Speaker 1: Look mad, oh, I see you? Why why and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness? Lost culture?
Speaker 1: Race calling? We look at today? I'm sorry what you're
Speaker 1: being generous? I think you're saying that as a way
Speaker 1: of saying that you look good. No. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: I'm not denying it. I mean, look, look what's Look
Speaker 1: what's front of me? I think I look good. I
Speaker 1: sort of put together my look, and I think you
Speaker 1: look good. I think you look at stud I think
Speaker 1: like your Nicholas is working for me. I'm wearing my
Speaker 1: T shirt and and and that's it. I don't know
Speaker 1: what your final list. It's fine. Can you just take
Speaker 1: the compliment? Wow? I actually won't take the compliment because
Speaker 1: I'm suspicious that you're only complimenting me in the we
Speaker 1: sort of conjugation of this, because you want to compliment
Speaker 1: yourself and say that you look at what you do.
Speaker 1: I just don't need to examine that. That's a whole
Speaker 1: therapy that I'm not qualified to go into. You know,
Speaker 1: I did look at the therapists this week. You'd be
Speaker 1: proud of me. Are you ready to make the jump
Speaker 1: from from from therapizing myself to having someone with a
Speaker 1: degree to it. Yes, it's time. Now what are you
Speaker 1: looking into? You want to go? You're gonna go in
Speaker 1: person again? You want to well, I'm just want I
Speaker 1: just want an in person session, you know what I mean? Like, like,
Speaker 1: for example, are you caught up on maravist Town. I haven't.
Speaker 1: I still have not seen an episode, and I'm so
Speaker 1: I know I'm really the well the way you were
Speaker 1: able to perform that stunning sketch written by Sudie Green
Speaker 1: on this that week's episode of SNL about that was
Speaker 1: sort of based in the world of Marimiest Town, wouldn't
Speaker 1: we say? It was as if you've seen every episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, you were so stunning. That delC accent you
Speaker 1: did that was so good dal Co, Dalco, Pittsburgh Delco.
Speaker 1: I gotta go home and make dinner for my two
Speaker 1: daughters and son, and I'm picking up the Hagie from
Speaker 1: Walwa and you gotta get to coffe from Wawa for
Speaker 1: my daughters. From my daughters. My daughters they like the coffee,
Speaker 1: the coffee and the Hagie from the like from Wawa.
Speaker 1: Guess what I saw Hunter Biden at the at the
Speaker 1: at the local popular Bobby. I don't even do they
Speaker 1: have hobby lobby in Pennsylvania or Delaware. No, I don't
Speaker 1: know what they have outside of wah Wah. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's it's been such a husband has really taken
Speaker 1: the world stage, hasn't it. It really has stormed the
Speaker 1: ball WAW. I just want to make sure that people
Speaker 1: understand that Wabba is not just some like location punchline.
Speaker 1: It is the way of life. It is a respectable
Speaker 1: establishment that actually makes great food. I mean, we need more,
Speaker 1: I think, and there's a hole in the market for
Speaker 1: for places like wah Wah across the country, like between
Speaker 1: a seven eleven and like you know, let's say uh right,
Speaker 1: so it's sort of meeting in the middle there. It's
Speaker 1: what Andrew Yang would call bodega, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: what the absolute fool would call a bodega. That's that's
Speaker 1: good anyway. So I'm gonna flow ay from that one,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to weigh in because that'd be
Speaker 1: bad for you. But um, let's just talk for a second.
Speaker 1: I want to tell you I TV is being my
Speaker 1: therapy right now between Marave's Town and Girls five EVA
Speaker 1: and The Circle and talk about let's wrap up the circle. Wow,
Speaker 1: what a moment, What a moment. Our Winner one, Our
Speaker 1: Winner one de Lisa, she took the crown best catfish
Speaker 1: in the damn business. Found out today she found out
Speaker 1: she was pregnant while she was in the circle. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. And she still played that game. Imagine that.
Speaker 1: Imagine that for a second. Imagine that. You got the
Speaker 1: fact that you're pregnant sitting right here. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: got the game sort of swirling around, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. She's and then she's still catfishing as a man,
Speaker 1: still convincingly catfishing as a man. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as gender. Name Name another legend,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna say. Name another legend besides Lisa.
Speaker 1: You can't. I'm waiting for hours. No one can. Ron's
Speaker 1: back house back. I'm thrilled we have Evany k. Williams
Speaker 1: talking in her first scene, talking about at how should
Speaker 1: takes ships on dates. I'm in. I'm not sold on
Speaker 1: ebony just yet. I don't know why. That's why. There's
Speaker 1: no reason, is your bitch? Maybe I need to research
Speaker 1: more before I see I decided not to research, mama.
Speaker 1: Let's research. I mean, but she's she's a Fox News
Speaker 1: gall though, No, Queen, I'm sure she's made appearances on
Speaker 1: Fox News. That doesn't First of all, just because you
Speaker 1: go on Fox News doesn't make you I understand. She's
Speaker 1: not personded on growd Up by any means. I just
Speaker 1: think there I am getting a little bit of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the politics are there, But why
Speaker 1: do I care? I should actually not? It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: well because they're mostly bad on Ronny. All of the
Speaker 1: New York Housewives are are are beyond beyond help at
Speaker 1: this point politically, But why should I care? As a viewer?
Speaker 1: They have to be beyond help though, because that's what
Speaker 1: makes them so watchable, the fact that they are so
Speaker 1: beyond help as a group. We love that. I hold
Speaker 1: no one to any standard when it comes to their
Speaker 1: their politics, especially when they're on television. But I just
Speaker 1: I need to know more about Ebony. I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like her. Buy episode three. I'm sure I like her.
Speaker 1: She sold me, although you know it doesn't take much.
Speaker 1: She really she kind of came in there real hot
Speaker 1: and I liked it. What do we think of Leah's
Speaker 1: conversion to Judaism? I think I don't know. We'll we'll
Speaker 1: have to check back in on that one. She's cook
Speaker 1: to me, she's cock to me. She's to me now
Speaker 1: to convert to judaism as a response to your ass
Speaker 1: to your sobriety, you know, problems is suspect. It feels
Speaker 1: like she might need to join me and logging onto
Speaker 1: you know, therapy dot com or whatever the fun therapy
Speaker 1: dot com, therapy dot com where the therapy bizarre sort
Speaker 1: of just for therapy dot com to think about as
Speaker 1: a jingle, here's someone we have someone with us this
Speaker 1: week who I mean has has has really therapized the
Speaker 1: community for for years. At this point, when you say
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say that I became better as
Speaker 1: a result of the therapy that was getting to know
Speaker 1: our guests through her performances and you know, just appearances
Speaker 1: throughout time. Can I tell you I actually guest does
Speaker 1: not know this. I recently went to Drag and drive,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and the guest was the host in
Speaker 1: l amazing and it was a fucking blast. It was
Speaker 1: so fun to see live drag again. You don't realize
Speaker 1: how much she missed it until and then you and
Speaker 1: I did. You and I go to um the season's
Speaker 1: seven finale party in New York, where our guests hosted
Speaker 1: the event. Yes we did, Okay, Yes, and so fucking
Speaker 1: Violet to her aerial silks right in front of us.
Speaker 1: And it was the same day that Caitlyn Jenner came
Speaker 1: out with her cover right, and it was it was
Speaker 1: June of I don't know, I wasn't only think I
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking of Caitlyn Jenner that day. I was. I
Speaker 1: was thinking Caitlyn Jenner that day and our end it
Speaker 1: was truly a moment. And then to be able to
Speaker 1: go to the show and then how and then here
Speaker 1: our guests take on it, which I think was truly
Speaker 1: like the best take. She was like, she's still a
Speaker 1: shitty person. Was still the gist of what our guest
Speaker 1: was saying. She's remained a shitty person to this day
Speaker 1: and now she might be become the shitty governor of California,
Speaker 1: which I'd like to revisit my I don't think so,
Speaker 1: honey for my leave two weeks ago and say no,
Speaker 1: absolutely fucking not, absolutely, we're gonna need another We're gonna
Speaker 1: need Insurrection part two if she takes the fucking house
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there. I'm taking it out. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be there, queen. And let's just say that was just
Speaker 1: for for the for the truly stupid out there. This
Speaker 1: queen was the winner of Drag Race Seasan six. A
Speaker 1: stand up comedian legend Joan Rivers, gave her blessing. I
Speaker 1: mean from the get go, and then I'm sure we're
Speaker 1: going to hear about Joan and the culture. And I
Speaker 1: had so much fun. I had such a great time
Speaker 1: acting alongside her. And this upcoming Audible original Hot White
Speaker 1: Heist coming out in June. Do you perform an act?
Speaker 1: I'm performing? What are you? You're here and there? You know? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: be performing a little bit now, you know? Um. But
Speaker 1: now they host the podcast, the Bianca del Rio Podcast,
Speaker 1: which is probably the name of the year. I mean
Speaker 1: to it, let's you know exactly what you're going to get.
Speaker 1: You know what you're getting. Well, she's a legend and weighted,
Speaker 1: she's here, a legend. You can't. I'm waiting. I'm waiting everyone.
Speaker 1: Welcome to you. Two are fools. I am caculate flaw
Speaker 1: and we learned from the best. What are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well, but you know, I recently have this
Speaker 1: whole conversation about the word legend, and it's because of
Speaker 1: this whole drag Race world franchises and everybody's called the legend,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, they've done nothing. If you haven't done
Speaker 1: a fucking thing, come a black legend legend. You know
Speaker 1: what it was because I had just watched that Tina
Speaker 1: Turner documentary and I went to where and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is amazing, and I was ready to type, you know,
Speaker 1: she's a legend, but I'm like, that works not even
Speaker 1: good enough anymore because I passed around to these two
Speaker 1: bits second rate drag queens from a fucking reality show,
Speaker 1: and You're like, you know, she she deserves this fucking word.
Speaker 1: Share is a legend. Madonna is a legend. Barber not
Speaker 1: cunt that did drag? Right, Yeah, I know That's where
Speaker 1: I'm at. And then it's like it's like you can't
Speaker 1: even bump it down to icon because that one's been
Speaker 1: that one's been over used. You do you do you
Speaker 1: accept the title when we know on you because I'll
Speaker 1: look at it. No, No, No, I think I think
Speaker 1: that's just it's I'm old. Yeah, that I've been around.
Speaker 1: But you know, in in gay life, it's like I'm
Speaker 1: just grateful to get to work, you know, that's that's whole,
Speaker 1: my whole thing. So in the end, it's like, no,
Speaker 1: you're not at that status yet, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I mean you are the best in the biz. I
Speaker 1: was saying, like, we went to the Dragon Driver and
Speaker 1: I was a little unclear on who was performing. It
Speaker 1: was like, I got tickets and I went. I went,
Speaker 1: and I was like so excited it was you. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I feel safe. Well, I
Speaker 1: was excited to get out of my house. So I
Speaker 1: don't normally do the foss event shows. I used to
Speaker 1: work with Brandon Boss who handles all that years ago,
Speaker 1: and then he was doing driving drag and he said
Speaker 1: he's got his group of girls that he always uses,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, we've been using the same girls.
Speaker 1: Would you mind coming in for a couple of dates?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I need to get out of
Speaker 1: my house. Sure, why not? So I went and it
Speaker 1: was weird because you know, I was excited to go
Speaker 1: out to do something. I wasn't so excited to be
Speaker 1: around other drag queens. But when you go It's like
Speaker 1: I forgot that I'm going to be in a parking
Speaker 1: lot most of the city's and people are going to
Speaker 1: be in vehicles, and I'm just standing on this little
Speaker 1: platform stage that was built by Lesbian and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, last year I was in Carnegie Hall. This
Speaker 1: is where I am napped. This is what I is.
Speaker 1: I'm done bit. Yeah, yard gigs, fucking yard gigs, That's
Speaker 1: what I was doing. But it was good. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was fun to get to do it. It It was
Speaker 1: fun to get out again. Weird having cars and stuff,
Speaker 1: but you know, you're just it's like anal you just
Speaker 1: adjust once you realize it could be way worse. Trust me,
Speaker 1: you should have seen some of those counts I was
Speaker 1: with backstage. Trust me, I'm like, I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm good. Life is good. That was a good group, though,
Speaker 1: I'm you know who was there there? Well, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know who was fucking incredible? Plastic. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Plastic is like she's also stunning, Yes she is, and
Speaker 1: she's rotted like she's got a great sense of humor,
Speaker 1: like I didn't expect because I didn't know her before.
Speaker 1: So I saw her picture, you know, through Instagram and everything,
Speaker 1: and everybody assumes since we all did drag Race, that
Speaker 1: we all know each other. So I'm looking at her
Speaker 1: pictures going I don't like her, and then I meet
Speaker 1: her and we're cackling, having a good time, And because
Speaker 1: she is that stunning in person, I just decided to
Speaker 1: call her my twin, just because there's nothing better than
Speaker 1: when somebody's pretty to have somebody ugly go hey twin.
Speaker 1: That's what I was doing the whole time with her,
Speaker 1: much to her dismay, but yeah, she's beautiful in person.
Speaker 1: Such a good time now me, Smalls's fun. I had
Speaker 1: a great till um. Yeah, it was fun just to
Speaker 1: get back out there again, you know. Yeah, yeah that
Speaker 1: was really good. Asia was so good. I will say
Speaker 1: Cameron Michaels came out first and was in like she
Speaker 1: Hulk makeup, and I was like, we know who the
Speaker 1: she was. I was like, you could tell from the this,
Speaker 1: yeah that there was some for the readers at home
Speaker 1: who can't see me, I'm sort of you know, like
Speaker 1: earthquake back and forth, like you know, the Cameron Michaels.
Speaker 1: I always said from my from my SNL screen test,
Speaker 1: I was gonna do Cameron Michaels. And that's why that
Speaker 1: put me honest, because they didn't know camera my Lauren
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know who did I didn't. I skipped.
Speaker 1: She skipped most people did you know? Um? But but
Speaker 1: like I was like unclear on who she was. And
Speaker 1: then I had to get up really close and COVID
Speaker 1: restrictions be dam I was like peering over my mouth.
Speaker 1: I was like, who is that? And I was like
Speaker 1: it was cameras but in a full green she Hulk
Speaker 1: get up because it was superhero theme. It was a
Speaker 1: weird scenario because originally we were supposed to do a
Speaker 1: Christmas show and that's what I signed up for in December,
Speaker 1: and then all of those states like Texas and all
Speaker 1: that just got really hot with COVID, so they were like,
Speaker 1: we're not going to go out, so they moved it
Speaker 1: to you know, was it February? I believe I did it.
Speaker 1: I can't remember, but this is we're moving it there
Speaker 1: and we're doing this superhero theme and they're like everybody's
Speaker 1: gonna be a superhero and I'm oh God, and I'm like, I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, forty five years old. I don't need to
Speaker 1: be in a leotard, like what the funk? And they said, um,
Speaker 1: you know what would what? What would be your superpower?
Speaker 1: And everybody's like gorgeousness and fierceness, and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: a cunt. So I was super cunt for the event.
Speaker 1: You know. That's it. That's what you do, forty five
Speaker 1: years old in a parking lot in Texas, wearing a leotard,
Speaker 1: making my dad proud, making my dad proud? Wait can can? I?
Speaker 1: Of course people know this and they pick up on
Speaker 1: this from you, especially recently, but you have a special
Speaker 1: relationship with this word cunt. What does the word cunt
Speaker 1: mean to you? Just called a bunch of drag queens? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I don't even think of it as the
Speaker 1: best thing. I mean, no, no, no, no, I don't
Speaker 1: think no. I look at it. It's just like a
Speaker 1: gaggle you know when when when a gaggle of fags
Speaker 1: isn't enough, but like impossible fags, that brunch is like
Speaker 1: a group of cunts. It's just like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, it's something sexual. It's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's no reasoning, there's no it's it's like the gay
Speaker 1: version of a Karen. Yeah, just annoying little faggots. You
Speaker 1: hear that noise and you know exactly what that is
Speaker 1: that it's so then when when you're super cunt, what
Speaker 1: is this what is this superhero identity to you? Well, basically,
Speaker 1: it's the power to say anything hateful and go that's
Speaker 1: just what I do, you know, So it's just easy,
Speaker 1: you know, curse, Yes, Superman saves the world and I
Speaker 1: just ruin it. So sorry, I'm super could not even
Speaker 1: to say that that was basically the setup. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is that is a superpower. But wait, was it was it?
Speaker 1: I don't imagine. I can't imagine what it was like
Speaker 1: to do that show. And then I mean, like I
Speaker 1: think we're all used to like zoom shows whatever that
Speaker 1: has the concept of zoom shows and just not hearing
Speaker 1: the laughter or any sort of feedback. But then were
Speaker 1: people just honking when they were when they like to joke. Well,
Speaker 1: it depends on where we were. Some cities were very
Speaker 1: very serious with restrictions. Now when we got to Florida
Speaker 1: and when we got to Texas, they don't give a funk.
Speaker 1: I'm they are talking about cunts. Florida was that the
Speaker 1: one place where masks and teeth were optional. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's Florida. So it was tricky when you're there and
Speaker 1: they were outside of their vehicles, so it was nice
Speaker 1: to have some people reactive, but in some cities they
Speaker 1: were actually you know, following the rules and staying in
Speaker 1: their vehicles. So the first two nights was wild, and
Speaker 1: but luckily we were doing two shows a night, so
Speaker 1: you know, it's always like first show, got through it,
Speaker 1: second show that was kind of fun. Then the next
Speaker 1: night you're like, okay, we're back on track. So you
Speaker 1: just had to get adjusted to it. But it was
Speaker 1: Have you ever done a bad gay problem? It's redundant
Speaker 1: bad gay pride. You know, any gay pride event that
Speaker 1: you've done, where you go it's in the middle of
Speaker 1: nowhere and you're in a tent, there's no air condition,
Speaker 1: there's a mirror this big, and you pride completely. It's
Speaker 1: that type of setup. That's what it felt like. The
Speaker 1: entire time was like a gay pride event that you
Speaker 1: couldn't get out of. That's what I felt like. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's because of COVID and because I
Speaker 1: missed traveling. It was Matt and I did one little
Speaker 1: fun it was a little was a big tor but
Speaker 1: then that was then we and then you know, should
Speaker 1: out crazy. But then I missed. In some ways, I
Speaker 1: felt like it was more meaningful to be to do
Speaker 1: a queer gay thing in a town that like maybe
Speaker 1: he didn't always have these events for for people to
Speaker 1: rally around. Yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: asking such an earnest question, but like, did you forget
Speaker 1: that feeling that like going to the small town pride
Speaker 1: events felt kind of fun at least? Oh god, No,
Speaker 1: I love the travel. I'll do anything. I'm not picking
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm doing this podcast. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: the way that it is. It's like I love going
Speaker 1: and doing it, and I like it when it's a
Speaker 1: bad situation, like everything can't be perfect. Like like I'm
Speaker 1: saying earlier, is that in twenty nineteen, I got to
Speaker 1: do Carnegie Hall. But then the next night this is
Speaker 1: this just goes to show you you're in Carnegie Hall,
Speaker 1: you live in a little fantasy. The next I got
Speaker 1: on my bus the next morning and we drove to
Speaker 1: I think it was Pennsylvania or Philly. I can't remember which. One,
Speaker 1: it was. But we go there and I'm in another
Speaker 1: venue and this is a rock venue that I'm now
Speaker 1: in folding chairs. The stage is too high, the air
Speaker 1: conditions broke, there is no dressing room. That's the next night,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's what I deserve, just to remind
Speaker 1: you that's where you come from. So I love the
Speaker 1: whole magic of it. So I'll do anything. I'll go
Speaker 1: to any of these events or anywhere I'm at. And
Speaker 1: that's what was so great about driving drag is also
Speaker 1: just the commitment to people coming out to see it,
Speaker 1: driving into this setup. They're just like, we need entertainment too,
Speaker 1: So it was it was actually fun. It's so funny
Speaker 1: like to talk about like how every state is different.
Speaker 1: It was truly like it was like the heart of
Speaker 1: the pandemic. And my sister sent me a message and
Speaker 1: it was a video message of her and she lives
Speaker 1: in St. Petersburg, Florida, so she was out and it
Speaker 1: was a video of literally truly, she was in the
Speaker 1: front row at a Kennedy Davenport show. Kennedy's just doing
Speaker 1: three flips in front of her. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. I texted back, oh my God, amazing, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? Like, I'm not, I'm like batting down the
Speaker 1: hatches here. I'm like, she can't possibly have a mask
Speaker 1: on there unless that was a reveal, like mask It's
Speaker 1: so it's so crazy, Florida don't care? Are you know?
Speaker 1: Say that? Yeah? I just had that conversation with some
Speaker 1: fag other day. I was in New York and this queen.
Speaker 1: I was like hey, and she did have a mask on.
Speaker 1: And I was just like standing outside basically in the
Speaker 1: bike lane in a hut eating with other friends that
Speaker 1: it is the Ninth Avenue, and she came over and
Speaker 1: she was just like, hey, I'm like, I want to
Speaker 1: put your mask on just so people around don't freak out.
Speaker 1: She's like vaccinated, honey. I'm like, well, that's the next
Speaker 1: layer now. So it's kind of like are you a top?
Speaker 1: Are you a bottom? Are you a single? Are you
Speaker 1: on prep? Type of vaccination? Did you get? It's like
Speaker 1: it's too much, there's too much business to get out,
Speaker 1: to get out on the front end. Just completely okay?
Speaker 1: Is it okay that we're having this conversation right? Well?
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, what's what's your like? Um, what's
Speaker 1: your mode? When you come into New York now, I mean,
Speaker 1: or even back when you were doing Carnegie Hall a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, Like you come in, you like
Speaker 1: to stay with like like nor York girl. Well no,
Speaker 1: I had a great many many years there, and the
Speaker 1: problem was, um, it's just that once drag Race. Once
Speaker 1: I did Drag Race, I started traveling quite a bit,
Speaker 1: and like I said, I was taking every every shitty
Speaker 1: gay pride. So I was in and out of the
Speaker 1: city and it just became problematic to get in and
Speaker 1: out of New York. And I was in a you know,
Speaker 1: in a studio apartment in Hell's Kitchen, and it was
Speaker 1: just to the point where I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: either I moved someplace in New York or I get
Speaker 1: the funk out. And in New York. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to live in Queens. I didn't want to live in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: You know, it just didn't seem to make sense. We
Speaker 1: came in l A and it was like, okay, the
Speaker 1: sunshine all the time. No, my gigs wouldn't get canceled
Speaker 1: because of snow, or I couldn't get out of the Bardi.
Speaker 1: So I was like, let me just try this for
Speaker 1: a while. And I was stuck in l A for
Speaker 1: about four years and now I'm in Palm Springs. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so we we were talking about Palm Springs before we
Speaker 1: got on because we all love UM. So you live
Speaker 1: there now I lived there, live there. Yeah, So the
Speaker 1: crazy ship was. So I was in London doing this
Speaker 1: musical um everybody's talking about Jamie and I was finishing
Speaker 1: it up in the end of February early March, I believe,
Speaker 1: and I was coming home and I had eight weeks
Speaker 1: off to get my townsils out and buy a house
Speaker 1: random years age the schedule exactly, so I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: is it is a great timing to make this happen.
Speaker 1: I got there. I came out to Palm Springs because
Speaker 1: my assistant lived here already came out here. I saw
Speaker 1: a house. I came in here on Wednesday. I saw
Speaker 1: a house on a Friday, and I had it by Monday.
Speaker 1: And it was just like the bamboom and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna get tonsils and then boom. We were
Speaker 1: in lockdown. So I was in a house that I
Speaker 1: had just bought with no furniture, no, absolutely nothing, sitting
Speaker 1: in Palm springs the beginning of the entire pandemic. Console
Speaker 1: still in, Tonsil, still in because we canceled the surgery.
Speaker 1: So we're talking to be with the bad Tonsils right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good down because it's hot here. But when I
Speaker 1: get into cold air, that's that's the problem. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So they were like, it's elective surgery. We'll re reschedule
Speaker 1: you until you know later. Did you did did you
Speaker 1: did he drive you into l A that for those
Speaker 1: days that we were working together on Yes, they did.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I felt so bad. I was like there,
Speaker 1: like byonca is about to touch down into the studio
Speaker 1: in l A. And I was like, and she she
Speaker 1: drove all like they drove her all the way from Palm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a big deal. It's not that bad.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's still such a drive though. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you had traffic, you're looking at a three hour moments.
Speaker 1: But if you come at the right time, you can
Speaker 1: actually get in and out of there in an hour
Speaker 1: and a half if you come at the right time.
Speaker 1: Isn't that worth to live by if you come at
Speaker 1: the right time, if you come at the right honey, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I always feel like palm strings whenever I'm there.
Speaker 1: I'm always so happy to be there for like three
Speaker 1: days and then the fourth fifth day. Did you have
Speaker 1: like a period of a period where you hit a
Speaker 1: wall when you were like, Okay, it's palm springs all
Speaker 1: the time, Like are you loving it? Well? No, because
Speaker 1: I'm not in the direct city. I'm a little further out,
Speaker 1: which is great, so I'm a little more residential. Um
Speaker 1: and I mean, I mean, I'm in this super Republican neighborhood,
Speaker 1: which is weird because I'm the darkest thing without a lawnmower.
Speaker 1: But he is one of these areas where you're out here,
Speaker 1: so I'm not in the middle of the airbnbs and
Speaker 1: all the gays have in their moments, so I know
Speaker 1: where that is, which is about fifteen minutes away, so
Speaker 1: if I need it, I can go find it. But
Speaker 1: I'm a little further out, so I like being alone.
Speaker 1: You know, I get sick of people quickly, so it
Speaker 1: was easy to just kind of go, this is nice,
Speaker 1: this is cool. I can set at my house and
Speaker 1: be a normal person for a while there there and
Speaker 1: drink of course, right, ye are you gigging out? There
Speaker 1: because there's like, good, I know you're just like, no,
Speaker 1: I haven't. No, my friends, a lot of my friends
Speaker 1: that are from l A that have come out, that
Speaker 1: have done drag Race, that will come out and do
Speaker 1: the brunches and stuff, but I have this weird contract
Speaker 1: with the production company that I can't do ship, which
Speaker 1: is great because now the world's opening back up again
Speaker 1: and so things are slowly becoming human and normal. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: and she's and she's and you're gonna get You're gonna
Speaker 1: get the bookings in line pretty soon. Well yeah, well
Speaker 1: I have a tour that's announcing soon that i'll be
Speaker 1: back on the road with. Yeah. Yeah, they're actually two
Speaker 1: announcements that are happening next week. So yeah, okay, wellgund
Speaker 1: yeah the pre exclusive. Yeah, the pre exclusive. Yes, that's it.
Speaker 1: I don't know when. It's an announcement of the announcement
Speaker 1: of the announcement. We love it. I just pitched about
Speaker 1: that online Drag Queens Love to do that. They go
Speaker 1: big event coming up tomorrow. Oh, I can't wait to share.
Speaker 1: Just fucking tell us us three days before, just tell
Speaker 1: us what it's about to happen. It's the pre exclusive
Speaker 1: is just a little bit thinner than the exclusive. When
Speaker 1: it comes out, you know, it tastes, and then the
Speaker 1: exclusive better not flop. I better not here, Like about
Speaker 1: your new podcast. No, I'm not doing No. The crazy
Speaker 1: thing was you know, um they were up my ass
Speaker 1: uh Starpars Audio for about four years asking me to
Speaker 1: do one, and I did at about time. Well, I
Speaker 1: just thought you had to be in one place and
Speaker 1: record it. I mean that's how it was, you know,
Speaker 1: the world. I think you had to be one place
Speaker 1: and do it, and I couldn't commit. But then after
Speaker 1: what nine months and and you know, staying locked at home,
Speaker 1: I just thought, well, funk, I need to do something.
Speaker 1: So then it was just easier. And basically this is
Speaker 1: how we function with everybody. Now. It's kind of wine, right,
Speaker 1: There is no boundary between like my like podcast behavior
Speaker 1: like the whale like sort of like talk to someone here.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's all blended together in a
Speaker 1: way that's kind of terrifying. Yes, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: just on a podcast with everybody I'm on Zoom with
Speaker 1: And now you're gonna have to go back into society.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be terrible, Like wait, hold on, is
Speaker 1: this one being recorded? Like, no, this is a private meeting.
Speaker 1: Is my quick time running it's terrible. But Matt earlier
Speaker 1: was saying when you guys were talking about Palm Springs
Speaker 1: that like it's like Matt hopes to end up. I
Speaker 1: mean I think we all kind of do. I definitely
Speaker 1: see myself when I go to the truck, when I
Speaker 1: go to like the Tropicana or Tropical I'm always like,
Speaker 1: this is me at the bar as I know it,
Speaker 1: and it's me very soon and I love it. No,
Speaker 1: I think what's great about it is it's just I
Speaker 1: mean I come from originally from New Orleans, so it's
Speaker 1: like it's completely the opposite. We don't have mountains down there.
Speaker 1: I mean we're below sea level. Uh, not to mention.
Speaker 1: It's just it's always sunny. The weather is always the same.
Speaker 1: It's very consistent, which is good. Um, it's not as
Speaker 1: bad as hot to me is Phoenix. Um, And you know,
Speaker 1: everything looks pretty. Everything's like the flintstones. So I just
Speaker 1: love the whole idea of it. It is bed rock.
Speaker 1: It is all bed rock. Like the town. I'm just
Speaker 1: like the charming way, the way that is not terribly
Speaker 1: haunting to me in the way that like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: like whatever. I'm like, no, it's it's nice. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I see myself there too. But I I
Speaker 1: feel like when you're in l a, it's just the
Speaker 1: proximity is like it call goals to you in a
Speaker 1: different way. And I think Matt's experiencing that right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, to be honest, the only reason, I mean,
Speaker 1: one of the main reasons why I moved out here
Speaker 1: so I could actually appear young. So it's great when
Speaker 1: you look at the people that are here. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm chicken here. This is scary and it's
Speaker 1: like a whole new world for me. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: have nary, nary a crow's foot on your face because
Speaker 1: you're you're well, I just had this laser done. This
Speaker 1: lady just burned the ship out of me. She was like,
Speaker 1: all right, you got some dark spots on your face.
Speaker 1: We're gonna zap it. Then she zapp it and it
Speaker 1: got darker. I don't know what the fuck, but um, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know I've had bot tox for Christ's sake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta do that every now, But yeah, how how often?
Speaker 1: Because I think, I think, I think this is as
Speaker 1: I'm pointing at your face saying that this is, this
Speaker 1: is my goal in like five years. Well it's I
Speaker 1: don't do it that often, like every six months, and
Speaker 1: the doctor does it in different spots, so he doesn't
Speaker 1: do the same spots always. So if he does here,
Speaker 1: he won't do there, and then he'll do that next time.
Speaker 1: So you still have some mobility, so you don't have
Speaker 1: that Nicole Hitman forehead yet. Yeah, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean that that you know, I've seen your friends. She's
Speaker 1: not a close friends going to say, but I was like,
Speaker 1: I was watching The Undoing and a couple of my
Speaker 1: friends are like, I wish she didn't have so much work,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, she's playing like an Upper east
Speaker 1: Side rich woman. It's like Nicole Kiman is playing a
Speaker 1: version of herself on the Undoing. I'm cool with it.
Speaker 1: And that woman also might have a slight Australian accent.
Speaker 1: You don't know, you don't know where she went to university.
Speaker 1: I am excited, though excited slash interested in this whole
Speaker 1: Lucy biopic thing that's happening. Did you did you hear
Speaker 1: about that? We didn't mean I've always I've seen the
Speaker 1: photo and that people are people are a little up
Speaker 1: in arms about the photo. Yes, yes, because what's happening
Speaker 1: to be up in arms about. It's her face in
Speaker 1: an orange wig, and everybody's like, you know, that's I
Speaker 1: think the headline was something ridiculous at one of those
Speaker 1: Daily Mail things that it was like she's the spitting
Speaker 1: image of Lucy and it's like girl girl, you know.
Speaker 1: But then it's okay, we can say, I mean, she's
Speaker 1: not gonna win snatch game, but it's in that thing
Speaker 1: where you're like, it doesn't and then they're like justifying
Speaker 1: it by going, it's not Lucy. I love Lucy, it's
Speaker 1: Lucille Balls life. So I'm curious just to see what
Speaker 1: it's about. She's such an amazing actress that, like, I'll
Speaker 1: be interested in what the take is. I will say
Speaker 1: it was originally supposed to be Cape Blanchet, and I
Speaker 1: think that would have been fucking amazing like that, I
Speaker 1: think energy wise, because you know, Lucy like or Lucille
Speaker 1: Ball rather like she was a rather like hard person,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like she was like a
Speaker 1: tough woman. She was a tough businesswoman. She took no
Speaker 1: ship like as as as funny and as like you know,
Speaker 1: broad as she was on the show, she was, she
Speaker 1: was a real tough one. And I think that you know,
Speaker 1: Cape Blanchet like has that like natural toughness and take
Speaker 1: no ship, which she brought to you know, um, the Aviator,
Speaker 1: and she she's just we've seen her do so many
Speaker 1: times that I was really excited about that, and I
Speaker 1: think Nicole can find it and get there. And I
Speaker 1: never bet against Nicole, but in terms of just pure casting,
Speaker 1: I will say I was excited for the Cape Blanchet
Speaker 1: lose moment. See, I'm still upset that that Kate didn't
Speaker 1: win the Academy Award for Elizabeth and they gave it
Speaker 1: to Gwyneth Paltrow that year. Remember that ship it was
Speaker 1: for that Shakespeare that fuckory like on like you know,
Speaker 1: good god damn well, but she did win for The Aviator,
Speaker 1: which was supporting. But whatever, yeah, I do. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: now she's also got her blue Jasmine one, so she's
Speaker 1: got her she's got a couple on her damn show.
Speaker 1: But the thing about someone like that is it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, they always deserve to win. Did you all
Speaker 1: hear about the Hollywood foreign press falling apart, No, what's
Speaker 1: coming on? Yeah, yeah, Phillison, because I haven't been keeping
Speaker 1: up with us. So basically, like they they've obviously come
Speaker 1: under fire because there's almost no diversity in their voting body,
Speaker 1: which is essentially eight like European men who like named
Speaker 1: Gibbetto and and and like like that. Basically basically you
Speaker 1: can you can. You can send them like a basket
Speaker 1: of cookies and they'll vote for you. And that's like
Speaker 1: just basically essentially how the Golden Globes were like, it's
Speaker 1: crazy European like hi, Hi, and they're like the the
Speaker 1: way that they vote is like is actually a little
Speaker 1: bit sexist, and apparently like there's um, someone came out
Speaker 1: I believe it. Scarlett Johansson actually said today she made
Speaker 1: a huge statement and she said, you know, I am
Speaker 1: not going to be participating in these in the Hollywood
Speaker 1: foreign press events going forward because every time I go
Speaker 1: to like press events with them, they asked very sexist questions.
Speaker 1: You know, their platform for diversity outreach going forward is
Speaker 1: not satisfactory. And so now everyone like is sort of
Speaker 1: getting on board with being like we're pulling out. We're
Speaker 1: pulling out like Netflix, and now we're not doing any
Speaker 1: Hollywood format. They're not going to broadcast it. So they
Speaker 1: came under fire. Then they responded to it. The response
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough. More people are coming out to the
Speaker 1: point where this, to me is hilarious. Tom Cruise went
Speaker 1: to the Hollywood Foreign Press Offices and return his three
Speaker 1: golden globes in protest. So people and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, she's the word. I was like, yeah, Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise brought his golden globes to the Hollywood Foreign
Speaker 1: Press Offices. Then he said do better, hopped on the
Speaker 1: back of a s ard member, went back to the
Speaker 1: Scientology Celebrity Center and threw a woman who looked at
Speaker 1: Ann Archer wrong on the hallway. Give me a fucking break, Honestly,
Speaker 1: first of all, let's talk about the big problem here.
Speaker 1: Why does Tom Cruise have three golden globes? That's why
Speaker 1: I want to what the fund has he done that?
Speaker 1: He's got a rock of ages? What are these wins?
Speaker 1: What are these wins? It's like the new seasons of
Speaker 1: drag Race. Who cares it's not special anymore? You gave
Speaker 1: it to her, what is it about it? Jerry McGuire
Speaker 1: and brought on the fourth of July. In case anyone's want,
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, the moment in first of all,
Speaker 1: let's just let's just let's call his career at the moment,
Speaker 1: the moment of Jerry maguire is Rene's elbow ger. She
Speaker 1: is the moment. Okay, she said, it's Kelly Preston. It's Kelly.
Speaker 1: It's the late Kelly Preston. Yeah, yeah, getting fucked by him.
Speaker 1: This is this is getting me. That was good, Thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was really good. Sketch legend for your consideration. We
Speaker 1: are we have for your consideration, Emmys. It's going to
Speaker 1: happen before I say, baby, where the buzz is building? Um?
Speaker 1: But wait no, it's it's so funny to me though
Speaker 1: that people like, like occasionally he'll come out and be like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to say that I'm on the right side
Speaker 1: of one thing, and then people are like, yeah, we stand,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, he is like leader of a
Speaker 1: cult time. You know. Have you have you ever seen
Speaker 1: Scarlett Jr. Hands In person? She is the tiniest little thing,
Speaker 1: biggest tits I've ever seen on such a small frame.
Speaker 1: She's a very small I have a sure whether I'll
Speaker 1: have to send it to you. She's literally like this
Speaker 1: tiny little thing huge Tits beautiful though them. I can't
Speaker 1: wait for Black Widow. Look, I'm looking to I'm looking
Speaker 1: to get back into the movie theater. I went the
Speaker 1: other night to see Together Together starring our friend Patty Harrison.
Speaker 1: She's fabulous. I'm just like, it feels good to be
Speaker 1: back in the movie theater again. They're like half cool,
Speaker 1: so it's not exciting, but and any of these big
Speaker 1: movies I want to go see. But that's the best.
Speaker 1: Capacity theater is best. Even in the before, like it
Speaker 1: was like, oh great. It was like like a like
Speaker 1: a Thursday afternoon thing that you would do and it'd
Speaker 1: be like this is perfect, pick your seat, there you go.
Speaker 1: What's the movie? What's what's the theater in Palm Springs.
Speaker 1: You don't have no idea because when I got here
Speaker 1: everything was closed. So things were just slowly now opening up.
Speaker 1: So I haven't done my research. Yeah, I know, so
Speaker 1: you're just you're discovering it. I am discovering it now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I went to my friends Jackie beat and Sherry Vine
Speaker 1: had drag shows at this place called Oscar's Downtown, so
Speaker 1: I went to go because you know, they but I
Speaker 1: I would call them legends because this is what I
Speaker 1: would say about anybody like Lady Bunny and Coco Peru
Speaker 1: and Varla Jean Mormon and all of those queens. These
Speaker 1: are bitches who started, you know, in the early nineties,
Speaker 1: and they are still working and you have the platform
Speaker 1: of drag Race, didn't have social media. So the fact
Speaker 1: that they're still around, still doing what they do, and
Speaker 1: they're still fucking funny as ship. They're bitter as hell,
Speaker 1: but they're funny a ship that it's great. I would
Speaker 1: call them legends because they're committed. And also they're a
Speaker 1: huge reminder to me to say stop drag so I
Speaker 1: know at some point I'm gonna go. I don't want
Speaker 1: to be her, so I will stop. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: wild because they've been around. I mean, can you imagine
Speaker 1: just doing this since the nineties. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's a commitment, bitch. Now and you really do forget,
Speaker 1: like you know now because now it feels like when
Speaker 1: we do the new seasons of Drag Race, almost everyone
Speaker 1: that's on the show now like started doing drag or
Speaker 1: came of age doing drag while the show was on.
Speaker 1: So there is like that while I still really love
Speaker 1: the show and I actually have season our team was
Speaker 1: like an incredibly strong season in the in the grand scheme.
Speaker 1: It was so long, it was but I got it.
Speaker 1: But what then else are we doing? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Anyone? Anytime that anyone? And he was saying
Speaker 1: like it was long, it was long. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was grateful for it. Now I will say this,
Speaker 1: I haven't started watching Australia because I am a little
Speaker 1: fatigued at this point. I haven't now have watched it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I haven't watched since my season. Uh. And it's
Speaker 1: wild because like I literally watched the season season six
Speaker 1: in a bar doing bar viewings. As I told you,
Speaker 1: I'll do anything. So I was doing bar viewings while
Speaker 1: it was airing and TV and I have not sat
Speaker 1: back and watched any of it since then. So and
Speaker 1: then after that, I was traveling, and then it started
Speaker 1: getting really complicated when it started going to specific channels
Speaker 1: that weren't in my hotel or wherever I was traveling
Speaker 1: out like the one and it switched from logo and
Speaker 1: then it was all and I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: care anymore. You know, I can't keep up. You know,
Speaker 1: watch Bob's season, did you really stretch Bobs? I did
Speaker 1: watch Bob season. I saw marathon of Bob season. But
Speaker 1: I did know what was going on because Bob and
Speaker 1: I are friends. So it was that kind of a
Speaker 1: thing where, you know, he was eight, so I was
Speaker 1: out working. But yeah, we kept in touch and I
Speaker 1: knew what was going on. But I think that was
Speaker 1: probably the last time that I cared. Uh was fair,
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. Hearing you talk about you know,
Speaker 1: Jackie and and just a Cocoa and and Lady Buddy,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, but see, Bianca's win was great.
Speaker 1: Even like in my like you know Zygo era of
Speaker 1: being in New York City, I was like being like
Speaker 1: a baby. I was just like, oh, but it feels
Speaker 1: like Bianca has this connection with like I hate to
Speaker 1: use this term, but like that old school Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean when we started drag, I mean that's how
Speaker 1: I was. I started in nineties six, and so the
Speaker 1: thing was that you you had to have a gimmick,
Speaker 1: you had to have something you were doing. So either
Speaker 1: you were this super perfect lip sync artist, or you
Speaker 1: were the dancing queen, or you were the trans goddess
Speaker 1: that would be you know, naked with with the capes
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, or you were the clown. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of how it started for me. And I
Speaker 1: didn't consider myself a clown. They told me I was
Speaker 1: a clown, and in that situation is just how it rolled.
Speaker 1: So you I would basically cover the time while the
Speaker 1: girls were doing costume changes to talk to the audience
Speaker 1: because no one else wanted to talk to the audience.
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how it evolved. And we're dealing
Speaker 1: with drunk people at two am on a Wednesday night
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. Girl girl, Yeah that's the bottom of
Speaker 1: the barrel. So trial by fire that that is yeah, challenging,
Speaker 1: but you know, it was what it was. So that's
Speaker 1: just what I did all those years, and then it
Speaker 1: just kind of went into and so drag race for me.
Speaker 1: I did it at thirty seven. I had a birthday
Speaker 1: where we were filming, so I was thirty seven and
Speaker 1: I thought I will quit drag at forty. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm sick of slepping from bar to bar and doing
Speaker 1: shitty Pride gigs. Um. I thought, all right, I could
Speaker 1: wrap this up and just live a normal life, and
Speaker 1: then Drag Race kind of changed everything. So it was
Speaker 1: the last minute chance of like, let's go do it.
Speaker 1: See what's gonna happen, because I've seen many of my
Speaker 1: untalented friends go far like Manila, and I thought this,
Speaker 1: you know, like people know Jiggly's name. What the funk
Speaker 1: I could go do? Yeah, while we're talking days of Lure,
Speaker 1: we should ask the question, what do you think the
Speaker 1: central question of the show lost cultures that we currently
Speaker 1: are actually participating in right now, So it's time the
Speaker 1: question is Bianca, what was the culture that made you
Speaker 1: say culture is for me? So basically, this was the
Speaker 1: pop culture that entered your life at a certain point
Speaker 1: when you were like, oh wait, I see myself in this.
Speaker 1: I am affected by this. I'm gonna follow this impulse.
Speaker 1: Oh well, it's tricky because it didn't It wasn't actually
Speaker 1: happening in real life at my time, but it was
Speaker 1: through video tapes and a friend of mine, um, a
Speaker 1: guy that worked for the local newspaper back in the
Speaker 1: day in New Orleans. I just started drag and he says,
Speaker 1: I need you to watch this videotape. It's important. And
Speaker 1: I got to watch a videotape of Charles Pierce, and
Speaker 1: Charles Pierce was this amazing drag queen from way back when.
Speaker 1: And it was the moment that I went, oh, this
Speaker 1: is what it was. He wasn't pretty. He was doing impressions,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't It was his take on the impression.
Speaker 1: So it's very much like Saturday Live in that moment
Speaker 1: where visually you have some of the stuff that gives
Speaker 1: you the nuances. But it was the culture in the
Speaker 1: world that it was like, oh, so it's not all
Speaker 1: about looking like a woman. Oh, it's not all about
Speaker 1: being serious. That I went, oh, that's that's for me.
Speaker 1: And then I think the other the other side of
Speaker 1: it was, you know, just I was in the Madonna age,
Speaker 1: you know, so that was like my culture in my
Speaker 1: life that I was like, oh God, that's oh. I
Speaker 1: want to be in music videos. I want to be
Speaker 1: you know, I want to wear that ponytail, you know,
Speaker 1: and sing vogue. That was that was my thing. And
Speaker 1: I still love her, even though she's kind of crazy now,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, you know, I'm that mad at her,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that would probably be the most interesting thing
Speaker 1: that took me over. Yeah, Charles Pierce, Okay, she's she's
Speaker 1: doing like whatever happened to Baby Jane, like as like
Speaker 1: Betty Davis like that she has that like Betty David's face. Yes,
Speaker 1: but he also was a huge character actress. He was
Speaker 1: like on love Well, yeah, I mean in that day
Speaker 1: he was one. Also, Jim Bailey was another one. Jim
Speaker 1: Bailey used to impersonate Judy Garland and do a full
Speaker 1: concert as Judy Garland. I mean like the cal Burnett
Speaker 1: Show was on Johnny Carson, and the same thing with
Speaker 1: Charles Pierce. He was a brilliant character actor. So he
Speaker 1: was on Love Boat, Fantasy Island, he was on everything
Speaker 1: the seventies and you can find him. But it was
Speaker 1: just one of those people that actually made a living
Speaker 1: as a drag queen. And I thought, wow, you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's cool. I think I want to do that
Speaker 1: like around the same time as like a divine even
Speaker 1: or I can. Yes, it would be like two different spectrums,
Speaker 1: I think. Um perfect example, Charles Pierce was good friends
Speaker 1: with b Arthur if that gives you any his eulogy,
Speaker 1: So that's the kind of queen he was, but um
Speaker 1: I think he probably he could be the same age
Speaker 1: a divine I can't remember. But it was also you know,
Speaker 1: starting out back then where you didn't have female names,
Speaker 1: starting out when you couldn't dress and drag. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was a time even in New Orleans that you
Speaker 1: would get arrested if you were in drag, which is
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. They put in a Pattiwagon girl takeing
Speaker 1: a jail for wearing heels. So it was a different time.
Speaker 1: But I was just shocked by these people that basically
Speaker 1: made careers out of this, and we're just brilliantly talented. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you go to YouTube hole, you gotta look up
Speaker 1: Charles Spears should be cackling. There's one called Charles Pierce
Speaker 1: in San Francisco which was hysterical. You gotta look at it. See.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, are you a little disappointed in
Speaker 1: us that we're not as familiar most of the time.
Speaker 1: Most of the time we have some awareness around our
Speaker 1: guests answers. I don't want to care. No, I'm educating you.
Speaker 1: It's true. The children, the children don't know. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: children have forgotten. Sometimes the children just don't know. No,
Speaker 1: and I think I just think it's it's it's just
Speaker 1: for me. It was just my gay culture. And then
Speaker 1: I knew all of these older, you know, drag queens
Speaker 1: that I worked with throughout the years, that some of
Speaker 1: them they gave me the best advice, you know, throughout
Speaker 1: the years. So I just appreciate That's why I guess
Speaker 1: that's why I'm friends with the old girls, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not much older than me, about ten
Speaker 1: years older, but you know, Sherry, Jackie, Varla, Coco and
Speaker 1: all of them, it's like they've kind of welcomed me
Speaker 1: into that world. But they're you know, they're the best.
Speaker 1: They don't cut, they don't play any games. They deliver
Speaker 1: and I mean you go see any of their shows
Speaker 1: and you come out of that cackling, which is not
Speaker 1: and it feels like that's that's like, that's exactly what
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. It's like you're not give a fuck.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to give a fuck. What what is
Speaker 1: happening outside in that moment? Where did you know Ruin
Speaker 1: All before doing the show? Like where you connected to
Speaker 1: Ruin All? No, not not at all. I think my
Speaker 1: only connection with rough it was three or two. I
Speaker 1: can't remember. It might have been two. I was still
Speaker 1: in high school. I had a friend that was an
Speaker 1: actress and she was introducing at this It was a
Speaker 1: no Aid's Task Force event that was happening in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: It was a big thing, Halloween party, and it was
Speaker 1: the height of supermodel and so Ru was coming in
Speaker 1: and so I was there and got to see Rue
Speaker 1: and um, you know, it was just this big entourage
Speaker 1: came in, big long hair. But also at that time,
Speaker 1: nobody was doing it like Rue. You know, so U
Speaker 1: was on TV and hand all this exposure. But that
Speaker 1: was the first run in and then in New York.
Speaker 1: Occasionally would see her either on the street or at
Speaker 1: Splash Bar when I worked there with Bunny that she
Speaker 1: come oh girl, yeah. Um, so that's where I run
Speaker 1: into a couple of times. That was all pre drag Race.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't until we did the show that you know,
Speaker 1: I got to well, I'm not even sure if it
Speaker 1: was her was probably a hologram, but she was in
Speaker 1: the room with me during that. Yeah, right right, yeah.
Speaker 1: I recently I recently actually fell down a wormhole of
Speaker 1: like the So it's so funny because like you just
Speaker 1: think of the Rupel Supermodel moment as this moment that happened,
Speaker 1: and that was what catapulted Rue. But what I constantly
Speaker 1: forget is that it was directly connected to the fact
Speaker 1: that like that was also the dawn of the age
Speaker 1: of the supermodel. And the other day I was like,
Speaker 1: I've fallen down a wormhole of like I guess what
Speaker 1: they call the Big Six, which was you know, Naomi
Speaker 1: Christy Turlington, Linda Eventelie, I guess, Kate moss Um, Cindy Crawford,
Speaker 1: and like, I don't want to forge, I said, Naomi,
Speaker 1: And was it Claudia Schiffer. Maybe it's Cludia Schiffer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So and then like Tyra Banks would come a little
Speaker 1: bit after that, I'm over here saying Carla Bruney like
Speaker 1: an idiot, Well, I guess, like and and I remember
Speaker 1: like there was like, like, I guess Rue was on
Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live with Naomi and they were Andy
Speaker 1: asked about um the song Supermodel, and Naomi she lit
Speaker 1: up because she was like, we love that so much.
Speaker 1: And I think, like I I sometimes forget that that
Speaker 1: moment for Rue was probably so huge because this supermode
Speaker 1: models were so huge, Like nowadays, it's like they try
Speaker 1: to make some of these girls happen in terms of
Speaker 1: being supermodels, Like I guess we have like we know,
Speaker 1: we know their names, like we know who Jijihadi it is.
Speaker 1: We know that Kendall Jenner does walk the runway. Um,
Speaker 1: but like at the time, like that was such a
Speaker 1: huge moment and then for that song to be connected
Speaker 1: to that huge moment pop culturally, that's what made RU
Speaker 1: sort of explode right Like, And they also even opened
Speaker 1: remember the Fashion Cafe, which was like a Planet Hollywood
Speaker 1: gay version that they had. They had it in New York,
Speaker 1: that had one in New Orleans and I think one
Speaker 1: of Los Angeles. So it was like they were investing
Speaker 1: this restaurant that was based all around supermodels, which is
Speaker 1: insane to think about. Yeah, the nineties. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: was I was reading. I was reading because I was
Speaker 1: started trying to educate myself about this because I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's really not a lot of supermodels now.
Speaker 1: And it was basically about how those five or six
Speaker 1: women became so powerful in the fashion industry that basically
Speaker 1: fashion couldn't go without them. So like it like they
Speaker 1: basically made a decision as an industry that we were
Speaker 1: never going to let six women become this powerful because
Speaker 1: like we couldn't they couldn't do control it. Yeah that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like the the I only get out of bed for
Speaker 1: was not a joke. That's a good one. You know
Speaker 1: what's funny. One time I was in New York and
Speaker 1: I ran into Linda Evangelista at Party City. She was
Speaker 1: buying a spar was because I am, I don't do
Speaker 1: you do this? I don't know if either one of
Speaker 1: you do this? But what a map? But like when
Speaker 1: you go, especially like in New York, it's that type
Speaker 1: of thing where your eyes are always open to seeing
Speaker 1: if you know somebody, I'm I'm one of those out
Speaker 1: of my groups of friends, I'm the one who spots
Speaker 1: the person first. So I was going up and down
Speaker 1: the old I was in Luau Section and there she was.
Speaker 1: But she was standing there and I'm like you know that,
Speaker 1: mom w And You're like, oh my god, that that
Speaker 1: looks like Linda and Mangelista. This is happening in my
Speaker 1: head going that looks the woman looks a lot like
Speaker 1: Linda Maneli is not like that is that woman could
Speaker 1: be if she had a little more makeup, if her
Speaker 1: hair was this, if it wasn't a party city, like
Speaker 1: I know, she can't be here. You know, it's New York.
Speaker 1: It's New York. Like I always say, there's a select few,
Speaker 1: a fan of people that you would never see in person.
Speaker 1: Princess Diana, Michael Jackson, maybe because they're dead, but Princess Diana,
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, Madonna you wouldn't see locally. You would run
Speaker 1: into lies that you would run into, anybody on the
Speaker 1: street that you would go, oh hey, you know, Joan
Speaker 1: Rivers was one, Cindy Adams, you know, that kind of
Speaker 1: stuff you expect to see, but you wouldn't expect to
Speaker 1: see Linda eventually some part of city. So I was
Speaker 1: shock gonna tell her hello, and she just looked at
Speaker 1: me that I was crazy, and that was that, yeah,
Speaker 1: how are you positive? Because I said, I said to her,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I'm sorry, you look
Speaker 1: a lot like LINDI eventulations because my name is Linda,
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, nice to each I love you,
Speaker 1: and I just went away. I was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: you've become that faggot, you know, You're like, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do it. I'm not going to do it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One time, one time I was in UM. I was
Speaker 1: in uh Central Park and I was walking with my
Speaker 1: friend and we saw Kevin Bacon walking his dog. And
Speaker 1: as he was walking by with his dog, she told me,
Speaker 1: she says, we're gonna play cool. We're not going to
Speaker 1: say anything. I said, of course not. He's walking his dog,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. And as soon as he passes,
Speaker 1: my friend screams, well, I loved you in foot Loose
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, what a fucking troll like
Speaker 1: that girl? Yeah, so one he hasn't heard before us exactly. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they kept moving, but you know, what's your emma when
Speaker 1: people do that to you. Though, I don't mind it,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm happy if they even give a shit,
Speaker 1: you know. I like it when it's a surprise one.
Speaker 1: So it's like if you're going through t s A
Speaker 1: and you're standing there and you've put this and they've
Speaker 1: pulled your bag aside, and you're like, I know, because
Speaker 1: when you're traveling a lot, you're like, it ain't no
Speaker 1: water in there, there ain't no gun, what the funk
Speaker 1: is up? And they pull the bag over and then
Speaker 1: you go over there and I'm like, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be another ten minutes. I can't sit in the lounge,
Speaker 1: and it's somebody going, hey, you were my favorite. I
Speaker 1: just want to tell you hello, Can I get a
Speaker 1: bag back? So those moments are fun. Um they hold
Speaker 1: your back just to say hi. Yeah, she was telling me,
Speaker 1: was just wiping my bag down, telling me hello that
Speaker 1: was her favorite. It's like that I couldn't give this
Speaker 1: back to you until I said it's like, well, if
Speaker 1: you have to give it back to me, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you wouldn't expect it. So it's that kind of saying.
Speaker 1: That's fun. A flight attendant, somebody at Starbucks that write
Speaker 1: your name on the cup before you even see it,
Speaker 1: and then it's like you get it. It's like Bianca
Speaker 1: with a heart. You're like, oh, this is fucking dumb,
Speaker 1: but it is kind of wild. It's kind of wild
Speaker 1: because you know, when you when you go and film
Speaker 1: that stuff, you just don't know. Like in my head,
Speaker 1: I thought maybe my friends in New York would watch
Speaker 1: my people I know in Los Angeles and people in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. I didn't expect for everybody in different countries
Speaker 1: to watch globally to know or care. Yeah, your season
Speaker 1: was a seat change, though I really think that, you know,
Speaker 1: because so four and five like really put it on
Speaker 1: the map, and then I really do believe like everyone
Speaker 1: in the queer community and put everyone in quot it's
Speaker 1: but like everyone all my friends were watching by season six.
Speaker 1: I think even season six was maybe the first season
Speaker 1: that I was like, Okay, I'm actually I knew I
Speaker 1: liked the show since season two, but it wasn't my
Speaker 1: favorite show until season six, and then I think it
Speaker 1: was like around six, seven, eight, and then I believe
Speaker 1: by the time Season I was happening, it was like
Speaker 1: a full blown phenomenon. But your season was really the
Speaker 1: season where it started to change. I think it was
Speaker 1: good casting. I think it was just that they all,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we were all like Courtney Courtney
Speaker 1: act was extremely established, you know, globally working and doing stuff,
Speaker 1: and she was in late twenties and thirties, and the
Speaker 1: door was huge on the American idol there, and I
Speaker 1: mean I was the thirties seven, so they allowed older.
Speaker 1: Darien was older than me, so it was there was
Speaker 1: a lot of diversity in age and also experience, which
Speaker 1: was great um and and you know, down to the
Speaker 1: final four, we were all completely different as people and
Speaker 1: not necessarily in competition with one another. So it's not
Speaker 1: like I think, now it's hard for me to watch
Speaker 1: because there's you know, these little Instagram girls where they
Speaker 1: look gorgeous in a photo, but I go, what do
Speaker 1: you do? Like, what are you? You know? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you've heard this a million times, but it does
Speaker 1: feel like six was the last season before things started
Speaker 1: to tip into Instagram appealing, before things started to be
Speaker 1: done on the show with the like four sight of
Speaker 1: like what's it gonna look like on insta? R right?
Speaker 1: Six six was sort of that last little moment that
Speaker 1: we all sort of hold dear that I remember being like, okay,
Speaker 1: there's something changing with seven once it came on, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I longed for the days of
Speaker 1: season six. Like I heard myself saying that, well, I
Speaker 1: didn't even have Instagram or Twitter until I did the show.
Speaker 1: So it was that kind of a thing where they
Speaker 1: were like, well, would be best if you maybe get
Speaker 1: online and create a social profile, And I'm like, so
Speaker 1: it was something that they they suggested you do, They
Speaker 1: suggested to us we didn't have. And it's tricky now
Speaker 1: because you know, it's a completely different world as far
Speaker 1: as the contracts are concerned and the media signed with
Speaker 1: VH one being involved. So even once you filmed the show,
Speaker 1: H v H one and all of them will sit
Speaker 1: with you separately and then go through their propaganda fucare
Speaker 1: and things that you're expected and things you have to do.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like um appearances as Miss America. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't have any of that. It was really like
Speaker 1: you do the show. We were paid five hundred bucks
Speaker 1: an episode. That's what it was. It was two days
Speaker 1: for every episode except for our rusical, which took three days. UM.
Speaker 1: And that was that contract was show up at the
Speaker 1: finale and we're happy, thank you so much, and then
Speaker 1: I got my money and that was that. So I'd
Speaker 1: didn't have any restrictions. I was not signed to them
Speaker 1: or any of that madness. So it's a completely different game.
Speaker 1: I think the same thing kind of happened with American Idol,
Speaker 1: where it was free for all for a hot minute,
Speaker 1: and then they started controlling and handling all the girls,
Speaker 1: which is the situation there in now. So you know,
Speaker 1: good luck, I'm glad I didn't when I did it,
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's a different world, and I think
Speaker 1: as the show has gotten bigger, um, you know, the
Speaker 1: rules have changed and the demographic has changed, you know,
Speaker 1: so it can be challenging me. It's a blessing, and
Speaker 1: of course I'm grateful for the platform, but I also
Speaker 1: refused to have a thirteen year old girl named Bethany
Speaker 1: tell me how the funk I should live my life
Speaker 1: or what I should say or shouldn't say because she
Speaker 1: didn't like it. No, No, that is the time. That's
Speaker 1: got to be The tough thing is it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: someone like Tina Burner, who's like an established queen for
Speaker 1: decades in New York, and then she goes on and
Speaker 1: like the fucking twelve year old fandom is like wait out,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's like, well, who the funk are you? Like,
Speaker 1: she's been doing it longer than you've been alive and
Speaker 1: that a joke. She literally might have shoes older than
Speaker 1: these kids complete. But it's also the chance you take.
Speaker 1: It's the chance you take. And you know, I'm friends
Speaker 1: with Tina, and Tina all she ever wanted was to
Speaker 1: be on the show, and I think that's also the
Speaker 1: hard thing too, is that when you want it so
Speaker 1: bad and you've always wanted to be And I think
Speaker 1: she auditioned like ten times where it was like every season,
Speaker 1: so she finally gets on and it's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a it's a gamble. You know, you just never know
Speaker 1: how people are going to react. But it's just I mean,
Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with Tina as a person
Speaker 1: or the way she comes off on television, and it
Speaker 1: has everything to do with the way that audiences expect
Speaker 1: to be um in the conversation. I expect to dictate
Speaker 1: the conversation or they're the ones interpreting what's happening on
Speaker 1: their televisions in a way that's supposed to like materially
Speaker 1: affect these girls lives. It's like this affects their bookings,
Speaker 1: This effects like the way that people approach them. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I think for me in particular, I was grateful
Speaker 1: that I didn't have social media all those years before
Speaker 1: because I didn't know how social media worked. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that I I didn't over so I don't play
Speaker 1: the victim. I don't care what you think of me,
Speaker 1: and so in this game, I don't use social media
Speaker 1: as a platform to even discuss anything personal or get
Speaker 1: into it, whereas drag race, you know the storytelling and
Speaker 1: the funcory. And I was left at a bus stop
Speaker 1: and I overcame the sing a song, dance, blow up balloons,
Speaker 1: make it entertaining. No one is gonna go see her
Speaker 1: show because she was left at a bus stop, like
Speaker 1: what the fuck? Like? And I love Roxy Rocks and
Speaker 1: I are friends and Roxy is a very talented performer.
Speaker 1: And what I hate, what I hate is all people
Speaker 1: know is she was left at a bus stop like that.
Speaker 1: That's that's the label that's there. And I mean I
Speaker 1: went to dinner with her and she annoyed the ship
Speaker 1: out of me. And I mean I left her at
Speaker 1: the restaurant. But it's the same thing where you just
Speaker 1: go like I always tell people her family left at
Speaker 1: the bus stop. Have you said at dinner weather I
Speaker 1: left her there? Like why? But she's got a good
Speaker 1: sense of humor. But it's a tricky situation with it
Speaker 1: because if you start to believe it and it just
Speaker 1: becomes your world, they get wrapped up in it, and
Speaker 1: then the girls get desperate and now it's like over
Speaker 1: saturation so it's really hard. Everybody's trying to get ahead
Speaker 1: and everybody's trying to stay afloat. You know, like season
Speaker 1: wasn't Season eleven that happened during pandemic or twelve yea,
Speaker 1: So twelve came out during the pandemic and that was
Speaker 1: the sherry pie of it all. It was like fuckory right,
Speaker 1: and I felt so bad for that season of Girls,
Speaker 1: And then this season was when they shot it in
Speaker 1: during So it's just it's it's like it's a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there, so everybody's trying to grasp and
Speaker 1: get that that limelight, and it's very very challenging to
Speaker 1: do it, especially when you get wrapped up in the
Speaker 1: fury of online. Yeah. I mean, but but now I'm
Speaker 1: just realizing, and I've kind of known this the whole time,
Speaker 1: but it's like your time on the show was never
Speaker 1: you had never given the producers any crumb of like
Speaker 1: a personal narrative, which I probably made made your sort
Speaker 1: of like your season in terms of your win so clean,
Speaker 1: in terms of it being just about the work, and
Speaker 1: it was just like, yes, of course Bionco deserves it
Speaker 1: because it's Bianca and she is so solid all season
Speaker 1: it was tricky. That's one of the reasons why I
Speaker 1: didn't think I was gonna win. You know, as you're
Speaker 1: going through it, you know, remember we're doing this over
Speaker 1: a five and a half week period. Every day is
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing it, so we don't have all
Speaker 1: this space. So every two days is one episode. So
Speaker 1: all I kept thinking was let's just get through, just
Speaker 1: get through, get through. You do confessionals, um every day,
Speaker 1: so so that's a whole separate team. So basically the
Speaker 1: show itself. You come in the morning, we walk in,
Speaker 1: you know, our headphones are bag, she gives us our challenge.
Speaker 1: We start this challenge. The next day is ruined, drag, runway,
Speaker 1: all of that. But each day when it ends, a
Speaker 1: different production team comes in and we do basically the
Speaker 1: untucked and our confessionals. So we get into our one
Speaker 1: outfit we were the first season they started doing that,
Speaker 1: so if you had on a shirt an episode one,
Speaker 1: you had to wear that shirt every day for confessionals,
Speaker 1: so they could use the footage as they chose um.
Speaker 1: And you know, you would just sit back with this
Speaker 1: producer and they would ask you questions about the day
Speaker 1: and you would respond and my responses were always just like, well,
Speaker 1: this is what I thought, this is I thought. And
Speaker 1: there was a moment. I remember they had an issue
Speaker 1: with Benda la Creme. Uh, she was going on some
Speaker 1: SOB story in the corner and I didn't hear it.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear the SOB story. So they were like, well,
Speaker 1: what did you feel about Benda the Creme story? I
Speaker 1: said I didn't hear it, and they said, well, what
Speaker 1: we need to get something from you. I go I
Speaker 1: didn't hear it, and they got, well, you know she
Speaker 1: had family members. I I didn't fucking hear it. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't care about her or her family, Like,
Speaker 1: we can't use that. I got quite asking, but it
Speaker 1: was that kind of a thing where if you back down,
Speaker 1: then you probably made up some bullshit that would have
Speaker 1: stirred up a fight. But I was just like, I
Speaker 1: don't care. I don't care about her. And it was
Speaker 1: like they felt like they didn't really need it from you, though,
Speaker 1: because the other girls were in such despair. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was like the really tough LOGNGA narrative. And I
Speaker 1: feel badly about that because I feel like, you know
Speaker 1: who i'd love to see come back for an All
Speaker 1: Star because she's so good, she's so talented, and just
Speaker 1: felt like that was like such a nightmare for her
Speaker 1: because is like and then then she said afterwards, like
Speaker 1: I guess she really needs weed medically, and like they
Speaker 1: weren't letting her have it, Like I would be freaking
Speaker 1: out too if that were the case, Like, and I
Speaker 1: just feel like that became such a it's actually that
Speaker 1: I feel very attacked. While while it is funny and
Speaker 1: a meme like and we do laugh like the woman
Speaker 1: is having a paddic attack, it was it was a
Speaker 1: wild scenario and and it was a very long day
Speaker 1: that day, and I knew the thing was at what
Speaker 1: we were on the show. I wanted to kill her.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to kill her because of it wasn't
Speaker 1: just what was happening on camera, because remember I'm not
Speaker 1: seeing her confessionals. I don't know anything that's going on
Speaker 1: other than what she's showing us in the room. So
Speaker 1: that was maybe my connection with her, but the whole
Speaker 1: thing with her family and doing drag and the sympathy
Speaker 1: and the family not accepting her. I sat with a
Speaker 1: producer in my confessionals and I was like, uh, this
Speaker 1: ain't adding up. And she's like, well, would you be
Speaker 1: willing to bring it up in front of her? I go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't add up. So when we were in
Speaker 1: that room that day and I knew it was I
Speaker 1: knew she was going. We just knew she was going,
Speaker 1: and that's what I was just like, you know what,
Speaker 1: And that's when it went beyond. But after that we
Speaker 1: you know, we've we're friends now. And she's like, that
Speaker 1: really helped her, was getting her as kicked, and then
Speaker 1: she realized how ridiculous she was being. And you know,
Speaker 1: she's much better now. She's lovely to be around now.
Speaker 1: I just saw in Los Angeles. Yeah, yeah, she's great.
Speaker 1: She just seems she seems to be in a great place.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that it's necessarily, like mentally helpful
Speaker 1: for us as years to recommend that she go back
Speaker 1: into that environment. That was That's why I think she
Speaker 1: keeps saying no. I mean, I would imagine that they've asked,
Speaker 1: you know, they asked a lot of people. I think
Speaker 1: I think I think no. I think she's great television.
Speaker 1: She's a talented performer and truly and honestly, any situation
Speaker 1: we had on set even I was joking about bend
Speaker 1: of the crime earlier is that, you know, we all
Speaker 1: become friends, and it was just this weird thing that
Speaker 1: once you get to the very end of it, everybody
Speaker 1: was kind of like, oh, okay, this is how it works,
Speaker 1: and we're glad this happened this way. Like it wasn't
Speaker 1: vindictive or nasty or hateful like Courtney, and they were like,
Speaker 1: we knew you were gonna win. I like, I thought
Speaker 1: you were gonna win, Like I thought a Door was
Speaker 1: gonna win because she ride, you know, I don't you know,
Speaker 1: you don't know when you're in it. So I think
Speaker 1: that's what's the great thing about that season because everybody
Speaker 1: brought something different to the you know, to the table.
Speaker 1: Whereas now I think you can be in production and
Speaker 1: like have some like telegraph something in order to get
Speaker 1: a response months down the line when the episode comes out,
Speaker 1: Like do you guys know what I'm talking about? You
Speaker 1: can you can engineer a response from the audience months ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever you do on the show,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Well if you notice now, if you
Speaker 1: go to Twitter right now and you look at any
Speaker 1: drag race Queen that's being nice to everyone on Twitter.
Speaker 1: That means she's trying to get liked because she's on
Speaker 1: All Stars. So I laugh at that when they're like
Speaker 1: everybody's everybody is different and we need to embrace shut
Speaker 1: the funk up. You're a nanty count. We know it,
Speaker 1: like we know you go home six. So is that
Speaker 1: kind of a thing where they're trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: fix it before it all happens, where we were told,
Speaker 1: don't get unlined, don't say a word, don't do and
Speaker 1: so it was a different, different word. We filmed in
Speaker 1: June and July and it didn't air n till February,
Speaker 1: so we had all that time to shut the funk
Speaker 1: up about it, and that was our quiet time, you know,
Speaker 1: when you know New York. It was weird because I worked,
Speaker 1: i think at the time, four days a week in
Speaker 1: Fire Island and I took off to go film and
Speaker 1: I didn't tell anybody except with a handful of people.
Speaker 1: And as soon as I left sus I didn't show
Speaker 1: up for the first gig, they were like something that
Speaker 1: I don't ever not show up. So it was that
Speaker 1: was when it all kind of snowball. But I was
Speaker 1: horrified that if I said something, I would lose the opportunity.
Speaker 1: You know, now they got some ballsy bitches. Now they're
Speaker 1: all ballsy. Well, it's like it's like if you know
Speaker 1: the right people. Now it's like you know what happens
Speaker 1: in a season. The second they returned, it's like it's
Speaker 1: like something one of them is fun and smelling everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, usually I have to really tell people like that,
Speaker 1: I know, I don't want to know this year like
Speaker 1: this this really think the first year where I was
Speaker 1: like I don't want to know and you don't want
Speaker 1: to know, like like All Stars certain a third. But
Speaker 1: for the regular seasons, I always tell people. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know, and it was still spoiled
Speaker 1: from me that Rose was on the top four, Like
Speaker 1: I knew that about six weeks before, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I told you guys, oh yeah wait, but let me
Speaker 1: ask you, are you too like Reddit people, do you
Speaker 1: go like search the ship out? Okay, okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I don't get into that either. But usually end
Speaker 1: up we end up finding out from everyone else, or
Speaker 1: usually when I get a call while there's production going
Speaker 1: and I get a business call from a queen because
Speaker 1: they love to ask, well, what about management, what about
Speaker 1: t shirts? Um, So then I really know that they're back.
Speaker 1: And then they give me their version of what happens.
Speaker 1: That's really the best. That's what you get, their version
Speaker 1: of their version. Happy with all of my choices. And
Speaker 1: I said this, and I did that, but I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna look great. Cut to three months later. Oh
Speaker 1: fuck tricky. It's tricky, and and it's TV. It is.
Speaker 1: And one other thing that I think is really different
Speaker 1: about the show now, and I think it's becoming not
Speaker 1: a problem, but it's becoming a real like rub in
Speaker 1: the show that I think is funny, but the references
Speaker 1: and sort of content that ruined the judges assume the
Speaker 1: kids will know and they're really like twenty years old,
Speaker 1: like when like when none of them could name disco songs,
Speaker 1: even Tina Burner was having a hard time like naming
Speaker 1: three disco songs in front of RU, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: when they didn't know who Charles Nelson Riley was and
Speaker 1: RU was like, fuck you guys. But RU just seems
Speaker 1: to have a good sense of humor about it. But
Speaker 1: that is like like I wonder, like like it's it's
Speaker 1: such a different I guess it's just that's how it's
Speaker 1: gonna be. One time passes. Like these young girls, they
Speaker 1: hear they they are the ones that say Taylor Swift legend,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, it's it's just it's
Speaker 1: just different. That's where we are now. And I mean
Speaker 1: I find it fascinating because you know, it has something.
Speaker 1: If you want people to know that, you might want
Speaker 1: to cast people that are old enough to remember it.
Speaker 1: But and that's why I think it's like if you
Speaker 1: can't just assume they're going to all be able to
Speaker 1: slay a share impression now in the year of our lorde.
Speaker 1: You know what it's like, it can't be too mad
Speaker 1: that that you know, like this queen who like main
Speaker 1: like it doesn't have a reference for this, doesn't have
Speaker 1: the reference for this without a doubt or or what
Speaker 1: I find fascinating too, is it when you think about
Speaker 1: that something is being created by people that are over
Speaker 1: fifty years old and you're creating it for a demographic
Speaker 1: of thirteen to thirty eight. It's like it's gotta be
Speaker 1: a disconnect. So the fact that Denali didn't nail Betty Davis,
Speaker 1: like it's just it's not gonna matter to the twelve
Speaker 1: year old snow and there's fifteen facts and I'm going
Speaker 1: I could do it. I could do it. Yeah, completely,
Speaker 1: it is funny, it's changed. Yeah. What was it like
Speaker 1: I'm talking about because you did this thing with Joan
Speaker 1: Rivers where you were on her talk show and bed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what was that like because I remember watching that back
Speaker 1: back in the day. Yeah, No, it was a while ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a while ago. Yeah, it was yeah, because
Speaker 1: I was, um, well, you know, living in New York,
Speaker 1: you run into Joan everywhere, like if there was an
Speaker 1: opening up probably show, whether it be Lakaje or anything
Speaker 1: that I was at. Well, these two events that I
Speaker 1: was at, it was Lakaje and Priscilla. She was there
Speaker 1: both those opening nights and I was in Drag. It
Speaker 1: was one of those random things where they were like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you show up and drag. We had to leave
Speaker 1: Priscilla now, we had to leave Lakaje. No, Priscilla, we
Speaker 1: had to leave early because Bunny's hair people couldn't sit behind.
Speaker 1: But we um we had gone and done these events
Speaker 1: and she was always very gracious and said hello. And
Speaker 1: this was before we before everybody had a phone with
Speaker 1: a camera. I don't I don't think that was your
Speaker 1: face then. Um. She was always very gracious and always
Speaker 1: very nice. And then I was running around doing all
Speaker 1: these different gigs and I was booked in Ohio and
Speaker 1: had been to Akron, I've been to uh Cleveland, and
Speaker 1: it was a random gig that they wanted me for
Speaker 1: a Sunday. And then I got a call from a
Speaker 1: guy that's a comedian by the name of Tony Tripoli.
Speaker 1: And Tony used to write for Joan Rivers on Fashion
Speaker 1: Police and he said, Hey, would you want to do
Speaker 1: this this YouTube show? I said, what does Johan doing
Speaker 1: a YouTube show? He goes, well, nobody wanted to pick
Speaker 1: up the show, but she said, let's do it on YouTube.
Speaker 1: I could do whatever the funk I want. And I
Speaker 1: thought that's insane that nobody went on IM like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I'm doing signing it up. So I called
Speaker 1: all my manager at the time, and I said I'd
Speaker 1: like to do this and he's like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's the best idea because you know, she's not
Speaker 1: paying and blah blah blah. And I'm like uhh and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, She's not gonna pay for your flight
Speaker 1: or your hotel, just like, bitch, please like. So I
Speaker 1: flew to Los Angeles and we we went into Melissa
Speaker 1: River's house and I was the third of four that
Speaker 1: she was doing that day. The guy before me was
Speaker 1: that nave guy from Catfish on Empty Far. She was
Speaker 1: before me boring, and then I came in, and then
Speaker 1: after me was Lann Rhymes. Um. But all of this
Speaker 1: was happening in the house and you really do go
Speaker 1: down to the basement, and we were supposed to do
Speaker 1: like I think, what was it something crazy, Jamie? Was
Speaker 1: it like with fifteen minutes and thirty minutes or something.
Speaker 1: I ended up doing an hour of us just cackling
Speaker 1: and talking ships. Ever, she was like the best and
Speaker 1: the reason why I'm in a onesies. I did my
Speaker 1: hair and stuff at the hotel and got there with
Speaker 1: the ones and I brought three different outfits and I'm like, John,
Speaker 1: which one do you think? She was like what she
Speaker 1: got on? So that's why I wore it. But she
Speaker 1: was truly the best, And I have to say that,
Speaker 1: you know, someone of her caliber didn't have to be nice,
Speaker 1: didn't have to be generous, didn't have to set you
Speaker 1: up to make a jokes, and she was all of that,
Speaker 1: and I was just like my eleven year old self
Speaker 1: was going keep going, keep going, keep going. But she
Speaker 1: was the best, truly, truly one of my favorite memories,
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy I did this. But it was
Speaker 1: a freshman or of n y U as it was
Speaker 1: two thousand eight, so she had to be seventy five.
Speaker 1: And for some reason, it was like it was like
Speaker 1: my third or fourth week in the city and I
Speaker 1: wanted to do something, and I i there was something
Speaker 1: on like the n y U website that was like
Speaker 1: a learning everyone to like things that were happening in
Speaker 1: the city, and it was like Joan Rivers was doing
Speaker 1: stand up. So I took this girl on my floor,
Speaker 1: like down to I don't even remember the v It
Speaker 1: might it might have been the cutting room, but it
Speaker 1: was like when I tell you, it was like she
Speaker 1: would do two of them. It was like very bar.
Speaker 1: It was. It was not a theater. It was like
Speaker 1: it was like there was like a stage in the
Speaker 1: back of a bar. It might have been the cutting room.
Speaker 1: In fact, that that rings true, so there might have
Speaker 1: been people there, but she she was there and I
Speaker 1: remember she got up and she was like doing new material,
Speaker 1: Like she was like she had all this new material,
Speaker 1: and I remember like I was just I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: that more people weren't there to soak in, like you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna the word is overused, but not for her, true,
Speaker 1: completely true, true icon. And she was there killing it
Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, doing jokes that were not for
Speaker 1: the fan of heart, like hard, rough and tumble, right,
Speaker 1: like really going for it like and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is pure, unfiltered Joane. And it's one It's one
Speaker 1: of the things I will always remember, and it's brilliant
Speaker 1: that you know, at that age to even go try
Speaker 1: at material she doesn't have to she had, but that
Speaker 1: was her gig. And you know, the night the day
Speaker 1: that she died, well, not the day that she died,
Speaker 1: with the day she went into the hospital. That next morning,
Speaker 1: she worked at the Lorie Beachman Theater the night before
Speaker 1: doing a show, trying out new material, and then she
Speaker 1: had this scope that she was supposed to do the
Speaker 1: next day at a clinic and that's when everything went downhill.
Speaker 1: And it's just I was in Australia when it happened,
Speaker 1: and it was so weird because I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: like this no, not done, no, And it was just
Speaker 1: fascinating that the turn of events that happened after that,
Speaker 1: we're pretty wild. But to know that she was in
Speaker 1: that place the night before doing jokes, it's just that's
Speaker 1: the way to go, I guess, right, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I gotta watch that documentary again. Piece of work.
Speaker 1: Piece of work. I mean I haven't seen it since.
Speaker 1: I think I watched again after she passed away, like
Speaker 1: right after, because I was like, I gotta like honor
Speaker 1: this somehow. But like, but to have that like work ethic,
Speaker 1: I think I don't know that even people like our generation,
Speaker 1: like between me and Matt, like, I don't do you
Speaker 1: know anybody who like works like that? I mean literally
Speaker 1: there's people that are like the pandemic is hard on
Speaker 1: me emotionally, and I can't see myself going up on stage.
Speaker 1: It's like Joan Rivers would have been up for like
Speaker 1: she like whatever, she would have had like the like
Speaker 1: mask on whatever. She's like, I don't care what I
Speaker 1: have to do to get on stage. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: nothing was stopping her. It was clear and then you
Speaker 1: know that's true stand up, a true workhorse, a true
Speaker 1: like consummate professional that she was. She was never done.
Speaker 1: She was never done. And also like a lot of
Speaker 1: these a lot of the jokes, like you know, she
Speaker 1: knew they were bombers because like she was like she
Speaker 1: was like she had jokes that were killing and jokes
Speaker 1: that were bombing, but she was having so much fun
Speaker 1: doing it. I will say, yeah, it was because also
Speaker 1: after that time frame, you know, then they had that
Speaker 1: whole switch with the Fashion Police and stuff, and they
Speaker 1: had Kathy Griffin comin and blah blah blah, and so
Speaker 1: I knew some people that were writing on the show
Speaker 1: after Joan had left. And if anybody knew this, Joane
Speaker 1: had eleven writers for Fashion Police. Eleven. Now that's how
Speaker 1: you do it. Eleven writers, and Cathy had decided that
Speaker 1: she didn't want any. And I'm like, kind of if
Speaker 1: Joan had eleven, you need forty six. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, it's that kind of a thing where you're
Speaker 1: like that made sense, because how would this seventy five
Speaker 1: year old woman know anybody or know any reference to
Speaker 1: anything unless she had a rights And I mean That's
Speaker 1: what was so great is that as giving as she was,
Speaker 1: she was also accepted. If it's funny, she would use
Speaker 1: it and she would get out there and and try it,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's what you're supposed to do. That
Speaker 1: documentary really did kind of put into perspective like though
Speaker 1: it was her against the world, it really was. And
Speaker 1: I mean, like the disrespect she was shown by Jay Leno, like,
Speaker 1: I mean, just like all of it, just like she
Speaker 1: the fact that she was still going, I mean, that
Speaker 1: was that is a true legend in in the truest
Speaker 1: sense of the word. Name another legend. Now you really
Speaker 1: can't you can't. I really can't know. You can't know,
Speaker 1: you can't you can't. Speaking of legends, this is our legendary.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. So this is the sort
Speaker 1: of what would we say about the point of the
Speaker 1: show where things get a little hot. This is the
Speaker 1: point of the show where you know, things are said
Speaker 1: that can't be taken back. We take big swings with
Speaker 1: our opinions and we we go for it, just like Jones. Um.
Speaker 1: This is our segment where we take one minute each
Speaker 1: to rail against something in culture while saying the words
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, So stupid Matt and I
Speaker 1: will go first, and then Uncle will go. Um, we'll
Speaker 1: choose a topic. Uh, Matt, do you have one? I
Speaker 1: you know I was gonna do. Uh. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise Stanners, but not. But I have something else.
Speaker 1: It's it's ripe in the culture and I can't speak
Speaker 1: to it. Okay, all right, this is Matt Rodgers's I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, And as time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez critics,
Speaker 1: Let them get They're not, you know what, they've both
Speaker 1: been fucking through it. Let them get their nut with
Speaker 1: each other, if that's what they want to do. If
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez, after all of this, after missing out on
Speaker 1: the Oscar nomination for Hustlers, after these flop therrages, after
Speaker 1: this flop boyfriend Arad, who I'm sorry is a flop,
Speaker 1: let her get her fucking nut. Let her return to
Speaker 1: the guy who gave her her best nut, because guess
Speaker 1: what if that's Ben Affleck, that's fine. And guess what
Speaker 1: look am I like a bed Affleck? Stand? I am not?
Speaker 1: But I don't think so, honey, anyone telling me he
Speaker 1: can't put it down, because I'm bet when he gets
Speaker 1: to it in the bedroom he is a one track mine,
Speaker 1: especially when he has some of those cold brews. You
Speaker 1: see him carrying from the dunkin Donuts. You know the
Speaker 1: guy has slowed up. I don't think so, honey. Anyone
Speaker 1: being like, oh, why is she going back to him? Bitch?
Speaker 1: You know you're not in the bed with them. Let
Speaker 1: her get her fucking nuts, trying from the black like
Speaker 1: Jenny on this cop be a black cock. I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey. Everything else, And that's one man. I'm
Speaker 1: sitting here trying to think of who the funk I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about. And I was fascinated with his toyell
Speaker 1: like that telling you. I'm just saying, like, like people are,
Speaker 1: like they were photographed looking sad together in a fucking
Speaker 1: truck in Montana. I'm like, they're sad because you're following them.
Speaker 1: They're way to get their nuts. They're not smiling yet.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, Yeah, Bowen is shaking his finger. No,
Speaker 1: I'm an agreement. I think you let them figure it out.
Speaker 1: And sometimes these like these crazy just phantoms of love's
Speaker 1: past come come like creeping back into your Those are
Speaker 1: the hottest ones. Honestly all the time. When whenever you
Speaker 1: get out of a relationship, like it's one of the
Speaker 1: it's one of those like things you can't explain, Like
Speaker 1: you do think about your exes and you're like, fuck,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of horny for my ex even if one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why you broke up is because that
Speaker 1: wasn't really popping off you still afterward you miss what
Speaker 1: you had. It's always it's like, well, some I don't
Speaker 1: know my experience anyway. It's just like there are guys
Speaker 1: that I've hooked up with in the past, like years
Speaker 1: and years and years ago, where I was just like
Speaker 1: that was only fine. Now I see them, I'm horny. Really, yes,
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. It's the patina. No,
Speaker 1: I just I look at anybody that I bet, well
Speaker 1: most of them are dad, but the ones that aren't,
Speaker 1: I just kind of go dodge that fucking bullet, like
Speaker 1: thank God, like, oh, I was right, you know that
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah, but sometimes even that
Speaker 1: discussed that, like I was right, like this guy, there's
Speaker 1: there's no one that you're like, oh, the one that
Speaker 1: got away no one, I mean except uncle, except my uncle,
Speaker 1: but that was a different story. But I'm from the South,
Speaker 1: so it's accepted. Well that's how you learned. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: don't use your teeth, kid. Yeah, some of myself, some
Speaker 1: of my worst kids, some of my worst relationships are
Speaker 1: like lacks thereof like terrible like excuses for things. I'm
Speaker 1: like despite myself, I don't know what this is. Again,
Speaker 1: need therapy bad dot com like I need. But sometimes
Speaker 1: I'm just like for that horny, for that bad situation.
Speaker 1: Oh god, that way I gotta think about. For what
Speaker 1: the funk am I going to talk about? Well we
Speaker 1: have we have Bowen Yang's in the interim. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pulling out my ass too. It's fine, don't worry about Okay,
Speaker 1: hot hot, He's pulling alright. So Bowen, here's the deal.
Speaker 1: This right out of your ass? Two on the airwaves
Speaker 1: is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. His time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey. My performance in
Speaker 1: Girls five ever, I watched myself back and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm really gassing it. What am I doing with my mouth?
Speaker 1: Why did I carry? Why did I like why where's
Speaker 1: my center of gravity in this scene? And like why why?
Speaker 1: Like I truly SNL has cursed me. I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: talk about to talk shop and talk about work, and
Speaker 1: I hate like just being like this, but like SNL
Speaker 1: has truly cursed me. I can't do anything but go
Speaker 1: big and I'm I'm only used to reading things off
Speaker 1: of a Q card anywhere else the credits are non
Speaker 1: transferable when you work there. How am I going to
Speaker 1: bring this anywhere else I go? I've been sucked over
Speaker 1: by this, this place of work. I don't know how
Speaker 1: to behave on a normal set. When when like his
Speaker 1: fancy cameras pointed at me, like a steady cameras pointed
Speaker 1: at me or something or a crane or whatever, I
Speaker 1: shut down. I shut down when it's on my coverage,
Speaker 1: I go, wait, I forgot when I'm I forgot how
Speaker 1: to behave Um, So I don't think so many of
Speaker 1: my performance and girls, you were great on it. You
Speaker 1: were so going on that and also the show because
Speaker 1: we would you kind of breeze pass it in the
Speaker 1: beginning because like it's me now, I know you're like
Speaker 1: insecure about it. The show is so I have not
Speaker 1: watched it, but yes, okay, I will put it. It's
Speaker 1: called Girls five ev It's on Peacock. It's about a
Speaker 1: group of women in their forties who there there there
Speaker 1: used to be a pop group and then and then
Speaker 1: they were in the nineties and like a rapper samples
Speaker 1: one of their their one hit song and so it
Speaker 1: gets famous, and so they try to mount a comeback,
Speaker 1: and it's so funny. It's like Tina Fey and Robert
Speaker 1: Carlac executive Meredith Knats a creator are good dear friend,
Speaker 1: Matt Whittaker and Anna Dressing and they wrote for it.
Speaker 1: And I will say this, the cast is unbelievable. I
Speaker 1: love I love everyone, Renee Lease Goldsberry. I have to.
Speaker 1: I have to give it all the way up because
Speaker 1: it's like it's like it's like Jane Kurkowski on thirty Raw,
Speaker 1: but a pop star diva version of it, but the
Speaker 1: grounded and developed in a very good way and with
Speaker 1: with the character and like I gotta say, just like
Speaker 1: being in the room and just watching her give certain
Speaker 1: line means I was like and then just everybody at
Speaker 1: a village sorry again talking shop, everyone at village just
Speaker 1: quietly laughing. I was like, this is like she should
Speaker 1: have been doing this for years. For years, she nailed
Speaker 1: it and there's nothing she can't do, you know. She
Speaker 1: started in soaps, and I actually knew her because I
Speaker 1: was like the little faggot because that was like watching
Speaker 1: all my children with my mother, and so I used
Speaker 1: to watch the daytime Emmy's and one year on the
Speaker 1: Daytime Emmys, they brought out like, here are the soap
Speaker 1: stars that you didn't know could sing, and one of
Speaker 1: them was Renee at Last Goldsberry and her voice was
Speaker 1: so beautiful I never forgot it. So then years decades later,
Speaker 1: when she was in Hamilton's being in jenicas Adelica s Guyler,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I remember her from
Speaker 1: Sucking One Life to Live. Yeah, we made costumes. We
Speaker 1: made costumes for her for Color Purple on Broadway the
Speaker 1: first time because because I worked at a Broadway costume house.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was that. That's where I first was
Speaker 1: introduced to a beautiful girl. She is stunning and she
Speaker 1: is she looks amazing and there's she she I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: she know so much of this comedy. I I could
Speaker 1: do the thing where I say some of the jokes,
Speaker 1: but I won't ruin it for anyone that's listening, like,
Speaker 1: because it's just these jokes are so good and you
Speaker 1: forget how much you miss jokes. I miss jokes and
Speaker 1: comedy shows like. It's fine that people are like, I
Speaker 1: like this sweet show, I like told a fun story.
Speaker 1: I miss jokes. I want jokes. This show gives you jokes.
Speaker 1: Um love it, love it, love it, love it. And
Speaker 1: also the other women are amazing. To Sarah Brella's incredible
Speaker 1: Busy Phillips, we love you, Busy. You gotta come on,
Speaker 1: Paula Pell, You're a fucking icon. I mean, like, it's just,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Anyway, and you were and you were great.
Speaker 1: My sister was the whole guest star of episode six
Speaker 1: and you were stunning. Bitch, you were fab and you're
Speaker 1: very talented young girl, and you have a big future,
Speaker 1: a big future. Thank you. Thank you for your consideration.
Speaker 1: Best supporting actor in a comedy series, Boon Yang. Yes, perfect,
Speaker 1: Now for your conservation and so so now is that
Speaker 1: do we have something? Bianca? Yeah, I think I can
Speaker 1: go with this. I'll try because I really haven't been
Speaker 1: mad at anything at the moment. But yeah, okay, This
Speaker 1: is Bianca del Rio's I don't think so, honey, her sides. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. This whole thing with the
Speaker 1: fucking Kardashians, I'm done with them. First of all forty
Speaker 1: two seasons, this useless family that's taking all this goddamn money.
Speaker 1: The bottom line is that this girl goes and fox
Speaker 1: this guy in a sex tape, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: before that she was actually doing closets for Paris Hilton.
Speaker 1: She makes a fucking sex tape, she becomes a star.
Speaker 1: You don't have any fucking sex tapes I've made, and
Speaker 1: I'm doing this shitty fucking podcast with you. Do you
Speaker 1: understand how fun that that is? Do you know how
Speaker 1: about I've had to take for this situation, Not to mention,
Speaker 1: she gets the whole family involved, and now once a supermodel,
Speaker 1: one's a guru on a book about losing weight when
Speaker 1: everything is fucking plastic. I don't understand this anymore. This
Speaker 1: is where the whole family looks like drag queens with
Speaker 1: lots of money. I don't understand it. But they've become
Speaker 1: the voice of reason. See, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: The problem is now they're having children that are on
Speaker 1: top of this, the children would benefit from this bullshit.
Speaker 1: None of them really have any talent other than sucking dick,
Speaker 1: and they've shown that to us in the videos that exist.
Speaker 1: But I don't understand the insanity and the infastuation with it. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't particularly like them, but I don't spend my
Speaker 1: time going online complaining about them like everybody else does.
Speaker 1: But I also don't want to praise them either, because
Speaker 1: they're useless sucking horse. Those are the people that you
Speaker 1: would see in a clinic and not my style. That's
Speaker 1: that's one minute. That isause I don't think so many
Speaker 1: you know what, it's actually a rule of culture number fourteen.
Speaker 1: Actually before that she was doing. It's true though, and
Speaker 1: it's just it blows my mind that when people go
Speaker 1: like if I say they have no talent, people up,
Speaker 1: they're rich. I go, well, I'm not denying their success.
Speaker 1: Lots of people are successful and can be completely fucking useless.
Speaker 1: Look at Roquel Welch. But in the end, you like
Speaker 1: this bitch, that's a RuPaul reference. That's like way google Roquell. Well,
Speaker 1: but you're safe for us. But it's that kind of
Speaker 1: a thing where everybody's like, but she's pretty sure. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying she's an ugly bitch and with her money,
Speaker 1: she's should look that good. But in the end, I
Speaker 1: don't find that validity or worth or any to give
Speaker 1: me talent. I'd rather be there talent. They're not talented.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's like Bethany Frankel effective not talented. And
Speaker 1: how many shows is she gonna get every fucking day
Speaker 1: new show? Is she the only white bitch that exists? Like?
Speaker 1: What is going on here? She had a show Bravo.
Speaker 1: I'm just I don't get it, because there's so many
Speaker 1: talented people that could be in that position, you know.
Speaker 1: But and we now are dealing with the fact that,
Speaker 1: you know, Caitlyn Jenner is running I will say it again,
Speaker 1: she's running for governor. You should have seen her on
Speaker 1: not that I watched this, but I watched it on
Speaker 1: the Young Turks, like they showed some clips of Caitlin
Speaker 1: Genner on Hannity, and so it was so it was
Speaker 1: so just the first thought, dumb thing you think she's
Speaker 1: gonna say, which is, why do we need a harsh
Speaker 1: speed rare we need or where everyone get on a
Speaker 1: plane like it's like you're a fucking eight out of touch,
Speaker 1: out of touch, and it's fascinating that it's fascinating that
Speaker 1: this is even a topic. And if you say anything,
Speaker 1: someone's like, well, you can't say anything. No, you can.
Speaker 1: You can say I always say people like it doesn't
Speaker 1: affect me if you have a problem with me. But
Speaker 1: if it's a political figure or someone that you're supposed
Speaker 1: to vote for, if this is a person you know
Speaker 1: on a pedestal, yeah, it's gonna be a bit difficult.
Speaker 1: And with someone like that, you're running from governor, for
Speaker 1: Christ's sake. What the fuck? I was I was talking
Speaker 1: to my friend today, I mean, don't you bring back Madonna?
Speaker 1: But like he was bringing up how recently someone asked
Speaker 1: Miley Cyrus about what she thought about what Madonna said about,
Speaker 1: you know, when she was in the tub, being like
Speaker 1: COVID's the great equalizer, Miley, do you agree? And then
Speaker 1: Miley is like, of course whatever, like no, it's not
Speaker 1: because some people have it worth. But then like my
Speaker 1: friend was like, why does that? Why do we care?
Speaker 1: What like Miley and we love Miley Madonna, But it's like,
Speaker 1: but why are they supposed to like be the voice
Speaker 1: of reason, yeah, exactly, or just like just give out
Speaker 1: some like bit of like social commentary when it's like
Speaker 1: they're not empower it's like there are there are people
Speaker 1: who are like vying for it, like let's say Caitlin General,
Speaker 1: Like we should probably examine what they're saying in a
Speaker 1: way that is like that should be examined and not
Speaker 1: like taking cover behind some identity politic thing of like
Speaker 1: well she's trans. It's like that she's a rich white
Speaker 1: woman who is a narcissist and who only cares about
Speaker 1: herself and her money. That's that's just that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1: Like well, don't you saw the whole joke, which was
Speaker 1: like you know that they said that the trans youth
Speaker 1: shouldn't be in the specific you know games, so they
Speaker 1: couldn't have other trans people. But yeah, she performs in
Speaker 1: golf tournaments and she It's like, well, that's the typical
Speaker 1: Republican double standard. But you're she competes against women, girl, girl,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, no, no, no, hot box
Speaker 1: of Christmas ship. That's what that is. It's just the
Speaker 1: fact that we're even discussing it just makes you go
Speaker 1: after we had Trump, We're going down this path another
Speaker 1: reality stock girl by girl. No you say it can't
Speaker 1: get worse, and no, I can't this. I hope this
Speaker 1: runoff thing um with Javin Newsom doesn't. It's like, I mean, Matt,
Speaker 1: you brought it up that it might actually pay, It
Speaker 1: might actually create some opportunity for Caitlin Well, because this
Speaker 1: is the really all it really comes down to is
Speaker 1: what it always comes down to, is just us that
Speaker 1: if it does. If this is the case, then people
Speaker 1: just need to go out there and vote, And if
Speaker 1: people go out there and vote, then the numbers won't lie.
Speaker 1: More people are there's just a lot more Democrats in
Speaker 1: California than there are Republicans. I guess. I just hope
Speaker 1: that people that are critical of of Newsom, which you know,
Speaker 1: there are many reasons to be many valid reasons to
Speaker 1: be critical of Gavin Newsom. You know, it could be
Speaker 1: much much worse, and I hope that people that are
Speaker 1: critical of him just understand that, Um, you know, we
Speaker 1: could get ourselves into a very bad situation if we
Speaker 1: sucked this up. So that's that's that's all, without a doubt,
Speaker 1: without a doubt. Um, but Jesus Christ, I mean this episode, Bow,
Speaker 1: what a fantastic episode. How who who are the lucky
Speaker 1: Fucker's it's us, It's rolling through. It was like a
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Speaker 1: think I've just said two episodes, so I I know
Speaker 1: they've got some stuff work that. I'm not sure what
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Speaker 1: but I'm excited to for the best. Yeah, because I
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Speaker 1: I had some like really we had to like they
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Speaker 1: were because our characters are friends and I. I've listened
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Speaker 1: haven't heard anything yet. I'm excited. Yeah, that's good. It's
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Speaker 1: so so much for coming here and doing this, and bowen.
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