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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to this edition of Big Fish Small

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Daniel In joining me, we have from

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Speaker 1: Five Reasons Sports, a good friend of the program.

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Speaker 2: We have mister Kevin Miller. Kevin, and it is great to

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Speaker 2: have you on.

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Speaker 3: It's great to be here. Thanks for having me, Danny.

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Speaker 3: I'm super excited to get to talk a little bit

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Speaker 3: of Marlins baseball with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as we're as we're you're actually the last guest

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Speaker 2: for our five part series, saving the best for last.

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Speaker 2: In terms of talking the media, fans, what not, trying

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Speaker 2: to get their opinion on it. And I want to

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Speaker 2: get first off, your opinion. First off, this Marlin's off season,

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Speaker 2: no major league signings, a lot of trade a lot

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Speaker 2: of rumors in the trade rumor mill. There lots of

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Speaker 2: front office looks like signings. But what has been your

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Speaker 2: your overall outlook maybe on this off season for the Fish.

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Speaker 3: It's it's definitely been an interesting one. And I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think fans of baseball just in general can say

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Speaker 3: that it's been a really slow moving off season so far.

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Speaker 3: And then you know, when you you know, use a

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Speaker 3: magnifying glass and look at the Marlins offseason specifically, you

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Speaker 3: see how slow it really has been. Like you said,

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Speaker 3: no major league signing so far, But I like the

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Speaker 3: moves that they're making so far, definitely the front office

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Speaker 3: moves bringing Bendix in, it's awesome. I know some far

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Speaker 3: people have some polarizing opinions on him, and you know

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Speaker 3: how slow he's been and and you know, bring in

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of like project cover from the race,

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Speaker 3: if you want to call it that. But I like

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Speaker 3: how he's building up the front office little by little,

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Speaker 3: kind of baby steps, you know. I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: a big, big transition. I know that that word gets

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Speaker 3: thrown around a lot this year, but really is a

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Speaker 3: big transition bringing in a new face of the organization.

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Speaker 3: And I think you got to start building those building

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Speaker 3: blocks and then later on you can start really bringing

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Speaker 3: in names and players and you get a set of foundation.

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Speaker 3: But so far, I like it, and I'm excited to

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Speaker 3: see what the players he's brought in so far, what

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Speaker 3: they can bring to the table.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we see a lot from Peter. It seems like

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Speaker 2: a lot of smaller trades and a lot of players

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Speaker 2: that come from that raised organization. Christian Bethancourt, Calvin Faulkner,

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Speaker 2: Vidal Brewhou all looked to have some type of major

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Speaker 2: And you look at his front office, getting Gabe Kapler,

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Speaker 2: who used to be a Tempa Bay Ray back at

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Speaker 2: his playing days. But what have you seen from maybe

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Speaker 2: the signings that he did in the front office. You

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Speaker 2: look at Gabe Kapler, Rachel Blakovic getting player development role,

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Speaker 2: a lot of players, a lot of former players. There

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Speaker 2: a lot of front office signings for Peter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So really the one that stands out to me

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Speaker 3: the most is definitely the Gabe Capler hiring. You know,

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Speaker 3: I wasn't the biggest fan of his when he was

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Speaker 3: was that twenty twenty one season that he led the

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Speaker 3: Giants with, you know, I mean franchise record one hundred

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Speaker 3: and seven wins. No one saw that coming. You know,

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Speaker 3: they won the NLS for the first time. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they were the only team in the past eleven years

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Speaker 3: to beat the Dodgers in winning the NST. So I

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Speaker 3: think that's an awesome, awesome hiring. You know, he's a

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Speaker 3: big analytics guy, which this is that's the direction the

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Speaker 3: organization seems to be headed in is more analytic based,

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Speaker 3: and I mean, if you really want to call it that,

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Speaker 3: we haven't really had that in Miami, so I like

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Speaker 3: to me obviously, the Rachel hiring is a more recent thing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know too much about her, so I won't

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Speaker 3: get into her too much. But I've only heard positive

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Speaker 3: things about her, which is awesome to hear. But really

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Speaker 3: the Gabe Kapler one, when it happened, when it caught

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Speaker 3: me way off guard, and two I was like, the

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Speaker 3: more I started thinking about it, I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is really really interesting, this is really unique, and

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Speaker 2: Then yeah, really great signing there with Gabe Kapler. See

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Speaker 2: what he could bring to the front office role, having

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Speaker 2: just come off the manager rolled the Giants and a

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Speaker 2: little more on the field with the Fish. Just what

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Speaker 2: have you seen from them? Red too thing. It's a

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Speaker 2: lot of guys keeping the same. You have Josh Bell

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Speaker 2: a lot of these offensive guys full season. You mentioned

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Speaker 2: Josh Bell, Jake Berger going to get a full season

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Speaker 2: of him. Well, what players are are you looking at?

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Speaker 2: Maybe offensively just for the Marlins seeing how they shape

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Speaker 3: So I love that you mentioned that we're getting a

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Speaker 3: full season of Berger and Bell. I think that's something

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Speaker 3: that a lot of people don't think about when they

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Speaker 3: look at this team moving forward. You know, obviously the

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Speaker 3: big thing is everyone wants to react to, oh, we

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Speaker 3: don't have core Hayesilaier back. Well, first of all, he's

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Speaker 3: not entirely gone. I mean it's not looking great, but

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Speaker 3: who knows what happens there. But let's say jorgees Seilaier

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Speaker 3: looking at a lineup that has Jake Berger and Josh

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Speaker 3: Bell right from day one, and you're hoping for the

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Speaker 3: full season, you know, stay healthy. And obviously no, Berger's

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Speaker 3: not going anywhere, but Bell, you know, you hope you

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Speaker 3: don't trade you don't have to trade him at the deadline.

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Speaker 3: So I think the offense is actually going to be better,

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Speaker 3: at least from the get go than it definitely was

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Speaker 3: last year having those two guys right off the bat.

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Speaker 2: Jake Berger, who's and he it's a fly ball in

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Speaker 2: the air left field, going back, blanking hard, looking up,

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Speaker 2: it's gone burger into it. Bats This afternoon, he's gone

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Speaker 3: Like you said, pretty much the lineup for the most

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Speaker 3: second half, just minus sol Air. But one guy I

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Speaker 3: is Brian Della Cruz. And I feel like that's someone

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Speaker 3: that a lot of people have said, you know, the

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Speaker 3: past year two years that they're like, you know, we're

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Speaker 3: waiting for him to take the next step, and you know,

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Speaker 3: last year was a step in the right direction. You know,

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Speaker 3: he played a lot more than he has played up

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Speaker 3: to this point in his career. I think a career

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Speaker 3: high in nineteen homers if I'm not mistaken. So you know,

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Speaker 3: I just I want to see him be more consistent

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Speaker 3: because we know how when he's hot, he's one of

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Speaker 3: the hottest hitters I've seen ever. I mean, he'll have

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Speaker 3: I want to see him, you know, grow and mature

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Speaker 3: that I think a lot of people seeing him, he

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Speaker 3: would be a huge piece for this lineup moving forward.

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Speaker 3: And if you do Losehilaire, I think him, you know,

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Speaker 3: taking that next step would kind of make you not

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Speaker 3: worry so much about not having Claire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it also seems like they're kind of banking on

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Speaker 2: Avy to be healthy for a fully. It seems like

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Speaker 2: a full season because if not looking even worse than

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Speaker 2: currently what they've had with Aviy the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: The pitching, what have you seen from the pitching? It

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Speaker 2: seems like a lot of question marks Eddie Trevor Rodgers,

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Speaker 2: then you always have the implication of almost is Lozardo

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Speaker 2: an opening day But what have you seen this pitching sign?

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Speaker 2: Is there a way that Marlins can can reshape it

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Speaker 2: at all at a piece or even trade someone like Lozardo?

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Speaker 3: So the way I feel about that, I I it's

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Speaker 3: so touchy to talk about the pitching because obviously, you know,

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Speaker 3: we have a lot of pitching, and you got to

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Speaker 3: trade from your strength and pitching to get some beats.

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Speaker 3: I understand that in this year where you know Sandy's

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Speaker 3: going to be out for the full year, I don't

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Speaker 3: see a world where trading Lozardo makes a ton of sense.

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Speaker 3: I understand the flip side where you know he would

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Speaker 3: definitely bring in probably the biggest package of all the

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Speaker 3: pitchers that they have to trade. But in this year,

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, us Lozardo is your race. I

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Speaker 3: don't think there's a question about that. So to me,

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Speaker 3: I don't see that being a realistic option. You know,

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Speaker 3: all the other names Eddie Brax and Garrett, Trevor Rodgers

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Speaker 3: see a world where they get traded, you know, obviously

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Speaker 3: in all of them, maybe one or two of them

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Speaker 3: think one of them is gone by the end, by

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Speaker 3: the end of the off season, by the start of

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Speaker 3: I don't know which one. Well, I find interesting is

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Speaker 3: that there hasn't been a lot of talk about Trevor

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Speaker 3: had a lot of interest in. You know, you hear

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Speaker 3: not with the consistency that you're hearing the Edward Cabrera

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Speaker 3: because Trevor, you know, was hurt for the majority of

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Speaker 3: last year he barely played, and then the year before

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Speaker 3: that wasn't great. So you know, I I don't see

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Speaker 3: Trevor going anywhere. I think it really does come down

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Speaker 3: up getting shipped off for bats and I you know,

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Speaker 3: I would love to see Trevor Rodgers. I know I

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Speaker 3: said the same thing about Branda Lacruz, but I would

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Speaker 3: love to see Trevor Rogers take that next step kind

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Speaker 3: of return to his rookie season in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously we're not going to get that. I

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Speaker 3: mean that was almost how young stuff there for a while.

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Speaker 3: So but you know, closer to that range would be awesome.

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Speaker 3: And the guy that you know, so let's say they

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Speaker 3: do trade Eddie or Braxton. You know, one's righty, one's

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Speaker 3: a lefty. What I could see a guy them going

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Speaker 3: after would be either like Michael Lorenzen or Alex Wood,

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Speaker 3: two guys. So like, if you trade Braxon Garrett, he

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Speaker 3: might bring in Alex Wood, another lefty. Or flip side

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Speaker 3: Eddie righty, you bring in Michael Lorenz and to replace

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Speaker 3: that righting in the rotation. Lorenzen's a you know, more

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Speaker 3: popular name, might cost a little bit more money, but

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Speaker 3: Alex Wood is really a guy I could see them

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Speaker 3: going after. You know, a veteran guy. He's been there before,

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Speaker 3: He's done a lot of innings in his career. You know,

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Speaker 3: you could slot him in at the five just kind

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Speaker 3: So I definitely think they could get back into the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, I want to thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 2: on the Small Pod to talk a little shop about

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Speaker 2: the fish and you're welcome back anytime, man. I really

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Speaker 3: No, thank you for having me obviously, this was awesome.

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