WEBVTT - What was the Philadelphia Experiment? 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.280 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, friend House, Stuff Works 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:13.480 dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.040 There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and this is a special 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.800 edition of Stuff you Should Know because Jerry is transmortified 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:24.080 into guest producer Noel, which is requires quite a bit 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:26.720 of alchemy, it does, you know, And a little bit 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:31.840 of alcohol. Yeah, and some uh and like a magnificent 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:37.800 brown bearded that at that nice there's a woodchuck waving 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.320 from that, looking good, Noel. Yeah, Jerry's gone on a 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.839 top secret mission. You can't talk about it. That's what 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:47.160 makes a top secret. You're talking about it right now. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.680 But she's coming back at some point. Don't worry. She's 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.519 not left this forever. No. This is a stint by 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:55.920 guest producer Noel. We'll have to make a sweet out 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.120 of it. Yeah. Uh, Noel produced shows you should know, 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:05.920 Summer of am Death, Sweet Nol stint. That sounds grass. 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.120 How you doing, man, I'm great. I'm so used to 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.679 reading ads these days that like I just panicked, like 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.120 I lost my place, and then I was like, oh, yeah, 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.320 it's the actual podcast. I was ramble install as wrong 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:24.040 as I need to you remember this from your being 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.679 a kid. Was this in your wheelhouse to feel the 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.080 movie was watched the last night? Sure? Did you realize? Yes? 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:35.200 It is basically I mean, the plot makes sense, but 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.759 it's like a fifteen minute plot. Yeah. They manage a 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.520 lot of chasing in. Yeah. They really really draw it out. 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:44.640 They really gussie. Yeah, they drew it out. But the 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.560 idea behind it, especially when let's see, I was eight 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.040 and I was this is about the time where I'm like, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:55.040 I'm going to Duke University study parapsychology when I get older. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.520 When you're eight, Yeah, I didn't know what college was 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:01.240 when I was eight. Definitely that was in my wheelhouse. Yeah. Um, 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:03.760 so this was like right up my alley. Now that 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.800 I watched it as a child, I'm like, man, I 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.160 was an idiot when I was eight. But it was 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.080 pretty cool that the special effects are like eighties riffic. 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.280 Oh yes they do not hold up. No, But I 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:20.240 mean if you're a fan of Tron video Drone, yeah, 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:25.079 you're gonna love this movie. Uh. Starring the great Michael Perey, yes, 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:30.080 and um robot CoP's partner, Yeah, Nancy Allen, which she 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:32.920 who what else was she in famously, she was in 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.119 a bunch of eighties movies. What was her big one? Though? 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.120 It was she always like co starring the female lead. 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:41.440 I think, yeah, I don't think she was ever like 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.320 the lead in a movie. They didn't make movies with 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.440 female leads in the eighties. I can't remember in this context, 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:49.240 are we allowed to say female or should it be 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.160 the girl lead? They didn't. They didn't make leads with 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:57.560 women as the lead in the eighties. They're all just 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:02.000 there to prop up the dudes. Just working girl. That 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:07.080 was in the eighties. Good point nine to five, three ladies? 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.680 All right, to take it back, Okay, few and far between. 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.000 What I'm I'm trying to lobby for gender equality in Hollywood, 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.280 and well you should and you're like, no, look at 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.560 nine to five. I'm just saying it's I mean, there 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.720 were some yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:24.840 don't mean to argue. You're right, it's a few. There 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.480 were a few and far between. That's what you call 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:30.720 a trap. What about Barbararella? Yeah that was seventies or 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:34.200 was it sixties? I think the sixties. Yeah, yeah. Jane 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.480 fund Well, just like the makers of the Philadelphia Experiment 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.920 you and I know how to draw out a fifteen 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.800 minute plot. Hey. Also, I wanted to point out Michael 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:47.320 Parrey disappeared in Eddie and the Cruisers. Oh was it 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.480 was he in that? He was Eddie? Was the Was 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:54.120 that based on Bruce Springsteen or something like that? Was 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.240 it based on any real life band? I mean it 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:01.720 echoed he was he was Springsteen s But it wasn't like, 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.400 you know, I think they were just I think the 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.960 right was like, who do I like? Yeah? I like Springsteen, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:10.320 So let's get John Caffrey to to sing like Springsteen 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.280 and put Michael Parrey to lip sync. Wow, that's a 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:19.400 that's that's eighties rific too. And I saw John Cafferty 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.120 and concerts in the eighties. That's how what else is 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.479 he in? Now? He was the band? He was the 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.760 real band, John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band. They 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.920 sang those songs for real. And I saw them a 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.040 concert at six Flags. How about that? And they've now 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.320 become the Zach Brown band. That's right, right? Who looks 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:41.160 like Noel? Full circle? Full circle? We just did it? 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:44.960 Can we be done? Now? So? The Philadelphia experiment, I 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:49.440 guess was right up. Michael Perey's um Ali because echoed 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.200 real life too in a way. In a way, sure, 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.240 the makers went back and read a couple of books 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:02.360 that purported to be nonfiction accounts of this incredible experiment 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.080 carried out by the Navy. So incredible, and we should 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:09.560 probably let's let's describe the experiment to begin with right experiments, 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:13.400 we should say, yeah, that's true. This article gets it wrong, yeah, 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.440 on how stuff works. Yeah, there were two separate things, 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:23.840 both involving the destroyership called the USS Eldridge recently commissioned. Uh. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.119 Summer of nineteen forty three is when it began July, 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:31.200 I think, And what supposedly happened was that there was 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.200 um this ship and there was a big secret Navy 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:40.400 experiment that who's what's aim was to make the ship disappear. Yeah, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.520 not just to like radar something like that, but if 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:45.719 there was a guy with the periscope, he would look 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.800 right past the ship because it had been made invisible, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.320 essentially invisible. And then the story goes that that was successful. 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.280 It was a successful experiment that was carried out. Yet 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.760 it disappeared in full view and broad daylight. Uh. And 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:04.159 from the was it the Philadelphia shipyard and then reappeared. 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.360 There's a big glow, and then it reappeared and all 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:13.240 the sailors aboard. We're in bad shape. So did that 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.800 take place in July or was that's a place in July? Okay, well, okay, 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.719 Then it happened again in October. Then the second experience. 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.240 Then they re tried the experiments. Supposedly the ship disappeared 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:27.400 and popped up in Virginia, Norfolk, Virginia, and then then 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.920 reappeared ten minutes prior so at time, traveled back ten 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:37.359 minutes in to Philadelphia again right, which again the sailors 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:41.200 were in bad shape even by teleportation standards. That's impossible, 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.160 you know what I mean. Yeah, And supposedly these uh 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:50.839 the shipmen were um uh semen were Some were caught 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.600 like in the middle of the ship, like crazed and crazy. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.719 So basically the implication is is that they had been 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:01.920 some sort of in some fashion mal pecularly disintegrated along 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.719 with the ship, and then when it was brought back together, 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:10.040 the coordinates were maybe off slightly, maybe the ship and 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.800 the people were where they were ten minutes earlier, and 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.840 things just went a little haywire, Like my upper halves 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.840 on the Leado deck, and my lower halfs on the 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.360 UH or the other decks on the Love the Man. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.480 That's the only deck I know, the party Deck, the 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:31.920 Tango Depth, the Tango Debt, Yeah, uh, and the them 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.440 And I'm still alive. And I've also gone mad because 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:39.880 my brain didn't configure back correctly either. Yes, and this 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:44.320 was all possible thanks to um Albert Einstein working with 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.760 the Navy and teaching them all his little tricks on 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.760 how you can make ships disappear in time travel. Specifically, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:54.200 the theory is that UM or the rumor, the conjecture, 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:59.480 the conspiracy. Theory is that um Albert Einstein figured out 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:04.960 the unified field theory, which basically the theory of everything. No, 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.400 it frustrated him for his whole life. UM, there's this 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:16.720 idea in physics that there's possibly one explanation for the 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:20.680 behavior of everything in the universe. Right now, we've got 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:22.840 a pretty good theory. I think the theory of special 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.800 relativity ties in three of the fundamental forces in the universe. 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.800 But gravity is this outlier that can't be tied in 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:34.320 through physics formulas. And they think that there's some way 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:39.679 of understanding things to where everything ties together. And as 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.160 I think Michio Kaku famously put it um he said 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.199 that what they're searching for with a unified field theory 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.400 is with a formula and inch long, you'll be able 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:54.040 to read God's mind. So the idea is that that 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.760 Einstein came up with this unified the field theory, again 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.959 not true, and that it was used to understand how 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:04.480 to teleport things. So they use this understanding to carry 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.920 out an experiment with a bunch of navy seamen on 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:11.280 a destroyer in broad daylight, because you can you can 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.599 imagine the advantage to be able to make your ship invisible. 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:16.560 And not only that, if you could figure out how 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:20.240 to teleport it, Like you're You're done, dude, no more war, 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.600 because you would win them all and the rest of 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.840 the world would just cower at your invisible feet. Yeah, 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.560 you just suddenly pop up behind your enemy, put him 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.560 in a full nelson and be like you give, you give. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.720 You'd be like and that's it. You just let him 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:34.520 go and be like this right, and you tell port 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.319 out of there. You see how easily that could happen. 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:42.640 Nazi unified field theory. Alright, So the Philadelphia experiment never 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:47.359 happened like that at least what we'll go ahead and 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.200 not give any credence to the conspiracy theorists out there, 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.680 although we'll probably get a couple of people that emailed in, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:57.640 Oh man, this is this is like a nucleus of 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:02.560 conspiracy theory. It ties in UFO, ties in theoretical physics, 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:07.080 the US government of course yep, ginormous cover up um. 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.000 It ties in all these different things. And it's really 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.680 really interesting if you go read this stuff, it's it's 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.880 it's to me, it's more interesting than just just UFO 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:19.719 conspiracy theory. You're just government cover up conspiracy theory. It's 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.480 like a clearinghouse of conspiracy theories all tied up into 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:26.679 one package. On the secret experiment that, if you listen 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:29.680 to the Navy's official line, never took place. There never 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:32.840 was a Philadelphia experiment. There never was. It was also 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:37.080 known as Project Rainbow. There was never a Project Rainbow. Um, 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.280 it just didn't happen. The whole thing was made up 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:44.760 out of whole cloth, apparently by a guy named Carlos 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.680 m Allende. Yeah, and there were there was a couple 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:50.240 of hinky details. Will go over why this thing has 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:53.360 survived a little bit later. But there are a few 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.040 hinky details not to make it believable, but that just 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.000 have fueled the fire over the years. And let's let's 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:01.640 take a break right here, Chuck is I'm getting a 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.960 little over excited. Okay, just put this under your tongue. 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:27.800 You'll be fun. Okay, all right, wake up, buddy, what 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:31.920 we're back? How much time has passed in your mind? 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.640 Millions of years? So it's only been about three hours. 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:40.680 Do you feel rested? I do feel very refreshed. Good, Well, 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:46.800 we can continue. So you tease the man name, well, 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.120 he had some different names, Carl m Allen or under 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:56.280 his pseudonym Carlos Miguel. Yeah, he's like it. Let me 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.960 throw a D E on the end. I'll sound mysterious. Yeah, 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:03.320 and O s in the D. So uh in nineteen 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.439 fifty six, I was gonna get in the way back machine. 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.880 But I don't think we should even bother for this. No, 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.920 this actually proves there is no way back machine. That's right. 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:19.400 So in real time, uh Allende sent Um a letter, 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.160 and he would go on to send about fifty more 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.400 letters to an author named Morris Jessup, who wrote a 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.440 book a year earlier called The Case for the UFO Yes, 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:31.320 which you can find on the podcast page for this episode. Yeah, 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:33.920 and he's a he was an author. He's like a 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:37.240 legit dude that wrote a bunch of books. I mean, well, 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:41.640 I mean, I don't mean legit is in like he 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.520 proved any science behind UFOs, but he was. He authored 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.400 books for real. He wasn't printing, man, he wasn't just 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:55.320 publishing manifestos online. And he was a conspiratorially minded investigator. Yeah. 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.560 But if you read like his writing, it was just 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.520 nothing but conjecture. Sure nothing, There was nothing in it 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.800 but conjecture, present it as fact. And he even says 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.360 like these are uh there are three basic proven facts 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.960 about this, and then here's some more facts and it's like, 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.839 you know these are facts at all, but it's really 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.080 fascinating stuff. Maybe he doesn't know what facts are maybe 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.240 so uh so he got these letters and um in 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.679 these letters. Uh. At first there were some attacks on 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.240 him and from from Alan saying you don't know what 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.240 you're talking about, man, You're getting this unified field theory 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.400 all wrong. And I know because Einstein spent several weeks 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.680 with me teaching in this stuff himself. Yeah. And not 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.080 only that. So it's like cuckoo pot writes crackpot, right. 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.040 And he was saying, like, I can prove that that 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:47.040 unified field theory has been mastered by describing this experiment 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.680 that took place in Philadelphia in nineteen forty three concerning 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:56.839 one US destroyer called the USS Eldridge. Yes, and he said, 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.720 I know this because I was there, buddy. I was 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.200 on a ship in that harbor, and there were other 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.480 ships in the harbor. That seems to be the only 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.080 part that's true. Yeah, I mean this is a place 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:11.000 where ships are being outfitted, like throughout the summer and fall. Yeah. 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.800 It was the war, that's right. So he claimed that 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.000 he was on one of these ships. He said, I 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:20.160 witnessed this, uh in person. I saw this green glow. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.560 I saw this thing disappear. Not only that he could 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:27.160 come back, he could see the field that was created 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.000 by this this um experiment. Yeah, and he stuck his 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:35.960 arm into it. He was that close stuff of movies, right, 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:42.120 stuff of movies. Yeah. So he sends these letters, and 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.640 he sends fifty of them. Yeah, and Jessup said, uh, 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:48.200 you know what, let me investigate this a little bit, 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.800 because I'm a crack butt too. I get where you're 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:53.920 coming from. So let me just check into this. This 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.600 is right on my yeah, thank you for these. Uh, 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.480 let me look into this a little bit. And he 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.920 basically gave up because the dude could produce. He asked 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.400 him for some evidence or names anything, He had nothing, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.200 He didn't. He just said, here's the story and it's fact, 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.840 and he goes, Um, Carlos Allende, who by then I 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:16.920 think had dropped the pseudonym right to carl Allen, who knows. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.120 He might have called himself big Bird at that point. 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:21.960 So he was and he was a very disturbed man. Yeah, 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.000 I'm joking, but yeah, he had mental problem. He did. Um. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:29.120 But if you if you research him, and you research 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.480 even skeptics of the Philadelphia experiment, like the stuff he 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.080 was coming up with was really interesting stuff. Yeah. He 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:38.040 was good, a good writer, but he was a huge 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.120 confabulator as well. Sure. So, um, he's saying all this 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.840 is is fact and he uh, he's saying, I don't 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:46.680 know what the dates were, I don't know the people's 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.560 names or anything like that. But perhaps if I were 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:52.920 put under Narco hypnosis, I would remember all this stuff, 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.320 so you got any drugs? And about this time Jessup 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.080 said I'm done with this, right he had, Actually he 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:06.160 moved on because apparently the government had directly addressed UFO 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:10.280 rumors and now Jessep didn't do that. I'm sorry. Another 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.840 guy did, um who was interested in researching um all end. 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:15.960 But I'm sure Jessep was like, I gotta get back 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:20.240 to my serious work. He did. But then something truly 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:25.120 bizarre happened. And this did happen. He got a knock 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.520 on his door and two researchers from the Office of 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:34.360 Naval Research who would have been carrying out experiments like this. Hey, 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.200 have you ever heard of a guy named Carlos Allende? 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:41.120 And you probably could have picked uh mk Jessip off 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.960 the floor, I would imagine so, because I mean, yeah, 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:47.760 he was like, it's all true exactly, and he said, 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:51.280 come in, come in, please have some tea, have some opiates. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:56.040 It was at this point and they said, you know what, 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.440 we got a package a year ago, um, and it 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.560 had a copy of your book, my friend on the UFOs, 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:07.720 and it was um, yeah. It was annotated very heavily 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:12.600 by three people, well by by three sets of ink 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:17.240 and three types of handwriting, which were all clearly from 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.359 Carl Allen. Well they were to MK Jessop, who corresponded 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.520 with Carl Allen for well over fifty letters. Right, yeah, 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.480 he said, I'm not fooled this guy, Jimmy, j E, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.920 M I who may have been an alien. It's it's 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.800 Carl Allen and Mr A and Mr B or both 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:35.800 Carl Allen. They're they're all Carl Allen. But regardless of 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:40.080 whether they were all one, dude, the annotations had fascinated 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:45.120 these two navy researchers enough that they supposedly, as far 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.160 as the Office of Naval Research officially says, they took 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.320 it upon themselves and paid out of their own pockets. 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.439 And I guess took vacation time to go find uh 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.800 mk Jesso, Yeah, I haven't found. I saw a bunch 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:59.560 of conflicting reports on that, whether or not, And this 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.560 is what can spiracy. Theoristal point too that either it 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.920 was official business or they did it on their own. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.480 Either way they say that that means something, and I've 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.960 heard it explained away is it was just something on 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.720 their list that they eventually had to get to. That 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.199 seems like a terrible explanation. I think this adds like 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:22.360 a real wrinkle of the story, whether purposefully or it's 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.760 just something that can't be very easily explained away. Maybe 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.200 it is. It was just these guys were really interested 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:30.879 in this. Maybe they were into UFO stuff or whatever. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.040 It doesn't matter, the fact that those two guys showed 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:38.719 up gives this thing legs for miles, you know, And 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.800 it's just awesome that that happened, because that has kept 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:44.400 this thing alive in part. Yeah, and the box came 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:48.280 to them mark Happy Easter, which alway sounds kind of funny. 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.600 And uh it had weird punctuation and capitalizations, all the 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.720 marks of a madman, right, Um. But again, like the 0:18:55.720 --> 0:19:00.560 stuff he was saying was it was it was curiosity 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.320 arousing in these guys. And they actually took um and 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:07.520 again supposedly paid for our their own pocket, the annotated 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.239 version of the case for UFOs and published it with 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:16.600 the annotations. Uh. They had a contractor, a military contractor 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:20.840 called Vero Technology, I think, and um had them published it, 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:22.960 which is weird, especially if they were doing it on 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.680 their own pocket. But only a hundred and twenty seven 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.720 copies imagine it didn't cost that much. I saw even 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:31.679 and they were like spiral bound. It wasn't fancy. I 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:36.080 read a lot of this and it's, um, it's you know, 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:40.199 it's like it's really out there, you know. But I 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:44.240 imagine if you're UFO enthusiasts it might interest you. I mean, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:49.160 if you read Um, Morris justup stuff, it's out there too. Well, 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.360 imagine meeting that with the annotation from the other dude. Yeah, 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.199 I was gonna say, get the impression that it was 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:56.959 Carlos and stuff is even more out there. You can 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.639 get online, it's on there's PDFs of it if you 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:03.040 want to of the varo. Well yeah, but supposedly there's 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:07.080 a lot of forged copies as well in circulation. Yeah, yeah, 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.400 I don't know. To seem real, Um, why would someone 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:14.520 take the time to forge a copy of the Crackpot Manifesto? 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:19.320 That's the course we should all be asking myself. So, um, 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:23.040 Jessup's story uh ends just a couple of years later. 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.960 He was down on his luck and he got injured 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:29.840 really badly in a car accident, had a bad breakup 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:33.560 with his wife, and he killed himself. He put a 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:38.040 hose from his car exhausted into his window. And this 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:41.240 is one of the other reasons that conspiracy theory. Anytime 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:45.080 there's a suicide and there's the government involved, it's pretty 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:48.399 easy to say he didn't kill himself, the government killed him. Right. 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:53.640 It's made all the more suspicious though, because Um supposedly 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:55.800 he that was the day that he was to meet 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:59.120 a friend who he had said he had told I've 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.159 made a breakthrough in Philadelphia experiment case. And then all 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.360 of a sudden he turns up dead of a suicide. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.600 So well, I mean that, and the O n R 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.760 guys showing up at his door definitely has kept this 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.560 thing alive. It has uh Um supposedly his friends came 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.280 out and said, now he was deeply depressed, and he 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.040 had talked to suicide in the months before he committed suicide. 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:24.840 But then I'm sure conspiracy theorists say they paid them off. Man, Yeah, 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.680 because people said, you can let my family go down, 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:35.000 maybe said, and the Eldridge had a pretty uh well, 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:37.040 it didn't go on to like great things. It was 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:41.000 sold to Grease or transfer. Degrease, renamed the HS leon 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:45.280 Um used in exercises and then sold for scrap metal 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.479 in the ninety. So no big deal with the boat, right, 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.440 no big So we'll take another little break here and 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.880 we'll come back and we'll talk about what really happened 0:21:54.160 --> 0:22:23.679 in the Philadelphia shipyard that day? All right, what really happened, Josh, Nothing, 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.879 that's supposedly what really happened apparently on that day in 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:32.399 the Naval shipyard. I guess either July or October. But July, 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.960 I think is the one that people typically if they 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:36.959 just think it was a one day thing rather than 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:40.000 two separate experiments, it's usually July that they point to, 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:43.959 which they did in this article too, on that particular day. Um, 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:47.359 the USS Eldridge wasn't even in Philadelphia. Yeah, this is 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.480 the part I don't understand. It was in Yeah. So 0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:54.760 here's the thing. This is that that revelation came out. 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:56.920 We'll get to that in a minute. Prior to this, 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:00.840 there is a researcher, he's an astrophysicist ston you followed this, 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:05.080 named Jacques Jacques f Valet, and he was actually the 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:10.240 inspiration for the uphologist Frenchman character in Close Encounters of 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:13.560 the Third Kind. And he was also like a venture capitalist, 0:23:13.600 --> 0:23:18.080 is a pretty sharp dude. He just had some unusual interests, right, 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.479 But one of the things that he dedicated himself too 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:25.800 was disproving the Philadelphia Experiment, proving that it was a hoax. 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:28.480 He was a skeptic, right, in some manner. He was 0:23:28.520 --> 0:23:31.840 a skeptic. So he wrote a paper and UM in 0:23:31.880 --> 0:23:35.440 the paper he invited people to UH to reach out 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:38.560 to him if they had further information about the Philadelphia Experiment, 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:44.320 and as a result, allegedly he was contacted in by 0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:49.360 a guy named Edward Dujon or Dudgeon. Let's say Dudgeon. 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.960 It's a little a little more pleasant than Dujon. I 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.360 bet his friend called him the Dungeon. Yeah, I'll bet 0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:56.920 you know, Yeah, that's what I would have called him. 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:59.240 So yeah, he responded. The paper was called Anatomy of 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:02.840 a Hoax on the Philadelphia Experiment fifty years later in 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:07.399 the Journal of Scientific Exploration, and Uh Dudgeon got in 0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:09.040 touch and said, you know what, I was in the 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:13.280 Navy from forty five. I was on that boat, and uh, 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:17.480 I can explain what happened, which is pretty exciting. Well, 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:20.240 he was. He was on the Angstrom, which was there 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:21.960 at the same time. I thought he was on the 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.560 actual boat. Now he was an electrician on the Angstrom, 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:26.639 but he said he was fully aware of all of 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.560 the electrical components on the Angstrom and on the Eldridge 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:33.119 because they all party together. Sure exactly that was that 0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:37.160