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Speaker 1: All right? And I am Joe, by the way, and
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Speaker 1: about a mystery, and you guys are gonna like this one.
Speaker 1: It involves the Braminer Triangle. Yeah, and a boat which
Speaker 1: vanished mysteriously, which is what you're doing it. It's pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And now wait, if you're one of those people that's
Speaker 1: sick of the Bermuda Triangle thing, this is a little different,
Speaker 1: would you guys not agree because a little bit yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not one of those boats have sailed.
Speaker 1: It's just really on the fringe of the whole Bermuda Triangle. Well,
Speaker 1: it's really on the tip of the tip of the triangle.
Speaker 1: And it actually this boat vanished within sight of Miami Beach, Florida,
Speaker 1: within sight and also just after communicating with the coast guard,
Speaker 1: like minutes after, and then the book just is vanished.
Speaker 1: But let's start from the beginning. This happened fifty years
Speaker 1: ago on December seven, and the boat that disappeared was
Speaker 1: called the Witchcraft, and it was a twenty three ft
Speaker 1: cabin cruiser owned by Daniel Barrak, who was a real
Speaker 1: estate and hotel developer in Pennsylvania and I think also
Speaker 1: in Miami. Uh. He was fairly rich, had a house,
Speaker 1: a really nice house, and a really nice neighborhood in
Speaker 1: Miami Beach, plus a few others in Pennsylvania. Aboard the
Speaker 1: boat with Dan Barack was a passenger, Father Patrick Horgan
Speaker 1: also called Pedre Corrigan, who was a Catholic priest from
Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale, although originally used from Ireland. Uh. He had
Speaker 1: been naturalized like ten months before. Yeah. Yeah, so they
Speaker 1: were the only two passengers on the boat. Dan Burrac
Speaker 1: invited Father Horrigan to go out on his boat to
Speaker 1: see the Christmas lights of Miami from the water. You're right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. It sounds like a fun little outing. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they took beer or not. I assume
Speaker 1: they did. They left Dan barracks home on Sunset Island,
Speaker 1: I should say Sunset Island, number four, Miami Beach. I know,
Speaker 1: there's a little string of four islands there on the
Speaker 1: inside of the island that is Miami Beach, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so number one is the most prim real estate. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. It was just numbered one to
Speaker 1: four as you want as you go north to south,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and actually it's kind of nice
Speaker 1: actually that they didn't name them all different name like
Speaker 1: Sunset Island and Treasure Island and you know, Bunny Island Island. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: state Bler Island. They were running out of names. Okay,
Speaker 1: a lot of islands down there. I gotta like that.
Speaker 1: The the office products chain, you know that's posted. Have
Speaker 1: you ever been in a town where you wonder where
Speaker 1: the hell they came up with the street names? It's
Speaker 1: the same problem the guy is sitting uh paper clip
Speaker 1: lamp road, Uh, monitor way. I feel like usually it's
Speaker 1: just oh, I know, a B, C, D E av
Speaker 1: They can only do twenty six streets and then they
Speaker 1: kind of find something else. But well, back to our
Speaker 1: story though, and I'll give you a quick overview of
Speaker 1: the geography of Miami Beach. Most of you probably know,
Speaker 1: but for those who don't. We have the city of Miami,
Speaker 1: which is on the mainland down down near the south
Speaker 1: end of the of the Peninsula of Florida. Uh, and
Speaker 1: then to the east of that there's a big Barrier Island,
Speaker 1: and that island is Miami Beach. In between is Biscayne Bay.
Speaker 1: Dan bur x as I said, it was on a
Speaker 1: small island on the west side of Miami Beach. So
Speaker 1: Dan Burreck and father Horgan left the island in the
Speaker 1: boat and went west into Biscuayan Bay, then turned south
Speaker 1: and motored about two and a half miles south to
Speaker 1: what's called Government Cut, which is a channel between Miami
Speaker 1: Beach and Fisher Island to the south of Miami Beach.
Speaker 1: You guys have sure one looked at the maps and
Speaker 1: stuff in the areas. Yeah, you sent it to us.
Speaker 1: We couldn't help, but see it. It's almost impossible, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, you guys a nice naval and nice nautical
Speaker 1: chart and everything explaining all this stuff. Yeah, but so
Speaker 1: that was The Government Cut is a dredged out channel.
Speaker 1: It allows deep water ships and of course cruise ships
Speaker 1: to get in and out of the Port of Miami.
Speaker 1: And it goes southeast about a mile out from Miami
Speaker 1: Beach and then it jocks forty five degrees to the northeast.
Speaker 1: It's marked by a series of red and green booies,
Speaker 1: so on the north side of the channels, the red
Speaker 1: booties on the south side of the Green Booies, so
Speaker 1: you're going exactly so it's very very easy. On the
Speaker 1: south side of the channel where it bends to the
Speaker 1: northeat east is Booie seven, where a mystery takes place.
Speaker 1: So that's where dan Burak intended to take the Witchcraft,
Speaker 1: about a mile off shore, about a mile off from
Speaker 1: the southeast tip of Miami Beach, about a mile southeast
Speaker 1: of there. Sorry, the Witchcraft, Yeah, the Witchcraft the name
Speaker 1: of the boat. Yeah, yeah, did we say that are?
Speaker 1: And I just wasn't paying I was reading ahead. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we're texting or something. Yeah, okay, sorry, sorry, that's okay.
Speaker 1: And apparently they got there. So all was well until
Speaker 1: nine pm when the coast Guard got a radio message
Speaker 1: from Dan bur X saying his boat head hit an
Speaker 1: underwater object. And it's pretty shallow in that area, so
Speaker 1: it's not it's not weird that he would say he
Speaker 1: bumped into something. Yeah, there are there are hazards there.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's tons in tends of pleasure boats. And
Speaker 1: if a boat sinks, and if it doesn't, you know,
Speaker 1: it could actually wind up being just that it's not
Speaker 1: hundreds of feet deep. No, not exactly. Now, I think
Speaker 1: the water right around Bowie seven is deep. Yeah, not,
Speaker 1: it's not deep at all. But anyway, he hit something
Speaker 1: and it looks like the hole was not breached. Apparently
Speaker 1: he was calm and said there was no emergency, he
Speaker 1: just needed a toe. So we're all assuming. He didn't
Speaker 1: say exactly what was wrong, but I assumed it did
Speaker 1: damaged his screw or his rudder. Yeah, he was screwed, probably,
Speaker 1: so he needed a toe back to shore. He said
Speaker 1: he was by Bouie seven, and like I said, according
Speaker 1: to the coast Guard, and I have no idea. I
Speaker 1: assumed they taped the conversation, but maybe not, but they
Speaker 1: said he was totally calm about the whole thing. And
Speaker 1: he also said that he would shoot up a flare
Speaker 1: to make it easier to find him, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: he didn't shoot off that flare. We don't know why.
Speaker 1: But the Coastguard had no problem finding Bouie seven anyway,
Speaker 1: because they need they know exactly where it is, so
Speaker 1: no problem. They had it right over there. But when
Speaker 1: they got to Bouie seven, the witchcraft was nowhere to
Speaker 1: be seen. And again, this wasn't hours or days later.
Speaker 1: This was nineteen minutes after the radio call, I assumed
Speaker 1: they already had boats on the water, which I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they did. So they were right over there
Speaker 1: nineteen minutes and they went all around it. Of course
Speaker 1: it was dark, but they they have powerful search lights
Speaker 1: on their boats and stuff, and so that's what they do.
Speaker 1: Yeah stuff. Oh yeah, So they scanned all around looking
Speaker 1: for signs of the boat, maybe the passengers and life
Speaker 1: jackets bobbing in the water, all that stuff. They searched
Speaker 1: pretty thoroughly that night. They found nothing at all, not
Speaker 1: even a little not even a little piece of garbage
Speaker 1: flots them at all, not even not even a seat cushion,
Speaker 1: And of course nan Verret could not be raised on
Speaker 1: the radio either. They kept looking and the search actually
Speaker 1: went on for a little over a week. So they
Speaker 1: didn't just say prank call. Yeah, they didn't just say,
Speaker 1: you know, oh well let's go. They actually did search.
Speaker 1: They not like your lift driver who says that guy's
Speaker 1: not here, I'm gonna leave. Yeah, not like that at all.
Speaker 1: They kept searching, in searching and searching, and eventually they
Speaker 1: had coast Guard ships and navies U S Navy ships
Speaker 1: involved in this search. And also, like I think about
Speaker 1: six planes flying over the other and once again is
Speaker 1: close to Miami. Is very helpful because even if the
Speaker 1: boat sank, you'd still see it underwater. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not that and it's clear. Yeah, it's very clear. Actually
Speaker 1: if you go, if you get on Google the aerial
Speaker 1: and and go and go out from Miami Beach to
Speaker 1: Bouie seven and then continue southeast another mile or so
Speaker 1: mile and a half, there's this weird little spot where
Speaker 1: there's about boats sunk. You can see them underwater there.
Speaker 1: There's this a little cluster of them and I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is that their derelic boats and the
Speaker 1: coast Guard finds him and then just habitat or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't show him over the spot. Maybe they're trying
Speaker 1: to build an artificial reef or something. I don't know that.
Speaker 1: But you can actually see it from satellite images. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you can see them underwater, which is pretty significant. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But here's the other thing though, is that it shouldn't
Speaker 1: have sunk because dan Bury, apparently according to friends, was
Speaker 1: very safety conscious and I guess terrified, yeah maybe, but
Speaker 1: he he was prepared and he had actually had the
Speaker 1: boat fitted with extra floatation. I don't know if that
Speaker 1: sty a foam or what, but he had extra floatation
Speaker 1: in that boat. So the boat, even if it had
Speaker 1: completely swamped and filled with water, it still should have floated.
Speaker 1: At least it shouldn't have sunk in nineteen minutes. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: definitely it would have. It would have sunk a lot slower.
Speaker 1: And but also they would have never completely submerged. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they'd be part of it sticking out of the water. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and big enough part for I assumed the two passengers
Speaker 1: to cling to, you know, wave at the coastguard or
Speaker 1: or for the coastguard to see. Yeah. Even exactly if
Speaker 1: they did perish unfortunately, Yeah, at lest they would have
Speaker 1: seen the boat, right, Yeah, so I could imagine they're
Speaker 1: they're cleaning to the boat and suddenly, you know, a
Speaker 1: bunch of clever sharks just pop up out of the
Speaker 1: water and snap them off there and carry them away.
Speaker 1: And yeah. Yeah, Anyway, the search went on. They went
Speaker 1: as much as thirty miles out to see and they
Speaker 1: went all up and down the coastline from there on.
Speaker 1: This theory that maybe they were cotton a cotton a
Speaker 1: current or something like that. Uh, they notified every private
Speaker 1: boat that's to be on the alert for this boat
Speaker 1: as far out of say, bam Andy and everywhere else,
Speaker 1: And so private owners were looking for the boat too,
Speaker 1: and not not a sign of the boat was ever seen.
Speaker 1: I know. There's a weird little mystery for you, super weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what's to do? Well, we've got some theories here,
Speaker 1: as you can imagine. Yeah, yeah, there are really we
Speaker 1: never do that. Yeah, well we're gonna do it now
Speaker 1: because this is a special episode. I said, very special episode,
Speaker 1: very special theory number one of course our favorite the
Speaker 1: triangle that is the review to triangle triangle got them? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know I mean of triangles are pointy and
Speaker 1: dangerous of course. Yeah, yeah, they ran right into the
Speaker 1: corner of it. Um is it a corner on a triangle?
Speaker 1: I don't think it is. Yeah, it's a point or
Speaker 1: an apex or I don't think it's a quarner on
Speaker 1: a trangle. Okay, okay, don't I'm I have nothing to
Speaker 1: contribute to this conversation. No, I'm just waiting for us
Speaker 1: to be over iping to contribute. That'd be fodder for
Speaker 1: another episode mystery this week. What do they call the
Speaker 1: pointy things on triangles. Yeah they call they call them
Speaker 1: pointy things. Okay, But back to our triangle theory, Well,
Speaker 1: it's not that you know, obviously that is d ego
Speaker 1: to theory for a lot of people when it comes
Speaker 1: to this story. But if they really truly wore at
Speaker 1: Booie's seven and dead in the water, then where the
Speaker 1: hell did that boat go? It wasn't the triangle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when that's when things like spacetime portals start making sense,
Speaker 1: right Yeah. Yeah, And and of course I found theories
Speaker 1: about their Bermuna triangle about this case on the web,
Speaker 1: which lends more credence to it. You know what I
Speaker 1: really love about the Bermuda triangle. Yeah, it is anywhere
Speaker 1: you wanted to be in that region of the ocean. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I think around there is no official area that is,
Speaker 1: it's always moving. It's everybody describes it in a slightly
Speaker 1: different area to fit the disappearances that they need that
Speaker 1: might be on the X on the periphery becaus it
Speaker 1: gets drawn a little differently. But also you see, that's
Speaker 1: like said boat X disappeared in this location and it's
Speaker 1: not actually in the traditional Brewma triangle. As long as
Speaker 1: I started close enough. Yeah, well, you know, the trick
Speaker 1: with supernatural and paranormal whatever's whatever we're going to call
Speaker 1: the Bermuda triangle is that it's not it's not usually
Speaker 1: as though it is going to just stay within the
Speaker 1: confines of Well that's true, which is just it needs
Speaker 1: to cooperate. Yeah, geez, stay in the lines, man, I'll
Speaker 1: let you. I'll let you talk to them, Steve, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to talk to that triangle. Way it might be,
Speaker 1: but we can't. We couldn't ever prove one way or another. Really,
Speaker 1: I mean, the only thing that would prove it is
Speaker 1: if they suddenly pop back into existence in that same spot,
Speaker 1: like say tomorrow. Well then I guess I would say,
Speaker 1: we've got to get their triangle a little bit of credence. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well so we'll see if that happens. So let's move
Speaker 1: on to our next theory, which is about just sank again.
Speaker 1: This is like by you know, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: give it more than thirty seconds here, because if it
Speaker 1: went down, it should have been a bunch of junk
Speaker 1: floating around. It should have been stuff floating around. It
Speaker 1: should be visible just down. Of course, the possible. Another
Speaker 1: possibility is it sank, It drifted a little bit north
Speaker 1: and sank in the channel, which is I think about
Speaker 1: forty five ft deep. But still don't they dredge that
Speaker 1: thing on a regular basis? Yeah, the U SAMI Corps
Speaker 1: of Engineers actually dredges it, so they should they should
Speaker 1: have found something by this. Yeah, they definitely should have, right,
Speaker 1: And even if they didn't, you would think you would
Speaker 1: still be able to see it. That's not that deep still, yeah,
Speaker 1: it still isn't tremendously deep. Yeah, but maybe maybe forty
Speaker 1: five would be enough to make it invisible. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but that. But but again with all this stuff that
Speaker 1: was flotation devices and all the other what he called yahyah,
Speaker 1: Now I like floats. Some floats, it floats them alone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you would expect to see something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean there's always a possibility, of course, that
Speaker 1: it started. It sank, and it sank deep enough, and
Speaker 1: it's drifted off, but it still hadn't hit bottomed yet,
Speaker 1: so it's still slowly sinking. But it drifts miles away
Speaker 1: and sinks. But I still think we would have stumbled
Speaker 1: across at some point and that's a really that's a
Speaker 1: really really quick time for a boat to sink. It is,
Speaker 1: especially one that was as floaty as this one. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Now again, if it was if the damage to the
Speaker 1: hull had been so catastrophic that the water was just gushing,
Speaker 1: and I would think he would have mentioned that. I
Speaker 1: think he would have radio message. He would have said, actually,
Speaker 1: it is an emergency. He would have said, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: going down. Yeah, he didn't say that. I think he
Speaker 1: specifically said this is not an emergency. I think he
Speaker 1: won't be able to move. I think he just wanted
Speaker 1: to let those guys know eventually, I'm gonna need a toll.
Speaker 1: But if there's somebody dying out there, don't you know,
Speaker 1: don't ignore them to come over room visit me because
Speaker 1: it's not an emergency. So yeah, it was definitely. I
Speaker 1: don't think the hall was breached. But there's another theory
Speaker 1: out there. Apparently there was a small storm like a squall.
Speaker 1: I guess it blew in that night and have actually
Speaker 1: pushed them out to sea and into the Gulf stream.
Speaker 1: They could have been carried away. I don't think it came.
Speaker 1: I just don't know precisely when it came in and frankly,
Speaker 1: in another account that I read of this, a storm
Speaker 1: did not actually hit until the next day. Well furthermore,
Speaker 1: if the coast Guard was only nineteen minutes away, yea,
Speaker 1: they would have probably noticed there was a storm happening
Speaker 1: right well, they wouldn't nice. And also, of course, by
Speaker 1: the way, you know, just because there's a storm doesn't
Speaker 1: mean your radio stops working. Yeah, So that there had
Speaker 1: been a storm that night, it seems pretty unlikely that
Speaker 1: somebody would go out to look at the Christmas lights
Speaker 1: from the water because the storm would be making it
Speaker 1: hard to see. So in fairness, as as we've seen
Speaker 1: in Portland today, it was beautiful and now it's gale
Speaker 1: winds and pouring raine. Yeah, and at any coast, it's
Speaker 1: so much more changeable, so much more quickly it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Miami is a pretty nice spot even during this time
Speaker 1: of year. While it's just you know, it's nicer, it's
Speaker 1: more tropical. But but I just maintain that if the
Speaker 1: Coast Guard I have been and saw, oh, there's a
Speaker 1: big old storm blown through here, they would have probably
Speaker 1: you know, storms don't usually nineteen minutes would be pretty
Speaker 1: dang quick for a storm to have just blown right
Speaker 1: through you. Yeah, it really would be. And do you
Speaker 1: think they would take note of that too. It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: we got the storm, strong winds, they're blowing from the
Speaker 1: southwest to the northeast. Hey, why don't we go look
Speaker 1: to the northeast. Yeah, they're not that stupid. The coast
Speaker 1: guard actually knows this. They do actually know what's going on,
Speaker 1: you know this stuff. Yeah, so okay, let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: table that there. I don't think. I don't like the
Speaker 1: storm idea. But here's another one that's maybe possible, which
Speaker 1: is I mean, there were there were Movie seven right
Speaker 1: next to a shipping lane. So if they're boats dead
Speaker 1: in the water, maybe they drifted a little bit to
Speaker 1: the north into the into the channel. Freighter comes along
Speaker 1: or some large ship and just tags them and basically
Speaker 1: drags them out to sea. It's snagged on it in
Speaker 1: some way. Yeah, and so you know it's conceivable, Well
Speaker 1: they wind up just sort of speared on the on
Speaker 1: the bowl of a ship and just off they go.
Speaker 1: And you might know this, you might not know this,
Speaker 1: probably don't. Don't don't you think that you would you
Speaker 1: would notice if you ran into a boat a ship.
Speaker 1: You know, actually there have been there have been instances
Speaker 1: where large freighters and tankers and stuff have gotten into
Speaker 1: port and then and then only after they got into
Speaker 1: port they realized they've got like a small sailboat like
Speaker 1: you know, on their bow. That does happen, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about this before. There's also unscrupulous people who don't
Speaker 1: want to admit that they just ran somebody over and
Speaker 1: whatever litigation might come about, so they just keep going,
Speaker 1: knowing that it will fall off between their the port
Speaker 1: they're leaving in the port they're destined to hit. It's
Speaker 1: probably gonna come loose, yeah, And if it doesn't, you
Speaker 1: can always stop and send some crew members down to
Speaker 1: the knock at loose. But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 1: this is a very busy area, especially around Christmas time.
Speaker 1: It's like you've seen what the river down here gets
Speaker 1: like a Christmas when the other Christmas boats out, people everywhere,
Speaker 1: and as people the same way down Miami. Apparently there
Speaker 1: were a ton of boats out that night on the
Speaker 1: water looking at the Christmas lights and stuff. In a
Speaker 1: situation like that, you think that any any responsible ship
Speaker 1: owner or ship driver would have at least one crew
Speaker 1: member station on the bow looking for stuff. Theoretically right,
Speaker 1: And of course Dan Barak had a flaregun. He said
Speaker 1: he had a flare a gun, although he never shot
Speaker 1: off a flare. So maybe he turns out his flare
Speaker 1: a gun was out of flares. Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 1: a dud or yeah, or Dud's or something. Never buy
Speaker 1: a discounted flaregun, Yeah, discount. It seems like if he
Speaker 1: was so safety conscious that he had extra padding in
Speaker 1: his boat to make sure that it would never sink,
Speaker 1: he would make sure he had flares, probably spare flares
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. He would think he would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this one doesn't work, Let's pop it out, put
Speaker 1: a new one in. I'm sure. I'm sure he had
Speaker 1: extra ones, you think so. I mean, obviously, if he's
Speaker 1: a safety conscious you might have had a couple of
Speaker 1: paddles in there too. So they're drifting into into the
Speaker 1: shipping lane. So okay, get out the paddles for padre
Speaker 1: and let's start paddle real fast before that book gets
Speaker 1: over here. So you know, again, I'm not also a radio,
Speaker 1: and he had a working radio coming right at you.
Speaker 1: You can get on the radio and just be like wait, yeah, no, wait,
Speaker 1: or even just back to the coast card and say, actually,
Speaker 1: it's an emergency. Now there's a ship coming at me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and he didn't do that. And also, I mean,
Speaker 1: even if he had been carried away, you would think
Speaker 1: that some wreckage would have been left behind. You think, yeah,
Speaker 1: they do, something would have been left behind. So even
Speaker 1: though this is actually a plausible theory in some ways,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really doesn't really entirely fit the bill for me.
Speaker 1: What's next? So our next sorya is the radio in
Speaker 1: front thinking they were Booie seven, but there were maybe
Speaker 1: a Booie nine or Boobie thirteen. Maybe they were mistaken.
Speaker 1: Although the problem with this seria, of course, is still
Speaker 1: should they should have They should have turned up sooner
Speaker 1: or later. Yeah, there was a massive search. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: but but along those lines are next seria is that
Speaker 1: they is that they faked it and they disappeared to
Speaker 1: start a new life, because I mean, after all, they
Speaker 1: said they were a movie seven. How do we know
Speaker 1: they actually were? Well maybe not, yes, but it would
Speaker 1: have been just as easy for them to just motor
Speaker 1: on out and not even bother to make a call. Well,
Speaker 1: it would have made it actually would have made a
Speaker 1: lot more sense to motor or at least pretend to
Speaker 1: motor way out to see it's like say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna like go to what's what's near Bermuda? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think are right there. Yeah I'm confusing. They definitely are. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: so the Bahamas. So you could say like, hey, we're
Speaker 1: going to motor over to the Bahamas for Christmas. And
Speaker 1: then you say, oh, your radio went from like halfway
Speaker 1: in between, Oh my god, boat out of control, catching
Speaker 1: fire or something, and it's only like se it's so close.
Speaker 1: But but again, radioing in doesn't make any sense if
Speaker 1: your intention is to just flat out disappear. Well, I
Speaker 1: mean radioing in would be could be nothing like as
Speaker 1: a way of giving it's a red herring, but it's yeah,
Speaker 1: but every everything is so close there, and they can
Speaker 1: i mean they can tell kind of where your signal
Speaker 1: is coming from. So agree you can't lie and say
Speaker 1: you're a hundred miles north when you're a hundred miles south,
Speaker 1: because they're gonna be like, that's strange because we picked
Speaker 1: you up on the southern end. So it would be
Speaker 1: easier just to keep your trap shut and go wherever
Speaker 1: the hell you were going to go, and people would
Speaker 1: just presume that you sank, yeah, or I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't even know if they told. I assume they told
Speaker 1: people that they were going out. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if you were really just trying
Speaker 1: to disappear, why wouldn't you just quietly get on your
Speaker 1: boat and drive away? I mean, ye, d Yeah, I
Speaker 1: assume that there are people at the house when they left,
Speaker 1: because otherwise, how do we know that Father Horrigan was
Speaker 1: on the boat? Yeah, because I don't think he called
Speaker 1: the coast guard says hey, I'm out here with the
Speaker 1: Catholic priest seven. Yeah, I don't think that's what happened, right,
Speaker 1: So I think that there were people who saw them
Speaker 1: leave h and maybe bade them are well. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. This makes the most sense of all
Speaker 1: the theories so far to me, to be honest, Star, Yeah,
Speaker 1: though I agree, I don't. I wouldn't if it were me,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like call in, I just motor on out
Speaker 1: of there. But yeah, but it does, it does make
Speaker 1: a certain amount of sense. The only the only hitch
Speaker 1: with this theory is that why did two guys need
Speaker 1: to leave and start new lives at the same time.
Speaker 1: That's a weird thing. Well, it's not unless they were
Speaker 1: like gay or something. I mean, they could have been lovers,
Speaker 1: especially fifty years ago and one of them being a
Speaker 1: Catholic priest. Like, if they were lovers, they needed to leave.
Speaker 1: They did need to leave town. Yeah, so that's entirely plausible.
Speaker 1: I mean, back was fairly rich. Maybe maybe he just
Speaker 1: cashed out and then they took a suitcase of cash
Speaker 1: onto the boat with them and vanished and want to
Speaker 1: live in Mexico or Bolivia or Portugal or some sounds
Speaker 1: great to me. That doesn't sound so bad, answered, answered, solved. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna give that one up. There's a few
Speaker 1: more theories. Well I thought we had solved it. Not quiet. Well,
Speaker 1: another theory is foul play. Okay, yeah, could have been. Um.
Speaker 1: There's a blogger out there named Michelle Meratt who's put
Speaker 1: up an interesting post about this several years ago, and
Speaker 1: she's got some theories about foul play, which I thought
Speaker 1: I would like bring to our listeners and show anybody.
Speaker 1: She said that she noted a few interesting facts about
Speaker 1: crime in Miami Beach at that time, as you obviously
Speaker 1: all know then and now, it is home to a
Speaker 1: lot of very rich people, which you know might attract
Speaker 1: your criminal types also, right, And so there were some
Speaker 1: home invasions robberies that took place, like there was one
Speaker 1: big famous one that took place like two months before
Speaker 1: this incident. Another one took place like a month after
Speaker 1: this incident. So her thinking was possibly it was something
Speaker 1: on the order of, well, maybe some criminals came busting
Speaker 1: in and then took them hostage and then for some
Speaker 1: reason decided to make their getaway in the boat. You know,
Speaker 1: was that that particularly one doesn't totally make particularly because
Speaker 1: we just said we think there were people at the
Speaker 1: house when they left, right, Yeah, but yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: And so you know, one is like, but there's other
Speaker 1: other variations on that, which is like, you know, for example, um,
Speaker 1: he was involved in the hotel business in Miami. Maybe
Speaker 1: he was involved with some shady people. Uh, and maybe he,
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, you know, made the wrong
Speaker 1: people angry and so they got rid of him. They
Speaker 1: took him and maybe father Horrigan was just collateral damage
Speaker 1: and they just took them out to sea and sank
Speaker 1: the boat. It could have been also a crime of opportunity.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody comes along and sees a disabled boat, notices, oh,
Speaker 1: that's that rich guy that I know about, offers them
Speaker 1: a toe. That's why he doesn't set off the flare,
Speaker 1: and then actually just kidnaps them and scuttles the boat
Speaker 1: or whatever else. Yeah, that's possible. You think he would
Speaker 1: have radio the coast guard and said never mind. But
Speaker 1: you think on the deck or the or the people
Speaker 1: who kidnapped him were like, oh no, we'll radio them,
Speaker 1: We'll let him now. That could be like a combination series.
Speaker 1: Maybe he and the father were heading not to start
Speaker 1: their new life with the suitcase full of cash and
Speaker 1: these guys and so yeah, and this scenario, maybe they
Speaker 1: good Samaritans are on board helping them break for the toe,
Speaker 1: and then's not so good Samaritans, you know what, they're
Speaker 1: good Samaritans for now. But then suddenly the suitcase so
Speaker 1: cash pops open and revealing that there's cash, cash, and
Speaker 1: diamonds just flowing every Yeah, yeah, exactly. It saw a
Speaker 1: good Samaritan immediately spins around with the ballet pin and
Speaker 1: brains them both shoves and shoves their bodies overboard and
Speaker 1: then you know, or maybe probably took their bodies way
Speaker 1: up to sea and show I was gonna say, because
Speaker 1: it seems like the bodies would have shown up to
Speaker 1: maybe not yeah, or back to our home invasion. But
Speaker 1: the theory, I mean, it might be that maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the word was out that Okay, Dan Barack's super rich
Speaker 1: guy has a secret safe in his house and he's
Speaker 1: got three million dollars in cash in and so because
Speaker 1: there were no signs of a home invasion in the
Speaker 1: house itself as far as I know, But supposing somebody
Speaker 1: forces his way into the house and just forces him
Speaker 1: to open the safe, take out the cash, and then
Speaker 1: make us get away on the boat, and so that
Speaker 1: would make sense. Okay, So and again doesn't totally make
Speaker 1: sense to do the whole Booie seven radio signal thing.
Speaker 1: But you don't know that it was actually him that
Speaker 1: made the call. It could be somebody impersonating him. Then
Speaker 1: your idea that they're farther out to see than they
Speaker 1: really are becomes plausible. I mean, this one is just
Speaker 1: a hamster wheel, you can you mean a rabbit hole
Speaker 1: something like that? Yeah, I say, Hamsters to Hamsters are
Speaker 1: totally a loud. Of course, we don't discriminate, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of a rabbit oriented podcast. Um, small furry animals,
Speaker 1: small tales and rodents. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I still kind of like, I tend to
Speaker 1: like that they ran a light together just because it's
Speaker 1: happier ending. Yeah, it is happier ending. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: so many permutations on this whole thing. Another another, another
Speaker 1: variation on it is that somebody in the families say,
Speaker 1: maybe for insurance purposes or inherance purposes, I wanted to
Speaker 1: get rid of them. But again, who knows. There's no
Speaker 1: evidence for any of this stuff. Unfortunately, there's just no evidence.
Speaker 1: They're just adn't have it. Really, it's a really intriguing
Speaker 1: little story. Yes, um, and I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: like the idea that they just decided to like, you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe they weren't even gay. They just you know,
Speaker 1: let's go to Bolivia and be witch Cassidy and Sundance.
Speaker 1: You know, it could have been something like that too,
Speaker 1: who knows. You know, they were bored with Miami. Al Right,
Speaker 1: So that's our story. But if you have any theories.
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