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: it's because they're not disciplined enough to not staying in 67 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: their gaps. You're not where you're supposed to be. The 68 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: guy behind you he has lost. But I don't know 69 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: if they're trying to play he rollball on defense, and 70 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: because they are talented, they're not staying where they want 71 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: to be. But a combination of all those things have 72 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: them leading up to less than expectation standards. And they 73 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: are six and seven and they know there's a gun 74 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: to their head that they've got to win these games 75 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: to make it to the playoffs. You know, it's a 76 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: weird thing. And Roger, I don't know if you ever 77 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: had to go through this, but for half a team, 78 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: they're sitting at six and seven and tied for first 79 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: place in the NFC East. I'm guessing you might not 80 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: have ever been six and seven. Well, you know, there's 81 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: there's some similarities in our seventy one team. We were 82 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: we were as a fourteen game schedule back then and 83 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: we were four and three, just lost to the Chicago Bears. 84 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: So we're coming back in the team playing I think 85 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: I think the Cowboy just lost the Bears too. Yeah, 86 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: a lot of similarities, I'm saying, you never know. And 87 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: so we're coming back in the team plane and coach 88 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: Landry gets on the microphone, which he never did on plane, 89 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: in our plane, our team plane, but he just said, 90 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: we have a you know, we have a team meeting 91 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: on Monday. The coaches will not be there, but you 92 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: as players get to that meeting and figure out how 93 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: you're going to turn this season around. And uh so 94 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: four and three we were an ugly four and three, 95 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,359 Speaker 1: you know, unnamed players blaming this and you know it 96 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: was in the press, was killing us. And this was 97 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: and if I could back up, this is after you 98 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: had gone to the Super Bowl the season before the 99 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: season before and that and they so they were really 100 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: down on us because we were now four and three. 101 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: And uh so, we had a team meeting the next 102 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: day and Bob Lelly or mel renfro, Cornell Green, Mike 103 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: did guys got up and started talking about saying, hey, listen, 104 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna make the rest of the season a priority 105 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: and we're gonna work our tails off out of practice, 106 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: and so it really there was it was a heck 107 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: of a meeting. It was one of those meetings were 108 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: at it. It just felt felt good. It wasn't you know, like, 109 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: oh what we have meeting for? And it we Uh, 110 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: we won seven straight games after that, and we won 111 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: the first two playoff games and then we won the 112 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. We won ten in a row. So I 113 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: haven't given up yet. Uh, being six and seven, we're 114 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: still we're still on the hunt. And uh, i'd like 115 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: to see another seventy one season where we turned it around. 116 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: So it's I don't give up on anything. So it's 117 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: not over yet. But it's been a it's been a 118 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: rough year. We've we've lost some really close games, and 119 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: we can argue over a lot of different things. But 120 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm still a Cowboy fan and I'm I still think 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: we'll beat the Rams on Sunday and and we'll make 122 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: the playoffs. So so you had the meeting, but what 123 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: else do you think on the field turn things around 124 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: to kind of get things going well. We had the 125 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: meeting and then that week of practice, UM we coach 126 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: Landry mentioned on on Friday at a team meeting, said 127 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: this is the best week. You guys have worked harder 128 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: than you've ever worked. And the coaches were really after 129 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: us because being four and three and we were, you know, 130 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: we were a good team. We had a lot of 131 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: talent on that team. And so we uh we you know, 132 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of unspectacular preparation it gets spectacular results. 133 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't just talk. You got to do 134 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: something about it. And we did. And and the leaders 135 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: on the team, the Lilies, the Renfros, the Green you know, 136 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: the Dickas and you know dick actually at the team meeting, 137 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: he said, at the end of the meeting, he said, 138 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: you know, we played the Saint Louis Cardinal's next next week, 139 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: and if you guys don't give me everything you have 140 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: on that field in that game, I'm gonna know who 141 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: you are and I'm gonna personally do something about And 142 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: he did a Michael benness. You know, if Dickas said that, 143 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: he would do so. Yeah. So so we just we 144 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: we got we got everybody starting to think right that 145 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: we're we're there to play foot ball and to win 146 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: football games. And it, uh, it was it was a 147 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: great year. I mean, I I just I mean, we 148 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: just went through ten games and it was fantastic. Yeah, 149 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, and that's interesting because that's what the Cowboys 150 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: are going through right now. Everybody's asking him, well, what 151 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: do you need to do to turn it around? Right? 152 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: And and and you know, finally, you know, Dak and 153 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: I think he said it last week. It was like, Okay, 154 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: we're done talking. You know, we've talked all this stuff, 155 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: said all this stuff. Now it's time to start playing, right, Well, 156 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: now it's really time to start playing with this Rams 157 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: game coming up. Yeah. Joined here by with Roger Stallback 158 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: speaking of Dak. Roger, what do you what did you 159 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: see him? From Dak from the quarterback position, from him 160 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: coming to the league in twenty and sixteen to where 161 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: he's at current day? What do you what do you 162 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: see in the net? Well? I think Dak is uh, 163 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: he's got he's got his he's got the team. Uh, 164 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: every player that talks about him respects him, so he 165 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: he you know, he's a team leader, he's a quarterback, 166 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: and he's made big plays. He's think he's uh, you know, 167 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: he's had some there's been some rough games, but I 168 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: think Dak is h is one heck of a football player. 169 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: And you know, when they got you know, really, when 170 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: they got Cooper, they finally they got they got someone 171 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: who could really throw it in. And Cooper's been banged 172 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: up a little bit, so it's so it offensively that 173 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: the running game is been shut down a little bit. Uh, 174 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: But I think Dak is still a really really excellent quarterback. 175 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: You know what, Deck has something similar to you. You're 176 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: the king of the comeback, Captain comeback. He has more 177 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: comebacks than any other quarterbacks. He's twenty sixteen, but this season, ironically, 178 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: he doesn't have any come from behind victories. He doesn't. 179 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: It's like he's number thirty the Cowboys, number thirty, which 180 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: is ironic because he is so good at coming from behind, 181 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: just like you were in your day. Yeah, we would 182 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: have had a lot more comebacks, but we weren't behind 183 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: that much. That's one way to take, right Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 184 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: that's sort of my my solution to that. When you 185 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: have problems kicking field goals, my solution is scored touchdowns. Right, 186 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about it, right, you know, 187 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: sports though, and you know, we we lost some games, 188 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: you know, we but you know, sports, it's you just 189 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: don't quit. And there's many times, uh, you know, we 190 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: we lost some really tough games, but we also won 191 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: games and and that uh you know, we won games 192 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: that we came behind and and so you you just 193 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: you really you can't quit. And you get that means 194 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: every player has got to contribute, you know, if you 195 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: just have a few players that have that attitude. Football 196 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: is a big team game, and it's when when everybody 197 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: is fighting together and you got talent and this team 198 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: does uh, you should win uh your share of games. 199 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: And I'm you know, I'm feel bad about the six 200 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: and seven record right now. I think or a better 201 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: team than now. Yeah, so I think everybody here is 202 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: Cowboy fans if you're listening, it's not over. There's plenty 203 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: of plenty of season left, plenty of playoffs, plenty of 204 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: fighting this team, so like, hang in there. Mathematically, there's 205 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: still a lot. It's not over. It seems crazy, but 206 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: there's still alive, right right, And we're still alive, yes, 207 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: And what we're gonna do is we're gonna take a 208 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: break real quick. But when we come back, and if 209 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: my math is correct, it's been forty years Roger, since 210 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: you played your last regular season NFL game. So I 211 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on what's changed between then 212 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: and now in today's game. And then something really big 213 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: is happening in February for you and mister Jones and 214 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: the Jones family out here at the start. We're gonna 215 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: get to that in a little bit. We'll be right back. 216 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Happy Hour on the Dallas Cowboys 217 00:11:49,880 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: Radio Network. M back back to the s WBC Mortgage 218 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys Happy Hour Devout broadcasting live from the Cowboys 219 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: Club at the A Star in Frisco, Fellas. Did you 220 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: know that s WBC customized solutions for individuals and businesses 221 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: are just a click away? Tell me visit SWBC dot com, 222 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: Mickey to learn more and start your next adventure. Very good, 223 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: go there in the next break on your phone, Mickey. 224 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: The thing we don't have me doing the reads? Mickey, 225 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: do you used to have a flip phone? I've graduated 226 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: from that. I think Jerry does though. Still yeah, he 227 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: Greg's about his We are joined here with very special guests. 228 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: Roger Stallback to my right is Chris Arnold. To his 229 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: right is Mickey Spagnola. And if my math is correct, Mickey, 230 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: you can probably speak to this, because I think you're 231 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: doing a little story on this at some point in 232 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: the near future. December marks the fortieth anniversary of Rogers 233 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: last regular season game in the NFL. Is that correct? 234 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy nine, the final game against the Redskins, right, 235 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: that's correct? Yep. A lot was on the line for 236 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: that game too, if I remember correctly. Yeah, that was 237 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: we got in the playoffs and then we knocked them 238 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: out of getting in the playoffs, but we stumbled in 239 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: the playoffs that year. So did you know going into 240 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: that game that that was going to be your your 241 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: final regular SNAF game. I still wasn't sure of what 242 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: was going to happen and what I wanted to do. 243 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: And but I had in the off season, I was 244 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: I was told I had a number of concussions and uh, 245 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: and so I went up to New York. They sent 246 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: me up to New York in the off season to 247 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: see doctor a doctor Fred Plum. He was with Cornell 248 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: Medical School and that was his forte was. He was 249 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: kind of the head of the game on concussions, and 250 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: he just told me I had too many and I was, 251 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: I was thirty eight years old, and we also had 252 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: a great quarterback behind me was Danny White. Danny was 253 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: there for four years and Danny was really a good 254 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: football player. And so so I made a decision that 255 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: spring that I they that I was, you know, turning 256 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: thirty eight, and uh, Danny was ready to play, and 257 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: I had I had a doctor named Fred Plum that 258 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: told me I should retire and so and my wife 259 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: was she was behind it. So uh, it was a 260 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: good eleven years with the Dallas Cowboys and I missed 261 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: it for a couple of years after I retired, but 262 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: it was the right thing to do at the time. 263 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: How far was it to tell coach Landry it? You know, 264 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: Coach Landry was he you know, he understood things. You know, 265 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 1: tex Tex was was talking to about another two year 266 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: contract and it would have been a really good one. 267 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: And so Tech still wanted me and and Gil Brand 268 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 1: was the best I mean, Gil was great, and so 269 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: I think he still wanted me to play. And U 270 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 1: but you know that they also everybody liked Danny White. 271 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: Dan Danny was there for four years and was and 272 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: when he when he took over, he did he did 273 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: a great job too. So so if I take you 274 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: back to that game, you know how he was talking 275 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: about never give up. Huh. So this is the game 276 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: to win the NFC East and as he said, the 277 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: winners going to the playoffs, the loser was probably out 278 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: of the playoffs. They were tied for first place and 279 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: they're playing at home Texas Stadium and you fall behind 280 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: like thirty four twenty one. Is that yeah? Well here, yeah, 281 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: that was a Redskin game. Yes, yeah, we were behind. 282 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: Um uh we we were behind fourteen to nothing and 283 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: then we went ahead seventeen fourteen. Then they went ahead 284 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: and U I mean we we kept coming from behind. 285 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: That was like the whole game was coming from behind, 286 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: and at the end we we won the game at 287 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: the very end. Yeah. And so the funny thing that happened. 288 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: And I remember when I researched this game, when we 289 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: did a deal on the Cowboys Redskins rivalry, Charlie Waters 290 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: was hurt. He wasn't playing, and he was up in 291 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: the radio booth with Brad Sham and Brad was going, 292 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: oh this is terrible. They say, oh, this is the worse. 293 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: They're They're not They're not gonna win us and Charlie's 294 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: deal was you gotta believe, you don't give up, right, 295 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: and Brad's going, yeah, yeah, they're behind. There's like four 296 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: minutes to go in the game and they're behind, you know, 297 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: thirteen points. It goes and he goes, you gotta believe, 298 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 1: and you brought him back and uh ended up on 299 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: that last drive in the last minute of the game, 300 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: driving them down to score that touchdown. Yeah, that was 301 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 1: that was a really a good one coming back against 302 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: the Redskins. It was the whole game though, was going 303 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: back and forth and they that knocked the Redskins out 304 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: of the playoffs and it put us into the we 305 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: won the division. So that Yeah, that was a really 306 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: good combat game. Was that the game that Harvey Martin 307 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: had the funeral wreath and threw it into the locker 308 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: room for the risks? Yes, it was yes, before the game, 309 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: no after you done. So what what happened was during 310 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: the week they got this wreath and it was it 311 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: was a funeral leaf delivered to their practice facility and 312 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: no one really knew where it came from, right because 313 00:19:55,560 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: it had a Virginia UH address on it. And Harvey 314 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: was just convinced that the Redskins sent it to him 315 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: and they were, you know, kind of messing with him, right, 316 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: So they left it in the locker room, as I 317 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: found out. And then when they're getting ready to go 318 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: to the stadium, one of the equipment guys said, hey, Harvey, 319 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: why don't you take that thing to the stadium, And 320 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, maybe I should do that, right, So 321 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: he takes it. He's got it in the Cowboys locker room, 322 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: and after they win, he we've got a picture. It's 323 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: black and white. It's an ap picture that we used 324 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: in our book, and in full uniform, helmet on shoulder pads, whatever. 325 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: He doesn't know where the visitor's locker room was, which 326 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: is across the hallway on the other ramp, and he 327 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: walks over there, opens a door and throws the wreath in. 328 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: They're kneeling down at their prayer service right after the game, 329 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: and the thing goes skidding into one of their players. 330 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: That hits them right, And they found out later that 331 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: it really came from a cow Boy fan and from 332 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: a florist. And Harvey goes, I, when I interviewed him 333 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: for the story, he goes, I don't believe that. I 334 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: still think the Redskins said you brought you brought up 335 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: Danny White and he was a guest on. Uh. I 336 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: think it was the last show that that we've that 337 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: we've done, maybe the one before. And he came in 338 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 1: and he apologized because he had a sweatshirt on. He 339 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: had a hoodie and he was like, I'm sorry, I 340 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: just came from you know, Rogers Turkey Bowl. And I'm 341 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: still backing him up to this day. So explain what 342 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: the Turkey Bowl is and what that what that is, 343 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: Well that it started about forty years ago when I retired, 344 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: which was nineteen eighty that that offseason and uh we 345 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: uh we had a flag football game and had a 346 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: lot near our house and uh and our kids were 347 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: little at the time. But as the years went by, 348 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: uh we we we played every year. So we've played 349 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: forty years in a row. And our son Jeff, who 350 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: was here, really kind of took charge of it and 351 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: we had to over at Jesuit High School and uh 352 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: and so I was I was still over there throwing 353 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: and uh I threw I had two series. Uh. There 354 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 1: was some other quarterbacks, Max Knock and ah you know, 355 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 1: uh and so so the uh, the I threw an 356 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: interception in the end zone, and I threw a touchdown pass, 357 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: So I was, but I was, I was. I was 358 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: throwing halfway decent for an old guy. And we've been 359 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: doing it for a flag. It's called the Turkey Bowl 360 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: in the last forty years. Yeah. Wow, and you're still 361 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 1: quarterbacking the team. And who came over to watch us 362 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: too was Ed Jones came over to Bob Lily, Yeah, 363 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: Drew Pearson, Mike Singletary. Uh wow, it was really uh 364 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: it was. It's it's it's it's become a tradition. That's 365 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: really cool. I gotta I gotta tell them about something 366 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: else Roger does. Y'all might not know this, but Rodgers 367 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 1: are really good basketball playing back in the day. Yeah, 368 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: I was doing this all Star game with Spud Webb 369 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: and we brought over Charles Barkley, Magic Johnson, Dominique Wilkins, 370 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: Chris Mullen is basically the dream team. Yeah, to play 371 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: a game of horse in Rogers backyard, and we did 372 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: it a couple of years. Yeah, and Rodgers like killing 373 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: these guys. You know how those players we got him 374 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: over because they they would they were helping Spud Webb 375 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: down Saint Philip's School exactly, and if they gave so, 376 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: if the patron gave a certain comp uh money for 377 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: they would come over our house to play against these 378 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: all stars. Yeah, most of most of it was we 379 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 1: were playing horse right, but sometimes it got serious though, 380 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: with I mean Berkeley over there it was Barkley. Oh yeah, god, 381 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: he almost killed me over there. And you can't winning 382 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: because you do every trick area in your home. Like 383 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: he knew a tree was over here, he gets hit 384 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: it behind the tree and they couldn't match it. It 385 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: was it was wild yeah, or Barkley got me one time. 386 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: He was Barkley's a tough guy. But yeah, what what's 387 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: changed about the quarterback position since since you played? But 388 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: how's that different than well, it's it's, uh, it's not 389 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: a lot different. The the uh the quarterback still has 390 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: has the responsibility. You know when you when you throw 391 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: the football, you're reading the defense. So so it's it's 392 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: not it's not just that you have a great arm 393 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: or you you you need to have a stronger arm 394 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: in the NFL than and especially you know like in college, Uh, 395 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: you don't have you know, the top players on every 396 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: team you play against but in the NFL you do. 397 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: And so so the quarterback's got to have have a 398 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: strong arm and and that's true today and and and 399 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: also the quarterback has got to be able to read defenses. 400 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: And you know, the you know, like Brady doesn't run 401 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: very much and been running today can come in handy. 402 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: But Brady gets rid of the ball real fast because 403 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: he reads things faster than anybody I think, I mean, 404 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: because he can find people that are open. Uh And 405 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: that's what that's the big thing, because it happened so quick. 406 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: There's it's only a couple of seconds where you gotta 407 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: when you go up to look at what's going on 408 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: to defense, you can see what you've seen seen on 409 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: film and say, hey, they're going to run this defense. 410 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: But when you take the snap, you got to you 411 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: gotta read to make sure that that's what they're doing. 412 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: And uh. So the position is, I think is just 413 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: the same as it's always been, as the quarterback has 414 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: got to make things happen in the passing game, and 415 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: you got to read the defenses and and uh and 416 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: and also have uh you know, it's a leadership position 417 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: on the team, and it's a very important leadership position. 418 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: How long did it take you to make that transition 419 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: after you didn't play for four years and then you 420 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: show up and it's like, oh, I'm the backup quarterback 421 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: now to get back to reading again. Well I was. 422 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: I didn't when I graduated from the Naval Academy, I 423 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 1: had four years to go in the service, and I 424 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: I didn't think I'd ever play football again. Four years 425 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: was like an eternity for when you're young, and so 426 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: so as the years went by, um I went out. 427 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: I took two weeks leave and went to training camp 428 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: in Thousand Oaks And it's the best thing I ever 429 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 1: did in my life because I went out there and 430 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: I was with all the rookies and then there was 431 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: some veterans and I had a really good training camp, 432 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: and coach Landry could see that I could still play again. 433 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: And then I realized that, hey, I you know, I 434 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: could play, and so he gave me the He gave 435 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: me the Cowboy playbook after I left that training camp, 436 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: and I was lucky to be drafted by Dallas. So 437 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: the reason so so I if I knew I was 438 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: going to play again, I was going to play for 439 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: the Cowboys and going to that training camp was so 440 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: I went immediately went back and Uh, so I put 441 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 1: my resignation in. So I still had a year after 442 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: my resignation. Uh, but uh going to training camp that 443 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 1: that year, uh changed my life because I knew then 444 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: I could play in the NFL elegate or play in 445 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, are you talking about the quarterbacks and 446 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: how this positions somewhat similar, are still the same. A 447 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, coach Belichick, going into a Super 448 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: Bowl against the Seahawks, said that Russell Wilson's game he 449 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: reminded him of you because he could throw really well 450 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: and use his legs when he had to. Is that 451 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: a fair comparison? There is there anybody out there right 452 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: now that reminds you of you? Well, you know, you know, 453 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: didn't you know? Now? Quarterbacks? Uh, you know, running is 454 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: more in vogue than it's ever been. I think, kid 455 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: and and and you know you can slide too, so 456 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 1: you don't have to run try to run over anybody. 457 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: But but back in the old days, I ran quite 458 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: a bit, you know, I you know, I you know, 459 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: first of all, the defense hated that if the quarterback 460 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: ran and got the first down, and so I I 461 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: really like making them be upset about that. And so 462 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks today, you know, I think they're faster. I 463 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: mean I had good agility and I was a decent speed, 464 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: but not not as fast as some of these guys. 465 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed the run to get the first down. 466 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: And uh in a in a in a and and 467 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 1: today it's it's really used a lot, and it's and 468 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: it's coming in handy in the quarterback that just stays 469 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: in the pocket. Uh, unless you're a Tom Brady or something. 470 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: Uh it's it's uh, it's that you you'd rather have 471 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: someone that can run out of the pocket. Now and 472 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: then So if Tom call running plays or did your 473 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: runs come out of necessity because of pressure? Now we 474 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: we we had a few running plays. Uh they were options, 475 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: but uh most of the time I ran. I just 476 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: ran out of the pocket because I saw somebody was 477 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: coming in on me, or I saw a little valley 478 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: there where I could run through and get the first down. 479 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: So who did it better? You or frand Tarkington? Uh? 480 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: Well we were I think that you could argue either way. 481 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: Or France. France and was more of a scrambler behind 482 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and he was really good as 483 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: a scrambler, and I ran forward a lot more and 484 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: he did so well. We are here at the Cowboys 485 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: Club at the Star in Frisco with very special guest, 486 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: Roger Stallback. We're gonna take a quick break, we come back. 487 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: There's a little a couple of things going on this weekend. 488 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: There's a thing called the Heisman Trophy that's gonna be 489 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: given out, which we probably have some pretty good insight 490 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: as to what that process is like here somewhere in 491 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: the room, a little thing called the Army Navy Games 492 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: going on this weekend. Well, and then a little bit 493 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: later on we're gonna talk about Roger's involvement in a 494 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: first of its kind development out here at the Star. 495 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Happy Hour on the Dallas Cowboys 496 00:29:40,560 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: Radio Network. M back back to the SWBC Mortgage Dallas 497 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: Cowboys Happy oh vout broadcasting live from the Cowboys Club 498 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco. We are back at the 499 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: Cowboys Club at the Star. We have some great food, 500 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: but even greater company here at this table, joined by 501 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: Chris Ano to my right, to his right, Mickey Spagnolan 502 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: to his right, very special guest Roger Stallback. This weekend, 503 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: there's a little thing going on called the Heisman Trophy presentation. 504 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: And at the opposite end of the table, we have 505 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: someone that won the award in nineteen sixty three. What 506 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: was that process light being involved, just being a candidate 507 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: for that and winning that, what was that experience? Well, 508 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: first of all, the Heisman Trophy as a it's an award. 509 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: That's it's really a team award because the art art 510 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: we really had a good football team in nineteen sixty three. 511 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: We were we were nine and one. UH beat Army. 512 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: At the end of the year. We lost the Texas 513 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: in the Cotton Bowl, but we we Uh. The Heisman 514 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: was was based on a great season by Navy and 515 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: I and I had and I had a real good 516 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: season as a quarterback. But it's it's a it's a 517 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: great award. It just it it's a team award. You're 518 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: not going to see some you know, some great player 519 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: on a five and five team get the Heisman Trophy. 520 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: And and it's really a team effort. And our sixty 521 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: three team was really good and uh. In fact, I'm 522 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,879 Speaker 1: going up to the Army Navy game this week and 523 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,919 Speaker 1: a captain of our team and I are good friends. 524 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: He's a retired admiral, and uh he'll be there and 525 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: uh he led us that year. He I always tell 526 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: him he should have got the heisman. He was the 527 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: leader of our our football team that and we played 528 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: some really tough, tough schedule. We played, you know, we 529 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: played Michigan Notre Dame and but we we were nine 530 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: and one and we lost the SMU on a Friday 531 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: night thirty two to twenty eight. And SMU, they had, 532 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: you know, a good team, and uh we and so 533 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 1: and then when we lost to Texas in the Cotton Bowl, 534 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: I said to our coach Wayne Hard and I said, 535 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: I never ever want to come back to Dallas, teach. 536 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: The best thing ever happen to be was going back 537 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: to Dallas. And people kind of remember those that, especially 538 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: the Texas. Texas was a national champ. Steady. We were 539 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: nine and one, We were number two team in the country. 540 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: Texas was ten and oh and we played them in 541 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: the Cotton Bowl and uh it was they had one 542 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: heck of a team. So we had a tough loss 543 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: in the Cotton Bowl to Texas. Now you had another 544 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: great experience in that Army Navy game. Was it the 545 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: year before for the coin flip President Kennedy, Yes, go 546 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: ahead and tell that story. Yeah, well the first the 547 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: first I was first armon to gave me. I was 548 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty two, and I was a nervous wreck 549 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: as a starting in the President Kennedy was there at 550 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 1: that game, and we met him in the locker room, 551 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: and uh, but we won thirty five to fourteen. And 552 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: I don't like to talk about it, but I threw 553 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: for two and ran for two, by the way. Yeah, 554 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: and and so uh, the next year in six or 555 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: the sixty one, he was there sixty two the game 556 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,479 Speaker 1: we played that I played in, and then he came 557 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: He would have come to the game in sixty three, 558 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: and he was assassinated before the game. And it was 559 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: on a Friday. The game was a week from that Saturday, 560 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: and the Kennedy family requested that we worth thought the 561 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: game was gonna be called off, and the Kennedy family 562 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: requested it to be played on his behalf because he 563 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: was a Navy guy and he loved coming to the 564 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: Army Navy game. And so we had the Army Navy 565 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: game and his honor was in nineteen. That was in 566 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: sixty three and we won twenty one to fifteen, and 567 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: the Army ended up on our like our two yard 568 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: line when the game ended. So so we had some 569 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: really good Army Navy games that they beat us. Then 570 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: my first class senior year at Navy. That the next year, 571 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: but we we won two out of three against Army, 572 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 1: and that you could be oh and nine at Navy, 573 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: and if you beat Army, you've hit us each several years. 574 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: Let me ask you two quick Heisman Trust Trophy questions. 575 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: First of all, when do I know you vote for 576 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 1: it every year? When do you have to turn in 577 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,399 Speaker 1: your ballot. I'm not gonna ask you who you're gonna 578 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 1: vote for it? But man, why not ask him? Okay, 579 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: now we ere Hurts. I went to you Hurts. The 580 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: Burrows is the best guy. Now we turned it in 581 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: the last week. Okay, so you've already yeah, we we 582 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: Is it gonna be unanimous? I don't know, No, we 583 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 1: just turned it in and I've I was, I've I've 584 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: gone up a couple of times. The Actually it's the 585 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: week of the Army Navy game and you go from Philadelphia, 586 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: New York. But I'm coming back here to go to 587 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: the Rams games. So yeah, priorities. I want to watch 588 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,439 Speaker 1: the Cowboys take care of you. Now. The second question 589 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: about the heismans, they get these Heisman house commercials, were 590 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: all the different guys are in the Heisman? Have you 591 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: done one of those or would you? Yes? We I 592 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: did something in that before. Yes, okay, in fact, I 593 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: think it was back when kind they got it started 594 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: or uh, yeah that I don't know when it was, 595 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: but we Yeah the Heisman, how that is so fun? 596 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: Yeah that was commercially just a riot. Yeah, so the 597 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: presentation now will become a really big thing, but that 598 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: the Heisman still is really a I mean, our our team. 599 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: You know, I kept telling him, I said, I want 600 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: to cut my heisman in pieces to give it to 601 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: you guys because you're without and you guys really won 602 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: the Heisman. And so like when I'm up here for 603 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: the game, they'll be about I'll run into old teammates. 604 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: Mean there's still a lot of them. Go to the game, 605 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: uh in Philadelphia and they all first time they see me, Hey, 606 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: where's my pieces? I haven't cut it up yet. Now, 607 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: was that like nationally televised like it is now or 608 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: they just think. Yeah it was back then. Well, the 609 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: Heisman Dinner itself, I'm not sure if it was, but 610 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 1: it was like a three day event in New York though. 611 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,640 Speaker 1: We uh I had my uh my future wife went 612 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: with me and my parents and it was really a 613 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: neat deal up in New York. Uh it was like 614 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: three days, so I'm not sure if it was on 615 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: TV or probably. Do you remember the other guys that 616 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: were like the top guys up for it with him? Uh? Yeah, 617 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's a long time ago. Yeah. Well, yeah, 618 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: fifty some years there was more than I don't they 619 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: they well, when I went up there, Uh, they knew. 620 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean you knew. I knew that. Okay, so okay, 621 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,799 Speaker 1: they didn't have it like they do today. I got you. Yeah, 622 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: they make a TV event of it today. But do 623 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: you look forward to that every year to vote on 624 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: that kind of keep up with college football? I sure do. Yeah. Yeah, 625 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 1: I still love football. I mean, I um, you know, 626 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: I love Navy and I love the Cowboys in the 627 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: professional league, but I still like watching games. Did you 628 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: get to vote when you in Vietnam? Uh? Well I 629 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 1: voted every year. Yeah, I'm sure, yeah, they Yeah, how 630 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: do you vote. Is it? Is it a mail end thing? 631 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: Is it all? How? How does that work? Well, they 632 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: asked that they've changed it through the years, but and 633 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,319 Speaker 1: this one they asked you to give you your top 634 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: three one, two, three, and before there we uh, you 635 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: know you actually would have more and you say, you know, 636 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: we won two, three, four, five, six, seventy nine tenth. 637 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: So now it's down to the I guess the three. 638 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: Now that's they're all they're they're bringing in New York 639 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: just three players, right, yeah, absolutely? Yeah. Who you think 640 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: he's gonna win a me? Joe Burrow? Burrows? Yeah? Is 641 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 1: there paying you to say that? Chris? Yeah? Kind of 642 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't. I mean, we lost one game. Our 643 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: defense isn't that strong. I'm told about Oklahoma Hurts has 644 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: been really, really good, although he's had a pick here 645 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: and there, but he's been surprising. I mean, it would 646 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,800 Speaker 1: have been nice to have three high sman in a 647 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: row for Oklahoma. You know, the high sman is coming 648 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: coming handy for me. I when I give a talk 649 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: or something, I uh have a story that you know. 650 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: My wife, we we met in grade school and we 651 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: we dated off and on high school and then we 652 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,520 Speaker 1: were dating off on, and you know, I was a 653 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: naval cadam. We were dating off and on and uh, 654 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: and she went to nursing school in Cincinnati and so 655 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: she uh and we were letters man. She just mean, 656 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: I must got a letter almost every day, you know. 657 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 1: And and then all of a sudden the letters slowed down. 658 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: And then I found out she was dating some doctor 659 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: at the at the hospital. Oh no. And and when 660 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,880 Speaker 1: the letters slowed down, I figure out that's that's probably it. 661 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: So fortunately I won the heisman in the letter. You 662 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: won't believe how the letters came down. Amazing, They started 663 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: coming back in. How do I want to thank so 664 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: you end up marrying a very smart woman. That's good. Well, 665 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna take our final break, and when we come back. 666 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: I have a very selfish question that I want to 667 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: ask Roger when we come back, and also get into 668 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: a little twelve talk. Uh, Roger and Jerry Jones joint vitcher. 669 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: Out here at the Star. You were listening to the 670 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: Happy Hour live from the Star, Frisco at the Cowboys 671 00:42:01,160 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: Club on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network. Back back to 672 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage Dallas Cowboys Happy Oh yeah, check about 673 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: broadcasting live from the Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco. 674 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage customized solutions to help you meet your personal 675 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:28,320 Speaker 1: and business goals. Mickey, Yes, visit SWBC dot com tonight. 676 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 1: I know all about s WBC, do you. Yes, We'll 677 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: make it happen. Make that happen, all right, So we 678 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,520 Speaker 1: are back here with very special guests, Roger stallback for 679 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,440 Speaker 1: our final segment, and I have a very we'll get 680 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: into some twelve talk here to second, but I have 681 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,560 Speaker 1: a very selfish question. I work here at the Star, 682 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: about what Mickey? About fifty feet that way you can 683 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 1: see probably at least my desk, probably yours too. I 684 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: can your office excuse me? So we both we both 685 00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,200 Speaker 1: hear uh, we both hear this about five times MS 686 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,800 Speaker 1: day and I just need to do a little fact checking. 687 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,760 Speaker 1: And Roger, I'm sure you're probably tired of telling the story. 688 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 1: But we hear the tours that come through the Star 689 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: every day, right, and they stop and there's a mural 690 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: here of the Hail Mary play and they tell the 691 00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: story of the Hail Mary and how it came to 692 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: be and all that. But I want to hear it 693 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 1: from the person that was involved in the play to 694 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 1: make sure that the tour guides are telling the correct story. 695 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,479 Speaker 1: So walk us through how that came to be. Well, 696 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,879 Speaker 1: it was in nineteen seventy five. We we overachieved that year. 697 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,800 Speaker 1: We were a wildcard team that went in the playoffs. 698 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: And the Vikings had a great year. They had frand 699 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: Target and Alan Page and all the great players. They 700 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,560 Speaker 1: had purple people lead and so we went up to 701 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: Minnesota to play them, and we played played the heck 702 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,000 Speaker 1: out of the first half, and then we were behind 703 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: fourteen to ten and we got the ball back and 704 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,040 Speaker 1: when much time left, it was fourth and seventeen and 705 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: I threw a past to Drew Pearson made it. Drew 706 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: was unbelievable. He had just great hands and and he 707 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: could you know, he ran routes good, so he was. 708 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: It was a corner post corner and he caught it 709 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 1: just before he went out of bounds, and if he 710 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: and if he didn't, that was it was a fourth 711 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,720 Speaker 1: down play. So we got a chance to u get another. 712 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: So we were about on the fifty yard line and 713 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 1: uh so we had really no timeouts left, and so 714 00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: I just basically said everybody block and Drew go deep. 715 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,480 Speaker 1: So it was really a tricky play. But that's all 716 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: we could do, is uh you know back then that 717 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 1: was the alley oop with the bomb or you know. 718 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,240 Speaker 1: And so I dropped back and I looked Paul Krause 719 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 1: was his safety, and I pumped this way to move 720 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,239 Speaker 1: him over a little bit, so he didn't help with 721 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,919 Speaker 1: Nate Wright, who was a cornerback. And so so then 722 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,919 Speaker 1: I turned and throw it and I intentionally threw it short, 723 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,439 Speaker 1: just just kidding. I'm sorry. It really wasn't a good throw. 724 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: I mean, but I threw it as far as I could, 725 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 1: and but you know, when I pumped the crowds, so 726 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: it uh so we were more than fifty yards actually 727 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 1: it was probably about fifty yards when so Drew caught 728 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: it on his hip and just a great catch. I 729 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: mean he's and he you know, he ran in the 730 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,560 Speaker 1: end zone and everybody the place went silent. And then 731 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: there was a there was a a guide that threw 732 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,400 Speaker 1: a bottle out hit the referee in the head and 733 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,760 Speaker 1: so he's kneeling on the ground. The place just went silent, 734 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 1: and we ended up winning the game seventeen to fourteen. 735 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: And it was, you know, a big upset they expected 736 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,279 Speaker 1: to go to the Super Bowl, and so in the 737 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: locker room after the game, the AP rider came up 738 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 1: to me and said, Roger, what were you thinking about 739 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: when you threw the ball? And I said, I closed 740 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: my eyes and said, a hail Mary. And the AP writer, really, 741 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,360 Speaker 1: it's the first time it was ever said. The NFL 742 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: is recognized. It's the only first time it was ever 743 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: said in the NFL, and it wasn't. It was said 744 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,560 Speaker 1: in football actually, and so so Aaron Rodgers is thrown 745 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: some hail mary passes, but not the hail mary pass. 746 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: Doug Flutie's was a hail Mary, but not the hail man. Yeah, 747 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 1: the hail mary was that play to Drew Hereson exactly, 748 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,319 Speaker 1: and I'm proud of it. I was a Catholic kid 749 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,360 Speaker 1: from Cincinnati, and I just I could have said I 750 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: closed my eyes and said and our father or Glory 751 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 1: b or I said, hail Mary. Puzzle's creed would have 752 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:45,439 Speaker 1: been too much, you know. So uh so the AP 753 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 1: writer picked it up, though, I mean he just went 754 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: and you know, you say, hey, hail mary passed wins 755 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,640 Speaker 1: game versus the alley oop with the bomb or the 756 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 1: rest of fry and yeah, and the Viking fan still 757 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: think Drew Pearson pushed off. Oh, of course. I spoke 758 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,480 Speaker 1: at a chamber meeting. We had an office in Minnesota 759 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,279 Speaker 1: when I was in real estate business, and I went 760 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,879 Speaker 1: up there to a chamber meeting. Was about twelve years ago, 761 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: and I got booed speaking at the chamber met They 762 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 1: still are upset about the hill Mary place. Now, did 763 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,719 Speaker 1: did you tell me that after you threw the ball 764 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: you got hit? Like you were on the ground after 765 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 1: we Oh yeah, I got yeah, I got hit. I 766 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,720 Speaker 1: was in the shotgun. Actually, in nineteen seventy five, coach 767 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 1: Landry was a creative guy. We put the shotgun. Nobody 768 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: used the shotguns in the NFL, and they criticized us 769 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:38,279 Speaker 1: for using and we used it on on third down 770 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,080 Speaker 1: and we also in the two minute period, and so 771 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 1: we used the shotgun and uh and it was very 772 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: effective and it was good. I was five yards back 773 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:55,400 Speaker 1: and the you know you can see better and you 774 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: know you're gonna so is what helped me because I 775 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,759 Speaker 1: was able to run from it better. But we were 776 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,160 Speaker 1: the only team that he was using the shotgun formation. 777 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 1: Now everybody they use it all the time all the time, 778 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,960 Speaker 1: and that was coach Landry was very creative on our 779 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 1: for our offense. A lot of things went into that hill. Mary. 780 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,120 Speaker 1: By the way, so when did you know that they 781 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,760 Speaker 1: did the frame by frame uh deal here on the staircase. 782 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,840 Speaker 1: They they called me to take a tour and surprise 783 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,279 Speaker 1: the heck out of me. I couldn't be Yeah, that's awesome. Wow, 784 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: there you go. It's three it's three levels, three levels, 785 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,240 Speaker 1: frame by frame. It's really cool. I ended up counting 786 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 1: them because I did a story on it. The thirty 787 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,279 Speaker 1: six frames. By the way. Wow. So Roger, you've you've 788 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: partnered with with Jerry Jones and former teammate Robert Shaw, 789 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,279 Speaker 1: like he talked about earlier talking about the star out here. Uh, 790 00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: you guys developed a seventeen story luxury residential tower overlooking 791 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,280 Speaker 1: the ninety one acre campus out here. UM. It broke 792 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 1: ground in January of twenty eighteen and opens February of 793 00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,680 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, which is this February. UM it's the first 794 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,440 Speaker 1: high rise building for the city of Frisco. There's one, two, 795 00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,600 Speaker 1: three bedroom floor plans, but all the penthouses already leased out. 796 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,760 Speaker 1: They come with wine refrigerator, smart phone controlled thermostats, Florida 797 00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,840 Speaker 1: Steven Windows, hardwood floors, Cowboys Club membership, Cowboys Fit membership. 798 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,160 Speaker 1: How did everything you know you get? You get a 799 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,560 Speaker 1: discount if you stay in the omni all kind of things. 800 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,080 Speaker 1: There's a list, but I didn't have enough paper. So 801 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 1: how did how did this come? How did this partnership 802 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,320 Speaker 1: come to be? How did he get started? Well, Robert 803 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:28,160 Speaker 1: Charles was is my partner, and he's he's he does 804 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 1: all the heavy lifting and he uh is built some 805 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,920 Speaker 1: marvelous properties in Uptown. Yeah, and the legacy. He was 806 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,120 Speaker 1: the first one, right and and and and when when 807 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,600 Speaker 1: the star happened. Uh I've had a chance to visit 808 00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,040 Speaker 1: with Jerry and he you know, I said, Jerry, I 809 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 1: don't build, but I'm this my company with Robert and 810 00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,839 Speaker 1: we've been together a long time. And he he said, well, 811 00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna build a high rise. But uh, I need 812 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: to have Joe Hickman needs to look into this. Roger, 813 00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:01,840 Speaker 1: I you know, I like you, but I don't know 814 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,120 Speaker 1: you haven't built a whole lot of it. No, I said, no, 815 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,719 Speaker 1: I'm his partner. I've helped on not a whole lot. 816 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,520 Speaker 1: But uh so, Joe Hickman and Robert spend a lot 817 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,520 Speaker 1: of time together. And Joe went and looked at at 818 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,799 Speaker 1: the things that Robert had done, and he came back 819 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,319 Speaker 1: and said, Robert shaw Is uh knows what he's doing. 820 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,480 Speaker 1: And Robert's been in the team that's been been here. 821 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,799 Speaker 1: This is really going to be a neat project. I'm 822 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,680 Speaker 1: really excited about it. Uh, it's seventeen stories. It's a 823 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 1: great project. And and Jerry does uh in. Charlotte's real 824 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: involved too. She she mean, she's really creative and uh 825 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: so there it's it's a family event and we're partners 826 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,319 Speaker 1: with him. We're fifty fifty partners with him. So who 827 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,239 Speaker 1: came up with the twelve? You can see that from 828 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 1: the tollway. It's you don't know, I probably that was 829 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,520 Speaker 1: the the Jones family had to approve that. Oh yeah, 830 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,800 Speaker 1: just a coincidence. Yeah, well just a random number that 831 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,759 Speaker 1: no one ever gets to wear. Yeah, random number. Yeah 832 00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,960 Speaker 1: that that I was, I was. I was surprised about that. 833 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 1: So it does just mean we're going to see more 834 00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:08,080 Speaker 1: of you now after February. Well there's yeah, we we 835 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,680 Speaker 1: come out here quite a bit that you know, this 836 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,000 Speaker 1: whole area of whether it's Frisco plane. O. You know 837 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,759 Speaker 1: you got Salina now prosperous things are going going north. 838 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,200 Speaker 1: And I'm still you know, involved in uh and from 839 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 1: a business standpoint, and I've I've helped jll a little 840 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:26,800 Speaker 1: bit on some you know, we were in real involved 841 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,480 Speaker 1: when uh Toyota moved. Uh they're in a plano down 842 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 1: the street. But it's like five minutes from here. Oh yeah, 843 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,239 Speaker 1: and so uh and then JP Morgan. Uh so I 844 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,120 Speaker 1: I'd like coming out here, and of course being being 845 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 1: here with the star uh is is extra special. So 846 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: you're gonna get you a helicopter like Jerry, Yeah, I 847 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,200 Speaker 1: don't think, or maybe we get him to host this show. 848 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,239 Speaker 1: You know. There we go, not to replace you or anything. Hey, 849 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,960 Speaker 1: I would gladly give up this seat for that. Check 850 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: it out book you an appointment today. Amy Pratt will 851 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: give you a personalized tour of twelve and check it out. 852 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,160 Speaker 1: You can find that online. Um, before we get out 853 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,560 Speaker 1: of here, Mickey, today is a very special day for 854 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,360 Speaker 1: you because not only are we getting to chop it 855 00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 1: up with Roger Stallback, it is your one hundred and 856 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 1: second birthday. Absolutely, I wish you look at that Cake's 857 00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: a look at all those candles. Well, if there were 858 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,759 Speaker 1: real candles, we'd burn this place down, or at least 859 00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 1: the fire alarm would go off. We've got about them. Well, 860 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,400 Speaker 1: thank you guys, welcome, Thank you guys out there. I 861 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,439 Speaker 1: appreciate it. We got about a minute and a half left. 862 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,000 Speaker 1: Thoughts on Cowboys Rams this weekend? What are you looking for? 863 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,360 Speaker 1: What are you expecting? Chris? I'm hoping they put it 864 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,560 Speaker 1: all together. I think they've got the talent to do so. 865 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 1: I know they've got the drive to do so. The 866 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,960 Speaker 1: question is can they outsmart the Rams? Because the Rams 867 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,200 Speaker 1: are the kind of team with Sean McVay running things 868 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,640 Speaker 1: that the offense is getting it together. Yes, and they're 869 00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,719 Speaker 1: really creative and clever. I think if they pass rush 870 00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback golf they have a chance to win that thing. 871 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,600 Speaker 1: But the bottom line will be if they can stop 872 00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,719 Speaker 1: the running game. If you remember, they ran for two 873 00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,080 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy three yards against the Cowboys in that 874 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:09,200 Speaker 1: playoff game. It was an opponent's playoff record, uh and 875 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,120 Speaker 1: since then, the Cowboys have had trouble stopping the run. 876 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,080 Speaker 1: That defense has to play better against the run and 877 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,920 Speaker 1: not let this team fall behind where it takes Ezekiel 878 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,200 Speaker 1: Elliott out of the game in the second half, So 879 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,759 Speaker 1: to me, stopping the run is going to be imperative. 880 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,359 Speaker 1: And guess what, they've kind of got their running game 881 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:33,080 Speaker 1: going these last two games. They discovered Roger that it's 882 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,240 Speaker 1: a good thing to hand the ball to Todd Gurley 883 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,400 Speaker 1: got about thirty seconds, Roger, what you're looking for. The 884 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,719 Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna win this weekend. That's all I got 885 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,719 Speaker 1: to say. You got it, drop the mic and walk off. 886 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: Hail Mary, Hail Mary. Well, guys, this has been more 887 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,680 Speaker 1: hale yes, hell yeah, well, this has been great. Guys. Chris, 888 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,759 Speaker 1: thank you for showing up and being here. This has 889 00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,440 Speaker 1: been awesome. Mickey, thank you for being Thank you, Rodrocus 890 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,720 Speaker 1: has been a great experience. This has been the Happy 891 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,960 Speaker 1: Hour on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network.