WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: DTR-The Witchcraft 0:00:00.600 --> 0:00:05.200 Hey, everybody, Steve here. We today are releasing a bonus 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:09.319 episode of Thinking Sideways. It's our show that we call 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:12.600 Down the rabbit Hole. As some of you may know, 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:15.920 we are on Stitcher Premium, and once a month on 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.240 Stitcher Premium, we put out bonus content and we wanted 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:22.200 to share with you what that bonus content was so 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:24.360 you could know what you could get if you were 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:27.560 to join Stitcher Premium. So what you're gonna hear here 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:31.000 is an episode that we released a couple of months back, 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:32.920 and this is the kind of thing that you would 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:38.840 get on a regular basis. So enjoy Thinking Sideways, stories 0:00:38.840 --> 0:01:09.080 of things we don't know the answer to. Hi there, 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.319 welcome to a very special episode of Thinking Sideways. And 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.640 by very special, we don't mean heartwarming, we mean murder 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:18.880 down the rabbit Hole. Yeah, we're going down the rabbit Hole. 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:22.200 Brought to you, of course, by Stitcher Premium, which you 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.320 probably already know about since you're listening to us on 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:29.120 Stitcher Premium. Okay, you guys, ready to go about this mystery? 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.520 All right? And I am Joe, by the way, and 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.640 brought to you by Joe, brought to you by you, 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.960 brought to you by you, brought to us by your 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:41.600 mom and your dad. Your mother, Yeah, okay, I'm Joe, 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:49.080 and those other two people forget about them. And then oh, okay, 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.240 good glad, we got that straight. Right. So let's talk 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.120 about a mystery, and you guys are gonna like this one. 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:02.200 It involves the Braminer Triangle. Yeah, and a boat which 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.720 vanished mysteriously, which is what you're doing it. It's pretty cool. Yeah. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.480 And now wait, if you're one of those people that's 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.919 sick of the Bermuda Triangle thing, this is a little different, 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.799 would you guys not agree because a little bit yeah, yeah, 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:16.440 I mean, it's not one of those boats have sailed. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.160 It's just really on the fringe of the whole Bermuda Triangle. Well, 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:21.040 it's really on the tip of the tip of the triangle. 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:25.040 And it actually this boat vanished within sight of Miami Beach, Florida, 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.919 within sight and also just after communicating with the coast guard, 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.480 like minutes after, and then the book just is vanished. 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.720 But let's start from the beginning. This happened fifty years 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:40.360 ago on December seven, and the boat that disappeared was 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.680 called the Witchcraft, and it was a twenty three ft 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:47.760 cabin cruiser owned by Daniel Barrak, who was a real 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.680 estate and hotel developer in Pennsylvania and I think also 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.000 in Miami. Uh. He was fairly rich, had a house, 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.480 a really nice house, and a really nice neighborhood in 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.320 Miami Beach, plus a few others in Pennsylvania. Aboard the 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.600 boat with Dan Barack was a passenger, Father Patrick Horgan 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:09.160 also called Pedre Corrigan, who was a Catholic priest from 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:13.160 Fort Lauderdale, although originally used from Ireland. Uh. He had 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:18.359 been naturalized like ten months before. Yeah. Yeah, so they 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:20.560 were the only two passengers on the boat. Dan Burrac 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:22.679 invited Father Horrigan to go out on his boat to 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.519 see the Christmas lights of Miami from the water. You're right, yeah, 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.600 I know. It sounds like a fun little outing. I 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.560 don't know if they took beer or not. I assume 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.919 they did. They left Dan barracks home on Sunset Island, 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:37.760 I should say Sunset Island, number four, Miami Beach. I know, 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.200 there's a little string of four islands there on the 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.560 inside of the island that is Miami Beach, right, Yeah, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.160 so number one is the most prim real estate. I 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.560 don't know about that. It was just numbered one to 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:51.640 four as you want as you go north to south, 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.920 and uh, you know, and actually it's kind of nice 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.560 actually that they didn't name them all different name like 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:03.840 Sunset Island and Treasure Island and you know, Bunny Island Island. Yeah, exactly, 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.440 state Bler Island. They were running out of names. Okay, 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.160 a lot of islands down there. I gotta like that. 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.920 The the office products chain, you know that's posted. Have 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.000 you ever been in a town where you wonder where 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:17.920 the hell they came up with the street names? It's 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.960 the same problem the guy is sitting uh paper clip 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:27.240 lamp road, Uh, monitor way. I feel like usually it's 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.960 just oh, I know, a B, C, D E av 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:34.680 They can only do twenty six streets and then they 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:39.560 kind of find something else. But well, back to our 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:42.000 story though, and I'll give you a quick overview of 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.719 the geography of Miami Beach. Most of you probably know, 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.120 but for those who don't. We have the city of Miami, 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:49.960 which is on the mainland down down near the south 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.039 end of the of the Peninsula of Florida. Uh, and 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:55.240 then to the east of that there's a big Barrier Island, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:59.080 and that island is Miami Beach. In between is Biscayne Bay. 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:00.720 Dan bur x as I said, it was on a 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.800 small island on the west side of Miami Beach. So 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.080 Dan Burreck and father Horgan left the island in the 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:11.440 boat and went west into Biscuayan Bay, then turned south 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.880 and motored about two and a half miles south to 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.320 what's called Government Cut, which is a channel between Miami 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.880 Beach and Fisher Island to the south of Miami Beach. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:22.720 You guys have sure one looked at the maps and 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.599 stuff in the areas. Yeah, you sent it to us. 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.680 We couldn't help, but see it. It's almost impossible, Yeah, 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:29.560 I said, you guys a nice naval and nice nautical 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.640 chart and everything explaining all this stuff. Yeah, but so 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:35.000 that was The Government Cut is a dredged out channel. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.920 It allows deep water ships and of course cruise ships 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.440 to get in and out of the Port of Miami. 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.560 And it goes southeast about a mile out from Miami 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.040 Beach and then it jocks forty five degrees to the northeast. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.599 It's marked by a series of red and green booies, 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.280 so on the north side of the channels, the red 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.680 booties on the south side of the Green Booies, so 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:57.440 you're going exactly so it's very very easy. On the 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.560 south side of the channel where it bends to the 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.080 northeat east is Booie seven, where a mystery takes place. 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.640 So that's where dan Burak intended to take the Witchcraft, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.000 about a mile off shore, about a mile off from 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:12.720 the southeast tip of Miami Beach, about a mile southeast 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.840 of there. Sorry, the Witchcraft, Yeah, the Witchcraft the name 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.840 of the boat. Yeah, yeah, did we say that are? 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.120 And I just wasn't paying I was reading ahead. Sorry, 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:26.160 we're texting or something. Yeah, okay, sorry, sorry, that's okay. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:30.039 And apparently they got there. So all was well until 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.800 nine pm when the coast Guard got a radio message 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:34.880 from Dan bur X saying his boat head hit an 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.839 underwater object. And it's pretty shallow in that area, so 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.520 it's not it's not weird that he would say he 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.280 bumped into something. Yeah, there are there are hazards there. 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.120 I mean, there's tons in tends of pleasure boats. And 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:46.919 if a boat sinks, and if it doesn't, you know, 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.359 it could actually wind up being just that it's not 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.080 hundreds of feet deep. No, not exactly. Now, I think 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.800 the water right around Bowie seven is deep. Yeah, not, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.839 it's not deep at all. But anyway, he hit something 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.320 and it looks like the hole was not breached. Apparently 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:06.640 he was calm and said there was no emergency, he 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.240 just needed a toe. So we're all assuming. He didn't 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.080 say exactly what was wrong, but I assumed it did 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:17.400 damaged his screw or his rudder. Yeah, he was screwed, probably, 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.640 so he needed a toe back to shore. He said 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.600 he was by Bouie seven, and like I said, according 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.280 to the coast Guard, and I have no idea. I 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:27.080 assumed they taped the conversation, but maybe not, but they 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:29.600 said he was totally calm about the whole thing. And 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:32.360 he also said that he would shoot up a flare 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.600 to make it easier to find him, but for some reason, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.440 he didn't shoot off that flare. We don't know why. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.640 But the Coastguard had no problem finding Bouie seven anyway, 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.160 because they need they know exactly where it is, so 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.640 no problem. They had it right over there. But when 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.360 they got to Bouie seven, the witchcraft was nowhere to 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.560 be seen. And again, this wasn't hours or days later. 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.360 This was nineteen minutes after the radio call, I assumed 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.320 they already had boats on the water, which I'm sure, 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.480 I'm sure they did. So they were right over there 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.360 nineteen minutes and they went all around it. Of course 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.720 it was dark, but they they have powerful search lights 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.960 on their boats and stuff, and so that's what they do. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.440 Yeah stuff. Oh yeah, So they scanned all around looking 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.440 for signs of the boat, maybe the passengers and life 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.760 jackets bobbing in the water, all that stuff. They searched 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.400 pretty thoroughly that night. They found nothing at all, not 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.400 even a little not even a little piece of garbage 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.239 flots them at all, not even not even a seat cushion, 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.360 And of course nan Verret could not be raised on 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:32.240 the radio either. They kept looking and the search actually 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:34.319 went on for a little over a week. So they 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.760 didn't just say prank call. Yeah, they didn't just say, 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:41.319 you know, oh well let's go. They actually did search. 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.559 They not like your lift driver who says that guy's 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.679 not here, I'm gonna leave. Yeah, not like that at all. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:50.160 They kept searching, in searching and searching, and eventually they 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.839 had coast Guard ships and navies U S Navy ships 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.680 involved in this search. And also, like I think about 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:00.360 six planes flying over the other and once again is 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.880 close to Miami. Is very helpful because even if the 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:05.480 boat sank, you'd still see it underwater. I mean, it's 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.640 not that and it's clear. Yeah, it's very clear. Actually 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.280 if you go, if you get on Google the aerial 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.079 and and go and go out from Miami Beach to 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.160 Bouie seven and then continue southeast another mile or so 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.000 mile and a half, there's this weird little spot where 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:27.079 there's about boats sunk. You can see them underwater there. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.559 There's this a little cluster of them and I don't 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.160 know what it is that their derelic boats and the 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.560 coast Guard finds him and then just habitat or something. Yeah, 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:36.520 they didn't show him over the spot. Maybe they're trying 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.000 to build an artificial reef or something. I don't know that. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:42.280 But you can actually see it from satellite images. Oh yeah, 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.960 you can see them underwater, which is pretty significant. Yeah. 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.240 But here's the other thing though, is that it shouldn't 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:50.160 have sunk because dan Bury, apparently according to friends, was 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:54.640 very safety conscious and I guess terrified, yeah maybe, but 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.840 he he was prepared and he had actually had the 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:59.559 boat fitted with extra floatation. I don't know if that 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:02.319 sty a foam or what, but he had extra floatation 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:04.679 in that boat. So the boat, even if it had 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.640 completely swamped and filled with water, it still should have floated. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.560 At least it shouldn't have sunk in nineteen minutes. Yeah, No, 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:13.640 definitely it would have. It would have sunk a lot slower. 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.240 And but also they would have never completely submerged. Yeah, 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.480 they'd be part of it sticking out of the water. Yeah, 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.319 and big enough part for I assumed the two passengers 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.080 to cling to, you know, wave at the coastguard or 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.640 or for the coastguard to see. Yeah. Even exactly if 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.160 they did perish unfortunately, Yeah, at lest they would have 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.280 seen the boat, right, Yeah, so I could imagine they're 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.800 they're cleaning to the boat and suddenly, you know, a 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.719 bunch of clever sharks just pop up out of the 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.360 water and snap them off there and carry them away. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:43.720 And yeah. Yeah, Anyway, the search went on. They went 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.559 as much as thirty miles out to see and they 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:49.600 went all up and down the coastline from there on. 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:51.760 This theory that maybe they were cotton a cotton a 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.640 current or something like that. Uh, they notified every private 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.280 boat that's to be on the alert for this boat 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.280 as far out of say, bam Andy and everywhere else, 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.600 And so private owners were looking for the boat too, 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.360 and not not a sign of the boat was ever seen. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.920 I know. There's a weird little mystery for you, super weird. Yeah, 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.600 so what's to do? Well, we've got some theories here, 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.160 as you can imagine. Yeah, yeah, there are really we 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.200 never do that. Yeah, well we're gonna do it now 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.480 because this is a special episode. I said, very special episode, 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.439 very special theory number one of course our favorite the 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:30.600 triangle that is the review to triangle triangle got them? Yeah, yeah, 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.800 because you know I mean of triangles are pointy and 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:38.120 dangerous of course. Yeah, yeah, they ran right into the 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.520 corner of it. Um is it a corner on a triangle? 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.240 I don't think it is. Yeah, it's a point or 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.040 an apex or I don't think it's a quarner on 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:52.720 a trangle. Okay, okay, don't I'm I have nothing to 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:57.280 contribute to this conversation. No, I'm just waiting for us 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.600 to be over iping to contribute. That'd be fodder for 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.719 another episode mystery this week. What do they call the 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.800 pointy things on triangles. Yeah they call they call them 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.120 pointy things. Okay, But back to our triangle theory, Well, 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.120 it's not that you know, obviously that is d ego 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:14.760 to theory for a lot of people when it comes 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.199 to this story. But if they really truly wore at 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.280 Booie's seven and dead in the water, then where the 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:23.440 hell did that boat go? It wasn't the triangle. Yeah, 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.319 that's when that's when things like spacetime portals start making sense, 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.720 right Yeah. Yeah, And and of course I found theories 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.240 about their Bermuna triangle about this case on the web, 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:34.600 which lends more credence to it. You know what I 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.280 really love about the Bermuda triangle. Yeah, it is anywhere 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.880 you wanted to be in that region of the ocean. Yeah, definitely. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:46.359 I think around there is no official area that is, 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.800 it's always moving. It's everybody describes it in a slightly 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.360 different area to fit the disappearances that they need that 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.000 might be on the X on the periphery becaus it 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.480 gets drawn a little differently. But also you see, that's 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.640 like said boat X disappeared in this location and it's 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.000 not actually in the traditional Brewma triangle. As long as 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:09.440 I started close enough. Yeah, well, you know, the trick 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.959 with supernatural and paranormal whatever's whatever we're going to call 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:18.400 the Bermuda triangle is that it's not it's not usually 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.840 as though it is going to just stay within the 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.480 confines of Well that's true, which is just it needs 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.520 to cooperate. Yeah, geez, stay in the lines, man, I'll 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:30.600 let you. I'll let you talk to them, Steve, I'm 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:34.400 not going to talk to that triangle. Way it might be, 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.720 but we can't. We couldn't ever prove one way or another. Really, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.440 I mean, the only thing that would prove it is 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.320 if they suddenly pop back into existence in that same spot, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.280 like say tomorrow. Well then I guess I would say, 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.360 we've got to get their triangle a little bit of credence. Yeah, okay, 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:51.080 well so we'll see if that happens. So let's move 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:54.440 on to our next theory, which is about just sank again. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:57.760 This is like by you know, I'm not going to 0:13:57.800 --> 0:13:59.880 give it more than thirty seconds here, because if it 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.320 went down, it should have been a bunch of junk 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:05.599 floating around. It should have been stuff floating around. It 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.720 should be visible just down. Of course, the possible. Another 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.680 possibility is it sank, It drifted a little bit north 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.079 and sank in the channel, which is I think about 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.760 forty five ft deep. But still don't they dredge that 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.000 thing on a regular basis? Yeah, the U SAMI Corps 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:25.080 of Engineers actually dredges it, so they should they should 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:29.440 have found something by this. Yeah, they definitely should have, right, 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.480 And even if they didn't, you would think you would 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.440 still be able to see it. That's not that deep still, yeah, 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.960 it still isn't tremendously deep. Yeah, but maybe maybe forty 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.560 five would be enough to make it invisible. I don't know, 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.200 but that. But but again with all this stuff that 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:49.800 was flotation devices and all the other what he called yahyah, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:55.360 Now I like floats. Some floats, it floats them alone. Yeah, 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.640 I mean you would expect to see something like that. Yeah, 0:14:57.920 --> 0:14:59.560 So I mean there's always a possibility, of course, that 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.840 it started. It sank, and it sank deep enough, and 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:05.400 it's drifted off, but it still hadn't hit bottomed yet, 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.240 so it's still slowly sinking. But it drifts miles away 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.800 and sinks. But I still think we would have stumbled 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.240 across at some point and that's a really that's a 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.680 really really quick time for a boat to sink. It is, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.880 especially one that was as floaty as this one. Right. Yeah, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:23.440 Now again, if it was if the damage to the 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:26.880 hull had been so catastrophic that the water was just gushing, 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:28.520 and I would think he would have mentioned that. I 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.840 think he would have radio message. He would have said, actually, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.560 it is an emergency. He would have said, yeah, we're 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.720 going down. Yeah, he didn't say that. I think he 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.600 specifically said this is not an emergency. I think he 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:39.640 won't be able to move. I think he just wanted 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.760 to let those guys know eventually, I'm gonna need a toll. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.200 But if there's somebody dying out there, don't you know, 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.320 don't ignore them to come over room visit me because 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.240 it's not an emergency. So yeah, it was definitely. I 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.200 don't think the hall was breached. But there's another theory 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:57.320 out there. Apparently there was a small storm like a squall. 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.560 I guess it blew in that night and have actually 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.640 pushed them out to sea and into the Gulf stream. 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.880 They could have been carried away. I don't think it came. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.520 I just don't know precisely when it came in and frankly, 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.280 in another account that I read of this, a storm 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.880 did not actually hit until the next day. Well furthermore, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:18.400 if the coast Guard was only nineteen minutes away, yea, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.360 they would have probably noticed there was a storm happening 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:23.480 right well, they wouldn't nice. And also, of course, by 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.360 the way, you know, just because there's a storm doesn't 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.880 mean your radio stops working. Yeah, So that there had 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.080 been a storm that night, it seems pretty unlikely that 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.120 somebody would go out to look at the Christmas lights 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.200 from the water because the storm would be making it 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:40.160 hard to see. So in fairness, as as we've seen 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:44.880 in Portland today, it was beautiful and now it's gale 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:49.080 winds and pouring raine. Yeah, and at any coast, it's 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.880 so much more changeable, so much more quickly it is. Yeah, 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.720 Miami is a pretty nice spot even during this time 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.040 of year. While it's just you know, it's nicer, it's 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:01.480 more tropical. But but I just maintain that if the 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:04.240 Coast Guard I have been and saw, oh, there's a 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.960 big old storm blown through here, they would have probably 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.800 you know, storms don't usually nineteen minutes would be pretty 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.440 dang quick for a storm to have just blown right 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:13.920 through you. Yeah, it really would be. And do you 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:15.840 think they would take note of that too. It's like, okay, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.280 we got the storm, strong winds, they're blowing from the 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.280 southwest to the northeast. Hey, why don't we go look 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:22.880 to the northeast. Yeah, they're not that stupid. The coast 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.280 guard actually knows this. They do actually know what's going on, 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.840 you know this stuff. Yeah, so okay, let's uh, let's 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:30.960 table that there. I don't think. I don't like the 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.680 storm idea. But here's another one that's maybe possible, which 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:36.600 is I mean, there were there were Movie seven right 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.720 next to a shipping lane. So if they're boats dead 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:41.439 in the water, maybe they drifted a little bit to 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.760 the north into the into the channel. Freighter comes along 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.760 or some large ship and just tags them and basically 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:51.200 drags them out to sea. It's snagged on it in 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:54.560 some way. Yeah, and so you know it's conceivable, Well 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.320 they wind up just sort of speared on the on 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.960 the bowl of a ship and just off they go. 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.440 And you might know this, you might not know this, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.760 probably don't. Don't don't you think that you would you 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:09.800 would notice if you ran into a boat a ship. 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.880 You know, actually there have been there have been instances 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.480 where large freighters and tankers and stuff have gotten into 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.680 port and then and then only after they got into 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.159 port they realized they've got like a small sailboat like 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.120 you know, on their bow. That does happen, and we've 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.240 talked about this before. There's also unscrupulous people who don't 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.879 want to admit that they just ran somebody over and 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:33.680 whatever litigation might come about, so they just keep going, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.400 knowing that it will fall off between their the port 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:39.920 they're leaving in the port they're destined to hit. It's 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.200 probably gonna come loose, yeah, And if it doesn't, you 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.199 can always stop and send some crew members down to 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.560 the knock at loose. But at the same time, you know, 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.920 this is a very busy area, especially around Christmas time. 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:53.960 It's like you've seen what the river down here gets 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.920 like a Christmas when the other Christmas boats out, people everywhere, 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:01.080 and as people the same way down Miami. Apparently there 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.359 were a ton of boats out that night on the 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:05.480 water looking at the Christmas lights and stuff. In a 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.680 situation like that, you think that any any responsible ship 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.840 owner or ship driver would have at least one crew 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:15.720 member station on the bow looking for stuff. Theoretically right, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.760 And of course Dan Barak had a flaregun. He said 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.000 he had a flare a gun, although he never shot 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:22.960 off a flare. So maybe he turns out his flare 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:24.720 a gun was out of flares. Maybe I don't know, 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:28.600 a dud or yeah, or Dud's or something. Never buy 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:32.679 a discounted flaregun, Yeah, discount. It seems like if he 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.320 was so safety conscious that he had extra padding in 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.240 his boat to make sure that it would never sink, 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.119 he would make sure he had flares, probably spare flares 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:44.240 and stuff like that. He would think he would. Yeah, 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.080 so this one doesn't work, Let's pop it out, put 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:47.560 a new one in. I'm sure. I'm sure he had 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:51.240 extra ones, you think so. I mean, obviously, if he's 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.680 a safety conscious you might have had a couple of 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:56.320 paddles in there too. So they're drifting into into the 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.919 shipping lane. So okay, get out the paddles for padre 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.480 and let's start paddle real fast before that book gets 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.040 over here. So you know, again, I'm not also a radio, 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.680 and he had a working radio coming right at you. 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.359 You can get on the radio and just be like wait, yeah, no, wait, 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.639 or even just back to the coast card and say, actually, 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:17.560 it's an emergency. Now there's a ship coming at me. Yeah, 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.320 and and and he didn't do that. And also, I mean, 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.360 even if he had been carried away, you would think 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.440 that some wreckage would have been left behind. You think, yeah, 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.680 they do, something would have been left behind. So even 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:31.040 though this is actually a plausible theory in some ways, 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.320 it doesn't really doesn't really entirely fit the bill for me. 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:38.159 What's next? So our next sorya is the radio in 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.280 front thinking they were Booie seven, but there were maybe 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:44.280 a Booie nine or Boobie thirteen. Maybe they were mistaken. 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.720 Although the problem with this seria, of course, is still 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.840 should they should have They should have turned up sooner 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:54.359