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Speaker 1: of things we don't know the answer to. Hi there,

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Speaker 1: welcome to a very special episode of Thinking Sideways. And

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Speaker 1: by very special, we don't mean heartwarming, we mean murder

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Speaker 1: down the rabbit Hole. Yeah, we're going down the rabbit Hole.

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Speaker 1: All right? And I am Joe, by the way, and

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Joe, brought to you by you,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by you, brought to us by your

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Speaker 1: mom and your dad. Your mother, Yeah, okay, I'm Joe,

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Speaker 1: and those other two people forget about them. And then oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: good glad, we got that straight. Right. So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about a mystery, and you guys are gonna like this one.

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Speaker 1: It involves the Braminer Triangle. Yeah, and a boat which

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Speaker 1: vanished mysteriously, which is what you're doing it. It's pretty cool. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And now wait, if you're one of those people that's

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Speaker 1: sick of the Bermuda Triangle thing, this is a little different,

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Speaker 1: would you guys not agree because a little bit yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not one of those boats have sailed.

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Speaker 1: It's just really on the fringe of the whole Bermuda Triangle. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's really on the tip of the tip of the triangle.

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Speaker 1: And it actually this boat vanished within sight of Miami Beach, Florida,

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Speaker 1: within sight and also just after communicating with the coast guard,

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Speaker 1: like minutes after, and then the book just is vanished.

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Speaker 1: But let's start from the beginning. This happened fifty years

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Speaker 1: ago on December seven, and the boat that disappeared was

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Speaker 1: called the Witchcraft, and it was a twenty three ft

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Speaker 1: cabin cruiser owned by Daniel Barrak, who was a real

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Speaker 1: estate and hotel developer in Pennsylvania and I think also

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Speaker 1: in Miami. Uh. He was fairly rich, had a house,

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Speaker 1: a really nice house, and a really nice neighborhood in

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Speaker 1: Miami Beach, plus a few others in Pennsylvania. Aboard the

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Speaker 1: boat with Dan Barack was a passenger, Father Patrick Horgan

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Speaker 1: also called Pedre Corrigan, who was a Catholic priest from

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Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale, although originally used from Ireland. Uh. He had

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Speaker 1: been naturalized like ten months before. Yeah. Yeah, so they

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Speaker 1: were the only two passengers on the boat. Dan Burrac

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Speaker 1: invited Father Horrigan to go out on his boat to

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Speaker 1: see the Christmas lights of Miami from the water. You're right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know. It sounds like a fun little outing. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if they took beer or not. I assume

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Speaker 1: they did. They left Dan barracks home on Sunset Island,

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Speaker 1: I should say Sunset Island, number four, Miami Beach. I know,

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Speaker 1: there's a little string of four islands there on the

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Speaker 1: inside of the island that is Miami Beach, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so number one is the most prim real estate. I

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Speaker 1: don't know about that. It was just numbered one to

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Speaker 1: four as you want as you go north to south,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and actually it's kind of nice

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Speaker 1: actually that they didn't name them all different name like

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Speaker 1: Sunset Island and Treasure Island and you know, Bunny Island Island. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: state Bler Island. They were running out of names. Okay,

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Speaker 1: a lot of islands down there. I gotta like that.

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Speaker 1: The the office products chain, you know that's posted. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever been in a town where you wonder where

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Speaker 1: the same problem the guy is sitting uh paper clip

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Speaker 1: kind of find something else. But well, back to our

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Speaker 1: story though, and I'll give you a quick overview of

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Speaker 1: the geography of Miami Beach. Most of you probably know,

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Speaker 1: Dan bur x as I said, it was on a

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Speaker 1: Dan Burreck and father Horgan left the island in the

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Speaker 1: I said, you guys a nice naval and nice nautical

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Speaker 1: It allows deep water ships and of course cruise ships

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Speaker 1: And it goes southeast about a mile out from Miami

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Speaker 1: northeat east is Booie seven, where a mystery takes place.

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Speaker 1: So that's where dan Burak intended to take the Witchcraft,

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Speaker 1: And apparently they got there. So all was well until

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not weird that he would say he

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Speaker 1: But the Coastguard had no problem finding Bouie seven anyway,

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Speaker 1: This was nineteen minutes after the radio call, I assumed

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Speaker 1: it was dark, but they they have powerful search lights

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Speaker 1: They not like your lift driver who says that guy's

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Speaker 1: They kept searching, in searching and searching, and eventually they

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Speaker 1: At least it shouldn't have sunk in nineteen minutes. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: seen the boat, right, Yeah, so I could imagine they're

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Speaker 1: This theory that maybe they were cotton a cotton a

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Speaker 1: And so private owners were looking for the boat too,

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Speaker 1: mean radioing in would be could be nothing like as

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Speaker 1: a way of giving it's a red herring, but it's yeah,

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Speaker 1: but every everything is so close there, and they can

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Speaker 1: i mean they can tell kind of where your signal

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Speaker 1: is coming from. So agree you can't lie and say

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Speaker 1: you're a hundred miles north when you're a hundred miles south,

427
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Speaker 1: because they're gonna be like, that's strange because we picked

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Speaker 1: you up on the southern end. So it would be

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Speaker 1: easier just to keep your trap shut and go wherever

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Speaker 1: the hell you were going to go, and people would

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Speaker 1: just presume that you sank, yeah, or I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know if they told. I assume they told

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Speaker 1: people that they were going out. Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if you were really just trying

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Speaker 1: to disappear, why wouldn't you just quietly get on your

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Speaker 1: boat and drive away? I mean, ye, d Yeah, I

437
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Speaker 1: assume that there are people at the house when they left,

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Speaker 1: because otherwise, how do we know that Father Horrigan was

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Speaker 1: on the boat? Yeah, because I don't think he called

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Speaker 1: the coast guard says hey, I'm out here with the

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Speaker 1: Catholic priest seven. Yeah, I don't think that's what happened, right,

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Speaker 1: So I think that there were people who saw them

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Speaker 1: leave h and maybe bade them are well. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. This makes the most sense of all

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Speaker 1: the theories so far to me, to be honest, Star, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: though I agree, I don't. I wouldn't if it were me,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't like call in, I just motor on out

448
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Speaker 1: of there. But yeah, but it does, it does make

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Speaker 1: a certain amount of sense. The only the only hitch

450
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Speaker 1: with this theory is that why did two guys need

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Speaker 1: to leave and start new lives at the same time.

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Speaker 1: That's a weird thing. Well, it's not unless they were

453
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Speaker 1: like gay or something. I mean, they could have been lovers,

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Speaker 1: especially fifty years ago and one of them being a

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Speaker 1: Catholic priest. Like, if they were lovers, they needed to leave.

456
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: They did need to leave town. Yeah, so that's entirely plausible.

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Speaker 1: I mean, back was fairly rich. Maybe maybe he just

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Speaker 1: cashed out and then they took a suitcase of cash

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Speaker 1: onto the boat with them and vanished and want to

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Speaker 1: live in Mexico or Bolivia or Portugal or some sounds

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Speaker 1: great to me. That doesn't sound so bad, answered, answered, solved. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna give that one up. There's a few

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Speaker 1: more theories. Well I thought we had solved it. Not quiet. Well,

464
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: another theory is foul play. Okay, yeah, could have been. Um.

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Speaker 1: There's a blogger out there named Michelle Meratt who's put

466
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Speaker 1: up an interesting post about this several years ago, and

467
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Speaker 1: she's got some theories about foul play, which I thought

468
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Speaker 1: I would like bring to our listeners and show anybody.

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Speaker 1: She said that she noted a few interesting facts about

470
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Speaker 1: crime in Miami Beach at that time, as you obviously

471
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Speaker 1: all know then and now, it is home to a

472
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Speaker 1: lot of very rich people, which you know might attract

473
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Speaker 1: your criminal types also, right, And so there were some

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Speaker 1: home invasions robberies that took place, like there was one

475
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Speaker 1: big famous one that took place like two months before

476
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Speaker 1: this incident. Another one took place like a month after

477
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Speaker 1: this incident. So her thinking was possibly it was something

478
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Speaker 1: on the order of, well, maybe some criminals came busting

479
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Speaker 1: in and then took them hostage and then for some

480
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Speaker 1: reason decided to make their getaway in the boat. You know,

481
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: was that that particularly one doesn't totally make particularly because

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Speaker 1: we just said we think there were people at the

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Speaker 1: house when they left, right, Yeah, but yeah, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: And so you know, one is like, but there's other

485
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: other variations on that, which is like, you know, for example, um,

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Speaker 1: he was involved in the hotel business in Miami. Maybe

487
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Speaker 1: he was involved with some shady people. Uh, and maybe he,

488
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, for whatever reason, you know, made the wrong

489
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Speaker 1: people angry and so they got rid of him. They

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Speaker 1: took him and maybe father Horrigan was just collateral damage

491
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Speaker 1: and they just took them out to sea and sank

492
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Speaker 1: the boat. It could have been also a crime of opportunity.

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Speaker 1: You know, somebody comes along and sees a disabled boat, notices, oh,

494
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Speaker 1: that's that rich guy that I know about, offers them

495
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Speaker 1: a toe. That's why he doesn't set off the flare,

496
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Speaker 1: and then actually just kidnaps them and scuttles the boat

497
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Speaker 1: or whatever else. Yeah, that's possible. You think he would

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Speaker 1: have radio the coast guard and said never mind. But

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Speaker 1: you think on the deck or the or the people

500
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Speaker 1: who kidnapped him were like, oh no, we'll radio them,

501
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Speaker 1: We'll let him now. That could be like a combination series.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he and the father were heading not to start

503
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Speaker 1: their new life with the suitcase full of cash and

504
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Speaker 1: these guys and so yeah, and this scenario, maybe they

505
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Speaker 1: good Samaritans are on board helping them break for the toe,

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Speaker 1: and then's not so good Samaritans, you know what, they're

507
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Speaker 1: good Samaritans for now. But then suddenly the suitcase so

508
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: cash pops open and revealing that there's cash, cash, and

509
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Speaker 1: diamonds just flowing every Yeah, yeah, exactly. It saw a

510
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Speaker 1: good Samaritan immediately spins around with the ballet pin and

511
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Speaker 1: brains them both shoves and shoves their bodies overboard and

512
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Speaker 1: then you know, or maybe probably took their bodies way

513
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Speaker 1: up to sea and show I was gonna say, because

514
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Speaker 1: it seems like the bodies would have shown up to

515
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: maybe not yeah, or back to our home invasion. But

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Speaker 1: the theory, I mean, it might be that maybe maybe

517
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Speaker 1: the word was out that Okay, Dan Barack's super rich

518
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Speaker 1: guy has a secret safe in his house and he's

519
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Speaker 1: got three million dollars in cash in and so because

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Speaker 1: there were no signs of a home invasion in the

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Speaker 1: house itself as far as I know, But supposing somebody

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Speaker 1: forces his way into the house and just forces him

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Speaker 1: to open the safe, take out the cash, and then

524
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Speaker 1: make us get away on the boat, and so that

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00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: would make sense. Okay, So and again doesn't totally make

526
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: sense to do the whole Booie seven radio signal thing.

527
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: But you don't know that it was actually him that

528
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Speaker 1: made the call. It could be somebody impersonating him. Then

529
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Speaker 1: your idea that they're farther out to see than they

530
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: really are becomes plausible. I mean, this one is just

531
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Speaker 1: a hamster wheel, you can you mean a rabbit hole

532
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: something like that? Yeah, I say, Hamsters to Hamsters are

533
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: totally a loud. Of course, we don't discriminate, but it's

534
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: kind of a rabbit oriented podcast. Um, small furry animals,

535
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: small tales and rodents. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I

536
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: don't know. I still kind of like, I tend to

537
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Speaker 1: like that they ran a light together just because it's

538
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: happier ending. Yeah, it is happier ending. But yeah, there's

539
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: so many permutations on this whole thing. Another another, another

540
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: variation on it is that somebody in the families say,

541
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Speaker 1: maybe for insurance purposes or inherance purposes, I wanted to

542
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: get rid of them. But again, who knows. There's no

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00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: evidence for any of this stuff. Unfortunately, there's just no evidence.

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00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: They're just adn't have it. Really, it's a really intriguing

545
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: little story. Yes, um, and I agree with you. I

546
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Speaker 1: like the idea that they just decided to like, you know,

547
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: and maybe they weren't even gay. They just you know,

548
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: let's go to Bolivia and be witch Cassidy and Sundance.

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Speaker 1: You know, it could have been something like that too,

550
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: who knows. You know, they were bored with Miami. Al Right,

551
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: So that's our story. But if you have any theories.

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