Speaker 1: Hello, Hello guys. It's Devin Simone and I'm Davon Rogers
Speaker 1: and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. Who whoo, we
Speaker 1: are here. So glad. I know you guys were glad
Speaker 1: to hear Tory enemy, so we told y'all it's a foursome. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, they're here. They're still in the family. It's
Speaker 1: not either or it's all of us. So glad that
Speaker 1: they're back in the mix. So glad that we are
Speaker 1: here with you guys, and excited to talk about this
Speaker 1: week's episode, and really excited about this week's guest. But
Speaker 1: before we reveal to you this week's guest is um,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the episode. Day. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts. This episode was so good because we're
Speaker 1: pretty much at the final, so everybody is itching, okay,
Speaker 1: and you can see it. The paranoia is out of control,
Speaker 1: everybody's paranoia. Johnny is winning challenges and he looks scared
Speaker 1: by the way. Yes, everybody is walking on eggshells because
Speaker 1: at this point they can taste that the final is
Speaker 1: right there, right right, And and it's true. I forgot
Speaker 1: who said it in this episode, but they said the
Speaker 1: worst thing than getting eliminated the first week is getting
Speaker 1: eliminated the week before the final or like the last one.
Speaker 1: And that's true because it's like you've come, you've been
Speaker 1: through hell and back and you've come all that way
Speaker 1: to go home, which is wild. And we really see
Speaker 1: a fear in Bananas at a certain point. Now we've
Speaker 1: heard on the back end. We talked about it a
Speaker 1: little bit on the podcast that Banana's strategy may or
Speaker 1: may not have been for them to kind of lay
Speaker 1: low in the dailies in the early weeks and then
Speaker 1: to really kind of like ratchet it up and like
Speaker 1: you know, pull out all the stops towards the end.
Speaker 1: So now we see them winning dailies all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: they weren't doing that before. He seems to think that
Speaker 1: no one realizes he hasn't been thrown in. Meanwhile, Editor's
Speaker 1: cut to every clip with everybody talking about the fact
Speaker 1: that he hasn't gone in. So, yeah, it's it's hench
Speaker 1: interesting to see that dynamic. What did you think about
Speaker 1: the daily they had to do? How do you think
Speaker 1: you would have done? I wouldn't have made it. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have made it. How would listen to me, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have made it, like I'd have been sitting there
Speaker 1: like if me and Josh really would have went through
Speaker 1: with this thing, oh baby, it would have mad. I
Speaker 1: could I couldn't survived. You know, I don't know who
Speaker 1: my writer dies male partner would be honestly, um, weirdly enough,
Speaker 1: the closest first, the firston I'm closest to you probably
Speaker 1: of the challenge. You guys would be chet. That's weird.
Speaker 1: We not we wouldn't have survived that. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like cold water, but I'm pretty I feel like,
Speaker 1: which seems to be a Devin trend. I'm pretty good
Speaker 1: at strategizing and memory, so I do feel like that
Speaker 1: part would have been good. I just the cold water thing,
Speaker 1: and see that's the thing. My memory is a one.
Speaker 1: But baby, you put me in that water and it's
Speaker 1: the cord over the moon. I forgot right. Yeah that
Speaker 1: was that was a lot and evil and like it
Speaker 1: looked like torture, Like who comes up with these things?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that just because it's already like coldish looking
Speaker 1: out there anyway, we see him in coats and layers
Speaker 1: and then you got to be in that like maybe
Speaker 1: on a hot summer's day, but just seemed painful. But
Speaker 1: they managed to kill it. Tory and Devin, you know,
Speaker 1: just got up. They were like, oh this time in
Speaker 1: and just handled business like nobody's business. Did such a
Speaker 1: great job. Then we get down to the deliberation of
Speaker 1: it all. Just a lot, a lot was going on
Speaker 1: this episode. Who do you give your gold star of
Speaker 1: the week? Two? And if you have a time out
Speaker 1: of the week, who do you give that too? As well?
Speaker 1: You know what this particular episode, surprisingly, I don't have
Speaker 1: a timeout person. No one made me feel like you
Speaker 1: didn't go sit in a corner child. Nobody made me
Speaker 1: feel like that. No one made me feel like that
Speaker 1: this particular episode. And my gold star I have two
Speaker 1: people actually three, but like one is like, okay, so
Speaker 1: who are the three contenders? And then tell us who
Speaker 1: the winners? Okaya? Oh, first of all, it's Olivia and
Speaker 1: Harassio as a package you deal. I give them my
Speaker 1: gold star just because they killed it this season. They
Speaker 1: killed it this and when TJ told them that they
Speaker 1: were going to the final the look on their faces
Speaker 1: after all that they had to go through, constantly being
Speaker 1: put in there and showing that look, I can do this.
Speaker 1: I'm here to fight, I'm here to play, I'm here
Speaker 1: to win. And then finally getting the opportunity to compete
Speaker 1: with these heavy hitter Challenge legends. You know what I
Speaker 1: mean in a final. I think it's just the amazing
Speaker 1: rookie story for them. Now, this one is gonna blow
Speaker 1: y'all mind. Okay, y'all know I have since I got baptized,
Speaker 1: since I've been delivered, I've developed a soft spot for
Speaker 1: I've become real sensitive and I don't really like it,
Speaker 1: but it's there. Right, I've become real EXPLUSI and so
Speaker 1: my gold star this week goes to Bessie. Here's why.
Speaker 1: You know what? Okay, please explain, Please explain your case.
Speaker 1: Here's why. When him and Mariah were eliminated, right, he
Speaker 1: says in his confessional, I couldn't have made it this
Speaker 1: far without her. Now, the when when he said that,
Speaker 1: and how he said it, the tone in his voice,
Speaker 1: and just looking in his face, I felt that there
Speaker 1: was a sense of sincerity there, and I felt like
Speaker 1: he really got it at that point that he needed
Speaker 1: her and she was the reason he got as far
Speaker 1: as he did, even like saying he's so proud of
Speaker 1: her and calling her a champ and how he was
Speaker 1: hyping her up. Devin is giving me all the faces
Speaker 1: right now, y'all, But it really touched my little heart
Speaker 1: to hear him speak of her that way because it's
Speaker 1: like finally, you know, and so he gets my goal star.
Speaker 1: Those three getting my goal star this week. Speaking of touched,
Speaker 1: you listeners are challenged, fam y'all were really touched by
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks episodes ago with josh On there.
Speaker 1: I have never seen more tweets, beefs, Reddit posts. You
Speaker 1: guys really feel a type of just wild. To me,
Speaker 1: it is absolutely wild. I can't say how many um
Speaker 1: dms I got. One was from a numinum I'm probably
Speaker 1: not saying that right. But who was happy that we
Speaker 1: called out josh Cody lmfao on Instagram also was happy
Speaker 1: that we called out Joshua. There was just a lot
Speaker 1: going on in in that So wow, you guys really
Speaker 1: feel a certain way about a very interesting Now, look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let y'all and Davon handle that. You can
Speaker 1: go find her on Twitter. Now we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about my gold Stars and my time out. So for
Speaker 1: gold Star I'd have to say, um, my nominees are
Speaker 1: Olivia and Arassio because yeah, I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know that we've really seen this kind of showing
Speaker 1: of a rookie rookie pair in seasons, if not ever,
Speaker 1: like really just outstanding Anne. They come in still with
Speaker 1: an element of grace, which I think is really the bonus,
Speaker 1: like meaning they know they've been voted in, they know
Speaker 1: there's a lack of loyalty, but they don't come back
Speaker 1: with like a huge chip on their shoulder. They come
Speaker 1: in ready to suit up and play, and I think
Speaker 1: that's so good. I think that's really hard for any
Speaker 1: of us to do. So they are my nominees for
Speaker 1: gold Star of the Week as well as Tory and Devin.
Speaker 1: I mean, they crushed it in the Daily Challenge, so
Speaker 1: good I think. Ultimately though, I'm going to give it well.
Speaker 1: And one other nominee is Nani Nani and her footwork.
Speaker 1: Props of bananas for making that elimination look easy. Nanni
Speaker 1: for really getting it done, especially with all that she
Speaker 1: was going through at the loss of her mom, and
Speaker 1: then you know Casey being out of the game. That
Speaker 1: is a strong, strong woman, So all three of them.
Speaker 1: Props to you guys, strong contenders. I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to give it to Olivia and Arassioo as my
Speaker 1: official goat stars, you guys well deserved. And then for
Speaker 1: my Time Out of the Week. Okay, I have two
Speaker 1: nominees and one clear winner. One of my nominees is Fessie.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that momentarily. The other nominee is Devin
Speaker 1: for going back on his bromance with Bananas. Now I
Speaker 1: understand why he would think that he should throw on Banas,
Speaker 1: because Bananas really does pull some stricks out his sleeve
Speaker 1: when it comes to the final, So I understand why
Speaker 1: he's like, we can't let this man get to a final,
Speaker 1: but it just seems a little shady. But he doesn't
Speaker 1: do it if what we're seeing is, you know it
Speaker 1: just but still even talking about it that like that amount.
Speaker 1: If I were watching it back, I might feel a
Speaker 1: type of way. But that's okay. Because he didn't win
Speaker 1: the Time of the Week. Fessel won the Time of
Speaker 1: the Week, and this is why, and kind of Mariah too,
Speaker 1: but mainly Fessel and Maria's yes, yes, this is why.
Speaker 1: Because the lovey dovey thing that we see at the
Speaker 1: end where he's like, I never could have done it
Speaker 1: without her. Boy, you're lying. We know you're lying because
Speaker 1: we've seen her other interviews and now we've seen what's
Speaker 1: been happening on social media also and even Mariah being
Speaker 1: like he's so great and wonderful. Like I get he
Speaker 1: was standing right there, but you know you didn't like
Speaker 1: him anymore, Like you know at that point you already
Speaker 1: said he was being mean to you in the house,
Speaker 1: like both of y'all lack consists, didn see and for
Speaker 1: that reason, you need to go sit in the corner
Speaker 1: and think about what you've done. I rolled my eyes
Speaker 1: so hard I almost got a headache when I watched
Speaker 1: that piece of them being like, oh, I couldn't have
Speaker 1: gotten as far with out. It's the perfect team. I'm
Speaker 1: so proud. But also let it be known, put it
Speaker 1: on the record, Okay. Bessie keeps wanting to say after
Speaker 1: the show right that he brought Mariah on, that she
Speaker 1: owes him. That was also Josh's terrible, but argument, but
Speaker 1: his was an argument that like, he created this opportunity
Speaker 1: for Mariah. However, Bessie, out of his own mouth, says,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have gotten this far without you, So, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, that cancels it out. You can't keep holding
Speaker 1: over her head that you're the reason she's on the
Speaker 1: show when she's the reason we're behind. Wasn't cut in
Speaker 1: episode three. Okay, that's all I'm gonna say. So therefore
Speaker 1: you get to sit out time out in the corner.
Speaker 1: I have no real feelings about it. I'm not passionate,
Speaker 1: if you can tell um. Overall though, just a mess.
Speaker 1: See this is why she's friends like Josh is now
Speaker 1: this episode, You guys, we've been waiting for it. We've
Speaker 1: had questions all season for this person. Okay, we know
Speaker 1: she too illicit strong emotion from some of you. Tory
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Anne, Okay, that's not her real middle to deal
Speaker 1: is the guest on today's episode. And let me just
Speaker 1: tell you this little thing about Tory. Okay, I know
Speaker 1: that in the past, she may not have always made
Speaker 1: the best challenge game moves, and some people didn't like
Speaker 1: her for that. Some people, you know, may have thought
Speaker 1: she was manipula or whatever. But I've met a lot
Speaker 1: of people in my lifetime. I've interviewed a lot of
Speaker 1: people in my lifetime, and Tori is one of the
Speaker 1: most genuine people I have ever met. When I met
Speaker 1: her for the first time to do an interview is
Speaker 1: the first time I'd ever actually met her. We were
Speaker 1: doing an aftermath and we were talking about the reunion
Speaker 1: that was like coming up or something, and she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I think you're so great. She's like, I
Speaker 1: really would love it if you hosted the reader like
Speaker 1: I think you know, me and a bunch of challengers
Speaker 1: think you should host the reunion. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's really sweet. She's like, you know, you know we
Speaker 1: were I have the people that I've spoken to and
Speaker 1: the reunions in the past, is what Tory was saying.
Speaker 1: She's like, let me get you in contact. That was
Speaker 1: so sweet of her. We had only just met, and
Speaker 1: think of all the people you meet in your life
Speaker 1: who tell you things like I'm rooting for you or
Speaker 1: oh I want to help you out, but then don't
Speaker 1: do it. Tori pulled up her phone right then and
Speaker 1: there and said, let me send you this message. This
Speaker 1: is who you should at least try and talk to,
Speaker 1: because I think you should do You should host three
Speaker 1: years And that was just so sweet. She didn't have
Speaker 1: to do that. That is a genuine person. That is
Speaker 1: a genuine person who's true and true, and so I'm
Speaker 1: excited for those of you who haven't seen that side
Speaker 1: of it to get to see that side of it
Speaker 1: with her. You know, we asked the questions, even though
Speaker 1: we love her, were gonna be nosy. So you know,
Speaker 1: Dayvon and I ask her on the questions you've been
Speaker 1: wanting to know. Okay, about the terrorist comment, about where
Speaker 1: the relationship stands, now, about anything else that happened in
Speaker 1: the house regarding her and Jordan that we didn't see,
Speaker 1: and she answers at all. She doesn't hold back. So
Speaker 1: this is going to be an episode to listen to Bookmarket,
Speaker 1: listen to it over and over, clean the house to it,
Speaker 1: tell your friends, do whatever. But you're not gonna want
Speaker 1: to miss it. So we're gonna go to commercial breakfully quick,
Speaker 1: grab us Nat, get nice and cozy and comfy, and
Speaker 1: get ready for this amazing interview with Tory. Deal right
Speaker 1: after this, I sort of want to start singing Miss
Speaker 1: America now that she's back. I don't know why. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's sort of like I forgot what the
Speaker 1: movie with Sandra Bullo kids, but it sort of references
Speaker 1: to that. But either way, yes, one of my favorites back.
Speaker 1: She is here. We have missed her, so we have
Speaker 1: done our best to keep her spirit alive. And yes
Speaker 1: we have read the comments where y'all are like, where
Speaker 1: is Tory. She is here. She's booked and busy, had
Speaker 1: a lot of things going on. She is still our
Speaker 1: co host and sister in the podcast, but today she
Speaker 1: ain't co hosting nothing. He being an interview because she's
Speaker 1: a hot seat. Welcome to Oh guys, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for having me. I'm so happy to be back.
Speaker 1: I missed you guys so much. Thank you for holding
Speaker 1: it down. You guys have been doing an incredible job.
Speaker 1: No matter how fast you talk, you have been absolutely no.
Speaker 1: You guys have been crushing it really so I'm just
Speaker 1: happy to be back. Thank you so much. We are
Speaker 1: super excited to have you here, not just because we
Speaker 1: love you and you are a co host, but also because, girl,
Speaker 1: there have been story right day, storyline after storyline about
Speaker 1: Tori this season. You are v it girl. This season
Speaker 1: the topic of discussion is you, and honestly, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you're here because there are a lot of questions that
Speaker 1: we have that only you can answer. Like we were
Speaker 1: trying to pick Anissa, but she's not you. She's close
Speaker 1: to you, but she's not you. We can't pick Jordan,
Speaker 1: where are you Jordan? We can't him, And so it's
Speaker 1: like there are only things that you can answer, and
Speaker 1: so I'm so glad to have you here so you
Speaker 1: can share your truth. Oh, thank you. Yeah, thanks for
Speaker 1: holding space for me. And I know you guys are
Speaker 1: relentless but also but also genuine, So I trust that
Speaker 1: this is gonna be you know, nice and relaxing. You know,
Speaker 1: our question I don't know about relaxing, but by the end,
Speaker 1: our questions come from a genuinely good and place and
Speaker 1: so so it's really us just wanting to know, trying
Speaker 1: to ask what our listeners would ask. And you know,
Speaker 1: I see the d ms from them. I know that
Speaker 1: they're curious too, so excited to get into this episode. Also,
Speaker 1: this was a good episode. Yeah, like this was a
Speaker 1: really interesting episode. We will get into that, but first,
Speaker 1: can we talk. So I think we're gonna yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go back and forth. Just bear with this. We're
Speaker 1: gonna bounce around because there is so much to talk about.
Speaker 1: I actually think since it's top of mind, let's get
Speaker 1: into the episode first and then we will go back
Speaker 1: and ask you some questions about you and a certain
Speaker 1: someone who called your terrorist. Okay, now, so talk So
Speaker 1: I laugh, girl, I love you, but I laughed. That
Speaker 1: was actually hilarious as hail when he pulled that out. Um,
Speaker 1: but let's talk about this daily. First of all, congratulations
Speaker 1: on the wind, yes, but what exactly, like, what do
Speaker 1: you think was the hardest part and what was you
Speaker 1: all strategy for winning that? Yeah, so you know, after
Speaker 1: we talked to everybody, obviously we won and I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: We probably won the whole thing within like three trips
Speaker 1: and it was really it was really, no, it was
Speaker 1: it was five trips, okay, because it was the amount
Speaker 1: of sides. Okay, let me explain this. As complicated as
Speaker 1: it was to watch, it was even harder to understand
Speaker 1: and it's going to be even more difficult to try
Speaker 1: to explain it to you. But this is basically what
Speaker 1: we did. Each block you saw three of them. Instead
Speaker 1: of trying to memorize one block at a time, we
Speaker 1: memorized each side of a different block. So so we
Speaker 1: worked on the same sides every time, which made it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which made it less complicated because you didn't And that
Speaker 1: wasn't my strategy, I cannot you guys around. It was
Speaker 1: Devin's strategy. Like he is. He is one of those
Speaker 1: people when he was smart. He is, Oh, he is
Speaker 1: so smart. That is like his best quality about being
Speaker 1: a challenger and like the thing that he gets overlooked
Speaker 1: for all the time. People think, oh, you know, all
Speaker 1: these accolades, all this strength, all this endurance, but when
Speaker 1: you have strategy, if it's locked in, you can't beat it.
Speaker 1: And he is the best strategist in my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so good. That's actually so brilliant, Davon. Do you think
Speaker 1: you would have thought of that? Like, that's actually because
Speaker 1: it would simplifies it because what we saw on the
Speaker 1: clip right where people getting confused. They'd be like, wait,
Speaker 1: this one's pointing which side, and then this thing's pointing
Speaker 1: this side, and they seem to be thrown off by
Speaker 1: that day. Do you think you would have thought of
Speaker 1: that in the moment, would have made it pass the
Speaker 1: water let's just dig hey, because that would have been
Speaker 1: I would have made it. Josh would have been like okay,
Speaker 1: So Davon, I'd have been like, what what better? What
Speaker 1: side I'd have been like, Jos, why don't you just
Speaker 1: run both and like talk to yourself to do it?
Speaker 1: Like it looks like it was a freezing cold. I
Speaker 1: do want to add what was it? What was the
Speaker 1: weather like that day? Was it hot or was cold too? No,
Speaker 1: it was definitely like you see us every single night
Speaker 1: were bundled up. During the day, it was a little
Speaker 1: bit warmer, but like it's like a pretty it's it's
Speaker 1: like a fall day, and a lot of us were sick,
Speaker 1: like you can't really see it, but like I think
Speaker 1: I had really bad diarrhea that day, Like okay, I'm
Speaker 1: really sorry. I'm telling you. Every time I saw Victorious
Speaker 1: a diarhia conversation. So I was like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: like I was not and I wasn't the only one,
Speaker 1: Like there was something going around. We were not okay,
Speaker 1: so um yeah, to go in a nice bath, like
Speaker 1: I think you hear me say it in my OTF.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, this is really not what anybody
Speaker 1: wanted to do today. But you know, once that TJ
Speaker 1: blows at horn, you don't think you go. So did
Speaker 1: it help your diarrhea? Like, you know what the wind set?
Speaker 1: Surely did, the wind actually did. Yeah, I was feeling better.
Speaker 1: I like, and how long were you guys? Do you
Speaker 1: think you guys were actually sitting each time that you
Speaker 1: were submerged in the ice bath, like doing your new side.
Speaker 1: How long because obviously, because they can't play the whole
Speaker 1: thing and editing, it doesn't seem like you're sitting in
Speaker 1: the water that long. But how long do you think
Speaker 1: you guys were actually in I think less than thirty seconds? Okay,
Speaker 1: it depends. Like me and Devon were in and out,
Speaker 1: like the communication, we knew what He didn't have to
Speaker 1: explain to me what side we were working on because
Speaker 1: we had it all mapped out immediately, So I think
Speaker 1: that saved us time. But some people were definitely in
Speaker 1: there for at least a minute. Yeah, you can't create
Speaker 1: the blueprint in the ice water. You have to do
Speaker 1: it before. Yeah, it's that point. And we could see
Speaker 1: a lot of people were in the water trying to strategize,
Speaker 1: Like he was chilling in that water. Bessie had his
Speaker 1: arms up like he was in a lazy boy chair
Speaker 1: on the show. Too. They were real comfortable in the
Speaker 1: water too. Yeah. Yeah, I know we're celebrating your wind,
Speaker 1: but I do want to take a moment to honor
Speaker 1: our sister, miss Anissa, because she won back to back
Speaker 1: and I know that's your bess friend. How did that
Speaker 1: feel seeing her with the back to back wins, Dude, incredible? Like,
Speaker 1: and you hear her have that opening conversation with Jordan
Speaker 1: and talking about like she feels this is her redemption season.
Speaker 1: People count her out all the time, and when Jordan
Speaker 1: and her were talking and they said, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any team that would want to see us down
Speaker 1: there on the sand. I firmly believe that Anissa has
Speaker 1: taken out champ Over champ Over, like Casey is a champ,
Speaker 1: Amber was a champ Like these are people that she's
Speaker 1: incredible competitors that she's won, and Jordan is obviously, I mean,
Speaker 1: we already know he's one of the greatest. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that they're incredible team. I love. I love
Speaker 1: that for her. I'm so happy for her and I too.
Speaker 1: I love the communication between you and Devon. However, I
Speaker 1: do want to know why is it that when he
Speaker 1: brought up the idea of throwing in bananas. You were hesitant.
Speaker 1: Why wasn't that a situation for you? Yeah, because, like
Speaker 1: I get it, Bananas is a seven time champ. I'm
Speaker 1: also really close with Nannie and that didn't feel right
Speaker 1: to me. But also aside from relationships, let's just talk
Speaker 1: about the minifinal. Like, Devin and I were the second
Speaker 1: place team in the minifinal, and we were so far
Speaker 1: behind Fessie and Mariah, like so far every other team.
Speaker 1: We were like, okay, we could see them, we know
Speaker 1: where they are. We were at the last checkpoint and
Speaker 1: Fessie and Mariah were finished. So if I'm just focusing
Speaker 1: on strategy alone and I want to win, then what
Speaker 1: am I talking about? Yeah? I get that. It seemed
Speaker 1: too like do you really believe that? Because I feel
Speaker 1: like the editors were trying to psych us out. Also
Speaker 1: shout out to the editors for a couple of the
Speaker 1: shady things that they did. Just got to do a rundown,
Speaker 1: which is great. I love seeing the evolution of the
Speaker 1: love story between Bananas and Devine and you know, writing
Speaker 1: notes and laughing. It was like a nineteen seventies sitcom montage.
Speaker 1: I also loved the evolution of the titles of Wes
Speaker 1: on his call with Devi and I believe you know,
Speaker 1: he was initially described as Banana's best friend ever, then
Speaker 1: Banana's life coach, and then at the end they labeled
Speaker 1: him scumbag. So just that was all throughout that call.
Speaker 1: Go back and rewatch it but hilarious shout out to
Speaker 1: that love them. But do you think when we saw
Speaker 1: you in deliberation dressed like some power couple whose kid
Speaker 1: attended a wealthy private school. I mean, you guys were
Speaker 1: giving straight mom and dad vibes in a beautiful I mean,
Speaker 1: the cheekbones were popping. Love the hair may ask you
Speaker 1: to do my wedding hair now, we'll talk about it later.
Speaker 1: And Devin in a suit and a blazer amazing. But
Speaker 1: y'all definitely gave mom and dad vibes. But in that moment,
Speaker 1: did you really think that Devin was potentially going to
Speaker 1: turn on his now bestie or you know, challenge lover
Speaker 1: Bananas like or was that just kind of game? No?
Speaker 1: I think, like, and like, what after everybody left the
Speaker 1: room in deliberation, we all we sit there and we
Speaker 1: talk again, right, And I was genuine when I was
Speaker 1: like telling him, I feel like, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: believe you every time you talk, So what time are
Speaker 1: you being honest? Like when in and so I think
Speaker 1: that like he was probably processing it too, and so
Speaker 1: as he's he's still figuring it out. In my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, is obvious, we're going to go FESSI Mariah.
Speaker 1: But the fact that he's still calculating everything, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just the way he plays the game. He really
Speaker 1: does want to like go down every possibility to decide
Speaker 1: what he thinks is going to be the best. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of those people when he talks,
Speaker 1: you just like I just believe him. And Also, we
Speaker 1: totally looked like newscasters and literally before we even did
Speaker 1: our intro to to interview everybody, we were acting like
Speaker 1: we did an entire fake newscast. So I'm just bummed.
Speaker 1: I'm bummed that they didn't put that in there. I mean,
Speaker 1: i'd say very stylish newscasters say, if anything, think that
Speaker 1: was the cheap glove was extra for NEWSCASTI Um, it's
Speaker 1: interesting you say that every time Devin talks you believe him.
Speaker 1: And because you guys are really really close, you guys
Speaker 1: share a duck together, you co parent, and you guys
Speaker 1: have expressed that you really are ride or Die friends.
Speaker 1: So is it that he's just constantly joking around? Like
Speaker 1: because you know, usually when people think of like bestie's
Speaker 1: close friends, it's kind of like sometimes they even say
Speaker 1: like almost like telepathy, right, like you know, kind of
Speaker 1: just like where their head is, what they're thinking. And
Speaker 1: it sounds like for you, even as close as you
Speaker 1: are with Devin, you're kind of forever like okay, what
Speaker 1: are you wait? What is this move? Where are you joking?
Speaker 1: Are you being serious? So is it that he jokes
Speaker 1: around a lot? Is it that he changes his mind
Speaker 1: a lot? What do you think it is? No? I
Speaker 1: think that like he I think like, okay, like what
Speaker 1: what's said on the phone call. I think Devin will
Speaker 1: do whatever is in his best interest, right um, And
Speaker 1: that's the way everybody should play the game. So I
Speaker 1: don't fault anybody who's played it like that against me either,
Speaker 1: because you're playing for a lot of money. But I
Speaker 1: do think that like sometimes when he's trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what is the best scenario, like he'll he'll put
Speaker 1: up ideas that like I would just never be okay
Speaker 1: with like I would not be okay with saying Naughty's name,
Speaker 1: and the fact that he genuinely was like, I want
Speaker 1: to take out bananas potentially, I'm like, I have to
Speaker 1: now live out that scenario too, right, it was, so
Speaker 1: I just, yeah, it took us a minute to like
Speaker 1: finally come to our groove. But I don't know if
Speaker 1: you want a little bit of tea. But girl, hello,
Speaker 1: you know how we do things here. You're probably family. Yes,
Speaker 1: our decision was made obviously based on performance alone, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't just that if it came to our attention
Speaker 1: that if Fessie and Mariah were in power, they were
Speaker 1: going to say our name. And Olivia told us that
Speaker 1: because Olivia heard it from Maria. So the whole thing
Speaker 1: kind of yeah, And I love Olivia. I don't mean
Speaker 1: to like throw like she played at a fantastic game.
Speaker 1: Like you're supposed, absolutely, you're supposed to disclose certain information
Speaker 1: if it's you, if if if you just met somebody,
Speaker 1: you just met somebody, if you've been friends with somebody
Speaker 1: for a long time. I don't know, maybe it's a
Speaker 1: little different, But when you're playing a game for the
Speaker 1: first time. In my opinion, this close, all bets are off.
Speaker 1: So yeah, she kind of made it easier for us
Speaker 1: to be like okay, and we actually had to sit
Speaker 1: down conversation Devin, Fessi, Mariah and I and we talked
Speaker 1: to Fessi. We were like, we're gonna throw you guys
Speaker 1: in because if you guys had power, you would throw
Speaker 1: us in. And they were like, I mean like, they
Speaker 1: didn't say no, they didn't. Yeah, they didn't. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so what are we talking about here? Like,
Speaker 1: did Banana's ever find out that his lover, I mean,
Speaker 1: he had two lovers in the house obviously, Maria and Devin.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he was cooking breakfast for Devin too.
Speaker 1: If not, Devin should definitely complain about that. But did
Speaker 1: Banana's ever find out that Devin was really considering putting
Speaker 1: him in at any point? Or is that is he
Speaker 1: gonna find out now? Right? I think I think he
Speaker 1: just found out. Yeah, okay, But the whole plan, it
Speaker 1: was amazingly executed, right, it worked out perfect, right, he said,
Speaker 1: in two big teams. With the situation with Anissa and Olivia,
Speaker 1: the conversations that they were having, I do want to know?
Speaker 1: Because Devin is so calculated and you guys are partners
Speaker 1: and Anisa is your best friend, did you too have
Speaker 1: a hand in that? So actually, if Anisa pulled the dagger,
Speaker 1: she wasn't going to save Olivia. She was going to
Speaker 1: save Nannie. Yeah, and yeah that's a fact for sure.
Speaker 1: Did Olivia know that? I don't think. I mean, Olivia
Speaker 1: came up to me and you know, she asked me like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, we're going to save them, Like you see
Speaker 1: this Rossio and Olivia conversation where Rossio was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well you know obviously it's Tori and Devin are gonna
Speaker 1: want to save Anissa in Jordans. So if we say
Speaker 1: we're going to protect them, maybe we get them to
Speaker 1: tell a Nisa and George, which is smart, Yeah, which
Speaker 1: is totally smart. But I told Olivia straight up, I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: you're competing against years of friendship, Like it's just not
Speaker 1: going to happen. And so yeah, I mean Anissa and
Speaker 1: Jordan we're going to save Naannia bananas for sure. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah that's good. I mean, but I feel like Olivia
Speaker 1: would have forgiven her though for all those times she
Speaker 1: forgave Nelson, you know, I mean, I'm just saying. I
Speaker 1: mean she wasn't. She seemed very forgiving. I feel like
Speaker 1: she would have forgiven Anissa, but came down to that
Speaker 1: before did snuggling and rubbing her down though, So I
Speaker 1: mean it's a difference for that. We saw that we
Speaker 1: saw Okay, we did see that tight lean in. We
Speaker 1: saw a lean in when they were out at the club, okay,
Speaker 1: in a slow face touch. And also if you wind
Speaker 1: it back, there was a moment that Anissa was posted
Speaker 1: up behind somebody's behind that was jiggling. Now I couldn't
Speaker 1: fully identify who's behind it was, but when I looked,
Speaker 1: it seemed like I sound like my father right now
Speaker 1: a way, it seemed like it was Olivia that was
Speaker 1: working on a Nissa, so one could say that they
Speaker 1: too had a bond. I think it was. But wait,
Speaker 1: it was you working in? Was me? Like? Okay, dud
Speaker 1: we remember throwing it back and seeing any throwing it back,
Speaker 1: not Yes, we do need to make this podcast visual,
Speaker 1: all right, Yes, just throw it back now. I like
Speaker 1: that You're not asking a circle um back, but a
Speaker 1: lot going on. Just when I thought Harassio's hair was
Speaker 1: the sexiest thing about this show. No, it is Tory
Speaker 1: throwing it back on Anissa. Oh, I will say Anissa
Speaker 1: has that effect on people, like I feel like there
Speaker 1: is something about Anisa. We almost foe made out on
Speaker 1: free agents. They play like a two second glimpse of it,
Speaker 1: thankfully for my parents' sake. Um, but she has she
Speaker 1: has like a bibe magnetic, which is so great. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now let's get to this elimination. When you walk
Speaker 1: up and you see it, what are your thoughts elevator? Honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's obviously climbing, it's high, there's ropes,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I didn't realize, you know that those beams
Speaker 1: that you use weren't actually going to be secured in
Speaker 1: and you kind of see me have that or you
Speaker 1: hear me have that realization, like they slip out so easily.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that could have been I don't
Speaker 1: even know how I would have done in that. I
Speaker 1: think it looked fun initially, it looked it lasted for
Speaker 1: like forty five minutes. And see that's where I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you, See, I like elimination challenges like
Speaker 1: that where you have to restart and do it again,
Speaker 1: because I feel personally, the more you do it, the
Speaker 1: better you get. Yeah, right with some people, right, because
Speaker 1: I don't think that was not with somebody who were
Speaker 1: the people you're you're you're specifying that it doesn't apply
Speaker 1: to you. I wasn't really working with you, Fessie, And
Speaker 1: I didn't want to say it because everybody thinks we
Speaker 1: pick on FESSI, But that really wasn't working in his favor.
Speaker 1: Now do you guys think it didn't work in his
Speaker 1: favor because he stacked or his height or like what
Speaker 1: do you think worked against him? I think it was weight.
Speaker 1: I think just strictly he is. And also you could
Speaker 1: see like Bananas had moments where once it got to
Speaker 1: a certain point, Bananas really had to depend on his
Speaker 1: flexibility and reached down and like Fessi, once he got
Speaker 1: into like rung four, Yeah, like that lean back. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if he had the hamstring
Speaker 1: flexibility for it, or I don't even know what muscle required.
Speaker 1: But well, that being that tall too, because that center
Speaker 1: of gravity for Bessie would be harder, right because he
Speaker 1: is so tall that like it shifts, whereas bananas. You know,
Speaker 1: when he told Nanni, like, come here, jump up here,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking he ain't got to jump that far, like
Speaker 1: his center of gravity is lower, so that's probably an advantage, right,
Speaker 1: I would guess. I thought her technique, Nanni's technique of
Speaker 1: rolling the poll up as opposed to trying to pull
Speaker 1: it and accidentally letting this slip, was Oh that's smart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she is rolling it up. That was, and then less
Speaker 1: acknowledge her foot catch right because girl, I was like, Okay, Nannie,
Speaker 1: I'll see you. She's bad people. She's back. She's got
Speaker 1: some circus tricks over there. I don't know what she
Speaker 1: in casey, I know she's one out the resume time
Speaker 1: about gymnas, you know, cheerleader, all state, best friends with
Speaker 1: Gabby Douglas whatever, like she hadn't going on my name.
Speaker 1: All right, Before we go any further, we gotta pay
Speaker 1: our bills, so we're gonna take a quick break, but
Speaker 1: we'll be right back with even more tea after this.
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you for making it to the final.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the teams. It's stacked. Okay, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about you and Devin up against these particular
Speaker 1: set of people because these teams are stack stacked. Like
Speaker 1: usually you'll have some throwaways and we're like, oh, these
Speaker 1: people they're layups. Gut, I'm a layup too, or at
Speaker 1: least that's what's been said. But it's stacked. So how
Speaker 1: do you how how are you feeling? Um? Yeah, intimidated.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm not alone, like I'm
Speaker 1: with Devin and I am. I compete the best when
Speaker 1: I'm with a partner, well pretty much just when I'm
Speaker 1: with him, because he knows how to talk to me
Speaker 1: and he balances me out as a challenger. I'm not
Speaker 1: the person that's going up to a puzzle and like
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes I can, but it's not my best
Speaker 1: attribute to walk up to it and just know how
Speaker 1: to solve it. Devin's one of those people, and so
Speaker 1: with that being my biggest weakness, that being his biggest strength. Together,
Speaker 1: I just feel like, Okay, you know what, if it's
Speaker 1: for us, it's for us. I want the wind really bad.
Speaker 1: Does the wind want me back? We're about to find out,
Speaker 1: you know. That's how do we want each other? I
Speaker 1: love mutual. I feel like that could be people's mottos
Speaker 1: for dating, start asking yourself that what this person really bad?
Speaker 1: Do they want me bad? Question? Um, yeah, no, that's
Speaker 1: that's That's a really good way to look at it.
Speaker 1: I also feel like this is one of the more
Speaker 1: recent seasons where you you genuinely are rooting for everyone
Speaker 1: in this final. You know, like there is no love loss,
Speaker 1: even from how they've played the game this season, because
Speaker 1: you know, you can like people and not how like
Speaker 1: how they've played the game in that particular season or whatever.
Speaker 1: But in this season, like all of you guys have
Speaker 1: been great, great to watch and good, yeah, and like
Speaker 1: good and fun to watch. So, um yeah, who other
Speaker 1: than yourself, who are you rooting for to come out
Speaker 1: number one? It's yeah, I mean it's not you know.
Speaker 1: But then like a close second is Nannie because she
Speaker 1: has been through everything with her mom and she's such
Speaker 1: a fighter and I was in the house with her
Speaker 1: the entire time, and um, obviously you root for somebody
Speaker 1: that's going through something and is still be fighting an
Speaker 1: internal challenge and an external challenge and um so yeah.
Speaker 1: And then also Olivia and Arassio have just had a
Speaker 1: killer season. Like honestly, it's not up to me, it's whoever,
Speaker 1: whoever ends up winning at the end, like they deserve it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they were to win, it be like the icing
Speaker 1: on the top for their story of being rookies. Like
Speaker 1: it would just like such a perfect ending for them, right,
Speaker 1: it would be so right for sure for any Canoes,
Speaker 1: say story purposes. And this is why I'm so attached
Speaker 1: to this season because I love a good story. Story Wise,
Speaker 1: any of you winning is like the perfect full circle moment.
Speaker 1: Any of you, any of the team's winning, It's like
Speaker 1: the perfect Like you've had a hell of a story
Speaker 1: this season, Um, Jordan, Anonissa, hell of a story. Devin
Speaker 1: has kind of been in the background this season up
Speaker 1: until recently. You know, this episode he started to really
Speaker 1: like show out And maybe that's a good thing because
Speaker 1: Danny challenge you and say, we didn't really see him
Speaker 1: to the end, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 1: you know, and just the whole Bananni of it all,
Speaker 1: like everybody has a full Yeah. So I think you know,
Speaker 1: anybody winning is gonna be a huge smile on on
Speaker 1: the viewers faces. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's tough. I
Speaker 1: don't usually root for terrorists, but I'm just kidding. Actually,
Speaker 1: I don't arrist Let me add that note for mtdum.
Speaker 1: But we are referencing the infamous moment that Jordan called
Speaker 1: Toria terrorists and then they had the audacity, not sure
Speaker 1: if you know this to but to name the episode
Speaker 1: Terrorist of Love. So so they paid, they paid homage
Speaker 1: to you in that way. But what were your thoughts
Speaker 1: We saw the facial expression, but let's take it back.
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts in that moment when you heard
Speaker 1: that come out of his mouth? Girl, I just was
Speaker 1: I like, was literally processing on the spot, like I
Speaker 1: was in utter disbelief. I could not comprehend what was happening.
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no way because I didn't. I personally
Speaker 1: did not think the conversation that I had with him
Speaker 1: like should have led up to this. It felt it
Speaker 1: felt like a like a obviously it was a shot,
Speaker 1: but it hurt like the shot hit. And can you
Speaker 1: explain your position just to clarify, because I feel like
Speaker 1: I kind of got where you were coming from when
Speaker 1: you were trying to get Jordan, you know, not to
Speaker 1: say Fessie, but I know other people didn't seem to
Speaker 1: get that, and felt like you were just leading with
Speaker 1: your emotions and wanted him to like be supportive of that.
Speaker 1: Can you clarify what was it that you were trying
Speaker 1: to accomplish and what it was that you said to
Speaker 1: Jordan's regarding voting for Bessie set the record straight? Sure, well,
Speaker 1: thanks for giving this space to do it, because of
Speaker 1: course I really want to. And so if you go
Speaker 1: back to when we initially broke off into teams, it
Speaker 1: was that challenge where we were basically haul brawl over
Speaker 1: the water, the one where nine he got really hurt. Yes,
Speaker 1: So this was the first challenge right after the whole
Speaker 1: Nurse and Jordan hookup, right, and I had just blown
Speaker 1: up on Jordan a few days prior and we really
Speaker 1: hadn't spoken. So my team won that challenge, and so
Speaker 1: we were in power and Jordan's name was floating around
Speaker 1: and people were like, are we going to take a shot,
Speaker 1: and I thinking about it because I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what kind of fuck him? And then I was like,
Speaker 1: that's petty. We have such a long history. I would
Speaker 1: love to revive it. I'm in power right now. I
Speaker 1: can hopefully use my relationships with people and like save him.
Speaker 1: Let me try to make some leverage here. And so
Speaker 1: the deal was. I talked to Fassie on my team.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, listen, if we don't say Jordan's saying
Speaker 1: this time, and I get him to agree to not
Speaker 1: say your name if they ever went on a guy's day,
Speaker 1: would you be down for that? And he's like, I'll
Speaker 1: play ball. I go to Jordan's say it was a deal.
Speaker 1: I said, do you want to play ball? And he said,
Speaker 1: I'll play ball. And so when the time came weeks
Speaker 1: later and they did have power and I heard it
Speaker 1: was going around that Jordan was going to say Fassie's name,
Speaker 1: I was like, let me just remind him of this
Speaker 1: deal because I vouched for him. I'm over here trying
Speaker 1: to in my opinion, this is just my side of
Speaker 1: the story, right, But like I'm trying to make something
Speaker 1: salvageable out of our relationship. So when Jordan says you're
Speaker 1: a terrorist, I don't like people who personal I'd only
Speaker 1: people who hang gameplay over personal relationships. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be like Jordan. We don't have a personal relationship. We
Speaker 1: don't talk outside of the show. We don't, we haven't.
Speaker 1: We are in a point right now where we are
Speaker 1: either going to mend everything or we're going to debt
Speaker 1: it because I can't do I don't want to be
Speaker 1: in this space with somebody. So obviously it was pretty extreme.
Speaker 1: Like looking back on it, I could have handled the
Speaker 1: entire thing with probably even more grace. But regardless, But
Speaker 1: did you tell him, did you explicitly tell him, Hey,
Speaker 1: if you do vote for Bessie, we won't be friends again.
Speaker 1: I'll never talk to you again. I just said it
Speaker 1: was going to affect the way I felt about him.
Speaker 1: That's what I was trying to deby, and I think
Speaker 1: he kind of took that like, oh, you're saying that
Speaker 1: we're not going to be friends again. But maybe I
Speaker 1: misspoke in the moment, but I didn't even do that.
Speaker 1: I just didn't clarify enough with it was just going
Speaker 1: to really hurt my feelings because everything what I just
Speaker 1: told you to me makes complete sense, right that you
Speaker 1: had vouched for him. It's a deal. Yeah, you were
Speaker 1: brokering a deal. You were the real estate agent between
Speaker 1: the buyer and the seller, and both parties agreed. And
Speaker 1: then at the end you were saying, this is going
Speaker 1: to have blowback on me because I'm the one who
Speaker 1: said you would agree, because you told me you would
Speaker 1: agree it had nothing to do with your romantic relationship. Also,
Speaker 1: people saying like what I didn't like about that, and look,
Speaker 1: y'all can come from me in the DM's about sticking
Speaker 1: up for Tori. But I stand on it. I said
Speaker 1: what I said in the words of nine Leaks, and
Speaker 1: I stand on it. Whenever I think whatever I personally
Speaker 1: see to be right in that moment, I it. You know,
Speaker 1: Jordan trying to say, like, oh, you can't manipulate personal
Speaker 1: relationships in the game. That is literally a part of
Speaker 1: the challenge, even when you're doing so unintentionally. How many
Speaker 1: times have you heard us say on this pocket Anissa
Speaker 1: and Torre or best friends, they also do the podcast together.
Speaker 1: They're not going to bote each other in regardless of
Speaker 1: if they think their competition because they're best friends, we
Speaker 1: are podcast sisters. If I ever went back, won't happen.
Speaker 1: But if I ever did, I'd expect them to have
Speaker 1: a certain level of grace and not because we have relationships,
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, see, you can't help that is a
Speaker 1: part of what it is. Unless David start going to
Speaker 1: sound crazy. Thing, you know, sometimes you gotta do what
Speaker 1: you like, though, is that he gets inciting something because
Speaker 1: she's definitely coming back. Tori. We talked about this two
Speaker 1: episodes ago. All he has said, you remember said like
Speaker 1: I do I listen. Yeah, she's coming back. Um so yeah,
Speaker 1: just hopefully not with Josh's a partner, because he got
Speaker 1: my d MS blown up from that interview. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about that anyway. Um So, I so him trying to
Speaker 1: make it seem like it was just about you are
Speaker 1: being selfish, or making it about you didn't sit right
Speaker 1: and the words in the words of Nellie t he
Speaker 1: used me as the escaped goat, you know, I for
Speaker 1: the record. For the record, I don't know if he
Speaker 1: actually said that. Somebody just said he said that once,
Speaker 1: so I probably did, but I don't. I don't just
Speaker 1: make his own dictionary. I hate should and then and
Speaker 1: then sell that merch. Nelson, I'm gonna have to d
Speaker 1: M him about that and sell the merch, make it
Speaker 1: and then sell them. When he was on the podcast,
Speaker 1: he said it was a pivolement him. I love him
Speaker 1: so much. They need to make just like one of
Speaker 1: those plush teddy bears, something where you squeeze it and
Speaker 1: it says something. It would be one of Nelson's phrases
Speaker 1: and Nellie's lightly yes exactly a Nelly is Mum, we
Speaker 1: want to cut though Nelson because this was our idea. Um,
Speaker 1: so I want more than a dollar. How else was
Speaker 1: because a lot. I know it's been a while we've
Speaker 1: moved past in the episodes, but um, a lot was
Speaker 1: happening regarding your relationship with Jordan in that house. It
Speaker 1: just seemed super super yeah, super messy. What were some
Speaker 1: things we didn't get to see that played a role
Speaker 1: in the drama. Yeah, this is a really good question
Speaker 1: because there was actually a pivocal moment here we go
Speaker 1: in the Getting actually when Jordan and I, um, okay,
Speaker 1: right before him and Maurice cuddle at movie night, right
Speaker 1: before that happens, So Jordan was basically talking to people
Speaker 1: about how he feels on edge about Devin. This is
Speaker 1: when Devin and I were still partners. So I go
Speaker 1: up to Jordan and the kitchen and I'm like, hey, listen, like,
Speaker 1: can we all talk and get on the same page.
Speaker 1: And Jordan was eating and he didn't want to talk
Speaker 1: in that moment, and I'm pretty sure I said something like, okay,
Speaker 1: well we'll talk. Like when when you're ready, can we talk?
Speaker 1: But I think he heard me say we need to
Speaker 1: talk right now. That's not even that's not even my character.
Speaker 1: I'm not even like that, but I but he was
Speaker 1: basically like very shutting me out, like no, no, and I.
Speaker 1: So I got up from the table and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, Jordan's fine, like, if you don't want
Speaker 1: to talk ever about this, then whatever. Anyway, he's got
Speaker 1: a different side to the story, but whatever, you think
Speaker 1: what you want to think. So I walk away in
Speaker 1: the kitchen and he goes, fine, you want to talk
Speaker 1: right now? You want to talk right now. He goes
Speaker 1: out into the courtyard starts screaming Evan's name at the
Speaker 1: top of his lungs, Deavin, Davin, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is happening. Devin runs out, He's like,
Speaker 1: is everything okay? And Easter runs out, She's like, what's
Speaker 1: going on? The four of us are in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: They're trying to de escalate the situation because now it's
Speaker 1: just a full blown screaming match between Jordan and I.
Speaker 1: And that was the start of Jordan and I'm not talking.
Speaker 1: So then three days go by, Jordan and I don't
Speaker 1: talk at all. And then I think like the next day,
Speaker 1: that's when we had like a movie night, and you know,
Speaker 1: the neurising happened. So when the whole nersing happened, listen,
Speaker 1: like anything can be talked through. Jordan and I are
Speaker 1: great friends. Now we've we're not together, right, we can agree,
Speaker 1: but at that point we had not even spoken. We
Speaker 1: hadn't come to to a good we hadn't had a
Speaker 1: good conversation about what is going on? Can we talk
Speaker 1: to each other in a healthy way every time, every
Speaker 1: single time we talked, we both got to that point. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what really blew it up. And that's
Speaker 1: why I think like the neuries stuff was so emotional
Speaker 1: because it was also carrying around that first argument that
Speaker 1: really got resolved. It just kind of led into the
Speaker 1: next situation. And then then that's what kept happening with us,
Speaker 1: Like we never had moments where we got to sit
Speaker 1: down and just like and that that actually comes out
Speaker 1: later too. So when I'm about to choose between Rossio
Speaker 1: and Jordan on the name that I'm going to say,
Speaker 1: and I'm that split vote, that day, I had a
Speaker 1: whole conversation with Jordan. Finally and we literally bawled our
Speaker 1: eyes out to each other and we were like, can
Speaker 1: we just stop doing this? And he basically said to
Speaker 1: me he doesn't want to do it on camera, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I totally understand. This is a really
Speaker 1: hard place to have these conversations, but unfortunately we're here
Speaker 1: and so we're either going to have them or we're not.
Speaker 1: And so we we did have a conversation that that's
Speaker 1: finally what I think brought him to that point of
Speaker 1: saying sorry and apologizing, because because because it was that
Speaker 1: was right before that I walked up to that elimination
Speaker 1: bawling my eyes out because the conversation was literally yeah,
Speaker 1: well because that conversation that we had was literally twenty
Speaker 1: minutes before elimination, before we left for elimination, so he
Speaker 1: wasn't even in the right headspace for the elimination. I
Speaker 1: wasn't in the right headspace to be in the game.
Speaker 1: Like it was just it was so much with this
Speaker 1: emotional roller coaster that you two were on. I just
Speaker 1: want to go back to the rest triangle of it all.
Speaker 1: On that particular episode where you know you vote her in,
Speaker 1: you were very adamant this is not personal this is
Speaker 1: not personal. This is not personal. I wouldn't blame you
Speaker 1: if it was. I wouldn't, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But now hearing your backstory of the emotional roller coaster
Speaker 1: that you and Jordan had been on and how she
Speaker 1: just kind of like was a plus one to the party,
Speaker 1: do you still stand on it was not personal or
Speaker 1: do you want to clarify that in any way? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watch it back and I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: really wanted to be bigger than my emotions in the moment,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be not petty, and even though
Speaker 1: strategically it still made to throw her in, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: a part of it, A part of it did feel
Speaker 1: good to be, like, you know what, Like this game,
Speaker 1: it does come down to having good relationships with people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't I don't have anything against her
Speaker 1: personally now I really can genuinely say that, like, I'm
Speaker 1: thankful for this entire story because it's it's led me
Speaker 1: to a lot of healing and a lot of closure.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I watched it back and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, fuck it? Like, why why am I
Speaker 1: trying to be so nice? Like you know you were?
Speaker 1: I was in pain. I was sad, I was hurt,
Speaker 1: and I was just trying to be better than I
Speaker 1: actually felt in the moment. I have two questions for
Speaker 1: you on that and one I love a just how
Speaker 1: introspective that you are. Yeah, that's something that we don't
Speaker 1: always see, and certainly not from reality TV people. Um,
Speaker 1: so I love that. My two questions for you, one
Speaker 1: is only only one is mildly petty. I think one
Speaker 1: is our Jordan and there still talking today, And by
Speaker 1: talking I mean cupcaking, and by cupcaking, I mean you know,
Speaker 1: watching have a movie night. You know, I'll say this.
Speaker 1: Just wait for the reunion to find out all these answers,
Speaker 1: because there's a lot that comes out. M bro. We
Speaker 1: watched the social media's I do okay, and we didn't
Speaker 1: see that woman all over Johnny Okay, I've seen her
Speaker 1: own Jordans Okay. Yeah, it's been on the social of
Speaker 1: the media's. I've seen it. That's an interesting choice. Um.
Speaker 1: My other question is something actually that Davon has brought
Speaker 1: up before. Um, Davon just made a face. If you
Speaker 1: guys can see the like, think of all the memes
Speaker 1: you've ever seen of Davon and imagine that in this moment,
Speaker 1: that is the face you just Davon should have brought
Speaker 1: up this point, and I think there may be something
Speaker 1: to it, and I just we've speculated a lot on it.
Speaker 1: So since you're here, I'd love to get your perspective
Speaker 1: on it. Do you think because Jordan's smart, well, everybody
Speaker 1: knows Jordan's smart, right, Like, Jordan's not only smart, just
Speaker 1: like in the game, but Jordan's just smart, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like people smart, right like and perceptive and all
Speaker 1: those things. So when he was fighting you so hard
Speaker 1: in the house, particularly around like cupcaking with ne Reice,
Speaker 1: right like, as an avid challenge watcher or even as
Speaker 1: someone who's been in those challenge houses, it's like, we
Speaker 1: know that the likelihood of any one of those relationships
Speaker 1: lasting now, of course it happens, but the likelihood of
Speaker 1: it happening, of even getting as serious as you and
Speaker 1: Jordan wants were, it's just like a very small percentage,
Speaker 1: very very very small. So anytime you're risking some major
Speaker 1: like friendship or something that's just been built over time
Speaker 1: for something new, it's always a little side i e. Right,
Speaker 1: because it's like, is that really worth the risk you
Speaker 1: and ne Reice are likely not going to keep talking.
Speaker 1: So he was fighting hard on that and so and
Speaker 1: I feel like Jordan's smarter than them. So then the
Speaker 1: question became, was Jordan's sort of doing that out of
Speaker 1: spite because of you all's history, maybe you and Bessie
Speaker 1: back in the days, some of those other things. What
Speaker 1: are you're talking on that? I mean truly, because yeah,
Speaker 1: the way that Jordan was with me, um after Like,
Speaker 1: so obviously Jordan and I broke up, Bessie and I
Speaker 1: hang out months later, but I tell Jordan he saw
Speaker 1: it on social media first, right, So to be fair,
Speaker 1: it's not like I broke the news to him. I
Speaker 1: just called him and said, just confirmed it. Wanted to confirm.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be heard from me. I felt and
Speaker 1: you guys had been broken up, so this wasn't like
Speaker 1: but still obviously he felt like, you know, I smeared
Speaker 1: it in his face. Um And I think that this
Speaker 1: was his response. I do, and and I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think that the situation, like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that he was like I'm gonna pick any random girl
Speaker 1: here and I'm gonna fuck it. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: is beautiful. Let's not. I think it's just like the
Speaker 1: right the right environment, the right situation. It happened, and
Speaker 1: he instead of him being like, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: in a respect tory, he was like, why would I
Speaker 1: respect her? She hasn't respected me? Fuck it, that was right.
Speaker 1: Let me sell you like I told them. I said,
Speaker 1: he told on himself when you two were going at it,
Speaker 1: and you said, do you think it's easy for me
Speaker 1: to see my ex all over somebody? And he said, oh,
Speaker 1: now you see how it feels. I said, oh, this
Speaker 1: is on purpose. Yeah, oh he's doing this on purpose.
Speaker 1: That that was the green light from Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: made me feel like, oh this is intentional, like he
Speaker 1: it's fitful, he's doing it all. Yeah, but I do
Speaker 1: think there was a connection between him and her, but
Speaker 1: to parade it in your face, that was very much intentional.
Speaker 1: My worn Oh my god, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, why
Speaker 1: would he respect me? You know, like he felt disrespected
Speaker 1: by me? So an eye for an eye I think
Speaker 1: is kind of what was served up. Yeah. Well I
Speaker 1: love that you do our friends. Yeah, that makes me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: tell us about the evolution of that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Without giving away any spoilers, but just when you guys,
Speaker 1: whenever you exit the show, Um, well, I guess you're
Speaker 1: all going to the final now. So at the end
Speaker 1: of the show, like, how did this sort of reconciliation
Speaker 1: come to be? And exactly you say you're great friends,
Speaker 1: but exactly what does that mean? Like what what does
Speaker 1: your relationship really look like? Now? Well, there's definitely a
Speaker 1: weight lifted off anybody when they make it to a final,
Speaker 1: because the entire season you're trying to politic and to
Speaker 1: make sure you get to this point, and then when
Speaker 1: you get there, it's a whole different feeling. And I
Speaker 1: think when you look around and the people you're there with,
Speaker 1: if you worked with them, there's a different sense of gratitude.
Speaker 1: So thankfully being there with him it helped to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the game's over, we can breathe now, we just got
Speaker 1: to play with our hearts out and whoever wins it.
Speaker 1: Basically we're racing our friends from million dollars right now,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the mindset. But like the more
Speaker 1: intricate details of how we are obviously will come out
Speaker 1: on the reunion too. And yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 1: just you know, the waterworks, Like, I'm just grateful that
Speaker 1: we are where we are today. And I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: it like I can't. I can't even believe it because
Speaker 1: I was under the impression Jordan was never going to
Speaker 1: come on another show if I was there. That's what
Speaker 1: he told me before before we had like a year
Speaker 1: and a half or I don't even remember, dude, it's
Speaker 1: been so many years. But like you know, when we
Speaker 1: actually did when we did break up, he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna do a show with you. I don't
Speaker 1: want to give that storyline to them. So when I
Speaker 1: went on Rider Dies and then he pops up as
Speaker 1: a special guest, I was like, no, which money did
Speaker 1: this motherfucker get paid? Because right, nope, he said he
Speaker 1: would never do this, you know, so obviously it was
Speaker 1: it was the visit that I never wanted, but I
Speaker 1: definitely need it. So I'm thankful. Yeah, I should name
Speaker 1: the podcast this episode that they're not going to do it.
Speaker 1: I love that the visit I never wanted that I
Speaker 1: definitely needed. Um. Okay, so it's heartwarming that we thank
Speaker 1: you for clearing that up. Now we want to get
Speaker 1: clarification on something else. You know how this goes. We
Speaker 1: have a game for you because we love games. I
Speaker 1: love games, and especially for you. This time it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Pictionary like on the Aftermath. I'm just kidding it.
Speaker 1: They were terrible at that game. If you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: go back and just look at the challenge you to.
Speaker 1: They were always so terrible. Um, but we do have
Speaker 1: a game for you. We have three questions for you
Speaker 1: about your partner aka boy Devin. Um. Since you say
Speaker 1: that you arrived dies, now we're gonna have you prove it.
Speaker 1: Oh god, Davon, do you want to kick off the
Speaker 1: first question? Absolutely so. Number one, you and Devon both
Speaker 1: did chance first stars? Two? Right? What was the charity
Speaker 1: that Devin was playing for on that season? Oh? My god,
Speaker 1: that this is cruel. I don't know. It must have
Speaker 1: been a really really really nice charity, though I think
Speaker 1: ship was it a beer charity? That's a good guess.
Speaker 1: What is something else that Devon is in particular? Even
Speaker 1: yot I think we're all very he you and him,
Speaker 1: we're all okay, calm down, no, no yourself, don't wait.
Speaker 1: Is it when you can't read things in a certain
Speaker 1: ig that's not Yes, he had dyslexia, dyslexic charity. No,
Speaker 1: it's when someone is Davon does fit into this category. Also,
Speaker 1: that's why there's so many means of her facial expressions.
Speaker 1: What is it we get? We get very fun of
Speaker 1: it on social media all the time. We're very hyper.
Speaker 1: But because we have a background of I have no
Speaker 1: idea why I don't. You guys are very dramatic, drama,
Speaker 1: very dramatic, so theater Regamo's community theater. I didn't know that. Yes,
Speaker 1: it makes sense now when you look at it, though,
Speaker 1: because he is very dramatic. That's why he likes big moments.
Speaker 1: What I hadn't that girl, I don't even know him.
Speaker 1: What I clearly not literally not. That was such an
Speaker 1: unfair question? Is that beer? Like that was a good guess?
Speaker 1: That was valid. That was if you know Devin, the
Speaker 1: beer one is very valid. I realize like Devin and
Speaker 1: I sometimes we can rub each other a little bit
Speaker 1: the wrong way. However, it was all mended, and I
Speaker 1: knew that there was a special bond there. When at
Speaker 1: the last aftermass that we shot in studio, Devin had
Speaker 1: I believe it was an additional cocktail that he and Margarita,
Speaker 1: and he was like, here, you want mine? And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh he offered me and during and I
Speaker 1: know what that means to know what that means to Devin,
Speaker 1: and from there I have loved him since. All Right,
Speaker 1: question number two, Tori. If you didn't get that first one,
Speaker 1: I am not hopeful. Don't hear you on this one?
Speaker 1: Don't people try? All right? Boy, Devin spent ten days
Speaker 1: doing what to prepare for spies? Lies and chicken fries
Speaker 1: or you know, ten days doing something like straight I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean to I mean, was it running?
Speaker 1: Were the most realistic righted eyes to me? Okay? I
Speaker 1: to this point, how I cannot okay, wait ten days
Speaker 1: doing Oh my god, I feel like I vaguely remember this,
Speaker 1: but guys, these are years ago. He went on a
Speaker 1: silent retreat. Oh he did, he did? Wow, I don't question.
Speaker 1: It's a question. Mark doesn't even know bars. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're gonna so you're zero for two? Okay, this is
Speaker 1: the one, Okay, the one. I hope that they don't
Speaker 1: have this in the final Can I just say I
Speaker 1: hope they don't have partner trivia in the final tory,
Speaker 1: because then we already know the results. If that's because
Speaker 1: you are not doing well? All right? Final question? Is it? Okay?
Speaker 1: Devin worked as the sales manager of what in Massachusetts?
Speaker 1: Toria Elizabeth, Toria, elizabe not Tory Elizabeth and Elizabeth is
Speaker 1: my sisters I don't name and as my mom really
Speaker 1: literally the family. There we go. Okay, shit, fuck? Okay?
Speaker 1: Was it? Um? Was it um? A retail store? Was it? It?
Speaker 1: Just helped me out? Hence here, can I phone a friend?
Speaker 1: Can I phone? Should know these things? Okay? Colin put
Speaker 1: on speaker answers. I want to see if let's see
Speaker 1: if he gets it. Colin, I'm actually going to see
Speaker 1: if he even knows. We're gonna call. He better fucking answer.
Speaker 1: Oh he's answering, Dave. Hey, listen, I'm on the Challenge
Speaker 1: podcast right now, and I'm answering questions about you and
Speaker 1: I get to phone a friend. She's cheating right now,
Speaker 1: though she's cheating, right answer. This would be very embarrassing
Speaker 1: if I didn't. Okay, wait, you got this, Devin. What's
Speaker 1: the question again? All right? Devin? You worked as the
Speaker 1: sales manager of what in Massachusetts? Okay? Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: executive okay, put some respect on my name, and that
Speaker 1: would be city Bury. How the fun would I know that?
Speaker 1: A good job? Okay? Sorry. They also asked me what challenge?
Speaker 1: What charity you wanted to dedicate your Champs First Stars
Speaker 1: two Winnings too, and I said a beer charity, beer charity. Well,
Speaker 1: actually I tried to do League Legends, but they weren't certified,
Speaker 1: so instead I did Ugo almost Community theaternicutt. I got
Speaker 1: it right, actually, so that's good. I did not know
Speaker 1: you tell him? Why? No? I didn't get it fucking right,
Speaker 1: and now everyone think it's going up this trash. All right,
Speaker 1: Well I gotta go. We're gonna get back to the podcast,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, yeah, for the record, you got set
Speaker 1: up miss you already. Oh that was terrible, terrible. It's
Speaker 1: all right though. We still love you even though you
Speaker 1: were literally zero for three. I think you done the
Speaker 1: worst story out of everyone we pad on this season,
Speaker 1: the worst. Yes, I want to show you why actually
Speaker 1: Real Rider dies with Devin. Okay, okay, obviously I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna have to post this on Instagram when this episode
Speaker 1: comes out. But this is why, and this is how
Speaker 1: you know that we don't pull up the Social Security
Speaker 1: Oh it's a book that I have and it says
Speaker 1: you've survived one hundred percent of your bad days. And
Speaker 1: it's a picture of Devin's face. That's cute. That's cute.
Speaker 1: Where yours? No, it's just it's like a little Chapbooks
Speaker 1: picture book. But he's in it. Don't tell me, you
Speaker 1: don't tell me that we're not well listen, I'm just
Speaker 1: we know that you're right. We see how you guys work,
Speaker 1: even if you know nothing about him. We see how
Speaker 1: you guys on the episode or on the season, and
Speaker 1: it's so lovely to watch. Is there anything else because
Speaker 1: there's been so much to happen and we've missed you
Speaker 1: about the season, so glad you're here. Is there anything
Speaker 1: else before we go that you want to set the
Speaker 1: record straight on clarify or just you know, give a
Speaker 1: little shout out, this is your moment, take all the space. Well, honestly,
Speaker 1: I just am at peace with everybody who's watched this
Speaker 1: season with me and who's had my back. And I'm
Speaker 1: just really thankful because there's so many people who have
Speaker 1: given me the benefit of the doubt, and um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, listen, I'm just thankful. I'm thankful it's
Speaker 1: over and I can't wait for everybody to see the
Speaker 1: rest of it because as you saw in that you
Speaker 1: know teaser, there's a lot of blood in the final
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of you. So it's going
Speaker 1: to be brutal. It's one hundred hours long, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's like the only way out is through,
Speaker 1: and it was truly like the gates of Hell and
Speaker 1: we had to go through it. So I'm thankful that
Speaker 1: it's over. And yeah, it's it's just been an insane season.
Speaker 1: So thank you guys for holding on the podcast. This
Speaker 1: season had the potential to be very very messy because
Speaker 1: it was a lot of friends here this season. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: it had would be very very messy. That you walked
Speaker 1: away with your friendships still intact, thank you and rekindled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that for you. I think that's really really cool.
Speaker 1: I think people are getting to see a different side,
Speaker 1: at least I hope. I mean the dumb people won't
Speaker 1: necessarily And it's kind of like what Harry said in
Speaker 1: his interview, which is like if you can't realize this
Speaker 1: is what's happening, then I don't know what to tell you,
Speaker 1: but I think for those who maybe misunderstood you and
Speaker 1: for maybe some of the less desirable choices you made
Speaker 1: in past, past, past, past years, ago seasons, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: people get to see the real Tory, the Tori that
Speaker 1: we know, the Tory that I know. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'll say it again, you are true and true like
Speaker 1: just such a genuine person. So yeah, love that about you.
Speaker 1: For those who are now Tory Elizabeth Ann fans and
Speaker 1: weren't following you before, where can they find you on
Speaker 1: social media? You guys can find me at Tory Underscore. Deal.
Speaker 1: But you know I'll be on this podcast every once
Speaker 1: in a while hopping on here with you guys, thankfully,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean, just stay tuned for the rest
Speaker 1: of the season and enjoy it. Whoa, I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you so much for coming on, Tori,
Speaker 1: and we're so glad to have you back. Also, we
Speaker 1: are definitely looking forward to the rest of this season. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much. Seriously, you guys are incredible
Speaker 1: and yeah, enjoy it. That was a hell of an interview,
Speaker 1: a great interview. I love that we got some tea
Speaker 1: hopefully provided some clarity for people who were wondering about
Speaker 1: that whole was she kind of trying to manipulate with
Speaker 1: emotions thing? Hopefully you just feel like you came away
Speaker 1: knowing a little bit more. So good for those of
Speaker 1: you who want to know a little bit more about
Speaker 1: my co host Rogers. Oh, yes, that is you. Where
Speaker 1: can I find you? You guys can find me in
Speaker 1: the Twitter straight at Dave Davon Underscore. You can find
Speaker 1: me on Instagram island at Devon Diane Underscore. Devin, Where
Speaker 1: can the people find you? You know, she didn't say YouTube,
Speaker 1: but I feel like she said she was going to
Speaker 1: start the YouTube channel back. But is in February, ma'am,
Speaker 1: is in February. It's not, it's not. Um. You can
Speaker 1: find me. You can go to my website Devin Simone
Speaker 1: dot com. That's d v y N SI m o
Speaker 1: ne dot com and they're at the bottom. You'll see
Speaker 1: all my socials. You can find me actually on Amazon. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have an Amazon channel. So if you go to
Speaker 1: Devin Simone and Amazon just type that in you'll find it,
Speaker 1: or you'll find on my website. You can find me
Speaker 1: on Instagram that is Devin Simone, Den with the Wi
Speaker 1: Simon with an Eye and Twitter. I do respond and
Speaker 1: or mute people on Twitter, and though that is also
Speaker 1: Devin Simone Den with the Wise Simone with an Eye
Speaker 1: as well, but just go to my website. It's easier
Speaker 1: to find everything. And shout out to the people who
Speaker 1: have DMed us and left reviews. They've been so sweet.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to give an extra shout out too.
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned it earlier, but a Newmanum who
Speaker 1: is a listener, thank you for the love. Cody s
Speaker 1: as well, Crystal Munio, thank you as well all those
Speaker 1: that I didn't see. I try my best, but keep
Speaker 1: tweeting and dming. And if you liked this episode, rate
Speaker 1: review us on Spotify or Apple podcast, I want to
Speaker 1: shout out supporting it. Who said Davon is the whole
Speaker 1: package on the Apple review Let's see who else. A
Speaker 1: rad nineteen eighty nine says, I love the mix of Tori, Anissa,
Speaker 1: Devin and Davon, which is so great. Ashley B. Jones said,
Speaker 1: Davon and Devon are so good at this love that
Speaker 1: so thank you guys so much for the love. Miss
Speaker 1: World said Miss Tory are you coming back? Yes? She
Speaker 1: is here, so thank you guys for the love. Make
Speaker 1: sure that you tell a friend rate and your review
Speaker 1: and Davon, who else should they tell besides just their friends?
Speaker 1: Is there anyone else? At this point, everybody should be
Speaker 1: able to sing along with me. Come on, Devin, you
Speaker 1: can do it too. Here we go, say your Mamma
Speaker 1: dad day. Okay, tell everybody chat. We're gonna work that out. Okay.
Speaker 1: Make sure you tell everybody about this podcast and catch
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