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Speaker 1: Ugly times, so ugly ugly times, and who better to

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Speaker 1: who is the author of many fine books through the years,

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Speaker 1: PJ explains money, banking, debt, equity, assets, liabilities, and why

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Speaker 1: he's not rich and neither of you here he is

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Speaker 1: PJ or rock. P J. How are you, sir? I'm well,

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Speaker 1: how are you terrific? Thank you? I love the description

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Speaker 1: Atlantic Monthly weekly standard from countries and not the nice ones.

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Speaker 1: My job was basically to watch people try to kill

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Speaker 1: instructive work at the very least. And uh, it's how

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Speaker 1: And then always remember that the profit isn't necessarily calculated

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Speaker 1: I mean when when? When? When? When print? When movable

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Speaker 1: subtitle of your book is why You're not rich? Neither

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