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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. Today we

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Speaker 1: are joined by Assistant GM of the Cubs, Jared Banner.

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Speaker 1: Jared got his start we're a decade ago, with the

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Speaker 1: Red Sox. He was with the Mets as a player

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Speaker 1: director of player development from twenty eighteen until he joined

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Speaker 1: the Cubs in December of twenty twenty, and then last

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Speaker 1: year he was promoted to I believe it was an

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Speaker 1: end of twenty three he was promoted to assistant GM.

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Speaker 1: And he's had his hands on farm the farm, he's

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Speaker 1: helped with pro scouting, He's had, you know, help in

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Speaker 1: a lot of areas. Obviously an assistant GM, he's impacting

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Speaker 1: the entire organization. Jared, welcome, Thanks so much for joining us,

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Speaker 1: and you're giving us your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, the story for the Cubs beyond just a great start.

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Speaker 1: Al Tucker being the MVP caliber, it's it's Peter Armstrong

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Speaker 1: being an MVP caliber player right now.

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Speaker 3: Just I mean, every single time I watch him play

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm impressed by it.

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Speaker 1: He's gotten to a level and I think we all

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if we realized it would actually happen.

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Speaker 1: It was like the ninety ninth percentile outcome is happening

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Speaker 1: right before us.

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 1: What what is your reaction to this PCA mania and

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Speaker 1: how do you believe he kind of found this next

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Speaker 1: level of performance.

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Speaker 4: I think my reaction is pretty similar to yours, which

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Speaker 4: is this is a lot of fun. Want to watch

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Speaker 4: Pete put a lot of hard work in over the years,

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Speaker 4: great young man, obviously an extremely talented ball player, and

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Speaker 4: those two things have collided a little bit here and

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Speaker 4: he's playing really well.

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Speaker 5: Part of the reason why we wanted to have you on,

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Speaker 5: Jared is I don't know if anyone in the organization

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Speaker 5: has kind of a longer or more varied history with

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Speaker 5: Pete than you.

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Speaker 6: Twenty twenty was a weird draft.

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Speaker 5: I know you're on the player development side, but can

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Speaker 5: you take us back to that moment of like what

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Speaker 5: were you hearing in terms of the player and the

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Speaker 5: person that was coming into your organization at that time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a strange time, just because a lot

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Speaker 4: of the high school seasons had been cut short a bit,

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Speaker 4: but nonetheless our amateur staff in New York really liked Pete.

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Speaker 4: The person I think back to a lot is the

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Speaker 4: scouting director at the time, Mark Tramuda. He's a scouting

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Speaker 4: director for the Blue Jays now. He really really loved

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Speaker 4: Pete as a player, just the ability to defend and

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Speaker 4: hit the ball, hit for power, things of that nature.

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Speaker 2: And they were.

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Speaker 4: Really excited to get him, and we were really excited

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Speaker 4: to have him in our development system. The thing that

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Speaker 4: So I didn't actually get to see him play until

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Speaker 2: In instructional League. And even though I.

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Speaker 4: Had heard about him and his name, you know, had

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Speaker 4: talent attached to it, it wasn't until I actually saw

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Speaker 2: He has a chance to be special.

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Speaker 3: Well, like you said, he didn't get a lot.

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Speaker 1: He didn't get much any playing time early with the

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Speaker 1: I mean, is twenty one was wiped out. Is there

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Speaker 1: any chance you guys get him if he's healthy, if

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Speaker 1: he's playing, do you think you guys even have a

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Speaker 1: shot at trading for PCA.

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Speaker 4: It's hard to imagine, but sometimes players can get out

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Speaker 4: it's hard to speak to what they were thinking at

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Speaker 4: They really needed an infielder. They wanted Hobby Bias, who

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Speaker 1: I got a quick follow up on that, Jared. What

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Speaker 1: you know, you hadn't seen him really play much outside

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Speaker 1: of what the you said the instructionals, and then as

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say we had a lot of questions

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Speaker 4: and rightfully, so we hadn't seen him play in a while.

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Speaker 4: You know, who knows the status of the shoulder at

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Speaker 4: the time. But ultimately we decided there was so much

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Speaker 5: Jared, you're in the the office now as we record.

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Speaker 5: Can you explain what the.

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Speaker 6: Mood was like?

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Speaker 5: Uh, you know, for you, Jed, that inner circle that

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Speaker 5: was working on that trade deadline of knowing kind of

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Speaker 5: and that some of these players such as Pete, you know,

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Speaker 5: even if they're great, we're going to take a long

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Speaker 5: back to that moment what it was like on the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was an active deadline.

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Speaker 4: We actually convene in our draft room during the trade

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Speaker 4: deadline normally, and we had a lot of different players

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Speaker 4: that we were talking about with KB and Rizzo and

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Speaker 4: a lot of guys that have done a lot for

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't easy, wasn't cut and dry.

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Speaker 4: I think Jed did a did a really great job

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Speaker 4: of not only managing multiple transactions or potential transactions at

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Speaker 4: sure you get something worthwhile back in return. I think

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Speaker 4: that Jed did a great job, especially in this particular deal.

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Speaker 5: And what were you kind of telling Jed, obviously because

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Speaker 5: you had the background that others probably didn't. What was

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Speaker 5: your feedback that you had given him and the rest

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Speaker 4: Just it was a really really hard working kid, very

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Speaker 4: I remember seeing him hit a home run at one

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Speaker 4: that's special. Most guys that run and defend like that

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Speaker 4: him the information that I had. But it was really

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Speaker 4: ultimately Jude's choice to pull the trigger on the deal.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it looks it looks good so far.

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Speaker 1: Did you see him struggle with the emotional aspect of

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Speaker 1: disassociate from that aspect because, like Patrick said, this was

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Speaker 1: the World Series team. I mean, he built something that

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Speaker 1: everyone thought was pretty special in Chicago, and it was

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Speaker 1: the right move, but it was it had to be.

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Speaker 1: It was the right baseball move, but it had to

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Speaker 1: be hard. As emotional aspect of it all, Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: It was certainly hard. I'm sure it was was harder

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Speaker 4: for for Jed than it was for me. For example,

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Speaker 4: I wasn't here for a lot of those a lot

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Speaker 4: of those glory years. But it definitely took a took

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Speaker 4: lot of emotions at the time. But like everything else,

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Speaker 4: he did what was best for the organization over the

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Speaker 4: long term.

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Speaker 1: Jarrey, We're going to take a real quick break here

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Speaker 1: and then and then we'll be right back with a

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Speaker 1: few more questions.

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Speaker 1: When we were in Milwaukee, Jared Pete actually brought you up.

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Speaker 3: He said. He was talking about his time with the Mets.

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Speaker 1: He said, first day, I think I overslept for my

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Speaker 1: COVID test. That was like the best blessing in disguise.

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Speaker 1: We obviously talked about it, and I think we got

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Speaker 1: all the way back to the Mets felt pretty free,

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Speaker 1: I'm grateful for that because it's probably a different story

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Speaker 3: So, you know, Pete has been allowed to be himself.

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Speaker 1: I think that's you know, people love that about Pete,

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Speaker 1: his seeing his emotion on the field. I'm curious what

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Speaker 4: I have the same the same memory we have. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's the first day of instruction league. We have maybe

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Speaker 4: towards the end of COVID testing, Hey, has everyone done?

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Speaker 2: We get everyone in? Anyone have COVID?

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Speaker 4: Like, well, yeah, we got everyone in, but there's one

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Speaker 4: person mis saying okay, you know who's that, Peter Armstrong.

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Speaker 4: So we sent someone back over to a hotel where

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Speaker 4: you know, we were calling the Morgan and the answer.

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Speaker 2: Someone eventually like banged on his.

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Speaker 4: definitely overslept it and it was the first day he's

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Speaker 4: It wasn't a huge thing, but I do remember telling him, hey,

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Speaker 4: you know, this can't happen anymore. So, but yeah, pizza

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Speaker 4: pizza unique personality, and I think as an organization are

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Speaker 4: a competitor, he gets he gets excited about things, and

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Speaker 4: he should and and we're all we're all happy to

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Speaker 4: watch him and he's fun to watch.

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Speaker 5: We've we've had conversations over the years, and one thing

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Speaker 5: that stuck out to me was kind of as you

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Speaker 5: were overseeing the farm system, you stress this idea of

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Speaker 5: like there were kind of three main themes in player development.

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Speaker 5: One's having a growth mindset, who's being great teammates.

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Speaker 6: And three is being evidence based.

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Speaker 5: And I was curious just how, looking back on it,

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Speaker 5: did Pete's development sort of reflect those ideas? Can you

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Speaker 4: Development is not linear generally, they're ups and downs to it.

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Speaker 4: He's built for this, Honestly. I think if anyone's prepared

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been It's been really fun to cover this

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Speaker 1: care all right, Patrick, We got we got three with

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Speaker 1: to preview that with the Cubs. Uh, PCA is the story, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is you know we we will talk

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Speaker 1: I think the fact that PCA has become this Uh,

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Speaker 1: Patrick pca Is has become like the face of this

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Speaker 3: It's just, uh, Pa has this.

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Speaker 1: I think Jared's right, He's built for this. He seems

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Speaker 6: There's going to be a history there.

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Speaker 5: I mean it starts with his dad, you know, being

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it was kind of Jared to join us. I've

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Speaker 1: He's easy to get behind in the sense like this,

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Speaker 1: He's easy to talk to, and he's and he's fun

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