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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, d J, Bucky here, Moved the Sticks

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Speaker 1: and Buck Man. We've got a fun episode today, one

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Speaker 1: of our favorite guests, and we've got some interesting things

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Speaker 1: the football world. Yeah, Michael Vick joins the show and obviously,

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Speaker 1: uh with everything going on with the revolution at quarterback

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Speaker 1: to talk about one of the pioneers and the phosician

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Speaker 1: on what too it could bring to the Miami Dolphins. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think you guys are gonna enjoy this conversation. Um,

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Speaker 1: look somebody that I would say, I don't know where

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Speaker 1: you are, Buck if you're talking about just who through

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Speaker 1: the prettiest ball? Um. He throws a beautiful ball, Michael Vick.

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Speaker 1: It looks a little different coming out from the left side,

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Speaker 1: how much Um I used to uh love watching Michael

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Speaker 1: look so easy and it's just effortless, and he just

431
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Speaker 1: breathed through the defense and everything they called. He like

432
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Speaker 1: he was enjoying the play calling. He's like, give me more,

433
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Speaker 1: give me more. And then next thing, you know, they

434
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Speaker 1: scored like fifty two points. And I'm like, that just

435
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,200
Speaker 1: happened against Florida State, Like that don't happen in Florida State. Man.

436
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Speaker 1: So instantly in my mind, I'm thinking about what this

437
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Speaker 1: guy's gonna look like when he touched the NFL. And

438
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Speaker 1: I know what it's like to have, you know, uncanny ability,

439
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Speaker 1: you know, unlike you know, some others you know, where

440
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Speaker 1: you can do some different things, and he was able

441
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Speaker 1: to make it look different. And I just seen that

442
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Speaker 1: this was gonna happen in the NFL in a couple

443
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Speaker 1: of years. I called it back then. I'm not going

444
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Speaker 1: to continue to say that. You know. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why I said that he was it than me at

446
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Speaker 1: the time, but I felt it, you know, And he's

447
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Speaker 1: proving it. And you know, a thousand yards later in

448
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Speaker 1: one season, like early broke my records and everything. He's

449
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Speaker 1: proven that he's gonna be one of the greatest quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: to ever played the game. Yeah. I mean, we had

451
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Speaker 1: you on, we talked about it, and you I think

452
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Speaker 1: you even used the phrase, actually, hold on, we have

453
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Speaker 1: the tape because I want to roll the tape. Backs.

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Speaker 1: You can hear what you said referenced a little bit.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna roll the tape here, let's roll the tape.

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Speaker 1: What was your impression the first time you saw him

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Speaker 1: on the field. Yeah, well, I had heard about Lamar

458
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Speaker 1: on several occasions, and that was the first day I

459
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Speaker 1: was actually in the house on a Saturday, uh watching

460
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Speaker 1: college football, and I happened to catch Louisville and Florida

461
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Speaker 1: State and I could not believe what I had seen.

462
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Speaker 1: I could not believe the things that he was able

463
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Speaker 1: to do. It was a spitting image of me. And

464
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Speaker 1: the only thing that came to my mind was this

465
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Speaker 1: kid was five times better than what I was when

466
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Speaker 1: I was at Virginia Tech. And not only not only

467
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Speaker 1: did you said you were on that, you were on

468
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Speaker 1: it early and you you recalled exactly what you were

469
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Speaker 1: watching now back then. Well done, Mike, Thank you. Thank

470
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Speaker 1: the man came out of the game and didn't break

471
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Speaker 1: a sweat. I don't want to sideline exhausted after what

472
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Speaker 1: I tried to accomplish against Florida State. He's on the

473
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Speaker 1: sideline party with his boys and they swagged up on

474
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Speaker 1: the sideline like like it was nothing. I'm like, oh,

475
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Speaker 1: think about to win the national championship. They're never gonna

476
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Speaker 1: lose the game again. And that's just all I could

477
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Speaker 1: think of at the time. Man, it was just beautiful

478
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Speaker 1: to watch the game, um where a guy went out

479
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Speaker 1: and just played with so much uh finesse and the

480
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Speaker 1: smarts throughout the course of the game, uh you know,

481
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Speaker 1: from four quarters. Man, it was just a beautiful thing

482
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Speaker 1: to see. And I could watch that over and over

483
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Speaker 1: and over again. I want, Mike, I want to hold

484
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Speaker 1: me up on on one other thing here real quick.

485
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Speaker 1: But just the transition that you had from from college

486
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Speaker 1: to the NFL. Everybody talks about the speed and the change,

487
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Speaker 1: and that's well documented. What about when we look at Lamar,

488
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Speaker 1: Look it's rainy m v P. But the postseason hasn't

489
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Speaker 1: gone as well. What what's the difference between regular of

490
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Speaker 1: season football and postseason football? But you judge by the

491
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Speaker 1: preseason without a doubt, Um, and I think the Mars

492
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Speaker 1: understanding that right now, you'll probably push you work hard

493
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Speaker 1: to become that quarterback who can get his team over

494
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Speaker 1: the hump um. But it's gonna take a lot of effort. Man.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a one and done situation. Like it's it's

496
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Speaker 1: no tomorrow. You have to be mistake free pretty much.

497
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Speaker 1: You got to create small offense and some mistake free football.

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Speaker 1: You know you're margin for her it is very slim

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Speaker 1: and Uh as a quarterback, you have to take on

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Speaker 1: that responsibility and you learned through that process. You know,

501
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: you grow um through that process. You know my first

502
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Speaker 1: playoff game, you know I had some motivation. I psyched

503
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Speaker 1: myself up. I had bread Fave on the other side.

504
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Speaker 1: I wanted to show bread Fave how good I was.

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Speaker 1: We was the underdogs, and I just wanted a little

506
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Speaker 1: respect from a guy who I idolized. And you gotta

507
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Speaker 1: find some some significant meaning to make yourself play that

508
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Speaker 1: much better, you know. You know, Mike, it's funny because

509
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Speaker 1: you came at a time when you talk about respect

510
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Speaker 1: and people respecting your game mobile after the quarterbacks weren't

511
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Speaker 1: necessarily respected or expected to have success in the league.

512
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Speaker 1: But then when we look Lamar Jackson, Pat Mahomes, Cala Murray,

513
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Speaker 1: we have offensive coordinators that are really building systems to

514
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Speaker 1: their talents. When you look at the game, what do

515
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Speaker 1: you think about when you see these young after the

516
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks have a success. I love to look at the

517
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Speaker 1: game right now. I like the fact that these coaches

518
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Speaker 1: are taking the guys and using their talent, and uh,

519
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Speaker 1: which is gonna make for more competitive football, some high

520
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Speaker 1: scoring football, and uh, you know it'll it'll be exhausting

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Speaker 1: for one or the other defense, you know, so you know,

522
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Speaker 1: whoever can't stop what the opposition is doing, it's gonna

523
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Speaker 1: be in trouble. But you know, guys are gonna be

524
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Speaker 1: you know, putting a position. We're they're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: earn their money. And these coordinators are watching a lot

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Speaker 1: of college film. As long as you can get your

527
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Speaker 1: team to understand what you know, the primary focus is

528
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Speaker 1: and the goal of the place, you know, if you

529
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Speaker 1: can get that accomplished, then you can running against anybody,

530
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Speaker 1: high school, college, appro So it's not gonna stop. These

531
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Speaker 1: coaches are gonna continue to use their talent, and rightfully so,

532
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: because you know they'll be doing us at disservices they

533
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Speaker 1: didn't and we'll probably be talking bad about them. So

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Speaker 1: I just pray that they continue to do what they

535
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Speaker 1: do and make the game, continue to make the game

536
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: great the way it is. It's it's made the game

537
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Speaker 1: so much better. It's just a more enjoyable brand of football.

538
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Speaker 1: It's it's fun to watch, it's explosive, um, it's dynamic,

539
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Speaker 1: and we enjoy it. You know, Mike, you're you're a

540
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Speaker 1: member of a very exclusive club. And I'm not talking

541
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Speaker 1: about you know, a Pro Bowl quarterback or someone that

542
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: was you know, running up for him trophy. I'm talking

543
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: about left handed quarterbacks. There are not many of you

544
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Speaker 1: guys out there. We got a new one now in

545
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: the club with two a Tongo Vlah coming into the NFL.

546
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Speaker 1: This guy Upset is gonna be um tremendous sent for

547
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Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, you know, to finally have somebody they

548
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Speaker 1: say we can invest in for the next you know,

549
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Speaker 1: five years. You know, because I gave him five years.

550
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not talking two years until the three years.

551
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: Let a coach have somebody work with him. May take

552
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Speaker 1: three years from a play up on. These guys are

553
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: tremendous town. That's fascinating stuff. Like, look, you've been You've

554
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: been very generous with your time today. I appreciate that.

555
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: But as scouts, what we're always doing. We're always you know,

556
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: you're always watching players. You're you're grading skills and then

557
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: you're trying to rank players. So as you go, I'm

558
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Speaker 1: gonna ask you to do some rankings that. Oh dude,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Mike. That means a lot, man, We

560
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Speaker 1: appreciate that. But now I'm gonna put you on the spot.

561
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Speaker 1: So you gotta rank three things. Here. I've got three

562
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 1: options for you. I needed you to rank them from

563
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Speaker 1: from top to bottom. We've got Michael vick Off, the tea.

564
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Speaker 1: We've got Michael Vick chipping and we've got Michael Vick putting,

565
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Speaker 1: So rank those top to bottom there, Michael, I don't

566
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Speaker 1: mispail with and I'm not exaggerating and I'm not you know,

567
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Speaker 1: um you know, I'm not boasted about it, but I'm

568
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Speaker 1: very kind of got better stupid, and I learned to

569
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Speaker 1: get close to the whole. You know, on the third shide,

570
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: you don't hit the rank and regulation. I'm getting a

571
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Speaker 1: little closer. I can make that exploded. And I was

572
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: saying number three is putting because um, you know, I

573
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: tend to miss thieves way too. And you know when

574
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: he's on and you're playing against the guy, you you're

575
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: knocking them around a little bit. He was going to

576
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: give you that a little real poor but he's gona me, yes,

577
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: every trying and hoping people have played with you don't

578
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: give me both to give me, man, So I'm trying

579
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Speaker 1: to get the close I can give him more give us. Well,

580
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: hey man, you already got your first golf trophy up

581
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: on the mantel, so you're off to You're off to

582
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: a good start there. Man. We're gonna let you go

583
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: so you can work on your putting game, bro, Thank you, man,

584
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I'm black. He loves his golf man,

585
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: and he's pretty darn good at it. You can imagine

586
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: he's probably got a sweet swing. I mean, come on,

587
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: left hand, and you know it's probably a big, long, loping,

588
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: uh swing that just the ball just jumps off the

589
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: driver's head when he makes contact. Uh. It's funny that

590
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: he's able to acknowledge his woes are the ones that

591
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: that everyone needs patience and discipline dealing with chipping and putting.

592
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the part of it. Like the drive,

593
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: you pull out the driver maybe fourteen times in around,

594
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: but man, chips and putts, that's where all the scoring is.

595
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: You got to spend more time shooting layoffs. He got

596
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: to get the putting, the putting down, get the putting.

597
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: He could self. He's self scouted though, you know, I

598
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: gave me the opportunity. He's he's very aware of his

599
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: short comedies where he needs to get better. Uh. And

600
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: by the way, very cool of him to say he's

601
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: he's a fan of the show that was. It's always

602
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: cool when you find out different people listening and we

603
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: hear about owners and you hear about GMS scouts coaches. Uh,

604
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: it's neat when you get guys that you grew up

605
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: kind of watching and having a lot of respect for

606
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: on the field, like Michael Vick to tell you they

607
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: enjoyed the show. That's pretty cool. Yeah, really really cool.

608
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Nedda. He told me that he has

609
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: a tough time with some of those gimmes if we

610
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: ever did get on the course. Dire' no gimmes, No, no, no, Yeah,

611
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: he just exposed to anybody that plays with him is

612
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: never gonna give him a putt. Yeah, we're doing the

613
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: pet rally layoffs. Put that out. Yeah, I don't have

614
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: Anthon and basically go after him, but I can. I

615
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: can still for us him to put out that three

616
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: foot Uh that's so good. Well, it was great to

617
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: catch up with him and anything else you want to

618
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Speaker 1: add before we jump out of here. Buck. No, man,

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Speaker 1: it's fun. It's a great week. Like we're getting close. Man,

620
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: everyone reporting the camp. Hopefully, hopefully we can make sure

621
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: the protocols work and do it. But man, we're getting

622
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: on step closer to being able to see football just fall.

623
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Speaker 1: That'd be great. Fingers are crossed on that one, so

624
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see what happens. I know there's a

625
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: lot of excitement around the league. Hopefully we get this

626
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: thing underway. All right, Well, that's gonna do it for

627
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Speaker 1: us today. Again, I do want to encourage everybody is

628
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Speaker 1: we did in the last episode. If you haven't already,

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Speaker 1: go on Apple Podcasts and leave us a little rating

630
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Speaker 1: and review on their trying to get some feedback there.

631
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Speaker 1: Let us know what you think. We do appreciate it,

632
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Speaker 1: and if you have a question for us, drop it

633
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Speaker 1: in there and we'll do our best on an upcoming

634
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Speaker 1: episode to answer as many of those questions as we can.

635
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Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it for us today. Thank you

636
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Speaker 1: guys so much for being with us. We'll catch you

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Speaker 1: next time. Right here on Move the sticks out, Tott,

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Speaker 1: what you meant have to do to lot