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The Colin Coward Podcast 11 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: presented by the Fan Duel Sports Book. Hi, everybody, welcome 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: in to our Friday podcast. Long time Celtics an NBA 13 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: reporter Chris Mannix stops by. They've seized control of the finals. 14 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: But first, fake questions, real answers. I do this every Friday. 15 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: Stuff I want to talk about, but don't want to 16 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: wait for you to ask me. Dear Colin, what do 17 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: you think of people saying that Draymond Green's podcast is 18 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 1: hurting his performance in the NBA Finals. Yeah? Sometimes I'm 19 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: just not sure the media is sober. Draymond Green's been 20 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: doing the podcast all season. He did it during the 21 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: Memphis series, he did it during the Dallas series, and 22 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: now he's doing it against the Celtics. You think maybe 23 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: it's the Celtics are the best team he's faced. The 24 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: Celtics are probably harder to face than other teams because 25 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: they're the best defense historically, maybe since the Chicago Bulls 26 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: with MJ. Pippen, Ron Harper and Rodman. Come on, folks, 27 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: try harder. Draymond green is realizing what every buddy in 28 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,919 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference did. It is hard to be good 29 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: game after game against EMAA, DOCA, this rim, protecting Robert Williams, 30 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: Marcus Smart, Defensive Player of the Year defense, the Warriors, 31 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: and Draymond Greene. I think we'll rebound at some point 32 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: in this series, but winning it very much in doubt. 33 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: It's not about the podcast, it's about the people, and 34 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: the Celtics have really good ones. Dear Colin, do you 35 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: have a problem with Dustin Johnson saying he's joining the 36 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: liv Tour the Live Tour because he feels he needs 37 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: to make more money. Well, what he really said is 38 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to play golf forever, and these people 39 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: joining it can make two to three times the money 40 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: in half the time. I don't want to work forever, either, 41 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: do you. Here's what people who are not driven or 42 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: not entrepreneurs don't get. I hear this all the time, 43 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: haven't you made enough money? You do realize that people 44 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: that win powerball continue to play the lottery because they 45 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: find some enjoyment in the lottery. They don't say I 46 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: won powerball, I'm done playing the lottery. It's a habit 47 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: for them. They have fun with it, and that's how 48 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs see business. I would say of all the media members, 49 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: the least ambitious are often sports writers. That's nothing against them, 50 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: but occasionally you'll find a very driven sportswriter. Mitch Album 51 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: was the best local sportswriter in the country. He won 52 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: national awards doing that. He also hosted a local radio 53 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: show and wrote books that became national best sellers made 54 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: into movies. He also worked weekends at ESPN sports reporters. 55 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: He was entrepreneurial. He gained great enjoyment from working. He 56 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: could have easily stopped at just writing a column, but 57 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: his ambition needed more people who say haven't you made 58 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: enough money? Dustin Johnson likes to compete. He wants to 59 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: improve sold lots of people. The PGA tour has made billions. 60 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: Should they stop trying to make money or continue to grow? 61 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: Why do we always pick on individuals and not corporations. 62 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I work for Fox. They've made billions of dollars? 63 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: Should they stop now? They've made enough? Some people don't 64 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: have that gene. They're not entrepreneurs. They're not driven, they're apathetic, 65 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: they're content. Good is good enough? Dustin Johnson, Phil Mickelson, 66 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: These guys want more. I get it. Dear Colin, what 67 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: do you think of the Washington Commander's defensive coordinator, Jack 68 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: del Rio calling the January sixth attack on the Capitol 69 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: a dustop? Hoopboy? Some people should stick to sports. But 70 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: let's be honest. We have people in America that were 71 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: outraged by Colin Kaepernick taking a knee, the definition of 72 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: a peaceful protest. But they call January sixth a dust up. 73 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: Oh what hypocrites they are. I am for peaceful protests. 74 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: I am not for January sixth. If you're downplaying it 75 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: and minimizing it, it was an attack on our government. 76 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: Dear Colin. Lebron James said this week he'd liked to 77 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: own an NBA team in Vegas. How do you think 78 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: it would go. I think he'd be a great owner. 79 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: Why because I think Vegas continues to be a great 80 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: place for professional sports as gambling grows, no state tax, 81 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: warm winter weather, the NBA's a winter league. It'd be 82 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: a very attractive place proximity to California. Players would love 83 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: to play in Vegas. But lebron has two qualities that 84 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: are very important in business. He is measured and he 85 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: is calculated. He didn't get a lot of technicals, he 86 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: didn't get in fights. He's very much a businessman. He's 87 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: the first active player in pro basketball to make a 88 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: billion dollars or be worth a billion dollars. So Michael 89 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: Jordan actually also has the kind of personality that a 90 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: businessman should. He is measured and he is calculated. He 91 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: got great criticism and pressure to talk more politics during 92 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: his playing days, and he relented. What I don't want 93 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: is a chaotic artist owning my sports team. When I 94 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: heard Kanye West could possibly own the Broncos, run for 95 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: your lives. He's a chaotic and inconsistent personality. Those have 96 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: often entered the ownership space, not just celebrities, but the 97 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: worst owners we've had in pro sports have reacted impulsively 98 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslam of the Browns with a Deshaun Watson contract. 99 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: Bad owners are impulsive, Bad owners are inconsistent. Bad owners 100 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: and business people play with emotion too often. Lebron is smart, 101 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: measured and calculated. 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You know, people are forgetting when 143 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: they criticize the pod, they're not giving the Celtics credit. 144 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: He did the pod during the Maverick Series, the Memphis Series, 145 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: and the regular season. The difference is Celtics are really 146 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: good and they have marginalized and shrunk several NBA stars. 147 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Kevin Durant had his worst series as a pro. 148 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: It's like, can we give the Celtics credit. It's the 149 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: best defense I've seen since the Jordan Bulls. Right, yeah, 150 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: I would. I was at the Jordan Bulls. I think 151 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: of the early nineties bad Boy Pistons. You have to 152 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: go back literally decades to find a defense that is 153 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: as versatile and tough and just diverse in every area 154 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: that the Celtics are. They lock you down with great 155 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: perimeter defenders. They've got a premier shot blocker in Robert Williams, 156 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: who even at like I think he's like sixty percent 157 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: right now playing through that knee injury, He's still able 158 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: to contest and block a lot of shots for in 159 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: that last game. It's not anything Draymond is saying on 160 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: his podcast. I did feel a little bit bad for 161 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: Jake Fisher. I know Jake a little bit. Um. He 162 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: used to work at SI and I don't think he 163 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: had bad intentions when he kind of was asking Draymond 164 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: that question about giving away stuff on the pod, but 165 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: wrong time. As Draymond he he was not looking to 166 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: entertain that theory at all. Listen, Um, this is the 167 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: simplest way to describe what I'm seeing. The Celtics don't 168 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: even need Jason Tatum to play well to control much 169 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: of the series. The Warriors need Steff to be great 170 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: for four quarters or at least three, or they're done 171 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: in this series. The role players, the non starters, the 172 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: non stars for the Celtics are contributing mightily in this series, 173 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: and the Warriors many of their young players. Moody's not ready, 174 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: Kaminga is not ready, Wiseman's not healthy, Pools hit and miss. 175 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: I said this today on television. Most not all, but 176 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: most championship teams have a majority of their best players 177 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: in their prime. Celtics do, Warriors don't little old, They're 178 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 1: little young there. I think it's that simple. I think 179 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: the fact that Boston can control the series and Tatum 180 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: has been okay, I kind of feel like the Warriors 181 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: are doomed. Am I overreacting? No? I don't think so. 182 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: In look, I picked the Celtics to win in six 183 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: to start this series because everything I've seen from Boston, 184 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: and I've been up close and personal with them since 185 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: the start of the season, but everything I've seen from 186 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: Boston from late January on suggests that they're the real deal. 187 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the numbers from mid 188 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: January to the end of the season, they weren't just 189 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: the best defense in the NBA. They were the best 190 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: defense in the NBA by a country mile. And we 191 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: mentioned the top they're generationally good defense. And to your point, 192 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: they don't need Jason Tatum to go off to put 193 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: up between one hundred and five and one hundred and 194 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: fifteen points. They need Tatum to contribute in other ways. 195 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: They need him to be a facilitator, which is something 196 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: that Emai Udoka has drilled into him really from the 197 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: start of the season. But as long as he's contributing 198 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: in that way, they don't need to him to be 199 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: a carry the team type of offensive player because they 200 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: do have a wide selection of weapons they can go to. 201 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: I mean, Jalen Brown I thought in Game three set 202 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: the tone in that game. I mean, he was the 203 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: one out there being aggressive early on. Jalen's the kind 204 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: of guy Colin that he heard and read every single 205 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: thing that was out there about Draymond Green locking him 206 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: up in game two, about the way the Warriors pivoted 207 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: to Draymond on Jalen and the impact that had on him, 208 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: and he came out looking like he was determined to 209 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: show that he was better than that. On top of that, 210 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: Al Horford or the player that scored the twenties in 211 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: game one, that scored the two points in game two, 212 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: Grant Williams started to make a couple of shots. Peyton 213 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: Pritchard made a couple of shots. The margin for error 214 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: for Boston is just a lot wider than the margin 215 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: for error with Golden State. You know, Clay had a 216 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: great Game three, but I'm not banking on Clay playing 217 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: like that the rest of this series. Everything I've seen 218 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: of Clay this postseason tells me that when he's left 219 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: alone for standalone jump shots, he's the old Clay Thompson. 220 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: When he's asked to play on the move or run 221 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: off screens, he is a diminished version of himself because 222 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: my body's not all the way back from those lower 223 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: leg injuries. So you know, Steph is now hurt with 224 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: what he says, the same injury that cost him what 225 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: like a month plus towards the end of the season. 226 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: Maybe a little bit better than what that was. I 227 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: just think Golden State is in a world of trouble 228 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: to where it's the point where if Boston wins Game four, 229 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: I think they win the series in five. Yeah, so 230 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 1: I'll throw this at you that ja Adonde was on 231 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: my TV show and he said, you know, they should 232 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: have strongly considered moving him because they're trying to pull 233 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: two things together. The best player on this team is 234 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: Steph Curry, and he's the soul of the team. So 235 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: I would say Steph's got two more really good years 236 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: and you know, cross your fingers on health and then 237 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: you'll see some diminished staff. But he's got two more 238 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: really good years left, and that may be at sixty games, 239 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: not eighty two. They may rest him right like we're 240 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: seeing with Lebron now. It's the injuries pile up. So 241 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: Moody's twenty coming as nineteen, Wiseman's twenty one. Okay, they 242 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: are two years away from really lining up. They won't 243 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: peak then, as we see the growth with Jaylen Brown 244 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: and the growth with Jason Tatum, they'll be in their 245 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: prime at twenty four. They're four years away. So there's 246 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: an argument to be made if you get beat in 247 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: five games in this series. Draymond's expensive, Clay is expensive, 248 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: Wiggins expensive staff expensive, and the young guys don't line 249 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: up with Steph. And I'll just throw this at you, Chris, 250 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: you're very connected. I think you have to consider because 251 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: you're not moving off Steph. He's still too great and 252 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: you're probably not moving Clay and Draymond because of the history. 253 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: I think you move Wiggins potentially, and I think you 254 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: have to move one of these young guys are two 255 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: to get a player that can help you. Now. I 256 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: know it seems that's not what the Warriors do. They 257 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: draft and develop, But Chris, if you don't line up 258 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: in Steff's timeline, what's the point. Right It's a gut 259 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: wrenching decision that Bob Meyers is going to have to 260 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: make because even though we've seen very little of James Wiseman, 261 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: he has big time talented. He could turn out to 262 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: be the next great center in the NBA. What we've 263 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: seen from Cominga and Moody suggest they might be as 264 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: early as two years away from contributing to a championship 265 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: team and maybe even being capable of leading one. But 266 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: right now they're not. And I agree with you. You 267 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: have to decide if you're going to maximize this window 268 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: of Steph, Clay and Draymond, which is probably two to 269 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: three years, and sentrifice and sacrifice some of these young 270 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: guys to go and get him. Now, I see, at 271 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: least early on, when I talk to people across the league, 272 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: I see two options for them immediately. One is Bradley Beale. Yes, 273 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: we haven't heard a lot about Bradley Beale over the 274 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: last couple of months, but I believe he's gonna want 275 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: to go somewhere else. That's just my gut feeling from 276 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: talking to people that know Bradley Beale. And if he does, 277 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: you don't have to say sacrifice too much young talent 278 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: to get him in a sign and trade. Maybe it's 279 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins, maybe it's one other piece and you can 280 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: get Bradley Beale who fits the timeline that we're talking about. 281 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: The other player that gets brought up a lot in 282 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: NBA circles is Rudy Gobert. Now, Rudy Gobert, you'd have 283 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: to give up something to get him. You'd have to 284 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: give up one or two of your young players to 285 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: extract him from Utah. We know Danny Ainge plays hardball 286 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: in deals like this. He's not going to just hand 287 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: over Rudy for Nichols on the dollar. But you can 288 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: see the value that Rudy Gobert would bring to this 289 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: Warrior's team. They are not a team loaded with plus defenders. 290 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: Draymond is a plus defender. Andrew Wiggins is a plus defender. 291 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: But Steph, even though he was a lot better this year, 292 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: you wouldn't say he's a plus defender. Clay Thompson, maybe 293 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: he gets back to that, but what have you seen 294 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: from Clay during his playoffs calling? Who is he guarding? 295 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: He's guarding bigger players because he doesn't have the lateral 296 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: quickness right now to be the Clay Thompson defensively that 297 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: he once was. Maybe he gets it back, maybe a 298 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: full offseason gets him back to being that player, but 299 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: right now you have to question whether he's going to 300 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: be a plus defender moving forward. Jordan Poole, I don't 301 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: ever see that. I don't see him ever becoming a 302 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: plus defender. So you bring in Rudy Gobert, and he 303 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: has the ability to transform your defense in just one 304 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: move and make you a better defensive team. Now you 305 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: lose something, you can't switch like they do right now, 306 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: and you have to recreate your defense a little bit. 307 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: But he gives them a defensive presence that they're clearly lacking. 308 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: So that's another name that I here talked a lot 309 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: when it comes to Golden State. Let me throw this 310 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: at you. The advantage being the Patriots without culture for years, 311 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: they always got great value when they move players, because 312 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: Wiggins is a great example. You move into a great culture. 313 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,360 Speaker 1: I mean he was sort of lost and people were 314 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: done with him, and now it's like hmm. So the 315 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: truth is you're gonna get more from him than he'll 316 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: probably deliver to another culture. And that's where Jordan Pool 317 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: is interesting. If you brought Bradley Beale over Pool, this 318 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: may be it. He was a g leaguer not long ago. 319 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: This may be it. So if if you Bradley, you 320 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: think to yourself, you'd have Pool and Steph and Clay 321 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: and Beal. The guy I think you consider moving is 322 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: Jordan Pool. I think this is it. I don't think 323 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: I think he's a hot and cold player. He's a 324 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: b player that has a nights. You put him with Washington, 325 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: he could end up being a bounce around the league guyon. 326 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: He could become Jordan Clarkson, that's right. Yeah. So that's 327 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: one thing the Warriors have is everybody looks a half 328 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: a grade better in their culture than they are. I 329 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: don't know if I like go Bart. I've been I 330 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: have been the biggest Bradley Beal van for years. I 331 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: think pat Riley wants Bradley Beal because I think he 332 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: wants a true number one scoring option. And I think 333 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: I think you're seeing this with Jannis in the East, 334 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: with Robert Williams in the East. BAM's a defensive player, 335 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: he's completely shut down. And Jimmy Butler's more athlete than score. 336 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: So I think all this is just fascinating. Let's let's 337 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: pivot back to the series. So Email Duku comes into 338 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: the Celtics and they have a really bad first two months, 339 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: and um, you don't always see that in football coaching. 340 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: Sometimes Sean McVeagh goes to the Rams, it works instantly 341 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: with Jared goff so, but in basketball is different for 342 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: some reason. Spolstral lebron Wade, it took like twenty games 343 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: to get it right. You were there? Why were they 344 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: so bad early? Yeah? I was there and over the 345 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: weekend I spoke to Email adok on then for about 346 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: twenty minutes about this specific subject, and we talked about 347 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: the resistance that he faced from these Celtics players early 348 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: on to two specific things that he was trying to implement. Defensively, 349 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: they play very differently from how they played under Brad 350 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: Stevens the way this team switches. Only a handful of 351 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: teams in the NBA do it, largely because if you 352 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: don't have a point guard that can switch in the 353 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: way that Marcus Smart can switch, there's no point in 354 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: doing it. And the Celtics for the last ten years 355 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: they have often or always really had a lead guard 356 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: who has been a defensive liability, whether it was Isaac Thomas, 357 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving, Kemba Walker. You had to hide that player. 358 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: So the Celtics, they were transforming their defense in training 359 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: camp to become something totally different, to the point where 360 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: Emay told me that Jason Tatum came to him in 361 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: the first week at training camp. It's saying, you know, 362 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: maybe this isn't gonna work, Maybe we should go back 363 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: to some of the principles that we used in previous seasons. 364 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: Emay's message just stick with it, stick with it, and 365 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: force them to stick with it. The other part on 366 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 1: the other end of the ball was that, you know, 367 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: Emay he had a bird's eye view of these Celtics 368 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: for the last two years. He was an assistant on 369 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: Brett Brown staff. When they lost to Boston the Bubble, 370 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: he was an assistant on Steve Nash's staff when they 371 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: beat them in the first round. He knew what this 372 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: team needed, and what this team needed was for Jason 373 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: Tatum and Jaylen Brown to stop being so focused on 374 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 1: being one on one players and become playmakers, to embrace 375 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: that part of the offensive game. It was funny calling. 376 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: You go back even further to when Emay was introduced 377 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: as the Celtics head coach. He's sitting up there next 378 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: to Brad Stevens and somebody asked him about improvements and 379 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: he may specifically sites that the Celtics were twenty seventh 380 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: and assists that previous season. It looks over Brad kind 381 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: of sheepishly and it's like, sorry, Brad, sorry I had 382 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: to say it, but we need to improve in that area. 383 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: So he knew what this team needed to do to 384 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: get better. It just took them months to figure it 385 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: out and to really embrace it. They weren't truly bought in, 386 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: probably until after the first of the year. There were 387 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: flickers towards the end. You remember that Phoenix game on 388 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve where they just blew the doors off 389 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: the Suns. They were moving the ball really well there, 390 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: but It wasn't until mid to late January where it 391 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: all started to coalesce and they completely bought it. One 392 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: thing he did that surprised me that worked was his 393 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: tough love paid off. I mean, I do TV in 394 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: Boston as well for NBC Sports. I do the pre 395 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: and postgame show, and I can't tell you the number 396 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: of times I sat on that desk after bad losses, 397 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: watching an Emay press conference and then responding to it 398 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: after he had just taken out the blowtorch and napalm 399 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: the these guys like he was hitting them hard. He 400 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: wasn't you know. Brad Stevens. His philosophy, as it is 401 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: with many coaches in the NBA, was to take it 402 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: all on him. It was the coach's fault. I made 403 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: all the mistakes, it's not the players, because he believed 404 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: that was in the best interest of the team. Emay 405 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: didn't do that. Emay just went out there and specifically 406 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: cited guys who weren't getting the job done. I remember 407 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: thinking this is never gonna work. Like a coach with 408 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: no resume to speak of a first year head coach 409 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: on any level blasting his team in the way Emay 410 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: is is never gonna work. But it turns out that's 411 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 1: exactly the kind of coaching that these Celtics craved and 412 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: exactly the kind of coaching that they ultimately responded to. 413 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: So it was, you know it, look a quick example, 414 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: Robert Williams is playing in this series right now because 415 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: Emay Udoka spent the first two months of the year, 416 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: and even before then into training camp, finding nine hundred 417 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,360 Speaker 1: ways to call Robert william soft to basically imply that 418 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: Robert Williams in years past did not play through Paine 419 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: as much as he as he should have. Fast forward 420 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: through this season, there's a toughness to Robert Williams that 421 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: simply did not exist in previous years, and that's what's 422 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: enabling him to go out there on one leg a month, 423 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: coming back a month after knee surgery, and give them 424 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five good minutes every single night. That's a 425 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: direct result of the tough love Emailudoka showed him. You know, 426 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: there was a point and again it's been a players 427 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: league forever, but there was a point where a few 428 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: years ago, and some of this it sounds crazy, but 429 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: Donald Trump had everybody on edge in this country and 430 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: it was very polarizing, and the players, the NBA players, 431 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: I thought rightly so took a real stand, like this 432 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,120 Speaker 1: shit ain't gonna fly. You're with him, You're not with us. 433 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: And not that the NBA had coaches that were Republican 434 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: or conservative or pro Trump, but the players were empowered 435 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: and they felt strongly about a social situation in our country. 436 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of coaches in that process 437 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: doubled down on their empowerment. I thought it was the 438 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: right thing to do, but that can be difficult for 439 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: twenty four twenty six year old players. Then you have 440 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: to pivot back to Okay, I'm going a hard coach, 441 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: you're at the next year. And maybe I'm just reaching here. 442 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: But it's always been a players league. But I did 443 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: feel there was a time when the players really were 444 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: the league needed the coaches, the GMS, the commissioner. No, no, no, no, 445 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: We're not going to have a president criticizing our players. Period. 446 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: Then the pandemic, the bubble, and then you got to 447 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: pivot back to that, and it really works. Steve Kirk 448 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: and coach hard Emay coach is hard. Pop coaches hard Spolstra. 449 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: Coach is hard. I do think players want to be 450 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: coached hard. I think what happened to Brad Stevens is 451 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: he smartly realized they were tuning him out. He had 452 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: a player two that didn't just didn't connect with him, 453 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: and he realized this is not the time. That was 454 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: my takeaway, as he's a smart enough guy, got self awareness. 455 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: He's like, you know, I think Quinn Snyder feels the 456 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: same way. Like I'm just running in circles here. I 457 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: can't figure out the Gobeart Donovan Mitchell issue. I can't 458 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: solve this jigsaw puzzle. Let's get a former player in here. No. 459 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: I think when it comes to hard coaching, you have 460 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: to read the room right. I mean Brad Stevens for 461 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: his entire time in Boston, I viewed him as a 462 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: top ten coach. At times, I felt he was a 463 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: top five coach in the NBA. His play calling, his 464 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: understanding of basketball is at an elite level. But as 465 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: he got towards the end, it's certainly I don't know 466 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: if his voice was being drowned out or tuned out, 467 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: but it wasn't having the same impact. The players were 468 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: not responding in the way they responded early in the 469 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: careers of Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown, and Marcus Smart. And 470 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: to Brad Stevens credit, he didn't go out there and 471 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: find someone that he could connect with or relate with 472 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: on a personal level. He went out there and found 473 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: the anti Brad Stevens. He found a coach who was 474 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: philosophically and in terms of coaching background completely different. Emayodoca 475 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: ex player, never been a head coach on any level, 476 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: long time assistant, defensive minded guy as he was in 477 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: his previous two stops in Brooklyn and in Philadelphia. He 478 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: found a guy that could give this team something that 479 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: he couldn't. That's one of the biggest reasons the Celtics 480 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: are there right now, are here right now. And I 481 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: agree with you on Quinn Snyder. I think it's the 482 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: exact same type of situation. I don't know if a 483 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: new coach is going to be able to come in 484 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: and elevate that team to a Celtics like level. There 485 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: are just too many flaws with that roster, beginning on 486 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: the defensive side. But I do think they would respond 487 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: better to a different coach than Quinn Snyder. Yeah. Well, 488 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm just enjoying the hell out of these playoffs, Like tonight. 489 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: I'm we're taping this on Thursday. I'm like, what am 490 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: I supposed to do? I got nothing to do. This 491 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: is as much fun this playoff run. To me, We've 492 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: had just enough nonsense with Harden and you know Simmons, 493 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: just enough craziness. We've had shocking upsets where Game seven, 494 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: Phoenix at Home is sand blasted by Dallas. Maybe I'll 495 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: regret this, but I've been pretty accurate picking the series. 496 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: I think Boston's the better team. I don't think Robert 497 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: Williams is a solvable issue. I don't think they're going 498 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: to score on the interior. Listen, I said this, the 499 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: Warriors have become a bar stool missing a leg. The 500 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,719 Speaker 1: Celtics can score now low perimeter transition. The Warriors can 501 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: score perimeter transition. They can't score down low. If Robert 502 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: placed twenty eight minutes, they can't score. You've just taken 503 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: a bar stool away from their offense. I think that's 504 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 1: the series. I know it sounds crazy that Robert Williams 505 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: is the series, but I'm watching these games. I'm like, 506 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 1: when he's on the floor, Warriors are completely limited. He 507 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: had a profound impact on the second half of Game three, 508 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: especially in that fourth quarter. I did think it was 509 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: interesting that the Celtics played brilliantly in the first quarter 510 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: and Robert Williams went to the bench three minutes in 511 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: and they went small and play with that lineup, which 512 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: I think speaks to the different ways that the Celtics 513 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: can beat you. The warriors and the half court have 514 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: no shot against the Celtics defense. Their efficiency numbers in 515 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: the half court in this series are terrible. They need 516 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: Boston to beat itself. They need the Celtics to throw 517 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: the ball around the gym, commit eighteen turnovers like they 518 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: did in Game two eleven live ball, so they can 519 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: get thirty three points in transition. That's what they need 520 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: to have happened. They need the Celtics to just implode 521 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: once again in the third quarter, as they have frankly 522 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: for every game in this series, but a little bit 523 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: less in Game three. If the Celtics don't beat themselves, 524 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: I don't see any path for Golden State to beat Boston. 525 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: They're just are too many ways for the Celtics to 526 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: win and not enough ways for Golden State to do it. Yep, 527 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: Chris Mannix Sports Illustrated. We've got him doing boxing for 528 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: us and guesting on basketball. Just we are said this 529 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: before on the volume. We're very lucky. We're a small company. 530 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: We're just starting and we got some huge breaks early. 531 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: And I didn't even know Chris Mannix was available. I 532 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: got a call from somebody he said, what do you 533 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: think of Chris Mannox? And I'm like, Wow, we're a 534 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: legitimate We're a legitimate media company. We can employ Chris Mannox. 535 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: You're You're great. You know what I think of you. 536 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: And I'm happy for Boston. You know what, California has 537 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: won a lot of championships recently. It's time. The Red 538 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: Sox aren't going to win this year. The Yankees are, 539 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: so it's going to be a really rough New England summer. 540 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 1: The Patriots aren't the same franchise. It looks like the 541 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: new big shops in town of the Celtics, and it's great, 542 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: see anybody and Colin. This is for the Celtics, not 543 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: to put the cart ahead of the horse. But all 544 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: these guys from most of these guys are twenty five, 545 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: twenty six years old. Most of these guys are under 546 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: contract for the long term. I think the Celtics eventually 547 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: will have to figure out the air to Al Horford, 548 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: He'll probably be back next year on the same contract, 549 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: but they have they have real staying power. And on 550 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: the subject of the Volume Man, kudos to you for 551 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: for the foresight for Draymond. Like, I woke up this 552 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: morning and the first thing I did was listening to 553 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: Draymond Green's podcast. The first thing I did because I 554 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: want to hear his reaction to the game, his reaction 555 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: to the crowd, and he is unfiltered. I'll say that 556 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 1: he's been such a great addition. 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