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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast in the Clay

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Speaker 1: and Book Podcast Network. Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Tutor Dixon, and I'm so glad you're joining me today.

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, today we're going to talk about the attack

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Speaker 1: on guns and hunting. You've probably heard people say that

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Speaker 1: they're standing for the Second Amendment, but maybe you're not

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Speaker 1: totally aware of what that means or really what attacks

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Speaker 1: to dig deep into that. So I have someone with

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Speaker 1: me today who's spent his life in service to our

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Speaker 1: country and now he works to educate people on guns,

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Speaker 1: guns safety, and how to protect our rights in the

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Speaker 1: United States. Willes Ley is a retired lieutenant colonel who

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Speaker 1: graduated from West Point and then served in combat for

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Speaker 1: twenty two years as a ranger and airborne qualified armor officer.

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Speaker 1: He now sits on the board of directors for the NRA,

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Speaker 1: the National Rifle Association of America. But first, before I

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Speaker 1: bring Willison, I want to talk to you a little

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Speaker 1: COVID tax Relief dot Org. Now I want to get

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Speaker 1: back to Wilee Willis. Thank you so much for joining

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Speaker 1: the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Today, Tudor, thanks for having me. You're a great movement

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Speaker 2: leader for us. Appreciate being on your show.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the same about you. I watch everything

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Speaker 1: you're doing. I know that you spend a lot of

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Speaker 1: time at these trainings for people of all ages to

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Speaker 1: learn about guns. So I wanted to get your opinion

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Speaker 1: on what happened recently with the Bidened administration, because now

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Speaker 1: they're saying they're withholding key funds from our schools who

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Speaker 1: have hunting and archery programs, And to me, this is shocking.

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Speaker 1: My husband went through one of these programs when he

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Speaker 1: was young in high school. It taught him a lot

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Speaker 1: how to protect others when you're out there hunting. So

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Speaker 1: why would this be unless it is bigger than just

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Speaker 1: hunting and archery.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's certainly bigger than hunting and archery, Tutor, because

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Speaker 2: this isn't all part of their all out assault on

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Speaker 2: funding especially for hunting programs and archery in the high

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Speaker 2: schools to attack the next generation. And as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: it's not just the function of learning and being prepared,

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Speaker 2: across the board, and it's not just this act. There's

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Speaker 1: But see, they would argue, and I think this is

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Speaker 2: It's the greatest safety effort that we have for learning

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Speaker 1: How often do you think that someone who goes through

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Speaker 2: That is the one tax that few conservatives complain about

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Speaker 2: That's where the funding's coming from. I'd love to see

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Speaker 1: So one of the things you said, you said, none

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Speaker 1: And yet you have people like David Hogg who has

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Speaker 2: do it through different organizations. The NRA USCCA, who also

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Speaker 2: We've had that program since nineteen ninety three. It's called

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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of families are in my

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Speaker 1: What could possibly be the argument to stop kids from

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Speaker 2: Ideology, narrative, and that's simply all it is. Kansas actually,

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Speaker 2: There are one hundred and twenty million firearm owners out there.

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Speaker 1: it was racist. And so we know that he didn't

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Speaker 1: get the treatment that he deserved when he was a felon.

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Speaker 1: And then ultimately this cost us three lives, but more

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Speaker 1: at this state, at Michigan State, because we had five

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Speaker 1: people injured, three people killed. This changes the lives of

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Speaker 1: hundreds of people across the state. And we also know

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Speaker 1: that Lansing is in the country, in the entire United States,

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Speaker 1: the seventeenth most violent city in the country. So we

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Speaker 1: are hearing it really does tug at the heartstrings of

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Speaker 1: people when you say, oh, these gun laws will stop this,

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Speaker 1: But none of the gun laws that are new to

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Speaker 1: Michigan would have stopped this. When do we start fighting

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Speaker 1: back and saying they've got to enforce the laws that

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Speaker 1: are already on the books. If you enforce the general

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Speaker 1: laws we have regarding safety and guns, we wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: these problems.

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Speaker 2: Well, Tudor, let me tell you this is not a

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Speaker 2: lost cause. We have fought back. We fought back in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen electing President Trump, who brought us three conservative

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court justices that have changed the world as far

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Speaker 2: as the Second Amendments concern with the decision the NRA

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Speaker 2: pushed case to the Supreme Court last year with the

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Speaker 2: decision against r that allowed us to carry for self

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Speaker 2: defense outside of the home. We had two hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: Great American patriots show up at our Great American outdoor

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Speaker 2: show for the NRA in Pennsylvania in a cold February.

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Speaker 2: Seventy seven thousand come to our annual meeting in Indianapolis

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Speaker 2: this year, all because yeah, they support the NRA, but

463
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Speaker 2: because they support freedom and they support America and they

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Speaker 2: want America to be great again. So it's not all lost.

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Speaker 2: We are pushing back. We just have to do better.

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Speaker 2: We have to get better. We have to win elections.

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Speaker 2: It's key what happened in Michigan this year by giving

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Speaker 2: the Democrats control of all three effectively all three of

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Speaker 2: the administrative, the law passing bodies. We've got to do

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Speaker 2: better and we've got to win those elections and we've

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Speaker 2: got to turn that around. Well.

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Speaker 1: And I know I'm pushing on you, but my goal

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Speaker 1: here is for us to get that message out that

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Speaker 1: money matters. I mean, I hate to say it, but

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Speaker 1: look at your local candidates, find out how you can

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Speaker 1: support them, but also what organizations are in your state

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Speaker 1: that you can be supporting to get the message out,

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Speaker 1: because I think that's where we are falling behind it.

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Speaker 1: And the NA is one of those organizations that will

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Speaker 1: do a lot when it comes to election time to

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Speaker 1: help get the message out of what the other side

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Speaker 1: is doing to take your rights away. It's hard for

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Speaker 1: us to understand when you're going through life and you're

484
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Speaker 1: in the pickup line, you're taking kids to soccer. I

485
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Speaker 1: think it's hard for the average everyday person to fully

486
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Speaker 1: understand how the state has weaponized their power against you.

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Speaker 1: And again I want to go to the fact that

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Speaker 1: these are not necessarily your legislators, but your legislators have

489
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Speaker 1: a lot of power if they are the ones that

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Speaker 1: are in the majority. To go to these agencies that

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Speaker 1: are making law. I'll go to In Michigan, I believe

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Speaker 1: it's the DNR recently made a rule that if you

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Speaker 1: are not wearing Hunters Orange and they catch you, that's

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Speaker 1: a misdemeanor and you lose your concealed carry. So why

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Speaker 1: is it the again, an agency can come in and

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Speaker 1: make a rule that ultimately can end up in you

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Speaker 1: losing your ability to carry a weapon. And why why

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Speaker 1: is that the punishment? Doesn't that seem a little bit

499
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Speaker 1: like they're going after this portion of society to make

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Speaker 1: sure weapons are gone well, and the.

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Speaker 2: ATF has come out, they changed the rule on bump stocks,

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Speaker 2: they change the rule on pistol braces. All of this,

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Speaker 2: especially based on the case that we won the Supreme

504
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Speaker 2: Court last June, is going to get overturned, but it'll

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Speaker 2: take time. Meanwhile, they're infringing on our rights the same

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Speaker 2: way with this Hunter Orange and a misdemeanor. Without that

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Speaker 2: going through the legislature. Now I'll tell you again, then

508
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Speaker 2: you should be envious of this twenty seven constitutional carry

509
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Speaker 2: states out there. The tide is turning. We have to

510
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Speaker 2: be strong. We have to win elections, and for all

511
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Speaker 2: of us that are watching, all of us that are donating,

512
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Speaker 2: it's not just at the US Senate, US Congress and

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Speaker 2: the presidential election. Our folks have to get involved at

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Speaker 2: every level, the school boards, the school the county councils,

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Speaker 2: the town councils. We've got to be involved at every

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Speaker 2: level and start changing our lives around.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what are the opportunities with these the agencies

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Speaker 1: that we're talking about. How is it that you can

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Speaker 1: get into Everybody talks about the swamp. It truly is

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Speaker 1: the bureaucracy that makes a lot of the decisions. And

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Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan we have very short term limits,

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Speaker 1: which a lot of people love the idea of term limits,

523
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Speaker 1: but I will tell you, our experience has been that

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Speaker 1: we have in experienced legislators who get pushed around by

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Speaker 1: the bureaucracy and the lobbyists, and they end up making

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Speaker 1: a lot of these decisions. So you end up with

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Speaker 1: these rules that become laws from agencies. If you are

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Speaker 1: somehow involved in I mean anything farming, in hunting, in

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Speaker 1: all of these different areas, conservation, how do you get

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Speaker 1: into the bureaucracy as well, because I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people just think, I don't want to be involved

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Speaker 1: in government. But if we don't have you involved, then

533
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Speaker 1: these people are running amuck.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it's electing the right people and getting

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Speaker 2: them in, getting the fighters in there that'll come and

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Speaker 2: take on these agencies, clean out the swamp. The absolute

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Speaker 2: best thing that could have happened to Michigan this past

538
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Speaker 2: two years is to elect Jusor Dixon for governor. We

539
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Speaker 2: miss that opportunity. Hopefully we'll get that opportunity again, but

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Speaker 2: somebody who will come in and clean out that swamp.

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Speaker 2: They're not all bad. Not all the bureaucrats are bad.

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Speaker 2: Some of them are just there they want to save

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Speaker 2: their job because the left is in charge. But a

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Speaker 2: great majority have been there just because they have the job,

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Speaker 2: and they'll enforce anything that they feel they ought to

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Speaker 2: enforce as opposed to and I think what the people stand.

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Speaker 1: For, and I think after COVID, we really got to

548
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Speaker 1: see how important the governor of your state is they

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Speaker 1: appoint a lot of the folks that are directors of

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Speaker 1: these agencies. They are taking the state in one direction

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Speaker 1: or another. Obviously we saw other things that the governor

552
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Speaker 1: has power over to keep open or shut down over COVID,

553
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Speaker 1: but really it is important that everybody get involved in elections.

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Speaker 1: So if you are out there and you're one of

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Speaker 1: those groups that just typically doesn't vote, and I've heard

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Speaker 1: from the evangelical group, so we don't like to mix

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Speaker 1: religion with politics, and the fact of the matter is

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Speaker 1: that politics can take away your religion. So I encourage

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Speaker 1: you to make sure you have people that will make

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Speaker 1: sure that that doesn't mix in the way you don't

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Speaker 1: want it to. The same with the hunting population. I've

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Speaker 1: had hunters that have said exactly what you said earlier,

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Speaker 1: which is so key. Hey, we just want to be

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Speaker 1: left alone. We just want to and you can be

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Speaker 1: left alone if you get the right people in office.

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Speaker 1: So I just wanted to make sure that people know

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Speaker 1: that even if you want to be left alone and

568
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Speaker 1: you don't love the political world, take time every couple

569
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Speaker 1: of years to research the candidates that are out there

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Speaker 1: and make sure you have somebody that is going to

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Speaker 1: be fighting on your behalf. And when you do, if

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Speaker 1: you do give money for any type of political giving,

573
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Speaker 1: just vet out that organization and ask them what are

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Speaker 1: you going to do to make sure that the truth

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Speaker 1: is out.

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Speaker 2: There, the truth gets out there, and you support what

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Speaker 2: I believe in. Freedom, Yes, the ability to be free,

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Speaker 2: the ability to live my life the way I want

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Speaker 2: to live my life in America.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Well, do you have any big

581
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Speaker 1: trainings coming up or anything that you can tell the

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Speaker 1: folks about.

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Speaker 2: Do well, I'll tell you. We have one hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty five thousand NRA certified trainers across the US teaching

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Speaker 2: firearms safety to over a million Americans each year. There

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Speaker 2: are a lot of new firearms owners out there in

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Speaker 2: this last forty eight straight months of over one million

588
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Speaker 2: firearms bought, so a lot of folks go ahead and

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Speaker 2: get that training, Go ahead and practice. You can go

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Speaker 2: to NRA dot org find a trainer near you. Other

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Speaker 2: organizations do training. Also, we also have online free hunter's

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Speaker 2: education training, so everybody's got to take advantage of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we actually have one guy who is I think

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Speaker 1: one of your NRI directors or someone Rick ectored are

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Speaker 1: you familiar with Rick.

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Speaker 2: You know, I saw I arrived at his shoot last

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Speaker 2: year the day after you were there. Oh, he just

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Speaker 2: completed again this year. It was this past weekend and

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Speaker 2: other twelve hundred women come through.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting to me because during COVID, we had

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Speaker 1: an uptick in the number of Black American women who

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Speaker 1: came to buy firearms, and now they're being trained, and

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Speaker 1: so the majority of the people that get trained at

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Speaker 1: his trainings, they are in their coming from minority neighborhoods.

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Speaker 1: And I talked to the women last year about it,

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Speaker 1: and I said, what what do you why do you

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Speaker 1: want to do this? And they said, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I want to be able to feel safe, and I

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Speaker 1: want to know that I understand how to use a weapon.

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Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people don't understand that

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Speaker 1: the people who are buying weapons today are from all

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Speaker 1: different backgrounds and they are looking to be able to

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Speaker 1: handle it safely. And they go to the NRA and

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Speaker 1: they go to aligned programs with the NRA because they

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Speaker 1: know that's going to help them to be able to

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Speaker 1: protect themselves, especially in a world that we're seeing become

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Speaker 1: more and more violent, and women need that equalizer with

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Speaker 1: this uptick.

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Speaker 2: In sales, especially during and I contend it wasn't the virus,

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Speaker 2: it was this unbelievable violence and ugliness BYNDLM. Everybody went

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Speaker 2: out and got a firearm. With the numbers that came back,

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Speaker 2: we found that it was forty percent women first time

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Speaker 2: firearms owners, forty percent Blacks, thirty eight percent Hispanic and

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Speaker 2: uptick of twenty two percent of Asians who went out

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Speaker 2: and bought firearms for the first time. And they need

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Speaker 2: the training. The program that Rick Actor set up in Detroit,

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Speaker 2: and we brought Rick along, We brought him onto the

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Speaker 2: NRA Board of Directors. One reason was because what he's

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Speaker 2: highlighted is the opportunity for women, especially minority women, to

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Speaker 2: be trained. I'm trying to encourage Rick and other folks

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Speaker 2: to spread this around, take it to other cities. We

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Speaker 2: can do this not just in Detroit, but we can

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Speaker 2: do this across the nation to give more people the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to learn firearms safety and be empowered to defend themselves.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely and has an incredible guy. We actually had him

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Speaker 1: on the podcast too. I would encourage people to go

637
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Speaker 1: back and listen to that because he has some really

638
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Speaker 1: unique stories, and just his story of why he got

639
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Speaker 1: into this was unique as well, because he had come

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Speaker 1: across a crime scene where he thought this woman might

641
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Speaker 1: have lived had she had the ability to protect herself.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that's the other message here is people,

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Speaker 1: as the society becomes increasingly more dangerous, they want to

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Speaker 1: be able to protect themselves. And anybody standing in your

645
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Speaker 1: way of protecting yourself really you need to wonder is

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Speaker 1: that person out for my best interest or is this

647
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Speaker 1: person just functioning in some radical ideology. And that's where

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Speaker 1: we are today. Too many people are stuck in the

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Speaker 1: absolute of their ideology and not seeing that there's gray

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Speaker 1: areas where people need your support. But I appreciate you

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Speaker 1: being willing to come on and talk about it. Will

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Speaker 1: ESLEI thank you so much for being with us today.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I appreciate it. Thank you, thanks for having us, thanks.

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