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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. Paulame

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Speaker 1: Primal Mind, Primal Games, Why we do what we do?

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Speaker 1: Back to telepathy, Paul for a moment, Are you saying

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Speaker 1: then that telepathy is caused by the brain primarily, No,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that. I would

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Speaker 1: say that there is a biomolecular structure within our bodies,

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Speaker 1: and not just in the brain, could be in the heart,

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Speaker 1: could be in any of the living tissue that is

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Speaker 1: sensitive to quantum based information photons. You see, George, most

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Speaker 1: of the biochemistry that is taught today is taught with

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Speaker 1: Valerie Hunt. Do you if I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: remember or know of the late UCLA physiologist by the

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Speaker 1: name of Valerie Hunt. But she did a lot of

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Speaker 1: research in telemetry, research pioneer in vibratory states in the

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Speaker 1: human body, and she found vibratory states that far exceeded

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Speaker 1: what we see today in a lot of the conventional

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Speaker 1: brain science, where we say that the brain waves only

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Speaker 1: go up to say forty maybe forty five hurts. She said,

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Speaker 1: that's just rubbish. We have vibrations in the body that

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Speaker 1: go well into the hundreds of thousands of cycles a second.

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Speaker 1: And of course her mainstream colleagues were aghast when she

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Speaker 1: would say such things, because it would imply that our

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Speaker 1: physiology is capable of much, much more of than what

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Speaker 1: we're being told. So this is part of the problem

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Speaker 1: with which we have right now. Science itself has been

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Speaker 1: somewhat victimized. So now let's get back to this. Your question,

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Speaker 1: the core your question, Is it the body that's doing this? No,

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Speaker 1: but the body is acting as these these little structs,

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Speaker 1: these hexagonal pentagonal aromatic rings are essentially holders of this

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Speaker 1: energy state. And now if you do the math, and

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Speaker 1: we've done it in our second book, just to see,

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Speaker 1: just for fun, to see what would happen. The computational

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Speaker 1: information holding capability of our bodies is in extraordinary astronomical numbers,

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Speaker 1: like in the numbers like sextillion, you know. So when

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Speaker 1: when you get into that kind of computational capability, it

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Speaker 1: would suggest to us that the information that's not just

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Speaker 1: within us as beings, as souls, whatever that may be,

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Speaker 1: you know from previous incarnations, but for those that the

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Speaker 1: information that's in the universe at large. You know, it's hell.

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Speaker 1: They call it the acautic field. That we know from

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Speaker 1: from just conventional physics that what we call the empty

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Speaker 1: space isn't empty at all. It's charged with massive amounts

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Speaker 1: of information or energy, and that that holds information in

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Speaker 1: and of itself. We don't talk about it that way

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Speaker 1: in conventional physics. Although John Wheeler, a famous physicist from

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Speaker 1: his three phases of his career. He said, in his

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Speaker 1: first phase was everything was particles, in the second phase

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Speaker 1: of his career, everything was waves, and in the third

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Speaker 1: phase of his career everything was information. So in a sense,

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Speaker 1: what he was trying to convey there is that information

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Speaker 1: is actually the base condition for all energetic manifestation in

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Speaker 1: our universe. So that's why I'm using the word information here.

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Speaker 1: With photons, light that comes from the sun is not

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Speaker 1: maybe just light, it's holding informational potential. And just as

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Speaker 1: our souls are holding informational potential, these are at a

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Speaker 1: quantum state. That's the difference between electrons, which is the

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Speaker 1: fermionic family, and they are belonging to, generally speaking, a

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Speaker 1: quantum wave state collapsed configuration, whereas information that's from photonic

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Speaker 1: sources is non quantum wave collapsed, which means it's indeterminate.

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Speaker 1: That indeterminacy is the reason why information can flow in

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Speaker 1: this non ordinary way. What's interesting to me is that

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Speaker 1: when you and I are exchanging words, right, we are

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Speaker 1: using a language system. That language system in and of

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Speaker 1: tends to limit our ability to experience. It's as though

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Speaker 1: categorical thinking is built on collapsing wave states, whereas when

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Speaker 1: you're in a meditative state, you're not necessarily you're beyond

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Speaker 1: what's called the discursive mind in Buddhism, which is beyond language.

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Speaker 1: You are receiving information at massive rates, and in a

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Speaker 1: sense you have mystical sight. You can see reality from

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Speaker 1: a multiplexed or omnivalent view, and you're just as when

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Speaker 1: people report reporting on near death experiences, where not only

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Speaker 1: them are reporting how they have their entire life will

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Speaker 1: heck would that be possible because the brain, the brain

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Speaker 1: at a monocular diagram called Lewis diagram, you'll see that

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Speaker 1: those molecules are full of these aromatic rings. Is it

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Speaker 1: any coincidence that they are packed with aromatic rings? And

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Speaker 1: I don't think there are coincidences. And they're associated with

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Speaker 1: these altered states and these higher states of awareness, and

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Speaker 1: just the conventional neurotransmitters of dopamine and serotonin are themselves

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Speaker 1: also built around these aromatic ring structures, and they're associated

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Speaker 1: with motivating us, right and for our sense of well being.

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Speaker 1: So this is not a coincidence. This is a signpost

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Speaker 1: does the primal mind fit into all this? Well, I

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Speaker 1: would say that the primal mind is just your baseline.

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Speaker 1: It's a baseline operating system for having a body in

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Speaker 1: an environment. But that doesn't mean it's the limits of

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Speaker 1: the system. The system is gifted with this huge, subtle

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Speaker 1: structure that's capable of dealing with light. How else can

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Speaker 1: we explain people who have memories of previous lives, people

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Speaker 1: who have near death experiences, people who have telepathy. And

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of good evidence in science today that

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Speaker 1: would say that, by Garrel Baman and Dean Radden, that

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Speaker 1: would say telepathy is not pseudoscience, it is science. And

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Speaker 1: the current mainstream science hasn't caught on to this yet.

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Speaker 1: Why because categorical thinking is collapsing the very thinking processes

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Speaker 1: all scientists do that Einstein, John Wheeler, and many others,

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Speaker 1: Rupert Sheldrake, these people have gone back to becoming we

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Speaker 1: We're being called on a path, and so the primal

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Speaker 1: mind is just one part of the process of instructing

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating work. Where does science take this next ball?

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