1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,119 Speaker 1: Legal disclaimer. Okay, it's actually me, not the legal disclaiming 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: guy from Medical advert. We just wanted to mention that 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: both of our guests today are members of you a W, 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: but they do not speak on behalf of you a W. Okay, 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: enjoy the podcast. It could happen here. It's it's it's 6 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: this podcast. It's podcast. We're doing a podcast. It's a podcast, 7 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: and today it's podcast with me. I'm James, and I'm 8 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: joined by Chris and I've joined by a couple of 9 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: grad students from you See San Diego. Today we're going 10 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 1: to talk about grad students strikes. Were going to talk 11 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: about the grad student strike Volk that's coming up at 12 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: you See San Diego and some other grad students strikes 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: that Chris and I have been part of back in 14 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: the Middle Ages. Okay, so I'm joined today. But Alex, Alex, 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: you're you're you're studying I'm trying to get this correct 16 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: cancer genomics a U C s D. Is that correct? 17 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: That is correct? Thanks for having me. Yeah, you're welcome. 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: And Tyler Bell as well. And Tyler you're a post 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: doc and you're doing Outzheimer's research, right, yes, and you're 20 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: both members of u a W. Yes, that's correct. I've 21 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: been a member for at least two years. But yeah, 22 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: and I'm a member of the actual the subset of 23 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: U a W that just formed representing student researchers in 24 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: completing their PhDs. So we'll explain all the details of that, 25 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: of course, start going forward. Yeah, I think maybe we 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: should start there and explain kind of the economic relationship 27 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: of PhD and post doc students to the university, like 28 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: what what work they do. And as we were talking 29 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: about beforehand, people might not even be familiar with the 30 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: fact that you get paid by the university in many 31 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: of these positions, right, So can you explain that how 32 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,919 Speaker 1: that works? Yeah, definitely. So Yeah, as you mentioned, UM, 33 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: we do UH in our various roles as graduate students, UH, 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: teachers and post docs, we do a lot of work, 35 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: majority of the work in fact, that is critical for 36 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: the university to function as it does UM, and we 37 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: do that in a few different roles. Some of us 38 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 1: are paid to teach or t A classes. We call 39 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 1: those academic student employees who are represented by one of 40 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: our unions U a W T eight six five. The 41 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: rander of PhD students are actually paid directly to do 42 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: their research, and this is usually funded up of grants 43 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: or other money that the university has your march for research. 44 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: So as we are progressing towards our degrees, we are 45 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: doing work that is productive in our labs to get 46 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: papers out, get grant funding coming in, and we receive 47 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 1: a stipend to perform that work. Those students are known 48 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: as graduate student researchers or gsrs, who are represented by 49 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: a new union that just formed because it actually they 50 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: became recently legal to form such a union in the 51 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: state of California. We are represented by s are you 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: bargaining for our first contract? And then we have the 53 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: post docs, which Tyler can probably talk more about, who 54 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: are students who have completed their I'm sorry I should 55 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: were really clarified here. Not students they are. They are 56 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: employees of the university who have completed their degree so 57 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: are no longer students and arguing research work in labs, 58 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: usually dragging their own projects forward under supervision of professors. 59 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: So they are represented by a third union that's part 60 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: of this sort of collective um organizing called U A 61 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: w f G A ten. Well, you have postox unions, yeah, 62 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: that's so cool. I think the one here that you 63 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: see is actually the biggest and one of the first 64 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: ones that formed. UM. I remember I was on a 65 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: Wikipedia page, which I shouldn't use as an academic, but 66 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: I totally saw us on there, and I was like, yeah, 67 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: and I think it's it's ascinating because if there are 68 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: all these like memes that you'll see as a graduate student, 69 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: and then it's like when you finish your PhD, where 70 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: it's like you always think that you're going to get 71 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: off the like the grind, right, Like you're like, oh, 72 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: I'll do my m A and then I'll get off, 73 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: and then I'll do my pH d and then people 74 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: respect me and I'll be compensated for a massive amount 75 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: of work I do, and then like I'll just finish 76 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: this post doc and then you're like, oh, I'm fifty five, 77 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: you know. Like it's all of those positions are heavily 78 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: exploited by by universities that make a metric ship tourn 79 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: of money from these people, who, as you say, do 80 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: most of the work that keeps a university running. So 81 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: perhaps we could talk about the issues that are at 82 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: State that that are leading to this this strike authorization 83 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: vote and maybe if we go through a little bit 84 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: of a timeline as well, that would be great. Yes, 85 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: maybe tell them, maybe you could like explain the fifty 86 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: ten timeline and I can talk a little bit about this, 87 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: are you and I guess kind of TwixT a five 88 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: point Yeah. So chronologically the POSTALC we're up for their 89 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: contract negotiation, which that's just to set our wages, benefits 90 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: and workplace safety and other types of protections we want 91 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: UM and that actually came up they think in September 92 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: of UM, and I could be wrong with the date specifically. 93 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: So much has changed. But we initially back in UM 94 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: started actually asking people what they wanted to see in 95 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: their new contract, like our members, because the union isn't 96 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: like like I if I didn't care about the union 97 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: or no one else care to what exist like, it's 98 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: the post docs and we have to take out like 99 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: a couple of hours a week to do this thing, 100 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: and sometimes it's twenty hours on top of our research 101 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: which is forty hours. And so during that time we surveyed, 102 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: everyone got the demands that people wanted, and the top 103 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: two issues that people asked for that they want it 104 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: changed was our wages, and also the housing. Um, we 105 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: want it affordable housing because right now, um, you know, 106 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: over of academic workers, including the post docs who you 107 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: would think, you know, you have a PhD, this is 108 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: the time you can finally have affordable housing and you 109 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about food scarcity and all these 110 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: other things that you're worried about as a graduate student. 111 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: So just take this in the context of like we're 112 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: post docs, we're supposed to be like the most paid 113 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: or at least a better off because we have our PhD. 114 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: Think about like what that means for the graduate students 115 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: and those that aren't yet at that stage yet. Um. 116 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: And so when we went forward with our proposals, we 117 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 1: um create a lot of other things that we thought 118 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: were important, including things like transit UM bargaining demands to 119 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: make public transit like affordable for post docs because currently 120 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: we don't get any kind of like free paths for that. 121 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: They don't even consider it um. In fact, you know, 122 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: they probably think we all have cars, which isn't true 123 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: because a lot of post docs are international scholars. We 124 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: were also asking for child care support because currently, like 125 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: a good bit of you know, our post docs have children. UM, 126 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: which is normal because this is a normal like family 127 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: creation time or whatever you wanna call it, but UM, 128 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: and indeed it can be one of the only times 129 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: as an academic when it when it really sort of 130 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: doesn't massively to had voluntege your career to have stuff 131 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: right exactly. And like post docs, like the whole proposition 132 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: of a post doc was, you know, there's not enough 133 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: faculty spots for once you get a PhD, and post 134 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: docs now can last five if not longer, like five 135 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: years or longer. And there's a new position called an 136 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: academic researcher, which is a type of like title that 137 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: you get when you can no longer be a post doc. 138 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: But it's also because there's just not enough faculty, so 139 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: they put you into a different title to do research. 140 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: And UM collectively, both US post docs and people that 141 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: are academic researchers, we don't get any affordable childcare, we 142 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: don't have affordable housing UM, and our wages are below 143 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: the cost of living. And currently we went through the 144 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: proposals back then and we over time a year and 145 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: a half have not really made any leeway on these 146 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: proposals that actually changed the material conditions for post post docs. 147 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: Like the university has been you know, bargaining in bad faith. 148 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: That we have multiple UM unfair UM labor practice lawsuits 149 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: against from our public relations board for the employers UM 150 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: and three of those have been UM sorry, let me 151 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: get those numbers right. Multiple of those have actually been 152 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: successfully had complaints filed against the university. Some of the 153 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: things that the university has done in particularly while we've 154 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: been bargaining is one not bringing the information to the 155 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: table that we request, like denying our request for information. 156 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: They have also refused to bring the people that can 157 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 1: make the type of decisions that we need to the table. 158 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: And they've all also been making unilateral changes to things 159 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: like bullying policies and other workplace issues without even being 160 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: at the bargaining table. And the last thing that they've 161 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: been doing during this process is serving members of our 162 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: union outside of like the bargaining process, like we we 163 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: don't know about it. I mean, we did find out 164 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: about it, and then we followed the UM UH the 165 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: complaint and so right now we're at a point where 166 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: we've gotten a lot of things, you know, kind of 167 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: like moved on in terms of things that aren't compensation, 168 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: in terms of our bargaining UM like things that we 169 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: want such as bullying protections. That was something that we 170 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: actually had to like have a big action for to 171 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: actually get that on the table to move. So currently 172 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: we won protections against bullying, which is kind of like 173 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: pretty enormous because in academia, university says we're against bullying 174 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: and that they have all these resources for you, but 175 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: through resources always end at we're right, you're wrong. And UM. 176 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: Now we have something in our contracts, not just for 177 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: that post docs and acondic researchers, but also for UM 178 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: the other bargaining units to actually protect us UM in 179 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: a process that like we could grieve it as you know, 180 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: UNI represented workers UM. And so right now, the reason 181 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: that we had to authorize the strike, especially for our 182 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: group as post docs and academic researchers, because they started 183 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: bargaining kind of like maybe UM further along in that 184 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: year with US, but they are kind of at the 185 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: same place of like not getting the same type of 186 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: responses and UM we just want them to actually come 187 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: to the table, bring the people that can make the 188 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: decisions so that we can have you know, affordable housing, 189 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: fair wages to actually do the research that we do here. 190 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: And I just want to say that we bring a 191 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: lot of value to the university through grants, in particular 192 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: as post talks. So we do most of the writing 193 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: of research papers, conducting the experiments. UM. People think that 194 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: if people think that faculties sit there and run a 195 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: wet lab and actually do the you know, the work 196 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: of the wet labs. UM. You know, that would be 197 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: an amazing colquitty person, But they're really busy in terms 198 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: of like having to write grants themselves. We do the 199 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: bulk of the work and actually making the research happen. UM. 200 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: We do a bulk of the training in terms of 201 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: the graduate students and the undergrads that are in the lab, 202 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: and so we provide an enormous value to the university. 203 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: But at the same time, while we provide these values, UM, 204 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: the university doesn't want to give us a fair living 205 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: condition or affordable housing. And the last thing I'll say, 206 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: and I'll let Alex talk about the other units, UM, 207 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: is that you know, we bring a ton of value 208 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: to the university because of the grants, and for every 209 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: hundred dollars of that grant that is UM given to 210 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: the university, the university charges things like the n I 211 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: H you know, um, you know, fifty eight dollars and indirects. 212 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: So this is a ghost money that we don't know 213 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: where it goes. Our pis don't get to have a 214 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: say over. And that's money that usually goes to things 215 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: that capital projects that could go back to keeping you know, um, 216 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: the post docs actually living in uh an Okay living situation. 217 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: Can we just explain what capital projects are? So capital 218 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: projects are things like you know, um, planning out building 219 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: buildings that they want and other things things that aren't 220 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: really like compensation based or employee based, you know, because 221 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: the university, like you see as the biggest landowner and 222 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: so they obviously we want more and more things that 223 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: they can develop or lands that they can buy um, 224 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 1: and that's kind of what they kind of focus many 225 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: of these indirects on. And I really don't know the 226 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: clear picture on indirects, and that's kind of the problem 227 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: is that we don't know where all this money kind 228 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: of goes. It's they if people. Obviously lots of our 229 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: listeners are in San Diego. The scale of construction at 230 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: UCSD is incredible, Like I've been here for fifteen years 231 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: now and I swear every time I go back there's 232 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: a new building like and they can terms of student housing, 233 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: it's really old student housing. I think that they've built. 234 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, and if I can jump in about one 235 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: of those, which relates a lot to why graduate students 236 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: have become more active on this campus. Um, three or 237 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: four of those extraordinarily large buildings you're talking about, we're 238 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: actually intended to be built as subsidized graduate student housing, 239 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: where you would be you know, you get on a 240 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: wait list, you're guaranteed once you get off the way, 241 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: which you can live there for two years and pay 242 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: below market rent. Um. That lasted for a little bit 243 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: of time, but the university just a couple of years 244 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: ago or so almost doubled um the price for those units. 245 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: They tried to hide it behind saying that their capacity 246 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: city increases. But um, what they're saying is for the 247 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: same prices before, you can live with two people in 248 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: a very small square footage studio apartment. UM. But really 249 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: that studio is now just double UM. So that is 250 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: one of the things, certainly that we are concerned about, 251 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: is that, Yeah, money, what significant portion university's budget does 252 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: go into these capital improvement projects. Which are nominally intended 253 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: for student and UH and postdoc benefit um, but which 254 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: tend to come back and and and not be quite 255 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: as helpful in the long run. Yeah, I mean it 256 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: seems like they're just doing real estate speculation and then 257 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: doing rent extraction from it, which, yeah, and this is 258 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: something they've done, Like they did this. There's a very 259 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: very similar thing in what like two thousand nine, like 260 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: like again, like they built what I built into your building. 261 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: It was affordable for a short period of time and 262 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: then it suddenly became completely unaffordable. And like they've really 263 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: consistently extracted rent from the people that they are under paying. Yeah, 264 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: and those buildings were actually this this incident even got 265 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: lot of faculty on our side because those buildings were 266 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: a major um draw for how we were able to 267 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: recruit new people to come and do research with us. 268 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: As we were saying, yeah, the cost living here is 269 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: really high. You're not going to get a huge stipend 270 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: or salary, but we do have the subsurdised housing and 271 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: people had actually already committed to do their PhD here 272 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: in labs of the university, and then the rent increase 273 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: came out that April or May and people said well no, 274 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: and then they a bunch of people decommitted from programs, 275 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: So it was it was a significant issue here, but 276 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: they have not backed off of that. And the problem 277 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: with like the university being one of the biggest landlords 278 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: is that when they increase the rents for these even 279 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: ground housing, it affects everyone else. So like prices, like 280 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: my current rent, I live maybe a mile away from campus. 281 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: My rent was seventeen hundred, which was eating up most 282 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: of my income anyway, and it went up to and 283 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: you know, this is directly tied to like the university 284 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: setting a higher market rate UM, which then allows them 285 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: to hurt everyone else that lives you know, not just 286 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: in around UCSD, but also in San Diego generally. Yeah. 287 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: One of the big things about UM that we're trying 288 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: to get the university to understand, and one of the 289 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: reasons I'm proud of the demands that we're making UH 290 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: in this round of bargaining is is the effect we 291 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: have on the local economy and of people who aren't 292 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: even affiliated with the university have their lives affected based 293 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: on the rent and based on the cost of things 294 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: because of the economic footprint that we have And as 295 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: how we mentioned one of our demands is um uh 296 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: some more subsidized transit passes. The university already subsidizes. It's 297 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: a significant amount of transit, but it's not enough, and 298 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: it's not enough to actually really make a difference in 299 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: terms of emissions in our region. So we're trying to 300 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: raise both our own working conditions as well as as 301 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: make meaningful changes in the university's impact in the region. 302 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: And in response to that, the university released in part 303 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: a very funny statement the other day that accused us 304 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: and used transit as an example, accused us of having 305 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: a quote social justice agenda. So I wasn't quite sure 306 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: if the university or um Rond de Santis wrote that 307 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: particular release, but it was it was quite funny, you know, Okay, 308 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: Like the more thinking about this, right, this is a 309 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: public university. Why are they even charging rent? They own 310 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: the land, right, why are they even charging rent in 311 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: the first place? Like what what is oh my god? Like, well, 312 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: it's just the the housing example I brought up was 313 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: funded through what they very proudly refer to as a 314 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: public private partnership. So that's where the money is going. Yeah, 315 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: oh great, it's going to investors. And recently for the 316 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: post docs, their solution to our housing crisis was they 317 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: obtained some building in downtown San Diego, which is, you know, 318 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: twelve or more miles away from campus, and the building 319 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: starts at like rent of three thousand dollars or more. 320 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: But like I said, building, yeah, with the one with 321 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: the creepy bed in the closet that comes out and 322 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: kills your cat. But know what it has like a 323 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: closet that folds out. Okay, is that their extent to downtown. Yeah. 324 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: I've been trying to p R A and a bunch 325 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: of stuff about that building and they've been quite reticent 326 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: to hand it over and toddly so addle. Is there 327 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: any more contexts you wanted to add from your side 328 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: about like is about sort of what is driving people 329 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: to to ask for a strike authorization vote? Yeah, definitely. 330 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: I mean, our concerns as graduate students are certainly very 331 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: similar to a lot of the concerns that postdoctoral students have, 332 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: except that we make even less money than they do. 333 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: So certainly UH urgent on the compensation side, our units 334 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: are demanding a minimum UH graduate student stipend, a fifty 335 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: four thousand dollars a year UM, whereas uh, none of 336 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: us make more than thirty three or thirty four right now, 337 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: and that's very dependent on the program and very dependent 338 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: on your source of funding, so most make quite less 339 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: than that. UM. We also of a number of other 340 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 1: issues that have come up and cause problems for students 341 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: that we want to be able to have a union 342 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: in order to rectify. I mentioned that UM our Student 343 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: Researchers United Union. It actually knew we're bargaining for our 344 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: first contract, and we think we're going to be able 345 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: to get a lot of practical benefits out of that, 346 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: not just UM, you know, in terms of a contract, 347 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: but actually something where we can have some parody and 348 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: and some for some some some organization to come to 349 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: back for us when the university creates issues. For example, Uh, 350 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: the university has known this for a long time. But 351 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: the payroll system that manages graduate students stipends and fellowships 352 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: and and and and to stipend disbursements is a bit 353 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 1: unreliable for reasons that they can't quite explain. Boy, when 354 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: so I wasn't I wasn't a grad student, but I 355 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: was an undergrad when our Chicago's grad students went on 356 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: strike and that was a big thing of like people 357 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: like people would get paid in the university would sometimes 358 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: they they wouldn't get paid enough, it wouldn't get paid 359 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: at all. There was another time where they actually get 360 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: overpaid and the university wouldn't tell them and then they 361 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: just take all the money out of their bank account 362 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: and catastrophe. Yeah. Is it similar things here? Very much? So? Yeah, yeah, 363 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: there is at least My personal story with this is 364 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 1: um uh pretty much ever since so, I applied for 365 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: and received an H individual fellowship. For all the other 366 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: nerds out there, I got. It's an firty one in 367 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: i H fellowship. But essentially what that says is the 368 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: n i H likes my research proposal and they are 369 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: going to fund a portion of the rest of my PhD. 370 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: So in a sense, I've offset the cost of my 371 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: labor by bringing an extra few tens of thousands of 372 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: dollars to the university. Um However, the processing for that 373 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: has not been smooth, and there are months where I 374 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: simply have to remind them to pay me. And when 375 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: that paycheck doesn't come through, my very hard working program coordinator, 376 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: it's not her fault, but she has been open support tickets. 377 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: She has to go through different levels of bureaucracy to 378 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: find out where the hold up is. And so what 379 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: that results in is people often times not getting significant 380 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: portions of their stipend and tell well into the beginning 381 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: of the first or second week of the month. UM. 382 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: I personally am been lucky enough to you know, build 383 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: up some savings living here UM, but many students, especially 384 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: our first year is coming right out of college, have 385 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: not been able to do that. And a lot of 386 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: times at the first of the month we have people, 387 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, people will come to me and say they 388 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: just didn't they I don't know why my stipends and 389 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: I didn't work. I can't pay rent, or I can't 390 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: get groceries. And these issues have been going on. This 391 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: have not been one time things or sporadic things. These 392 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: are things that have been continuously going on for years. 393 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: And what we're really hoping for is that with the 394 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: creation of this Student Researchers Union, that we will be 395 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: able to not just you know, send polite emails and 396 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: say hi, can you pay me if you get a chance, 397 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: We will actually have a literal international union that will 398 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: be sending those emails and say you know, you fix 399 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: this or by the terms of the contract, we get X, 400 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: Y and Z damages. UM, and we're hoping that that 401 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: leads to improvements in the system as a as a whole, 402 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: because it will get expensive. So yeah, that is certainly 403 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: one of the reasons we formed s are you and 404 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: are after a brief vote to strike for recognition because 405 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: the university ignored the employee religious part of California, which 406 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: resulted in some very spicy press releases from herbs which 407 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: is great. Um, But we did eventually get recognition and 408 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 1: and now hopefully in a couple in a month or so, 409 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: we'll have a contract. Yeah, to explain for people as 410 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: well who aren't familiar. If you're teaching right, you may 411 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: not have been paid over the summer in some positions, 412 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: like I know I was in mind, so like a 413 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: late payment in September or even wait until October, like 414 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: is you're already at the bottom of your savings, like 415 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: there were there were full quarters that quarters at ECSD 416 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: where like I lived in my car because it didn't 417 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: make it all the way through the summer and the 418 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 1: savings they had, you know, So it really is and 419 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are a lot of still like and 420 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: how it's graduate students at UCSD because of the cost 421 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: of living in the the waits are so divergent. Yeah, hey, Chris, 422 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: you you know what won't make you live in your car? 423 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: Oh God, there's no way that's It's going to be 424 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: the washes that Harry Patrol again, Todd Gloria. Okay, yeah, 425 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: this has brought you by Landlords Joy's adverts and we're back. 426 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: And so what I wanted to talk about with some 427 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: of the actions that have been taken by student organizations 428 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 1: so far, and also some of the repercussions that have 429 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: come from those actions, because again, student organizing is a 430 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: little different, and I want people to understand that. So 431 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: maybe if it makes sense to start with this wildcats stright, 432 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: we can start there. If you want to start further back, 433 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: then we can start fie it back to you. You know, 434 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: is probably about the extent of my how far my 435 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: experience goes back, Um, But I can tell kind of 436 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: the story of that a little bit. Um. There was 437 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: a movement that we referred to as COLA, which stands 438 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: for a cost of living adjustment and convenient as very 439 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: convenient acronym, which resulted in people coming to protest with 440 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: empty bottles coke on a stick. And that was a 441 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: really common science fantastic um. But that was a movement 442 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: that started at the University of California, Santa Cruz. One 443 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: of the for people aren't familiar with, you see, it 444 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: is really actually mini campuses together in one system. In 445 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: this particular one started at our campus in Santa Cruz, 446 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: UM and it was what is called a wildcats strike, 447 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: which is if you're not failily unions that is um 448 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: UM at least in America, there are very uh careful 449 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: rules that you have to follow of when exactly you 450 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: are allowed to call a legally protected strike, and that's 451 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: often dependent on your contract or the label laws of 452 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 1: your state. UM. But it is possible for workers to 453 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 1: get together without the explicit approval of their union and 454 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: uh take the added risk that involves to hold a 455 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: labor stoppage. So I'm not sure of the exact number, 456 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: but somewhere between fifty and a hundred or two hundred 457 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: or so t a s um SO teaching assistance at 458 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: the Santa Cruz campus decided to withhold teaching and also 459 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: final exam and UH semester or sorry quarter grades H 460 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: for a quarter in I believe this would have been 461 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: fall or fall UM and they held UM. They held 462 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: they essentially daily pickets and protests UM at their central 463 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: insrance of their campus. And this resulted in quite an 464 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: extreme response from Santa Cruz administration, University of Santa Cruise 465 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: administration and UH they called in the California Highway Patrol. UM. 466 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: Also there's will I've asked, I'll send this to christ 467 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: and James Pulton the footnotes. But there is a Vice 468 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: article where someone did a lot of public records request 469 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: and found out that the FBI was also involved, or 470 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: at least FBI provided technology was involved. UM. There may 471 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: have been sort of counter terrorism UH units involved in 472 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: the state in interesting ways UM. But essentially there was 473 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: a highly militarized response to what was essentially a few 474 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: grand students not doing grades. UM. So this response, the 475 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: images that came out of this, people getting arrested for 476 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: being in the street and such UM started to actually 477 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: provoke sympathy actions across the rest of the campus and 478 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: there was really a campus wide or system wide movement 479 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: starting to build. And then March of happened, and almost 480 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: all of us are labs shut down, the campuses shut down. UH, 481 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: those of us who work from home could UM, those 482 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: of us who couldn't often had you know, many others 483 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: a will to deal with, and that kind of killed UH. 484 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: The pandemic essentially killed that movement. But at the same time, UM, 485 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: you know these uh U A w twist at five 486 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: and you could get ten already existed. SRU was starting 487 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: to get formed at this time. We actually managed to 488 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: get car check recognition during the pandemic where no one 489 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: could actually go to one central point and get cards. 490 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: So I'm quite proud of that. So we sort of 491 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: rebuilt off of kind of UM, sort of the ashes 492 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: of that movement. And even though it was not UM 493 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: and I personally supported, but even though it was not 494 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 1: a university sort of excuse me, certainly not university supported, 495 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: but union supported uh movement. UM. I think it really 496 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: helped a kind of UM plant seeds for graduate students 497 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,639 Speaker 1: and post docs having some you know, some degree of 498 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: labor consciousness. When I was doing walkthroughs to get people 499 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: signed up for the union, get people just quote on 500 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: the strike, they would say, you know, they haven't obviously 501 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: been keeping track of all the barguing, but say, oh yeah, 502 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: I remember, is this like in Santa Cruz. I remember 503 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: what they did and people would be and be ready, 504 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, to get involved. So um, it was a 505 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: deferred kind of benefit given the pandemic, but I think 506 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: it helps get a lot of the energy that we 507 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: have today. Yeah, that's great to see, actually, because I 508 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: know we really struggled with sort of political consciousness on 509 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: the on the among the grad students in my time 510 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: at E. C. S D. And yeah, I guess it 511 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: makes us like that they remember, Like I were talking 512 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: to some people who were sort of involved with it, 513 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: and like watching the videos coming out of here, like 514 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: that was I think, like probably the most intense military 515 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: responsive I think I've ever seen to a strike at 516 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: the US. It was wild. Like, Yeah, the university chancellor, 517 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: chancellor of Santa Cruz at that time bragged or I 518 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: don't know if it was bragged or complained that they 519 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: were spending three hundred thousand dollars a day on that response. Yeah, 520 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: they went incredibly hard. And I want to kind of 521 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: get into why, like the university is really really strongly 522 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: strongly dislike strikes and partly because they rely heavily on 523 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: underpaid graduate student labor, right and increasingly relying heavily on 524 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: underpaid adjunct labor as well to take the place of 525 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: these expensive tenure track positions. So, can we talk about 526 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about like what it means to strike 527 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: as a grad student, because it's not the same to 528 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: strike as a grad students is to strike if you 529 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: work on a production lineup right, Like, it really can 530 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: make a serious impact on your whole career, and it 531 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: can make it a serious impact on your relationship preps 532 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: with your with your supervisor or advisor or mentor, and 533 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: so can you can you one of your both of 534 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 1: you explained a little bit about the repercussion to come 535 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: from striking as a graduate student. Yeah, I'm happy to 536 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: share my thoughts. And then and then, um, tyl, you 537 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: can maybe talk about what the what post docs are thinking? 538 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: Um from the t a perspective, I think I don't 539 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: want it. I'm not currently I'm currently a student researchers, 540 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: so I'm not currently teaching. I think in that since 541 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: it makes there's a little more cut and dry, it's 542 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: you're not going to teach your discussion section and you're 543 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: not going to grade your exams. As a very concrete 544 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: things you can do that are sort of separate from 545 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: your research work. For those of us paid to do research, 546 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: it's a little bit um harder to figure out where 547 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 1: exactly you're sometimes your labor for the university is, and 548 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: where you're um uh kind of research and and and 549 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: not wanting to sort of harm yourself. Like I know 550 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: people who have planned their advancements to candidacy during this time, 551 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: and I think they're still going through with that because 552 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: we can say, well, that's more academic, that's more your 553 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: personal kind of progress in life, and and so those 554 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: sort of things will continue, um. But but I think 555 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: it's one of the things, um that that's sort of 556 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: um important, is is um sort of your day today 557 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: work in the lab and not necessarily saying your research project, 558 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: but on just sort of maintaining things, answering questions, communicating 559 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: with collaborators, sharing your results with people, helping undergraduates in 560 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: the lab, helping um, you know, prepare figures or prepare 561 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: text for your advisor to submit grants and all these 562 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: other things that are not necessarily like I am doing 563 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: this particular you know thing for my degree UM, so 564 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are worried about, especially 565 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: because in the life sciences we have situations where we 566 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: have experiments that go on for months and they cost 567 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: tens of thousands of dollars to run, and if you 568 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: miss a time point on that we're throwing months of 569 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: your life and out of the window, and that it 570 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: hurts yourself really more than the university. So it's been 571 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: a I think, especially because organizing grad super researchers is 572 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: something new, at least in America. UM. I think it's 573 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: something that in the coming years will be kind of 574 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: considered more and people will kind of I think I hope. 575 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: What I hope is people learn from our whatever our 576 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: experience happens to be next week when we walk out 577 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: and start to kind of calibrate, what does it look like? 578 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: What is what is an effective work stoppage for a 579 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: researcher look like? UM, and I think people are are 580 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: We've had a lot of discussions, We've had programmed meetings. 581 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: A bunch of students from my program got together and 582 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: talked about this UM and I think it might end 583 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: up looking different for different people, but really what we're 584 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: trying to communicate is is don't do something that's going 585 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: to um, you know, damage yourself. Um. But but but 586 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: do what you can to disrupt normal operations. Show up 587 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: at the picket, um uh. And and make sure you 588 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: you communicate, you know, to everyone and around you why 589 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: you're leaving, and and and you know, cause as much 590 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: disruption as you can. That's kind of what our our 591 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: thinking is at the moment. Yeah, and I thin, guys, 592 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: you wanted to add tied. Yeah, so I wanted to 593 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: add that. UM. So for this one, this strike, I mean, 594 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: the reason that we're doing it is because they're not 595 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: coming to the table in good faith. So I was 596 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: going to correct my numbers. So we had twenties seven 597 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: UM complaints that we filed with the California Public Unemployment 598 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: Relations Board, and six of those were actually official complaints 599 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: to the University of California. And so this strike is 600 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: a little different because it's you know, it's interesting to 601 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: have to explain to other people why this is so important, 602 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: especially in such a short time frame. And so for 603 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: post docs, like on a day to day basis, we 604 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: do so much research that every day matters, and our 605 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: employment schedules aren't very long. So I say that post 606 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: docs are generally in there for five years, but p 607 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to keep a post talk for a 608 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: year or two or longer, especially like I've noticed a 609 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: pattern here in academia in general that post docs it's 610 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: some people prefer to keep them a year and two 611 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: years because by the time you asked for pay raises 612 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: or the time you ask for curd development and to 613 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 1: get to your next stage, you're not worth it to 614 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: them anymore, and they change you out. So when I 615 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: come in as a postalk, each position, I've come in 616 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: everyday mattered and setting up my research experiment, setting up 617 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: my papers, setting up what I was going to do 618 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: for the job search, because you don't have that much time. 619 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: It takes you know, six to eight months to get 620 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: get even an initial interview for a faculty job UM, 621 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: and that's a rare thing that you would get anyway. 622 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: I think about two percent of post talks become faculty 623 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: at this point, and so we're giving up a lot 624 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: of Yeah, it's really bleak, and so like right now, 625 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: I think the fact that we authorize a strike based 626 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: on the UM bad faith bargaining. We did that because 627 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,479 Speaker 1: like things are so important, but we know what we're 628 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: gonna lose. So if we have to strike for weeks, 629 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: that is lost experiments, that's lost time to do our 630 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: publications be competitive for this competitive job field. Um. And 631 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: also we're gonna let down a lot of people because 632 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: we're kind of anchors in our lab for the undergraduates 633 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: and the under and the graduate students and also the 634 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: text in our lab. And so if we're gone, the 635 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: lab just kind of die, especially if the grass dudits 636 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: walk out too. UM. But I think we know that 637 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: the value that I would get personally for my career, UM, 638 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: it isn't worth it if I see not only myself 639 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 1: suffering each year and not being able to make my 640 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: rent enable to feed myself, like eating one mill a 641 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: day is um not really great. And being able to 642 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: afford one UM wardrobe this entire two years of employment 643 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: is not it either. UM. And I'm a post doc 644 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: and I see the graduate students who I was a 645 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: graduate student two years ago. There's not a real border there, 646 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: UM and seeing them suffer. You know, most of us 647 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: post talks don't want to see anyone else have to 648 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: go through that. So it's worth the lost time and 649 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of been calculable what I could say what 650 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 1: we would lose because grants are so up in the air. 651 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: But you know, we're talking millions of dollars for a 652 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: grant cycle being lost if a post talk can't you know, 653 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: submit the application. We're talking you know, uh what Alex said, 654 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: how expensive dise equipment experiments are in these big labs 655 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: UM in biology and engineering. So it's really immeasurable. And 656 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: I think it's on the UC to come to the 657 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: table and good faith and say, hey, let's not do 658 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: that's that's not ruin their research and their teaching UM, 659 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 1: because that's the thing that we're here to support UM. 660 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,479 Speaker 1: And I just want to say that overall, we're only 661 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: less than one percent of u see's total budget. So 662 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: what is it to give us a fair wage and 663 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 1: a good housing so we can continue to not UM, 664 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: to continue to con your door research and teaching and 665 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: not have to go on strike and lose all of this. Yeah, yeah, 666 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: I think it's very fair. You know what else, it 667 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: only pays out one percent of their income to employee. 668 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 1: The Washington State Higher Patrol no ites not they pay Yeah, yeah, yeah, 669 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: it's disappointing. Isn't it. Yeah, we're back. Yeah, So I 670 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: think you've done a really excellent job of explaining sort 671 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: of what's at stake and what people can stand to lose. 672 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 1: I know it can be very confusing. Also as a teacher, 673 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 1: I will add, like what do you do when you're 674 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to communicate right like, so, like what 675 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: about when your students email you? That can be very difficult, 676 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: or especially if it comes towards the time when you're 677 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: writing application letters or your writing letters of support for 678 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: your your b A. Students who want to go into 679 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: an m A. Or PhD program, like you don't want 680 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: like many of us teach as much out of vocation 681 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: as for the thirty ye old grand a year. We 682 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: can make it a place where the cost of living 683 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: is insane, and so like we want to help those 684 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: people because we care about our students and and so 685 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,720 Speaker 1: it can be very hard for us to go on strike. 686 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 1: I will say that we're very fortunate in the community 687 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: college district here, which is a different system, and for 688 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: people who aren't aware it's an entirely different university system, 689 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: we have a very strong union and as a result, 690 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: our I junk faculty here are I believe, some of 691 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: the best paid in the country, the teacher the community 692 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: college sometimes and it's exclusively thanks to a strong union 693 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 1: and faculty being willing to back up that union. So 694 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: like it does work, which is nice to see. But 695 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the actions that have been 696 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: taken already and understand it. Some some folks occupied like 697 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: a very busy intersection earlier this year in the spring, 698 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: right you want to talk about that. Yeah, that was 699 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: the action that we had um UM back in April 700 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: UM to sort of raise awareness of the you know, 701 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: issues with bargaining and some of the other things that 702 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: we're going out at that time UM. And I was 703 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 1: really impressive how well it went, actually UM in terms 704 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: of the number of students who came out, number who 705 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: are actually willing to participate in that. But yeah, we 706 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: gotta several hundred people altogether marched down to UM the 707 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,959 Speaker 1: intersection for our San Diego listeners. That's via La Joya 708 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 1: and Lajya Village Drive. Just so you can get a 709 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: picture of how important of an intersection this was. Those 710 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: of you who know it, UM and did not allow 711 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: any cars at the intersection for an entire rush hour, 712 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: which was fantastic. UM and we did Yeah, yeah, I 713 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,320 Speaker 1: took uh. I hope that UM San Diego p D 714 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: build UCSD for that because they had about fifty officers 715 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: controlling traffic to helicopters. UM, it was quier response. I 716 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: talked to an undercover up on the bridge over the 717 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: highway they had. He was upset that he was missing something, 718 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: some baseball game or something. I don't know. I could 719 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: have had a real job just left. Yeah, I'm actually 720 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: staring at that intersection right now. And if I could 721 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: tell you how busy it is, Like we were terrified 722 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: of what, Like safety was the most important thing, and 723 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: I think we did a good job being sure everyone 724 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: was safe. But like it's busy, it's it is a 725 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: heartline over your My first day in America, I was 726 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: walking with another grats to try and find some food 727 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 1: and we tried to cross that road, goes stuck in 728 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: the middle, got to jaywalking ticket and right I knew 729 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: I had made a great choice in coming to California 730 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: at that time. Yeah, that is that road takes like 731 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 1: if you want to cross all three ways, because it's 732 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 1: one of our one of our stupid California roads. We 733 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 1: can only cross the intersection on three sides, so we're 734 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: gonna go all the way around. That's going to be 735 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: like five six, seven minutes winning at crosswalks. It's it's God. 736 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 1: But but that's that's for maybe a different podcast, but 737 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: nightmares here in San Diego. UM. I think there's one 738 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: other action that we had that I would really want 739 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,280 Speaker 1: to highlight and and this was about, you know, related 740 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: to a post dox. So maybe maybe Tyler can kind 741 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: of film the details UM about the the action we 742 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: had for UM for the UH postox redence. I can't. 743 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: I can't. I'm blanking on her name, but made maybe 744 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 1: able to talk about There's been so many post docs 745 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,760 Speaker 1: and actions. So this is a really horrible case where 746 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: someone who you know had brought up that there was 747 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: data UH ethics issues in their lab, which obviously, as 748 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: any post soccer graduate student telling your boss that they're 749 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: doing something wrong never goes well. UM, but this person 750 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: was bringing up this issue. This person also was U 751 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 1: was pregnant and UM at that point the person, once 752 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: they found out that this person was pregnant, UM had decided, oh, well, 753 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: you need to leave by the end of the year, UM, 754 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: which would make the make it to where the person 755 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: would get deported because this was an international scholar UM 756 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: in their third trime. Master UM, you know, in in January, 757 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: and so it was income more insurance during her third trimester. Yeah, 758 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: and so Alex, if if you have a good memory 759 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: of the action, I'll let you speak about it, because 760 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: it was pretty awesome. Yeah, it was pretty great. We 761 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: got a ton of people to rally in the health 762 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: sciences area of campus. UM people essentially set up little 763 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: mini pickets of the relevant buildings UM basically not blocking 764 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: the insurance, but making sure everyone went in New exactly 765 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: you know why we were there and what the issue was. 766 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: And they were eventually towards the end of the day. 767 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: I was I wasn't there at that point, but they 768 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: were able to actually get up to UM where UM 769 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: the chair of her department's office in lab were UM 770 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 1: and I there was nothing threatening that went on, but 771 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: I do believe the cops were called nonetheless UM and 772 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: and my understanding was this is just rumored. But he 773 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: told someone that he really to them to leave because 774 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: he had to get to the bathroom and didn't want 775 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: to talk to the students. So that was funny part 776 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: of the story. Um. But they did get him on 777 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: video because they eventually were able to talk to the 778 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: chair of the department and got him on video saying 779 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 1: I think this person deserves an extension of their contract. 780 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: And that day or two later UCSD did actually award 781 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: this post doc um and extension of her contract. But yeah, 782 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: that this is an incident that you never would have 783 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: seen the light of day, um unless this had been raised, Uh, 784 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: unless we hadn't already had this kind of activists kind 785 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: of consciousness going on because of the ongoing bargaining and 786 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: the union was able to post union was able to 787 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: win kind of I think out of a really terrible situation, 788 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: I think salvage probably one of the best outcome. She'll 789 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: be able to have her child here um and look 790 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,920 Speaker 1: for new jobs in the meantime to um, you know 791 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: whatever her family wants to do extended visa or or 792 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: go back to their original country. But they essentially they 793 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: have security, uh, some measure of security now which wouldn't 794 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 1: have happened about uh raising a quite a disruption over it. 795 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: And I also want to say that this was a 796 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: post doc and the grad students came out to protect 797 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: a post doc. So all these invisible lines at the 798 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: university draws like obviously there were post docs there too, 799 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,720 Speaker 1: but if you think about the number of graduate students, 800 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: like they are the immune system that has come out 801 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 1: and saved a bunch of post docs through these actions. 802 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: There was another action with someone that was being let 803 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 1: go within four months of their employment, um in an 804 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: inappropriate way. This person was kind of using their lab 805 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 1: as that research mill I talked about only really hired 806 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,720 Speaker 1: women post docs and really did not treat them well, 807 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: um despite doing research in women's health. And the grad 808 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: students also came out for that, and we got to 809 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,239 Speaker 1: save that person from getting immediately fired and they're better 810 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: off man. Hell yeah, yeah, it's great. I think that 811 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: sort of directity is super important. And yeah, is the 812 00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: only thing to stop to university from just rampidly exploiting 813 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: if you want, apart from like a hundred and fifty 814 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: people at the very top. Actually, on that note, can 815 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,720 Speaker 1: I ask have you been working with like I guess, 816 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: what's the tactical name for them, like the like the 817 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: like the the other non student unions on campus. Oh, 818 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: it's like a f TEMs. Yeah yeah, like yeah, yeah. 819 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: They Unfortunately most of the unions don't have sympathy strike 820 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 1: or uh those sorts of things in their contract if 821 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: if they cannot do an official strike if they're under contract. 822 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, they've definitely been helping in terms of kind 823 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 1: of raising consciousness and awareness. I know, the ones that 824 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 1: have the ability to, um, you know, maybe cancel their 825 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: classes or use class time to teach about the strike 826 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: or you know, do things like that have been um. Uh, 827 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 1: they're they're that they're planning to do that. Um. What's 828 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,240 Speaker 1: nice as well is that this isn't really a union, 829 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: but there's kind of a non university affiliated sort of 830 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,719 Speaker 1: group of faculty who you know, advocate for for for 831 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: changes across the entire campus, and they're organizing a very 832 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,360 Speaker 1: large petition and letter writing campaign from faculty members supporting 833 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,720 Speaker 1: our action, which I think is is really critical because 834 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: the university won't listen to us, but they may listen 835 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,919 Speaker 1: to if you get to a critical massive of professors 836 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 1: supporting what we're doing. UM. So there's been uh, you know, 837 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: not universal certainly, but but there's been a great deal 838 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: of solidarity. But even coming from uh some of the 839 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: people who who the university I think has relied on 840 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: to be more on their side, which is the professors, 841 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: like the Faculty Association. I think that's pretty awesome because 842 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: you can imagine that you see, doesn't want them to 843 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: ever unionize, but they obviously see the leaky pipeline where 844 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: grass students are, you know, either not staying in their 845 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: programs or post talks aren't coming. And you just you know, 846 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: what you happen to have at the end of that 847 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: is people that have generational wealth um at the end 848 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 1: of it, who happened to stay in these programs. And 849 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: I think that's what really motive the faculty to come 850 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: out and say something because like you see, it says, oh, 851 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,320 Speaker 1: we support equity university, but then they have seen constantly 852 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: the university not do anything materially to change that. Yeah, yeah, 853 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: it's good. It's good to see the fact that he's 854 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,879 Speaker 1: shooting up. And again that's it's sort of that's that's 855 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: how we fix these things, right, is by staking together 856 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,839 Speaker 1: with sort of dearity, with organizing. So maybe to finish up, 857 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: if we talk about what next week is going to 858 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: look like, what next week might look like, I guess 859 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 1: or I guess it'll it'll be this week by the 860 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 1: time this comes out, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, So what 861 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: can people look for and the on the timeline from 862 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: u c s D from the university or from from 863 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,799 Speaker 1: from from the from the strike yeah, that's strike. Yeah. Well, 864 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: we'll have a number of pickets throughout campus UM mostly 865 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: kind of trying to keep them geographically oriented, so everyone 866 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: from the surrounding buildings just go to you know, one 867 00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: one specific spot. We've were doing, you know, sign up, organizing, 868 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 1: strike pay, all those sorts of typical things have been 869 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 1: going on this week. UM. And the walkout begins November 870 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: for across you know, not just UCSD but all the campuses. 871 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: So that's our total um UM bargaining unit membership across 872 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:21,080 Speaker 1: the three unions is for people of those voted on 873 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,720 Speaker 1: our strikeout vote voted yes. So we're expecting a pretty 874 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,400 Speaker 1: significant turnout of that entire membership to be on the 875 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 1: picket line. UM. So that will there will be um, 876 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: you know, those t as who are walking out will 877 00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: be that that will be the first disruption university feels 878 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,280 Speaker 1: before they feel a research disruption. They will very clearly 879 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,880 Speaker 1: see the teaching disruption and exams not taking place, grades 880 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: not being entered, UH sections not being taught across every 881 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: single campus and UM and that will certainly be UM 882 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,879 Speaker 1: UH something that they will UM have to deal with 883 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: and and hopefully the size of the disruption in the 884 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,440 Speaker 1: first few days will convince them to come to the 885 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,880 Speaker 1: bargaining table in a reasonable way UM. And if not, 886 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: we are prepared to continue until they do. And the 887 00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 1: other interesting part about what's gonna happen next week is 888 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,040 Speaker 1: that this is UM a picket line that is going 889 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,879 Speaker 1: to be not just including you know, researchers and instructors, 890 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,960 Speaker 1: but also people that support us. So there's a big 891 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: conference downtown for a lot of neuroscientists and UM it's 892 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,839 Speaker 1: it's called SFN. I can't remember what that stands for, UM, 893 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 1: but a lot of them are actually coming to the 894 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 1: picket line to support us. I didn't know about that. 895 00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,120 Speaker 1: That's great, Yeah, yeah, it's I think that's pretty exciting. 896 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was in San Diego, but UM, 897 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: they're gonna be here and also, you know, vouch for 898 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: us because you see does like we are the leading 899 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 1: research group and we contribute to a lot of the 900 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: research that are at these meetings. Anyway. UM. There's also 901 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: going to be it's a child friendly picket line and 902 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,840 Speaker 1: for people with access needs, we're gonna have um, you know, 903 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: virtual picketing and you'll know what that looks like. UM. 904 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: It's still being developed, but I think that's pretty exciting. 905 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,600 Speaker 1: As someone you know, with a disability to myself, it's 906 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: exciting that other people can contribute to that. Yeah, it's 907 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: very cool to you guys to do that. It's very cool. 908 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 1: How can people help, how can we support you? How 909 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,320 Speaker 1: can people find you? On the internet? Yeah, So, I 910 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,240 Speaker 1: think if you want to keep up with the strike news, 911 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,759 Speaker 1: there's three Twitter accounts, the s r U, you a 912 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 1: w u W and you a W two week six five. 913 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 1: I think they kind of share a lot of the 914 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,600 Speaker 1: same content sometimes because we're all kind of doing this together. 915 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,800 Speaker 1: But that's a good place to keep track of the news. 916 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: I know there is a link to UM. There's a 917 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: they've set up a Hardship strike fund. UM. I don't 918 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,319 Speaker 1: have that link off top of my head, but if 919 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: you put the yeah to us later and if you 920 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: go to fare you see now dot org it'll have 921 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,359 Speaker 1: all the information about what's happening, but also those type 922 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 1: of links to UM. So if you want some contact, 923 00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: so it's pretty good. Yeah, and how about youtubo personally? 924 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 1: Would you like to share your personal Twitter so or 925 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: do you just want to stick with the the organizational once? Um, 926 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: I would love to. I promise I'm not that fun. 927 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 1: But minus Tyler Bell PhD. That's my dad. Yeah, and 928 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm Alex t Winzl on Twitter. I once this is over, 929 00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,560 Speaker 1: I'll probably go back to tweeting entirely about my work 930 00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:27,000 Speaker 1: and pictures of buses. Twitter Alex, Yeah is a high 931 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 1: value follow. Thank you. Alex gives live updates about transit 932 00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,799 Speaker 1: and it's exciting. You see a train, it's all good. 933 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: It pretty like hits at like five year old child. 934 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,399 Speaker 1: We have pretty much of buses in San Diego. Now 935 00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,840 Speaker 1: what can I say here? Yeah? All right, thank you 936 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,560 Speaker 1: so much of your time, both of you. I really 937 00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Best to luck next week. Maybe I'll come 938 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: up and bring you, I know, some souper like like 939 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,120 Speaker 1: an oil can that we can start firing on campus 940 00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:59,000 Speaker 1: or something. Love it. Yeah, have one here, let's do it. 941 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,239 Speaker 1: I'm that all right? Yeah, best of black and we'll 942 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: look forward to hearing what happens. Thank you so much 943 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,680 Speaker 1: for thanks so much for talking to us. Hello podcast fans. 944 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: I know you got to the end of the episode 945 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: and you were thinking, not enough James, not enough strikes, 946 00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,680 Speaker 1: not enough UCSD. So lucky you. I've been up to 947 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,319 Speaker 1: since you see San Diego today, and I've recorded with 948 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,839 Speaker 1: Tyler and Alex at the strike and we got some 949 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,480 Speaker 1: some audio of the strike going on as well. It 950 00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,600 Speaker 1: was really amazing, really incredible to see that many people 951 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,879 Speaker 1: out never thought I to see that u CSD. So 952 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,839 Speaker 1: without further ado here made view with them all right, 953 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,319 Speaker 1: So here with Tyling Alex again, this time with more 954 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:44,319 Speaker 1: background noise. We're at the strike now. How many people 955 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 1: are here roughly oh Man somewhere, probably around at least 956 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,040 Speaker 1: a couple of thousand right right now. Definitely a couple 957 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 1: of thousand people out here. It's really impressive. Like I've 958 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:55,799 Speaker 1: read to u c s D if you haven't take 959 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: that up yet, and like we did not get into 960 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: so many people even when like people started hanging New 961 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: Season around campus. I did. I didn't think so I 962 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,719 Speaker 1: did again. It is genuinely very impressive. And what's been happening, um, 963 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 1: I think things have gone really well so far this 964 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,200 Speaker 1: since day two as we're recording this that we've been 965 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,080 Speaker 1: on strike. Um. There has been some progress of the 966 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,400 Speaker 1: bargaining table that I've heard, UM, but we do know 967 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,759 Speaker 1: that you see is going to try to drag this out. 968 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,400 Speaker 1: They think that they can outlast our momentum. But so 969 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:24,919 Speaker 1: far as you can really hear from the noise behind 970 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: us and see all the different you know, uh, thousands 971 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,960 Speaker 1: of people converging from all the pict locations at across 972 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 1: campus that they've been at since eight in the morning, 973 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 1: I think our energy is going strong. Where do you think, Tyler? Yeah, 974 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 1: so I think the energy is really strong here today. Uh. 975 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,839 Speaker 1: The UC did not expect us to come on day two, 976 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,319 Speaker 1: at which we know because at bargaining they canceled our 977 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: meetings for today, um, because they didn't expect us show up. 978 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,440 Speaker 1: But somehow magically a meeting immerged around two o'clock today. 979 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,359 Speaker 1: And it may be due to the fact that two 980 00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,880 Speaker 1: thousand people are out here pretty piste uh and one 981 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,480 Speaker 1: a fair contract. But yeah, I think the momentum it's 982 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,840 Speaker 1: pretty high. We actually did more disruption today, going directly 983 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,160 Speaker 1: talking to the deans and the faculty and screaming in 984 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,960 Speaker 1: their offices as I sat really comfy. But I'll say, yeah, 985 00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,480 Speaker 1: first floor seminars didn't go well today, I'll put it 986 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,880 Speaker 1: that way. All right, there was something that I know 987 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 1: the universe did about like intimidation and un friend lavorite practices, 988 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:20,120 Speaker 1: and you come to yeah, I can talk to generalities. UM, 989 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,200 Speaker 1: there's uh, well, the labor law that governs us is 990 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,880 Speaker 1: IS is a little bit complicated because some of us 991 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: also receive, uh course credit for the work that we 992 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,760 Speaker 1: do that is protected under activity that protects our strike activity, 993 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,080 Speaker 1: which is a little bit of an anti labor practice 994 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,719 Speaker 1: in and of itself. There's no reason I have to 995 00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,959 Speaker 1: sign up for twelve credits of just existing doing work. 996 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,279 Speaker 1: That doesn't make any particular sense, but it's the way 997 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 1: the inversity run things. So, UM, there has been some 998 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: emails that are sent out that are are questionable legal 999 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,400 Speaker 1: correctness as to whether, um, we can be hurt in 1000 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,040 Speaker 1: terms of our academic standing for participating on the strike. 1001 00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,600 Speaker 1: That is definitely not true. UM is if we are 1002 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,319 Speaker 1: if the is activity that's governed under the what our 1003 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,640 Speaker 1: union is sending us for UM. So we know we've 1004 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,319 Speaker 1: had some issues with that. Tyler, I guess you could 1005 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,520 Speaker 1: talk about maybe some other examples that have come out. 1006 00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,520 Speaker 1: It's on the postox side right now. The university has 1007 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,160 Speaker 1: released like an f a Q of sorts in an 1008 00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 1: email where it says, oh, well, you'll have to tell 1009 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: the niage that your postox aren't doing research and that 1010 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: they are funding needs to get pulled. But that's kind 1011 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,240 Speaker 1: of a joke. There's no like reporting mechanism for that. 1012 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,120 Speaker 1: It's more like a stipend for a living um. So 1013 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,439 Speaker 1: we're telling people just to stay strong and uh, people 1014 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,799 Speaker 1: see you kind of pass like the threats that they're making, 1015 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,759 Speaker 1: and a lot of faculty see through it too. Okay, 1016 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,759 Speaker 1: we just intercepted you. When you're going somewhere else, you 1017 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,120 Speaker 1: would you like to introduce yourself? All right? So them 1018 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,239 Speaker 1: post doc um, I'm pretty new in your C s C. 1019 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,640 Speaker 1: I joined in April, and I came here having already 1020 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,600 Speaker 1: done another post doc and a PhD in Europe. I 1021 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,480 Speaker 1: joined the union almost instantly when I came here, since 1022 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:58,439 Speaker 1: i've I was basically horrified, for lack of a better 1023 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,399 Speaker 1: way to put it, so, I studied in the EU 1024 00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,239 Speaker 1: for ten years and my experience of academia is what 1025 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:10,280 Speaker 1: I experienced there, which was decent working conditions, being able 1026 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 1: to save money, not having to spend fifty few salary 1027 00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 1: on ransom. When I came here and experienced post stock life, 1028 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,359 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. So I believe. I met Tyler 1029 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,799 Speaker 1: when I came here for the first time and we 1030 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 1: did this orientation that was awesome and awesome horrifying at 1031 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,400 Speaker 1: the same time. Sorry, it was awesome to meet you 1032 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 1: because I realized it was then that I learned how 1033 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,640 Speaker 1: a labor union worked. My knowledge of labor unions was 1034 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: minimal up until the point that I moved here, so 1035 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,800 Speaker 1: minimal that I didn't even know what labor unions in 1036 00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 1: the EU functioned like until I came here and realized, 1037 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,759 Speaker 1: oh my god, we are actually lucky to have a 1038 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 1: union that supports postdocs, and this is not the case 1039 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,439 Speaker 1: in a lot of places in the US. Yeah, yeah, 1040 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,200 Speaker 1: that's so. How has the strike action gone so far? 1041 00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,520 Speaker 1: It's been crazy. We've been planning this for so long. 1042 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: It's a bit surreal to be part of FIT. I 1043 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,200 Speaker 1: think it's been going great. It's been very energizing, and 1044 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,480 Speaker 1: it's been intense. Yeah, it's hard, right, None of us 1045 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,640 Speaker 1: really want to be out here and strike, and the 1046 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,360 Speaker 1: fact that so many people are putting work on hold 1047 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,080 Speaker 1: just speaks to the intensity and seriousness of the problem 1048 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,160 Speaker 1: and what we're striking for. Yeah, yeah, I think that's 1049 00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,080 Speaker 1: very true. It's really impressive. How many people here I 1050 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:29,200 Speaker 1: can't over Yeah some time. Yeah, very impressive. So let's see. Look, 1051 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,480 Speaker 1: you guys know how the bargaining has gone and what 1052 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,359 Speaker 1: we can expect from here. Well, what we would like 1053 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,279 Speaker 1: would be for the U SEE to meet us at 1054 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 1: the bargaining table and give us a fair contract. But 1055 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:46,880 Speaker 1: UM repeating that ad infinite UM bobby with whole labors 1056 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,760 Speaker 1: is the plan thus far. But what's actually been happening 1057 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 1: is UM usually just hasn't been paying fair as you know. Yeah, 1058 00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:01,160 Speaker 1: it's it's been. It's been infuriating for me. It makes 1059 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,040 Speaker 1: me very angry. It's very serree and especially I think 1060 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: if you're used to a sort of more sane labor context, 1061 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,320 Speaker 1: to see them just make a gas lighting and righting 1062 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: and doing what I'm a fraise for it is illegal stuff. 1063 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:18,520 Speaker 1: It's disrespectful, is what I think. Yeah, may think maybe 1064 00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,799 Speaker 1: illustrates instead of what they see post toxographed jazzing in 1065 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:26,600 Speaker 1: economic gens. Yeah, as a workforce whose rights are not 1066 00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,200 Speaker 1: to be value to do a bulk of the work. 1067 00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,200 Speaker 1: It's it's very disrespectful, you know. I think it certainly 1068 00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,120 Speaker 1: speaks to uh. Like I said earlier, they're trying to 1069 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:36,279 Speaker 1: outlast us, and they think that we will reach a 1070 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,200 Speaker 1: certain point where we we no longer feel like we 1071 00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,279 Speaker 1: can avoid our work, that we can stay out here. 1072 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,480 Speaker 1: And I think you would think that if that's their strategy, 1073 00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,240 Speaker 1: would realize that we are in a point of desperation, 1074 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,239 Speaker 1: We are in a point of procarity, um, where we 1075 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:54,279 Speaker 1: really need wages and compensation and and and workplace protections 1076 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,520 Speaker 1: that meet the current economic situation that we live in, 1077 00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,760 Speaker 1: because right now that's not what we have. And currently 1078 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 1: at the bargaining table, they're kind like putting a lot 1079 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 1: of our labor reps and to like uh something that 1080 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:05,919 Speaker 1: looks like like jaw like jig saw like type trap 1081 00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,400 Speaker 1: rooms where they have only for lesson hiding and no 1082 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,719 Speaker 1: windows and then them not knowing whether or not they 1083 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 1: have to get a flight back because they're not going 1084 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,680 Speaker 1: to meet with them that day. Um, them saying that 1085 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,640 Speaker 1: they haven't reserved rooms even though that you know, they 1086 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,840 Speaker 1: have so much power. Who's who's taking up a room 1087 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,160 Speaker 1: from them, um to meet with them and actually come 1088 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,080 Speaker 1: up with some proposals. I got to update that EDMUN 1089 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,400 Speaker 1: wasn't bargaining because they couldn't reserve a room. What does 1090 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,280 Speaker 1: that mean? There's forty eight thousand people on strike, the 1091 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,480 Speaker 1: entire system isn't working. You mean it's your rooms also, 1092 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,080 Speaker 1: you own the rooms. I'm I was that that was 1093 00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 1: a fascinating update. I'm sorry, I just had to mention 1094 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,320 Speaker 1: something about that. So that's just all we have to 1095 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,880 Speaker 1: know right now is that they keep canceling meetings adding meetings. 1096 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,360 Speaker 1: They're kind of just waiting us out and see how 1097 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,040 Speaker 1: long we'll actually be on strike and whether or not 1098 00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,600 Speaker 1: we actually care about our contracts, which I think you 1099 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,160 Speaker 1: being here today, you see how many people are out. 1100 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: No one's gonna leave this picket line throughout the week. 1101 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I think that's basically it. People aren't 1102 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: going to leave the picket line, and the energy is 1103 00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,600 Speaker 1: awesome because people are fed up. People are fed up, 1104 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,120 Speaker 1: people are fed up being poor and homeless, and this 1105 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 1: is not why we come to grad school, right. I mean, 1106 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,440 Speaker 1: I was very fortunate to have a good grad school experience, 1107 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 1: and that's why I'm still in academia, but the majority 1108 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,560 Speaker 1: of the people who come to the university spending savings. 1109 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,640 Speaker 1: I know people with student loans back from India who 1110 00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,760 Speaker 1: are here to do a master's and are teeing doing research, 1111 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,160 Speaker 1: killing themselves because they had a dream. They literally moved 1112 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,560 Speaker 1: across the world to come here following a dream and 1113 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,880 Speaker 1: our ending up being broken. That's that's heartbreaking from a 1114 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 1: university as big as this. Nobody deserves to be treated 1115 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,880 Speaker 1: this way, and I think everybody here is feeling it. 1116 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 1: If you go to fair you see now dot org. 1117 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,000 Speaker 1: There's a link to a strike fund right now, a 1118 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,720 Speaker 1: hardship fund, and people can donate to that any amount 1119 00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,960 Speaker 1: they want to. And there's also we're taking donations to 1120 00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,520 Speaker 1: actually feed people out here. UM So people have questions 1121 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,240 Speaker 1: about that, they can just email the links at that website. 1122 00:58:54,840 --> 00:59:00,960 Speaker 1: UM yeah. People. People are very very welcome to show 1123 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,240 Speaker 1: up to the picket line to come help. All help 1124 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,880 Speaker 1: is appreciated. You want to join us, you want to chant, 1125 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 1: you want to bring supplies, we'll be there. This is 1126 00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,200 Speaker 1: across all ten you see campuses, if you're near the 1127 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,680 Speaker 1: picket line, if you want to show support and solidarity, 1128 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,760 Speaker 1: come join us. Yeah, the virtual picketing is still happening, 1129 00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,800 Speaker 1: and what they've been actually doing is making sure people 1130 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 1: get here and nowhere to go since the picketing is 1131 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,280 Speaker 1: so transient, like we're literally moving building to building as 1132 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,840 Speaker 1: it's needed, and they're doing the calls for us and 1133 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,560 Speaker 1: directing us, so which is a wild thing. But also 1134 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,360 Speaker 1: the other thing is just people retweeting everything that we post, 1135 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,760 Speaker 1: making sure that no one can silence us, because that's 1136 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,640 Speaker 1: what you see. Once. Thank you so much for coming, 1137 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,240 Speaker 1: Thanks for giving us this platform. 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