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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, friend House, Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and this is a special

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Speaker 1: edition of Stuff you Should Know because Jerry is transmortified

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Speaker 1: into guest producer Noel, which is requires quite a bit

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Speaker 1: of alchemy, it does, you know, And a little bit

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Speaker 1: of alcohol. Yeah, and some uh and like a magnificent

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Speaker 1: brown bearded that at that nice there's a woodchuck waving

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Speaker 1: from that, looking good, Noel. Yeah, Jerry's gone on a

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Speaker 1: top secret mission. You can't talk about it. That's what

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Speaker 1: makes a top secret. You're talking about it right now.

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Speaker 1: But she's coming back at some point. Don't worry. She's

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Speaker 1: not left this forever. No. This is a stint by

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Speaker 1: guest producer Noel. We'll have to make a sweet out

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Speaker 1: of it. Yeah. Uh, Noel produced shows you should know,

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Speaker 1: Summer of am Death, Sweet Nol stint. That sounds grass.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, man, I'm great. I'm so used to

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Speaker 1: reading ads these days that like I just panicked, like

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Speaker 1: I lost my place, and then I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's the actual podcast. I was ramble install as wrong

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Speaker 1: as I need to you remember this from your being

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Speaker 1: a kid. Was this in your wheelhouse to feel the

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Speaker 1: movie was watched the last night? Sure? Did you realize? Yes?

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Speaker 1: It is basically I mean, the plot makes sense, but

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Speaker 1: it's like a fifteen minute plot. Yeah. They manage a

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Speaker 1: lot of chasing in. Yeah. They really really draw it out.

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Speaker 1: They really gussie. Yeah, they drew it out. But the

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Speaker 1: idea behind it, especially when let's see, I was eight

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Speaker 1: I'm going to Duke University study parapsychology when I get older.

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Speaker 1: When you're eight, Yeah, I didn't know what college was

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Speaker 1: when I was eight. Definitely that was in my wheelhouse. Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 1: so this was like right up my alley. Now that

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Speaker 1: I watched it as a child, I'm like, man, I

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Speaker 1: was an idiot when I was eight. But it was

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Speaker 1: pretty cool that the special effects are like eighties riffic.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes they do not hold up. No, But I

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Speaker 1: mean if you're a fan of Tron video Drone, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna love this movie. Uh. Starring the great Michael Perey, yes,

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Speaker 1: and um robot CoP's partner, Yeah, Nancy Allen, which she

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Speaker 1: who what else was she in famously, she was in

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Speaker 1: a bunch of eighties movies. What was her big one? Though?

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Speaker 1: It was she always like co starring the female lead.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I don't think she was ever like

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Speaker 1: female leads in the eighties. I can't remember in this context,

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Speaker 1: the girl lead? They didn't. They didn't make leads with

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Speaker 1: women as the lead in the eighties. They're all just

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Speaker 1: was in the eighties. Good point nine to five, three ladies?

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Speaker 1: All right, to take it back, Okay, few and far between.

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Speaker 1: What I'm I'm trying to lobby for gender equality in Hollywood,

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Speaker 1: and well you should and you're like, no, look at

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Speaker 1: nine to five. I'm just saying it's I mean, there

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Speaker 1: don't mean to argue. You're right, it's a few. There

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Speaker 1: a trap. What about Barbararella? Yeah that was seventies or

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Speaker 1: was it sixties? I think the sixties. Yeah, yeah. Jane

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Speaker 1: fund Well, just like the makers of the Philadelphia Experiment

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Speaker 1: minute plot. Hey. Also, I wanted to point out Michael

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Speaker 1: Parrey disappeared in Eddie and the Cruisers. Oh was it

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Speaker 1: was he in that? He was Eddie? Was the Was

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Speaker 1: that based on Bruce Springsteen or something like that? Was

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Speaker 1: So let's get John Caffrey to to sing like Springsteen

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Speaker 1: and put Michael Parrey to lip sync. Wow, that's a

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Speaker 1: like Noel? Full circle? Full circle? We just did it?

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Speaker 1: Can we be done? Now? So? The Philadelphia experiment, I

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Speaker 1: probably let's let's describe the experiment to begin with right experiments,

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Speaker 1: both involving the destroyership called the USS Eldridge recently commissioned. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Summer of nineteen forty three is when it began July,

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Speaker 1: I think, And what supposedly happened was that there was

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Speaker 1: It was a successful experiment that was carried out. Yet

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Speaker 1: the sailors aboard. We're in bad shape. So did that

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Speaker 1: Then they re tried the experiments. Supposedly the ship disappeared

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Speaker 1: things just went a little haywire, Like my upper halves

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Speaker 1: Tango Depth, the Tango Debt, Yeah, uh, and the them

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Speaker 1: we're back? How much time has passed in your mind?

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Speaker 1: we can continue. So you tease the man name, well,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think we should even bother for this. No,

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Speaker 1: this actually proves there is no way back machine. That's right.

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Speaker 1: So in real time, uh Allende sent Um a letter,

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Speaker 1: letters to an author named Morris Jessup, who wrote a

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Speaker 1: around the world. Uh, they had magnetic uh mind sea

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00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: mines which would uh find your boat and you know, go,

422
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: who that's metal, let me go stick on that thing

423
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: and blow up. Yeah, and torpedoes that were magnetic seeking

424
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: to Yeah. And they thought, you know what, let's come

425
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 1: up with a way to make our ship poles and

426
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: our metal parts um non magnetic to these to these obstacles, right,

427
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 1: which is an established UM project I guess, or an

428
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: established what's the word I'm looking for process? So it

429
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: was close with projects. It was the real thing. Yeah.

430
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: It's called de goossing, uh. And it basically either changes

431
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: or gets rid of the magnetism of something that was

432
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: formerly magnetic, like a ship's hull. It does not make

433
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: it invisible the radar or otherwise, but it probably looks

434
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: pretty weird, right. So they wrapped the ships in hundreds

435
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: and hundreds of meters of cable um and then ran

436
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: a really high voltage electrical charge through it, and supposedly

437
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: this would demagnetize the ships, which really came in handy

438
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 1: because at the time, um just outside of um America's

439
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 1: coastal waters was called the Graveyard of the Atlantic because

440
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: German U boats were running the show out there at

441
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: this time. And as we learned in our did Nazis

442
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: invade Florida, they sometimes were parked right off the coach exactly,

443
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: so they were taken out our destroyers and our cruisers

444
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: and our battleships. So this was a this is a

445
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: big deal to be able to do that kind of thing,

446
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: although and it was classified stuff. It wasn't experimentation in

447
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: anything that hadn't been proven before. It was like, man,

448
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: we're just de magnetizing our battleships. Yeah, they could have

449
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: had a big sign up, said the gossing at work.

450
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: Stand back. Yeah, it wasn't no big super secret thing.

451
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: But if you're a Nazi, don't read this sign right. Um.

452
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: The other thing that Dudgeon addressed was the concept that

453
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: the Eldridge disappeared from the Philadelphia shipyard, reappeared in Norfolk,

454
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: and then reappeared back in Philadelphia. Well, that happened, but

455
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: it just went there and then came back, right, But

456
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: it didn't happen in like five minutes or ten minutes

457
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: or thirty seconds. But again he points out like if

458
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: you weren't really if you were just casually paying attention,

459
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: you might have seen the Eldredge in Philadelphia that night

460
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: and then noticed it was missing late at night, and

461
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: then noticed it was back in the morning, which would

462
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: seem impossible because that was supposedly a two day trip. Yeah,

463
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: two days including there and back. Round trip was two

464
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: days up the up the coast. But apparently the Navy

465
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: had a canal that they used, Um, I think the

466
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: Delaware Chesspeake canal that only the military could use, and

467
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: they could make that round trip in six hours. So

468
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: in other words, it's easily explainable that it just simply Uh,

469
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: I keep want to say sailed, but it's not sailing.

470
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: I think they still call it that. Did they set sail? Yeah,

471
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: let the ship out. Yeah, it shipped out and took off,

472
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: shipped back in the regular amount of time, and it

473
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: just became part of the lore. Yeah. And I mean

474
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: you can even tech on a few hours there. Apparently

475
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: Norfolk was when they where they outfitted it with with

476
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: their explode us and Apparently they could load a battleship

477
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: in four hours, So even taking that into account, it's

478
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: still ten hours if it shipped out at eleven pm,

479
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: which is what uh Dujon says, right, what woul dudgeon, Yeah,

480
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: um he uh he says that shipped out at eleven

481
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: it'd still be back by nine am. So again, if

482
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: you're just casually paying attention, what seems pretty mysterious really

483
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: took on legs over time. It's basically like a game

484
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: of telephone. Like any conspiracy theory, maybe there's a kernel

485
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: of truth that got exaggerated by some drunken sailors and

486
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: then bam, it gets shrunk down to ten seconds through

487
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: a teleportation experiment. Well, and these sailors, the drunken sailors

488
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: supposedly could have been overheard saying things like, you know,

489
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna make a ship disappear, they're gonna make its invisible,

490
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: when in fact, what they were saying is they're going

491
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: to make it more or less invisible. To these minds

492
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: got all twisted around. It wasn't literally invisible. Yeah, and

493
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: so there were apparently tons of merchant semen around the

494
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: area as well, So again this would have been classified stuff.

495
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: If there have been loose lips which sinks ships. Um,

496
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: and somebody had said like we're gonna make it invisible,

497
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: like you said, they would have picked up on that.

498
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: Maybe they were the ones who were, um just casually

499
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: paying attention to the to the eldridge here there, and

500
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: it just seemed to disappear and reappear. Um. And there's

501
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: this guy named Robert Gorman and he Um in a

502
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty Faet magazine article wrote about tracking down Carlos Allende.

503
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: He was from the same hometown as him, and turned

504
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: out that he already knew the guy's father. He just

505
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: didn't realize that he was Carlos Allende's father or carl

506
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: Allen's father, your old man Allen's son, Yeah, pretty much, um.

507
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: And he managed to interview the family and get a

508
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: pretty good picture of the guy. Um. But one of

509
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: the things that he found was Carl Allen's merchant Seamen papers.

510
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: So it's entirely possible he was there around the time,

511
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: or if he wasn't there at the time, UM, he

512
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 1: may have been. He may have known somebody who was

513
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: there at the time. I could totally see him have

514
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: been there and that's probably how he got the idea

515
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: to cook it up right, Okay, I believe all that.

516
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah and again, all of this laying squarely on the

517
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: desk of Carl Allen because no one, no one talked

518
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: about the Philadelphia Experiment. It was never those words were

519
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: never put together until he his first letter to Morris

520
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: jessup right, So it appears to have been totally fabricated

521
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: by him. Yeah and Um. After the movie came out,

522
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: people started coming out of the woodwork, including a dude

523
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: named Alfred Biolec. Have you been to his website? Oh? Yeah,

524
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: he's he's something else. He made a video uh called

525
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: uh the Philadelphia Experiment Part one Crossroads of History, and

526
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: he claims that he was a physicist on board the Eldridge. Uh.

527
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: And he was a part of the team. And not

528
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: only that, he says he time traveled in nineteen forty

529
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: three all the way to nineteen eighty three during the

530
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: experiment to tell his story. That sounds extremely close to

531
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: the plot of the Philadelphia Experiment movie. Yeah, and the

532
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: and except there was a little different. In the movie.

533
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: He travels from Um, we shouldn't mock this game. It's

534
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: a fascinating website, but he puts himself squarely at the

535
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: um the center of the Philadelphia experiment. And he also

536
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: says that he was part of the Montauk Project. Yeah,

537
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: which they're sort of tied together somehow. Yeah, Well, should

538
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: do one on that at some point, somehow. Debunking things.

539
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: This guy, this guy wrote a book where he just

540
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: basically made this stuff up out of whole cloth. Yeah.

541
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: He says that the book, whether you take it as

542
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: science fact or science fiction, you're in for a really

543
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: great story. Worry um, even though it's it's basically loaded

544
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: with soft facts. This this is the author and the preface, right,

545
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: But basically it's this extension that, like the Philadelphia Experiment,

546
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: was wildly successful, and from that we learned all sorts

547
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: of things like getting in touch with extraterrestrials, being able

548
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: to teleport everywhere, um, just doing all sorts of really

549
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: interesting things. Basically anything you can possibly think of that

550
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: a conspiracy theorists would enjoy. It's crammed into this book,

551
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: and it's it's given um a bit of gravitas by

552
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: associating it with the Philadelphia Experiment. You know, in some quarters, man,

553
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: some quarters that that definitely gives some gravitas. Uh. This

554
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: green glow has been explained away by most people as

555
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: maybe an electrical storm or st Elmo's fire. Um, and

556
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: it was just you know, maybe just another part of

557
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: this story that people took and ran with it, or

558
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: maybe it was nothing at all. Yes, Um, it also

559
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: could have been. The Office of Naval Research put out

560
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: a fact sheet on what they understand about the Philadelphia

561
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: experiment and they said, um, it's possible. Another origin or

562
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: the origin of that specifically was experiments with the U. S. S.

563
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: Timmerman later on after the war in the fifties where

564
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: they tried to use a small generator that was higher

565
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: power than the generator that was currently on board and

566
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: it actually caused coronal discharge with a glow. Um. And

567
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: they said that no one was injured, no one was

568
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: meshed into the ship. It was just a glow was created,

569
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: which is what you'd expect from a very strong electrical field. Right.

570
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: So they think possibly that combined with um the degaussing

571
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: stuff they were doing during World War two, came together

572
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: um and helped this legend take off. But what they

573
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: say also though, and what was supported by this reunion

574
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: of USS Eldridge Sailors. Is that even the guy who

575
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: debunked and discredit did everything that Carlos Allende said, Um dudgeon.

576
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: He was full of it too, apparently because the US

577
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: S Eldridge wasn't in Philadelphia then it was in Brooklyn. Yeah,

578
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: they got together in Atlantic City, and I read an

579
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: article on this meeting, and they had a good laugh

580
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: and said that one of him even has something about

581
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: it on his license plate just so people like ask

582
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: him about it. And a few of them said they

583
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: would pull people's legs and say like, oh, no, I

584
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: disappeared and my hand was caught in the ship, and

585
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: then they would say, no, none of that happened. But

586
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: they said that that was in Brooklyn, and the ship's

587
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: log confirms that. So um, apparently it wasn't even in

588
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: that shipyard that day at all. Right, So that's that's

589
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: the only part where I'm like, oh, wait a minute,

590
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: how could they completely invent that it was even in

591
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: the shipyard. Why wouldn't they just use a ship that

592
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: was there, because it would give it a little more

593
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: credence if there was at least a ship there. But

594
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying like, um, Carl and he made

595
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: he said all this, he was the one who just

596
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: came up with it from the beginning. Yeah, but I

597
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: don't know. It just seems a little weird that he

598
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: he didn't care at all about making it believable by

599
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: picking a boat that was actually there. Well, that's what

600
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. He may have been there at the time.

601
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: He may have known that the Eldridge was there and

602
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: just fudge the date because he couldn't remember because this

603
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: is like twelve years later, over thirteen years after the fact,

604
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, bad memory, right, So maybe

605
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: he just got the date wrong and the thing really

606
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: did happen, and then the O. N R Would be like,

607
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: oh that experience, Yeah, oh yeah, we teleported a battleship.

608
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: You just got the date wrong. So we've mentioned quite

609
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: a few things here that why this thing has lived

610
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: on through the years. Um there uh that Jacques Valets

611
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: theorizes that you know, anytime you have like a movie

612
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: made about it or any kind of imagery, whether it's

613
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: a photo of the Locknett Monster to the photo of

614
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: the Montauk Monster, people are gonna have something physical to

615
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 1: point to and say, look, they made this move movie

616
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: and that's when people started coming out of the woodwork

617
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: was after the movie, so you oh yeah, I was there.

618
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: I remember that now. Michael Parade just reminded me of

619
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: this thing that happened. He also had My favorite thing

620
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: on his website is that, um he met the person

621
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: that he later realized was the actor Mark Hamill in

622
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: Hawaii in six but Mark Hamill would have been five

623
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: at the time. Well did he say he was a little,

624
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: nice little kid. I don't think he was a kid.

625
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: He said, he's a full grown adult. Interesting. Uh. What else?

626
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: The fact that it's the federal government. Of course, in

627
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: the in the military, you know, people are gonna run

628
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: with that stuff, which I mean, that's the military's fault.

629
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: I remember. Oh yeah. Sure they did secret experiments, still do,

630
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: tons of them. Back in some stuff that got declassified,

631
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: and it really opened people's eyes to the fact that

632
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: the government in the military experimented on un uninformed and

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Speaker 1: unwitting subjects, not just in in its ranks, but also

634
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Speaker 1: in the general public. So yeah, it's totally the idea

635
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: that the military would do this, um with its own

636
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: people on board. Yeah, probably the most believable part of

637
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: the whole thing, agreed. Uh and also just um throw

638
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: Albert Einstein in their throw in a secret scientific theories

639
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: that haven't been proven, and it's just ripe for the

640
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: picking when it comes to conspiracies and the suicide. Of course,

641
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 1: like we mentioned earlier, that definitely doesn't help. It did

642
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: not help the case any But um, this is one

643
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Speaker 1: that I at a hard time finding people that still

644
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: believe this. Uh yeah, I think a lot of people

645
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: like it aren't aware of it, even except for the movie.

646
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: You know what else helped it get legs. There's a

647
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: book in nineteen seventy nine and it was called the

648
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Experiment Colon Project Invisibility, and it was reprinted in

649
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: in excerpt and papers around the country as as fact

650
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: or nonfiction in nine nine does not help. It doesn't

651
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Speaker 1: help things. You know, I personally with all conspiracy theories,

652
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: I just I enjoy reading this stuff. I think it's

653
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: fun and funny and interesting. I don't there aren't any

654
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Speaker 1: that I really believe in, but um, I do think

655
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: it's funny when people get all upon their hackles and

656
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: right in that you know that's been making fun of

657
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: the stuff, and it's you know, you don't know, it

658
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: could be real. Well that's the other thing, man, I'm

659
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: glad you brought this up, because they're like the just

660
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: being like, no, this is not possible, like stupid, stop

661
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: thinking stuff like that. It's like, no, this is at

662
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: the very least people using their imaginations and uh, exercising

663
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: it in ways that I don't typically do. And so

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00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: it is nice to come kind of visit it and

665
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: check it out and read it. You know. Yeah, although

666
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: I claim to have seen a ghost, so what do

667
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: I know exactly? Although I have to say, probably the

668
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: best ac use against this, there are two things that

669
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: just say, just on its face, this isn't right. One,

670
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: this happened seventy years ago, and if the military successfully

671
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: transported a battleship, we would know about teleportation by by now. Yeah,

672
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: they'd be doing it all over the place exactly. The

673
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: second thing was a quote from Robert Gorman, the guy

674
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: who tracked down Carl Allen in that magazine article. He wrote,

675
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: if we were to believe Carl Allen, our naval hierarchy

676
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: abandoned sanity and historical president by conducting an experiment of

677
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: enormous importance and broad daylight using a badly needed destroyer

678
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: escort vessel. Yeah. I think that kind of sums it

679
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: up nicely. Agreed, But go forth and read about the

680
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Experiment because it is interesting stuff. Watch the movie.

681
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: Why not? No, it's on YouTube. You watch the YouTube.

682
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: I can't believe you made it through it. I did.

683
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: I'm telling you like I mean, I was working too.

684
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I had to like windows open, but it was fine. Yeah,

685
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: it was fine. It's as believable as Tron. That's Josh's review.

686
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: Let's see. If you want to know more about the

687
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Experiment, you don't have anything else, right, you can

688
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: type those words in the search bar. How stuff works.

689
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: And since Chuck said Tron, it's time for listener mail.

690
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this uh email from an up and

691
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: coming podcaster in Georgia Bulldog Nice. Hey, guys, my name

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00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: is Bailey. I'm a junior mass media, arts and theater

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Speaker 1: student at good Old u g A Go Dogs Wolf

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Speaker 1: Wolf uh. My professional identity aside, I'm also a longtime

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00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: listener and lover of you, guys. I listened to my

696
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: first episode on the bus home from seventh grade. That Wow.

697
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was episode on brainwashing. So she's

698
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: in college now. I mainly listen to y'all as I'm

699
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: working on my on campus job bus driving. Did you

700
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: ever take the buses in Athens? The student bus? I

701
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: was so crippled with social anxiety that if I couldn't

702
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: find a parking space, I would just skip class because

703
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to get on the bus. You had

704
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Speaker 1: social anxiety really like I didn't want to get to

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Speaker 1: know anyone or you just I just couldn't bear being

706
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Speaker 1: around peers at that age. Really interesting. Uh. The buses

707
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: were always a little scary because it was like, here's

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Speaker 1: a forty ft long bus full of students and it's

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00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: driven by year old student. Yeah. Well it's scary for

710
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: me for different reasons, but I can imagine it's scary

711
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: for that reason too. Yeah, it took him a few times.

712
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: I mainly walked. Um, okay, where was that bus driving?

713
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: So my passengers have the honor of listening to you

714
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: as well? Oh, I guess she plays it out loud.

715
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: That's nice. That is nice. That's the party bus right there,

716
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: I guess. So the other day I was driving, I

717
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: realized it's my destiny to produce and host a podcast

718
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: on campus. We don't really have anything like that, so

719
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm excited about it. My idea is to have me

720
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: and another host be constants on the show and every

721
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: week bring in a different u G. A professor or

722
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: Athens professional or general awesome person to talk about the

723
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: one thing in their field that fascinates them the most

724
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: for about thirty minutes. It would include informal conversation between

725
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: the three of us about a topic highly inspired by

726
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: Yall's witty banter. Anyway, because you guys are my muses,

727
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: I would want to, uh wanted to ask you any

728
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: advice for a baby bulldog podcaster. As an m M

729
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: A major, I feel like I have the basic knowledge

730
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: and resources for the technical side, but as far as

731
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: what makes a good episode, I'm feeling pretty shaky. What

732
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: is your environment, like? How much do you prepare for

733
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: the actual script? Do you have a specific formula for

734
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: every episode? I'm fascinated and that is Bailey Johnson, Uh,

735
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: you've got any advice? I will give you the same

736
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: advice I would give anybody starting out in podcasting. Bailey,

737
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: get good, Mike, it's worth the expenditure. Make it sound good,

738
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: and they probably have them on campus, some imagining. Yeah,

739
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, if you can finagle your into a

740
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: studio with good mikes, ye, do it. Oh yeah, do

741
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: whatever you need to do to get that done. Uh,

742
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: and then release on a reliable schedule. That are those

743
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: are the two keys to begin with. I mean, like,

744
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: as long as you're releasing on a reliable schedule, people

745
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: will come to appreciate what you're doing. Yeah. And my

746
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: advice as far as scripting goes is, you know, We've

747
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: said this a billion times on different interviews, but we

748
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: don't script stuff out, and we don't go over stuff

749
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: with each other. We just do our own research and

750
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: try and have as natural a conversation as possible, which

751
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: I think has helped our show out. That's not to

752
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: say that you need to do that, but I think

753
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: being relatable and um, conversational helps rather than feeling like

754
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: you're being read a script. I don't know a lot

755
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: of people that would be as into that, So my

756
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: advice would be trying to make a conversational um, you know,

757
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: maybe go over it with whoever your co host is

758
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: some at first, she's a theater major, right, Yeah, you

759
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: should be pretty good at this stuff already, So Yeah,

760
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's good at ed living. She's probably finds

761
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: comfort in the idea of a script. I don't think

762
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with starting out trying that. But if

763
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel right or you're not getting good feedback

764
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: about it, and try try something else. Yeah, my my,

765
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: I guess I would say maybe try like instead of

766
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: a script, try like an outline, um that you share

767
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: with each other, the poor man's script. Yeah, so you've

768
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: got a little roadmap ahead of you, and uh, we

769
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: kind of just we've been doing this for so long.

770
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: We don't need that. We don't need it go only,

771
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: but we have our own roadmap that we share via

772
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: our brain waves. Yes, mapped to the White House. It's

773
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: not written down few thousands, sixteen. So those are our

774
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 1: points of advice. Um. We don't have a specific formula.

775
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: We just try to talk about things that we find interesting.

776
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: That's I think that's a key to man. Yeah, be

777
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 1: into what your own topic is, because that'll show for sure. Yeah.

778
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: Although we've also found that like just about everything is

779
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: interesting if you dig hard enough, everything has a story. Yeah,

780
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: So if something's like really boring, you maybe abandon it.

781
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: But you can also try digging harder. Agreed, So good luck, Bailey.

782
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: Send us a link when that's up and we'll plug

783
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: it for you and um. And since you're doing an

784
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: interview show, your goal should be with each interview to

785
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: make that person cry. You know what, Bailey, I'll I'll

786
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: even be on your show if you want. Whoa nice Yeah,

787
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: I'll do that. If you get it up and running

788
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: and you need somebody, I'd be happy to sit in.

789
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: That is so nice? Why not well too if you want.

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00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if fault for athletes. Uh yeah, not

791
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: that I don't like to, but I might just be

792
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: easier to do it on the phone. Okay, we'll see Bailey.

793
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: He's laid it out there for you again. In touch,

794
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: all right, Bailey? Good luck class of seventeen. That's crazy. Yeah,

795
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: who started listening in seventh grade? Goodness. If you want

796
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: to get in touch with the chucker I chucker me, Yeah,

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00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: chucker me, you can tweet to us at s Y

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Speaker 1: s K podcast. You can join us on Facebook dot

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Speaker 1: an email to Stuff Podcast at how stuff Works dot

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