Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, friend House, Stuff Works
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Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and this is a special
Speaker 1: edition of Stuff you Should Know because Jerry is transmortified
Speaker 1: into guest producer Noel, which is requires quite a bit
Speaker 1: of alchemy, it does, you know, And a little bit
Speaker 1: of alcohol. Yeah, and some uh and like a magnificent
Speaker 1: brown bearded that at that nice there's a woodchuck waving
Speaker 1: from that, looking good, Noel. Yeah, Jerry's gone on a
Speaker 1: top secret mission. You can't talk about it. That's what
Speaker 1: makes a top secret. You're talking about it right now.
Speaker 1: But she's coming back at some point. Don't worry. She's
Speaker 1: not left this forever. No. This is a stint by
Speaker 1: guest producer Noel. We'll have to make a sweet out
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah. Uh, Noel produced shows you should know,
Speaker 1: Summer of am Death, Sweet Nol stint. That sounds grass.
Speaker 1: How you doing, man, I'm great. I'm so used to
Speaker 1: reading ads these days that like I just panicked, like
Speaker 1: I lost my place, and then I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the actual podcast. I was ramble install as wrong
Speaker 1: as I need to you remember this from your being
Speaker 1: a kid. Was this in your wheelhouse to feel the
Speaker 1: movie was watched the last night? Sure? Did you realize? Yes?
Speaker 1: It is basically I mean, the plot makes sense, but
Speaker 1: it's like a fifteen minute plot. Yeah. They manage a
Speaker 1: lot of chasing in. Yeah. They really really draw it out.
Speaker 1: They really gussie. Yeah, they drew it out. But the
Speaker 1: idea behind it, especially when let's see, I was eight
Speaker 1: and I was this is about the time where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to Duke University study parapsychology when I get older.
Speaker 1: When you're eight, Yeah, I didn't know what college was
Speaker 1: when I was eight. Definitely that was in my wheelhouse. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so this was like right up my alley. Now that
Speaker 1: I watched it as a child, I'm like, man, I
Speaker 1: was an idiot when I was eight. But it was
Speaker 1: pretty cool that the special effects are like eighties riffic.
Speaker 1: Oh yes they do not hold up. No, But I
Speaker 1: mean if you're a fan of Tron video Drone, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna love this movie. Uh. Starring the great Michael Perey, yes,
Speaker 1: and um robot CoP's partner, Yeah, Nancy Allen, which she
Speaker 1: who what else was she in famously, she was in
Speaker 1: a bunch of eighties movies. What was her big one? Though?
Speaker 1: It was she always like co starring the female lead.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I don't think she was ever like
Speaker 1: the lead in a movie. They didn't make movies with
Speaker 1: female leads in the eighties. I can't remember in this context,
Speaker 1: are we allowed to say female or should it be
Speaker 1: the girl lead? They didn't. They didn't make leads with
Speaker 1: women as the lead in the eighties. They're all just
Speaker 1: there to prop up the dudes. Just working girl. That
Speaker 1: was in the eighties. Good point nine to five, three ladies?
Speaker 1: All right, to take it back, Okay, few and far between.
Speaker 1: What I'm I'm trying to lobby for gender equality in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: and well you should and you're like, no, look at
Speaker 1: nine to five. I'm just saying it's I mean, there
Speaker 1: were some yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: don't mean to argue. You're right, it's a few. There
Speaker 1: were a few and far between. That's what you call
Speaker 1: a trap. What about Barbararella? Yeah that was seventies or
Speaker 1: was it sixties? I think the sixties. Yeah, yeah. Jane
Speaker 1: fund Well, just like the makers of the Philadelphia Experiment
Speaker 1: you and I know how to draw out a fifteen
Speaker 1: minute plot. Hey. Also, I wanted to point out Michael
Speaker 1: Parrey disappeared in Eddie and the Cruisers. Oh was it
Speaker 1: was he in that? He was Eddie? Was the Was
Speaker 1: that based on Bruce Springsteen or something like that? Was
Speaker 1: it based on any real life band? I mean it
Speaker 1: echoed he was he was Springsteen s But it wasn't like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think they were just I think the
Speaker 1: right was like, who do I like? Yeah? I like Springsteen,
Speaker 1: So let's get John Caffrey to to sing like Springsteen
Speaker 1: and put Michael Parrey to lip sync. Wow, that's a
Speaker 1: that's that's eighties rific too. And I saw John Cafferty
Speaker 1: and concerts in the eighties. That's how what else is
Speaker 1: he in? Now? He was the band? He was the
Speaker 1: real band, John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band. They
Speaker 1: sang those songs for real. And I saw them a
Speaker 1: concert at six Flags. How about that? And they've now
Speaker 1: become the Zach Brown band. That's right, right? Who looks
Speaker 1: like Noel? Full circle? Full circle? We just did it?
Speaker 1: Can we be done? Now? So? The Philadelphia experiment, I
Speaker 1: guess was right up. Michael Perey's um Ali because echoed
Speaker 1: real life too in a way. In a way, sure,
Speaker 1: the makers went back and read a couple of books
Speaker 1: that purported to be nonfiction accounts of this incredible experiment
Speaker 1: carried out by the Navy. So incredible, and we should
Speaker 1: probably let's let's describe the experiment to begin with right experiments,
Speaker 1: we should say, yeah, that's true. This article gets it wrong, yeah,
Speaker 1: on how stuff works. Yeah, there were two separate things,
Speaker 1: both involving the destroyership called the USS Eldridge recently commissioned. Uh.
Speaker 1: Summer of nineteen forty three is when it began July,
Speaker 1: I think, And what supposedly happened was that there was
Speaker 1: um this ship and there was a big secret Navy
Speaker 1: experiment that who's what's aim was to make the ship disappear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not just to like radar something like that, but if
Speaker 1: there was a guy with the periscope, he would look
Speaker 1: right past the ship because it had been made invisible,
Speaker 1: essentially invisible. And then the story goes that that was successful.
Speaker 1: It was a successful experiment that was carried out. Yet
Speaker 1: it disappeared in full view and broad daylight. Uh. And
Speaker 1: from the was it the Philadelphia shipyard and then reappeared.
Speaker 1: There's a big glow, and then it reappeared and all
Speaker 1: the sailors aboard. We're in bad shape. So did that
Speaker 1: take place in July or was that's a place in July? Okay, well, okay,
Speaker 1: Then it happened again in October. Then the second experience.
Speaker 1: Then they re tried the experiments. Supposedly the ship disappeared
Speaker 1: and popped up in Virginia, Norfolk, Virginia, and then then
Speaker 1: reappeared ten minutes prior so at time, traveled back ten
Speaker 1: minutes in to Philadelphia again right, which again the sailors
Speaker 1: were in bad shape even by teleportation standards. That's impossible,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, And supposedly these uh
Speaker 1: the shipmen were um uh semen were Some were caught
Speaker 1: like in the middle of the ship, like crazed and crazy.
Speaker 1: So basically the implication is is that they had been
Speaker 1: some sort of in some fashion mal pecularly disintegrated along
Speaker 1: with the ship, and then when it was brought back together,
Speaker 1: the coordinates were maybe off slightly, maybe the ship and
Speaker 1: the people were where they were ten minutes earlier, and
Speaker 1: things just went a little haywire, Like my upper halves
Speaker 1: on the Leado deck, and my lower halfs on the
Speaker 1: UH or the other decks on the Love the Man.
Speaker 1: That's the only deck I know, the party Deck, the
Speaker 1: Tango Depth, the Tango Debt, Yeah, uh, and the them
Speaker 1: And I'm still alive. And I've also gone mad because
Speaker 1: my brain didn't configure back correctly either. Yes, and this
Speaker 1: was all possible thanks to um Albert Einstein working with
Speaker 1: the Navy and teaching them all his little tricks on
Speaker 1: how you can make ships disappear in time travel. Specifically,
Speaker 1: the theory is that UM or the rumor, the conjecture,
Speaker 1: the conspiracy. Theory is that um Albert Einstein figured out
Speaker 1: the unified field theory, which basically the theory of everything. No,
Speaker 1: it frustrated him for his whole life. UM, there's this
Speaker 1: idea in physics that there's possibly one explanation for the
Speaker 1: behavior of everything in the universe. Right now, we've got
Speaker 1: a pretty good theory. I think the theory of special
Speaker 1: relativity ties in three of the fundamental forces in the universe.
Speaker 1: But gravity is this outlier that can't be tied in
Speaker 1: through physics formulas. And they think that there's some way
Speaker 1: of understanding things to where everything ties together. And as
Speaker 1: I think Michio Kaku famously put it um he said
Speaker 1: that what they're searching for with a unified field theory
Speaker 1: is with a formula and inch long, you'll be able
Speaker 1: to read God's mind. So the idea is that that
Speaker 1: Einstein came up with this unified the field theory, again
Speaker 1: not true, and that it was used to understand how
Speaker 1: to teleport things. So they use this understanding to carry
Speaker 1: out an experiment with a bunch of navy seamen on
Speaker 1: a destroyer in broad daylight, because you can you can
Speaker 1: imagine the advantage to be able to make your ship invisible.
Speaker 1: And not only that, if you could figure out how
Speaker 1: to teleport it, Like you're You're done, dude, no more war,
Speaker 1: because you would win them all and the rest of
Speaker 1: the world would just cower at your invisible feet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just suddenly pop up behind your enemy, put him
Speaker 1: in a full nelson and be like you give, you give.
Speaker 1: You'd be like and that's it. You just let him
Speaker 1: go and be like this right, and you tell port
Speaker 1: out of there. You see how easily that could happen.
Speaker 1: Nazi unified field theory. Alright, So the Philadelphia experiment never
Speaker 1: happened like that at least what we'll go ahead and
Speaker 1: not give any credence to the conspiracy theorists out there,
Speaker 1: although we'll probably get a couple of people that emailed in,
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is this is like a nucleus of
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. It ties in UFO, ties in theoretical physics,
Speaker 1: the US government of course yep, ginormous cover up um.
Speaker 1: It ties in all these different things. And it's really
Speaker 1: really interesting if you go read this stuff, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's to me, it's more interesting than just just UFO
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. You're just government cover up conspiracy theory. It's
Speaker 1: like a clearinghouse of conspiracy theories all tied up into
Speaker 1: one package. On the secret experiment that, if you listen
Speaker 1: to the Navy's official line, never took place. There never
Speaker 1: was a Philadelphia experiment. There never was. It was also
Speaker 1: known as Project Rainbow. There was never a Project Rainbow. Um,
Speaker 1: it just didn't happen. The whole thing was made up
Speaker 1: out of whole cloth, apparently by a guy named Carlos
Speaker 1: m Allende. Yeah, and there were there was a couple
Speaker 1: of hinky details. Will go over why this thing has
Speaker 1: survived a little bit later. But there are a few
Speaker 1: hinky details not to make it believable, but that just
Speaker 1: have fueled the fire over the years. And let's let's
Speaker 1: take a break right here, Chuck is I'm getting a
Speaker 1: little over excited. Okay, just put this under your tongue.
Speaker 1: You'll be fun. Okay, all right, wake up, buddy, what
Speaker 1: we're back? How much time has passed in your mind?
Speaker 1: Millions of years? So it's only been about three hours.
Speaker 1: Do you feel rested? I do feel very refreshed. Good, Well,
Speaker 1: we can continue. So you tease the man name, well,
Speaker 1: he had some different names, Carl m Allen or under
Speaker 1: his pseudonym Carlos Miguel. Yeah, he's like it. Let me
Speaker 1: throw a D E on the end. I'll sound mysterious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and O s in the D. So uh in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty six, I was gonna get in the way back machine.
Speaker 1: But I don't think we should even bother for this. No,
Speaker 1: this actually proves there is no way back machine. That's right.
Speaker 1: So in real time, uh Allende sent Um a letter,
Speaker 1: and he would go on to send about fifty more
Speaker 1: letters to an author named Morris Jessup, who wrote a
Speaker 1: book a year earlier called The Case for the UFO Yes,
Speaker 1: which you can find on the podcast page for this episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's a he was an author. He's like a
Speaker 1: legit dude that wrote a bunch of books. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mean legit is in like he
Speaker 1: proved any science behind UFOs, but he was. He authored
Speaker 1: books for real. He wasn't printing, man, he wasn't just
Speaker 1: publishing manifestos online. And he was a conspiratorially minded investigator. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But if you read like his writing, it was just
Speaker 1: nothing but conjecture. Sure nothing, There was nothing in it
Speaker 1: but conjecture, present it as fact. And he even says
Speaker 1: like these are uh there are three basic proven facts
Speaker 1: about this, and then here's some more facts and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know these are facts at all, but it's really
Speaker 1: fascinating stuff. Maybe he doesn't know what facts are maybe
Speaker 1: so uh so he got these letters and um in
Speaker 1: these letters. Uh. At first there were some attacks on
Speaker 1: him and from from Alan saying you don't know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about, man, You're getting this unified field theory
Speaker 1: all wrong. And I know because Einstein spent several weeks
Speaker 1: with me teaching in this stuff himself. Yeah. And not
Speaker 1: only that. So it's like cuckoo pot writes crackpot, right.
Speaker 1: And he was saying, like, I can prove that that
Speaker 1: unified field theory has been mastered by describing this experiment
Speaker 1: that took place in Philadelphia in nineteen forty three concerning
Speaker 1: one US destroyer called the USS Eldridge. Yes, and he said,
Speaker 1: I know this because I was there, buddy. I was
Speaker 1: on a ship in that harbor, and there were other
Speaker 1: ships in the harbor. That seems to be the only
Speaker 1: part that's true. Yeah, I mean this is a place
Speaker 1: where ships are being outfitted, like throughout the summer and fall. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was the war, that's right. So he claimed that
Speaker 1: he was on one of these ships. He said, I
Speaker 1: witnessed this, uh in person. I saw this green glow.
Speaker 1: I saw this thing disappear. Not only that he could
Speaker 1: come back, he could see the field that was created
Speaker 1: by this this um experiment. Yeah, and he stuck his
Speaker 1: arm into it. He was that close stuff of movies, right,
Speaker 1: stuff of movies. Yeah. So he sends these letters, and
Speaker 1: he sends fifty of them. Yeah, and Jessup said, uh,
Speaker 1: you know what, let me investigate this a little bit,
Speaker 1: because I'm a crack butt too. I get where you're
Speaker 1: coming from. So let me just check into this. This
Speaker 1: is right on my yeah, thank you for these. Uh,
Speaker 1: let me look into this a little bit. And he
Speaker 1: basically gave up because the dude could produce. He asked
Speaker 1: him for some evidence or names anything, He had nothing,
Speaker 1: He didn't. He just said, here's the story and it's fact,
Speaker 1: and he goes, Um, Carlos Allende, who by then I
Speaker 1: think had dropped the pseudonym right to carl Allen, who knows.
Speaker 1: He might have called himself big Bird at that point.
Speaker 1: So he was and he was a very disturbed man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm joking, but yeah, he had mental problem. He did. Um.
Speaker 1: But if you if you research him, and you research
Speaker 1: even skeptics of the Philadelphia experiment, like the stuff he
Speaker 1: was coming up with was really interesting stuff. Yeah. He
Speaker 1: was good, a good writer, but he was a huge
Speaker 1: confabulator as well. Sure. So, um, he's saying all this
Speaker 1: is is fact and he uh, he's saying, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the dates were, I don't know the people's
Speaker 1: names or anything like that. But perhaps if I were
Speaker 1: put under Narco hypnosis, I would remember all this stuff,
Speaker 1: so you got any drugs? And about this time Jessup
Speaker 1: said I'm done with this, right he had, Actually he
Speaker 1: moved on because apparently the government had directly addressed UFO
Speaker 1: rumors and now Jessep didn't do that. I'm sorry. Another
Speaker 1: guy did, um who was interested in researching um all end.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure Jessep was like, I gotta get back
Speaker 1: to my serious work. He did. But then something truly
Speaker 1: bizarre happened. And this did happen. He got a knock
Speaker 1: on his door and two researchers from the Office of
Speaker 1: Naval Research who would have been carrying out experiments like this. Hey,
Speaker 1: have you ever heard of a guy named Carlos Allende?
Speaker 1: And you probably could have picked uh mk Jessip off
Speaker 1: the floor, I would imagine so, because I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like, it's all true exactly, and he said,
Speaker 1: come in, come in, please have some tea, have some opiates.
Speaker 1: It was at this point and they said, you know what,
Speaker 1: we got a package a year ago, um, and it
Speaker 1: had a copy of your book, my friend on the UFOs,
Speaker 1: and it was um, yeah. It was annotated very heavily
Speaker 1: by three people, well by by three sets of ink
Speaker 1: and three types of handwriting, which were all clearly from
Speaker 1: Carl Allen. Well they were to MK Jessop, who corresponded
Speaker 1: with Carl Allen for well over fifty letters. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, I'm not fooled this guy, Jimmy, j E,
Speaker 1: M I who may have been an alien. It's it's
Speaker 1: Carl Allen and Mr A and Mr B or both
Speaker 1: Carl Allen. They're they're all Carl Allen. But regardless of
Speaker 1: whether they were all one, dude, the annotations had fascinated
Speaker 1: these two navy researchers enough that they supposedly, as far
Speaker 1: as the Office of Naval Research officially says, they took
Speaker 1: it upon themselves and paid out of their own pockets.
Speaker 1: And I guess took vacation time to go find uh
Speaker 1: mk Jesso, Yeah, I haven't found. I saw a bunch
Speaker 1: of conflicting reports on that, whether or not, And this
Speaker 1: is what can spiracy. Theoristal point too that either it
Speaker 1: was official business or they did it on their own.
Speaker 1: Either way they say that that means something, and I've
Speaker 1: heard it explained away is it was just something on
Speaker 1: their list that they eventually had to get to. That
Speaker 1: seems like a terrible explanation. I think this adds like
Speaker 1: a real wrinkle of the story, whether purposefully or it's
Speaker 1: just something that can't be very easily explained away. Maybe
Speaker 1: it is. It was just these guys were really interested
Speaker 1: in this. Maybe they were into UFO stuff or whatever.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter, the fact that those two guys showed
Speaker 1: up gives this thing legs for miles, you know, And
Speaker 1: it's just awesome that that happened, because that has kept
Speaker 1: this thing alive in part. Yeah, and the box came
Speaker 1: to them mark Happy Easter, which alway sounds kind of funny.
Speaker 1: And uh it had weird punctuation and capitalizations, all the
Speaker 1: marks of a madman, right, Um. But again, like the
Speaker 1: stuff he was saying was it was it was curiosity
Speaker 1: arousing in these guys. And they actually took um and
Speaker 1: again supposedly paid for our their own pocket, the annotated
Speaker 1: version of the case for UFOs and published it with
Speaker 1: the annotations. Uh. They had a contractor, a military contractor
Speaker 1: called Vero Technology, I think, and um had them published it,
Speaker 1: which is weird, especially if they were doing it on
Speaker 1: their own pocket. But only a hundred and twenty seven
Speaker 1: copies imagine it didn't cost that much. I saw even
Speaker 1: and they were like spiral bound. It wasn't fancy. I
Speaker 1: read a lot of this and it's, um, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's really out there, you know. But I
Speaker 1: imagine if you're UFO enthusiasts it might interest you. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you read Um, Morris justup stuff, it's out there too. Well,
Speaker 1: imagine meeting that with the annotation from the other dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, get the impression that it was
Speaker 1: Carlos and stuff is even more out there. You can
Speaker 1: get online, it's on there's PDFs of it if you
Speaker 1: want to of the varo. Well yeah, but supposedly there's
Speaker 1: a lot of forged copies as well in circulation. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. To seem real, Um, why would someone
Speaker 1: take the time to forge a copy of the Crackpot Manifesto?
Speaker 1: That's the course we should all be asking myself. So, um,
Speaker 1: Jessup's story uh ends just a couple of years later.
Speaker 1: He was down on his luck and he got injured
Speaker 1: really badly in a car accident, had a bad breakup
Speaker 1: with his wife, and he killed himself. He put a
Speaker 1: hose from his car exhausted into his window. And this
Speaker 1: is one of the other reasons that conspiracy theory. Anytime
Speaker 1: there's a suicide and there's the government involved, it's pretty
Speaker 1: easy to say he didn't kill himself, the government killed him. Right.
Speaker 1: It's made all the more suspicious though, because Um supposedly
Speaker 1: he that was the day that he was to meet
Speaker 1: a friend who he had said he had told I've
Speaker 1: made a breakthrough in Philadelphia experiment case. And then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden he turns up dead of a suicide.
Speaker 1: So well, I mean that, and the O n R
Speaker 1: guys showing up at his door definitely has kept this
Speaker 1: thing alive. It has uh Um supposedly his friends came
Speaker 1: out and said, now he was deeply depressed, and he
Speaker 1: had talked to suicide in the months before he committed suicide.
Speaker 1: But then I'm sure conspiracy theorists say they paid them off. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because people said, you can let my family go down,
Speaker 1: maybe said, and the Eldridge had a pretty uh well,
Speaker 1: it didn't go on to like great things. It was
Speaker 1: sold to Grease or transfer. Degrease, renamed the HS leon
Speaker 1: Um used in exercises and then sold for scrap metal
Speaker 1: in the ninety. So no big deal with the boat, right,
Speaker 1: no big So we'll take another little break here and
Speaker 1: we'll come back and we'll talk about what really happened
Speaker 1: in the Philadelphia shipyard that day? All right, what really happened, Josh, Nothing,
Speaker 1: that's supposedly what really happened apparently on that day in
Speaker 1: the Naval shipyard. I guess either July or October. But July,
Speaker 1: I think is the one that people typically if they
Speaker 1: just think it was a one day thing rather than
Speaker 1: two separate experiments, it's usually July that they point to,
Speaker 1: which they did in this article too, on that particular day. Um,
Speaker 1: the USS Eldridge wasn't even in Philadelphia. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: the part I don't understand. It was in Yeah. So
Speaker 1: here's the thing. This is that that revelation came out.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a minute. Prior to this,
Speaker 1: there is a researcher, he's an astrophysicist ston you followed this,
Speaker 1: named Jacques Jacques f Valet, and he was actually the
Speaker 1: inspiration for the uphologist Frenchman character in Close Encounters of
Speaker 1: the Third Kind. And he was also like a venture capitalist,
Speaker 1: is a pretty sharp dude. He just had some unusual interests, right,
Speaker 1: But one of the things that he dedicated himself too
Speaker 1: was disproving the Philadelphia Experiment, proving that it was a hoax.
Speaker 1: He was a skeptic, right, in some manner. He was
Speaker 1: a skeptic. So he wrote a paper and UM in
Speaker 1: the paper he invited people to UH to reach out
Speaker 1: to him if they had further information about the Philadelphia Experiment,
Speaker 1: and as a result, allegedly he was contacted in by
Speaker 1: a guy named Edward Dujon or Dudgeon. Let's say Dudgeon.
Speaker 1: It's a little a little more pleasant than Dujon. I
Speaker 1: bet his friend called him the Dungeon. Yeah, I'll bet
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, that's what I would have called him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he responded. The paper was called Anatomy of
Speaker 1: a Hoax on the Philadelphia Experiment fifty years later in
Speaker 1: the Journal of Scientific Exploration, and Uh Dudgeon got in
Speaker 1: touch and said, you know what, I was in the
Speaker 1: Navy from forty five. I was on that boat, and uh,
Speaker 1: I can explain what happened, which is pretty exciting. Well,
Speaker 1: he was. He was on the Angstrom, which was there
Speaker 1: at the same time. I thought he was on the
Speaker 1: actual boat. Now he was an electrician on the Angstrom,
Speaker 1: but he said he was fully aware of all of
Speaker 1: the electrical components on the Angstrom and on the Eldridge
Speaker 1: because they all party together. Sure exactly that was that
Speaker 1: actually comes he comes up later. Um, so he he
Speaker 1: was saying. He he basically had a pat and completely
Speaker 1: sensible and reasonable answer for every single part of the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia experiment. For example, part of the Philadelphia experiment legend
Speaker 1: is that a brawl broke out in a bar following
Speaker 1: the experiment, and two of the sailors on board the
Speaker 1: Eldridge suddenly disappeared. They vanished. Yes, well, um dudgeon. Dudgeon says,
Speaker 1: I was one of those guys. I actually faked my
Speaker 1: age on my ILLICITENTA paper, so I was under age
Speaker 1: and shouldn't have been in the bar. And the bar
Speaker 1: the bartender um took pity on me and another underage
Speaker 1: dude and shoot us out the back door and then
Speaker 1: pretended that she'd never seen us. So they disappeared. They
Speaker 1: disappeared exactly out the back door. Another one, he says, Um, well,
Speaker 1: he explains the whole thing basically right. He says, there
Speaker 1: was no experiment like that, but they were doing something
Speaker 1: that might have seemed freaky to the uninitiated, and that
Speaker 1: was degussing the ships. Yeah the time. Germany and I
Speaker 1: guess everyone else really in the navy, in the navy's
Speaker 1: around the world. Uh, they had magnetic uh mind sea
Speaker 1: mines which would uh find your boat and you know, go,
Speaker 1: who that's metal, let me go stick on that thing
Speaker 1: and blow up. Yeah, and torpedoes that were magnetic seeking
Speaker 1: to Yeah. And they thought, you know what, let's come
Speaker 1: up with a way to make our ship poles and
Speaker 1: our metal parts um non magnetic to these to these obstacles, right,
Speaker 1: which is an established UM project I guess, or an
Speaker 1: established what's the word I'm looking for process? So it
Speaker 1: was close with projects. It was the real thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's called de goossing, uh. And it basically either changes
Speaker 1: or gets rid of the magnetism of something that was
Speaker 1: formerly magnetic, like a ship's hull. It does not make
Speaker 1: it invisible the radar or otherwise, but it probably looks
Speaker 1: pretty weird, right. So they wrapped the ships in hundreds
Speaker 1: and hundreds of meters of cable um and then ran
Speaker 1: a really high voltage electrical charge through it, and supposedly
Speaker 1: this would demagnetize the ships, which really came in handy
Speaker 1: because at the time, um just outside of um America's
Speaker 1: coastal waters was called the Graveyard of the Atlantic because
Speaker 1: German U boats were running the show out there at
Speaker 1: this time. And as we learned in our did Nazis
Speaker 1: invade Florida, they sometimes were parked right off the coach exactly,
Speaker 1: so they were taken out our destroyers and our cruisers
Speaker 1: and our battleships. So this was a this is a
Speaker 1: big deal to be able to do that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: although and it was classified stuff. It wasn't experimentation in
Speaker 1: anything that hadn't been proven before. It was like, man,
Speaker 1: we're just de magnetizing our battleships. Yeah, they could have
Speaker 1: had a big sign up, said the gossing at work.
Speaker 1: Stand back. Yeah, it wasn't no big super secret thing.
Speaker 1: But if you're a Nazi, don't read this sign right. Um.
Speaker 1: The other thing that Dudgeon addressed was the concept that
Speaker 1: the Eldridge disappeared from the Philadelphia shipyard, reappeared in Norfolk,
Speaker 1: and then reappeared back in Philadelphia. Well, that happened, but
Speaker 1: it just went there and then came back, right, But
Speaker 1: it didn't happen in like five minutes or ten minutes
Speaker 1: or thirty seconds. But again he points out like if
Speaker 1: you weren't really if you were just casually paying attention,
Speaker 1: you might have seen the Eldredge in Philadelphia that night
Speaker 1: and then noticed it was missing late at night, and
Speaker 1: then noticed it was back in the morning, which would
Speaker 1: seem impossible because that was supposedly a two day trip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: two days including there and back. Round trip was two
Speaker 1: days up the up the coast. But apparently the Navy
Speaker 1: had a canal that they used, Um, I think the
Speaker 1: Delaware Chesspeake canal that only the military could use, and
Speaker 1: they could make that round trip in six hours. So
Speaker 1: in other words, it's easily explainable that it just simply Uh,
Speaker 1: I keep want to say sailed, but it's not sailing.
Speaker 1: I think they still call it that. Did they set sail? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let the ship out. Yeah, it shipped out and took off,
Speaker 1: shipped back in the regular amount of time, and it
Speaker 1: just became part of the lore. Yeah. And I mean
Speaker 1: you can even tech on a few hours there. Apparently
Speaker 1: Norfolk was when they where they outfitted it with with
Speaker 1: their explode us and Apparently they could load a battleship
Speaker 1: in four hours, So even taking that into account, it's
Speaker 1: still ten hours if it shipped out at eleven pm,
Speaker 1: which is what uh Dujon says, right, what woul dudgeon, Yeah,
Speaker 1: um he uh he says that shipped out at eleven
Speaker 1: it'd still be back by nine am. So again, if
Speaker 1: you're just casually paying attention, what seems pretty mysterious really
Speaker 1: took on legs over time. It's basically like a game
Speaker 1: of telephone. Like any conspiracy theory, maybe there's a kernel
Speaker 1: of truth that got exaggerated by some drunken sailors and
Speaker 1: then bam, it gets shrunk down to ten seconds through
Speaker 1: a teleportation experiment. Well, and these sailors, the drunken sailors
Speaker 1: supposedly could have been overheard saying things like, you know,
Speaker 1: they're gonna make a ship disappear, they're gonna make its invisible,
Speaker 1: when in fact, what they were saying is they're going
Speaker 1: to make it more or less invisible. To these minds
Speaker 1: got all twisted around. It wasn't literally invisible. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so there were apparently tons of merchant semen around the
Speaker 1: area as well, So again this would have been classified stuff.
Speaker 1: If there have been loose lips which sinks ships. Um,
Speaker 1: and somebody had said like we're gonna make it invisible,
Speaker 1: like you said, they would have picked up on that.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were the ones who were, um just casually
Speaker 1: paying attention to the to the eldridge here there, and
Speaker 1: it just seemed to disappear and reappear. Um. And there's
Speaker 1: this guy named Robert Gorman and he Um in a
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty Faet magazine article wrote about tracking down Carlos Allende.
Speaker 1: He was from the same hometown as him, and turned
Speaker 1: out that he already knew the guy's father. He just
Speaker 1: didn't realize that he was Carlos Allende's father or carl
Speaker 1: Allen's father, your old man Allen's son, Yeah, pretty much, um.
Speaker 1: And he managed to interview the family and get a
Speaker 1: pretty good picture of the guy. Um. But one of
Speaker 1: the things that he found was Carl Allen's merchant Seamen papers.
Speaker 1: So it's entirely possible he was there around the time,
Speaker 1: or if he wasn't there at the time, UM, he
Speaker 1: may have been. He may have known somebody who was
Speaker 1: there at the time. I could totally see him have
Speaker 1: been there and that's probably how he got the idea
Speaker 1: to cook it up right, Okay, I believe all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah and again, all of this laying squarely on the
Speaker 1: desk of Carl Allen because no one, no one talked
Speaker 1: about the Philadelphia Experiment. It was never those words were
Speaker 1: never put together until he his first letter to Morris
Speaker 1: jessup right, So it appears to have been totally fabricated
Speaker 1: by him. Yeah and Um. After the movie came out,
Speaker 1: people started coming out of the woodwork, including a dude
Speaker 1: named Alfred Biolec. Have you been to his website? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's something else. He made a video uh called
Speaker 1: uh the Philadelphia Experiment Part one Crossroads of History, and
Speaker 1: he claims that he was a physicist on board the Eldridge. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he was a part of the team. And not
Speaker 1: only that, he says he time traveled in nineteen forty
Speaker 1: three all the way to nineteen eighty three during the
Speaker 1: experiment to tell his story. That sounds extremely close to
Speaker 1: the plot of the Philadelphia Experiment movie. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: and except there was a little different. In the movie.
Speaker 1: He travels from Um, we shouldn't mock this game. It's
Speaker 1: a fascinating website, but he puts himself squarely at the
Speaker 1: um the center of the Philadelphia experiment. And he also
Speaker 1: says that he was part of the Montauk Project. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which they're sort of tied together somehow. Yeah, Well, should
Speaker 1: do one on that at some point, somehow. Debunking things.
Speaker 1: This guy, this guy wrote a book where he just
Speaker 1: basically made this stuff up out of whole cloth. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He says that the book, whether you take it as
Speaker 1: science fact or science fiction, you're in for a really
Speaker 1: great story. Worry um, even though it's it's basically loaded
Speaker 1: with soft facts. This this is the author and the preface, right,
Speaker 1: But basically it's this extension that, like the Philadelphia Experiment,
Speaker 1: was wildly successful, and from that we learned all sorts
Speaker 1: of things like getting in touch with extraterrestrials, being able
Speaker 1: to teleport everywhere, um, just doing all sorts of really
Speaker 1: interesting things. Basically anything you can possibly think of that
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorists would enjoy. It's crammed into this book,
Speaker 1: and it's it's given um a bit of gravitas by
Speaker 1: associating it with the Philadelphia Experiment. You know, in some quarters, man,
Speaker 1: some quarters that that definitely gives some gravitas. Uh. This
Speaker 1: green glow has been explained away by most people as
Speaker 1: maybe an electrical storm or st Elmo's fire. Um, and
Speaker 1: it was just you know, maybe just another part of
Speaker 1: this story that people took and ran with it, or
Speaker 1: maybe it was nothing at all. Yes, Um, it also
Speaker 1: could have been. The Office of Naval Research put out
Speaker 1: a fact sheet on what they understand about the Philadelphia
Speaker 1: experiment and they said, um, it's possible. Another origin or
Speaker 1: the origin of that specifically was experiments with the U. S. S.
Speaker 1: Timmerman later on after the war in the fifties where
Speaker 1: they tried to use a small generator that was higher
Speaker 1: power than the generator that was currently on board and
Speaker 1: it actually caused coronal discharge with a glow. Um. And
Speaker 1: they said that no one was injured, no one was
Speaker 1: meshed into the ship. It was just a glow was created,
Speaker 1: which is what you'd expect from a very strong electrical field. Right.
Speaker 1: So they think possibly that combined with um the degaussing
Speaker 1: stuff they were doing during World War two, came together
Speaker 1: um and helped this legend take off. But what they
Speaker 1: say also though, and what was supported by this reunion
Speaker 1: of USS Eldridge Sailors. Is that even the guy who
Speaker 1: debunked and discredit did everything that Carlos Allende said, Um dudgeon.
Speaker 1: He was full of it too, apparently because the US
Speaker 1: S Eldridge wasn't in Philadelphia then it was in Brooklyn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got together in Atlantic City, and I read an
Speaker 1: article on this meeting, and they had a good laugh
Speaker 1: and said that one of him even has something about
Speaker 1: it on his license plate just so people like ask
Speaker 1: him about it. And a few of them said they
Speaker 1: would pull people's legs and say like, oh, no, I
Speaker 1: disappeared and my hand was caught in the ship, and
Speaker 1: then they would say, no, none of that happened. But
Speaker 1: they said that that was in Brooklyn, and the ship's
Speaker 1: log confirms that. So um, apparently it wasn't even in
Speaker 1: that shipyard that day at all. Right, So that's that's
Speaker 1: the only part where I'm like, oh, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: how could they completely invent that it was even in
Speaker 1: the shipyard. Why wouldn't they just use a ship that
Speaker 1: was there, because it would give it a little more
Speaker 1: credence if there was at least a ship there. But
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying like, um, Carl and he made
Speaker 1: he said all this, he was the one who just
Speaker 1: came up with it from the beginning. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. It just seems a little weird that he
Speaker 1: he didn't care at all about making it believable by
Speaker 1: picking a boat that was actually there. Well, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He may have been there at the time.
Speaker 1: He may have known that the Eldridge was there and
Speaker 1: just fudge the date because he couldn't remember because this
Speaker 1: is like twelve years later, over thirteen years after the fact,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, bad memory, right, So maybe
Speaker 1: he just got the date wrong and the thing really
Speaker 1: did happen, and then the O. N R Would be like,
Speaker 1: oh that experience, Yeah, oh yeah, we teleported a battleship.
Speaker 1: You just got the date wrong. So we've mentioned quite
Speaker 1: a few things here that why this thing has lived
Speaker 1: on through the years. Um there uh that Jacques Valets
Speaker 1: theorizes that you know, anytime you have like a movie
Speaker 1: made about it or any kind of imagery, whether it's
Speaker 1: a photo of the Locknett Monster to the photo of
Speaker 1: the Montauk Monster, people are gonna have something physical to
Speaker 1: point to and say, look, they made this move movie
Speaker 1: and that's when people started coming out of the woodwork
Speaker 1: was after the movie, so you oh yeah, I was there.
Speaker 1: I remember that now. Michael Parade just reminded me of
Speaker 1: this thing that happened. He also had My favorite thing
Speaker 1: on his website is that, um he met the person
Speaker 1: that he later realized was the actor Mark Hamill in
Speaker 1: Hawaii in six but Mark Hamill would have been five
Speaker 1: at the time. Well did he say he was a little,
Speaker 1: nice little kid. I don't think he was a kid.
Speaker 1: He said, he's a full grown adult. Interesting. Uh. What else?
Speaker 1: The fact that it's the federal government. Of course, in
Speaker 1: the in the military, you know, people are gonna run
Speaker 1: with that stuff, which I mean, that's the military's fault.
Speaker 1: I remember. Oh yeah. Sure they did secret experiments, still do,
Speaker 1: tons of them. Back in some stuff that got declassified,
Speaker 1: and it really opened people's eyes to the fact that
Speaker 1: the government in the military experimented on un uninformed and
Speaker 1: unwitting subjects, not just in in its ranks, but also
Speaker 1: in the general public. So yeah, it's totally the idea
Speaker 1: that the military would do this, um with its own
Speaker 1: people on board. Yeah, probably the most believable part of
Speaker 1: the whole thing, agreed. Uh and also just um throw
Speaker 1: Albert Einstein in their throw in a secret scientific theories
Speaker 1: that haven't been proven, and it's just ripe for the
Speaker 1: picking when it comes to conspiracies and the suicide. Of course,
Speaker 1: like we mentioned earlier, that definitely doesn't help. It did
Speaker 1: not help the case any But um, this is one
Speaker 1: that I at a hard time finding people that still
Speaker 1: believe this. Uh yeah, I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: like it aren't aware of it, even except for the movie.
Speaker 1: You know what else helped it get legs. There's a
Speaker 1: book in nineteen seventy nine and it was called the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Experiment Colon Project Invisibility, and it was reprinted in
Speaker 1: in excerpt and papers around the country as as fact
Speaker 1: or nonfiction in nine nine does not help. It doesn't
Speaker 1: help things. You know, I personally with all conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: I just I enjoy reading this stuff. I think it's
Speaker 1: fun and funny and interesting. I don't there aren't any
Speaker 1: that I really believe in, but um, I do think
Speaker 1: it's funny when people get all upon their hackles and
Speaker 1: right in that you know that's been making fun of
Speaker 1: the stuff, and it's you know, you don't know, it
Speaker 1: could be real. Well that's the other thing, man, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought this up, because they're like the just
Speaker 1: being like, no, this is not possible, like stupid, stop
Speaker 1: thinking stuff like that. It's like, no, this is at
Speaker 1: the very least people using their imaginations and uh, exercising
Speaker 1: it in ways that I don't typically do. And so
Speaker 1: it is nice to come kind of visit it and
Speaker 1: check it out and read it. You know. Yeah, although
Speaker 1: I claim to have seen a ghost, so what do
Speaker 1: I know exactly? Although I have to say, probably the
Speaker 1: best ac use against this, there are two things that
Speaker 1: just say, just on its face, this isn't right. One,
Speaker 1: this happened seventy years ago, and if the military successfully
Speaker 1: transported a battleship, we would know about teleportation by by now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'd be doing it all over the place exactly. The
Speaker 1: second thing was a quote from Robert Gorman, the guy
Speaker 1: who tracked down Carl Allen in that magazine article. He wrote,
Speaker 1: if we were to believe Carl Allen, our naval hierarchy
Speaker 1: abandoned sanity and historical president by conducting an experiment of
Speaker 1: enormous importance and broad daylight using a badly needed destroyer
Speaker 1: escort vessel. Yeah. I think that kind of sums it
Speaker 1: up nicely. Agreed, But go forth and read about the
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Experiment because it is interesting stuff. Watch the movie.
Speaker 1: Why not? No, it's on YouTube. You watch the YouTube.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you made it through it. I did.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you like I mean, I was working too.
Speaker 1: I had to like windows open, but it was fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was fine. It's as believable as Tron. That's Josh's review.
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Speaker 1: realized it's my destiny to produce and host a podcast
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Speaker 1: I'm excited about it. My idea is to have me
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Speaker 1: is your environment, like? How much do you prepare for
Speaker 1: the actual script? Do you have a specific formula for
Speaker 1: every episode? I'm fascinated and that is Bailey Johnson, Uh,
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Speaker 1: said this a billion times on different interviews, but we
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Speaker 1: maybe go over it with whoever your co host is
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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel right or you're not getting good feedback
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Speaker 1: I guess I would say maybe try like instead of
Speaker 1: a script, try like an outline, um that you share
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Speaker 1: kind of just we've been doing this for so long.
Speaker 1: We don't need that. We don't need it go only,
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Speaker 1: Although we've also found that like just about everything is
Speaker 1: interesting if you dig hard enough, everything has a story. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'll do that. If you get it up and running
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Speaker 1: That is so nice? Why not well too if you want.
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