1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: It all starts at the grassroots level, So we need 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: to make an impact. And as you said, Peter, like parents, 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: share the content, like talk to people, get involved, you know, 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: don't just sit on the sidelines. That's the best way 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,159 Speaker 1: to impact this. Do what I did and just have 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: a voice. And I know, for me, I can't sit 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: on the sidelines, so you know, I want to be 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: in the game. 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: This is the Reform Sports Project, a podcast about restoring 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sports through 11 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: education and advocacy. 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: AI. 13 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: This is Nick Bonacor from the Reform Sports Podcast. Last week, 14 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: Reform Sports co founder Peter Carlisle joined as the guest 15 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 3: host to celebrate our one hundredth episode. This week, we 16 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: continue with part two of our wide ranging conversation as 17 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 3: Peter and I discussed the moment I realized I was 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 3: contributing to a toxic youth sports culture. Why due diligence 19 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 3: is so important when making informed decisions, and the value 20 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: of implementing change at the grassroots level. 21 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: I think that's the void that Reform Sports Project is 22 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: trying to bill in that, you know, for parents to 23 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: do due diligence and for parents to try to make 24 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: an informed decision, where do you turn? You know, it's like, 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: where is that information? And I think that we have 26 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: decided that, well, there's a benefit to trying to bring 27 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: some of that information together, bring some of the perspectives together, 28 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: so that parents have a you know, easy place to 29 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: find the data, to find the perspectives and the information. 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean, youth sports is also becoming a very expensive endeavor. 31 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: And when you're having to make decisions about travel teams 32 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: and different camps and that sort of thing when your 33 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: child's eight years old, nine years old, and it used 34 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: to be you just you know, you play Little league 35 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: and you play community rec programs and then eventually, you know, 36 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: you progress through the ranks and you know, maybe have 37 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: to spend some money. But now that starts at such 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: a young age that even as it relates to the 39 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: cost of youth sports participation, parents need to make an 40 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: formed decision about that. I mean, it never ceases to 41 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, amaze me when you read about the percentage 42 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: of parents who will say that they are investing in 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: their child's sports with the expectation that it will pay 44 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: off in the form of a college scholarship. And while 45 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: that is wonderful if and when it happens, statistically, it 46 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: is against the odds. And you know, when you are 47 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: thinking about how do I best help my child get 48 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: a college degree, let's say if that's if that's what 49 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: they want. I mean you've said that's one of the 50 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: great benefits of baseball ironically unrelated to baseball, right, and 51 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: I think it you know, to have options when your 52 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: child gets to the age where they know what they 53 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: want to do. There's a financial you know, aspect to 54 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: that that you need to also consider. So uh and unfortunately, 55 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: now you sports is so expensive that it's not just 56 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, decisions about well, is it good for my 57 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: child to specialize? Does he really love this sport? Do 58 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: I want to do this? But it's also what's the 59 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: financial impact in going down that road? And it's hard 60 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: to make an informed decision. So at any rate, I 61 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: think that that's another important component to reform sports project, 62 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: the effort to try to, you know, provide some of 63 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: that information just so parents can consider it when they're 64 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: making these decisions before they get too far down the road. Yeah, 65 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: and not to go too deep into it, but it's 66 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: like you want to talk about one of the most. 67 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: This is so wild to say, but it's like an 68 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: explosive industry. Currently, the youth sports tourism industries as upwards 69 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: of a thirty billion dollar industry. I mean, that's insane. 70 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: You know, we've had some guests on who are in 71 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: the space, who are doing phenomenal work. But I mean, yeah, 72 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: a venture capitalists come into private equity firms. I mean, 73 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: you have money being poured into that invested into this space. 74 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: Why because clearly there's growth to so I'm sure there'll 75 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: be a lot of good to come out of that. 76 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: But it's important for parents to understand, you know, just 77 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: like you wouldn't go and sign up for a five 78 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month car payment with it. Maybe you 79 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: would without doing any due diligence, but generally speaking, you're 80 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: at least going to try to make the most informed decision, 81 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, before opening up your wallet like that. And 82 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's tough, and the difference is unlike if 83 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: you buy a lemon, you know, of a car or 84 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: whatever product it is, you know it's it's kids are resilient, 85 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: but it's a little harder to undo the potential ramifications 86 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: of a lemon program or a Lemon coach that you 87 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: can get. So you just want to be you're dealing 88 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: with with your kid and we all only get one shot. 89 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: And I just think it's important not to get too 90 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: much into the weeds, but you know, try to make 91 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: the most informed decision you can. I feel like we're 92 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: a great asset for that. So Nick with RSP talk 93 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: to us a little bit about how you, you know, 94 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: made the decision to like, I'm going to do this. 95 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: You came up with the name. You sort of took 96 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: a little bit more of a of a deliberate step 97 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 1: in launching that. And this is this is before you know, 98 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: you and I had met. I mean, can you tell 99 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: us a little bit about that. Sure, the name reformed, 100 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, at the time, it was shortly after so 101 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: I'm remarried, you know, we're a blended family. It was 102 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: about a year or so, maybe two or yeah, maybe 103 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: three years after I'd already been through a divorce. And 104 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: anyone who's ever been through a divorce, it's very humbling, 105 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: it's very much not pleasant, and you know all those things. 106 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: So I had there was a very strong amount of 107 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: time for me to do some reflecting, you know, and 108 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: to look at my side of things. You know, the 109 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: name reformed came from I just kind of inventoried where 110 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: I was in life, like how I got here? Where 111 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: am I? Where do I want to go? And this 112 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: was a piece of it. My older kids were very 113 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: much in it. It was a very big piece of 114 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: our life. And I recognized that specific moments of my 115 00:05:55,279 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: coaching my kids, I probably was unreformed. I remember when 116 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: I'll never forget this, dude, this is embarrassing as hell. 117 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: It's kind of funny. You probably won't laugh because I'm 118 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: setting it up around. But I remember, like I swear 119 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: to god, I was walking. I parked my car with 120 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: my kid, and I get out and I remember, you know, 121 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm coaching as I'm wearing the shirt or whatever, and 122 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: I remember walking to the field being like, dude, I 123 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: am the best coach here, like like, and I'm like 124 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: coaching nine year olds. I was one of those knucklehead 125 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: idiots that I can't stand now who is like And 126 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: I say, I can't stand. I was just wrapped up 127 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: in it, like I was. I was getting way too 128 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: much satisfaction and negative feelings when things weren't going well, 129 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: Like I was wrapped up I was consumed by the 130 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: performance of the teams I coached. I was consumed by 131 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: the performance of my kids. I took that as a 132 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: reflection of me as a parent, and after going through 133 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: a divorce and kind of reflecting on my life and 134 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: seeing you know how oxick that was, it really opened 135 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: my eyes so like, oh my god. It was almost 136 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: like I put on another set of glasses and I 137 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 1: can recognize myself in the mirror, like I'm being an idiot, 138 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: and then it was almost like magnified, like oh my god, 139 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: everyone's like this. So I was blinded by it because 140 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: I felt like I was just like everybody else, even 141 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: though I had some history in sports and recognize like 142 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: I got lost in it. And then once I could 143 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: see I was the problem and I was part of 144 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: the problem, I couldn't none see it, and it was 145 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: almost like something in my eye I couldn't get out, 146 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: and I needed to just I used to work in finance, 147 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: and there's a dude named Downtown Josh Brown who has 148 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: a big blog. He's the Reformed Broker. I don't know, 149 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: you probably know him if you follow And I thought 150 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: the name, I'm like, god, reform reform sports, like that's 151 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: where that's honestly the inspiration for the name of Reform. 152 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: I just thought that was catchy and it at the time, 153 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: it just made sense, and I had absolutely no expectations 154 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: of what it was going to do. I just knew 155 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: that It's like who was seeing the movie Tombstone when 156 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: Kurt Russell's like, you know, the Hell's coming with me, right, 157 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: He's screaming like I'm gonna you know, he's going crazy. 158 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: I was going to take down the Cowboys. And that's 159 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: how I felt like. I felt like I'm going to 160 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: burn this freaking thing down. Like I was so pissed 161 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: about what I was seeing, what was being extracted from it, 162 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: and I felt like I needed to be a voice. 163 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: So what did you do? How did you address that? 164 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: So I just started going online like I mentioned in 165 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: the beginning, and just putting out, you know, posts on Facebook. 166 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: Like I remember. The first thing I did was tell 167 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: a story about how I went fourteen years old. I 168 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: went to Cuba before a was do like some church 169 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: or whatever. I freak exact. It was an all star 170 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: team that was put together in Waterbury, Connecticut, and we 171 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: went to Cuba to play baseball against Cubans for two 172 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: weeks and we went down there. And this is in 173 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: like ninety three or ninety four, and I'll never forget. 174 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: First of all, we got our ass pick the whole time, 175 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: and they exposed me to how you know, it's a 176 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: third world country. You know, it was just I've never 177 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: seen anything like it. And some beautiful places, I mean beautiful, 178 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: but like right next to it, like the most extreme 179 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: poverty you've ever seen. And we're playing against these kids. 180 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: And they got holes in their cleats. Their bats are 181 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: like twenty years older than what we have. They got dents, 182 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: they got chipped. It was like nineteen thirty highlights where 183 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: they leave their gloves out there and like they would 184 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: ship And here we are. Now. We weren't rich, like 185 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: we were just a blue cup. We just happened to 186 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: go down there on this like you know, fellowship trip 187 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: or whatever. But I felt like we were these rich Americans. 188 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: We have nice bats, we have the easton the TPX 189 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: like the newest models or whatever. And we all had 190 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: our own gloves. And after each game we were giving 191 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: out like you know, we'd give them like a goodie 192 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: bag that would have like hygiene things in them and 193 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: you know all these things, but they kicked the shit 194 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: out of us part of my language, but they did. 195 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: And I was catching. I'll never forget this. I was 196 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: catching and a kid hit a home lin. We're playing 197 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: on big league ballparks. I mean, there's ten thousand people 198 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: at these games. The whole city shut down, everywhere we went. 199 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,079 Speaker 1: I mean it was unbelievable. Never experienced anything like in 200 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: my life. It hits a home run, I mean, four 201 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: hundred feet, fourteen years old, and I'm catching, and I 202 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: stand there and I pick the bat up and I'm 203 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: looking at it and it was dented, dented, chips this, 204 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean it had to be like fifteen years old. 205 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: And it made me think, like, it doesn't matter what 206 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: the equipment is, like, it has no impact. So you ask, 207 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: what did I do? I told that story on a 208 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: post how I walk around baseball fields today and ten 209 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: year olds have a backpack with like who brand of equipment, 210 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: three different bats, the four hundred dollars glove. And it 211 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: was like, man, I'm like this this sport. Baseball is 212 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: a country club sport. It's a rich kids sport. Now 213 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: it's what has turned into and that I started telling 214 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: those stories those little like posts on Facebook and. 215 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 4: People are like, oh, you know, people got mad, you know, 216 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 4: people like who I'm friends with with, like they thought 217 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 4: I was talking to them like, you know, kids don't 218 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 4: need this, and they took it personally. 219 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: That's when I knew, like I got them. I got them. 220 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: This is something like there's something here Because I'm not 221 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: even directing this anyone. I'm just speaking my mind. I'm 222 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: pissing people off, like people I know are unfriending me. 223 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh man, this is great. I loved it 224 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: because it just it was almost like it like I 225 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: mentioned before, it made me feel like these feelings I'm 226 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: having are real and I recognized them, and I was 227 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: going to be unrelenting with pursuing whatever it was. But 228 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep You're not going to shut me up. 229 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: That was what it was. So you know, as you 230 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: progress beyond that, you started to talk to athletes and coaches. Right, 231 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: I mean this is pre podcast, cause I think you 232 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: and I were connected after you've spoken to Bob Bowman. Maybe, 233 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: is that right? Correct? How did you get from posting 234 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: your own experiences and pissing people off to then getting 235 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: the perspective and actually connecting with these world class coaches 236 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: and athletes. So I have a background in sales and marketing, 237 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, so I've learned a lot of things through that, 238 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: and I like to think I'm pretty good at certain things. 239 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: So I knew, like I need to strike where I 240 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: know I can speak. First of all, let's cut the shit, 241 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: like everyone, I don't care who you are. People want 242 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: to hear how great they were, especially if it's twenty 243 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: years ago. They want to know like, oh, this person 244 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: thinks I'm great. So I was like, all right, I'm 245 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: just going to talk to people I know who are 246 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: very good athletes, who people in this certain circle know 247 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: are good. And I'm going to just get them to 248 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: talk to me because they're a friend, and I'm gonna 249 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure that they share it on their 250 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: platform too. That was my thought. And then I'm going 251 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: to leverage every single one of these conversations I have 252 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: and get them to open me up to their network. 253 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: That was my thought. I'm like, I'm going to talk 254 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: to this one and I'm going to so to me. 255 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: It was like and I wouldn't say this, I'm going 256 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: to say it to you, but it was almost like Okay, 257 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell your story. I'm going to stroke 258 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: your ego, which is legitimate, but in return, and I'm 259 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: gonna blast it out there on this minuscule platform I have, 260 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: but in return, I'm gonna also pepper you to open 261 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: up your network. Right, And I knew it was a 262 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: topic that they felt comfortable. So I started with people 263 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: that I knew intimately. Mike Fox, who you know, coached 264 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: at North Carolina for twenty plushys. He was my coach 265 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: in North Carolina. Wesleyan great guy, but I mean he's 266 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: a legend, right, And you know, so I was able 267 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: to leverage some relationships that I have and use their 268 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: names because they knew me, they trusted me, and they 269 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: were supporting me, and that really helped it. So I 270 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: connected with you through Seth Pepper, my brother in law. Right. 271 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: He swam for Frank Bush at University of Arizona. Right, 272 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: So Frank, uh, you know, Seth talked to him about 273 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: what I was, you know, doing, and Fank's like, oh, 274 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: you know USA swimming, and you know, he advocated. I 275 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: got to speak with him, and then you know, I 276 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: wanted to My whole thing was I thought this was 277 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: a mental health issue. I thought what was going on 278 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: was a mental health issue. And all I did was 279 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: see because my kids were really young, my younger ones 280 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 1: were really young at that time, and on this kids show, 281 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: there would always be a commercial of Michael Phelps sitting 282 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: in this pool talking about mental health. And I was like, 283 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: this is a mental health issue. I gotta talk to him. 284 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: I gotta get Phelps to come on. He's this is 285 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: He'll get it. He'll get it, He'll get it. Anyway, 286 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: So Steth talked to Frank. I talked to Frank and 287 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: then I said, I want to talk to Phelps, and 288 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: he goes, well, let's start with coach Bowman. And I 289 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: had no idea who Bob Bowman. Was never heard of 290 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: in my life. I never followed swimming outside of Michael 291 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: Phelps in my life. I'd sent Bob Bowman a message 292 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: on Twitter. Yeah, I love to talk, I said. I 293 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: interviewed Frank Bush, I'd love to Oh, I'd love to 294 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: talk to you. Next thing I know, I'm interviewing you know, 295 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: Bob Bowman, which you know is funny because I say 296 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: this now. He's a freaking legend too. But at the time, 297 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: I had actually no I it's almost like that saying 298 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: ignorance is bliss. I didn't know who the hell he was, 299 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: and he couldn't have been more awesome. And then all 300 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I'm talking and I said, all right, 301 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: coach Bowman, I got to talk to I want to 302 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: talk to Phelps Man. Give me his number. He's the 303 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: only way you could talk to him is through Peter Carlisle. 304 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, give me that dude's number. 305 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: So he sent me your email or whatever, and I 306 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: remember I emailed you and text you. You didn't respond 307 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: to my text. I remember this shit like it was yesterday. 308 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: And then after like three or four emails, you finally 309 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: responded to me. I swear to God, don't take this 310 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: the wrong way. And as soon as you responded to 311 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: me instead to me, I see it too. All I 312 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: remember saying is I have seen this as well. I 313 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: have kids, and Yahdiah, I was like, oh, I got this, dude, 314 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: I got them. And of course I still have an 315 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: interview with Michael Phelpschez, so I don't know how much 316 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: I've got them. But after about three years of having 317 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: multiple conversations, and I'm glad that you didn't have me arrested. 318 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: Several times, you did threaten to block me. To be clear, 319 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: I threatened you with a temporary restraining order. Yeah, probably, 320 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: yes you should have. But either way that would make 321 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: me stop harassing you for like a day or two, 322 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: and then I would come back and I'd apologize, I'm 323 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: very sorry, I'm emotional about this. And then but finally, 324 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: then we had a few calls and finally, you know 325 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: you guys were like, man, you know you're in. So 326 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: the point is this only happens if I'm an athlete. 327 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: I learned how to compete. I learned how to not 328 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: take no for an answer. I have relationships with people, 329 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: and you know, here we are when we come back. 330 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: Peter and I discussed the importance of forming youth sports 331 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: at the youth level. Where we left off, Peter and 332 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: I were about to talk about the value of sharing 333 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: reform sports resources with your local communities and the importance 334 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: of parents and coaches understanding their power to implement positive change. 335 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: I think we've made great progress over the past couple 336 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: of years, but I mean, so far to go, and 337 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: the reality is, like, we really can't change much unless 338 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: you have that mentality and so at any rate, I 339 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: I your persistence and drive and salesmanship certainly convinced me 340 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: and my team that, like, okay, we can make a difference. 341 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: And you know, and I think I think we have. 342 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: And you know now, of course, Reform Sports Project. It's 343 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: a podcast, it's a blog, it's a newsletter. I mean 344 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: talk about you know, how it's expanded and where it's 345 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: going and some of the things that you're most excited 346 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: about in terms of the coming year. Well, I'm really excited. 347 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, like you said, we have 348 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: the podcast, the blog, which we're I think we're coming 349 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: up on like one hundred blogs, which is amazing. The newsletter. 350 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: You know, I encourage everyone to go out there and 351 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: sign up for the newsletter. We do a great job 352 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: and it's just keeping people informed, building this network. And 353 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: then we also have other things coming on the pipeline. 354 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: I mean, we have long format tie blogs coming out. 355 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how much in the weeds I can 356 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: get into this, but there's a lot of other pieces, 357 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: many other pieces of content that are coming. The most 358 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: exciting piece for me is how new the space is, 359 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: how unorganized this industry, how in my opinion, we are 360 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: the leader in the space, and we're certainly coming to 361 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: be the leader. I think this industry and people are 362 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: in desperate need of high quality content, of high quality 363 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: information and direction to help them make the most informed decision. 364 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: And what I see as doing is being the place 365 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: that people go, parents, coaches, at wherever for an all 366 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: encompassing If I need to hear what Dabo Sweeney says 367 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: about this, if I need to hear what whoever says 368 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: about this, I need some perspective on, you know, mental health. 369 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: I'm a coach and I'm having a kid come to 370 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: me with this problem. Well, let me click on the 371 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: Reform Sports Mental health piece and let me hear feedback 372 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: from XYZ coaches, oh, so and so athlete who has 373 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: been there before. I'm a parent. I don't know how 374 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: to navigate this. I got to buck the trend. And 375 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: my kid wants to play basketball, but he's being pressured 376 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: to do this year round. Well, let me go to 377 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: the Reform Sports website and click on the multi sport 378 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: piece and let me listen to what these experts have 379 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: to say and why it's so important too. And again 380 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: it's arming them. Right, You're not going to show up 381 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: to a fight with no weapons, So you want to 382 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: show up with as many tools as in your tool belt. 383 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: And what I see for Reform Sports Project Reform Sports 384 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 1: is I want to be the entire freaking tool like 385 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: we are everything, and I think that we do it 386 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: in the most unique way. I think that we have 387 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: the most enthusiasm. I think we have the best team, 388 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: and you know, I think there's a there's certainly a need, 389 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: and we have unbelievable listeners and readers and advocates. It's 390 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: like a small army being. But I can't tell you 391 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: how many messages I get every day from all over 392 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: the country thank you for what you're doing. You know, 393 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: we try to get back to everybody, but just keep 394 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: aligning with us, because I could promise you that the 395 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: impacts being made and it's going to continue to grow. Yeah, 396 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: I think you've said it a few times. You know, 397 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: it's about making an informed decision. And while it may 398 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: have started with parents, it's all part of this really 399 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: large system and with a lot of commercial interest, and 400 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: it's very difficult, you know, to get the information and 401 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: to make those good decisions. And I think that much 402 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: of the first phase of RSP was highlighting the problem, 403 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: and you've talked a lot about it, and you've done 404 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: an amazing job doing that, and I feel that now 405 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: people are talking more about it. I mean, I know 406 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: that I have I have parents and coaches that are 407 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: expressing frustration. But you know, what's the solution, what's the guidance? Right? 408 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: And there are you know, there are policy changes that 409 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: ought to be considered. And I think that when we're 410 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: talking about informed decisions, we're now talking not just to parents, 411 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: but to coaches, to the folks that are running the 412 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: private teams, to school administrators, to city government. I mean, 413 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: these are the stakeholders in youth sports and I think that, 414 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, our hope is that we can provide some perspectives, 415 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: some tools, some data for them to use, and that 416 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: that will change things, even at a grassroots level. And 417 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: I would just say that to encourage your audience, Nick 418 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: and the RSP community to lean on Reform Sports for 419 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: that information, to let us know what would be helpful 420 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: to them, and then also to try to promote the 421 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: movement within their communities right at the local level, because 422 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: so many of the decisions and so many of the 423 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: pressures that kids, parents, coaches, administrators are under they happen 424 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: at the grassroots level, and so you know, if we 425 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: assemble all of this information and these resources, we need 426 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: your audience's help to implement them and distribute them to 427 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: the local community. So hopefully that network really continues to strengthen. 428 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: Don't ever underestimate parents, especially, like I always say, like 429 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: we parents, we control the whole thing. You know, we're 430 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: the consumers. You know, our children are the business. You 431 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it's a thirty billion dollar industry. Well, 432 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: like it's built off of the backs of kids. And 433 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: I think it's important for people to understand, like there's 434 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: a lot of responsibility as businesses when you are dealing 435 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: with the physical and emotional well being of kids. So 436 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: you talk about what's the solution, you know, I used 437 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: to say, and I still kind of lead it. I 438 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: don't know if there is a all in one like 439 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: Hill that is going to clean it up. You're dealing 440 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: with kids and I have six kids, right, Each one 441 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: of them is different. They ying here, they yang here, 442 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: they have different buttons. They got to be pushed to 443 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: get them to respond. So on a grand scale, what 444 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: does that look like? You know, Coaches don't ever underestimate 445 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: the impact you have. You know, more importantly, the responsibility. 446 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: And that's what parents need to understand. Like it's not 447 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: just sign my kids up for sports, it signed my 448 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: kids up. I'm committing to this agreement. There's contracts written up, 449 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: You're paying fees, like your traveling commitments, uniform commitments, whatever 450 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: it is. It's like arm yourself with the information. And 451 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, it sounds 452 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: so cliche, but like I think it's all about just 453 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: making sure you're trying to look out. It's tough think 454 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: about it. I mean, as an adult, you're trying to 455 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: make a living, but sometimes the best way to make 456 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: a living is to always look out for the best 457 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: interests of your of your customers, of your consumers. So 458 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, don't put your own wellbeing as an organization 459 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: to first put your kids that you coach interest first, 460 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 1: and that's probably the best way to get the best results. 461 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: And does that mean legislation? Does that mean governance from 462 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: you know, the government. I have no idea, but that 463 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: stuff's being talked about. I don't know if that's right, wrong, 464 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: or indifferent, But I think the more money that continues 465 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: to be poured into it. There's probably going to be 466 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: more regulation of some sort trickling down. It seems to be, 467 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, from the college ranks and coming down nil 468 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: and all these things. There's like a trickle down effect. 469 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: But like you mentioned, the grassroots piece of it, it 470 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: all starts there. It all starts at the grassroots level. 471 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: So we need to make an impact. And as you said, Peter, 472 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: like parents, share the content, like talk to people, get involved, 473 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: you know, don't just sit on the sidelines. That's the 474 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: best way to impact is do what I did and 475 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 1: just have a voice. And you know, I know for me, 476 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: I can't sit on the sidelines, so you know, I 477 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: want to be in the game. Well, I think that's 478 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,239 Speaker 1: why it's important to hear your storing it because if 479 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: you look at what RSP has become just because of 480 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: your efforts to get the message out. If you now 481 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: look at your your community that you've built, this audience 482 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: of yours, if that audience starts to do what you've done, 483 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: then this thing can really make a difference. And that's 484 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: how you're going to change the system. That's how you're 485 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: going to improve the culture and and restore sports. So 486 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: You're doing great work, Nick, keep it up. Thanks so 487 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: much for taking the time to chat with us about 488 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: your background today, and again, congrats on the one hundredth episode, 489 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: and a big thanks to your audience and the whole 490 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: Reform Sports community. Well, I appreciate it and thank you. 491 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: I want to give not only a shout out to 492 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: the audience and everyone listens, but also to to you, 493 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: Peter and Brooke and you know, Megan and Drew and 494 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: Ben and everyone at Octagon, Amanda, Jason, everyone that's that's 495 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: partnered up and helped listen. One hundred episodes is amazing. 496 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: But you know certainly wouldn't be here without without all 497 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: of you and and uh supporting and so thank you 498 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: very much too. Thanks for joining us for part two 499 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: of our one hundredth episode. 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