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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast are most definitely humans from the.

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Speaker 2: Chris Wesley podcast studio. It is Around the NFL. I

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Speaker 2: am Dan Hansis. I got heroes all up in this place,

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Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler, and the return of Patrick Claybond.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Pat, what's up man?

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Speaker 1: How are you does good?

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Speaker 4: What's the reference with the human business?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a perfect episode for Patrick because I

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Speaker 2: think Claybond one of the things that makes him great

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Speaker 2: on Mike and just an interesting fellow is you know,

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Speaker 2: he'll he'll be a bit of a naysayer on things.

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Speaker 2: He'll say this take is something people need to come

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Speaker 2: down about. Now, let's talk about what's going on here

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Speaker 2: in the world, because I don't think it's being talked

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Speaker 2: about enough right now.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and look at Patrick's reaction. He's got takes that

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Speaker 1: are gonna be I think I know that beautiful mouth

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Speaker 1: in just a couple of minutes, but it.

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Speaker 3: Took it to a place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah over here.

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Speaker 2: You ever hear that meme out there? The Simpsons predicted it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen some things up that alley.

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Speaker 1: How about hashtag ATM predicted it?

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Speaker 2: This is a drop that was cultivated years ago, New England.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the friendly I say, we trust those How

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Speaker 2: great for our planet?

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Speaker 1: Is it great? Oh? We thought? Then I missed the

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Speaker 1: throne of sleeze. That was that's some good heat. And

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Speaker 1: then and then this just happened.

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Speaker 5: You say that the government is in possession of potentially

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Speaker 5: non human spacecraft based on your experience and extensive conversations

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Speaker 5: with experts, do you believe our government has made contact

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Speaker 5: with intelligent extraterrestrials?

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Speaker 6: Something I can't discuss in public.

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Speaker 5: Setting, okay, and I can't ask when you think this occurred?

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Speaker 5: If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier, do

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Speaker 5: we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft?

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Speaker 6: As I've stated publicly already in my News Nation interview,

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Speaker 6: biologics came with some of these recoveries.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, human or non human?

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Speaker 1: Biologics ask it got it?

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Speaker 3: Non human?

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Speaker 6: And that was the assessment of people which re acknowledge

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Speaker 6: on the program I talk to that are currently still

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Speaker 6: on the program.

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Speaker 7: Hello, Hello, Hello, and and then talk quote this morning

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Speaker 7: as I do, I wake up and I went to

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Speaker 7: check New York Times, and I was like, obviously this

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Speaker 7: is a major story, right, This was uh?

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Speaker 2: That was David Grossch testified under oath that the US

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Speaker 2: government has recovered non human biological remains from the crash

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Speaker 2: side of unidentified craft. Made that revelation during questions from

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Speaker 2: South Carolina's US Rep. Nancy Mason. Hi Nancy Mays at

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Speaker 2: Oversay Committee hearing. I couldn't even find it on the Times, Okay,

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Speaker 2: the Great Lady, the paper of record.

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Speaker 1: So what's going on? It's a cover up, Clayban, What do.

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Speaker 2: You got because you're I feel like you're exploding to

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Speaker 2: get a take out there probably take down the whole thing.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean it was the same take I had yesterday.

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Speaker 3: So we have a person who has given some interviews

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Speaker 3: he references the interviews because he's under oath. Right, if

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Speaker 3: you want to talk about like a non human biologic

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Speaker 3: being on a craft that could literally be a paper

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Speaker 3: airplane with an ant on it, all right, hat Like

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Speaker 3: he didn't specifically say hatch, but these were extraterrestrial.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know cla about this because come on

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Speaker 3: So again the thing that.

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Speaker 8: What's the story with this guy, I have to admit,

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Speaker 8: I'm not I've learned everything about this story.

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Speaker 1: That's what the government wants.

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Speaker 9: A manyg is scanning the Washington Post for that.

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Speaker 8: I haven't been or Andy who the guy is on Wikipedia?

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Speaker 3: If the government was so motivated to stop this, would

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Speaker 3: he have been able to say this in the first place.

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Speaker 3: I just I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'd say it. My antennas up a little bit on this.

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Speaker 2: Why New Years would be, but even beyond like Mark

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Speaker 2: and conspiracy theories and other worldly things. I mean, and

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Speaker 2: I have a cousin, big dog, who's way into aliens

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Speaker 2: a biologic And I said, you get the camera out.

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Speaker 2: He said, Now we were in the pool, of course,

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Speaker 2: But I believe him too.

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Speaker 1: Something's happening here.

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Speaker 3: I believe your cousin more than I believe this particular person,

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Speaker 8: I did see our friend Jason Zumwat was asking for

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Speaker 8: extraterrestrial bereen. And I had no context for it, because

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Speaker 8: think the sound drop though, is in reference to the

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Speaker 8: I'm in on the plane who who is convinced that

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Speaker 8: I looked at Mark at the time and he looked skeptical.

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Speaker 8: Even just assuming that we're all humans here, you didn't

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Speaker 8: these players are humans. So this has been holstered for

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Speaker 8: a bit and just kind of works.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, although it works on this level too, works on

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Speaker 9: multiple levels, like any good zumwhell drop and.

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Speaker 1: Not for nothing scored in my right.

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Speaker 2: Kind of a classic alien move to be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: On a paper airplane.

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Speaker 2: Classic alien move again in Hiding Insight, if I had

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Speaker 2: evidence of extraterrestrial intelligent life and somebody asked about it,

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Speaker 2: I would answer the question right like.

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Speaker 8: There could be repercussions too, but it's only a repercussions

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Speaker 3: If there's repercussions, then why would he be there at

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Speaker 3: the first plo Or if you're telling the truth, let's

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Speaker 3: stick a pin in it, Okay? If you want people

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Speaker 3: to know. Tell everybody like mister alien man, like, don't

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Speaker 2: I think, like maybe it doesn't feel safe because this

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Speaker 4: Not a small story.

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Speaker 9: If it's true, it's a large story, and it's gonna change.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it's still like we'll still be talking about

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Speaker 2: But well, Barbenheimer, it's like, how about we check out

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Speaker 3: I'm all, we're not We're not silencing this on ATM.

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Speaker 3: We're ready for the discussion. We're not a part of anything.

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Speaker 8: We're leading the show with it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. That was important to lead the show if

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Speaker 3: you want to be able to believe. Society has developed

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Speaker 3: technology to travel faster than the speed of light. They

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Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna do this. I knew it.

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Speaker 8: Well, you were logical.

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Speaker 3: They figured everything out except oxygen. They're like, whoa, what

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Speaker 9: Oh god, Mark, I I I believe I tend to Uh,

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Speaker 9: I'm open minded.

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Speaker 4: I'd say vastly open minded to the and.

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Speaker 8: I feel like you're you're not even in. You're closed

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Speaker 9: On one side, I think there's a lot of stuff

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm definitely not saying that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I'm with you there.

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Speaker 1: I just live off the fence. Rosenthal.

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Speaker 3: I listened to what that guy said, and I don't

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Speaker 3: issue with that.

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Speaker 1: Well that's your Uh, yeah, you're right and you're not.

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Speaker 2: You're had in agreement, greg But you don't know about

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Speaker 2: that because they've been hiding the story.

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Speaker 1: In this hearing, we got it.

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Speaker 4: It's got to get.

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Speaker 1: Like Gregson, the conspiracy runs deep.

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Speaker 4: I like to see that you're open minded.

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Speaker 1: Dan.

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Speaker 4: I thought maybe you'd be on the other side.

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Speaker 2: And think about that, because usually this would be something

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Speaker 2: fact that Zeuser is on this yep, got Daddy Rich

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Speaker 9: I can't convince you that Learvey Hoswold might have had

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Speaker 2: Ear had a great angle from the sixth floor and

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Speaker 2: he was cooking that like tweets from nineteen sixty. I mean,

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Speaker 2: terribly terrible would happened in Dallas, but sure it was

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Speaker 2: an assassin that had a good day.

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Speaker 9: Officially tracked is like a terrible shot in the Marines.

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Speaker 9: But that's fine. Suddenly, I'm sure he worked on an

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Speaker 1: You know it happens.

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Speaker 3: Blonde squirrel, blond squirrel.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the news. This is even crazier,

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Speaker 2: I think than what we just talked about. Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: and the Jets agreed to a new two year, seventy

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Speaker 1: Hell Raiser had this Roger is taking Can I just

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Speaker 2: The last few months have been as a Jets fan,

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Speaker 2: and I'm waiting for the football to get pulled out

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Speaker 2: while also being more optimistic than I've ever been about

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Speaker 1: It's I'm very you know, it's clashing obviously.

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Speaker 2: Internally, but everything that's come out has been good news,

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Speaker 2: and this is the latest good news.

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Speaker 1: Rogers took a pay cut of roughly thirty five.

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Speaker 2: Million dollars, And just to put that in perspective, Saquon

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Speaker 2: Barkley just signed that fugazi deal with the Giants, who

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Speaker 2: wouldn't play ball for him trying to get an extra million,

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Speaker 2: Like He's like, I'm gonna give up the rights to

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Speaker 2: get this franchise tag used on me this year, so

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Speaker 2: maybe I could hit incentives that get me an extra

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Speaker 2: mill and get me to eleven. Rogers took a pay

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Speaker 2: cut of roughly thirty five million as his previous deal

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Speaker 2: at nearly one hundred and ten million guaranteed remaining per

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Speaker 2: Pela Sero, and a lot of the money is comes

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Speaker 2: due next season with skip for Rodgers more reason to

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Speaker 2: play a second season, which alleviates some others. Here Aaron

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Speaker 10: The team gave up significant pieces for just to be

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Speaker 10: a one year deal.

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Speaker 11: I'm aware of that.

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Speaker 10: I think there was an awareness of that. Now again,

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Speaker 10: anything can happen with my body or with the success

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Speaker 10: we have this year. But I'm having a blast, so

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Speaker 10: I don't really see this as a one year and

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Speaker 10: done thing.

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Speaker 2: Mark part of this feels like the biggest setup of

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Speaker 2: all time for Jets fans because right now it's like

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Speaker 1: It's wild.

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Speaker 4: No, no, I know.

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Speaker 9: But it's also I think it's just to your point,

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Speaker 9: Sean Payton will disagree.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's fine.

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Speaker 4: So what's not to like about this?

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Speaker 8: It was so surprising that I, you know, my immediate

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Speaker 1: Is it fake? Is it one of those yeah?

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Speaker 8: Is there more to the story? Is like Woody Johnson

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Speaker 8: And I did some research and one thing I didn't

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Speaker 8: And and it's strange in part this year because like

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Speaker 2: It's about spighting the Packers and the Jets this year.

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Speaker 9: So I do think I do think it's like I

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Speaker 9: you Patrick that it's trying I think pr yeah, to

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Speaker 9: But there's so much good will right now that even

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Speaker 8: But he got out that guaranteed money from then he's

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Speaker 4: They draft a Prosser, and I think that was that

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Speaker 9: It was like, you're it's a disrespect that, like the

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Speaker 9: in on them, and.

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Speaker 3: In that it kind of the Packers kind of get

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Speaker 3: like how does Davante feel about this circumstance? But like,

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Speaker 3: because I was looking at spow track spotwreck, I don't

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Speaker 3: but it was a forty point three dead cap hit

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Speaker 8: It's going to help them planning their twenty twenty four season,

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Speaker 8: no doubt.

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Speaker 3: That's like, I don't I don't know what other explanation

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Speaker 8: Well, he's also made I mean thirty seven million. He's

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Speaker 8: No kids go there? You know, kids are expensive, they

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Speaker 8: can be God.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I mentioned Dalvin Cook, the running back Dan the

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Speaker 1: Running backdam Lea.

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Speaker 2: Cook is flying to New York today Thursday to visit

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Speaker 2: with the Jets this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Pel Rays are reported.

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Speaker 2: Since Davin Cook's released from Minnesota, the Jets have been

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Speaker 2: one club rumored to be interested in the four time

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Speaker 2: All pro Breese Hall on the pup list right now.

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Speaker 2: They think the world of Hall in terms of his future,

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Speaker 2: but things are a little murky right now coming off

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Speaker 2: to me. That would just pump up expectations and excitement

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the Patriots are also reportedly in the mix, So

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Speaker 8: DeVante Adams might be kind of being like wondering what's

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Speaker 8: They got a little extra money now, there's a couple

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Speaker 8: of teams bidding for him, and I have an assignment

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Speaker 8: this month of the twenty twenty four free agents starting

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Speaker 8: the early list on that and you one one thing

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Speaker 8: that's not helping these running backs. I realized this year

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Speaker 8: that's part of the reason it's down. Saquon, Jonathan Taylor,

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Speaker 8: that's partly why running backs haven't been paid. But maybe

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Speaker 2: Now, let's because this is kind of connected to the Jets,

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Sean Payton, who man Sean Payton's feeling good.

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Speaker 2: He spoke with USA today and he was in a

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Speaker 2: chatty mood. He was a real chatty Kathy Jarret Bell

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Speaker 2: will give him the pop here. He did the conversation

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Speaker 2: and then wrote a fairly explosive story.

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Speaker 1: Here are the details.

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Speaker 2: Peyton called the work Nathaniel Hackett, who's now the OC

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Speaker 2: Peyton called the work of Hackett and his staff what

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Speaker 2: they did with the twenty twenty two Broncos quote one

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Speaker 2: of the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Is this something that ever happens either?

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Speaker 2: This coach on coach violence and said there were quote

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Speaker 2: twenty dirty hands around quarterback Russell Wilson's career worst season

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Speaker 2: when he led the league. He took fifty five sacks

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Speaker 2: Peyton summed up the experience of what happened last year

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Speaker 2: doing the opposite. I'mna I'm gonna gregy, Like I said,

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Speaker 2: you don't usually see coaches go after each other. Peyton

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Speaker 2: does also mention he doesn't even know Hackett, which made

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Speaker 2: it easier, I'm sure to fire off these shots.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting, Yeah, he says.

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Speaker 8: It doesn't happen often where an NFL team organization gets embarrassed,

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Speaker 8: and that's what happened here. He said. They spent so

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Speaker 1: You were very big.

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Speaker 2: We pointed out that Hackett was in awe of Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson and that opening press conference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed a little bit weird.

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Speaker 4: Well it was entertaining, but they it became very non entertaining.

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Speaker 8: There was like a three, you know, and it was

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Speaker 8: great that we got this access. But there was an

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Speaker 8: with Hackett and Wilson together where it was like, this

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Speaker 4: Down here, very exciting.

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Speaker 8: I loved I love this though, like it reminds me

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Speaker 8: of another Peyton story this offseason. I don't know if

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Speaker 8: you saw that video that went around.

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Speaker 1: Around the draft.

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Speaker 8: He was yeah, yeah, So I'm just saying, when have

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Speaker 8: I said some of the things that I regret the

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Speaker 8: most in my life? When are my words a little

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Speaker 8: looser than others, maybe like like the real deal, even

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Speaker 8: a little like harder ed cynical words come out sometimes

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Speaker 8: in that situation. So I'm not I'm just connecting dots here.

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Speaker 8: Maybe maybe maybe you can connect them.

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Speaker 9: Do you think during this interview that maybe I mean

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Speaker 9: I have It's not a little loose. It's a tugging cheek.

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Speaker 9: But yes, yes, have you ever been Colorado times?

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Speaker 8: That's what I'm saying. Sometimes like the truth, or maybe

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Speaker 8: even worse than the truth, comes out where you're just

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Speaker 8: trying to like like bury people.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know that it's that spicy.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the things that he said, can I

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Speaker 2: give you a little bit more? Just a little bit more?

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: So then after all that, and then he directly goes

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Speaker 2: He mentioned like, we're not marching around people and all

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Speaker 2: this stuff. We're not doing any of that. The Jets

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Speaker 2: did that this year. You watch hard Knocks, all of it.

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Speaker 2: I can see it coming.

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Speaker 8: And then this is where he really started, like.

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Speaker 2: Should before we get Clay bounds thoughts, let's here Robert Sala. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: Flora Park and he's asked about his team getting buried

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Speaker 11: Well, I'm not gonna acknowledge Sean on that is he

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Speaker 11: you know, he's been the league while he can say

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Speaker 11: whatever the hell he wants. But uh, but as far

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Speaker 11: as you know what we have going on here, it's

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Speaker 11: I love this, you know the I kind of lived

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Speaker 11: by the same. If you ain't got no haters, you

444
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 11: ain't popping so hate a way, oh something right, if

445
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 11: you don't talk about us when we don't play it

446
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,359
Speaker 11: till week four, you know, but five. Oh, the guys

447
00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 11: in the locker room, they've earned everything that's coming to

448
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 11: them and really excited about what's going on. I think

449
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,159
Speaker 11: Hacket's doing a phenomenal job here him, the coaching staff

450
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 11: is doing a phenomenal job. And and we're focused on us.

451
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 11: I get it. There's a lot of external noise. There's

452
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 11: a lot of people who are hating on us. There's

453
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 11: a lot of people looking for us to fail. There's

454
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 11: a lot of crows peccinget or neck. But all you

455
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,880
Speaker 11: can do is spread your wings, keep flying high until

456
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 11: those crows fall off and suffocate from the inability to breathe.

457
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 11: Another joke.

458
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 9: Anyway, this is the coach that didn't want to be

459
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 9: on hard knocks. It's gonna be like one of the

460
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 9: better hard knocks. So soliloquies of all.

461
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 3: Time, right, now you can hear the Hard Knocks music

462
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 3: going on exactly exactly. Patrick, your thoughts, Uh, that was

463
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 3: wasn't all this the reason that coach Sala didn't want

464
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:09,600
Speaker 3: to do Hard Knocks?

465
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Speaker 8: Like that he was he was kind of like he's

466
00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:13,440
Speaker 8: kind of on Peyton's corner.

467
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 3: He was like a distraction truther about like the way

468
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 3: this and so Sean Payton's saying what Robert Sala initially

469
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 3: said before Hard Knocks, like he just mentioned the Jets,

470
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,920
Speaker 3: and like the conversation around Sewn.

471
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: Is very loose, and he was shooting from the hip,

472
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: it seemed.

473
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 3: I don't think he said like Robert Sala and the

474
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 3: Jets are going to do a bad job or anything

475
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 3: like he believes in this. I guess myth that, like

476
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 3: do you watch he said makes you play bad or something?

477
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 9: I like, I love this phrase marching people around and

478
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 9: all this stuff.

479
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 1: Guys, you watch, I can see it coming.

480
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 2: He's saying that Jets are gonna flop this year because

481
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: of the things that they're doing.

482
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 9: I think I think I think part of it because

483
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 9: you know, Sean Payton, who was a pupil of Bill Parcells,

484
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 9: who was a master of this kind of stuff. Part

485
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 9: of it is like he's looking at a locker room

486
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 9: in which Russell Wilson essentially lost the team year ago.

487
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 9: I mean, beyond all the fire of what he's saying,

488
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 9: I think he's trying to reset the table and be like,

489
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 9: we've got to believe in our quarterback a little bit.

490
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 9: There are reasons beyond Russell Wilson that this team was

491
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 9: an epic disaster last year, and I think from a

492
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 9: coaching angle, he saw malfeasance, just an absolute loss of responsibility.

493
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 9: And when we watched the Broncos, I mean literally that

494
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 9: stadium was booing them because of time management.

495
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 2: They had more pre snap penalties and fractions, they couldn't

496
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: even get a play and all that was true.

497
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Speaker 1: I mean he's just saying that's all over crazy that Peyton.

498
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a guy that's very confident in himself

499
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: and is known as kind of a dude that will,

500
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 2: you know, not afraid to stick his chest out. It's

501
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 2: in that old Parcels mode that you'd be so public

502
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: about it. But I think maybe he's trying to rebrand

503
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: the Broncos after a very humbling year.

504
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: And I don't hate on it. I just would you know.

505
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 8: Now it's file like we're doing you know, fun NFL

506
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 8: rivalries later. I mean Broncos Jets is now on my list.

507
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: Hey in Salah.

508
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,679
Speaker 2: By the way, Salah would kill Peyton in a physical battle.

509
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: That's true at midfield.

510
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 8: I love that Peyton's giving me like late career parcels

511
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 8: with the Cowboys and then Dolphins vibes, except like he

512
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 8: goes out and has fun and doesn't seem like miserable

513
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 8: off the fields. It's an exciting combination.

514
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 3: Like That's the thing though, And that's why I point out,

515
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 3: like the whole distraction truther thing doesn't mean anything because

516
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 3: like Sean Payton has been at the center of so

517
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 3: many distractions. Ye, like Sean Payton had a bio pick

518
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 3: two years ago, Like he knows that this whole like, oh,

519
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 3: people paying attention makes you bad. Like no, like Sean

520
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 3: Payton knows that you execute, you put guys in the

521
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 3: right situation, you're gonna win football game. And he just

522
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 3: likes doing this. And Bill Parcells loved attention too.

523
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: Yes right, yeah, yes, yeah, he doesn't remember remember when.

524
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 2: Even when Sean Payton was forced out of the league

525
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 2: by bounty gate, he made sure there was a giant

526
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: poster of Sean Payton's face in the practice bubble and

527
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: that ensuing season without script, do your job on it.

528
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: Even then he was like, this is gonna be about me.

529
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: He likes it.

530
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: I mean, these are almost signed up for it in

531
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: part right.

532
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 4: These are not ego free individuals.

533
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 9: These are not uh you know, you're external power based,

534
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 9: ego heavy dudes who liked I think this is I

535
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 9: love that. It's July twenty seventh and this is the

536
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,360
Speaker 9: kind of spice.

537
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 8: Yestetting and I don't want to hear. I saw some

538
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 8: things like has this ever happened? Where coaches coming at

539
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 8: each other and stuff? And it's like, I can't think

540
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 8: of anything recently. But when you read the old like

541
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 8: historic football books, like they used to go at each

542
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 8: other so much more because it didn't get as much

543
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 8: attention where they would be talking trash like crazy about

544
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 8: other teams, players, other teams, coaches, coaches going at each other.

545
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 8: Let's bring that.

546
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 9: I may have one for you during our segment. Oh good, Oh,

547
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 9: And I guess that reminded me of this, just to

548
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:41,959
Speaker 9: put a bow on it.

549
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: Having seen Nathaniel Hackett with his two daughters, leaving Las

550
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: Vegas after he took them to the Taylor Swift Show.

551
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: Kind of feel bad for him.

552
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, well he's getting your.

553
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 2: Wait, absolutely say, he's just trying to like restart his career. Yeah,

554
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: and you got this goon and Denver just bringing it

555
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: back up and dragging him through the mud.

556
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 4: Just like us.

557
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 9: We woke up and learned that these quotes were available

558
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 9: available to the public, and so did he and we

559
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 9: got to have ruined this morning.

560
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 8: It's like Hackett's like, what are they Like, he's checking

561
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 8: Rotor World and he's like, well, they change the site,

562
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 8: but like which one is the player?

563
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: Wait?

564
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 8: And what did they say?

565
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: It's like, who's that on the grassy null? Only got

566
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: is Sean Payton, but I don't even know him. He's

567
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: also reading that at his job, you know that he has.

568
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: There's plenty of coaches that did not have all of

569
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: these things happen and they are currently not employed.

570
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 9: So he's definitely more upset about the rebranding of Roto World,

571
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 9: which has been confusing for all of us.

572
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: Look, we're working through it.

573
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: Jim Mersey, another guy who likes to talk the owner

574
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: of the cults all the drama about running backs not

575
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: getting their due, running backs doing text chains, running backs

576
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 2: doing zoom meetings, running backs leaving their teams without signing

577
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: their franchise tag, and URSA is like what Even his

578
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,719
Speaker 2: own running back, Jonathan Taylor has been very vocal about

579
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: wanting a new deal, and Ersay had this to say

580
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: of the big storyline, we have negotiated a CBA that

581
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 2: took years of effort and hard work and compromise in

582
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: good faith by both sides, wrote Wednesday, and social media

583
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: to say now that a specific player category wants another

584
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: negotiation after the fact is inappropriate. Some agents are selling

585
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: bad faith. Greg, do you agree.

586
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 8: No, because cbas are changed on the fly. I just

587
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 8: teed you up to destroy agents again this when I'm

588
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 8: on the agent's side, I guess. I mean, I think

589
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 8: he was responding not to Jonathan Taylor's specific situation, But

590
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 8: Jonathan Taylor has been vocal. He seems as upset with

591
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 8: his contract situation as any running back out there, and

592
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 8: so that's that's part of this. But I actually think

593
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 8: ers was responding to Naje Harris spoke about that maybe

594
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 8: they could adjust away the franchise tag for running backs

595
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 8: and adjustments do happen to the CBA actually before they

596
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 8: like re sign the whole thing, so that the idea

597
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 8: that they're bringing this up as a potential solution is

598
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 8: definitely not inappropriate. And I think Ers just needs to work.

599
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 8: Like he's never that, his tweets are never clear. He

600
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 8: needs someone, he needs an editor.

601
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 9: Well, he used to always reference his administrative assistant to

602
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 9: reach out and you know, do trivia and all this

603
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 9: stuff with her. This, like the whole running back situation,

604
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 9: I'm starting to get the topic is starting to become

605
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 9: tiresome because there's nothing new to say about it. It

606
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 9: starts to make me I just feel like they maybe

607
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 9: they need to find a way to truly make a difference,

608
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 9: because it's like, you know, there wants a bunch of

609
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 9: angry British people who decided to leave England for the

610
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 9: new world. Like what if every running back banded together

611
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 9: and say we're out of here, Like every running back

612
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 9: leaves every roster and it's like, go play a football

613
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 9: season with no running backs.

614
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 4: Let's see how that works.

615
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 3: It's do they have the power and capability to do that?

616
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 4: Like unfortunately, well just don't show up to work.

617
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 3: For Jonathan Taylor for sake, on Barkley, Like the solution

618
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: to all of these things aren't going to happen in

619
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: the span of their careers, right, Yeah, Like for the

620
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: rookie wage scale went in in twenty eleven, Like Jonathan

621
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: Taylor may have been thirteen years old at that point.

622
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 3: Like these things happen on these giant glacial time frames,

623
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 3: and so like the average length of the NFL career

624
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: has shortened since that CBA, right, and it continues to

625
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 3: get shorter, And if you don't play as long, then

626
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: you're not going to have as much opportunity over time.

627
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: And and so like the most recent CBA, I think

628
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: passed by sixty votes. It wasn't like a slam dunk

629
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: that they got this deal done, and so like that's

630
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: why I was looking back at Saquon, like what were

631
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 3: his actual options like for him in twenty twenty three?

632
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 8: Right?

633
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 3: I think that's what some guys are gonna have to

634
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: ask themselves because the solutions might not exist while they're

635
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: still playing.

636
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 8: Right I mentioned all those free agents. This topic is

637
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 8: tirre to my agree, Mark, and it's not going away.

638
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 8: I think it's going to be cranked up next year

639
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 8: with all those free agents. I did want to Jonathan

640
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 8: Taylor's agent responded to that tweet, bad faith is not

641
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 8: paying your top offensive player. So this is something where

642
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 8: like the loose lips I guess of earthsa here is

643
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 8: creating a issue.

644
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: Even if it's not about his running back.

645
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: If it's the owner of the Colts saying this, of course,

646
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor's gonna be like, huh and and hey, JT.

647
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: Just so you know, and I like you. I think

648
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: you have a big bounce back season perhaps coming up.

649
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 2: If that ankle is healthy, You're not getting extended. Because

650
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: Chris Ballard then followed up the GM of the Colts,

651
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: we're coming off a four win season. We have a

652
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: new coaching staff, so we kind of let it play

653
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: out as it does and make those decisions when we

654
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: need to make those decisions.

655
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: So tough sitch, tough.

656
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 3: Stitch, maybe he should play have a great season. If

657
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: the Colts make the playoffs, maybe Jonathan Taylor should say,

658
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: all right, see you.

659
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: Guys, he's real. Finally eight o'clock delight, Greg Oh shoot.

660
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 8: JK. Dobbins is on the pup list. But John Harbaugh

661
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 8: and his sneaky John Harbaugh way kind of made it obvious.

662
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 8: It might be a holdout situation that you gotta ask JK.

663
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: Nice, You're not gonna contract any other about.

664
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 8: Buddha Baker is in camp, got a little extra money,

665
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 8: got an incentive, so no hold out there. Cowboys safety

666
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 8: Donovan Wilson is out four to six weeks. He just

667
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 8: got paid to Jalen Ramsey got carted off the field

668
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 8: in Dolphins Cape. We don't know too much about that,

669
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 8: but it's a little scary.

670
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: Yikes.

671
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 8: Trey Hendrickson trigg a tray of Saints. Fien gets a

672
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 8: one year tacked onto his career, and then John Ross

673
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 8: the number nine overall pick.

674
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: Of what draft was that twenty seventeen yep.

675
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 8: One pick ahead of Patrick mahone owl. He pointed that out,

676
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 8: Sorry to take your name.

677
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: No, that's what she was ready to fire though, No.

678
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 9: That I mean that's Dutch draft had very few wide receivers.

679
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 9: He was the only one in the first round. Cooper

680
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 9: Cuplan in the third though.

681
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: Sounds like a classic redraft scenario.

682
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 4: It's good first round in general, but not for the Bengals.

683
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 8: We never did the real redraft.

684
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: Nice exercise, that's what's happening. In the news. We'll be

685
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: right back right before we get to our conversation piece today,

686
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: which is our favorite rivalries heading into twenty twenty three,

687
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: Let's start with, as promised, long teased, Mark, our conversation

688
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: on the Netflix series Quarterback, the eight part series Omaha Productions.

689
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 2: It's Peyton Manning. He's the executive producer of this project

690
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: in conjunction with NFL.

691
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 8: Kind of on fire, like he does this nice job.

692
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 8: Does the podcast set you building something quietly?

693
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: And what is Quarterbacks? If you haven't watched our Quarterback?

694
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: It is a study of three professional passers in the

695
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: NFL at different levels in their career, Patrick Mahomes, the

696
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: Great Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins of the Vikings, and Marcus

697
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: Mariota in his final season with the Falcons.

698
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: So let's get into it.

699
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 9: Mark, Well, no, all right, so, uh you know, Well,

700
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 9: to be real with you, I told you that I knew.

701
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 9: I was on vacation with family last week. Yes, and

702
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 9: I went the minute this started to percolate and everyone's

703
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 9: talking about I'm getting DMS about this show, it's like, Oh,

704
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 9: I'm like just like, well, no, I'm hoping. I'm hoping

705
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 9: that you guys discussed it while it was gone, because

706
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 9: it's like I don't have the bandwidth to watch eight

707
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 9: episodes right now on the on this vacation or suddenly

708
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 9: do it all in one day. And I just decided

709
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 9: I made this decision. Uh well a couple things like

710
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 9: I just made the decision. One point, I'm not doing it,

711
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 9: no harm, no foul, I'm happy for Peyton Manny. I'm

712
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 9: just not going to do it. And this like wave

713
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 9: of freedom came over me. But I did add it

714
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 9: to my list of you know, everyone's these shows that

715
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 9: everyone's telling me I have to go watch that I have.

716
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 9: It's here, It's somewhere on this list. I will watch Quarterback,

717
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 9: after the Wire Breaking, Bad Better Call, Saul, Big Love,

718
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 9: The Shield, Deadwood, Dexter, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Freaks and Geeks,

719
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 9: then Quarterback. And I'm not gonna I want you to

720
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 9: feel free to discuss this wonderful series the way that

721
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 9: you wish. So I'm gonna hard out of this series

722
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 9: of this conversation, but I want to leave you with

723
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 9: Connor Orr's comments from a couple of days ago about this,

724
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 9: because this is what sent me on this journey of

725
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 9: not caring.

726
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: By the way, Later this week, we will offer some

727
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: of our thoughts about Quarterback, the Netflix series that evolves

728
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes prominently. Have you been watching that, Connor.

729
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 12: No, because I think ninety of that is just terrible.

730
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 12: Both like it's just like like all this stuff about

731
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 12: like all inside the mind of a quarterback, like he

732
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 12: memorizes plays and throws the ball and it's like, yeah, man,

733
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 12: and we work hard at what we have to do,

734
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 12: like we're all amazing, all.

735
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: Right, enjoy it all right?

736
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 8: And Mark Mark marks out taking off is a big

737
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 8: spectacle of himself about this. It seems he's left the

738
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 8: cat computer. He's gonna have to come back for the segment.

739
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,720
Speaker 3: But the door closes slowly, so like it was awkward?

740
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: Is it?

741
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: I'm sorry because again I said on the other show,

742
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 2: like I am I just a goober for being into

743
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: this content?

744
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: Is it a cool thing not to watch? Like to

745
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: watch this? No, I think he's gotten maybe is it

746
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: edgy to skip out on this?

747
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 8: No, I think it's gotten different reactions. But I think

748
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 8: it's got a lot of fans. It's done by NFL.

749
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: I sure lock them calorbacks can't watch watch this show.

750
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 8: Did NFL Films make it or they just use the

751
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 8: NFL films.

752
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't clear to me.

753
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: It has a very the aesthetic, right, and of course

754
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 3: if you use NFL Films footage, it's going to have that,

755
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: But there's something about it that feels rather hard knocks.

756
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 8: I mean, they they produced it, they were one of

757
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 8: the three productions.

758
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: They were definitely part of it.

759
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: But it's if just to give you because you know,

760
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: I was doing some research on it and NFL Films

761
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: wasn't actively promoting it in this same way that Omaha

762
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: Productions Twitter.

763
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: Handle is promoted. It doesn't really matter. We're in the

764
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: weeds a little bit.

765
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: So while Mark is taking his break, I want to

766
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 2: share my thoughts on it because I loved it from

767
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: the perspective of learning more about Mahomes and cousins, and

768
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 2: I thought that was really interesting. Some of the other stuff,

769
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: the structure of it. It was maybe familiar to other

770
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: programs you watched in the past, but I think Mahomes,

771
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 2: I'll start with Mahomes and curious what you guys think, Like,

772
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: I found him to be so interesting and how unassuming

773
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: he is. There's nothing for a guy that has had

774
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 2: the level of success and the greatness. There's nothing that

775
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: feels like mythological about him or awe inspiring. The way

776
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: he walks, his talk, he talks, his stature, the way

777
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: he carries himself.

778
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: He's not like.

779
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: There was a moment in the when they get into

780
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 2: the AFC title game and they show Burrow walking in

781
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: and he's all swaggy and he just has this look

782
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: and this aura about him. Mahomes to me, doesn't have that,

783
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: and yet he out there and he is arguably on

784
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: pace to be the greatest quarterback ever. So I thought

785
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: it was kind of cool, how to see someone this special.

786
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah uh be.

787
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to say normal, because there's nothing normal

788
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 2: about Patrick Mahomes, but seemed like a relatable, regular dude

789
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: and not It's almost it was kind of jarring to

790
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: me to see him not be this bigger than life

791
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: figure in the context that we get to know him

792
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: in the show.

793
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 8: He carries being Patrick Mahomes pretty lightly, considering how difficult

794
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 8: that is. I think for a lot of people like

795
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 8: I don't think Tom Brady could have invited cameras in

796
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 8: at this stage of his career and been comfortable about

797
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 8: that and there's a story how Peyton Manning kind of

798
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 8: convinced Mahomes didn't want to do it, and Manning did it.

799
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 8: Just thought it would be a really interesting exercise. And

800
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 8: I thought about that because I think I understand why

801
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 8: Jalen Hurts would say no. I would understand why anyone

802
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 8: would say no. But I can also see why Mahomes

803
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 8: is uniquely able to just say yes, because like he's

804
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 8: so comfortable in his own skin and that he can

805
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 8: handle anything because everything is going on around him. There's

806
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 8: he's got his family, he's got his brother is a

807
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 8: little bit of a you know issue, and different pops.

808
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 8: Everything's happening. He's got, he's got being Patrick Mahumes, and

809
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 8: he carries it all. It's just like, well, of course

810
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 8: this is what I'm doing, and you're right. I think

811
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 8: it gave a good look into that I haven't finished.

812
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 8: I have to admit I have not finished it yet,

813
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 8: but I'm a finished. I don't have like a hot

814
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 8: take on it. That's I mean, sometimes you don't have

815
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 8: to tweet about something. Mine is like, it's pretty enjoyable watch.

816
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 8: It's like a perfect thing to watch while you're like

817
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 8: eating lunch. It's like, maybe you're not gonna I'm not

818
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 8: gonna carve out nine to ten pm to sit and

819
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 8: watch it necessarily, but I'm going to get through it

820
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 8: because there's enough interesting parts about it. I enjoy it.

821
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 3: I think the only I don't really have a hot take.

822
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 3: I think Dan maybe expecting you to have one.

823
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I don't. Everybody thinks they have a

824
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 1: hot take now.

825
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: Now, well, No, it's like in the in the context,

826
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: because I've seen.

827
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 8: It a few criticisms about all three of these.

828
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: Guys, right, people who generally are very very critical of

829
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins have come away saying, oh, well, you know,

830
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: I feel better about Kirk.

831
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: Now well.

832
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: I think that's what context does. And it's not like

833
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: perfect context because this is like produced for these quarterbacks, right,

834
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 3: and they do want people to be a part of it.

835
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: But I think maybe the takeaway some people should have

836
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: is well as good of a job that folks do

837
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 3: in NFL media do, and as good as a job

838
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 3: as the teams do, maybe there is information that I

839
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: don't necessarily have access to when I'm making judgments about

840
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: these particular people, and maybe I should give be a

841
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 3: little more lenient, like the Mariota situation about quitting on

842
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 3: the team in all those things, because I think that's

843
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 3: come up a few times where the team always wants

844
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: you to have surgery on your time, right, don't have

845
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: surgery on our time on the team time, right, Like

846
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 3: like a Michael Thomas type situation. But it's like, well,

847
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: if I'm looking out for myself and my bodies.

848
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 8: If I'm going to get cut anyway, yeah.

849
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 3: Like, shouldn't I have the surgery now if I want

850
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: to play next year versus like I'm gonna Oh.

851
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: I disagree with you guys on that. I think Mariota.

852
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 2: I felt for Mariota a little bit because it was

853
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: clear and it makes sense. He put all of his

854
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 2: eggs in the twenty twenty two Falcons basket, and he

855
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: talks about that as the season's beginning and ramping up,

856
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: and they have a little bit of success at the

857
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: end of September, and you know, he had this golden

858
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: opportunity to be a starter again, this former Heisman Trophy

859
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: winner who was a number two overall pick, and it

860
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: hadn't really worked out, and now here it was out

861
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: in front of him again.

862
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: And when it goes.

863
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 2: Sideways, you know, I see they go into the bye

864
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: week and he gets bench during the bye week a

865
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: day after his baby's born, and that's an emotional time

866
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 2: for anyone. His head coach says, listen, there's nothing going

867
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: on with his knee that has restricted him this season

868
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 2: in terms of practicing games.

869
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: And he just took off and went back to Vegas.

870
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: And you know, you had a young quarterback on that

871
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: roster that was now becoming the starter. It actually surprised

872
00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 2: me based on basically how I saw him relation to cousins.

873
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: Mahomes is a guy that maybe the passion is not

874
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: at the same level, and I was a little surprised

875
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: at the Eagles then jumped at him and brought him

876
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: back in, brought him in there. Even at the end

877
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: of the last episode, he says. He has a quote

878
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: where he says, I was really hoping for something West.

879
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: I was trying to come back closer to home, but

880
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: Philadelphia was very supportive. I just don't know if he's

881
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: like the dude that's really all about ball and leaving

882
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: that team.

883
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: It's just I think something you don't do, and he

884
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: did it.

885
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be a lot harder for him

886
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 3: to get this opportunity if he waits to have surgery

887
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: four months ago, right, Like, if he doesn't.

888
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: Do the surgery, what kind of surgery was it?

889
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: Don't it was a miniscus surgery, right right, And so

890
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: like we talk about timelines and like the severity of surgery,

891
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 3: it's still surgery, you know, Like I don't think people

892
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 3: are necessarily doing it for fun.

893
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 8: Right Arthur Smith, I guess was putting it like he

894
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 8: could play through it and then have surgery later, but.

895
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: He needed He also left the team.

896
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: He's gone, Yeah, flew back to Vegas, and that was

897
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 2: the end of his connection to the Falcons.

898
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 8: The big winner is absolutely Kirk Cousins. Like he he

899
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 8: just comes across very likable. It's interesting to like, I

900
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 8: haven't watched the whole series that the episode on them

901
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 8: playing through pain and kind they tried to structure in

902
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 8: a way where there were different themes and I think

903
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 8: there were some benefits of that, and there were some negatives,

904
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 8: Like one was like the mental side of it. One

905
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 8: was like playing through injuries and everything. But you just

906
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 8: see how much it means to Kirk Cousins, And he's

907
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 8: a very likable person in general, and you see how

908
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 8: good a I think, how he communicates with everyone around him,

909
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 8: That's something I wouldn't have understood, like his his coaches,

910
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 8: Kevin O'Connell. But I just love him in general, and

911
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 8: he comes off Yeah, he comes off really really good

912
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 8: in this too. The trick is to what you said earlier,

913
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 8: Patrick is like it is it. It does feel a

914
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 8: little infomercially, even more than a Hard Knocks. I feel

915
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 8: like does like it just could have been shorter, that's all.

916
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 8: It's like, I don't need Patrick Mahomes for five minutes

917
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 8: at an amusement park playing with it because there's nothing

918
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 8: interesting about that. So you're asking someone to watch that

919
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 8: and it's like there's there's nothing compelling about that, and

920
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 8: there's just a few too many items of that, just

921
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 8: like we're having a barbecue, but like nothing, there's no

922
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 8: dynamics within that barbecue that we're interesting either. So it's

923
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 8: just like was eight hours, So it's like it could

924
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 8: have been three hours, you know, it could have been

925
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 8: like four hours or something.

926
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: Some people might like seeing that more.

927
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 8: I like it, but I guess like you could pick

928
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 8: and choose because there were parts where they featured their

929
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 8: private life that were compelling and interesting, but it was

930
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 8: like eight hours is you know, it's like the whole

931
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 8: Godfather series. I saw. Florio said, it's immediately the most interest,

932
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 8: the most important and like compelling, you know NFL show

933
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 8: there is, And I would argue, I would argue against

934
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 8: that because I don't think it's given you as as

935
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 8: like real a look as I yeah, I think I

936
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 8: think it was entertaining too. I'm not I'm not pooping

937
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 8: on it. I just wish it was a little short.

938
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 3: In terms of the miked up stuff on the field,

939
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: Like we get that, like films is doing that stuff

940
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 3: all the time, and I think it's the best part.

941
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: Like the the O'Connell cousins interaction during the Bills game

942
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: where Kirk is getting beat up like Ed Oliver landed

943
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: on his rooms. His ribs were already bruised and he's

944
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 3: having trouble breathing and O'Connell's like you okay.

945
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm hurt. Yeah anywhere that's real.

946
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 8: And there was one where he kind of gets mad

947
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 8: at Kirk fritzing out on a play call essentially, and Kirk's.

948
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: Kind of audibling into a sneak that leads to a

949
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: bad you know.

950
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, And it was so funny because Kirk was saying

951
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 8: his dad scouting report of him back when Kirk was

952
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 8: like a high school player is the same thing now.

953
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 8: And even in this show, you can see maybe what

954
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 8: prevents Kirk from being even another level. I mean, he's

955
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 8: maxed out his career pretty well, but he's so hard

956
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 8: on himself. He's always kind of revisiting all the things

957
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 8: he does wrong that you almost feel like that that

958
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 8: is a week maybe that maybe the greats aren't quite

959
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 8: like that, Like he's always beating himself up and sort

960
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 8: of revisiting in the moment what he's doing wrong, like

961
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 8: he can't totally let go. And you see that a little.

962
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: Bit here is Cousins.

963
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: He was looking at his dad was I believe he

964
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 2: was his coach in high school and sharing kind of

965
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: an and the end of the season progress report, which

966
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: he did for all of his players, including his own son.

967
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 13: He said, to work on you need to be a

968
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 13: more vocal leader. Your footwork needs to get better. And

969
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 13: so it's funny because if you were to give this

970
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 13: to a scout on the Vikings right now, they'd probably

971
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 13: say that that's pretty accurate to this day, you know,

972
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 13: twenty years later. I was fourteen when he wrote this,

973
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 13: and then he wrote at the end, he said, Kirk,

974
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 13: if you keep developing, you could someday be an All

975
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 13: Conference and maybe even an All State player in high school.

976
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 13: And I remember when my dad wrote that, and I thought, Wow,

977
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 13: my dad thinks I could someday be an All state

978
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 13: football player.

979
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's big time.

980
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 13: I remember thinking to be All State. And it's interesting,

981
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 13: is I didn't make All State.

982
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: That good as I guess as a father of two boys,

983
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: that gets me a little bit. And I just have

984
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: some for Cousins before we move on, and Mark, you

985
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: could come back in whenever you want that.

986
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: I have so much respect for anyone.

987
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: Who could reach the absolute like ceiling of their potential

988
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: and maybe even clear it a little bit. And because

989
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: Cousins doesn't have the greatest size, or strongest arm or

990
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: most athleticism, he isn't, you know, in terms of personality traits.

991
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: It's not what you say is like what you're.

992
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: Looking for necessarily in a franchise QB one, but it's

993
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: clear and you see it in this series and you

994
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 2: see in his production in his career, that he works

995
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 2: his ass off, he's passionate about what he does, He's

996
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 2: tough as hell, He's real, and I think that's one

997
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: thing you kind of this series helped for me see

998
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: with him, Like we kind of see Kirk Cousins like

999
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: I see somebody takes seriously.

1000
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: He's so confident in who he is.

1001
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: And even if that's not the archetypal quarterback, his players,

1002
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: his teammates like him. You could tell because they know

1003
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: he's an authentic person. Literally, you know, at ease with

1004
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 2: who he is. And I think it's easy to admire

1005
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: him and it just will change.

1006
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: Mark.

1007
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: Not that because a lot of those things you mentioned,

1008
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: by the way, I would watch before this also, like

1009
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: The Wire for instance, my order that yeah, okay, But

1010
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 2: I feel.

1011
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 8: Like I feel like Big Love was like a little

1012
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 8: high on the list.

1013
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: That's a little high.

1014
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: I do like Paxton Rest in Peace, but Cousins, I'm like,

1015
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: I feel like going into a season, this is a

1016
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 2: nice like pump up primer for the season, and I'm

1017
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 2: looking forward to following Kirk cousins career more now after watching.

1018
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 9: So uh, you know, being back to number one, I

1019
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 9: kind of enjoyed listening to this podcast versus being on it.

1020
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 4: That was kind of enjoyable, but liked.

1021
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: It could be arranged. We wouldn't want that to happen, right, Yeah, that.

1022
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 9: Could be the end of the end game. But like

1023
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 9: I would say ultimately that the Cousins clip, I mean, yeah,

1024
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 9: it affects me. It changes how I think about him.

1025
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 9: But there also was a request from.

1026
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: Maybe not as much as the Deadwood premiere would hit

1027
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: with you, but I don't.

1028
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 8: Know that's on my list. I don't that's a good point.

1029
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 9: There was a request to maybe way in just for

1030
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 9: a minute about his selecting his outfits. And there was

1031
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 9: a series where Kirk cousins his request.

1032
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 4: From the behind the Glass.

1033
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 9: It's like a little bit more talk about his clothing

1034
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 9: and his fast his choice.

1035
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 8: Wife picks out his Patagonia stuff and that's that's fine.

1036
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: Oh I did.

1037
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: That was one other thing I wanted to share. Shout

1038
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: out to Brittany, Julie and Kiomi. Yeah, nice job, great

1039
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: job by the wise.

1040
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 9: So I heard a different tale about the Mahomes individual.

1041
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 8: No, I think the families come off really well.

1042
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: There's I didn't see it, so it's not much you

1043
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 4: didn't see it.

1044
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: No, there's a dedicated subset of people that I think

1045
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: because of Jackson, maybe mainly that like Brittany's never going

1046
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 3: to make a comeback in their eyes, like it doesn't

1047
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: matter how positive anything portrays them. Like they're people.

1048
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: They're very supportive and very knowledgeable of his career and

1049
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: like when his injury, that guy won the super Bowl,

1050
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: by the way, on one leg. All right, quick program. Note,

1051
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 2: we are undefeated when it comes to timing. About an

1052
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: hour after we taped our Thursday podcast, the news came

1053
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 2: out of Cincinnati that Joe Burrow had suffered a calf

1054
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: injury and was carted to the locker room. As of

1055
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: this time, we don't know how serious the injury is.

1056
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 2: When we recorded the second part of the podcast, we

1057
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: didn't even know an injury existed because it hadn't happened yet.

1058
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: Freaky huh.

1059
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: Anyway, we'll have more on the Burrow situation on our

1060
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 2: next podcast, but for now, here's a conversation about Burrow,

1061
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: at least in part. Enjoy and let me seg now

1062
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: into our conversation on rivalries, because let's start with Mahomes

1063
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: and Burrow. That's because that dude, that unassuming all time

1064
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 2: quarterback Patrick Mahomes. His ankle was destroyed against the Jaguars

1065
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 2: and he just gutted through the end of that season

1066
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: and beat Trevor Lawrence, then beat Burrow, then beat Jalen

1067
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: Hurts and his dream season doing it on one leg.

1068
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: And I found it so interesting when Burrow and the

1069
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: Bengals beat the Chiefs earlier in the season, and what

1070
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: was it the third time they beat They beat him

1071
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: in the AFC Title game the year before, three in

1072
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 2: a row, and you had all that stuff about burrowhead

1073
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: and Joe Burrow owns the Chiefs and Patrick owns it's

1074
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 2: his time to step down and it's Burrow's time. And

1075
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: I was part of that chorus in January saying, this

1076
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: is Burrow's year. And then what does my homes do

1077
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: on one leg? He finds a way and wins that

1078
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: game and then wins the Super Bowl. But it also

1079
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: reminded me they did play it in quarterback. Can we

1080
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: get the Travis Kelsey who deserves a medal for this?

1081
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, just like a gold medal for the

1082
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: postgame presser immediately after the AFC Title game, and and

1083
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: and as well as just great television amped up this

1084
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: rivalry even more.

1085
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, first of all, also when thy gone

1086
00:49:47,280 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 14: man love it right before that interview with Tracy Wilson

1087
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 14: of CBS, and you saw this on quarterback Mahomes and

1088
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 14: Burrow after the game, and Mahomes is repeatedly saying many more, Doug,

1089
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 14: I think it is.

1090
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: I think this is the best rivalry since Peyton and

1091
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: Brady and just this week, Reggie for the desert heads

1092
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 2: out there, Burroughs are passed Mahomes. He's now plus six

1093
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: hundred to win NFL MVP over Mahomes at six point fifty.

1094
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: And it's just like the two guys that are seen

1095
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: as the best quarterbacks.

1096
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 8: Take mahomes number every year. Yes, witting last year. By

1097
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 8: the way, you guys got on me for picking him

1098
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 8: as MVP before the year.

1099
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: Congratulations on that anyway. So they've squared off in each

1100
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: of the last two AFC title games. I hope it's

1101
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: not the last of it, and I don't think it

1102
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: will be. I think it's the best rivalry in the sport,

1103
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 2: both team chiefs, Spangles and quarterbacks.

1104
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 8: Mahomes Borough I'll give you.

1105
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 9: Sometimes, you know, conflict can be man verse self and

1106
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 9: like the rivalry that I feel kind of growing. I

1107
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 9: almost put Chiefs Bengals Bills as this triumphant atop the

1108
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 9: AFC where it's like I could see the Bills in

1109
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 9: some world coming out of this. But my rivalry right

1110
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 9: now the way I feel because I think a year

1111
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 9: ago you just ticket the Bills for thirteen fourteen wins

1112
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 9: in an AFC title game appearance. They seemed like that

1113
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 9: team in the AFC because we were questioning what would

1114
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 9: happen to the Chiefs a year ago. But right now

1115
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 9: I think it's the Bills versus and mounting sense of

1116
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 9: internal dread and just basic dread, and I.

1117
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: Just feel Bills be thyself exactly Red Man verse self.

1118
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 9: That's the tough one that when I don't feel this

1119
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 9: way about the Chiefs, there's incredible optimism no matter what

1120
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 9: the challenges. You trust the coach and the quarterback to

1121
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 9: work the way out of it. We already saw that

1122
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 9: all last year.

1123
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 4: Bengals.

1124
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 9: To me, sky's the limit for just the reasons you mentioned,

1125
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 9: because of the quarterback, because it's we've never seen a

1126
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 9: Bengals team like this. Something about the Bills feels a

1127
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 9: little snake bit and a little ominous, and I don't

1128
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 9: have proof of what's going to come next, but I

1129
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 9: just think that's gonna be a theme.

1130
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 4: They went through it last year.

1131
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 9: I think the emotional weight of last season caught up

1132
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 9: to them by the end for a lot of reasons.

1133
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 9: They also were incredibly resilient. Josh Allen became a leader.

1134
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 9: But I just think this year is going to be

1135
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 9: a little bit different for Buffalo and inside a very

1136
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 9: tough division.

1137
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: You know.

1138
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 8: And I agree, And that almost makes me think, hmm,

1139
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 8: maybe this is the year they surprise people, because it

1140
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 8: always seems like the year everyone thinks one like last

1141
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 8: year is not supposed to be the Chiefs, right, but

1142
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 8: Tom Brady's first year with Tampa was not supposed to

1143
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 8: be the Bucks year. That was supposed to be like

1144
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 8: the year they build up to that. And we're all

1145
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 8: thinking about this because that is the right answer in

1146
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 8: terms of just like right now, what's the rivalries that

1147
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 8: defined the NFL? And I think rivalries are why football,

1148
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 8: American football is a better sport frankly than the other

1149
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 8: most popular American sports, or it's one reason they're more popular,

1150
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 8: I think, than the NBA and basketball because rivalries are

1151
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 8: so important within the division, and then you get these

1152
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 8: like Bill's Chiefs is an incredible rivalry. When the Bills

1153
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 8: beat the Chiefs early last season, it really felt like

1154
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 8: a moment, you know, like they had gotten over some

1155
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 8: hump and that those playoff losses that they had are insane.

1156
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 8: But then you think about Bengals cheese, and then you

1157
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 8: just sort of think all of Mahomes's rivalries. He has

1158
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 8: a rivalry with Alan, he obviously has one with Burrow.

1159
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 8: Every time him and Justin Herbert play, it's like the

1160
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 8: Chargers just kind of play the Washington Generals, but all

1161
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 8: those games are amazing, and both quarterbacks always.

1162
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 4: Play Herbert's Kansas City are insane.

1163
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: Tellingly, Mahomes says after the Jaguars win, when he's back

1164
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: at his house with his family, someone at this party

1165
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 2: says to him, who would you rather play? And he says,

1166
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 2: he wants Cincinnati like he respects Buffalo, but it's the

1167
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: Bengals that he wants.

1168
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: Like that, I thought, I thought it was the Bills.

1169
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: It was a weird season for Buffalo and nearly like

1170
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: a horrifically tragic one, obviously with Tamar Hamlin. But I

1171
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: thought when they lost at home in the snow to Cincinnati.

1172
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: They fell behind, and I view them kind of outside

1173
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: of those big two now, but you could easily see

1174
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 2: it the other way around.

1175
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 8: I guess the thing is when you have greatness. We've

1176
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 8: gone from one dynasty that's never had anything like it

1177
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,919
Speaker 8: in the NFL history, the Patriots, where we got most

1178
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,760
Speaker 8: of the best rivalries involved the Patriots for a while,

1179
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 8: and we segued with an actual game right into the

1180
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 8: Chiefs having all the best rivalries. I mean, Mahomes to me,

1181
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 8: his most incredible season was his first as a starter,

1182
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 8: and Belichick really prevented them from getting that trophy or

1183
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 8: Tom Brady did so, Like even Mahomes Belichick, I'm glad

1184
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 8: they're playing this year. That's a rivalry. All the Chiefs

1185
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 8: rivalries are the best because they're the best.

1186
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, the feeling about Buffalo, it's hard for I think,

1187
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 3: especially me and I know for a lot of people

1188
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 3: to get that image of Buffalo in the snow just

1189
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 3: getting trounced and ran out of their own building, and

1190
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 3: that like that influences expectations. But we have these discussions

1191
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 3: coming into every season and it seems like the folly

1192
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: of expectations should like we should realize that.

1193
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 8: They went thirteen and three.

1194
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 3: Like the things we expect aren't necessarily going to happen, right,

1195
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: and so like I think Buffalo could be fine, but

1196
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: it could also go horribly wrong. And unfortunately, due to

1197
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 3: the nature of the game, it could be like that

1198
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 3: for the Chargers. It could be like that for the Bengals,

1199
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: it could be like that for the Chiefs, Like we

1200
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: don't want to see it. But I think the thing

1201
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 3: that I love about the Burrow Mahomes situation is and

1202
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 3: it may happen, but right now there's no like, oh,

1203
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow can't win the Big Game or any dumb

1204
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 3: like that, Like people are recognizing, like these guys are good,

1205
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 3: like Aaron Donald makes a play, or Patrick Mahomes and

1206
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey make a play, and it doesn't like define

1207
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 3: careers like they just lost. And I'm glad that we

1208
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: haven't had the dumb stuff yet.

1209
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 8: And Mahomes is the oldest of the three including Josh Allen,

1210
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 8: and he's twenty seven. It's kind of crazy.

1211
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Mark, to your point about the Bills, I

1212
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 2: think it was an episode you weren't here last month.

1213
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: We did the urgency scale. I had the Bills at

1214
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: at perfect ten points. That's how I feel this is

1215
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: such a tremendously important year in the history of the

1216
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: organization because I think there is part of that dread

1217
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 2: is was that window? Was it the last couple of

1218
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 2: years and we didn't get it done at home in

1219
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 2: January the previous year the thirteen second game, Like, was

1220
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: that the window where this team was?

1221
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 4: But it isn't that.

1222
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:15,919
Speaker 9: Sort of what we're saying is it's like I could

1223
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 9: project the Chiefs making four or five Super Bowls over

1224
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 9: the next seven or eight years.

1225
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 4: I would have no problem with that.

1226
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 9: Bengals, sure, I mean, as long as they can continue to,

1227
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 9: you know, keep the roster together. But the Bills to

1228
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,360
Speaker 9: me feel like the window is slowly closed.

1229
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: Might be unfair because it might be Allen is still

1230
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: young and he's got fifteen years ten fifteen years ahead

1231
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: of him. They could reload as well, but maybe it's

1232
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 2: this core and then I don't know. I felt strongly

1233
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 2: entering this past season that they were the team now

1234
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 2: and there's a little doubt around them.

1235
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not the worst thing. Patrick, how about you, rivalry.

1236
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 3: Favorite? Are we going what are we doing anything you want? Okay,

1237
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 3: So one rivalry that jumps out to me that is

1238
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,280
Speaker 3: bananas because we just talked about Salah and Sean Payton,

1239
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: and like it feels like there's actual animosity there at

1240
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 3: this point to a tongu about Loa and Justin Herbert

1241
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: are two of the nicest people on planet Earth. They

1242
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 3: would never say a foul thing about literally anybody, but

1243
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 3: their fan bases are so fashionate that this thing has

1244
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 3: been created off of pure conversation about who should have

1245
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 3: been drafted, where, who's the better.

1246
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 8: Quarterback, the best thing that ever happened in Manuel watch you.

1247
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 11: Ain't got no haters, You ain't popping.

1248
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 3: That's so cringe.

1249
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 1: I just remember how literally you ain't bro cringe, ain't

1250
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: popping bro if he ain't got no haters, hikes.

1251
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 3: But it's just a It's a sign of one how

1252
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: like annoying conversations can be, but also how much energy

1253
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: and attention it generates for the game because these two

1254
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: guys like literally wouldn't hurt a fly, Like they would

1255
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: never say a cross thing about anybody. But I'm I'm

1256
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 3: excited about this game, Like this has been years in

1257
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 3: the making and I'm not excited about all the things

1258
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: that people are gonna say about it, but I'm just

1259
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 3: I'm glad that we have these guys, and I'm glad

1260
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 3: we have people.

1261
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 8: And its week one. You know what that if you

1262
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 8: don't want too much attention on that, and I think

1263
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 8: you're right, the build up to the game will get

1264
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 8: a lot and the PostScript will get a lot. But

1265
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 8: the fact that it's week one, it's not in a

1266
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 8: primetime spot, and it's actually opposite the Tony Romo Jim

1267
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 8: Nance game in week one, we've already seen the assignments

1268
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 8: of announcers. Nothing made me feel like football is back

1269
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 8: more than let's hear them CPS. What we got the

1270
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 8: announcers I will ever too soon to talk about. I'll

1271
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 8: bring them up. But I know that Romo and Nance

1272
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 8: are on Eagles Patriots at four to twenty five, and

1273
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 8: Packers Bears is also on Fox at four twenty five,

1274
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 8: So you're you're you're burying Dolphins Chargers there in a

1275
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 8: relatively big spot as.

1276
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: We need to send the top team to cover the Patriots.

1277
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 8: I remember Charles Davis is on Bengals Browns because I

1278
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 8: just remember thinking, oh, Mark and if he wants to

1279
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 8: watch that.

1280
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 4: Here we go down the street.

1281
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 8: We all enjoy Charles Davis and Ie Eagle, and I

1282
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 8: was like, that'll be a pleasant call, just an option game.

1283
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 4: I will watch all the games, so I will.

1284
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: I will watch that that specifically, that will be choice

1285
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah.

1286
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 9: Well, Patrick, I'm so with you on the fact that

1287
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 9: the two quarterbacks probably could be best pals and go

1288
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 9: on endless road trips. But that was a with their

1289
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 9: prime time and counter Sastrey too quiet, you know it

1290
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 9: would I wouldn't want to watch it. But that's another

1291
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 9: show I wouldn't watch. But that was a dark night

1292
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 9: for X aka Twitter, that whole clash they had on

1293
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 9: in primetime aka Twitter.

1294
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,840
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1303
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: to watch. While we're here.

1304
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick and we'll get back to more

1305
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: rivalry talk. All right, we're back.

1306
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with essentially Raiders versus everyone. Now below that,

1307
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 8: it's it's Al Davis, Al Davis and the Davises versus

1308
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 8: the NFL. I mean, that's the ultimate rivalry. Is they

1309
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 8: hated each other. Him and Pete rosell the commissioner. I mean,

1310
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 8: they lived up to their name. They merged like he

1311
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 8: got this merger he wanted to have this big spot

1312
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 8: in the NFL. Roselle ended up burying him, taking him

1313
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 8: off the competition committee. They hated each other like the

1314
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 8: Raiders in the NFL always were getting out each other.

1315
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 8: They were truly renegades. And then they tried to not

1316
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 8: let him go to Oakland. They sued the NFL they

1317
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 8: actually won. They basically hated themselves until the end of

1318
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 8: Roselle's career. Roselle said when he retired, one of the

1319
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 8: reasons he was retiring was Al Davis was such a

1320
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 8: pain in his assho all that time. Fast forward to

1321
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 8: like Mark Davison, we still got problems. We still got

1322
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 8: the end NFL rightfully, but uh, being involved in a

1323
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 8: situation where John Gruden's career ends with the Raiders and

1324
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 8: there's still tension here.

1325
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: Oh, they wouldn't let him go to la either for

1326
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: their biggest fan bases.

1327
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 8: Between now Davis and everything, there's still all this stuff.

1328
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 8: And then I think Mark Davis is definitely more genial.

1329
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 8: But then I thought about and it's like everyone thinks

1330
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 8: they have a rivalry with the Raiders, like Chargers games

1331
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 8: are different. When the Raiders show up, it's like, oh,

1332
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 8: oh no, like Raiders fans are showing up. You saw

1333
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 8: it on quarterback, Like the Chiefs actually consider their Raiders

1334
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 8: their biggest rival. Broncos kind of feel that way. It

1335
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 8: is kind of amazing that they've.

1336
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 2: Got to track some of the history of the game too.

1337
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: These are AFL teams exactly right. They killed each other

1338
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 2: in the sixties and then merge and that stuff leaves

1339
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 2: a long tail.

1340
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 8: But the fact that the Raiders specifically have been able

1341
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 8: to maintain this despite twenty years of sub mediocrity is

1342
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 8: pretty impressive. That just like as even though they've been bad,

1343
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 8: they still are sort of the team. Everyone around them

1344
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 8: and the NFL like a respect.

1345
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 2: Cow Boys see a way that they have the branding

1346
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: and ye, they're just something special about the meaning, but

1347
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 2: they haven't been special.

1348
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 9: Well I did that like back when we used to

1349
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 9: write like long articles like uh, you still can by

1350
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 9: the way, I know, well, no.

1351
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 8: I feel.

1352
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 9: I feel it's very possible. But I had the assignment

1353
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 9: to cover the last game in Oakland, but before it

1354
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 9: was it was a feature on talking to like twenty

1355
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 9: different Raiders, and I came away with it being like, yeah,

1356
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 9: just to your point that there is a Cowboys like

1357
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 9: aura to I mean, not that I didn't know that before,

1358
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 9: but just to see that these players who hadn't been

1359
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 9: on the field in twenty five years. One guy a

1360
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 9: couple just getting angry and angrier on the phone talking

1361
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 9: about games from you know, two and a half decades,

1362
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 9: goes like, there is nothing like the Raiders there.

1363
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 8: As fans hate the Raiders still even though they've been

1364
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 8: bad forever.

1365
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: I love.

1366
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: Just think about how rewarding to see your your byline

1367
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 2: on NFL dot com.

1368
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 4: There's nothing in the work, there's nothing like it.

1369
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 2: But doing the twenty thousand words Yeah, letting the audience

1370
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 2: see your gift for writing the craft.

1371
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: It's you could do that again.

1372
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 9: I think what I'm doing is if there's too much

1373
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 9: of it, there's no need. So if I wait seven

1374
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 9: or eight years to do another one, then there will

1375
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 9: be that appropriate need want.

1376
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, turns Melick.

1377
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 8: What's the historical one you were referring to earlier?

1378
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 9: I was hoping it was very much something that Wes

1379
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 9: and I used to talk about all the time, because

1380
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 9: before Wes dispatched the Bengals, he back in the days

1381
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 9: of Sam Weish in the old AFC Central, which all

1382
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 9: those teams hate talking about teams, there was no friendliness

1383
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 9: between They all hated each other. But it never peaked

1384
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 9: more between the old Oilers and Bengals than was Jerry Glanville,

1385
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 9: who was I found him to be highly annoying as

1386
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 9: a Browns fan, but entertaining years later just to see

1387
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 9: was a truly strange character.

1388
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,919
Speaker 4: And Sam Weish. These guys hated each other.

1389
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 9: And I'll never forget this one game nineteen eighty nine,

1390
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 9: when the Bengals, at the height of their disdain for

1391
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 9: the Oilers and Sam Weish's hatred of Jerry Glanville, who

1392
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 9: he was, what he represented, the kind of teams that

1393
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 9: he put on the field. They beat the Oilers sixty

1394
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 9: one to seven, and there's an incredible story on the

1395
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 9: Athletic about this where they were up thirty one nothing

1396
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 9: and went forward on fourth down. They recovered an on

1397
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,959
Speaker 9: side kick, leading forty nine nothing and then.

1398
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 4: Kept throwing the ball NonStop.

1399
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Sean Payton.

1400
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 9: That's the thing that makes me excited for Jets Broncos

1401
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 9: because they ran a fake reverse after that. The score

1402
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 9: was fifty eight to seven at one point with thirty

1403
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 9: seconds to go, and they kicked a thirty yard field

1404
01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 9: goal to make it sixty one to seven. And then

1405
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 9: Sam Weish in the post game, there's a great oral

1406
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 9: history on this on the.

1407
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 4: Athletic, and he blew the doors.

1408
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 9: Down and went on like a twenty five minute tirade

1409
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 9: about the person of Jerry Glanville, the football coach, Jerry Glanville,

1410
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 9: what he produced, what the Oilers represented in football, and

1411
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 9: Sam Weish was one of the most charitable kind people.

1412
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 9: Everyone thinks, so you don't live in Cleveland, but that

1413
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 9: there was this whole aside Tom where he was a

1414
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 9: Bill Walsh disciple who was involved behind the scenes and

1415
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 9: helping so many different people. But Glanville just got on

1416
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 9: and he could not You could never calm down when

1417
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 9: they played the Oilers and it was one of one

1418
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 9: of the more delicious rivalries.

1419
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 4: It's sort of forgotten right now.

1420
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 8: I love that one. That reminds me of the Belichick

1421
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 8: Titans game where they put like sixty on them in

1422
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 8: the snow and it was and he tried to pretend

1423
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 8: it wasn't, partly because he didn't like Joe Fisher was like, absolutely,

1424
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 8: you're calling. I think they called the play where it

1425
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 8: was like a like where you handed it off to

1426
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 8: the wide receiver, threw it back to the quarter the

1427
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 8: t Brady it was like forty nine to six. It's like,

1428
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 8: but those games you remember, I'm like this something wrong

1429
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 8: with a little blowout.

1430
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: It's fit fun the tie together.

1431
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: Think about if Rogers is having one of those Sundays

1432
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 2: where he's like in the Jordan shoulder shrug mode and

1433
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 2: everything he throws is right on the money. After Peyton

1434
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 2: went after his good buddy Hacket and Slahich you heard

1435
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: from Salad there, Oh, that.

1436
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: Would be delicious to see why Jets run up the

1437
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: score on.

1438
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 8: Peyton's as whoever's leading, if they can, they will be

1439
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 8: trying in that game.

1440
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 9: I'm with you, feel like you're gonna be drafting that game

1441
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 9: number one potentially that we intentionally it's in the it's

1442
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 9: in the running for me to take Jets games from you.

1443
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: Take as many as you want. I'm watching it regards.

1444
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 3: Except that one. I think I think they're gonna give

1445
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:16,000
Speaker 3: you that one. Patrick all Right popped in my head.

1446
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 11: It's the.

1447
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 3: It's an old rivalry, but I think it still exists

1448
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 3: because there's back and forth as the story continues to

1449
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 3: get told, Golden Tate versus Percy Harvin.

1450
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 8: It's still wait, it's still happening.

1451
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 3: This specifically because it fulfills my agenda, and that is

1452
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 3: that's why I will take the opportunity to talk about it.

1453
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 3: For those who don't know, Uh, the Seahawks are about

1454
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: to play the Broncos in the Super Bowl. Uh, there's

1455
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 3: a conversation about whether or not Percy Harvin is gonna

1456
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 3: play Golden Tate is like, whatever, it doesn't matter. We

1457
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 3: didn't need Percy to win the last game. Person didn't

1458
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 3: like it. Uh. Through Percy's telling in the story and

1459
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 3: Cliff Averrals and several other people. H Percy punches him

1460
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: in the face. Golden Tate ends up in the trash can.

1461
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: They go and win the super Bowl in the trash can.

1462
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 3: The trash can wait. He like fell into a trash can.

1463
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 3: He wound up the amazing Again, that's that's Percy's telling

1464
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 3: what a great punch. Golden denies that. But the way

1465
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 3: that fulfills my agenda is these guys didn't like each other.

1466
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 3: There was literally a fight. It wasn't a distraction. They

1467
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 3: blew the Broncos.

1468
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 8: Out hard, was awesome.

1469
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 4: Percy Harvin had to play the game like.

1470
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 3: All you have to do is execute, Like you could

1471
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 3: not like people. Whatever, they went out there and did it.

1472
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 3: And that's why I love the rival. The fact that

1473
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 3: they're like all beaten and bruised and out of the

1474
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 3: league now and still still talking about it. I love it.

1475
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 4: I love you say this fulfills your agenda.

1476
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 3: It does, but its prior.

1477
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: What is the agenda? What is the agenda?

1478
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 3: Just to me, if you play and you play well,

1479
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 3: then you're gonna win, Like.

1480
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 8: It won't be a distraction, Like you don't have to

1481
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:45,479
Speaker 8: get a lot.

1482
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 4: There there's no human emotion.

1483
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: You know you can do it. I don't think you

1484
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: needed receipts on that one.

1485
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 3: And well, I mean it's it's constantly argued against me.

1486
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 3: But either way, like you can do it with NFL

1487
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 3: films watching and there could be quarterback, there could be

1488
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 3: wide receiver documentary. But as long as you go out

1489
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 3: there and do what you're supposed to do, you're probab

1490
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 3: gonna win.

1491
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 8: But that route one on my long list was was

1492
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 8: Russell Wilson versus the Legion of Boom, which never ends

1493
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 8: like they enjoyed. They enjoyed it so much last year,

1494
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 8: like it still feels like it's going on. So that

1495
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 8: was That was that team, and there's and like it

1496
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 8: was all about like who gets the credit, which is

1497
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 8: where a lot of this stuff starts. People want people

1498
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 8: want the credit.

1499
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, that team. It's kind of crazy. They

1500
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 2: only won the one Super Bowl as stacked as they were.

1501
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: The play with Malcolm Butler that is maybe ground zero

1502
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 2: for the heat that will forever be between Russell Wilson

1503
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 2: and the play caller and that defense.

1504
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: I'll at it.

1505
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 3: Dante Hattower made an incredible play on the play before he.

1506
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: Did took down Marshawn Lynch. Uh, you got one more

1507
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: WHI should I pick? Here? Let's go.

1508
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 8: Let's give McVeigh versus Shanahan because they're playing twice a year.

1509
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 8: We had Jordan Rodrigan. We didn't really talk too much

1510
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 8: about the playmakers, but we did. But man, you really

1511
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 8: get the feel of how weird and complicated that rivalry is.

1512
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 8: And yes, McDaniel and lafleur are kind of in the mix,

1513
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 8: but it's really more about Sean McVay and Shanahan, and

1514
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 8: to the point where they're obviously copying each other on

1515
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 8: certain things and watching each other, but that they know

1516
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 8: that the other guy knows that they're watching, and so

1517
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 8: that they're too prideful to exactly copy it, and they

1518
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 8: just do some bs cosmetic change where like we'll use

1519
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 8: a tight end on this sweep where it's a receiver

1520
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 8: so that it's a little different, so that it's us

1521
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,719
Speaker 8: and like it's really ours. And I love that because

1522
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 8: it's one of my favorite parts of the whole thing,

1523
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 8: is how they all take stuff from each other. And

1524
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 8: I love that because they're doing it for just each other,

1525
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 8: because the rest of us nubes, don't we don't know

1526
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 8: all that, but they know that Sean McVay is going

1527
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 8: to be watching them on tape and think like, oh,

1528
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 8: they stole it from us. And so it's just this

1529
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 8: totally petty thing back and forth. And it was so

1530
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 8: complicated because you stand like their friendship whatever it is,

1531
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 8: their respect is on hold. They kind of they respect

1532
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 8: each other, but they don't like each other. I mean,

1533
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 8: Mike McDaniel used the word exploited to talk about his

1534
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 8: relationship with Kyle Shanahan, which was kind of like a

1535
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,280
Speaker 8: little thing he threw in there, and it's all very complicated.

1536
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 8: Lafleur was just kind of like I like everybody, you know,

1537
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 8: it's the side of everything. Like he's like, I had

1538
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 8: to take it. He actually says I have no ego,

1539
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 8: and it's like, okay, I kind of believe it with him.

1540
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 8: But that that's like a fun element. And they're playing

1541
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 8: twice a year now. I'm gonna have a better context

1542
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 8: to use your word, Patrick when I when I watched this.

1543
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 9: Match, I think at the game where Shanahan when they

1544
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 9: like blew the doors off the Rams and had that

1545
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 9: like sixteen play eleven minute long drive where you knew

1546
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 9: Shanahan was just rolling and.

1547
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 8: They've basically owned McVeigh other than a big moment where

1548
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 8: they didn't. It definitely is in mcvey's krah or whatever

1549
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 8: you want to say, that they've owned McVeigh.

1550
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 3: And I wonder how that conversation and getting asked that

1551
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 3: question before that game so many times has affected their relationship.

1552
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's probably been tough for Sean.

1553
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, and hearing Kyle shaneon talk about it, especially even

1554
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 8: in the last week. I mean that loft to the ramps, like, yeah,

1555
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 8: he's on Sean McVay. But McVay won when they won

1556
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 8: the NFC championship and actually won the Super Bowl.

1557
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 2: So let's close it out with going kind of full

1558
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 2: circle and Andy Reid and Bill Belichick. I pulled the

1559
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 2: numbers just out of curiosity. So Reid is sixty five

1560
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 2: years old, Belichick's seventy one. Belichick has two hundred and

1561
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 2: ninety eight career wins six sixty two percentage. Reid has

1562
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: two forty seven six forty one.

1563
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:53,799
Speaker 8: Wow. So if he just keeps up close case in actually,

1564
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 8: you know, did this coached as long as he as

1565
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:58,839
Speaker 8: Belichick did, he has a chance.

1566
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:03,679
Speaker 2: Postseason Bell check unbelievable, thirty one and thirteen, six super

1567
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 2: bowls read twenty two and sixteen.

1568
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: He has two Super Bowl rings.

1569
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 2: Belichick has been the head coach of nine Super Bowl

1570
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 2: team six wins read four super Bowl teams two wins.

1571
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 8: Read.

1572
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: Is the first coach in NFL history to coach in

1573
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 2: five consecutive conference championship games, and Belichick right now has him.

1574
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 8: Obviously, Belichick did too.

1575
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: He was the first coach in NFL history, I guess,

1576
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: so maybe Belchick was the second.

1577
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1578
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 8: No, Belichick went nine straight.

1579
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: Take it up with the Kansas City Chiefs Press marketing department.

1580
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:42,719
Speaker 8: I'm just saying, they went nine straight, nine straight conference

1581
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 8: champions but then they go five in a row. Yeah,

1582
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 8: they went nine straight. That's like, to me, the most Wow.

1583
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,040
Speaker 8: That is crazy, craziest stat of the of the Belichick.

1584
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying here, Belichick obviously is in pole position,

1585
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: and if he finds a way to get one more

1586
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: kind of rye out of his career, it's not even

1587
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: gonna be a question.

1588
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:04,839
Speaker 1: He's going to just basically have every record.

1589
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 2: But it's interesting, with Reid being six years younger, if

1590
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 2: he could stay healthy and on the sidelines if he

1591
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 2: still wants to do it, and read seems like a

1592
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 2: guy who's gonna want to coach forever. Patrick Mahomes, as

1593
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier in the show, is twenty seven years old,

1594
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 2: and I think the next five years are going to

1595
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 2: be very interesting to see where Reid is then, because yes,

1596
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: if we measure it ultimately, if you want to do

1597
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 2: a bottom line, you know, six super Bowls, it's six

1598
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 2: the two right now. But I don't know what does

1599
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 2: Mahomes have three titles in him? Then what's the conversation?

1600
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 2: I think the rivalry is these guys have a lot

1601
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 2: of respect for each other, So it's not like not

1602
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 2: personally hate each other rights, not personal. But I'm very

1603
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 2: interested to see what this looks like when the dust

1604
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 2: clears and you start to say, Belichick clearly right now

1605
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 2: the greatest coach ever. Does Reid have a chance to

1606
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 2: really enter that conversation in a meaningful way.

1607
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, it does, because I think it's like there's they're

1608
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 9: flip flopped in a way because Belichick, you know, Post

1609
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 9: Cleveland had Tom Brady right out of the gate a

1610
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 9: year in and all that success came and we're now

1611
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 9: every talking head is like, is Belichick actually the great

1612
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 9: coach we think without Tom Brady, which is a ponderous

1613
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 9: conversation to me, but it exists. And then there was

1614
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 9: a long period where can Andy Reid be a good coach?

1615
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:16,759
Speaker 9: But he's is he truly great?

1616
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: Like?

1617
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 9: Is he a super Bowl winning guy that does this

1618
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,879
Speaker 9: over and over? It's like, now he's got the quarterback,

1619
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 9: and yes he does.

1620
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 8: M I apologize the Patriots that made eight straight, So

1621
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 8: that was wrong.

1622
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 9: I think they were saying Reid achieved it before Belichick,

1623
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 9: not that alone.

1624
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: Was it with the Eagles? Is that what it was?

1625
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 9: I would go, Look, but I think that's what unless

1626
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 9: the PR departments just trying to pull a fast one

1627
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:40,799
Speaker 9: on us be more exciting.

1628
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 8: Did the Eagles make five straight conference championship Well?

1629
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 3: They definitely, They definitely made four straight.

1630
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 2: He's the only coach to win und games and a

1631
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 2: peer in four consecutive conference championship games with two different

1632
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 2: their franchises.

1633
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 8: There you go, and they've made five straight. Now that's

1634
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 8: why I was thinking five. Either way, it's gotta be tough,

1635
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 8: but I think it's a great rile because to me,

1636
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 8: it's the best defensive mind of his era, Belichick of

1637
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 8: a couple eras and the best offensive mind and the

1638
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 8: most influential offensive mind, and Andy Reid, and they have

1639
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 8: come up against each other enough that the respect is massive.

1640
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 8: They've each had pretty big moments against each other. But

1641
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 8: to me, it's gonna be tough for Andy Reid to

1642
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 8: pass him. And I guess he could start just like

1643
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 8: he could pass him and wins. He could win more

1644
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 8: super Bowls, and then you talk about it, but Reid

1645
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 8: came up against Belichick and in such big spots a

1646
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 8: couple times that their careers would have changed. I'm thinking,

1647
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 8: of course, the Eagles Super Bowl appearance after he finally

1648
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 8: broke through and got there. It was the Patriots best

1649
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 8: team ever that shut them down. And then I'm thinking

1650
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 8: twenty eighteen, which to me with hindsight, but even at

1651
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 8: the time, to me feels like one of the most

1652
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 8: important games in the last twenty years for the Patriots

1653
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 8: to get that win on the road in overtime. For

1654
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 8: Brady's last Super Bowl in Mahomes's you know, first year MVP,

1655
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 8: that was like a sliding doorstable moment, and Belichick came

1656
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 8: out on top both those times.

1657
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 3: I think but even in both of those situations, one

1658
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 3: one is literally a coin flip, the other is a

1659
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 3: metaphorical coin flip.

1660
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 9: Yes, and I'm surprised you believe in metaphorical coin flips,

1661
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 9: just based on what I know about you.

1662
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,839
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, like, in terms of the degree

1663
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 3: of difference right between the outcomes and those two things,

1664
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 3: it could have gone either way.

1665
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 4: Like there's universes, right, Yeah, it's not sixty one to seven?

1666
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, when's when's both of those?

1667
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 8: Well, that one I truly am with you. If the

1668
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 8: coin had flipped the other way, I think Mahomes would

1669
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 8: have scored at that point. They had it bites out there,

1670
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 8: like Belichick was a great first half plan, they did nothing.

1671
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 8: It was the worse first half of the year, and

1672
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,840
Speaker 8: then they just they were scoring every time at the end.

1673
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 3: Maybe if it does get close, right and Andy Reid and

1674
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 3: Mahomes win a few more Super Bowls, maybe the fact

1675
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 3: that John Harbaugh and Doug Peterson have both won Super

1676
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 3: Bowls whereas the Belichick coaching tree is the floundering, maybe

1677
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 3: people make a case there. But hopefully, like history will

1678
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 3: be able to be like, hey, both of these guys

1679
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 3: are really good, like, we don't have to put, you know,

1680
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 3: two bad boys against each other.

1681
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,480
Speaker 9: Then Andy Reid retires two seasons from now. In the conversations,

1682
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 9: we mute and we remove it from this episode.

1683
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 2: And I was gonna say, oh, and maybe well they

1684
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 2: have one more big stage together in January. I think

1685
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 2: if that happens, Belichick kind of puts it to bed

1686
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 2: a little bit as well, because not that there's any

1687
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 2: doubting of Belichick, but if he's able to big up,

1688
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 2: build up one more big Patriots team post Brady, it's like,

1689
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 2: all right, here's your flowers, here's your lollipops, good luck

1690
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 2: Max to everything.

1691
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 3: Would he do that, like would Bill leave just to

1692
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 3: like in a in a Rogers packer situation, to say

1693
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 3: to the boss, like, look at what I can do

1694
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 3: for somebody else, Like this is this is me getting

1695
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 3: out on my own go back to Cleveland.

1696
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 8: I am happy there on the still pound of that

1697
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 8: drum schedule. And we get it. We get a little

1698
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 8: read Belichick this year, Monday Night Football, late in the season,

1699
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 8: it's been a minute, you know.

1700
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 2: We get a little chep hypothetical mark craft in Belichick

1701
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,679
Speaker 2: the egos, they can't coexist. It ends after this year,

1702
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 2: Belichick goes to Cleveland. You want to talk up up

1703
01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 2: and circumstance.

1704
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 1: I have on business here and I always love this place.

1705
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 1: This is the this is the heart of football Cleveland,

1706
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:10,320
Speaker 1: and it's our time.

1707
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 9: I think that would that would be too uh nostalgic

1708
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:17,799
Speaker 9: for me to ignore.

1709
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 8: Would you write a letter to.

1710
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: This one being answer me this time around? Answer me?

1711
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 4: It's time. I want to probably email.

1712
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 8: Him all right, speed speed around here, speed around the leftovers.

1713
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 8: Rap versus schefter, we hit that this week. But that's

1714
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 8: clearly I got a rap versus pel racer. Okay, that

1715
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 8: house heat, that's a huge one. Yeah, Falcon Saints, I

1716
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 8: had to at least do I know you guys didn't

1717
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 8: want to sell, but Falcon Saints remember when Vic flipped

1718
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,760
Speaker 8: them the bird? You probably don't. But there's a lot

1719
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 8: of good stuff there. Raven Steelers, I was trying to

1720
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,759
Speaker 8: think of like a matchup I can. I think Stefan

1721
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 8: Diggs and Sauce Gardner could develop into one because Sauce

1722
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 8: Gardner did quite a good job. He gave up one

1723
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 8: big play against him last year, but other than that,

1724
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 8: really did a good job on Stefan Dick.

1725
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 2: So that's just a matchup. I'm looking I'm excited. I

1726
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,679
Speaker 2: might hide it a little bit. I'm excited for Jets

1727
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 2: Dolphins this year and many many years.

1728
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 3: I think at some point Mike Evans and Marsha and

1729
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 3: Latimore are going to play a full game again.

1730
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 8: It's true like the NFL is did a nice job

1731
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 8: keeping the divisions the same, NFC East, a FC East,

1732
01:19:21,439 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 8: all all these go backs.

1733
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: So that's a good job by you.

1734
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 9: I'll give you a couple of no comments. Go ahead,

1735
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 9: all right, Dak Prescott verus talking heads. Kind of annoying

1736
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 9: to get dug in Browns fans first, Jettison Browns fans.

1737
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 9: They really hate each other online. I've experienced that. Lamar

1738
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 9: Jackson versus his own body, Cozar versus I mean, that's

1739
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 9: well off future rivalry, Belichick McDaniel.

1740
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 4: They couldn't be more different. I can't.

1741
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 9: I just want, I cannot wait to see what happens

1742
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 9: between Patriots Dolphins this year. I think it's going to

1743
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 9: become bigger and bigger. Cynical Jets fans, not you, you're

1744
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 9: an optimistic one, but cynical Jets fans versus themselves. This

1745
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 9: second d you said a future Josh Mike Pidaniel. I

1746
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 9: think that the polar opposite nature of the two of them.

1747
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 9: I cannot there's just too many. This is exciting, Like

1748
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 9: Dolphins Patriots has not brought me much joy over the years,

1749
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 9: but this now this might okay?

1750
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:15,920
Speaker 1: Good?

1751
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 3: Uh? Aaron Rodgers versus the Packers, Oh yeah, that's pretty

1752
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 3: good one. The d m V versus Daniel Snyder, Rex

1753
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 3: Ryan versus Geno Smith.

1754
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 8: Uh, those are all great.

1755
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 2: It's it's very annoying that the Jets went to Lambeau

1756
01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 2: last year.

1757
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 9: Oh just miss, I'd almost just changed the rule about

1758
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 9: interconference play and just you know, you could add they

1759
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 9: add an extra one.

1760
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: You should have done something about it. All right, that's enough.

1761
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: That's football, a little too much, too much football, a

1762
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: little too much.

1763
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 2: But great, good talk. Patrick, always a pleasure, always always

1764
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 2: on the side.

1765
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:56,600
Speaker 1: These these aliens are gonna make you eat your words. No,

1766
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: they'll come for you first. I'm not having to go.

1767
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,600
Speaker 3: With the aliens. I feel like the aliens would have

1768
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 3: issue with the characterization of this story. That's what I feel.

1769
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 8: I love that check out Patrick and I t C.

1770
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: What is that called you get back together? Weekend?

1771
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 8: I'm saying he's he's gotta catch it.

1772
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 3: Enjoy Yourself dot Com downloaded

1773
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:27,120
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