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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. What's happening Chris

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Speaker 1: Plank's out. You heard Mike Harmon there at the end

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Speaker 1: of their program suggesting where Plank probably is still celebrating

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Speaker 1: the thunders championship. He's the local boy down there celebrating it.

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Speaker 1: He's getting it firsthand. I've been a Thunder fan for

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Speaker 1: I don't know, well over a decade at this point.

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Speaker 1: Pretty much as soon as they went to OKC, I

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Speaker 1: being there and really didn't have one to call my

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Speaker 1: settle for grabbing a T shirt off fanatics. So that's me.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jason martin In on the Chris Planks Show here

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Speaker 1: on this Saturday morning. You can find me at JMRT Radio.

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Speaker 1: We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. We'll

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Speaker 1: be with you for the next three hours looking forward

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Speaker 1: to it, and we are going to talk about those

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder at some point during this program as

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Speaker 1: we kind of put a final post mortem on the

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Speaker 1: season and on the finals, and of course that will

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Speaker 1: come with discussion and the what if scenarios that have

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Speaker 1: been played out about Tyrese Haliburton and the injuries and

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Speaker 1: what's happening with all of these Achilles injuries as of

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Speaker 1: late to the younger players. And there's a lot there

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Speaker 1: to say the least, But probably the biggest story of

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Speaker 1: the week once that trophy was put up was the

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag sweep stakes known as the Draft. But I

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Speaker 1: guess the sweep stakes were over back during the lottery,

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Speaker 1: you know, where things were completely on the up and up,

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Speaker 1: and we all know that it couldn't have possibly been

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Speaker 1: somehow maneuvered, we'll say, to somehow have granted the Dallas

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Speaker 1: the lottery, the lottery win. So it was Cooper Flag Day,

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Speaker 1: and Cooper Flag is going to be at Maverick said

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Speaker 1: all the right things. We will talk about a lot

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Speaker 1: of that stuff, and I'm gonna, unfortunately have to take

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Speaker 1: someone to task that. I mean, he's a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 1: but he's going to need to be better than he

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Speaker 1: was following or actually in the lead up to the draft,

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Speaker 1: the Draft. That'll be in the next segment, that takedown.

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Speaker 1: But The thing about Flag is not about what he

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Speaker 1: can and can't do on a basketball floor. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you've heard that plenty since he first started lacing him up,

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Speaker 1: or even beforehand at Duke. You kind of already knew

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Speaker 1: what he was kind of touted to be, and he

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Speaker 1: really didn't show anything last year that would indicate he

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Speaker 1: wasn't going to be that. Right, So I'm not going

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Speaker 1: and tell you he's not going to live up the expectations.

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Speaker 1: What I am gonna do, however, is point to finger

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Speaker 1: him for the next decade plus and hopefully his health

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Speaker 1: said to be, because that's gonna be great for sports.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be great for the game. You're great for

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Speaker 1: him too, certainly, But selfishly, my interest is in him

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Speaker 1: being super entertaining for me to watch for a long time.

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Speaker 1: I always want to see the best collection of athletes

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Speaker 1: This week, Cooper Flag hasn't played a game in the

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Speaker 1: Summer League. By the way he's being advertised, his first

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Speaker 1: MAVs are gonna get there in year one after the

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Speaker 1: craziness of this year, after the injury to Kyrie Irving

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Speaker 1: he's got. He can pass it. They're even talking about

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I've lived forty six years on the earth.

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Speaker 1: I did not come out of the womb hearing hot takes,

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Speaker 1: even just hearing these opinions that are very clearly astroturfed,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Fox Sports Radio. Beginning your Saturday or very

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Speaker 1: that's if you're trying to kind of keep your take

432
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Speaker 1: alive a little bit longer, and you're going to potentially

433
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Speaker 1: point to injuries that may or may not happen. But

434
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Speaker 1: certainly Kyrie coming back as late as he's going to

435
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 1: from his injury, probably into twenty twenty six, maybe even

436
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: near the All Star breaker afterwards. You're going to have

437
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Speaker 1: that storyline if you want, But you also have the

438
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Speaker 1: other one. And this is the content for him one.

439
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Speaker 1: This is the one where you can really make the money.

440
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Speaker 1: This is the one where you can get that extra

441
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Speaker 1: eating's point. This one is the one where you say, hmm,

442
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: did people overhype Cooper Flag? And that's the one I hate.

443
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: I hate the one that says the thing now and

444
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 1: then is going to say did people overhype? Maybe Lee,

445
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: they'll even say did we overhype? Because again, it doesn't

446
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: matter if you include yourself in that, because then you've

447
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: been betrayed. I was wrong about him. I thought the

448
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: best of him. It's a grift, man, It's an absolute grift.

449
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: It's not because I disagree, because I'm not even saying

450
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Speaker 1: I'm not giving you too much of an opinion on

451
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Speaker 1: what I think Cooper Flag is going to do in

452
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Speaker 1: the NBA, because I don't think it's right. I don't

453
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Speaker 1: think that it is right for me to do so.

454
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Speaker 1: Yet I can tell you what the impressions are of

455
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: those that have played with him, played around him, dealt

456
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: with him on circuits even before Duke. Everything is very,

457
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Speaker 1: very positive. I just want to go watch him play first.

458
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Speaker 1: I want to see him in the NBA. I want

459
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Speaker 1: to see his growth process. I want to see all

460
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Speaker 1: of those things. And I got another thought about something

461
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: else that the media is reporting on related to Cooper

462
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: fa lagged later in the show. That will blow your mind,

463
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: especially based on how this media works. But instead of

464
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: wanted to take somebody to task, Hall of Famer, okay,

465
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Speaker 1: in terms of what he's done as a journalist and

466
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Speaker 1: how well he has written throughout his career, and I've

467
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: always enjoyed him on TV as well, David Aldridge is

468
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Speaker 1: near the top of that list, right, Like, I mean,

469
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: he's done it all. You hear his name and you're, oh, yeah,

470
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Speaker 1: I know, David aldrigs and T and T coverage forever.

471
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Speaker 1: I think he's in a basketball Hall of Fame. If

472
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Speaker 1: he's not, he's probably likely to be many awards. All

473
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Speaker 1: of that. I've had my problems with some of the

474
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Speaker 1: things he's written in the past, but I was absolutely

475
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Speaker 1: baffled by this. So he wrote a draft compendium prior

476
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Speaker 1: to the draft and it sort of feeds into I

477
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Speaker 1: think it's Sam Vesani at the Athletic his like big

478
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Speaker 1: time draft preview thing that comes out similar to Dame

479
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Speaker 1: Brugler puts out the Beasts before the NFL Draft, and

480
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Speaker 1: some of the writers they have some guys that kind

481
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Speaker 1: of help prime that and get you ready for that. Well,

482
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Speaker 1: Aldridge wrote a long piece and kind of went into

483
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Speaker 1: detail on many of these prospects before the draft, which

484
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Speaker 1: I appreciated, first of all, because we do also live

485
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Speaker 1: in an era where many of these players are foreign

486
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Speaker 1: born and we just haven't gotten a chance to see

487
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Speaker 1: much of them at all. And so just to go

488
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Speaker 1: through all this and tell us you know who is

489
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Speaker 1: in the mix and what is some of the scuttle

490
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Speaker 1: but about him is a positive. It's a thing that's good.

491
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Speaker 1: But I've got to read this to you, and I'm

492
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Speaker 1: going to read both paragraphs, and I want to ask

493
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Speaker 1: you a question before I start reading this. Why did

494
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Speaker 1: this second paragraph need to be written? And do you

495
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Speaker 1: cringe when you hear it? All? Right here?

496
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Speaker 3: It is?

497
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Speaker 1: This is from David Aldridge's Pets at the Athletic quote.

498
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Speaker 1: Absolutely no one involved with basketball at any level begrudges

499
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Speaker 1: flag this moment. His moment in the spotlight. The sentiment

500
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Speaker 1: is universal, as it's been since the moment he burst

501
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Speaker 1: onto the scene as a teenager out of Newport, Maine

502
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Speaker 1: a few years ago. Cooper Flag is the man. He

503
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: doesn't duck anyone. He'll play anyone, anytime, anywhere, and his

504
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: team will usually win. End of paragraph one. From this

505
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: point forward, you tell me why this needed to be written.

506
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: The fact that he's white matters not in the least

507
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Speaker 1: to real ballers, as it didn't matter when Larry Bird

508
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Speaker 1: came into the national consciousness at Indiana State in the

509
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Speaker 1: late seventies, where John Stockton in the eighties or Steve

510
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: Nash in the nineties. White kids and black kids or

511
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: Latino or Asian kids need people to emulate. And by

512
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Speaker 1: the way, a lot of those black and Latino and

513
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: Asian kids will emulate Flag too. If you can play.

514
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Speaker 1: No one who loves the orange leather cares about your

515
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Speaker 1: skin color. End quote. You're gonna have to tell me

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Speaker 1: feel free to eight seven seven nine inet six six

517
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Speaker 1: three sixty nine. If you want to tell me personally

518
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Speaker 1: eight seven seven ninet nine on Fox, You're gonna have

519
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: to tell me that paragraph was necessary. You're gonna have

520
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: to tell me why that was a thing that needed

521
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Speaker 1: to be written about Cooper, Flag or anybody else. I'm

522
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: gonna read it to you one more time and then

523
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Speaker 1: we'll go quickly into why this just I was sitting arena.

524
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Speaker 1: It just took me out of the thing. I was

525
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: just like, wait, what quote. The fact that he's white

526
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: matters not in the least to real ballers, as it

527
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: didn't matter when Larry Bird came into the national consciousness

528
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Speaker 1: at Indiana State in the late seventies, or John Stockton

529
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Speaker 1: in the eighties or Steve Nash in the nineties. White

530
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: kids and black kids are Latino or Asian kids need

531
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Speaker 1: people to emulate. And by the way, a lot of

532
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: those black and Latino and Asian kids will emulate Flag

533
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: to exclamation point if you can play. No one who

534
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: loves the orange leather cares about your skin color. David,

535
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: I think you love the orange, and I think you

536
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: care about his skin color. I gotta say, man, because

537
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: the way this reads is it doesn't even matter that

538
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: he's white. He's actually good. I want you to reverse

539
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: the races, reverse and put any classification that you want

540
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Speaker 1: into into that other than white, and put that in there,

541
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: and would that ever be written, Like, why would that

542
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: need to be written? The first paragraph where you're talking

543
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: about nobody involved in basketball Begrudge's flag. It's been universal

544
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: sentiment since he's been a teenager. He's the man. He

545
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: doesn't dunk anyone. He'll play anyone, anytime, anywhere, and his

546
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: team will usually win. Dude, that's a good write up. Man,

547
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: stop right there, you've got the dub. There is no

548
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Speaker 1: reason whatsoever to write that second paragraph except to say, now,

549
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: I know he's white, I understand that he's white, but

550
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: he's not like most white guys. He can actually play.

551
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: Real ballers think he can play. What dude, David Alders,

552
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: we got to be better than this, homie, Like, we've

553
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: got to be better than this, my man, this is

554
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: bottom of the sea level stuff. I don't know that

555
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: you thought that through didn't know. Maybe there are no

556
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: editors thet like, I don't know. I can't believe that

557
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: that that actually made it into the piece. Why would

558
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Speaker 1: you need to say that? What benefit do you get

559
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: from that? Except well, I know that you watch him

560
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Speaker 1: and you think he's white, so he can't play. But

561
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Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you he could play. Yikes. I

562
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Speaker 1: do think we got a couple of calls. Let's go

563
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Speaker 1: to North Dakota if he's still there and chat with

564
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Speaker 1: Brandon this morning on The Chris Blank Show with Jason Martin. Brandon,

565
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Speaker 1: how are you I doing?

566
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Speaker 5: Brandon?

567
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Speaker 6: Is Mark nartz coota first time coon into this show?

568
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Speaker 1: Normally I mont Ben Mallard m journalism in North in

569
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Speaker 1: North America.

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Speaker 6: Probably the world is dead.

571
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Speaker 1: It is awful.

572
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Speaker 7: It is clickbait.

573
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Speaker 1: It is all garbage.

574
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Speaker 6: Who cares what skin color anybody is? If you can,

575
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Speaker 6: I'll play any.

576
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: Sport, play it. Who cares what your skin color is?

577
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: Quit reporting on it.

578
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 5: That ship is excuse my language.

579
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 7: That crap is garbagemen you ca.

580
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Speaker 1: I don't know what he said there. I think we

581
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: lost him ember, But listen, that's that's the reason why

582
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm mentioning this like there was no reason to even

583
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: talk about it. He says, don't report on it, so

584
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: we didn't have to report on it. We have eyes,

585
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: like we know he's white, Like we get it. There's

586
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of guys with light skin

587
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: in a league that can play. Hey man, there's a

588
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of guys with white skin like

589
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: me that can't at all, and so we're on microphones

590
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: talking about it. We get that there's also like guys

591
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: with dark skin that can play and some guys with

592
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Speaker 1: dark skin that can't. This is called reality. Us writing

593
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Speaker 1: a paragraph in our draft preview article to suggest that, now,

594
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Speaker 1: I know you're coming into this kind of skeptical because

595
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: of the color of his skin and he's white, but

596
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: I'm just here to tell you, yeah, he's white, but

597
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: he's not like most white dudes. And my reaction to

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00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: that is man, cool story, bro, Please don't ever think

599
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Speaker 1: that you need to include that into an article. Again,

600
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: one more at least before the break, Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Tyler in Connecticut this morning here on the Chris Plank

602
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Speaker 1: Show with Jason Martin. Tyler, what's up, hey, Chris, Thanks

603
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Speaker 1: for shiving my call.

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Speaker 5: You're actually right though it was one hundred percent cringe.

605
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 5: But honestly, the white aspect from Cooper Flag hasn't really

606
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 5: been talked about as much as maybe he even should

607
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 5: be because the last number one white Americans players drafted

608
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Speaker 5: number one in the NBA was in nineteen seventy seven.

609
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 5: That's forty eight years ago, and Benson so it's kind

610
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 5: of a big deal, but it was a cringe thing

611
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Speaker 5: from David Aldridge, No doubt.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that, Tyler. Yeah, brother, that's good input. Yeah, I

613
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Speaker 1: mean yeah, I mean yeah. I get it. It's a factor,

614
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Speaker 1: and I get that it's a little bit of anomaly.

615
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: We still got to be better than that. So see

616
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Speaker 1: if we can sneak one more in before the break.

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Speaker 1: Hugh is on the five Freeway. He's with us here

618
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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Hugh, good morning.

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Speaker 7: Sure, Hey, yeah, I'll make it brief. My take is

620
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Speaker 7: that it sounds like that second paragraph is sneaking to.

621
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Speaker 2: His people as this he's already to get bemoaned by

622
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Speaker 2: his people for writing about a white guy.

623
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Speaker 1: And praising him.

624
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 6: So and so he's he's dating himself too, because it

625
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 6: seems a little out of touch and it doesn't need

626
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Speaker 6: to be sad. It sounds like something that might have

627
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 6: been said like when Bird and Magic were playing, and

628
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 6: that just doesn't really that's not a narrative so much anymore.

629
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Speaker 6: So it's out of context. It didn't make me cringe

630
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 6: because we hear so much garbage anyway.

631
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Speaker 7: These days that nothing is like, you know, so out

632
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Speaker 7: there anymore. But I would say, I agree with you.

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Speaker 6: It didn't need to be written, and he was just

634
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Speaker 6: he was like.

635
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Speaker 1: Protecting his own butt with his own people by writing

636
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Speaker 1: that second paragraph.

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Speaker 6: That's what I think.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, And those last two calls might be right on.

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Speaker 1: I mean really, it's just like he's like, is he

640
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: speaking to a certain community and he's saying, hey, man,

641
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: now I'm here to tell you, hey, hey, he's he's

642
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: a real one. Like pointed this, I know you might

643
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Speaker 1: pick him last if you didn't know better. I'm just

644
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: here to tell you I'm putting the spotlight on him.

645
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Speaker 1: He's going to be legit. I wish that we were

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Speaker 1: better than that, I really do. I appreciate the input there, though.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, who does this guy think he

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Speaker 1: is or who do his representatives think he is? That

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Speaker 1: he approached this draft process the way that he did,

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Speaker 1: tell you who he is and what happened next. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jason Martin in for the great Chris Plank. Here. I'm

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio Little Santa Monica bringing us back here.

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Speaker 1: Ever clear, if you do nineties, you're probably getting to right.

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Speaker 1: Just another way we are here for you. A couple

662
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Speaker 1: more people wanted to chime in on the phone lines.

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Speaker 1: Let's jump to Charleston. We'll talk to Jerome first. Jerome,

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Speaker 1: good morning. You're on a Chris Plank show with Jason Martin.

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Speaker 7: I know who you are. I've been pissed off with

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Speaker 7: you for a whole year, okay, and I just want

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Speaker 7: you to know that because when o'tani got injured in

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Speaker 7: the playoff right yere, because they're an awkward slide. He

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Speaker 7: made it the second base, you came on your little

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Speaker 7: radio show and said, well, Dave Robins caused that. That's

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Speaker 7: a lie. People get hurt in this sport all the time, Okay,

672
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 7: all the time. People get hurt. Dave Robins didn't call

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Speaker 7: that that was just an awkward slide in an accident,

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Speaker 7: and you said he caused him to get injured, and

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Speaker 7: you never apologize, and I've been pissed off for a

676
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Speaker 7: whole year at that because I know it's not true.

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00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 7: Dam Roberts would never literally try to get any of

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Speaker 7: this players injured. I don't think no manager would do that. Okay,

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Speaker 7: I just want you to know that from then on,

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Speaker 7: you have no credibility to me. All Right, you're just

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00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 7: with your to Why don't you go pick up garbage somewhere.

682
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 7: Maybe you'd be better at that than be in a

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Speaker 7: talk to hoo because you're allowed.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, Jerome, I don't even recall that. I recall well,

685
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean I probably did say it.

686
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Speaker 1: Like listen, I set off at the beginning that I

687
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Speaker 1: was not excusing myself from the idea that people are

688
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Speaker 1: not held to account for the things that they say.

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Speaker 1: So appreciate Jerome bringing that to my attention. I would

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Speaker 1: not have suggested Dave Roberts caused it. But I also

691
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Speaker 1: would think, man, Jerome, dude, you held on too that

692
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Speaker 1: for a year. Brother, call up and say that the

693
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Speaker 1: next week, or find me some other way get that

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Speaker 1: off your chest faster than that. Hope you were not

695
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Speaker 1: carrying that for a whole year, man, But I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you were able to get it off your chest. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: good to Bryce. He's in Texas. He's up next here

698
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Speaker 1: on the Chris Plank Show with Jason Martin. And for Chris, Bryce,

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Speaker 1: what's up.

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Speaker 6: I'll be a little nicer, Okay. My only question to

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Speaker 6: you is do you think the article is written because

702
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Speaker 6: of everything that's going on in the WNBA right now?

703
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Speaker 6: Since the Caitlyn Clark race factor is playing such a

704
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Speaker 6: huge effect in the WNBA. Was he trying to pull

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Speaker 6: that over to the NBA, to the viewership, or to

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Speaker 6: spark a new conversation. That's the only reason I can

707
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Speaker 6: think of why you would write a paragraph like that

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Speaker 6: in an article.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bryce, I mean I think it's an interesting point.

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Speaker 1: I think it's impossible not to at least think of

711
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Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark a little bit because of sort of where

712
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Speaker 1: we find ourselves in the discourse at this point. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that I would say that he was trying

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Speaker 1: to do any I don't think that his motives were

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Speaker 1: to inflame anything, and actually that might be worse. I

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Speaker 1: think he was literally just he thought he was speaking.

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Speaker 1: I think he was at the the a couple of

718
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Speaker 1: callers have mentioned they thought he might be speaking to

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Speaker 1: a certain community that might be sort of side eye

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Speaker 1: and Cooper Flagg, and like, yeah, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he's that good. Either way, it doesn't matter because it

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Speaker 1: reveals something. It's just like, you don't need to say

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Speaker 1: that he's white. We all know that. But the reason

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Speaker 1: you wrote the paragraph was to say, yeah, he's white,

725
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Speaker 1: but everybody says he's legit to me that that is

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Speaker 1: where we're I kind of sort of what like, again,

727
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Speaker 1: we were told how good he was already, and we

728
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Speaker 1: watched what he did at Duke, and we've heard a

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Speaker 1: lot of people inside NBA circles talking about how good

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Speaker 1: he is and how he seems to be mature beyond

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Speaker 1: his years and all of these other things. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that it's important then to say, yeah, he's white,

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter what color you are, if you

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Speaker 1: can handle the orange or whatever he said, the orange leather.

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Speaker 1: I think it was was how that piece was, how

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Speaker 1: that piece, that paragraph finished. And again, it wasn't just

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Speaker 1: a piece on Cooper flag. This was a piece about

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Speaker 1: various draft prospects where Cooper Flagg was in the headline.

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Speaker 1: Of course, because he's a number one player, and he's

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Speaker 1: the first guy that's talked about, and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: said about him here in this article, but that paragraph

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Speaker 1: is just like, man, I do not know what we

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Speaker 1: are doing here. I do not know why somebody like

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00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: David Aldridge didn't realize that might not have been the

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Speaker 1: best play. We didn't even get to the eighth Bailey

746
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Speaker 1: take because we took a few more of your phone calls,

747
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Speaker 1: which is cool. It's always good to talk to America.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna put a kind of

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Speaker 1: final bow on the NBA season, and I'm still gonna

750
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Speaker 1: ask the same question, can we be consistent in our

751
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Speaker 1: rational thought about these teams, including Oklahoma City and Indiana.

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Speaker 1: So we'll come back talk more NBA after this. Don't listen, no,

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Speaker 1: what's happening? Welcome in our number two Chris Planks show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jason Martin and for Chris with you for the

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Speaker 1: next couple hours. You usually hear me at the end

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Speaker 1: of your Saturday into your Sunday with Aaron Torres, and

757
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: you will hear me there again tonight. But we'll go

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Speaker 1: ahead and book in your day with Jason Martin, which

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Speaker 1: got to make Jerome happy. Jerome called in the last

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Speaker 1: segment he had held onto a grudge for a year

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Speaker 1: about a show. Hey, Tawny, Dave Roberts take, I made

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Speaker 1: I guess about a year ago at some point. I

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Speaker 1: vaguely remember something to that effect. But man, I wish

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Speaker 1: he had told me sooner. But I also said people

765
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Speaker 1: were not held to account in media for their takes,

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Speaker 1: and Jerome was like, well, let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be held to account. I like it. I

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Speaker 1: like it. It's good, wakes you up. It's like kind

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Speaker 1: of catching that adrenaline rusher, getting me up a effhron shot,

770
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Speaker 1: or getting the smelling salts. We're ready to roll. NBA

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Speaker 1: is done for the year Finals. In Game seven, hey, man, look,

772
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Speaker 1: the first half was really entertaining. Second half, the Pacers

773
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: finally just didn't have enough left. Okay. I'm a Thunder fan,

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Speaker 1: and I gotta say coming out of the game, I

775
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: came away with so much respect for Indiana, and it

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00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: was growing throughout the postseason, as it was for a

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Speaker 1: lot of us. I think. But that's a good team,

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Speaker 1: so well, coach team, It's a team that plays together,

779
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: plays hard, and you just hated that they weren't at

780
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Speaker 1: full strength at the end, and you hated even more

781
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Speaker 1: that Tyres Haliburton gave all that he had and when

782
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Speaker 1: he went down with that injury and then now he's

783
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Speaker 1: probably gonna miss the entire next season. And of course

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Speaker 1: he said afterwards, I wouldn't change a thing, I would

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Speaker 1: play again, And of course I agree, right like the

786
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Speaker 1: idea of not doing the thing, of not attempting to

787
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: go out there, you don't know if you were going

788
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: to have a worse situation or not. That was the

789
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, especially considering he had hit three threes

790
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Speaker 1: and really seem to be on his game. He definitely

791
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: was not going to be passive. But it cost it

792
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: maybe a year, and it certainly for the long term

793
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Speaker 1: for Indiana, it sets them back quite a bit because

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Speaker 1: they should have been right there in the mix again

795
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Speaker 1: next year. Now they're gonna have to figure out some contracts,

796
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Speaker 1: like a lot of teams are. But it was the

797
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: worst case scenario. But I'm not gonna be grudge anybody

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Speaker 1: that chooses to play in that situation when they make

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Speaker 1: the choice, if they're forced into it, if it's against

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Speaker 1: their will, and they do think that it's probably not

801
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: the safest, not the smartest thing to do. Then maybe

802
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: we can have a different discussion. But this has happened

803
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Speaker 1: through the years. You do get hurt in sports, especially

804
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: what Drum said in Last Hour, he's right me. Injuries

805
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: do happen in sports when you were doing the thing

806
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: that you were paid to do. Sometimes it goes wrong,

807
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: and it's very easy then to kind of look back

808
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Speaker 1: and say, well, he shouldn't have played like Matt corral

809
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: played in that Bowl game for Ole Miss a handful

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Speaker 1: of years ago, had that leg injury, and he was

811
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Speaker 1: never the same, really right NFL career never even kind

812
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: of got off the ground. I don't know what it

813
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: was going to be anyway, but it's certainly changed things

814
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Speaker 1: for him. And that has happened throughout time and will

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Speaker 1: continue to happen throughout time. And you can only protect

816
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: people so much. You can't keep them in glass. You

817
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: can't draft a guy and then not actually play him

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Speaker 1: because you're worried about his injury, because why'd you even

819
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Speaker 1: draft him? Then just draft somebody you're not worried about

820
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Speaker 1: their injuries nearly as much. That was always my argument

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Speaker 1: about Steven Strasburg. It was my argument even about Zion

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Speaker 1: Williamson at the beginning of his career, it's just don't

823
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Speaker 1: baby them. Go ahead and let him play. You drafted

824
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Speaker 1: them to play. Now, don't be dumb about it, like

825
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: don't make rash decisions or be unhealthy or push too much.

826
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Speaker 1: But there's got to be a better balance than We've

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Speaker 1: got to put this guy in bubble wrap for his

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Speaker 1: first couple of years after we draft him. And it's

829
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Speaker 1: not even about the investment that you made in him.

830
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Speaker 1: It's about eventually he's going to have to go out

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Speaker 1: there and get his knocks. The best thing is, like,

832
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Speaker 1: what is it? Patrick Mahomes always says that one of

833
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: the reasons why he likes to play some in the

834
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: preseason is that he loves to just get hit once.

835
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: He doesn't feel right until he gets hit once. The

836
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: anticipation of it's like, might gonna be all right? Just

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Speaker 1: just drop me once, like knock me out once. I

838
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: stand back up a ready to play for the season.

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Speaker 1: So Tyrese Haliburton playing in Game seven and saying he

840
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to live in himself if he

841
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: had not, he would have regretted it for his entire life.

842
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Speaker 1: I can completely understand that had he been able to play,

843
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: would they have beaten the Thunder. I have no idea,

844
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: neither do you, neither does anybody else. But we can

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Speaker 1: say that you come out of that with a lot

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Speaker 1: of respect for both those teams, but definitely a ton

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Speaker 1: of respect for Indiana and the way that they go

848
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: about it and what they've done. But the Thunder win

849
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: their first championship. SGA wins your finals MVP wasn't like

850
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: a It wasn't a great finals performance for the Thunder

851
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: over for all in terms of their offensive game, and

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00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: they just didn't look quite as dominant, right. They didn't

853
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: look like the team that had won nearly seventy games

854
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: in the regular season and was the one seed, like

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00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: they had to earn that thing. And I think if

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Speaker 1: you watched the Pacers during the playoffs, especially in that

857
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: Knick series, that shouldn't have caught you completely by surprise

858
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: because they were going to show up and make it hard,

859
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: and they did. But I've kind of been on one

860
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: note so far during this show, kind of went after

861
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: the media a good bit in hour one about how

862
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: they are framing Cooper flag before he plays a minute

863
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: of NBA basketball. Now I want to go after a

864
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: different take. This is another one that I heard in

865
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: the lead up to the NBA Finals, and then I

866
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: heard something strikingly different after the NBA Finals, and I

867
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: think it's a complete example of what I let off

868
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: the show with the take before the finals was. And

869
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm quoting this. I'm not gonna give you the source.

870
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: I can't even remember now, but I saw it in

871
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: multiple places, So this is not isolated. That this was

872
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: a generational mismatch between the Thunder and the Pacers, and

873
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: that the Thunder were just going to walk all over

874
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: the Pacers. This might be a sweep. Maybe it's going

875
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: to be a gentleman sweep. All of this. I'm a

876
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: huge Oklahoma City Thunder fan. I think I even said five, right,

877
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: but in my head I was thinking maybe six. But

878
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: I was trying to be a little bit confident about it.

879
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: But either way, I wasn't right either. It still went

880
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: seven and it almost went the other way. But I

881
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: never believed the generational mismatch thing. I thought that made

882
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: no sense at all, especially considering that the guys that

883
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: were playing for Oklahoma City had virtually no experience whatsoever.

884
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: In the NBA Finals. They're super young. There's a lot

885
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: of pressure on them, just like there's pressure on the

886
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: Indiana Pacers. So I think all bets were we're going

887
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: to be off like talent, notwithstanding individual performances, all of that.

888
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: This thing could get wonky in a hurry, and I

889
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: think it did. And it turned out to be a

890
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: pretty compelling series from game to game. But that take

891
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: then as soon as they win the finals, as soon

892
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: as they win the championship on Sunday night, Monday was

893
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: the cavalcade. The avalanche if you will. Of you know,

894
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City is not a great champion. Oklahoma City would

895
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: be I don't know, eighth out of the last ten

896
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: NBA champions. Hey, man, don't worry about a dynasty. Dynasties

897
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: are hard. Just go enjoy your parade. All these other

898
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff stuff set them. This network is set

899
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: on all networks. And I'm thinking to myself, one I'm thinking,

900
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: I don't know why we need to say that, because

901
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: I didn't hear a bunch of Oklahoma City th under

902
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: players saying this is one of ten or one of eight.

903
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 1: We're gonna go win eight championships. Nobody was talking about

904
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: dynasty except the media. Oklahoma City knows that nothing is guaranteed.

905
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: They won a championship and it was probably harder than

906
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: they assumed it was going to be going into the finals.

907
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: But this is the exact same thing I was talking

908
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: about with Cooper Flag. We go from generational mismatch. This

909
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: Thunder team is an absolute juggernaut too or really not

910
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: that good. These are the extremes. This is precisely what

911
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: I was decrying in the first hour. This is not

912
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: the way we need to do this job. The truth

913
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: resides between those two positions. The truth is in the

914
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: middle of those two positions. It was not a generational mismatch.

915
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: That was embarrassing to suggest. And then after the fact, No,

916
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: the Thunder are really good. You can intimate that. You

917
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 1: can make that claim and you can make it true

918
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: without going any further. You can just say they're good

919
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: without going forward to be like, man, the Pacers don't

920
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: even deserve to be in the finals with them. That's preposterous.

921
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 4: And in a.

922
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: Universe where you're held to account for that sort of thing,

923
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't get said. But that's not We have

924
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: conditioned and our audiences across the media landscape. And this

925
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: goes for everything, sports, politics, whatever you want to say,

926
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 1: there's probably a good version of this, a good helping

927
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: of this, a big time Thanksgiving Smorgesborg or this. We

928
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: have conditioned our audience not to really think too hard

929
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: about what we say for too long. We just need

930
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: to have something to say that day. We need to

931
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: have something newsworthy to say that day, and in a

932
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: lot of cases, we need something that is crafted specifically

933
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 1: that we can say that then other people on our

934
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: own network can then talk about for the rest of

935
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: that day. We can generate content out of our own

936
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,280
Speaker 1: content for other shows so that they can have content,

937
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: so that our network is revolving around itself, like a

938
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: snake eating its own tail or something like that. This

939
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: ecosystem is weird, strange that is done this way. But

940
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: I was left thinking afterwards, it's just like, why are

941
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: we dog bowling on the thunder on Monday and Tuesday

942
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 1: after we were basically bowing to them before the finals started?

943
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: What changed? You watched them games and now they're not

944
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: as good but you thought they were. But it wasn't

945
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: even talked about like that. It wasn't even talked about, Like,

946
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't play as well as I thought

947
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: they were going to play in this finals. They really didn't.

948
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: They left the door open for the Pacers. And it's

949
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: possible if Tyrese Haliburton hadn't gone down with this injury,

950
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: maybe this would have gone a different way and we'd

951
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: be having a different conversation today. But the Thunder did

952
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: win a championship. They were the best team in the

953
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: league during the regular season. You can give them their

954
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: flowers and you could actually leave them there if you

955
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: made the original take just a little bit, a little

956
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: bit less peaky, right, Like it doesn't have to be

957
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: on the top of Mount Everest. Let's let's bring it

958
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: down to at least like the Blue Ridge Mountains or

959
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: something of the Alleghany Mountains, latch And Mountain, something like that,

960
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: like a just a bit right. You don't have to

961
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: give them the whole bouquet. You can just give them

962
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: a dozen roses. It's the extremes that drive what we do.

963
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: But it's one of the reasons why what we do

964
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: is not really about us being right, and it's also

965
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: not about us informing the audience, not out about us

966
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: actually telling you what we think. It's just about it.

967
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to catch anybody particularly off guard.

968
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: And you know, whatever, whatever you consume this for, maybe

969
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: this is fine. But it's presented and the reason why

970
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: it's done the way that it's done is simply because

971
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: we know it's going to get a rise out of

972
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: you one way or the other. It's going to interest you.

973
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: The take is meant to interest you, not to actually

974
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: inform you or give you much like deep discussion about

975
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: a topic that's boring, like that's that's c span, right,

976
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: that's long form reporting in articles that no one reads

977
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: based on the metrics if you like, like those long articles.

978
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: And I used to be a purveyor of this back

979
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: when I was writing pop culture stuff. I wrote too long,

980
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: pretty consistently. A lot of people just don't read it,

981
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: especially if it's electronic. I find it a lot harder

982
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: to read word for word on any electronic device as

983
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: opposed to a newspaper, a magazine, an actual book, things

984
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: like that. I have gotten in the practice of skimming

985
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,959
Speaker 1: anything on a screen, and it's not because what's written

986
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: on the screen is not as good as what's in print.

987
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,399
Speaker 1: There's just something about the mentality where I can't slow

988
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: myself down because the speed of the screen is so

989
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: fast all the time, and I'm getting so much information

990
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: shot into my veins from every direction that I am

991
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: basically a walking adderall pill where I'm carrying like an

992
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: adderall pill every time I have my phone, there's a

993
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: reason your heart rate rising. It seems like, I don't

994
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: know if this is universal, but it is to me.

995
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: I'm like just kind of going through and checking the

996
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: websites I usually do, and trying to read articles and

997
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff just online, especially on like

998
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: a phone or something like that, for some reason, my

999
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: heart ray rises. I just think the pacing is completely different.

1000
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: But we are not here providing a service. We are

1001
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: here providing a show. That's what I was left with

1002
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: after the NBA Finals, because the way that the finals

1003
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: were framed before they began was a show, and the

1004
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 1: way that the finals were talked about after they ended

1005
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: was a show. And it was nothing more and nothing less.

1006
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: So I think it was just time to have that

1007
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: conversation here tonight with a couple of these issues that

1008
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: are popping up. The Cooper flag story and the way

1009
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: that now all of a sudden, their favorites to compete

1010
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: to win the West this year, which I think is

1011
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: just it's a ridiculous thing to assert. And again, because

1012
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: no one's going to care that it was said in

1013
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: June at the end of the season. You can get

1014
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: away with saying it now because you can sing a

1015
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: completely different tune in May and even act like you

1016
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: didn't even say it back in August or September. Most

1017
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: people won't ever call you on it or even remember

1018
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: it because they've had a phone in their hands and

1019
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: they've had seventeen trillion pieces of information pass through. Nothing

1020
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: lasts anymore, almost nothing except the biggest of the big scandals,

1021
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: and even a lot of those fall through the cracks.

1022
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: There's more coverage, but there's also more stories and more

1023
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: things to cover, and more people now that you can

1024
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: cover because you can cover your own family and everybody

1025
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: in it because they all have a social media account,

1026
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: they're all over the place, so we're not providing the

1027
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: same kind of thing. There's a reason why baseball announcers

1028
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: on the radio I always felt like we're at the

1029
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: top of their craft, and it's because they were true storytellers.

1030
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: You're Dick Emburg's, You're Vin Scully's. Guys like that through

1031
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: the year that between pitches had to tell you their stories,

1032
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: and they had to have anecdotes, and they had to

1033
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: be able to look into a crowd and see something

1034
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: and be able to tell you over the radio because

1035
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: you weren't able to see it on your screen. That

1036
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: storytelling mechanism is gone. It's just gone, and in its

1037
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: place is whatever this is. I got to say, I

1038
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: missed the storytelling and I never even really got to

1039
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: do it in this industry because I came in at

1040
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: a time when we were already well down the path

1041
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: any other direction. But I wish we could be a

1042
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: little bit more consistent just in being rational about some stuff.

1043
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: You can still have if you're passionate about something, by

1044
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: all means, just don't generate fake passion to be more extreme,

1045
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: either on the pro or the con side. And then

1046
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: if it does, if you do go passionately about something

1047
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: that goes against you, just say, man, I flat out

1048
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: got that thing wrong. People will remember that You'll actually

1049
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: be You'll actually come to be known that way if

1050
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 1: you can keep your job long enough, and that becomes

1051
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: your issue when we come back, there was no Caitlyn

1052
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: Clark on the floor. Hasn't been for a couple games.

1053
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: There's not going to be, at least probably for one more,

1054
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: seems like. But there's a lot of pressure on it

1055
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: right now, and a pretty hotly highly anticipated matchup in

1056
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: the WNBA then had to kind of take a back seat,

1057
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: and the other star in that game, the other player

1058
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: of note in that game, had a if you can

1059
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: believe this nuanced, kind of awesome take about Caitlin Clark.

1060
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that when we come back on the

1061
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: Chris Blank Show. I'm Jason Martin and for Chris here

1062
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Hi, this is Jay.

1063
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 2: I'm the producer of the Paul and Toni Fusco Show.

1064
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: Usually in these promos they ask you to listen to

1065
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: the show. I'm here to ask you please don't listen

1066
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: to the show. The hosts are two absolute morons who

1067
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 2: have the dumbest takes on sports imaginable. Don't listen to

1068
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 2: the show so it can get camps.

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Speaker 1: I said, nineties is usually right when I'm hosting and

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00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: I get Natalie and Bruglia. It's funny as I wonder

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00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: if this was I wonder if we can stump him

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00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: with this, not with this. No, you have to try harder, deep,

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00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: go further into the bag to get me to that.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jason Martin for Chris Plank. Here Chris Plank Show,

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00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. I usually hosted Aaron Torres on Saturday nights.

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00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: I'll be doing that well on Saturday Night, which will

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00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: be tonight, So tune into that right here on many

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Speaker 1: of these same Fox Sports Radio stations. So Caitlin Clark

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00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: has been out. She missed the game against the Dallas Wings,

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00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: which is important because it was Page Beckers. So you

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00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: would have the Page Beckers versus Kaitlyn Clark matchup that

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00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: we also got between Iowa and Yukon last year. And

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00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: of course Kaitlyn Clark gets talked about just a little

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00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: bit in sports right like we hear this a bit

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00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: these days. The Kaitlyn Clark topic is there all the time. Well,

1094
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: she's in the midst of a big time shooting slump.

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00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: She's like one of twenty three from three in her

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00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: last couple games, coming back off like missing five from

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00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: the quad injury. So she's been in a bit of

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00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: a slump. And I actually I read an article with

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00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of various like slump experts in various disciplines

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00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: of life that we're trying to explain this. It's like,

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00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: it's been like two three bad games after an injury.

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00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: Can we relax just a little bit, Like everybody goes

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00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: through this, right and especially I mean, shooting in basketball

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00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: is not an easy thing to do, and you're coming

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00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: back in she's got a groin injury now, which is

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00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: why she was back out and missed the game. That's

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00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: probably not going to help your three point shooting either.

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00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: But I think it's more important to hear what Paige Becker's,

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00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: who would have been her opponent the number one picking

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: this past draft, what she had to say, because it's

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00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: always about what other people have to say about Kaitlin Clark.

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00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: That becomes interesting, and a lot of it is negative,

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00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: but not from page Becker's at all as a matter

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00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: of fact. So here's what she said on Thursday after

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00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: a Dallas practice. She was talking about, like just what

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00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark has gone through, the pressure that she has faced,

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00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: She said, quote she handles it with grace. The pressure

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00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: that she's put on every single night to perform at

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00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: the level that she does. It's inhumane, really to expect

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Speaker 1: people to be perfect and to not have off games

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Speaker 1: or off nights. If she doesn't go eight for ten

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00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: from three, people are questioning things. It's unfair to have

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Speaker 1: to deal with that. I'm sure she has a great

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00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: team around her and great people to help her, and

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Speaker 1: I know she's a great person at dealing with it

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Speaker 1: and just tuning out the noise and just continuing to

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00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: be there for herself and for her team. The expectations

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Speaker 1: it's tough when you listen to it, so I'm sure

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Speaker 1: she has a great way of tuning it out. And

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Speaker 1: she talked about how she's even learning from Caitlyn Clark.

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00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: She said, you know, you got to be able to

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Speaker 1: give yourself great That's what she has talked about, and

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01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: you have to know you're not perfect. There's gonna be

1134
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 1: ups and downs. It's gonna be good games, it's gonna

1135
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: be bad games. But as long as you keep it forward,

1136
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: keep pushing, keep learning, keep growing from game to game,

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01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: that's all you can ask for, man, amen, first of all.

1138
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: But also how refreshing to get that, especially from that league,

1139
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: about that player. But that's actually good advice for us,

1140
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: all right there. Yes, they're gonna be good days and

1141
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna be bad days. And as long as we

1142
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: are not defined by how good or how bad our

1143
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: day is, man, hopefully our foundation is in something stronger

1144
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: than that. But it is good to see an acknowledgment

1145
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: of what Caitlin Clark is actually going through by one

1146
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: of her peers in that league that doesn't play on

1147
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: the same team with her. So yeah, you have people

1148
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: on the Fever that have defended Caitlyn Clark here and there,

1149
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: but generally almost every almost everything else that you've heard

1150
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 1: throughout the league has either been negative or it's been

1151
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: like some kind of or something like that. This is

1152
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: maybe the most genuine comment that I have seen from

1153
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,959
Speaker 1: another player up here, a competitor, a fellow competitor about

1154
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Clark that just rings completely true because and this

1155
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: is what's kind of amazing about it. Right, If I

1156
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:16,919
Speaker 1: had not told you it was Paige Beckers, you would

1157
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: have had no idea because she didn't make it about her.

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01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: She just kind of said, man, what Kaitlyn goes through

1159
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: is nuts. Yes, she's got she's in a bit of

1160
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: a funk for a couple of games here, but I mean,

1161
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: everybody has bad nights and everybody has good nights too.

1162
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: You got to give yourself some grace. That's pretty wise

1163
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: for a rookie in the WNBA, don't you think? Like

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Speaker 1: I liked Page Beckers at Yukon. I enjoyed just kind

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Speaker 1: of I enjoyed kind of how she seemed to go

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01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: about her business super competitive, but also seemed to be

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01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: pretty down to earth and just seemed to be a

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Speaker 1: solid young lady, solid young woman. And then I read

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Speaker 1: that and I'm just like, and there might be hope

1170
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: out there's at least somebody in the WNBA with a brain, Right,

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01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: there's somebody in the WNBA with a brain. When it

1172
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: comes to we don't have to just completely dog her

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01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: out every time we get the opportunity to talk. And

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Speaker 1: I don't even think Page is looking at it in

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Speaker 1: terms of well man the league needs her, so I'd

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01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: better say nice things about her. Maybe that's it, but

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Speaker 1: it just seems like no Page is a rookie, and

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Speaker 1: Page is treating this like this pressure that she's under.

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Speaker 1: I'm a number one pick, but I'm certainly not under

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Speaker 1: the same level of pressure she is. But at the

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01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: same time, I can learn from this, and they may

1182
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: have had a friendly relationship to some degree prior to this,

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01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: and there may even be some comments from other players

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01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: in that league that I've missed, But we know what

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01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: gets covered, and we know how it's been talked about,

1186
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: and we know generally what has been said and what's

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01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: gone down, all the flagrant fouls and all of this,

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01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: and that's become kind of the entire story. So I

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Speaker 1: wanted to at least give a couple of minutes to

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Speaker 1: the other side of that, which is there's at least

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Speaker 1: somebody out there who really didn't have any reason to

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Speaker 1: be this kind of polite, nice, accommodating, and actually just

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01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: kind of illustrative of what you should be. You don't

1194
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: always have to take the low road every single time

1195
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: it is offered to you. Even when you see it,

1196
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: you can still decide not to do that it's always

1197
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: going to be there to go that direction, but you

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01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: don't have to do it, and so I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: somebody out there did not. So we'll see what happens

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Speaker 1: when Caitlyn comes back. She may have missed her last game.

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01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Going into Friday. I'm not sure that

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01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: they were positive she wasn't gonna play, but she didn't

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Speaker 1: end up playing last night against Becker's and the Wings,

1204
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: which I mean that would have been a nice matchup,

1205
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 1: even though I still don't know from like game to game,

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01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: who is directly paying attention to what's happening. I mean,

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01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: for me, I just don't watch. I don't have the

1208
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 1: time to watch everything that's going on, especially these days.

1209
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: But the WNBA's just not something we generally talk about.

1210
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: But usually you're at least paying attention to some box

1211
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,919
Speaker 1: scores for certain players and Caitlin Clark if nothing else,

1212
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: you're at least watching that you're keeping some kind of

1213
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 1: an idea in your head of what's going on, but

1214
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: it maybe isn't top of mind. Similarly, another thing that's

1215
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: not top of mind is what's happening right now at

1216
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: the end of June in various scenarios around the NFL.

1217
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: We're still month and a half. I don't know if

1218
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: my math is right there, but somewhere in that two

1219
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: months away from the start of the season, there are

1220
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: some stories. Aaron Rodgers say it might be his last year.

1221
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: We'll get to that later on in the show. But

1222
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: t J. Huschmanzada, who we know pretty well round here,

1223
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: was talking about the Browns. He was talking about the

1224
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: Browns quarterback competition, and he has said through somebody in

1225
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: the organization. He didn't name him, which I wouldn't expect

1226
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: him to. We had heard some we had heard and

1227
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: we had read that Shoudhear Sanders seemed to be kind

1228
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: of shining over the other guys there. It's certainly above

1229
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett, and that he was really

1230
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: starting to deal. And then of course we've had those

1231
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: stories in the last few weeks the opposite way as

1232
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: it relates to shouldhear Sanders with the couple of speeding

1233
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: tickets and the way that that was handled and all

1234
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 1: of that. So, I mean, he's always gonna have a

1235
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: I think he's always gonna have a bigger microscope now,

1236
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: especially because of the way the draft played out, but

1237
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: even the draft process and the way things were talked

1238
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: about in the lead up to the draft, this was

1239
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: gonna be we were gonna have a pretty close eye

1240
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: on what was going on. But what Huschmann Zada has

1241
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 1: said is that at least from somebody in that organization,

1242
01:05:48,680 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: it is a two man race to QB one, and

1243
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: he is saying that it's Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett.

1244
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: He said that on the I guess it was Shannon

1245
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: Sharks podcast, but he said it on I said it

1246
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: on Nightcap and he said, it really isn't even fair.

1247
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: It's coming down to Kenny Pickett or Dylan Gabriel. It's

1248
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: not a current player on the roster, he said. So

1249
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: it's somebody in the organization, he says, but he's suggesting that,

1250
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of those two guys that's gonna

1251
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: be QB one. It's not gonna be flock. Oh, it's

1252
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: not gonna be Kenny, it's not gonna be Shadoor. And

1253
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: that most of the reporting as of late, just in

1254
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 1: the last few weeks indicate Shudor is definitely not gonna

1255
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 1: be the starter. Week one. Look, I don't know. I'm

1256
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: on record saying I think he starts a game before

1257
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: the end of the year. Even if this is true,

1258
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: even if what TJ is saying is one thousand percent true,

1259
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: I do not see a universe where Schudoor doesn't start

1260
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: at least one game this year. I could be wrong.

1261
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: I could definitely be wrong. I'm not there and I

1262
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to watch any of these practices, just like

1263
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: looking at how looking at that quarterback room, and by

1264
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: the way, I didn't even mention Deshaun Watson right there.

1265
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: I have no idea where he fits into this whatsoever.

1266
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: I kind of think his fit in the NFL is

1267
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: treacherous at best at this stage. But this is the

1268
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: kind of thing that you're gonna hear at the end

1269
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: of June. And because it's a source that's not a

1270
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: current player, it's just like, what's the motive behind it?

1271
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't mean for TJ, I mean for the source.

1272
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: Let's say a source did tell him this. Does this

1273
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: source have a reason to say it in the way

1274
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: that he does. Was there a purpose behind this or

1275
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: is this just legitimate? TJ has a relationship with this guy,

1276
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: and so this guy kind of gave him a little

1277
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: bit of insider info. Then he said, hey, man, I

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be this. You never know, because there's

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Speaker 1: plenty of time for everything to change. But it's not

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Speaker 1: necessarily what I was expecting, because if Dylan Gabriel is

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Speaker 1: one of the guys that's shining, and one of the

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Speaker 1: guys that has the potential would be QB one, that

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Speaker 1: would be the least likely scenario to me. Yes, he

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Speaker 1: was drafted before Shador, but it seemed like the minute,

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Speaker 1: the minute Shadur was drafted, Dylan Gabriel became the biggest

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Speaker 1: loser in the NFL draft because you drafted a behind

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Speaker 1: him that was almost universally seen as being in front

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Speaker 1: of him by a pretty wide margin. So oh, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: they finally just pulled the trigger on the door, even

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Speaker 1: with some of the red flags, with the interviews and

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Speaker 1: some of the things that made teams leary to draft him.

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Speaker 1: So now Dylan Gabriel is just a man without a country,

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Speaker 1: like there's no role for him anymore. What exactly is

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Speaker 1: he supposed to do? But this would indicate that Dylan

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01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 1: Gabriel was showing up doing his job and impressing people,

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Speaker 1: which I mean that would be the least likely thing

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Speaker 1: to the most improbable result of this would be doing

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Speaker 1: Gabriel as QB one week one. I still don't think

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Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen, by the way, but if

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Speaker 1: it does, then that's going to speak to some pretty

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01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 1: hard work that Dylan Gabriel has put in in that building,

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Speaker 1: not just on the field, but just relationally with the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff, with other players. He's going to have to

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01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,719
Speaker 1: have gotten a lot of people on his side, because

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Speaker 1: there's no reason to think that's what would have happened.

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01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: Like it just seems like, yeah, we're gonna draft Shaduur.

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01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean we drafted Dylan, but it was like fourth

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01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: round we are. I mean, his prospects for the pros.

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01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: He's a little small da da da da dah all

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Speaker 1: this and who knows, right, like, maybe he ends up

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Speaker 1: being one of the greatest players to ever live. We

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01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: have no idea. But the fact that they then drafted

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Speaker 1: Shadeur a couple of rounds later, well, he's the one

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Speaker 1: that's gonna have the interest level. No one's even gonna

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Speaker 1: care about Dylan Gabriel. He's gonna be the one standing

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01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 1: in his locker that no one's talking to while everyone

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01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: is mobbing Shadoor Sanders, we're talking about or talking to

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Speaker 1: Flacco because Flacco's the vet in the room, or maybe

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01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: Sean I don't know, but nobody's gonna be interested in

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01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: dying Gabriel at all. He's just kinda gonna be on

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01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: the roster unless he's the one that gets cut because

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01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: they're probably not going into the season with that many

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01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks on the roster. And now you're hearing that, so

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01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: that I mean, honestly, that's uplifting. Like I hated that

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Speaker 1: for Dylan Gabriel. You wouldn't want that for anybody, right,

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01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: Like anybody that's going into that lead, you want them

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01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: to because you have to put yourself in their shoes.

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01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: I would that would just be very difficult for me

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01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: to take, especially if I had already been told, yeah,

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01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: you know you're you're what you can do, and your

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: size and your skill set not really a great fit

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01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: to be a starter. Maybe a career backup. Maybe you

1333
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: can make a Chase Daniel career out of yourself or

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01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: something like that, but it's probably not in the cards

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01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 1: for you to be playing in the Super Bowl. Son

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01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Of course you can tell that

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01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: to brock Party, but doing Gabriel just answering a call.

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01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: I mean, he said the right things when he had

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01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 1: the opportunity to. But this is kind of shocking to

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01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: me now. I have not talked to T J. Husminzada

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01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: one on one to kind of just hear it from

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01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: the source directly and be able to ask any kind

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01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: of follow up questions or talk it through. This is

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01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: another one of those things that you can say that

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01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: either the organization could deny it or nothing gets said,

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01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: because again, nobody's gonna remember that it was said. Next week.

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01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: You guys will listen to Chris Blank Show next week

1348
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: we're right here on this exact same station you're listening

1349
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,599
Speaker 1: to me on right now, and you won't even remember

1350
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:15,679
Speaker 1: this topic was said. That's how short our attention spans

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01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: are now, and our memory is getting worse and worse

1352
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: because technology is making it so we don't have to

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01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 1: remember anything. I joke all the time. My prime example is,

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01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: please don't ask me to actually like give you directions

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01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,719
Speaker 1: to find where I am. I don't know. My GPS

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01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 1: has made me dumb as a doornail, has made me

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01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: absolutely just inept. I was never great with directions compared

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01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: to some, but I knew how to read map and

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01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: everything else like most people my age did when we

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01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: first got our driver's licenses. Also got lost like most

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01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: people my age did when they got their driver's licenses.

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01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: But now I can't even find I can find like

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01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,839
Speaker 1: three things. I know how to get home from most places.

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01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: I know how to get to church, which is also

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01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: my oldest daughter's preschool, and I kind of feel like

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01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:12,640
Speaker 1: I could almost find my wife's office outside of that,

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01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 1: and like a couple of stores, I think I can

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01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 1: find Costco. That's about it. So that's our attention span. Now,

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01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: our memories and our attention spans are going by the

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01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: wayside because we can just ask AI, and then AI,

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01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: of course can tell us whatever it's programmed to tell us,

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01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 1: which is kind of frightening. When we come back out

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01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,800
Speaker 1: of this break, Roger says he's pretty sure this is it.

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01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: He says that to Pat McAfee earlier this week. I

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01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: think he's right. I think this is gonna be it.

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01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: I also think it's gonna be a word that rhymes

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01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: with it that we won't say on the radio. We'll

1378
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 1: talk about that more when we come back. My name

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01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: is Jason Martin. I'm in for Chris Plank here on

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio. You can stream this show all of

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01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,120
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01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,479
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01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: in the app, select Fox Sports Radio as a preset.

1385
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: That's like the presets on a radio dial where maybe

1386
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: you would have hurt incubus back in the day. So

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01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:16,639
Speaker 1: be sure preset Fox Sports Radio in the iHeart Radio app.

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01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: It will always pop up at the top of your screen.

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01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:25,439
Speaker 1: iHeart Radio app getting better by the update. Also, every

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Speaker 1: weekend best pregame show tune in Fox Sports Radio is Countdown,

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01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: noon Eastern six to nine Pacific. They'll count you down

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01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: presented by BETMGM every Saturday and Sunday morning. Right here

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio App. I am

1396
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: Jason Martin and Nashville, Tennessee, where I do the show

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Speaker 1: in for Chris Plank here this evening. I'm usually with

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Speaker 1: Aaron Torres. You can hear me tonight with Aaron to

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01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 1: finish off your Saturday, like we do every week here

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01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: on many of these same Fox Sports radio stations. Aaron

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01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: Rodgers told Pat mcphe earlier this week that he thinks

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01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 1: this is going to be his last season in the NFL.

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01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 1: Not what steeries like that. That's why I signed a

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01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: one year deal. I think this is it, you know what.

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01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 1: A lot of times when Aaron Rodgers talks, you think, yeah,

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01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know whether or not I can

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01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: believe this. I don't know if it's true. I don't

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01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: know if he's actually married. I don't know if he

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01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: was at a darkness or retreat. I don't know if

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01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: he created some kind of straw man at burning Man

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01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: this year. I'm not sure if he was on ayahuasca.

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01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: You know a lot of stuff about Aaron Rodgers. It's

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01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: sort of up in the air. It's like, I don't

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01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 1: know what's true and what's not. I actually think this

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01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: one's a million percent true. I don't think there's even

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01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: a debate that he thinks this is going to be

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01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: his last year. I also think that this is going

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01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: to be his last year. Maybe whether he even wants

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01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: it to or not, but I do think he's probably done.

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01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: But maybe more importantly than all of this is that

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01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a last year that

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01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: is going to on a whimper. I am on record

1423
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: probably my number one NFL take entering this coming season

1424
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: is that this is going to be the year that

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01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin's over five hundred streak comes to an end.

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01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 1: The Steelers are going to finish with like seven wins.

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01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 1: When you are putting your weight in the Aaron Rodgers

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01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: basket in twenty twenty five, what are you expecting to

1429
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: find out of that? When is the last time that

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01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers played more than one game in a row

1431
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: that was consistent. It's been about three years now. He

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01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: had the injury the year, the first year with the Jets,

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01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: second year, last year. I mean, he had maybe one

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01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: game to think about and that was about it at

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01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: a Thursday night game that was pretty decent. I think

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: that was against the Patriots. It's been a minute since

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01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: he was truly relevant in the NFL when it comes

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01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: to what he was doing on the field. In a

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01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: positive sense. He's always relevant because he's Aaron Rodgers, and

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01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: he's going to make himself relevant, which is why when

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01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: you hear the other thing that he said, which is

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01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: probably going to be pretty quiet, and you're not gonna

1443
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: hear much from me at all once I'm done in

1444
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: the NFL. I'll believe that when I see it, because

1445
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people think they don't like the attention

1446
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: until it's gone, and then all of a sudden they

1447
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 1: start cropping back up in ways that you never would

1448
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: have seen. Maybe he is. Maybe we will never hear

1449
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: from him again, And if that's what's going to make

1450
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: him the happiest, then that's exactly what I hope that

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01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: he goes and does. Just I hope the marriage is

1452
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: legit and it's the right woman, and you know, you

1453
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: can have a post playing career that dwarfs your playing

1454
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,280
Speaker 1: career when it comes to what's actually important in life.

1455
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's gonna be very good at

1456
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 1: football this year, and that's what we're here to talk about.

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01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:06,240
Speaker 1: I don't think there's nothing that indicates that the Steelers

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01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: are going to be particularly good this year. George Pickens

1459
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: not there. They moved on from Najee Harris, which I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not really saying that's a negative. It's just it

1461
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: is what it is. Tomlin is gonna do what Tomlin does.

1462
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 1: And then you've got Aaron Rodgers, and I don't know

1463
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: the situation right like you look at it. He may

1464
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 1: have had more talent offensively around him in New York

1465
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 1: than he does in Pittsburgh. And they were supposedly gonna

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01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: have a pretty good defense in New York, and I

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01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: do think they've got one in Pittsburgh. But you know,

1468
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: you got guys on that team that are older, and

1469
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: you also have guys on a team that have been

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Speaker 1: injured a lot in the last few years, even your

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01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: best player, I would say, at that rate. And you're

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Speaker 1: in a division that has Cincinnati, who will see if

1473
01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: they step back up to the play. But you got Baltimore,

1474
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: who's gonna be one of the teams many think will

1475
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: make it to a Super Bowl this year. Cleveland, we

1476
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,759
Speaker 1: already spent some time this hour talking about their situation.

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01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, because their quarterback thing being

1478
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: the way that it is and just all of that,

1479
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can really predict what they're

1480
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: going to be. But I got the Steelers at best

1481
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:23,799
Speaker 1: third in that division at best. I think the Ravens

1482
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: are probably clearly going to win it because there's still

1483
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: too many holes in Cincinnati on the defensive side of

1484
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: the football. Antio lines still not very good. But Pittsburgh

1485
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 1: is just so. We saw what they did with Russell

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01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: Wilson and Justin Fields last year, okay, and I think

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Speaker 1: that went better than most thought that it would. And

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01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 1: I actually thought Russell Wilson played pretty good. Do you

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01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: really think that Aaron Rodgers is going to do more

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01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: with less than Russell Wilson did a year ago? Do

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Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers is better than Russell Wilson. Yes,

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01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: Now at this point, I don't know like they maybe

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01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: they're about to say I still think Aaron Rodgers a

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01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: little bit better, But I mean from baseline standpoint, he

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01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: was much better. Right like, overall as a player in

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Speaker 1: their primes, they were both very very good, but Aaron

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01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: Rodgers was clearly the better player. But it didn't really matter.

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Speaker 1: I just look at it and I say, I think

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01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: that Russell Wilson's gonna be the one that ends up

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Speaker 1: with the most victories in a Steelers uniform over Aaron

1501
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: Rodgers because I think they overperformed last year and I

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01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 1: think they're gonna win about seven games this year. Cooper Flag.

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01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: We let off the show with Cooper Flag. We shall

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01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 1: get back to after the break. Also, Nico Harrison, come

1505
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 1: on man, hey, nobody buying what you're selling. We'll play

1506
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 1: some crazy audio from the MAVs general manager when we

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Speaker 1: come back. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back

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01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: in or welcome in if you're just tuning in wherever

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Speaker 1: you are. Appreciate you being here. I am Jason Martin

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01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: In for the great Chris Plink. This is is the

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01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 1: Chris Blank Show here on Fox Sports Radio. We're live

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01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: in the Fox Sports Radio studios. You can usually hear

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01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: me with Aaron Torres finishing off your Saturday and opening

1514
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 1: up your Sunday. You'll hear me that way again tonight.

1515
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Speaker 1: So if you enjoy this, hopefully you'll tune into that program.

1516
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: We have a lot of fun on that show. We

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01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 1: opened up and if you missed anything, you can always

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Speaker 1: podcast everything wherever you get your podcasts of choice. Just

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Speaker 1: search Fox Sports Radio. You'll find everything there so you

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01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,760
Speaker 1: don't have to miss any of the highjinks throughout the day.

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01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: Throughout the main shows during a week of course, and

1522
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 1: certainly the weekends as well. We talked about Cooper Flag

1523
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: right off the top, and I mentioned that I'm already

1524
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: irritated because I'm seeing the grift begin. And I also

1525
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: wanted to say that usually when you hear grifts, sometimes

1526
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: you immediately start to sort of recoil because you're like, oh,

1527
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: here comes some ridiculous disagreement kind of take. And it's like, no,

1528
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: grift is misused to like kind of smear somebody that

1529
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 1: says something you disagree with. All right, you're just grifting

1530
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 1: because it's got a negative connotation. No, I'm saying grift

1531
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: because you're just manufacturing content out of certain takes that

1532
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: also breed other content even in other directions. Right, Like,

1533
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 1: there's a reason why things are going the way that

1534
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 1: they're going. There's a reason why you're talking about things.

1535
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: And when it comes to Cooper Flag, to take after

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01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 1: the draft was look, man, Dallas can compete for the

1537
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: West this coming year. It's just like, come on, really,

1538
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: we're going here. Not good for him. There's no reason

1539
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 1: to put that kind of expectation on him. Almost no

1540
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:36,560
Speaker 1: one in the league does anything remotely like that. Especially

1541
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: in year one. And yes there's talent, but there's also

1542
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 1: aged talent that's injured talent too. There's some solid role

1543
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:45,799
Speaker 1: players on the team. And you've got Anthony Davis and Kyrie.

1544
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: Kyrie is out until at least early twenty twenty six,

1545
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis is Andy Davis, Like, what are we

1546
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: even looking at here? What are we talking about here?

1547
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 1: What is Anthony Davis going to be doing? I mean,

1548
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: there was reason why I had that nickname in La,

1549
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: that street closed nickname. Hopefully it's not gonna be the case.

1550
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: Hopefully he's gonna come back and be strong. But I mean,

1551
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: what happened is first night with the MAVs. He looked great.

1552
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 1: For it happening, he was out and you didn't see

1553
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 1: him again. But another thing about Cooper Flag is that

1554
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: he went to the Dallas Mavericks, who had a one

1555
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: point eight percent chance to win the draft lottery following

1556
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: the Luka Doncic trade that sent the Star to LA

1557
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 1: for Anthony Davis and raised many many questions as to

1558
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:41,560
Speaker 1: how exactly that trade happened and what was going on

1559
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: in Dallas and what was the motivation there? Was it

1560
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 1: Luca oriented or was it. Let's get this team to

1561
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 1: Vegas oriented, so we can just kill this team off

1562
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: for now because we want a casino in Dallas, not

1563
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: gonna let us have one. All this stuff, and the

1564
01:22:56,160 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: big villain in all of this was Nico Harrison, general manager,

1565
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 1: who seemed like every time he opened his mouth after

1566
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 1: this took place, after this trade went down, he said

1567
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: something that just made the situation worse and just seemed

1568
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 1: completely wrong for the moment and like he had just

1569
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 1: entirely misread the room. Well, he just continues, this is

1570
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 1: just where we are. So he has this post draft

1571
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,719
Speaker 1: press conference this week. Of course, they drafted Cooper Flag.

1572
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 1: He had a one point eight percent chance to win

1573
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: the draft lottery, but everybody knew whoever won it, they

1574
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 1: won the rights to Cooper Flag. That's the way that

1575
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: it was, and so they didn't even have to do

1576
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 1: too much work at that point. But for whatever reason,

1577
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:53,519
Speaker 1: Nico Harrison just can't He continues to say the thing,

1578
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: they get Cooper Flag. I think we have the audio.

1579
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: Here's here's what Nico Harrison said about the situation Dallas

1580
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 1: found itself in where they ended up with the one pick.

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01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 7: I was extremely surprised.

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01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: All my draft prep up to that point was, you know,

1584
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 1: as being in the eleventh position. So that's just but

1585
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:20,839
Speaker 1: you know, things happen. Fortune favors the Bold. So exciting,

1586
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: exciting things fell our way. Fortune favors the Bold. Does

1587
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: it now? Fortune favors the Bold. Exciting things fell our way.

1588
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: All my draft prep up to that point was us

1589
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: being in the eleventh position. He also said right after that,

1590
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: I've seen the fans react to that. Since we got

1591
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: the number one pick. It feels like they're feeling really

1592
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: good and optimistic about the future. I'm hoping maybe the

1593
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: maybe this apparently he was talking about them being angry

1594
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: at him. He's like, I'm hoping, so I'm hoping maybe

1595
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 1: they'll be a little less angry. Reading an article at

1596
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated, fans are still really upset. When his face

1597
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 1: hit the screen at the American Airlines Center during the

1598
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 1: draft watch party, he was booed vociferously. Now you can

1599
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 1: be excited about Cooper flag, and I think Maths fans

1600
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: are excited about Cooper flag. But that's not gonna get

1601
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: me go off the hook here. Fortune favors the Bold.

1602
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: I just got it wasn't rigged, right, Like we're all

1603
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: in agreement that it wasn't rigged. I'm saying that as

1604
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: somebody who's not in agreement, Like I'm not saying it

1605
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:50,880
Speaker 1: was rigged. I'm saying that you're gonna have a hard

1606
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: time convincing me that it wasn't rigged. And I know

1607
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: there are many that will tell you that this is

1608
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: just absolute trash of an opinion to have, but I

1609
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 1: just got to tell you how I feel about it,

1610
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:08,560
Speaker 1: and it's just when I saw that it was just

1611
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 1: of course they are like Dallas is a big time

1612
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: market in the league, and that team nearly got just

1613
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: killed off, and there's protests happening in the streets, people

1614
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 1: being escorted out of the games for what they're saying

1615
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 1: or signs that they're caring about Nico Harrison, the general manager.

1616
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 1: And this thing just stinks to high Heaven. It happened

1617
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 1: that trade happened while Torres and I, Aaron Torres and

1618
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: I were on the air right here on Fox, and

1619
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 1: we thought it was totally phony. We've got Steve de

1620
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 1: Seger looking into it. He assumes it's probably phony, like

1621
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 1: somebody's hacked shams. Can't be real. It turns out that

1622
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 1: it's real and all this, So Nico Harrison at this moment, Yeah,

1623
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna make them less angry at me. Nah, No,

1624
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,479
Speaker 1: it's really not. Like even if Cooper Flagg goes and

1625
01:26:55,640 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 1: has an incredible career, and he very well might, they're

1626
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 1: still not going to forget what you did. That that's

1627
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: not a thing that's gonna happen. And so I'm just

1628
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: saying fortune favors the bold, like because we made these

1629
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,599
Speaker 1: bold moves, man, fortune shond on us, because fortune favors

1630
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: the bold. Sh quiet. You don't have to say things,

1631
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: Nico you really don't like. I know, you're in a

1632
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,519
Speaker 1: press conference, which maybe that's the thing you should stop doing.

1633
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: But if it's an obligation, it's an obligation, But it

1634
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 1: is not an obligation to say anything more than you

1635
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: have to. All you have to say is, man, we're

1636
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: super excited to get Cooper into building. And if they

1637
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: didn't ask a follow up about do you think this

1638
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 1: is gonna make the fans a little less mad at you?

1639
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: Just I'm not even sure what the answer to that is.

1640
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: You can't just blow it off completely, but you also

1641
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: can't say I hope It makes it a little bit

1642
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: like like like Nico Harrison, Fortune favors the bold because

1643
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 1: Nico did something that most belief was just universally insane

1644
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 1: and almost no one agreed with that was being honest

1645
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: about the situation that that was bold, and somehow he

1646
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: was rewarded by the basketball gods for that. Is that?

1647
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: Is that what we're saying, Nico was that the was

1648
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 1: that the angle that you were taking? How'd that go

1649
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: for you? Man?

1650
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 7: Like?

1651
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 1: What what was the win there? What was what were

1652
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: we trying to say? Just say, hey, man, you know

1653
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: we we had a we had a season of So

1654
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do this in real time. Like what

1655
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: would I say if somebody said this is gonna make

1656
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: people less mad at me? Say, hey, you know, I

1657
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: can't control how people feel about me. My role is

1658
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 1: to do what I think is best for the Mavericks

1659
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 1: organization in the long term. And I'm just excited for

1660
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,800
Speaker 1: the future because I think Cooper Clagg Cooper Flag has

1661
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 1: the goods. I think that he's gonna bring a lot

1662
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 1: of excite and enjoy to this building. I don't know

1663
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 1: that that's like significantly better than what Nico said, but

1664
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 1: it certainly isn't worse because Nico suggested fortune favors the bold,

1665
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 1: like he was bold, Like, no, no, you weren't bold.

1666
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 1: You were dumb, Like you weren't bold, you were or

1667
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 1: at least Okay, So, look, you can believe what Nico Harrison.

1668
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: Let's say everything was on the up and up. There

1669
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 1: was no rigging, there was nothing going on behind the scenes.

1670
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,680
Speaker 1: This trade was totally legitimate, all of that. Okay, So

1671
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:31,639
Speaker 1: all the smoke, there was no fire behind that smoke.

1672
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: Let's just assume that in this hypothetical, because it doesn't

1673
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:38,880
Speaker 1: matter at this point. The trade happened. Okay. I'm not

1674
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: saying that he was dumb in terms of like his

1675
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: own thought process, if we're just saying, okay, he was

1676
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 1: genuine in this, and there were some serious qualms in

1677
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 1: the organization about Luca's work ethic, his way, how dialed

1678
01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: in he would be, his injuries, you know how, he

1679
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: was not keeping himself in shape, all of those things.

1680
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he was dumb for that. I'm saying

1681
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: he was dumb to think that the fans weren't going

1682
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 1: to react the way that they did for him to

1683
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 1: act blindsided or seem surprised. And the only reason I

1684
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 1: can say that I think that was the case is

1685
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: because of the way he spoke after the fact, because

1686
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 1: he clearly did not expect this, because his response to

1687
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:27,599
Speaker 1: it was so just like he was blind. He did

1688
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 1: not see it coming or nowhere near the level that

1689
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: it actually came, which is just mind boggling to me.

1690
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: I would have you would have had to have thought, like,

1691
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:40,759
Speaker 1: did he not see the banners and stuff all through Dallas?

1692
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: So I was in Dallas for a conference about it

1693
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 1: was probably a month month and a half ago, maybe

1694
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 1: a little longer, something like that. And one of the

1695
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,760
Speaker 1: things in the email that they sent us before we

1696
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: got on the airplane to go down there, this was

1697
01:30:55,479 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 1: not a sports conference, by the way, was hey, while

1698
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 1: you're here, don't bring up the Mavericks. It's still a

1699
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: sore subject. And yes, that was half joking, but it

1700
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:10,240
Speaker 1: was also half true. And there were still Luca jerseys

1701
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: down there while it was there, but there was just

1702
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 1: like it was a ghost town and it shouldn't have

1703
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: been not at that point because we were moving into

1704
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 1: the postseason. But the maps had nothing, and we all

1705
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: saw the videos and we saw all that stuff. Nico

1706
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 1: had to know that was coming, but he never reacted

1707
01:31:28,760 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 1: with that. Like I actually think that he could have

1708
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 1: helped himself a little during this entire process after that trade,

1709
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 1: just by saying, hey, you know, I knew this was

1710
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 1: going to be unpopular. Luca was super popular, and he

1711
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 1: did a lot for this team and a lot for

1712
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: this city. We just had to make a decision, and

1713
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: we felt like this was the right one for us

1714
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:51,560
Speaker 1: in the long term. This was a move that we

1715
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 1: felt like could could position us where we wanted to

1716
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: be in the future. Like you were still going to

1717
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 1: take flak, but to be as just kind of arrogant

1718
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 1: but at the same time sound clueless. That was sort

1719
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: of the Nico Harrison thing. I think that's what made

1720
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: it worse when the fans responded the way they did

1721
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: when the signs were out and all this kind of stuff.

1722
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 1: And you had heard a lot of nice things about

1723
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: Nico Harrison from people that had dealt with him. He

1724
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:18,800
Speaker 1: was a pretty nice man, and you know, all this

1725
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and they hated this was happening to him.

1726
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 1: And then of course you read some articles that may

1727
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: have said the opposite about how he was conducting himself,

1728
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 1: and how he sort of siloed off his people from

1729
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: guys that had been there in the past, and even

1730
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: in may have isolated Dirt Novisky from the franchise and

1731
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 1: all this. That's not like any of what we've been

1732
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,599
Speaker 1: talking about inscribing over the last like five six minutes.

1733
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: That's not bold, that's just ignorant. Like that's just not

1734
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:56,680
Speaker 1: good business. Fortune does not favor the stupid. It does

1735
01:32:56,800 --> 01:33:03,439
Speaker 1: not favor the Fortune does not favor the unplanned. It

1736
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 1: doesn't favor like somebody that just falls backwards into something.

1737
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 1: If I go spend my fortune badly, like let's say

1738
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm rich, I go spend my fortune completely badly, and

1739
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:23,680
Speaker 1: I cheat on my wife and all these kinds of things,

1740
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: right like I do everything, I fall into drugs and

1741
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 1: all this other kind of stuff, and then somehow win

1742
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 1: the lottery, and then I say, fortune favors the bold. No,

1743
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: the behavior that I exhibited that was not boldness, that

1744
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: was just like bad. That was just dumb. I would

1745
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 1: call Nico Harrison dumb for not reading the room in advance,

1746
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:53,200
Speaker 1: because everybody knew that would be the reaction. The only

1747
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 1: reason no one said it out loud before the fact

1748
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: is because no one thought Luca Dutchetts was going to

1749
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 1: be traded in the first place. So they get Cooper

1750
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 1: Flagg and his response is fortune favors the bold. No, man,

1751
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: that's not it. That's just not it. Was it a

1752
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: bold move to trade Lukadancic in the way that Jason

1753
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: Bateman sounded and Dodgeball, Yes, it was. It's a bold move, Cotton.

1754
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: Let's see how it works out for But it was

1755
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,560
Speaker 1: not bold, and that like, it wasn't bold, like he

1756
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 1: was taking some kind of a civil rights stand in

1757
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: the fifties or something like that. Like, no, man, that

1758
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: this is not the adjective that I would use to

1759
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 1: describe you. It was not bold. And because you did it,

1760
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 1: and then to say fortune favors the bold, it's almost like, hm,

1761
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 1: really does it? Now? So you made this move and

1762
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden fortune favored you behind closed doors

1763
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 1: when no one could actually watch what was happening in

1764
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:52,720
Speaker 1: the draft lottery. Again, whatever it is that you want

1765
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: to say about what happened and didn't happen when that

1766
01:34:56,560 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 1: draft lottery went down, all I'm going to continue to

1767
01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: say is that you're just not gonna convince me that

1768
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:09,439
Speaker 1: something wasn't right about that one point eight percent with

1769
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: everything that happened in Dallas since February, and they're the

1770
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 1: ones that win the draft lottery, and then when they

1771
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:19,600
Speaker 1: draft Cooper Flag Nico Harrison still manages to say the

1772
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 1: most tone deaf thing that he could say, which is

1773
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 1: fortune favors the bold and maybe this is gonna make

1774
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 1: people dislike me a little bit less. I No one's

1775
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna dislike you less, Nico, for doing the thing that

1776
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:39,840
Speaker 1: literally any of them would have done if they were

1777
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 1: in your shoes with the number one draft pick. That's

1778
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: the other thing before we get to break. Let's not

1779
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,840
Speaker 1: forget that maybe this will make them dislike me a

1780
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: little bit? What because you took Cooper Flag number one?

1781
01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 1: Was there anyone in an NBA job that was not

1782
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: gonna take Cooper Flag number one if they had the opportunity.

1783
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:04,240
Speaker 1: It's not gonna make them like you less because you're

1784
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:07,599
Speaker 1: the general manager of the team the year that Cooper

1785
01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 1: Flagg was the number one draft pick and was available

1786
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 1: to your team. Again, that's a no brainer decision. You

1787
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 1: didn't even have to think that process through. Everyone already

1788
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,840
Speaker 1: knew before the season began at Duke that he was

1789
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:22,479
Speaker 1: going to be the number one pick in the draft.

1790
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 1: So I can't then give you credit and then say

1791
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 1: maybe they'll The only way they'll make them dislike you

1792
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 1: less is they'll think about you less because maybe they'll

1793
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:32,640
Speaker 1: win some more games, and so they won't think of

1794
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: Luka Doncic every two seconds when they're in that building

1795
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 1: every time they think of the MAVs. They won't think

1796
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 1: of what they don't have quite as much. And so

1797
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 1: maybe you'll be a little bit more out of sight,

1798
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 1: out of mind. But I don't think it's gonna make

1799
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 1: them dislike you less. It's just gonna make them think

1800
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: about you less. And I think there's a difference there.

1801
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,280
Speaker 1: I know this sounded harsh, but I just heard that.

1802
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 1: It's just like, really, fortune favors the bold. That's where

1803
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 1: we're going. Not the smartest thing that I heard this week.

1804
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:01,719
Speaker 1: Also not the thing that irritated me the most this week.

1805
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 1: That was said That came from Chasey McGrady. We'll talk

1806
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 1: about that when we come back. I'm Jason Martin In

1807
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: for Chris Plank here on Fox Sports Radio. Hi. This

1808
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:12,519
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1809
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:14,840
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1810
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,040
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1811
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:19,719
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1812
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:22,439
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1813
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,040
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1814
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:26,320
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1815
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:33,679
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1816
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1817
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:38,240
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1819
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1823
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 1: Welter back Chris Plank Show here Fox Sports Radio Live

1824
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 1: in the Fox Sports Radio studios. Chris is out. I'm

1825
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:02,560
Speaker 1: Jason Martin in for him. You can hear me with

1826
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 1: Aaron Torres on Saturday nights. You'll hear me tonight later,

1827
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 1: much later. Hopefully I'm gonna get to sleep. It'll be

1828
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:13,840
Speaker 1: four am my time when I'm off air here. So

1829
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady said something this week was really interesting because

1830
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:19,799
Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady is a really good friend of Kobe Bryant's,

1831
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 1: the late Kobe Bryants. He said really good stuff about

1832
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:26,560
Speaker 1: him in the past and said that it's absolutely ridiculous

1833
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: that Kobe is not considered a top five player of

1834
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 1: all time. I mean, he's got emotional about Kobe in

1835
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 1: the past, like, yes, they were rivals, but they were

1836
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: also great friends, and Tracy had a tremendous amount of

1837
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 1: respect for Kobe, which is why what he said this

1838
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:50,679
Speaker 1: week was so kind of strange. But it was coming

1839
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:56,679
Speaker 1: off the heels of that conversation that Lebron James had

1840
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:00,560
Speaker 1: with Steve Nash on their podcast where he said, I

1841
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 1: don't know why rings are so important.

1842
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 7: Man.

1843
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:04,479
Speaker 1: Of course he's sitting there with Steve Nash, who didn't

1844
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:08,040
Speaker 1: win one. But why is Lebron all of a sudden

1845
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 1: talking about this? Any argument, of course is real easy. Okay, Well,

1846
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 1: if rings are not really that important, don't know why

1847
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:14,880
Speaker 1: your legacy's measured in rings. You're trying to tell me

1848
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 1: that Charles Barkley wasn't an all time great. He's making

1849
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 1: just real straw man arguments, where Charles Barkley himself has said, look,

1850
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 1: I know what was great. I know it was a

1851
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Karl Malone's great. He's a Hall of Famer,

1852
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: but we're in a different wing than Jordan and guys

1853
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: like that that won championships because they understood what championships meant.

1854
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 1: They understood what they were playing for. And I just

1855
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 1: think it was disingenuous from Lebron because I think he

1856
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 1: knows what he's playing for. If he's not, then why

1857
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:41,720
Speaker 1: is he trying to get every great free agent around him?

1858
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: Why is he going to Miami in the first place.

1859
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 1: Why is he coming back to Cleveland to team up

1860
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 1: with Kyrie Irving when it fit the bill. Why are

1861
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 1: they trying to get Anthony Davis out there in La

1862
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 1: all of the things that have happened in Lebron's career,

1863
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: what's he doing if he's not trying to win rings.

1864
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:02,280
Speaker 1: I think it was very transparently Lebron James trying to

1865
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:07,160
Speaker 1: kind of move the goalpost and change the discussion because

1866
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 1: he desperately wants people to think that he was better

1867
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 1: than Michael Jordan. And I used to hate that debate

1868
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: because I always thought, well, I don't think Lebron even

1869
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 1: thinks that.

1870
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 7: Now.

1871
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:19,840
Speaker 1: I actually do still hate the debate, But for him

1872
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 1: to say this, it's just dude, It is about championships.

1873
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 1: It is about all of those things. The only reason

1874
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:29,680
Speaker 1: you would say that now in twenty twenty five is

1875
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,320
Speaker 1: because you don't think you're going to win another one.

1876
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 1: So you need to come up with other metrics. Because

1877
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 1: you're too thin skinned to let other people define your legacy.

1878
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 1: You're going to find a way to sort of kind

1879
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 1: of cast yourself in the best possible light. We already

1880
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:47,120
Speaker 1: know you're great, man, but this is just a bad look.

1881
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 1: It was a horrible look for him. But the ring

1882
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 1: culture debate then sparked larger conversations, and Tracy McGrady got

1883
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:57,400
Speaker 1: caught up in one on television this week. I think

1884
01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 1: Gilbert I Renez might have been a part of this

1885
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:02,640
Speaker 1: conversation as well, and they were talking about Kobe and

1886
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 1: again t mag being the big time Kobe fan that

1887
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 1: he has been throughout his career. I was pretty surprised

1888
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 1: by what he said because Tracy has always kind of

1889
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 1: intimated how great he was meaning him. Tracy and I

1890
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 1: think that he's felt disrespected at times because he didn't

1891
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 1: win championships. So we're getting right back into this ring

1892
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:28,320
Speaker 1: culture debate. So this is what happens. So what does

1893
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:34,799
Speaker 1: he say? About Kobe. He says, replace me with Kobe

1894
01:41:35,320 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 1: with Shaq. You don't think I can carry the Lakers

1895
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 1: to a championship. You don't think I can win a championship.

1896
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 1: That does not sound like Kobe Brant is one of

1897
01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:47,639
Speaker 1: the top five players in NBA history, unless he's also

1898
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:49,759
Speaker 1: saying that he is one of the top five players

1899
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:54,200
Speaker 1: in NBA history. So why is he saying this? First off,

1900
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:56,559
Speaker 1: replace me with Kobe with Shaq? This is the quote,

1901
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 1: replace me with Kobe with Shack. You don't think I

1902
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,360
Speaker 1: can carry the Lakers to a championship. And he said

1903
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 1: more than that, but that's kind of the money quote

1904
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 1: in this discussion. And before going into this, he said,

1905
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 1: what defines greatness? Is it the championship? He says, for me,

1906
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:16,720
Speaker 1: we have too many talented players that come to this

1907
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: league that are championship worthy. Replace me with Kobe with Shack,

1908
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't win a championship. You don't think I can

1909
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 1: carry the Lakers to a championship like I've never had

1910
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 1: the opportunity, he said. So there's certainly some bitterness about

1911
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:34,719
Speaker 1: the chances that he did not have. He played in Orlando,

1912
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:39,280
Speaker 1: he played in Toronto first, and he played in Houston,

1913
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:44,160
Speaker 1: and he was the top guy in pretty much every

1914
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,360
Speaker 1: one of those scenarios because he was really good. We

1915
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:53,679
Speaker 1: know this, and his game was tremendous. Do I think

1916
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 1: that if you put Tracy McGrady with Shack that they

1917
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: win championships. I don't know. Oh, I would tend to

1918
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,519
Speaker 1: say no, because I think there's more to it than

1919
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 1: being a great basketball player. There are a lot of

1920
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:12,680
Speaker 1: great players that are missing that one thing that some

1921
01:43:12,920 --> 01:43:16,720
Speaker 1: of the guys have had. And yeah, sometimes talent can

1922
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:20,759
Speaker 1: carry you a long way. But the thing about Kobe

1923
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:24,439
Speaker 1: that made him so special to me was that killer instinct.

1924
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:28,519
Speaker 1: It was that do or die a competitor on the floor,

1925
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,200
Speaker 1: sometimes to a fault. The guy that wouldn't let you know,

1926
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:35,760
Speaker 1: a kid beat him in a basketball camp scenario or

1927
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:37,680
Speaker 1: even get a point on him, and was kind of

1928
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,280
Speaker 1: trash talking the kid in front of his parents and stuff.

1929
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 1: That was a funny story. Kobe cared a lot. He

1930
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:47,800
Speaker 1: was wired in one way, and of course, as he

1931
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 1: became more of an elder statesman in the years right

1932
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 1: before he passed tragically, you know, he was doing a

1933
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 1: lot of things for basketball and he was kind of

1934
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:58,479
Speaker 1: given back it felt like, but he was also being

1935
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:03,519
Speaker 1: very matter of fact about what he thought was lacking

1936
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 1: when it came to competitiveness because he was an ultimate competitor.

1937
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:09,640
Speaker 1: And so with Shack, by the way, is why they

1938
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 1: were so dominant, because they cared a lot, and yes,

1939
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 1: they had the talent to back it up. You can't

1940
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 1: just care and win a championship. But you have to

1941
01:44:17,479 --> 01:44:20,600
Speaker 1: be able to care plus your talent or you're not

1942
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,759
Speaker 1: going to achieve what you would have achieved. That's almost

1943
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: always going to be true. I think Tom Brady wasn't

1944
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:30,799
Speaker 1: the most talented quarterback to ever play, but his mindset

1945
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 1: was different than just about anybody that's ever played, and

1946
01:44:34,280 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 1: he did have a lot of talent to go along

1947
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 1: with that. You have to have some in both categories,

1948
01:44:39,320 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 1: and that's where we get to it. It's like, I'm

1949
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 1: not gonna like go into deep analysis about whether or

1950
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: not Tracy McGrady would have won a championship with Shaq.

1951
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:53,600
Speaker 1: I will say that in the opportunities that Tracy didn't have,

1952
01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, he didn't play with a Shack, there's no

1953
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 1: no doubt, right. I Mean, he played with Vince Carter

1954
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 1: for a little bit in Toronto, that was a different time,

1955
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 1: that was early in their careers and at that point

1956
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:09,280
Speaker 1: it was the Vins Show, right. But Tracy obviously carved

1957
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:11,519
Speaker 1: out a great career for himself, and no question about it,

1958
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:13,519
Speaker 1: this is not about his bona fides as a player.

1959
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:17,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of competitor Tracy McGrady was.

1960
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:22,640
Speaker 1: That's not something about him that stands out. It's not

1961
01:45:22,760 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 1: something that I think about when I think about Tracy McGrady.

1962
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,920
Speaker 1: I don't. It's not that I don't think he was

1963
01:45:28,960 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 1: a competitor. It's just I have no idea. He was

1964
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 1: a basketball player, made a lot of money and made

1965
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 1: a lot of shots and played hard. He did like

1966
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 1: I mean, he was at times he was a walking mismatch.

1967
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 1: I think I saw in one one article about him

1968
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:46,200
Speaker 1: at Yahoo, and he was and he was just like

1969
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 1: he was smooth as silk like he did. He did

1970
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:51,840
Speaker 1: a He was great to watch, there's no question. But

1971
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 1: did he have that it factor that you can't teach,

1972
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 1: that it factor that's just in your heart where you

1973
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:03,479
Speaker 1: just truly, truly care about every dribble and everything that's

1974
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:07,120
Speaker 1: going on. And this again is happening around this ring

1975
01:46:07,240 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 1: culture thing where it seems like we have guys that

1976
01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:13,439
Speaker 1: are trying to say that they are awesome even though

1977
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 1: they didn't win championships, when no one ever said they weren't.

1978
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 1: Like we all know, Tracy McGrady was a great player,

1979
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 1: but it's very clear that he is walking around with

1980
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder because he thinks he's not

1981
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:29,320
Speaker 1: seen what he would have been at that point. He said.

1982
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 1: This is what he said as well. He said, I

1983
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 1: felt like if I was put in that position to

1984
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 1: win a championship, I sure would have shown up and

1985
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 1: done what I do in the playoffs to elevate my

1986
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: team to that level. I just never had the chance

1987
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,599
Speaker 1: to do. So I get diminished because I never won

1988
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:48,120
Speaker 1: a championship. My fault. I was never put in that position.

1989
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:52,519
Speaker 1: This is the Lebron said. This is the Lebron argument

1990
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:56,439
Speaker 1: being made by somebody because Barkley actually makes the opposite point.

1991
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 1: Barkley saying we're in a different wing of the hall

1992
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:04,920
Speaker 1: because we didn't win championships, and here is McGrady saying, no,

1993
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 1: I was great. I was great, and yeah I didn't

1994
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:10,240
Speaker 1: win rings, but I didn't have Shaq next to me.

1995
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 1: If you would have given me shack outa won championships.

1996
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he knew this, and I don't necessarily

1997
01:47:14,640 --> 01:47:17,240
Speaker 1: even think he intended this, because again, he and Kobe

1998
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:20,080
Speaker 1: were great friends. That's kind of a slight on Kobe,

1999
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:24,840
Speaker 1: and I think Gilbert Arenas in that same conversation, or

2000
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: at least in his podcast in the last week, intimated

2001
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:30,759
Speaker 1: that Kobe at the time he was playing with Shaq,

2002
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 1: was being seen as the next Pippin, and I don't

2003
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: think that was true either. I'm not saying that people

2004
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 1: didn't see Shaq as the one option for a season

2005
01:47:40,120 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 1: or two there, like he was the most dominant player

2006
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:43,719
Speaker 1: in the league, because I mean, I had his size

2007
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 1: and everything he was able to do. He was in

2008
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:49,200
Speaker 1: the prime of his career. Early after that trade from Orlando,

2009
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:52,439
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody looked at Kobe and said, man,

2010
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 1: that's Scotty Pippen right there. He's a running buddy. Like, No,

2011
01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:58,320
Speaker 1: we didn't see him as a Robin. Everything about his game,

2012
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 1: which of course became me been more clear later when

2013
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 1: he started to emulate him, even started to look like

2014
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:06,920
Speaker 1: him in a lot of ways. We always saw Kobe

2015
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,760
Speaker 1: and thought he was Jordan. So now we're saying kind

2016
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 1: of odd things about Kobe Bryant, and we're also talking

2017
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:20,559
Speaker 1: about Rings being kind of overrated. H Yeah. I think

2018
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: this is all about making sure that Lebron is viewed

2019
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:25,479
Speaker 1: the way Lebron wants to be viewed and how rich

2020
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 1: Paul wants it viewed when he's done. I don't think

2021
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 1: that they like paid Tea back to say anything. I

2022
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:35,400
Speaker 1: think t Mac, I think t Mac really did. I

2023
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 1: think it raised his ire. I think that this whole

2024
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:39,320
Speaker 1: thing is just kind of like, I want people to

2025
01:48:39,400 --> 01:48:43,719
Speaker 1: know how good I was, and a lot of us do, Tracy,

2026
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:49,240
Speaker 1: But I think you took a you accidentally kind of

2027
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:52,760
Speaker 1: took a shot at your guy, this guy that you

2028
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 1: said you think it's insane that he's not seen as

2029
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:57,680
Speaker 1: a top five player in the league. I think in

2030
01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 1: that as you can, and I got emotional and started

2031
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:07,720
Speaker 1: talking about yourself, which I can understand, you accidentally threw

2032
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:12,240
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant kind of down a notch because you said

2033
01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:13,760
Speaker 1: if I'd have been with him, I'd have done everything

2034
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 1: I could to win a championship too, And I guess

2035
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 1: that's like, no, I was competitive, I just didn't have

2036
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 1: a team around me that could win and hey Man

2037
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:26,000
Speaker 1: points for honesty right like that, If he truly believed that,

2038
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,040
Speaker 1: there's no reason for him not saying I don't need

2039
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:29,840
Speaker 1: him to hold that back. He doesn't have to be

2040
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,720
Speaker 1: tactful at this point. He was in a conversation where

2041
01:49:32,760 --> 01:49:36,639
Speaker 1: he needed to give his insight and his perspective based

2042
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:40,040
Speaker 1: on his experience as a player in the NBA. I

2043
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:43,240
Speaker 1: just bet and maybe no one's even told him this,

2044
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 1: or he didn't even think it through. But I don't

2045
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 1: think that he meant to slight Kobe. But he slighted Kobe.

2046
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:54,960
Speaker 1: He was saying he could have done the exact same

2047
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 1: thing that Kobe had done if he had had a

2048
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,640
Speaker 1: shack next to him, if you had taken Kobe and

2049
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:01,600
Speaker 1: put Hi where Chrasey McGrady would. The one thing he

2050
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 1: didn't say was if Kobe had been where I was

2051
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,479
Speaker 1: and I was where he was, Kobe would be the

2052
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 1: one that you'd be questioning because he wouldn't have a championship.

2053
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 1: He did not say that, but he kind of means

2054
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 1: that in its own way, because he's kind of saying

2055
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,720
Speaker 1: I was just as good as Kobe. I just never

2056
01:50:20,760 --> 01:50:24,080
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to show it. Maybe not a and

2057
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:26,639
Speaker 1: certainly it's an opinion that he can hold about himself.

2058
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:30,320
Speaker 1: Not sure that's the best look. Also, don't know again

2059
01:50:30,479 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 1: if that was I don't think that he intended it

2060
01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:35,640
Speaker 1: to be what it turned out to be. But this

2061
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,599
Speaker 1: discussion is getting worse and worse. But still it's Lebron

2062
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 1: that's irritating about it. Him saying rings don't matter. After

2063
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:45,679
Speaker 1: he's on tape a couple of years ago talking about

2064
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:51,439
Speaker 1: winning a championship in Cleveland and suggesting this is not me,

2065
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:55,240
Speaker 1: this is him. You can find this on YouTube. I'm

2066
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 1: not sure if it was like the barbershop or the

2067
01:50:57,240 --> 01:50:58,920
Speaker 1: thing that he was doing there, or if it was

2068
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: some other deal, but you can find the clip. He

2069
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,439
Speaker 1: was saying that he went back and he watched tape

2070
01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 1: or after they won the championship in Cleveland. He was

2071
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 1: watching it during the summer. He was sitting down, he

2072
01:51:10,200 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 1: was thinking about it, and he realized, He's like, man,

2073
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 1: you know, in that moment, I realized I was the

2074
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 1: best basketball player ever, I was the best player to

2075
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:23,600
Speaker 1: ever live. That I could do that in Cleveland, that

2076
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:27,200
Speaker 1: was special. All this like, dude, what when a championship

2077
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:31,240
Speaker 1: which is overrated? When a ring that's overrated. This is

2078
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:33,840
Speaker 1: like two years ago he said this, and now he's saying,

2079
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't know why rings are so important, man, like

2080
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 1: all these guys aren't great and all this. Like, dude,

2081
01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:40,640
Speaker 1: I hate to tell you this, and we're not going

2082
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 1: to get into the debate because I don't think it's

2083
01:51:42,360 --> 01:51:44,599
Speaker 1: a fair debate. I think that one of the interesting

2084
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:46,640
Speaker 1: things about this stuff coming out of a Kobe right

2085
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 1: now is that I do think there's a debate between

2086
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:51,920
Speaker 1: Lebron and Kobe. I do not believe in any way,

2087
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:54,080
Speaker 1: shape or form that you can actually have an honest

2088
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 1: debate about Michael Jordan and Lebron James. I don't. I

2089
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:01,760
Speaker 1: don't listen to that second part of the argument, so

2090
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 1: because I think Jordan's in a completely different tier than

2091
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:08,639
Speaker 1: everybody else. But I think that you could talk about

2092
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: Kobe and Lebron. And I think Lebron right now is

2093
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:13,200
Speaker 1: trying to cement his legacy at the very least as

2094
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 1: number two, which I think is fair. I just don't

2095
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:19,599
Speaker 1: think he's one, but he tried to kind of get there,

2096
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 1: and now he's also trying to diminish the importance of rings.

2097
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:26,040
Speaker 1: Why because that dude that's above him in most people's lists.

2098
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 1: The vast majority of people's list has more of those

2099
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:32,680
Speaker 1: rings than he does, and more finals MVPs than he does,

2100
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:35,599
Speaker 1: and is widely considered that that's one of the biggest

2101
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:38,719
Speaker 1: reasons for his greatness is because of the championship success

2102
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:40,960
Speaker 1: that he had. So if we can just knock that

2103
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:44,320
Speaker 1: down just enough to where we can try to point

2104
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 1: to other things being a part of how great a

2105
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 1: player you actually are, then maybe we can change this

2106
01:52:52,160 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 1: narrative and get a few more people on our side.

2107
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:58,320
Speaker 1: But it's meaningless anyway. They're both outstanding players. It just

2108
01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:02,400
Speaker 1: reveals to me again, doesn't matter if you're Lebron James

2109
01:53:02,680 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 1: or Bronny James or anybody else, there's always somebody you're

2110
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:09,400
Speaker 1: looking up at and comparing yourself to. This is a

2111
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:11,720
Speaker 1: great quote, it really is. It's not mine, but it's

2112
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:15,200
Speaker 1: one to live by. Comparison is the thief of joy.

2113
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:19,559
Speaker 1: Be content in your own skin, Lebron, You're awesome. That's

2114
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:22,640
Speaker 1: gotta be good enough. It sure should be. We'll be

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Speaker 1: for Chris Plant. Chris be back next week. Congrats to

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Speaker 1: his thunder, and congrats to my thunder. I had to

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Speaker 1: get a Fanatics tea shirt. Maybe he was in the building.

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Speaker 1: Somebody said, why aren't you gonna go down there? I'm like,

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Speaker 1: because that's I've got two kids and it's Oklahoma it's

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Speaker 1: a bit of a drive. Can't just up and going.

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Speaker 1: Things change. One thing that doesn't change is me hosting

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Torres. I'll be doing that as I usually

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Speaker 1: do tonight on many of these same Fox Sports radio stations.

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Speaker 1: To stick around for that. We've talked about Cooper Flagg

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Speaker 1: seventeen different ways during the show. One thing we haven't

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Speaker 1: talked about is what he said. He said a lot

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Speaker 1: of really good stuff, like seems to have a good

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Speaker 1: head on his shoulders, and from what every report has

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Speaker 1: been pretty much throughout, even back in high school and

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Speaker 1: everything else, he didn't carry himself arrogantly. He carried himself

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Speaker 1: confidently because he was great. But teammates loved being around him,

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Speaker 1: adults love being around him. He just seemed to get it,

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Speaker 1: understand it. And so he talked about not being the

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Speaker 1: A option right on this team because you've already got

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving probably a Hall of Famer and Anthony Davis

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Speaker 1: probably a Hall of Famer. I say probably, but both

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Speaker 1: those guys will be in a Hall of Fame, I think,

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Speaker 1: and so even some solid veteran role players on that

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Speaker 1: team as well. And he said it was a blessing

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Speaker 1: to be able to come into that situation and not

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Speaker 1: be the top option in year one and look for

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Speaker 1: whatever is being said about Cooper Flagg right now, which

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Speaker 1: I think is a little much, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's going to help him any I think I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a really good player. I don't see

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Speaker 1: him being a bust or anything like that. But just

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Speaker 1: saying that they're going to compete for the West this year.

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Speaker 1: I've now mentioned twice during the course of this show

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Speaker 1: and leth these segments that I just find it disingenuous

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Speaker 1: and I think it's just you're just setting him up

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Speaker 1: to underperform so that you can say, do we over

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Speaker 1: hype Cooper Flag? But he staid it would be a blessing,

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking, yeah, I mean, that's a really

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Speaker 1: mature perspective to have to think that. And it's also

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Speaker 1: kind of it's showing kind of a humility walking into

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Speaker 1: that situation, not acting like you're big man on campus.

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Speaker 1: You know there's other talent there, and saying that you're

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Speaker 1: gonna called himself a sponge. He wants to soak up everything.

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Speaker 1: Jason Kidd said he likes it, wants to put him

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Speaker 1: at point guard, see how how he can handle some

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Speaker 1: quick situations and all this kind of stuff, and there's

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Speaker 1: still gonna be a learning curve, there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: process and all this, which is why I think that

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Speaker 1: Western Conference Contenders thing is crazy and unnecessary. But here's

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Speaker 1: my other thought about what he said about it's just

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Speaker 1: a blessing not to be seen as the top option.

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Speaker 1: So you can believe that it can be true, But

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Speaker 1: have you informed the media that that's how they need

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Speaker 1: to see it. Have you told the us of this

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Speaker 1: world that that's how they need to see it? Because

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Speaker 1: what I don't buy is an argument that you're not

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Speaker 1: going to be talked about like you're the star of

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Speaker 1: that team. With Kyrie electing to stay around but not

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Speaker 1: being there until early twenty six, and with Anthony Davis

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Speaker 1: coming back off the injury. I mean, he's a great player,

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Speaker 1: we know this, but he's also he's probably going to

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Speaker 1: miss some time during the course of the season. We'll

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Speaker 1: just say that nicely. Hopefully not but probably he will.

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Speaker 1: But even if even if those things weren't sure, even

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Speaker 1: if those two guys were on the floor, do we

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Speaker 1: really think the way that Cooper Flagg has been talked about,

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Speaker 1: I would say easily the most talked about prospect entering

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Speaker 1: the league since Zion Williamson, and one of probably the

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Speaker 1: top five ish overall right in the in this century.

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Speaker 1: Maybe in the draft, you're telling me that the media

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Speaker 1: is actually going to cover him as if he's not

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Speaker 1: the number one option, that they're not going to view

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Speaker 1: him like, well, he should be scoring thirty a night,

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Speaker 1: when that might not be his game at all. His

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Speaker 1: game might be much more well round. In fact, it

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Speaker 1: is like he plays on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 1: He's a good passer, he's a good rebounder. He yes,

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Speaker 1: he can score, but he's not a guy I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a forty point scorer or even

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Speaker 1: like a thirty five point scorer on a consistent basis.

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Speaker 1: He's not Luca in that way. He's going to be

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Speaker 1: a completely different player, and they're going to be a

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Speaker 1: different team and how they approach. They're going to play

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Speaker 1: better on the defensive side of the balls, no question

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Speaker 1: about that, and we'll see how they share the ball

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Speaker 1: and all that kind. But if his numbers, let's say

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Speaker 1: he goes out there in year one and he still

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Speaker 1: has a pretty good year. But he has, like you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, he averages eighteen and eight or something

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Speaker 1: like that, Like is not going to be talked about like, well,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't going to be the one option this year

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Speaker 1: or so everything's fine, no way. So what he's saying

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Speaker 1: is right. And I'm reading these articles on these websites

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Speaker 1: that are covering it, and they're saying, yeah, he's saying,

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Speaker 1: it's a blessing not to be the one pick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: make sure you tell all your television personalities, make sure

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Speaker 1: you tell all your radio personalities. Make make sure you

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Speaker 1: tell all the hot take artists. Make sure you tell

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Speaker 1: them that that's how he views it. Make sure that

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Speaker 1: that's actually it's how it's perceived. Don't treat him like

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Speaker 1: he's the one option because he's saying it's a blessing

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Speaker 1: for him not to be. And I think that he's

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Speaker 1: probably right about what he's saying, and it's certainly the

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Speaker 1: smart thing to say. But I don't think that he's

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Speaker 1: going to be covered as if he's not the one option.

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a significant difference between those two things,

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Speaker 1: and that could be a problem for him. Again, I

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Speaker 1: am hopeful that I'm wrong about how this is going

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Speaker 1: to be seen, but the fact that we're already talking

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Speaker 1: about how the MAVs should be in the mix for

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Speaker 1: the Western Conference championship next year tells me that media

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Speaker 1: is still going to media. Man. I appreciate Chris Plank

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Speaker 1: having me in. I'll be with Aaron Torres tonight. Coming

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Speaker 1: up next to guys I know, very very well talented guys.

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Speaker 1: Stick around. Jason fitz buck Rising coming up next. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: your Saturday