Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast are most definitely humans from the.
Speaker 2: Chris Wesley podcast studio. It is Around the NFL. I
Speaker 2: am Dan Hansis. I got heroes all up in this place,
Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, and the return of Patrick Claybond.
Speaker 3: Hey, Pat, what's up man?
Speaker 1: How are you does good?
Speaker 4: What's the reference with the human business?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think it's a perfect episode for Patrick because I
Speaker 2: think Claybond one of the things that makes him great
Speaker 2: on Mike and just an interesting fellow is you know,
Speaker 2: he'll he'll be a bit of a naysayer on things.
Speaker 2: He'll say this take is something people need to come
Speaker 2: down about. Now, let's talk about what's going on here
Speaker 2: in the world, because I don't think it's being talked
Speaker 2: about enough right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, and look at Patrick's reaction. He's got takes that
Speaker 1: are gonna be I think I know that beautiful mouth
Speaker 1: in just a couple of minutes, but it.
Speaker 3: Took it to a place.
Speaker 1: Yeah over here.
Speaker 2: You ever hear that meme out there? The Simpsons predicted it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen some things up that alley.
Speaker 1: How about hashtag ATM predicted it?
Speaker 2: This is a drop that was cultivated years ago, New England.
Speaker 2: I'm in the friendly I say, we trust those How
Speaker 2: great for our planet?
Speaker 1: Is it great? Oh? We thought? Then I missed the
Speaker 1: throne of sleeze. That was that's some good heat. And
Speaker 1: then and then this just happened.
Speaker 5: You say that the government is in possession of potentially
Speaker 5: non human spacecraft based on your experience and extensive conversations
Speaker 5: with experts, do you believe our government has made contact
Speaker 5: with intelligent extraterrestrials?
Speaker 6: Something I can't discuss in public.
Speaker 5: Setting, okay, and I can't ask when you think this occurred?
Speaker 5: If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier, do
Speaker 5: we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?
Speaker 6: As I've stated publicly already in my News Nation interview,
Speaker 6: biologics came with some of these recoveries.
Speaker 5: Yeah, human or non human?
Speaker 1: Biologics ask it got it?
Speaker 3: Non human?
Speaker 6: And that was the assessment of people which re acknowledge
Speaker 6: on the program I talk to that are currently still
Speaker 6: on the program.
Speaker 7: Hello, Hello, Hello, and and then talk quote this morning
Speaker 7: as I do, I wake up and I went to
Speaker 7: check New York Times, and I was like, obviously this
Speaker 7: is a major story, right, This was uh?
Speaker 2: That was David Grossch testified under oath that the US
Speaker 2: government has recovered non human biological remains from the crash
Speaker 2: side of unidentified craft. Made that revelation during questions from
Speaker 2: South Carolina's US Rep. Nancy Mason. Hi Nancy Mays at
Speaker 2: Oversay Committee hearing. I couldn't even find it on the Times, Okay,
Speaker 2: the Great Lady, the paper of record.
Speaker 1: So what's going on? It's a cover up, Clayban, What do.
Speaker 2: You got because you're I feel like you're exploding to
Speaker 2: get a take out there probably take down the whole thing.
Speaker 3: No, I mean it was the same take I had yesterday.
Speaker 3: So we have a person who has given some interviews
Speaker 3: and said some things, and then instead of answering the question,
Speaker 3: he references the interviews because he's under oath. Right, if
Speaker 3: you want to talk about like a non human biologic
Speaker 3: being on a craft that could literally be a paper
Speaker 3: airplane with an ant on it, all right, hat Like
Speaker 3: he didn't specifically say hatch, but these were extraterrestrial.
Speaker 1: I don't even know cla about this because come on
Speaker 1: the journey.
Speaker 3: So again the thing that.
Speaker 8: What's the story with this guy, I have to admit,
Speaker 8: I'm not I've learned everything about this story.
Speaker 1: That's what the government wants.
Speaker 9: A manyg is scanning the Washington Post for that.
Speaker 8: I haven't been or Andy who the guy is on Wikipedia?
Speaker 3: If the government was so motivated to stop this, would
Speaker 3: he have been able to say this in the first place.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'd say it. My antennas up a little bit on this.
Speaker 2: Why New Years would be, but even beyond like Mark
Speaker 2: and conspiracy theories and other worldly things. I mean, and
Speaker 2: I have a cousin, big dog, who's way into aliens
Speaker 2: and has been for years. He said he spotted one
Speaker 2: above his pool, his father's pool, a craft or a craft,
Speaker 2: a biologic And I said, you get the camera out.
Speaker 2: He said, Now we were in the pool, of course,
Speaker 2: But I believe him too.
Speaker 1: Something's happening here.
Speaker 3: I believe your cousin more than I believe this particular person,
Speaker 3: based on the way that they approached it.
Speaker 8: I did see our friend Jason Zumwat was asking for
Speaker 8: an apology for anyone who's ever doubted the existence of
Speaker 8: extraterrestrial bereen. And I had no context for it, because
Speaker 8: you're right, I guess this story has been buried. I
Speaker 8: think the sound drop though, is in reference to the
Speaker 8: I'm in on the plane who who is convinced that
Speaker 8: someone else on the plane was not a human? And
Speaker 8: I looked at Mark at the time and he looked skeptical.
Speaker 8: Even just assuming that we're all humans here, you didn't
Speaker 8: seem to be accepting that is the truth. This zump
Speaker 8: drop actually came in when Greg made a reference like
Speaker 8: these players are humans. So this has been holstered for
Speaker 8: a bit and just kind of works.
Speaker 9: Yeah, although it works on this level too, works on
Speaker 9: multiple levels, like any good zumwhell drop and.
Speaker 1: Not for nothing scored in my right.
Speaker 2: Kind of a classic alien move to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: it could be an ant.
Speaker 1: On a paper airplane.
Speaker 2: Classic alien move again in Hiding Insight, if I had
Speaker 2: evidence of extraterrestrial intelligent life and somebody asked about it,
Speaker 2: I would answer the question right like.
Speaker 8: There could be repercussions too, but it's only a repercussions
Speaker 8: if you're lying right.
Speaker 3: If there's repercussions, then why would he be there at
Speaker 3: the first plo Or if you're telling the truth, let's
Speaker 3: stick a pin in it, Okay? If you want people
Speaker 3: to know. Tell everybody like mister alien man, like, don't
Speaker 3: go on News Nation.
Speaker 2: I think, like maybe it doesn't feel safe because this
Speaker 2: is that big, you know what I mean, Like there are.
Speaker 4: Not a small story.
Speaker 9: If it's true, it's a large story, and it's gonna change.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's still like we'll still be talking about
Speaker 9: Patrick mahomes all for the next three months.
Speaker 2: But well, Barbenheimer, it's like, how about we check out
Speaker 2: what's happening in these hearings.
Speaker 3: I'm all, we're not We're not silencing this on ATM.
Speaker 3: We're ready for the discussion. We're not a part of anything.
Speaker 8: We're leading the show with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. That was important to lead the show if
Speaker 3: you want to be able to believe. Society has developed
Speaker 3: technology to travel faster than the speed of light. They
Speaker 3: came all the way to Earth and they're like, oh no,
Speaker 3: the carburetor and they like struggle and our like go
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna do this. I knew it.
Speaker 8: Well, you were logical.
Speaker 3: They figured everything out except oxygen. They're like, whoa, what
Speaker 3: is this? Like, h this is too much gravity?
Speaker 9: Oh god, Mark, I I I believe I tend to Uh,
Speaker 9: I'm open minded.
Speaker 4: I'd say vastly open minded to the and.
Speaker 8: I feel like you're you're not even in. You're closed
Speaker 8: minded to anyone that's closed minded. I mean you, I
Speaker 8: feel like you're in, You're in. You don't you don't
Speaker 8: like it if someone else is closed minded, I I
Speaker 8: would say hard.
Speaker 9: On one side, I think there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 9: out there in the past that is a little fugeesy
Speaker 9: in terms of people wanting like to project false ideas
Speaker 9: and stuff. But like, did the idea, the idea that
Speaker 9: they were the only thing that's in the entire universe
Speaker 9: is absurd to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm definitely not saying that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I'm with you there.
Speaker 1: I just live off the fence. Rosenthal.
Speaker 3: I listened to what that guy said, and I don't
Speaker 3: believe that guy. That's all I'm saying. There's there's an
Speaker 3: issue with that.
Speaker 1: Well that's your Uh, yeah, you're right and you're not.
Speaker 2: You're had in agreement, greg But you don't know about
Speaker 2: that because they've been hiding the story.
Speaker 1: In this hearing, we got it.
Speaker 4: It's got to get.
Speaker 1: Like Gregson, the conspiracy runs deep.
Speaker 4: I like to see that you're open minded.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 4: I thought maybe you'd be on the other side.
Speaker 2: And think about that, because usually this would be something
Speaker 2: you think that I would poo poo, Right, But the
Speaker 2: fact that Zeuser is on this yep, got Daddy Rich
Speaker 2: in the corner.
Speaker 9: I can't convince you that Learvey Hoswold might have had
Speaker 9: a little help. But it's on this front.
Speaker 2: Ear had a great angle from the sixth floor and
Speaker 2: says he was built different, that he had momentum, and
Speaker 2: he was cooking that like tweets from nineteen sixty. I mean,
Speaker 2: terribly terrible would happened in Dallas, but sure it was
Speaker 2: an assassin that had a good day.
Speaker 9: Officially tracked is like a terrible shot in the Marines.
Speaker 9: But that's fine. Suddenly, I'm sure he worked on an
Speaker 9: into spare time.
Speaker 1: You know it happens.
Speaker 3: Blonde squirrel, blond squirrel.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the news. This is even crazier,
Speaker 2: I think than what we just talked about. Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: and the Jets agreed to a new two year, seventy
Speaker 2: five million guaranteed contract running through next year.
Speaker 1: Hell Raiser had this Roger is taking Can I just
Speaker 1: tell you how weird.
Speaker 2: The last few months have been as a Jets fan,
Speaker 2: and I'm waiting for the football to get pulled out
Speaker 2: while also being more optimistic than I've ever been about
Speaker 2: an incoming season.
Speaker 1: It's I'm very you know, it's clashing obviously.
Speaker 2: Internally, but everything that's come out has been good news,
Speaker 2: and this is the latest good news.
Speaker 1: Rogers took a pay cut of roughly thirty five.
Speaker 2: Million dollars, And just to put that in perspective, Saquon
Speaker 2: Barkley just signed that fugazi deal with the Giants, who
Speaker 2: wouldn't play ball for him trying to get an extra million,
Speaker 2: Like He's like, I'm gonna give up the rights to
Speaker 2: get this franchise tag used on me this year, so
Speaker 2: maybe I could hit incentives that get me an extra
Speaker 2: mill and get me to eleven. Rogers took a pay
Speaker 2: cut of roughly thirty five million as his previous deal
Speaker 2: at nearly one hundred and ten million guaranteed remaining per
Speaker 2: Pela Sero, and a lot of the money is comes
Speaker 2: due next season with skip for Rodgers more reason to
Speaker 2: play a second season, which alleviates some others. Here Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers talking a little bit about his situation.
Speaker 10: The team gave up significant pieces for just to be
Speaker 10: a one year deal.
Speaker 11: I'm aware of that.
Speaker 10: I think there was an awareness of that. Now again,
Speaker 10: anything can happen with my body or with the success
Speaker 10: we have this year. But I'm having a blast, so
Speaker 10: I don't really see this as a one year and
Speaker 10: done thing.
Speaker 2: Mark part of this feels like the biggest setup of
Speaker 2: all time for Jets fans because right now it's like
Speaker 2: everything seems great.
Speaker 1: I'm the same.
Speaker 2: And then we learned a day later that Dalvin Cook
Speaker 2: is visiting with the team and they could be very
Speaker 2: close on a deal, and they have all this extra
Speaker 2: money now laying around.
Speaker 1: It's wild.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean this happened right after we wrapped yesterday's episode.
Speaker 9: In that episode, we were praising Justin Herbert for taking
Speaker 9: just a little bit less than he might have in
Speaker 9: his deal, and then this came out and I read
Speaker 9: this well driving and nearly went off the highway because
Speaker 9: I don't there's no experience like this where a player
Speaker 9: took this kind of a haircut, a chop.
Speaker 4: No, no, I know.
Speaker 9: But it's also I think it's just to your point,
Speaker 9: like it's I'm finding it. It's a Shore to be
Speaker 9: cynical about the Jets, and I've long been cynical about
Speaker 9: Sean Payton will disagree.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's fine.
Speaker 9: I've long been cynical about Aaron Rodgers, and I'm I'm
Speaker 9: struggling with that. And it's like we're months removed from
Speaker 9: like everyone poking fun at him for going, you know,
Speaker 9: into a dark, cubby blow earth, but he came out
Speaker 9: happier than ever. Uh and with a healthy disdain for
Speaker 9: materialism that completely helps and changes the Jets next two seasons.
Speaker 4: So what's not to like about this?
Speaker 8: It was so surprising that I, you know, my immediate
Speaker 8: reaction was confusion and trying to find out what are
Speaker 8: the details because this doesn't make like.
Speaker 1: Is it fake? Is it one of those yeah?
Speaker 2: Is there?
Speaker 8: Is there more to the story? Is like Woody Johnson
Speaker 8: offering like a wink wink, not not, Hey, you want
Speaker 8: to get into big pharma? It's nice On the other side, Like,
Speaker 8: I don't know, And so I did some research trying
Speaker 8: to like figure it out because you asked if it
Speaker 8: ever happened before. Drew Brees took a pretty significant pakeup
Speaker 8: very late in his career when he didn't have to
Speaker 8: with guaranteed money. His play was declining in a way
Speaker 8: that Rogers wasn't, and it wasn't this big over two years,
Speaker 8: so that that's the only thing that would be even close.
Speaker 8: And I did some research and one thing I didn't
Speaker 8: realize is he actually gave up the guaranteed money for
Speaker 8: twenty twenty four, which was forty seven million. Most of
Speaker 8: this really actually back in April or May when this
Speaker 8: thing happened. No one noticed when they restructured it back then,
Speaker 8: actually he had already given up the twenty twenty four
Speaker 8: guaranteed money, which you know, I did find some analysis
Speaker 8: at the time the few people that did it, and
Speaker 8: they were like really surprised, because actually was really surprising
Speaker 8: back then too. I mean my takeaway was just like
Speaker 8: he didn't he didn't have to do this. We know
Speaker 8: that almost certainly he's The plan is he's going to
Speaker 8: be there two years. That's my big least biggest takeaway.
Speaker 8: And and it's strange in part this year because like
Speaker 8: they're not really gonna spend that money this year, so
Speaker 8: it's not just about helping the jets it. I don't know.
Speaker 8: I am sort of at a loss, at a loss
Speaker 8: on it.
Speaker 2: It's about spighting the Packers and the Jets this year.
Speaker 9: So I do think I do think it's like I
Speaker 9: don't think it's just simply that, But I agree with
Speaker 9: you Patrick that it's trying I think pr yeah, to
Speaker 9: set the table for a couple things, because to your point, Dan,
Speaker 9: like if the whole season goes south and he's making
Speaker 9: that much money and they gave up assets for him
Speaker 9: and you don't get the version of Aaron Rodgers that
Speaker 9: you thought you would, I mean, it will turn so ugly.
Speaker 9: But there's so much good will right now that even
Speaker 9: if it takes till next season for everything to kind
Speaker 9: of gel, there's more patience around it. And I do
Speaker 9: think it's a hey, Green Bay, you kept twisting and
Speaker 9: twisting the knife, and now I'm somewhere where I'm happy
Speaker 9: and I'm refreshed, and this is the version of me.
Speaker 8: But he got out that guaranteed money from then he's
Speaker 8: he also squeezed the knife to get that three year
Speaker 8: one hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 4: They draft a Prosser, and I think that was that
Speaker 4: was more than the money.
Speaker 9: It was like, you're it's a disrespect that, like the
Speaker 9: Jets are like, we're all in on you, he's all
Speaker 9: in on them, and.
Speaker 3: In that it kind of the Packers kind of get
Speaker 3: it both ways. From well, Mike, my my question would
Speaker 3: be like how somebody who was going through a contract
Speaker 3: situation with the Packers in that time frame might feel about,
Speaker 3: like how does Davante feel about this circumstance? But like,
Speaker 3: because I was looking at spow track spotwreck, I don't
Speaker 3: know how to say it, shout out to the dude,
Speaker 3: but it was a forty point three dead cap hit
Speaker 3: for the Packers and he's just going to account for
Speaker 3: twenty six million combined over the next two years for
Speaker 3: the Jets, and.
Speaker 8: It's going to help them planning their twenty twenty four season,
Speaker 8: no doubt.
Speaker 3: That's like, I don't I don't know what other explanation
Speaker 3: there is, Like unless Aaron has just decided like to
Speaker 3: forego worldliness.
Speaker 8: Well, he's also made I mean thirty seven million. He's
Speaker 8: made a ton of money and how much money do
Speaker 8: you do you need? But how did they get to
Speaker 8: that number?
Speaker 1: How did it? Even?
Speaker 8: No kids go there? You know, kids are expensive, they
Speaker 8: can be God.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I mentioned Dalvin Cook, the running back Dan the
Speaker 2: light just went it out obvious. I've been solo datting
Speaker 2: it this week and it's starting to pile up a
Speaker 2: little bit.
Speaker 1: Running backdam Lea.
Speaker 2: Cook is flying to New York today Thursday to visit
Speaker 2: with the Jets this weekend.
Speaker 1: Pel Rays are reported.
Speaker 2: Since Davin Cook's released from Minnesota, the Jets have been
Speaker 2: one club rumored to be interested in the four time
Speaker 2: All pro Breese Hall on the pup list right now.
Speaker 2: They think the world of Hall in terms of his future,
Speaker 2: but things are a little murky right now coming off
Speaker 2: the acl tair, so it makes a lot of sense
Speaker 2: to me. That would just pump up expectations and excitement
Speaker 2: even more. Greg there's a rival in the AFC East
Speaker 2: that also is in play here potentially.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the Patriots are also reportedly in the mix, So
Speaker 8: DeVante Adams might be kind of being like wondering what's
Speaker 8: up with that Aaron Rodgers country, But Dalvin Cook's loving it.
Speaker 8: They got a little extra money now, there's a couple
Speaker 8: of teams bidding for him, and I have an assignment
Speaker 8: this month of the twenty twenty four free agents starting
Speaker 8: the early list on that and you one one thing
Speaker 8: that's not helping these running backs. I realized this year
Speaker 8: and thinking long term, is the outrageous free agent class
Speaker 8: next year of running backs, Like everyone's up. I think
Speaker 8: that's part of the reason it's down. Saquon, Jonathan Taylor,
Speaker 8: Josh Jacobs, Austin Eckler, Derrick Henry, JK. Dobbins, AJ Dillon,
Speaker 8: Tony Pollard, I could go on. So it's like, that's
Speaker 8: that's partly why running backs haven't been paid. But maybe
Speaker 8: Dalvin Cook could be the exception.
Speaker 2: Now, let's because this is kind of connected to the Jets,
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Sean Payton, who man Sean Payton's feeling good.
Speaker 2: He spoke with USA today and he was in a
Speaker 2: chatty mood. He was a real chatty Kathy Jarret Bell
Speaker 2: will give him the pop here. He did the conversation
Speaker 2: and then wrote a fairly explosive story.
Speaker 1: Here are the details.
Speaker 2: Peyton called the work Nathaniel Hackett, who's now the OC
Speaker 2: of the Jets and close to Aaron Rodgers, kind of
Speaker 2: helped lead to that situation coming together in Jersey. But
Speaker 2: Peyton called the work of Hackett and his staff what
Speaker 2: they did with the twenty twenty two Broncos quote one
Speaker 2: of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 1: Is this something that ever happens either?
Speaker 2: This coach on coach violence and said there were quote
Speaker 2: twenty dirty hands around quarterback Russell Wilson's career worst season
Speaker 2: when he led the league. He took fifty five sacks
Speaker 2: through just sixteen touchdown passes. The team cratered, obviously, and
Speaker 2: Peyton summed up the experience of what happened last year
Speaker 2: to this year. Everything I heard about last season where
Speaker 2: doing the opposite. I'mna I'm gonna gregy, Like I said,
Speaker 2: you don't usually see coaches go after each other. Peyton
Speaker 2: does also mention he doesn't even know Hackett, which made
Speaker 2: it easier, I'm sure to fire off these shots.
Speaker 1: Very interesting, Yeah, he says.
Speaker 8: It doesn't happen often where an NFL team organization gets embarrassed,
Speaker 8: and that's what happened here. He said. They spent so
Speaker 8: much ef and time trying to win the offseason, the
Speaker 8: pr the pomp and the circumstance, marching people around and
Speaker 8: all this stuff, which I gotta say we kind of
Speaker 8: got on them last about U as well.
Speaker 1: You were very big.
Speaker 2: We pointed out that Hackett was in awe of Russell
Speaker 2: Wilson and that opening press conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed a little bit weird.
Speaker 4: Well it was entertaining, but they it became very non entertaining.
Speaker 8: There was like a three, you know, and it was
Speaker 8: great that we got this access. But there was an
Speaker 8: interview on NFL Network a couple weeks into the season
Speaker 8: with Hackett and Wilson together where it was like, this
Speaker 8: is how we all came together, and they were just
Speaker 8: not reading the temple Russell Wilson at that point, it
Speaker 8: was already going.
Speaker 4: Down here, very exciting.
Speaker 8: I loved I love this though, like it reminds me
Speaker 8: of another Peyton story this offseason. I don't know if
Speaker 8: you saw that video that went around.
Speaker 1: Around the draft.
Speaker 8: He was yeah, yeah, So I'm just saying, when have
Speaker 8: I said some of the things that I regret the
Speaker 8: most in my life? When are my words a little
Speaker 8: looser than others, maybe like like the real deal, even
Speaker 8: a little like harder ed cynical words come out sometimes
Speaker 8: in that situation. So I'm not I'm just connecting dots here.
Speaker 8: Maybe maybe maybe you can connect them.
Speaker 9: Do you think during this interview that maybe I mean
Speaker 9: I have It's not a little loose. It's a tugging cheek.
Speaker 9: But yes, yes, have you ever been Colorado times?
Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying. Sometimes like the truth, or maybe
Speaker 8: even worse than the truth, comes out where you're just
Speaker 8: trying to like like bury people.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know that it's that spicy.
Speaker 2: I feel like the things that he said, can I
Speaker 2: give you a little bit more? Just a little bit more?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: So then after all that, and then he directly goes
Speaker 2: after another team, which is the Jets, which is, by
Speaker 2: the way, and probably not a coincidence where Hackett is now.
Speaker 2: He mentioned like, we're not marching around people and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. We're not doing any of that. The Jets
Speaker 2: did that this year. You watch hard Knocks, all of it.
Speaker 2: I can see it coming.
Speaker 8: And then this is where he really started, like.
Speaker 2: Should before we get Clay bounds thoughts, let's here Robert Sala. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he meets with the press of training camp uh in
Speaker 2: Flora Park and he's asked about his team getting buried
Speaker 2: by Peyton somewhere in Colorado.
Speaker 11: Well, I'm not gonna acknowledge Sean on that is he
Speaker 11: you know, he's been the league while he can say
Speaker 11: whatever the hell he wants. But uh, but as far
Speaker 11: as you know what we have going on here, it's
Speaker 11: I love this, you know the I kind of lived
Speaker 11: by the same. If you ain't got no haters, you
Speaker 11: ain't popping so hate a way, oh something right, if
Speaker 11: you don't talk about us when we don't play it
Speaker 11: till week four, you know, but five. Oh, the guys
Speaker 11: in the locker room, they've earned everything that's coming to
Speaker 11: them and really excited about what's going on. I think
Speaker 11: Hacket's doing a phenomenal job here him, the coaching staff
Speaker 11: is doing a phenomenal job. And and we're focused on us.
Speaker 11: I get it. There's a lot of external noise. There's
Speaker 11: a lot of people who are hating on us. There's
Speaker 11: a lot of people looking for us to fail. There's
Speaker 11: a lot of crows peccinget or neck. But all you
Speaker 11: can do is spread your wings, keep flying high until
Speaker 11: those crows fall off and suffocate from the inability to breathe.
Speaker 11: Another joke.
Speaker 9: Anyway, this is the coach that didn't want to be
Speaker 9: on hard knocks. It's gonna be like one of the
Speaker 9: better hard knocks. So soliloquies of all.
Speaker 3: Time, right, now you can hear the Hard Knocks music
Speaker 3: going on exactly exactly. Patrick, your thoughts, Uh, that was
Speaker 3: wasn't all this the reason that coach Sala didn't want
Speaker 3: to do Hard Knocks?
Speaker 8: Like that he was he was kind of like he's
Speaker 8: kind of on Peyton's corner.
Speaker 3: He was like a distraction truther about like the way
Speaker 3: this and so Sean Payton's saying what Robert Sala initially
Speaker 3: said before Hard Knocks, like he just mentioned the Jets,
Speaker 3: and like the conversation around Sewn.
Speaker 1: Is very loose, and he was shooting from the hip,
Speaker 1: it seemed.
Speaker 3: I don't think he said like Robert Sala and the
Speaker 3: Jets are going to do a bad job or anything
Speaker 3: like he believes in this. I guess myth that, like
Speaker 3: do you watch he said makes you play bad or something?
Speaker 9: I like, I love this phrase marching people around and
Speaker 9: all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Guys, you watch, I can see it coming.
Speaker 2: He's saying that Jets are gonna flop this year because
Speaker 2: of the things that they're doing.
Speaker 9: I think I think I think part of it because
Speaker 9: you know, Sean Payton, who was a pupil of Bill Parcells,
Speaker 9: who was a master of this kind of stuff. Part
Speaker 9: of it is like he's looking at a locker room
Speaker 9: in which Russell Wilson essentially lost the team year ago.
Speaker 9: I mean, beyond all the fire of what he's saying,
Speaker 9: I think he's trying to reset the table and be like,
Speaker 9: we've got to believe in our quarterback a little bit.
Speaker 9: There are reasons beyond Russell Wilson that this team was
Speaker 9: an epic disaster last year, and I think from a
Speaker 9: coaching angle, he saw malfeasance, just an absolute loss of responsibility.
Speaker 9: And when we watched the Broncos, I mean literally that
Speaker 9: stadium was booing them because of time management.
Speaker 2: They had more pre snap penalties and fractions, they couldn't
Speaker 2: even get a play and all that was true.
Speaker 1: I mean he's just saying that's all over crazy that Peyton.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a guy that's very confident in himself
Speaker 2: and is known as kind of a dude that will,
Speaker 2: you know, not afraid to stick his chest out. It's
Speaker 2: in that old Parcels mode that you'd be so public
Speaker 2: about it. But I think maybe he's trying to rebrand
Speaker 2: the Broncos after a very humbling year.
Speaker 1: And I don't hate on it. I just would you know.
Speaker 8: Now it's file like we're doing you know, fun NFL
Speaker 8: rivalries later. I mean Broncos Jets is now on my list.
Speaker 1: Hey in Salah.
Speaker 2: By the way, Salah would kill Peyton in a physical battle.
Speaker 2: That's true at midfield.
Speaker 8: I love that Peyton's giving me like late career parcels
Speaker 8: with the Cowboys and then Dolphins vibes, except like he
Speaker 8: goes out and has fun and doesn't seem like miserable
Speaker 8: off the fields. It's an exciting combination.
Speaker 3: Like That's the thing though, And that's why I point out,
Speaker 3: like the whole distraction truther thing doesn't mean anything because
Speaker 3: like Sean Payton has been at the center of so
Speaker 3: many distractions. Ye, like Sean Payton had a bio pick
Speaker 3: two years ago, Like he knows that this whole like, oh,
Speaker 3: people paying attention makes you bad. Like no, like Sean
Speaker 3: Payton knows that you execute, you put guys in the
Speaker 3: right situation, you're gonna win football game. And he just
Speaker 3: likes doing this. And Bill Parcells loved attention too.
Speaker 1: Yes right, yeah, yes, yeah, he doesn't remember remember when.
Speaker 2: Even when Sean Payton was forced out of the league
Speaker 2: by bounty gate, he made sure there was a giant
Speaker 2: poster of Sean Payton's face in the practice bubble and
Speaker 2: that ensuing season without script, do your job on it.
Speaker 2: Even then he was like, this is gonna be about me.
Speaker 2: He likes it.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are almost signed up for it in
Speaker 1: part right.
Speaker 4: These are not ego free individuals.
Speaker 9: These are not uh you know, you're external power based,
Speaker 9: ego heavy dudes who liked I think this is I
Speaker 9: love that. It's July twenty seventh and this is the
Speaker 9: kind of spice.
Speaker 8: Yestetting and I don't want to hear. I saw some
Speaker 8: things like has this ever happened? Where coaches coming at
Speaker 8: each other and stuff? And it's like, I can't think
Speaker 8: of anything recently. But when you read the old like
Speaker 8: historic football books, like they used to go at each
Speaker 8: other so much more because it didn't get as much
Speaker 8: attention where they would be talking trash like crazy about
Speaker 8: other teams, players, other teams, coaches, coaches going at each other.
Speaker 8: Let's bring that.
Speaker 9: I may have one for you during our segment. Oh good, Oh,
Speaker 9: And I guess that reminded me of this, just to
Speaker 9: put a bow on it.
Speaker 1: Having seen Nathaniel Hackett with his two daughters, leaving Las
Speaker 1: Vegas after he took them to the Taylor Swift Show.
Speaker 1: Kind of feel bad for him.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well he's getting your.
Speaker 2: Wait, absolutely say, he's just trying to like restart his career. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you got this goon and Denver just bringing it
Speaker 2: back up and dragging him through the mud.
Speaker 4: Just like us.
Speaker 9: We woke up and learned that these quotes were available
Speaker 9: available to the public, and so did he and we
Speaker 9: got to have ruined this morning.
Speaker 8: It's like Hackett's like, what are they Like, he's checking
Speaker 8: Rotor World and he's like, well, they change the site,
Speaker 8: but like which one is the player?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 8: And what did they say?
Speaker 2: It's like, who's that on the grassy null? Only got
Speaker 2: is Sean Payton, but I don't even know him. He's
Speaker 2: also reading that at his job, you know that he has.
Speaker 3: There's plenty of coaches that did not have all of
Speaker 3: these things happen and they are currently not employed.
Speaker 9: So he's definitely more upset about the rebranding of Roto World,
Speaker 9: which has been confusing for all of us.
Speaker 1: Look, we're working through it.
Speaker 2: Jim Mersey, another guy who likes to talk the owner
Speaker 2: of the cults all the drama about running backs not
Speaker 2: getting their due, running backs doing text chains, running backs
Speaker 2: doing zoom meetings, running backs leaving their teams without signing
Speaker 2: their franchise tag, and URSA is like what Even his
Speaker 2: own running back, Jonathan Taylor has been very vocal about
Speaker 2: wanting a new deal, and Ersay had this to say
Speaker 2: of the big storyline, we have negotiated a CBA that
Speaker 2: took years of effort and hard work and compromise in
Speaker 2: good faith by both sides, wrote Wednesday, and social media
Speaker 2: to say now that a specific player category wants another
Speaker 2: negotiation after the fact is inappropriate. Some agents are selling
Speaker 2: bad faith. Greg, do you agree.
Speaker 8: No, because cbas are changed on the fly. I just
Speaker 8: teed you up to destroy agents again this when I'm
Speaker 8: on the agent's side, I guess. I mean, I think
Speaker 8: he was responding not to Jonathan Taylor's specific situation, But
Speaker 8: Jonathan Taylor has been vocal. He seems as upset with
Speaker 8: his contract situation as any running back out there, and
Speaker 8: so that's that's part of this. But I actually think
Speaker 8: ers was responding to Naje Harris spoke about that maybe
Speaker 8: they could adjust away the franchise tag for running backs
Speaker 8: and adjustments do happen to the CBA actually before they
Speaker 8: like re sign the whole thing, so that the idea
Speaker 8: that they're bringing this up as a potential solution is
Speaker 8: definitely not inappropriate. And I think Ers just needs to work.
Speaker 8: Like he's never that, his tweets are never clear. He
Speaker 8: needs someone, he needs an editor.
Speaker 9: Well, he used to always reference his administrative assistant to
Speaker 9: reach out and you know, do trivia and all this
Speaker 9: stuff with her. This, like the whole running back situation,
Speaker 9: I'm starting to get the topic is starting to become
Speaker 9: tiresome because there's nothing new to say about it. It
Speaker 9: starts to make me I just feel like they maybe
Speaker 9: they need to find a way to truly make a difference,
Speaker 9: because it's like, you know, there wants a bunch of
Speaker 9: angry British people who decided to leave England for the
Speaker 9: new world. Like what if every running back banded together
Speaker 9: and say we're out of here, Like every running back
Speaker 9: leaves every roster and it's like, go play a football
Speaker 9: season with no running backs.
Speaker 4: Let's see how that works.
Speaker 3: It's do they have the power and capability to do that?
Speaker 4: Like unfortunately, well just don't show up to work.
Speaker 3: For Jonathan Taylor for sake, on Barkley, Like the solution
Speaker 3: to all of these things aren't going to happen in
Speaker 3: the span of their careers, right, Yeah, Like for the
Speaker 3: rookie wage scale went in in twenty eleven, Like Jonathan
Speaker 3: Taylor may have been thirteen years old at that point.
Speaker 3: Like these things happen on these giant glacial time frames,
Speaker 3: and so like the average length of the NFL career
Speaker 3: has shortened since that CBA, right, and it continues to
Speaker 3: get shorter, And if you don't play as long, then
Speaker 3: you're not going to have as much opportunity over time.
Speaker 3: And and so like the most recent CBA, I think
Speaker 3: passed by sixty votes. It wasn't like a slam dunk
Speaker 3: that they got this deal done, and so like that's
Speaker 3: why I was looking back at Saquon, like what were
Speaker 3: his actual options like for him in twenty twenty three?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 3: I think that's what some guys are gonna have to
Speaker 3: ask themselves because the solutions might not exist while they're
Speaker 3: still playing.
Speaker 8: Right I mentioned all those free agents. This topic is
Speaker 8: tirre to my agree, Mark, and it's not going away.
Speaker 8: I think it's going to be cranked up next year
Speaker 8: with all those free agents. I did want to Jonathan
Speaker 8: Taylor's agent responded to that tweet, bad faith is not
Speaker 8: paying your top offensive player. So this is something where
Speaker 8: like the loose lips I guess of earthsa here is
Speaker 8: creating a issue.
Speaker 1: Even if it's not about his running back.
Speaker 2: If it's the owner of the Colts saying this, of course,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor's gonna be like, huh and and hey, JT.
Speaker 2: Just so you know, and I like you. I think
Speaker 2: you have a big bounce back season perhaps coming up.
Speaker 2: If that ankle is healthy, You're not getting extended. Because
Speaker 2: Chris Ballard then followed up the GM of the Colts,
Speaker 2: we're coming off a four win season. We have a
Speaker 2: new coaching staff, so we kind of let it play
Speaker 2: out as it does and make those decisions when we
Speaker 2: need to make those decisions.
Speaker 1: So tough sitch, tough.
Speaker 3: Stitch, maybe he should play have a great season. If
Speaker 3: the Colts make the playoffs, maybe Jonathan Taylor should say,
Speaker 3: all right, see you.
Speaker 1: Guys, he's real. Finally eight o'clock delight, Greg Oh shoot.
Speaker 8: JK. Dobbins is on the pup list. But John Harbaugh
Speaker 8: and his sneaky John Harbaugh way kind of made it obvious.
Speaker 8: It might be a holdout situation that you gotta ask JK.
Speaker 1: Nice, You're not gonna contract any other about.
Speaker 8: Buddha Baker is in camp, got a little extra money,
Speaker 8: got an incentive, so no hold out there. Cowboys safety
Speaker 8: Donovan Wilson is out four to six weeks. He just
Speaker 8: got paid to Jalen Ramsey got carted off the field
Speaker 8: in Dolphins Cape. We don't know too much about that,
Speaker 8: but it's a little scary.
Speaker 1: Yikes.
Speaker 8: Trey Hendrickson trigg a tray of Saints. Fien gets a
Speaker 8: one year tacked onto his career, and then John Ross
Speaker 8: the number nine overall pick.
Speaker 1: Of what draft was that twenty seventeen yep.
Speaker 8: One pick ahead of Patrick mahone owl. He pointed that out,
Speaker 8: Sorry to take your name.
Speaker 1: No, that's what she was ready to fire though, No.
Speaker 9: That I mean that's Dutch draft had very few wide receivers.
Speaker 9: He was the only one in the first round. Cooper
Speaker 9: Cuplan in the third though.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a classic redraft scenario.
Speaker 4: It's good first round in general, but not for the Bengals.
Speaker 8: We never did the real redraft.
Speaker 2: Nice exercise, that's what's happening. In the news. We'll be
Speaker 2: right back right before we get to our conversation piece today,
Speaker 2: which is our favorite rivalries heading into twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: Let's start with, as promised, long teased, Mark, our conversation
Speaker 2: on the Netflix series Quarterback, the eight part series Omaha Productions.
Speaker 2: It's Peyton Manning. He's the executive producer of this project
Speaker 2: in conjunction with NFL.
Speaker 8: Kind of on fire, like he does this nice job.
Speaker 8: Does the podcast set you building something quietly?
Speaker 1: And what is Quarterbacks? If you haven't watched our Quarterback?
Speaker 2: It is a study of three professional passers in the
Speaker 2: NFL at different levels in their career, Patrick Mahomes, the
Speaker 2: Great Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins of the Vikings, and Marcus
Speaker 2: Mariota in his final season with the Falcons.
Speaker 1: So let's get into it.
Speaker 9: Mark, Well, no, all right, so, uh you know, Well,
Speaker 9: to be real with you, I told you that I knew.
Speaker 9: I was on vacation with family last week. Yes, and
Speaker 9: I went the minute this started to percolate and everyone's
Speaker 9: talking about I'm getting DMS about this show, it's like, Oh,
Speaker 9: I'm like just like, well, no, I'm hoping. I'm hoping
Speaker 9: that you guys discussed it while it was gone, because
Speaker 9: it's like I don't have the bandwidth to watch eight
Speaker 9: episodes right now on the on this vacation or suddenly
Speaker 9: do it all in one day. And I just decided
Speaker 9: I made this decision. Uh well a couple things like
Speaker 9: I just made the decision. One point, I'm not doing it,
Speaker 9: no harm, no foul, I'm happy for Peyton Manny. I'm
Speaker 9: just not going to do it. And this like wave
Speaker 9: of freedom came over me. But I did add it
Speaker 9: to my list of you know, everyone's these shows that
Speaker 9: everyone's telling me I have to go watch that I have.
Speaker 9: It's here, It's somewhere on this list. I will watch Quarterback,
Speaker 9: after the Wire Breaking, Bad Better Call, Saul, Big Love,
Speaker 9: The Shield, Deadwood, Dexter, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Freaks and Geeks,
Speaker 9: then Quarterback. And I'm not gonna I want you to
Speaker 9: feel free to discuss this wonderful series the way that
Speaker 9: you wish. So I'm gonna hard out of this series
Speaker 9: of this conversation, but I want to leave you with
Speaker 9: Connor Orr's comments from a couple of days ago about this,
Speaker 9: because this is what sent me on this journey of
Speaker 9: not caring.
Speaker 2: By the way, Later this week, we will offer some
Speaker 2: of our thoughts about Quarterback, the Netflix series that evolves
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes prominently. Have you been watching that, Connor.
Speaker 12: No, because I think ninety of that is just terrible.
Speaker 12: Both like it's just like like all this stuff about
Speaker 12: like all inside the mind of a quarterback, like he
Speaker 12: memorizes plays and throws the ball and it's like, yeah, man,
Speaker 12: and we work hard at what we have to do,
Speaker 12: like we're all amazing, all.
Speaker 1: Right, enjoy it all right?
Speaker 8: And Mark Mark marks out taking off is a big
Speaker 8: spectacle of himself about this. It seems he's left the
Speaker 8: cat computer. He's gonna have to come back for the segment.
Speaker 3: But the door closes slowly, so like it was awkward?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry because again I said on the other show,
Speaker 2: like I am I just a goober for being into
Speaker 2: this content?
Speaker 1: Is it a cool thing not to watch? Like to
Speaker 1: watch this? No, I think he's gotten maybe is it
Speaker 1: edgy to skip out on this?
Speaker 8: No, I think it's gotten different reactions. But I think
Speaker 8: it's got a lot of fans. It's done by NFL.
Speaker 1: I sure lock them calorbacks can't watch watch this show.
Speaker 8: Did NFL Films make it or they just use the
Speaker 8: NFL films.
Speaker 1: It wasn't clear to me.
Speaker 3: It has a very the aesthetic, right, and of course
Speaker 3: if you use NFL Films footage, it's going to have that,
Speaker 3: But there's something about it that feels rather hard knocks.
Speaker 8: I mean, they they produced it, they were one of
Speaker 8: the three productions.
Speaker 1: They were definitely part of it.
Speaker 2: But it's if just to give you because you know,
Speaker 2: I was doing some research on it and NFL Films
Speaker 2: wasn't actively promoting it in this same way that Omaha
Speaker 2: Productions Twitter.
Speaker 1: Handle is promoted. It doesn't really matter. We're in the
Speaker 1: weeds a little bit.
Speaker 2: So while Mark is taking his break, I want to
Speaker 2: share my thoughts on it because I loved it from
Speaker 2: the perspective of learning more about Mahomes and cousins, and
Speaker 2: I thought that was really interesting. Some of the other stuff,
Speaker 2: the structure of it. It was maybe familiar to other
Speaker 2: programs you watched in the past, but I think Mahomes,
Speaker 2: I'll start with Mahomes and curious what you guys think, Like,
Speaker 2: I found him to be so interesting and how unassuming
Speaker 2: he is. There's nothing for a guy that has had
Speaker 2: the level of success and the greatness. There's nothing that
Speaker 2: feels like mythological about him or awe inspiring. The way
Speaker 2: he walks, his talk, he talks, his stature, the way
Speaker 2: he carries himself.
Speaker 1: He's not like.
Speaker 2: There was a moment in the when they get into
Speaker 2: the AFC title game and they show Burrow walking in
Speaker 2: and he's all swaggy and he just has this look
Speaker 2: and this aura about him. Mahomes to me, doesn't have that,
Speaker 2: and yet he out there and he is arguably on
Speaker 2: pace to be the greatest quarterback ever. So I thought
Speaker 2: it was kind of cool, how to see someone this special.
Speaker 1: Yeah uh be.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say normal, because there's nothing normal
Speaker 2: about Patrick Mahomes, but seemed like a relatable, regular dude
Speaker 2: and not It's almost it was kind of jarring to
Speaker 2: me to see him not be this bigger than life
Speaker 2: figure in the context that we get to know him
Speaker 2: in the show.
Speaker 8: He carries being Patrick Mahomes pretty lightly, considering how difficult
Speaker 8: that is. I think for a lot of people like
Speaker 8: I don't think Tom Brady could have invited cameras in
Speaker 8: at this stage of his career and been comfortable about
Speaker 8: that and there's a story how Peyton Manning kind of
Speaker 8: convinced Mahomes didn't want to do it, and Manning did it.
Speaker 8: Just thought it would be a really interesting exercise. And
Speaker 8: I thought about that because I think I understand why
Speaker 8: Jalen Hurts would say no. I would understand why anyone
Speaker 8: would say no. But I can also see why Mahomes
Speaker 8: is uniquely able to just say yes, because like he's
Speaker 8: so comfortable in his own skin and that he can
Speaker 8: handle anything because everything is going on around him. There's
Speaker 8: he's got his family, he's got his brother is a
Speaker 8: little bit of a you know issue, and different pops.
Speaker 8: Everything's happening. He's got, he's got being Patrick Mahumes, and
Speaker 8: he carries it all. It's just like, well, of course
Speaker 8: this is what I'm doing, and you're right. I think
Speaker 8: it gave a good look into that I haven't finished.
Speaker 8: I have to admit I have not finished it yet,
Speaker 8: but I'm a finished. I don't have like a hot
Speaker 8: take on it. That's I mean, sometimes you don't have
Speaker 8: to tweet about something. Mine is like, it's pretty enjoyable watch.
Speaker 8: It's like a perfect thing to watch while you're like
Speaker 8: eating lunch. It's like, maybe you're not gonna I'm not
Speaker 8: gonna carve out nine to ten pm to sit and
Speaker 8: watch it necessarily, but I'm going to get through it
Speaker 8: because there's enough interesting parts about it. I enjoy it.
Speaker 3: I think the only I don't really have a hot take.
Speaker 3: I think Dan maybe expecting you to have one.
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't. Everybody thinks they have a
Speaker 1: hot take now.
Speaker 3: Now, well, No, it's like in the in the context,
Speaker 3: because I've seen.
Speaker 8: It a few criticisms about all three of these.
Speaker 3: Guys, right, people who generally are very very critical of
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins have come away saying, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 3: I feel better about Kirk.
Speaker 1: Now well.
Speaker 3: I think that's what context does. And it's not like
Speaker 3: perfect context because this is like produced for these quarterbacks, right,
Speaker 3: and they do want people to be a part of it.
Speaker 3: But I think maybe the takeaway some people should have
Speaker 3: is well as good of a job that folks do
Speaker 3: in NFL media do, and as good as a job
Speaker 3: as the teams do, maybe there is information that I
Speaker 3: don't necessarily have access to when I'm making judgments about
Speaker 3: these particular people, and maybe I should give be a
Speaker 3: little more lenient, like the Mariota situation about quitting on
Speaker 3: the team in all those things, because I think that's
Speaker 3: come up a few times where the team always wants
Speaker 3: you to have surgery on your time, right, don't have
Speaker 3: surgery on our time on the team time, right, Like
Speaker 3: like a Michael Thomas type situation. But it's like, well,
Speaker 3: if I'm looking out for myself and my bodies.
Speaker 8: If I'm going to get cut anyway, yeah.
Speaker 3: Like, shouldn't I have the surgery now if I want
Speaker 3: to play next year versus like I'm gonna Oh.
Speaker 1: I disagree with you guys on that. I think Mariota.
Speaker 2: I felt for Mariota a little bit because it was
Speaker 2: clear and it makes sense. He put all of his
Speaker 2: eggs in the twenty twenty two Falcons basket, and he
Speaker 2: talks about that as the season's beginning and ramping up,
Speaker 2: and they have a little bit of success at the
Speaker 2: end of September, and you know, he had this golden
Speaker 2: opportunity to be a starter again, this former Heisman Trophy
Speaker 2: winner who was a number two overall pick, and it
Speaker 2: hadn't really worked out, and now here it was out
Speaker 2: in front of him again.
Speaker 1: And when it goes.
Speaker 2: Sideways, you know, I see they go into the bye
Speaker 2: week and he gets bench during the bye week a
Speaker 2: day after his baby's born, and that's an emotional time
Speaker 2: for anyone. His head coach says, listen, there's nothing going
Speaker 2: on with his knee that has restricted him this season
Speaker 2: in terms of practicing games.
Speaker 1: And he just took off and went back to Vegas.
Speaker 2: And you know, you had a young quarterback on that
Speaker 2: roster that was now becoming the starter. It actually surprised
Speaker 2: me based on basically how I saw him relation to cousins.
Speaker 2: Mahomes is a guy that maybe the passion is not
Speaker 2: at the same level, and I was a little surprised
Speaker 2: at the Eagles then jumped at him and brought him
Speaker 2: back in, brought him in there. Even at the end
Speaker 2: of the last episode, he says. He has a quote
Speaker 2: where he says, I was really hoping for something West.
Speaker 2: I was trying to come back closer to home, but
Speaker 2: Philadelphia was very supportive. I just don't know if he's
Speaker 2: like the dude that's really all about ball and leaving
Speaker 2: that team.
Speaker 1: It's just I think something you don't do, and he
Speaker 1: did it.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a lot harder for him
Speaker 3: to get this opportunity if he waits to have surgery
Speaker 3: four months ago, right, Like, if he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Do the surgery, what kind of surgery was it?
Speaker 3: Don't it was a miniscus surgery, right right, And so
Speaker 3: like we talk about timelines and like the severity of surgery,
Speaker 3: it's still surgery, you know, Like I don't think people
Speaker 3: are necessarily doing it for fun.
Speaker 8: Right Arthur Smith, I guess was putting it like he
Speaker 8: could play through it and then have surgery later, but.
Speaker 1: He needed He also left the team.
Speaker 2: He's gone, Yeah, flew back to Vegas, and that was
Speaker 2: the end of his connection to the Falcons.
Speaker 8: The big winner is absolutely Kirk Cousins. Like he he
Speaker 8: just comes across very likable. It's interesting to like, I
Speaker 8: haven't watched the whole series that the episode on them
Speaker 8: playing through pain and kind they tried to structure in
Speaker 8: a way where there were different themes and I think
Speaker 8: there were some benefits of that, and there were some negatives,
Speaker 8: Like one was like the mental side of it. One
Speaker 8: was like playing through injuries and everything. But you just
Speaker 8: see how much it means to Kirk Cousins, And he's
Speaker 8: a very likable person in general, and you see how
Speaker 8: good a I think, how he communicates with everyone around him,
Speaker 8: That's something I wouldn't have understood, like his his coaches,
Speaker 8: Kevin O'Connell. But I just love him in general, and
Speaker 8: he comes off Yeah, he comes off really really good
Speaker 8: in this too. The trick is to what you said earlier,
Speaker 8: Patrick is like it is it. It does feel a
Speaker 8: little infomercially, even more than a Hard Knocks. I feel
Speaker 8: like does like it just could have been shorter, that's all.
Speaker 8: It's like, I don't need Patrick Mahomes for five minutes
Speaker 8: at an amusement park playing with it because there's nothing
Speaker 8: interesting about that. So you're asking someone to watch that
Speaker 8: and it's like there's there's nothing compelling about that, and
Speaker 8: there's just a few too many items of that, just
Speaker 8: like we're having a barbecue, but like nothing, there's no
Speaker 8: dynamics within that barbecue that we're interesting either. So it's
Speaker 8: just like was eight hours, So it's like it could
Speaker 8: have been three hours, you know, it could have been
Speaker 8: like four hours or something.
Speaker 1: Some people might like seeing that more.
Speaker 8: I like it, but I guess like you could pick
Speaker 8: and choose because there were parts where they featured their
Speaker 8: private life that were compelling and interesting, but it was
Speaker 8: like eight hours is you know, it's like the whole
Speaker 8: Godfather series. I saw. Florio said, it's immediately the most interest,
Speaker 8: the most important and like compelling, you know NFL show
Speaker 8: there is, And I would argue, I would argue against
Speaker 8: that because I don't think it's given you as as
Speaker 8: like real a look as I yeah, I think I
Speaker 8: think it was entertaining too. I'm not I'm not pooping
Speaker 8: on it. I just wish it was a little short.
Speaker 3: In terms of the miked up stuff on the field,
Speaker 3: Like we get that, like films is doing that stuff
Speaker 3: all the time, and I think it's the best part.
Speaker 3: Like the the O'Connell cousins interaction during the Bills game
Speaker 3: where Kirk is getting beat up like Ed Oliver landed
Speaker 3: on his rooms. His ribs were already bruised and he's
Speaker 3: having trouble breathing and O'Connell's like you okay.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm hurt. Yeah anywhere that's real.
Speaker 8: And there was one where he kind of gets mad
Speaker 8: at Kirk fritzing out on a play call essentially, and Kirk's.
Speaker 1: Kind of audibling into a sneak that leads to a
Speaker 1: bad you know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And it was so funny because Kirk was saying
Speaker 8: his dad scouting report of him back when Kirk was
Speaker 8: like a high school player is the same thing now.
Speaker 8: And even in this show, you can see maybe what
Speaker 8: prevents Kirk from being even another level. I mean, he's
Speaker 8: maxed out his career pretty well, but he's so hard
Speaker 8: on himself. He's always kind of revisiting all the things
Speaker 8: he does wrong that you almost feel like that that
Speaker 8: is a week maybe that maybe the greats aren't quite
Speaker 8: like that, Like he's always beating himself up and sort
Speaker 8: of revisiting in the moment what he's doing wrong, like
Speaker 8: he can't totally let go. And you see that a little.
Speaker 1: Bit here is Cousins.
Speaker 2: He was looking at his dad was I believe he
Speaker 2: was his coach in high school and sharing kind of
Speaker 2: an and the end of the season progress report, which
Speaker 2: he did for all of his players, including his own son.
Speaker 13: He said, to work on you need to be a
Speaker 13: more vocal leader. Your footwork needs to get better. And
Speaker 13: so it's funny because if you were to give this
Speaker 13: to a scout on the Vikings right now, they'd probably
Speaker 13: say that that's pretty accurate to this day, you know,
Speaker 13: twenty years later. I was fourteen when he wrote this,
Speaker 13: and then he wrote at the end, he said, Kirk,
Speaker 13: if you keep developing, you could someday be an All
Speaker 13: Conference and maybe even an All State player in high school.
Speaker 13: And I remember when my dad wrote that, and I thought, Wow,
Speaker 13: my dad thinks I could someday be an All state
Speaker 13: football player.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's big time.
Speaker 13: I remember thinking to be All State. And it's interesting,
Speaker 13: is I didn't make All State.
Speaker 2: That good as I guess as a father of two boys,
Speaker 2: that gets me a little bit. And I just have
Speaker 2: some for Cousins before we move on, and Mark, you
Speaker 2: could come back in whenever you want that.
Speaker 1: I have so much respect for anyone.
Speaker 2: Who could reach the absolute like ceiling of their potential
Speaker 2: and maybe even clear it a little bit. And because
Speaker 2: Cousins doesn't have the greatest size, or strongest arm or
Speaker 2: most athleticism, he isn't, you know, in terms of personality traits.
Speaker 1: It's not what you say is like what you're.
Speaker 2: Looking for necessarily in a franchise QB one, but it's
Speaker 2: clear and you see it in this series and you
Speaker 2: see in his production in his career, that he works
Speaker 2: his ass off, he's passionate about what he does, He's
Speaker 2: tough as hell, He's real, and I think that's one
Speaker 2: thing you kind of this series helped for me see
Speaker 2: with him, Like we kind of see Kirk Cousins like
Speaker 2: I see somebody takes seriously.
Speaker 1: He's so confident in who he is.
Speaker 2: And even if that's not the archetypal quarterback, his players,
Speaker 2: his teammates like him. You could tell because they know
Speaker 2: he's an authentic person. Literally, you know, at ease with
Speaker 2: who he is. And I think it's easy to admire
Speaker 2: him and it just will change.
Speaker 1: Mark.
Speaker 2: Not that because a lot of those things you mentioned,
Speaker 2: by the way, I would watch before this also, like
Speaker 2: The Wire for instance, my order that yeah, okay, But
Speaker 2: I feel.
Speaker 8: Like I feel like Big Love was like a little
Speaker 8: high on the list.
Speaker 1: That's a little high.
Speaker 2: I do like Paxton Rest in Peace, but Cousins, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I feel like going into a season, this is a
Speaker 2: nice like pump up primer for the season, and I'm
Speaker 2: looking forward to following Kirk cousins career more now after watching.
Speaker 9: So uh, you know, being back to number one, I
Speaker 9: kind of enjoyed listening to this podcast versus being on it.
Speaker 4: That was kind of enjoyable, but liked.
Speaker 1: It could be arranged. We wouldn't want that to happen, right, Yeah, that.
Speaker 9: Could be the end of the end game. But like
Speaker 9: I would say ultimately that the Cousins clip, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 9: it affects me. It changes how I think about him.
Speaker 9: But there also was a request from.
Speaker 1: Maybe not as much as the Deadwood premiere would hit
Speaker 1: with you, but I don't.
Speaker 8: Know that's on my list. I don't that's a good point.
Speaker 9: There was a request to maybe way in just for
Speaker 9: a minute about his selecting his outfits. And there was
Speaker 9: a series where Kirk cousins his request.
Speaker 4: From the behind the Glass.
Speaker 9: It's like a little bit more talk about his clothing
Speaker 9: and his fast his choice.
Speaker 8: Wife picks out his Patagonia stuff and that's that's fine.
Speaker 1: Oh I did.
Speaker 2: That was one other thing I wanted to share. Shout
Speaker 2: out to Brittany, Julie and Kiomi. Yeah, nice job, great
Speaker 2: job by the wise.
Speaker 9: So I heard a different tale about the Mahomes individual.
Speaker 8: No, I think the families come off really well.
Speaker 4: There's I didn't see it, so it's not much you
Speaker 4: didn't see it.
Speaker 3: No, there's a dedicated subset of people that I think
Speaker 3: because of Jackson, maybe mainly that like Brittany's never going
Speaker 3: to make a comeback in their eyes, like it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter how positive anything portrays them. Like they're people.
Speaker 2: They're very supportive and very knowledgeable of his career and
Speaker 2: like when his injury, that guy won the super Bowl,
Speaker 2: by the way, on one leg. All right, quick program. Note,
Speaker 2: we are undefeated when it comes to timing. About an
Speaker 2: hour after we taped our Thursday podcast, the news came
Speaker 2: out of Cincinnati that Joe Burrow had suffered a calf
Speaker 2: injury and was carted to the locker room. As of
Speaker 2: this time, we don't know how serious the injury is.
Speaker 2: When we recorded the second part of the podcast, we
Speaker 2: didn't even know an injury existed because it hadn't happened yet.
Speaker 1: Freaky huh.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll have more on the Burrow situation on our
Speaker 2: next podcast, but for now, here's a conversation about Burrow,
Speaker 2: at least in part. Enjoy and let me seg now
Speaker 2: into our conversation on rivalries, because let's start with Mahomes
Speaker 2: and Burrow. That's because that dude, that unassuming all time
Speaker 2: quarterback Patrick Mahomes. His ankle was destroyed against the Jaguars
Speaker 2: and he just gutted through the end of that season
Speaker 2: and beat Trevor Lawrence, then beat Burrow, then beat Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurts and his dream season doing it on one leg.
Speaker 2: And I found it so interesting when Burrow and the
Speaker 2: Bengals beat the Chiefs earlier in the season, and what
Speaker 2: was it the third time they beat They beat him
Speaker 2: in the AFC Title game the year before, three in
Speaker 2: a row, and you had all that stuff about burrowhead
Speaker 2: and Joe Burrow owns the Chiefs and Patrick owns it's
Speaker 2: his time to step down and it's Burrow's time. And
Speaker 2: I was part of that chorus in January saying, this
Speaker 2: is Burrow's year. And then what does my homes do
Speaker 2: on one leg? He finds a way and wins that
Speaker 2: game and then wins the Super Bowl. But it also
Speaker 2: reminded me they did play it in quarterback. Can we
Speaker 2: get the Travis Kelsey who deserves a medal for this?
Speaker 2: I don't know, just like a gold medal for the
Speaker 2: postgame presser immediately after the AFC Title game, and and
Speaker 2: and as well as just great television amped up this
Speaker 2: rivalry even more.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, first of all, also when thy gone
Speaker 14: man love it right before that interview with Tracy Wilson
Speaker 14: of CBS, and you saw this on quarterback Mahomes and
Speaker 14: Burrow after the game, and Mahomes is repeatedly saying many more, Doug,
Speaker 14: I think it is.
Speaker 2: I think this is the best rivalry since Peyton and
Speaker 2: Brady and just this week, Reggie for the desert heads
Speaker 2: out there, Burroughs are passed Mahomes. He's now plus six
Speaker 2: hundred to win NFL MVP over Mahomes at six point fifty.
Speaker 2: And it's just like the two guys that are seen
Speaker 2: as the best quarterbacks.
Speaker 8: Take mahomes number every year. Yes, witting last year. By
Speaker 8: the way, you guys got on me for picking him
Speaker 8: as MVP before the year.
Speaker 2: Congratulations on that anyway. So they've squared off in each
Speaker 2: of the last two AFC title games. I hope it's
Speaker 2: not the last of it, and I don't think it
Speaker 2: will be. I think it's the best rivalry in the sport,
Speaker 2: both team chiefs, Spangles and quarterbacks.
Speaker 8: Mahomes Borough I'll give you.
Speaker 9: Sometimes, you know, conflict can be man verse self and
Speaker 9: like the rivalry that I feel kind of growing. I
Speaker 9: almost put Chiefs Bengals Bills as this triumphant atop the
Speaker 9: AFC where it's like I could see the Bills in
Speaker 9: some world coming out of this. But my rivalry right
Speaker 9: now the way I feel because I think a year
Speaker 9: ago you just ticket the Bills for thirteen fourteen wins
Speaker 9: in an AFC title game appearance. They seemed like that
Speaker 9: team in the AFC because we were questioning what would
Speaker 9: happen to the Chiefs a year ago. But right now
Speaker 9: I think it's the Bills versus and mounting sense of
Speaker 9: internal dread and just basic dread, and I.
Speaker 1: Just feel Bills be thyself exactly Red Man verse self.
Speaker 9: That's the tough one that when I don't feel this
Speaker 9: way about the Chiefs, there's incredible optimism no matter what
Speaker 9: the challenges. You trust the coach and the quarterback to
Speaker 9: work the way out of it. We already saw that
Speaker 9: all last year.
Speaker 4: Bengals.
Speaker 9: To me, sky's the limit for just the reasons you mentioned,
Speaker 9: because of the quarterback, because it's we've never seen a
Speaker 9: Bengals team like this. Something about the Bills feels a
Speaker 9: little snake bit and a little ominous, and I don't
Speaker 9: have proof of what's going to come next, but I
Speaker 9: just think that's gonna be a theme.
Speaker 4: They went through it last year.
Speaker 9: I think the emotional weight of last season caught up
Speaker 9: to them by the end for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 9: They also were incredibly resilient. Josh Allen became a leader.
Speaker 9: But I just think this year is going to be
Speaker 9: a little bit different for Buffalo and inside a very
Speaker 9: tough division.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: And I agree, And that almost makes me think, hmm,
Speaker 8: maybe this is the year they surprise people, because it
Speaker 8: always seems like the year everyone thinks one like last
Speaker 8: year is not supposed to be the Chiefs, right, but
Speaker 8: Tom Brady's first year with Tampa was not supposed to
Speaker 8: be the Bucks year. That was supposed to be like
Speaker 8: the year they build up to that. And we're all
Speaker 8: thinking about this because that is the right answer in
Speaker 8: terms of just like right now, what's the rivalries that
Speaker 8: defined the NFL? And I think rivalries are why football,
Speaker 8: American football is a better sport frankly than the other
Speaker 8: most popular American sports, or it's one reason they're more popular,
Speaker 8: I think, than the NBA and basketball because rivalries are
Speaker 8: so important within the division, and then you get these
Speaker 8: like Bill's Chiefs is an incredible rivalry. When the Bills
Speaker 8: beat the Chiefs early last season, it really felt like
Speaker 8: a moment, you know, like they had gotten over some
Speaker 8: hump and that those playoff losses that they had are insane.
Speaker 8: But then you think about Bengals cheese, and then you
Speaker 8: just sort of think all of Mahomes's rivalries. He has
Speaker 8: a rivalry with Alan, he obviously has one with Burrow.
Speaker 8: Every time him and Justin Herbert play, it's like the
Speaker 8: Chargers just kind of play the Washington Generals, but all
Speaker 8: those games are amazing, and both quarterbacks always.
Speaker 4: Play Herbert's Kansas City are insane.
Speaker 2: Tellingly, Mahomes says after the Jaguars win, when he's back
Speaker 2: at his house with his family, someone at this party
Speaker 2: says to him, who would you rather play? And he says,
Speaker 2: he wants Cincinnati like he respects Buffalo, but it's the
Speaker 2: Bengals that he wants.
Speaker 1: Like that, I thought, I thought it was the Bills.
Speaker 2: It was a weird season for Buffalo and nearly like
Speaker 2: a horrifically tragic one, obviously with Tamar Hamlin. But I
Speaker 2: thought when they lost at home in the snow to Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: They fell behind, and I view them kind of outside
Speaker 2: of those big two now, but you could easily see
Speaker 2: it the other way around.
Speaker 8: I guess the thing is when you have greatness. We've
Speaker 8: gone from one dynasty that's never had anything like it
Speaker 8: in the NFL history, the Patriots, where we got most
Speaker 8: of the best rivalries involved the Patriots for a while,
Speaker 8: and we segued with an actual game right into the
Speaker 8: Chiefs having all the best rivalries. I mean, Mahomes to me,
Speaker 8: his most incredible season was his first as a starter,
Speaker 8: and Belichick really prevented them from getting that trophy or
Speaker 8: Tom Brady did so, Like even Mahomes Belichick, I'm glad
Speaker 8: they're playing this year. That's a rivalry. All the Chiefs
Speaker 8: rivalries are the best because they're the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the feeling about Buffalo, it's hard for I think,
Speaker 3: especially me and I know for a lot of people
Speaker 3: to get that image of Buffalo in the snow just
Speaker 3: getting trounced and ran out of their own building, and
Speaker 3: that like that influences expectations. But we have these discussions
Speaker 3: coming into every season and it seems like the folly
Speaker 3: of expectations should like we should realize that.
Speaker 8: They went thirteen and three.
Speaker 3: Like the things we expect aren't necessarily going to happen, right,
Speaker 3: and so like I think Buffalo could be fine, but
Speaker 3: it could also go horribly wrong. And unfortunately, due to
Speaker 3: the nature of the game, it could be like that
Speaker 3: for the Chargers. It could be like that for the Bengals,
Speaker 3: it could be like that for the Chiefs, Like we
Speaker 3: don't want to see it. But I think the thing
Speaker 3: that I love about the Burrow Mahomes situation is and
Speaker 3: it may happen, but right now there's no like, oh,
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow can't win the Big Game or any dumb
Speaker 3: like that, Like people are recognizing, like these guys are good,
Speaker 3: like Aaron Donald makes a play, or Patrick Mahomes and
Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey make a play, and it doesn't like define
Speaker 3: careers like they just lost. And I'm glad that we
Speaker 3: haven't had the dumb stuff yet.
Speaker 8: And Mahomes is the oldest of the three including Josh Allen,
Speaker 8: and he's twenty seven. It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mark, to your point about the Bills, I
Speaker 2: think it was an episode you weren't here last month.
Speaker 2: We did the urgency scale. I had the Bills at
Speaker 2: at perfect ten points. That's how I feel this is
Speaker 2: such a tremendously important year in the history of the
Speaker 2: organization because I think there is part of that dread
Speaker 2: is was that window? Was it the last couple of
Speaker 2: years and we didn't get it done at home in
Speaker 2: January the previous year the thirteen second game, Like, was
Speaker 2: that the window where this team was?
Speaker 4: But it isn't that.
Speaker 9: Sort of what we're saying is it's like I could
Speaker 9: project the Chiefs making four or five Super Bowls over
Speaker 9: the next seven or eight years.
Speaker 4: I would have no problem with that.
Speaker 9: Bengals, sure, I mean, as long as they can continue to,
Speaker 9: you know, keep the roster together. But the Bills to
Speaker 9: me feel like the window is slowly closed.
Speaker 2: Might be unfair because it might be Allen is still
Speaker 2: young and he's got fifteen years ten fifteen years ahead
Speaker 2: of him. They could reload as well, but maybe it's
Speaker 2: this core and then I don't know. I felt strongly
Speaker 2: entering this past season that they were the team now
Speaker 2: and there's a little doubt around them.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not the worst thing. Patrick, how about you, rivalry.
Speaker 3: Favorite? Are we going what are we doing anything you want? Okay,
Speaker 3: So one rivalry that jumps out to me that is
Speaker 3: bananas because we just talked about Salah and Sean Payton,
Speaker 3: and like it feels like there's actual animosity there at
Speaker 3: this point to a tongu about Loa and Justin Herbert
Speaker 3: are two of the nicest people on planet Earth. They
Speaker 3: would never say a foul thing about literally anybody, but
Speaker 3: their fan bases are so fashionate that this thing has
Speaker 3: been created off of pure conversation about who should have
Speaker 3: been drafted, where, who's the better.
Speaker 8: Quarterback, the best thing that ever happened in Manuel watch you.
Speaker 11: Ain't got no haters, You ain't popping.
Speaker 3: That's so cringe.
Speaker 1: I just remember how literally you ain't bro cringe, ain't
Speaker 1: popping bro if he ain't got no haters, hikes.
Speaker 3: But it's just a It's a sign of one how
Speaker 3: like annoying conversations can be, but also how much energy
Speaker 3: and attention it generates for the game because these two
Speaker 3: guys like literally wouldn't hurt a fly, Like they would
Speaker 3: never say a cross thing about anybody. But I'm I'm
Speaker 3: excited about this game, Like this has been years in
Speaker 3: the making and I'm not excited about all the things
Speaker 3: that people are gonna say about it, but I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm glad that we have these guys, and I'm glad
Speaker 3: we have people.
Speaker 8: And its week one. You know what that if you
Speaker 8: don't want too much attention on that, and I think
Speaker 8: you're right, the build up to the game will get
Speaker 8: a lot and the PostScript will get a lot. But
Speaker 8: the fact that it's week one, it's not in a
Speaker 8: primetime spot, and it's actually opposite the Tony Romo Jim
Speaker 8: Nance game in week one, we've already seen the assignments
Speaker 8: of announcers. Nothing made me feel like football is back
Speaker 8: more than let's hear them CPS. What we got the
Speaker 8: announcers I will ever too soon to talk about. I'll
Speaker 8: bring them up. But I know that Romo and Nance
Speaker 8: are on Eagles Patriots at four to twenty five, and
Speaker 8: Packers Bears is also on Fox at four twenty five,
Speaker 8: So you're you're you're burying Dolphins Chargers there in a
Speaker 8: relatively big spot as.
Speaker 1: We need to send the top team to cover the Patriots.
Speaker 8: I remember Charles Davis is on Bengals Browns because I
Speaker 8: just remember thinking, oh, Mark and if he wants to
Speaker 8: watch that.
Speaker 4: Here we go down the street.
Speaker 8: We all enjoy Charles Davis and Ie Eagle, and I
Speaker 8: was like, that'll be a pleasant call, just an option game.
Speaker 4: I will watch all the games, so I will.
Speaker 1: I will watch that that specifically, that will be choice
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Well, Patrick, I'm so with you on the fact that
Speaker 9: the two quarterbacks probably could be best pals and go
Speaker 9: on endless road trips. But that was a with their
Speaker 9: prime time and counter Sastrey too quiet, you know it
Speaker 9: would I wouldn't want to watch it. But that's another
Speaker 9: show I wouldn't watch. But that was a dark night
Speaker 9: for X aka Twitter, that whole clash they had on
Speaker 9: in primetime aka Twitter.
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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick and we'll get back to more
Speaker 1: rivalry talk. All right, we're back.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with essentially Raiders versus everyone. Now below that,
Speaker 8: it's it's Al Davis, Al Davis and the Davises versus
Speaker 8: the NFL. I mean, that's the ultimate rivalry. Is they
Speaker 8: hated each other. Him and Pete rosell the commissioner. I mean,
Speaker 8: they lived up to their name. They merged like he
Speaker 8: got this merger he wanted to have this big spot
Speaker 8: in the NFL. Roselle ended up burying him, taking him
Speaker 8: off the competition committee. They hated each other like the
Speaker 8: Raiders in the NFL always were getting out each other.
Speaker 8: They were truly renegades. And then they tried to not
Speaker 8: let him go to Oakland. They sued the NFL they
Speaker 8: actually won. They basically hated themselves until the end of
Speaker 8: Roselle's career. Roselle said when he retired, one of the
Speaker 8: reasons he was retiring was Al Davis was such a
Speaker 8: pain in his assho all that time. Fast forward to
Speaker 8: like Mark Davison, we still got problems. We still got
Speaker 8: the end NFL rightfully, but uh, being involved in a
Speaker 8: situation where John Gruden's career ends with the Raiders and
Speaker 8: there's still tension here.
Speaker 1: Oh, they wouldn't let him go to la either for
Speaker 1: their biggest fan bases.
Speaker 8: Between now Davis and everything, there's still all this stuff.
Speaker 8: And then I think Mark Davis is definitely more genial.
Speaker 8: But then I thought about and it's like everyone thinks
Speaker 8: they have a rivalry with the Raiders, like Chargers games
Speaker 8: are different. When the Raiders show up, it's like, oh,
Speaker 8: oh no, like Raiders fans are showing up. You saw
Speaker 8: it on quarterback, Like the Chiefs actually consider their Raiders
Speaker 8: their biggest rival. Broncos kind of feel that way. It
Speaker 8: is kind of amazing that they've.
Speaker 2: Got to track some of the history of the game too.
Speaker 2: These are AFL teams exactly right. They killed each other
Speaker 2: in the sixties and then merge and that stuff leaves
Speaker 2: a long tail.
Speaker 8: But the fact that the Raiders specifically have been able
Speaker 8: to maintain this despite twenty years of sub mediocrity is
Speaker 8: pretty impressive. That just like as even though they've been bad,
Speaker 8: they still are sort of the team. Everyone around them
Speaker 8: and the NFL like a respect.
Speaker 2: Cow Boys see a way that they have the branding
Speaker 2: and ye, they're just something special about the meaning, but
Speaker 2: they haven't been special.
Speaker 9: Well I did that like back when we used to
Speaker 9: write like long articles like uh, you still can by
Speaker 9: the way, I know, well, no.
Speaker 8: I feel.
Speaker 9: I feel it's very possible. But I had the assignment
Speaker 9: to cover the last game in Oakland, but before it
Speaker 9: was it was a feature on talking to like twenty
Speaker 9: different Raiders, and I came away with it being like, yeah,
Speaker 9: just to your point that there is a Cowboys like
Speaker 9: aura to I mean, not that I didn't know that before,
Speaker 9: but just to see that these players who hadn't been
Speaker 9: on the field in twenty five years. One guy a
Speaker 9: couple just getting angry and angrier on the phone talking
Speaker 9: about games from you know, two and a half decades,
Speaker 9: goes like, there is nothing like the Raiders there.
Speaker 8: As fans hate the Raiders still even though they've been
Speaker 8: bad forever.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: Just think about how rewarding to see your your byline
Speaker 2: on NFL dot com.
Speaker 4: There's nothing in the work, there's nothing like it.
Speaker 2: But doing the twenty thousand words Yeah, letting the audience
Speaker 2: see your gift for writing the craft.
Speaker 1: It's you could do that again.
Speaker 9: I think what I'm doing is if there's too much
Speaker 9: of it, there's no need. So if I wait seven
Speaker 9: or eight years to do another one, then there will
Speaker 9: be that appropriate need want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, turns Melick.
Speaker 8: What's the historical one you were referring to earlier?
Speaker 9: I was hoping it was very much something that Wes
Speaker 9: and I used to talk about all the time, because
Speaker 9: before Wes dispatched the Bengals, he back in the days
Speaker 9: of Sam Weish in the old AFC Central, which all
Speaker 9: those teams hate talking about teams, there was no friendliness
Speaker 9: between They all hated each other. But it never peaked
Speaker 9: more between the old Oilers and Bengals than was Jerry Glanville,
Speaker 9: who was I found him to be highly annoying as
Speaker 9: a Browns fan, but entertaining years later just to see
Speaker 9: was a truly strange character.
Speaker 4: And Sam Weish. These guys hated each other.
Speaker 9: And I'll never forget this one game nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 9: when the Bengals, at the height of their disdain for
Speaker 9: the Oilers and Sam Weish's hatred of Jerry Glanville, who
Speaker 9: he was, what he represented, the kind of teams that
Speaker 9: he put on the field. They beat the Oilers sixty
Speaker 9: one to seven, and there's an incredible story on the
Speaker 9: Athletic about this where they were up thirty one nothing
Speaker 9: and went forward on fourth down. They recovered an on
Speaker 9: side kick, leading forty nine nothing and then.
Speaker 4: Kept throwing the ball NonStop.
Speaker 1: Okay, Sean Payton.
Speaker 9: That's the thing that makes me excited for Jets Broncos
Speaker 9: because they ran a fake reverse after that. The score
Speaker 9: was fifty eight to seven at one point with thirty
Speaker 9: seconds to go, and they kicked a thirty yard field
Speaker 9: goal to make it sixty one to seven. And then
Speaker 9: Sam Weish in the post game, there's a great oral
Speaker 9: history on this on the.
Speaker 4: Athletic, and he blew the doors.
Speaker 9: Down and went on like a twenty five minute tirade
Speaker 9: about the person of Jerry Glanville, the football coach, Jerry Glanville,
Speaker 9: what he produced, what the Oilers represented in football, and
Speaker 9: Sam Weish was one of the most charitable kind people.
Speaker 9: Everyone thinks, so you don't live in Cleveland, but that
Speaker 9: there was this whole aside Tom where he was a
Speaker 9: Bill Walsh disciple who was involved behind the scenes and
Speaker 9: helping so many different people. But Glanville just got on
Speaker 9: and he could not You could never calm down when
Speaker 9: they played the Oilers and it was one of one
Speaker 9: of the more delicious rivalries.
Speaker 4: It's sort of forgotten right now.
Speaker 8: I love that one. That reminds me of the Belichick
Speaker 8: Titans game where they put like sixty on them in
Speaker 8: the snow and it was and he tried to pretend
Speaker 8: it wasn't, partly because he didn't like Joe Fisher was like, absolutely,
Speaker 8: you're calling. I think they called the play where it
Speaker 8: was like a like where you handed it off to
Speaker 8: the wide receiver, threw it back to the quarter the
Speaker 8: t Brady it was like forty nine to six. It's like,
Speaker 8: but those games you remember, I'm like this something wrong
Speaker 8: with a little blowout.
Speaker 1: It's fit fun the tie together.
Speaker 2: Think about if Rogers is having one of those Sundays
Speaker 2: where he's like in the Jordan shoulder shrug mode and
Speaker 2: everything he throws is right on the money. After Peyton
Speaker 2: went after his good buddy Hacket and Slahich you heard
Speaker 2: from Salad there, Oh, that.
Speaker 1: Would be delicious to see why Jets run up the
Speaker 1: score on.
Speaker 8: Peyton's as whoever's leading, if they can, they will be
Speaker 8: trying in that game.
Speaker 9: I'm with you, feel like you're gonna be drafting that game
Speaker 9: number one potentially that we intentionally it's in the it's
Speaker 9: in the running for me to take Jets games from you.
Speaker 1: Take as many as you want. I'm watching it regards.
Speaker 3: Except that one. I think I think they're gonna give
Speaker 3: you that one. Patrick all Right popped in my head.
Speaker 11: It's the.
Speaker 3: It's an old rivalry, but I think it still exists
Speaker 3: because there's back and forth as the story continues to
Speaker 3: get told, Golden Tate versus Percy Harvin.
Speaker 8: It's still wait, it's still happening.
Speaker 3: This specifically because it fulfills my agenda, and that is
Speaker 3: that's why I will take the opportunity to talk about it.
Speaker 3: For those who don't know, Uh, the Seahawks are about
Speaker 3: to play the Broncos in the Super Bowl. Uh, there's
Speaker 3: a conversation about whether or not Percy Harvin is gonna
Speaker 3: play Golden Tate is like, whatever, it doesn't matter. We
Speaker 3: didn't need Percy to win the last game. Person didn't
Speaker 3: like it. Uh. Through Percy's telling in the story and
Speaker 3: Cliff Averrals and several other people. H Percy punches him
Speaker 3: in the face. Golden Tate ends up in the trash can.
Speaker 3: They go and win the super Bowl in the trash can.
Speaker 3: The trash can wait. He like fell into a trash can.
Speaker 3: He wound up the amazing Again, that's that's Percy's telling
Speaker 3: what a great punch. Golden denies that. But the way
Speaker 3: that fulfills my agenda is these guys didn't like each other.
Speaker 3: There was literally a fight. It wasn't a distraction. They
Speaker 3: blew the Broncos.
Speaker 8: Out hard, was awesome.
Speaker 4: Percy Harvin had to play the game like.
Speaker 3: All you have to do is execute, Like you could
Speaker 3: not like people. Whatever, they went out there and did it.
Speaker 3: And that's why I love the rival. The fact that
Speaker 3: they're like all beaten and bruised and out of the
Speaker 3: league now and still still talking about it. I love it.
Speaker 4: I love you say this fulfills your agenda.
Speaker 3: It does, but its prior.
Speaker 1: What is the agenda? What is the agenda?
Speaker 3: Just to me, if you play and you play well,
Speaker 3: then you're gonna win, Like.
Speaker 8: It won't be a distraction, Like you don't have to
Speaker 8: get a lot.
Speaker 4: There there's no human emotion.
Speaker 1: You know you can do it. I don't think you
Speaker 1: needed receipts on that one.
Speaker 3: And well, I mean it's it's constantly argued against me.
Speaker 3: But either way, like you can do it with NFL
Speaker 3: films watching and there could be quarterback, there could be
Speaker 3: wide receiver documentary. But as long as you go out
Speaker 3: there and do what you're supposed to do, you're probab
Speaker 3: gonna win.
Speaker 8: But that route one on my long list was was
Speaker 8: Russell Wilson versus the Legion of Boom, which never ends
Speaker 8: like they enjoyed. They enjoyed it so much last year,
Speaker 8: like it still feels like it's going on. So that
Speaker 8: was That was that team, and there's and like it
Speaker 8: was all about like who gets the credit, which is
Speaker 8: where a lot of this stuff starts. People want people
Speaker 8: want the credit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, that team. It's kind of crazy. They
Speaker 2: only won the one Super Bowl as stacked as they were.
Speaker 2: The play with Malcolm Butler that is maybe ground zero
Speaker 2: for the heat that will forever be between Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: and the play caller and that defense.
Speaker 1: I'll at it.
Speaker 3: Dante Hattower made an incredible play on the play before he.
Speaker 1: Did took down Marshawn Lynch. Uh, you got one more
Speaker 1: WHI should I pick? Here? Let's go.
Speaker 8: Let's give McVeigh versus Shanahan because they're playing twice a year.
Speaker 8: We had Jordan Rodrigan. We didn't really talk too much
Speaker 8: about the playmakers, but we did. But man, you really
Speaker 8: get the feel of how weird and complicated that rivalry is.
Speaker 8: And yes, McDaniel and lafleur are kind of in the mix,
Speaker 8: but it's really more about Sean McVay and Shanahan, and
Speaker 8: to the point where they're obviously copying each other on
Speaker 8: certain things and watching each other, but that they know
Speaker 8: that the other guy knows that they're watching, and so
Speaker 8: that they're too prideful to exactly copy it, and they
Speaker 8: just do some bs cosmetic change where like we'll use
Speaker 8: a tight end on this sweep where it's a receiver
Speaker 8: so that it's a little different, so that it's us
Speaker 8: and like it's really ours. And I love that because
Speaker 8: it's one of my favorite parts of the whole thing,
Speaker 8: is how they all take stuff from each other. And
Speaker 8: I love that because they're doing it for just each other,
Speaker 8: because the rest of us nubes, don't we don't know
Speaker 8: all that, but they know that Sean McVay is going
Speaker 8: to be watching them on tape and think like, oh,
Speaker 8: they stole it from us. And so it's just this
Speaker 8: totally petty thing back and forth. And it was so
Speaker 8: complicated because you stand like their friendship whatever it is,
Speaker 8: their respect is on hold. They kind of they respect
Speaker 8: each other, but they don't like each other. I mean,
Speaker 8: Mike McDaniel used the word exploited to talk about his
Speaker 8: relationship with Kyle Shanahan, which was kind of like a
Speaker 8: little thing he threw in there, and it's all very complicated.
Speaker 8: Lafleur was just kind of like I like everybody, you know,
Speaker 8: it's the side of everything. Like he's like, I had
Speaker 8: to take it. He actually says I have no ego,
Speaker 8: and it's like, okay, I kind of believe it with him.
Speaker 8: But that that's like a fun element. And they're playing
Speaker 8: twice a year now. I'm gonna have a better context
Speaker 8: to use your word, Patrick when I when I watched this.
Speaker 9: Match, I think at the game where Shanahan when they
Speaker 9: like blew the doors off the Rams and had that
Speaker 9: like sixteen play eleven minute long drive where you knew
Speaker 9: Shanahan was just rolling and.
Speaker 8: They've basically owned McVeigh other than a big moment where
Speaker 8: they didn't. It definitely is in mcvey's krah or whatever
Speaker 8: you want to say, that they've owned McVeigh.
Speaker 3: And I wonder how that conversation and getting asked that
Speaker 3: question before that game so many times has affected their relationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's probably been tough for Sean.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and hearing Kyle shaneon talk about it, especially even
Speaker 8: in the last week. I mean that loft to the ramps, like, yeah,
Speaker 8: he's on Sean McVay. But McVay won when they won
Speaker 8: the NFC championship and actually won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: So let's close it out with going kind of full
Speaker 2: circle and Andy Reid and Bill Belichick. I pulled the
Speaker 2: numbers just out of curiosity. So Reid is sixty five
Speaker 2: years old, Belichick's seventy one. Belichick has two hundred and
Speaker 2: ninety eight career wins six sixty two percentage. Reid has
Speaker 2: two forty seven six forty one.
Speaker 8: Wow. So if he just keeps up close case in actually,
Speaker 8: you know, did this coached as long as he as
Speaker 8: Belichick did, he has a chance.
Speaker 2: Postseason Bell check unbelievable, thirty one and thirteen, six super
Speaker 2: bowls read twenty two and sixteen.
Speaker 1: He has two Super Bowl rings.
Speaker 2: Belichick has been the head coach of nine Super Bowl
Speaker 2: team six wins read four super Bowl teams two wins.
Speaker 8: Read.
Speaker 2: Is the first coach in NFL history to coach in
Speaker 2: five consecutive conference championship games, and Belichick right now has him.
Speaker 8: Obviously, Belichick did too.
Speaker 1: He was the first coach in NFL history, I guess,
Speaker 1: so maybe Belchick was the second.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 8: No, Belichick went nine straight.
Speaker 1: Take it up with the Kansas City Chiefs Press marketing department.
Speaker 8: I'm just saying, they went nine straight, nine straight conference
Speaker 8: champions but then they go five in a row. Yeah,
Speaker 8: they went nine straight. That's like, to me, the most Wow.
Speaker 8: That is crazy, craziest stat of the of the Belichick.
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying here, Belichick obviously is in pole position,
Speaker 2: and if he finds a way to get one more
Speaker 2: kind of rye out of his career, it's not even
Speaker 2: gonna be a question.
Speaker 1: He's going to just basically have every record.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting, with Reid being six years younger, if
Speaker 2: he could stay healthy and on the sidelines if he
Speaker 2: still wants to do it, and read seems like a
Speaker 2: guy who's gonna want to coach forever. Patrick Mahomes, as
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier in the show, is twenty seven years old,
Speaker 2: and I think the next five years are going to
Speaker 2: be very interesting to see where Reid is then, because yes,
Speaker 2: if we measure it ultimately, if you want to do
Speaker 2: a bottom line, you know, six super Bowls, it's six
Speaker 2: the two right now. But I don't know what does
Speaker 2: Mahomes have three titles in him? Then what's the conversation?
Speaker 2: I think the rivalry is these guys have a lot
Speaker 2: of respect for each other, So it's not like not
Speaker 2: personally hate each other rights, not personal. But I'm very
Speaker 2: interested to see what this looks like when the dust
Speaker 2: clears and you start to say, Belichick clearly right now
Speaker 2: the greatest coach ever. Does Reid have a chance to
Speaker 2: really enter that conversation in a meaningful way.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it does, because I think it's like there's they're
Speaker 9: flip flopped in a way because Belichick, you know, Post
Speaker 9: Cleveland had Tom Brady right out of the gate a
Speaker 9: year in and all that success came and we're now
Speaker 9: every talking head is like, is Belichick actually the great
Speaker 9: coach we think without Tom Brady, which is a ponderous
Speaker 9: conversation to me, but it exists. And then there was
Speaker 9: a long period where can Andy Reid be a good coach?
Speaker 9: But he's is he truly great?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 9: Is he a super Bowl winning guy that does this
Speaker 9: over and over? It's like, now he's got the quarterback,
Speaker 9: and yes he does.
Speaker 8: M I apologize the Patriots that made eight straight, So
Speaker 8: that was wrong.
Speaker 9: I think they were saying Reid achieved it before Belichick,
Speaker 9: not that alone.
Speaker 1: Was it with the Eagles? Is that what it was?
Speaker 9: I would go, Look, but I think that's what unless
Speaker 9: the PR departments just trying to pull a fast one
Speaker 9: on us be more exciting.
Speaker 8: Did the Eagles make five straight conference championship Well?
Speaker 3: They definitely, They definitely made four straight.
Speaker 2: He's the only coach to win und games and a
Speaker 2: peer in four consecutive conference championship games with two different
Speaker 2: their franchises.
Speaker 8: There you go, and they've made five straight. Now that's
Speaker 8: why I was thinking five. Either way, it's gotta be tough,
Speaker 8: but I think it's a great rile because to me,
Speaker 8: it's the best defensive mind of his era, Belichick of
Speaker 8: a couple eras and the best offensive mind and the
Speaker 8: most influential offensive mind, and Andy Reid, and they have
Speaker 8: come up against each other enough that the respect is massive.
Speaker 8: They've each had pretty big moments against each other. But
Speaker 8: to me, it's gonna be tough for Andy Reid to
Speaker 8: pass him. And I guess he could start just like
Speaker 8: he could pass him and wins. He could win more
Speaker 8: super Bowls, and then you talk about it, but Reid
Speaker 8: came up against Belichick and in such big spots a
Speaker 8: couple times that their careers would have changed. I'm thinking,
Speaker 8: of course, the Eagles Super Bowl appearance after he finally
Speaker 8: broke through and got there. It was the Patriots best
Speaker 8: team ever that shut them down. And then I'm thinking
Speaker 8: twenty eighteen, which to me with hindsight, but even at
Speaker 8: the time, to me feels like one of the most
Speaker 8: important games in the last twenty years for the Patriots
Speaker 8: to get that win on the road in overtime. For
Speaker 8: Brady's last Super Bowl in Mahomes's you know, first year MVP,
Speaker 8: that was like a sliding doorstable moment, and Belichick came
Speaker 8: out on top both those times.
Speaker 3: I think but even in both of those situations, one
Speaker 3: one is literally a coin flip, the other is a
Speaker 3: metaphorical coin flip.
Speaker 9: Yes, and I'm surprised you believe in metaphorical coin flips,
Speaker 9: just based on what I know about you.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, like, in terms of the degree
Speaker 3: of difference right between the outcomes and those two things,
Speaker 3: it could have gone either way.
Speaker 4: Like there's universes, right, Yeah, it's not sixty one to seven?
Speaker 3: Yeah, when's when's both of those?
Speaker 8: Well, that one I truly am with you. If the
Speaker 8: coin had flipped the other way, I think Mahomes would
Speaker 8: have scored at that point. They had it bites out there,
Speaker 8: like Belichick was a great first half plan, they did nothing.
Speaker 8: It was the worse first half of the year, and
Speaker 8: then they just they were scoring every time at the end.
Speaker 3: Maybe if it does get close, right and Andy Reid and
Speaker 3: Mahomes win a few more Super Bowls, maybe the fact
Speaker 3: that John Harbaugh and Doug Peterson have both won Super
Speaker 3: Bowls whereas the Belichick coaching tree is the floundering, maybe
Speaker 3: people make a case there. But hopefully, like history will
Speaker 3: be able to be like, hey, both of these guys
Speaker 3: are really good, like, we don't have to put, you know,
Speaker 3: two bad boys against each other.
Speaker 9: Then Andy Reid retires two seasons from now. In the conversations,
Speaker 9: we mute and we remove it from this episode.
Speaker 2: And I was gonna say, oh, and maybe well they
Speaker 2: have one more big stage together in January. I think
Speaker 2: if that happens, Belichick kind of puts it to bed
Speaker 2: a little bit as well, because not that there's any
Speaker 2: doubting of Belichick, but if he's able to big up,
Speaker 2: build up one more big Patriots team post Brady, it's like,
Speaker 2: all right, here's your flowers, here's your lollipops, good luck
Speaker 2: Max to everything.
Speaker 3: Would he do that, like would Bill leave just to
Speaker 3: like in a in a Rogers packer situation, to say
Speaker 3: to the boss, like, look at what I can do
Speaker 3: for somebody else, Like this is this is me getting
Speaker 3: out on my own go back to Cleveland.
Speaker 8: I am happy there on the still pound of that
Speaker 8: drum schedule. And we get it. We get a little
Speaker 8: read Belichick this year, Monday Night Football, late in the season,
Speaker 8: it's been a minute, you know.
Speaker 2: We get a little chep hypothetical mark craft in Belichick
Speaker 2: the egos, they can't coexist. It ends after this year,
Speaker 2: Belichick goes to Cleveland. You want to talk up up
Speaker 2: and circumstance.
Speaker 1: I have on business here and I always love this place.
Speaker 1: This is the this is the heart of football Cleveland,
Speaker 1: and it's our time.
Speaker 9: I think that would that would be too uh nostalgic
Speaker 9: for me to ignore.
Speaker 8: Would you write a letter to.
Speaker 1: This one being answer me this time around? Answer me?
Speaker 4: It's time. I want to probably email.
Speaker 8: Him all right, speed speed around here, speed around the leftovers.
Speaker 8: Rap versus schefter, we hit that this week. But that's
Speaker 8: clearly I got a rap versus pel racer. Okay, that
Speaker 8: house heat, that's a huge one. Yeah, Falcon Saints, I
Speaker 8: had to at least do I know you guys didn't
Speaker 8: want to sell, but Falcon Saints remember when Vic flipped
Speaker 8: them the bird? You probably don't. But there's a lot
Speaker 8: of good stuff there. Raven Steelers, I was trying to
Speaker 8: think of like a matchup I can. I think Stefan
Speaker 8: Diggs and Sauce Gardner could develop into one because Sauce
Speaker 8: Gardner did quite a good job. He gave up one
Speaker 8: big play against him last year, but other than that,
Speaker 8: really did a good job on Stefan Dick.
Speaker 2: So that's just a matchup. I'm looking I'm excited. I
Speaker 2: might hide it a little bit. I'm excited for Jets
Speaker 2: Dolphins this year and many many years.
Speaker 3: I think at some point Mike Evans and Marsha and
Speaker 3: Latimore are going to play a full game again.
Speaker 8: It's true like the NFL is did a nice job
Speaker 8: keeping the divisions the same, NFC East, a FC East,
Speaker 8: all all these go backs.
Speaker 1: So that's a good job by you.
Speaker 9: I'll give you a couple of no comments. Go ahead,
Speaker 9: all right, Dak Prescott verus talking heads. Kind of annoying
Speaker 9: to get dug in Browns fans first, Jettison Browns fans.
Speaker 9: They really hate each other online. I've experienced that. Lamar
Speaker 9: Jackson versus his own body, Cozar versus I mean, that's
Speaker 9: well off future rivalry, Belichick McDaniel.
Speaker 4: They couldn't be more different. I can't.
Speaker 9: I just want, I cannot wait to see what happens
Speaker 9: between Patriots Dolphins this year. I think it's going to
Speaker 9: become bigger and bigger. Cynical Jets fans, not you, you're
Speaker 9: an optimistic one, but cynical Jets fans versus themselves. This
Speaker 9: second d you said a future Josh Mike Pidaniel. I
Speaker 9: think that the polar opposite nature of the two of them.
Speaker 9: I cannot there's just too many. This is exciting, Like
Speaker 9: Dolphins Patriots has not brought me much joy over the years,
Speaker 9: but this now this might okay?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 3: Uh? Aaron Rodgers versus the Packers, Oh yeah, that's pretty
Speaker 3: good one. The d m V versus Daniel Snyder, Rex
Speaker 3: Ryan versus Geno Smith.
Speaker 8: Uh, those are all great.
Speaker 2: It's it's very annoying that the Jets went to Lambeau
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 9: Oh just miss, I'd almost just changed the rule about
Speaker 9: interconference play and just you know, you could add they
Speaker 9: add an extra one.
Speaker 1: You should have done something about it. All right, that's enough.
Speaker 1: That's football, a little too much, too much football, a
Speaker 1: little too much.
Speaker 2: But great, good talk. Patrick, always a pleasure, always always
Speaker 2: on the side.
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