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Speaker 2: So you went, you went to go talk to Crawford.

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Speaker 4: What was the conversation?

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Speaker 2: Did you say what I said, which was Hayes has

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Speaker 2: He said, m m oh, my god, A negative.

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Speaker 1: I I think you might have your title.

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Speaker 2: Having fun in the kidget.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 1: Imagine you're at the airport, you see, like whatever, how

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But who suck your ass?

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Speaker 3: Who?

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Speaker 2: But who would name a book the same sound twice?

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Speaker 2: It's like you said that already.

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Speaker 1: That's true, That's true.

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Speaker 3: I see them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dumb.

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Speaker 1: I'd be only people would read that would be Tryhard's

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Speaker 2: God.

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Speaker 3: So there is this aspect of deconstructing that's part of

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Speaker 3: there's more to explore I don't. I didn't explore that

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Speaker 4: Why just why didn't you? This is the thing with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and uh, you know it's it's kind of about

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Speaker 4: The funny shit?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, red carpet sounds good behind the red carpet, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: Unders behind if your face down on it, that's true, understand,

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Speaker 3: So the names, uh, clown sheman's and days having.

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Speaker 2: Pod having pots? They haven't pods have days having pods.

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Speaker 1: That's just another day having pod for me.

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Speaker 3: Good Reads, I don't. I can't visit it.

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Speaker 2: They won't let you anymore. You wrote to many names,

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Speaker 4: All these accounts.

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Speaker 1: They finally tracked them all to the same I P address,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to got to figure out a way

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Speaker 3: I don't know how to make up fake names. As

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Speaker 4: Sounds like he's on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that he's actually, yes, because we do not have

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: This character Pete Yes, Oh, like, oh, you have to

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Speaker 2: Let's go back and tell them.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Herman Melville Vast, Yes, I'm sorry, you can't.

449
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Speaker 2: Do you have to get a kirk a star your

450
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: own time being the New York Times. Actually our hat

451
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 2: did get in there. And what I would say to

452
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: missus Cherry is no, where the camera is?

453
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like and I get that you're new

454
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: to it. But and to Zach, I would say, Zach,

455
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: you've dealt with the camera stuff. This is your fucking

456
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: wife dog, like, just give give her a little nudge

457
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, eyes over there, you know, like

458
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: just like the camera's there, so maybe it a casual

459
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: don't look down the barrel, but just go ahead and

460
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: give them the full logo.

461
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: I mean while Zach is like, oh oh good, she's

462
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: looking adoringly at me. Uh huh no, we can't.

463
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: See the hat. Yeah, they're getting the full Zach. And

464
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: then she's like just arm candy, right, and it's like

465
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: this is the story should really be about her and

466
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: how she has a hat like that, that's what people

467
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 1: care about, is it?

468
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: So? Is it? It's from rat Pack? And then just.

469
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, sort of.

470
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: Fucking guy, just like what now here comes another book?

471
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: What's your hat from?

472
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah's beard from Lord of the Rings?

473
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: Because you like books, you fucking break Doggie Doggie with

474
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: your Lord of.

475
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 4: The Rings hat.

476
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: I love that he's gonna be wearing a hat. He's

477
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: always wearing a hat, by the way, yes, that's like

478
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: always a hat, right, But then we give him a hat.

479
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: PLoP flom, just drop the ship.

480
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: What's this? I don't know what to do with it?

481
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: Okay, I know that's not true. I know you know

482
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: what to do with it. I don't know man, so.

483
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 4: Can please.

484
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: They caught me because I was writing. I was writing

485
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: a bunch of two star, three star just to balance it,

486
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: because if I'm doing all five star, it's gonna be

487
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 3: yeah obvious. So between the fake names and the writing,

488
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to write bad reviews. Okay, they

489
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: just sounded weird.

490
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, give me an example of a bad review that.

491
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 4: But give me.

492
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: Example liked the pages but didn't like what was on them.

493
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: But I've had that. That's what decal Edge does. Edge

494
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: is the adventure, you know, yeah, the death like a

495
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: brave soul to traverse the old edge, harder to get

496
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: hurt on it as well.

497
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm yeah, I know. For me, when I was

498
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: trying to juice the review use on this podcast, I

499
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,199
Speaker 1: found it very easy to write bad reviews that I

500
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: have felt like I had so much material there, Yes,

501
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: and then when I went to balance it out by putting,

502
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: you know, more of the five star ones, I was tapped.

503
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: I was absolutely spent. There was nothing in there.

504
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: What is a bad five star review sound like a

505
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: bad five star, like a poorly written or confusing five

506
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 3: great phone?

507
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: This phone kicks ass dog each I can like make calls. Sure,

508
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 2: that's like that's barely scratching the surface of what I

509
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: could do.

510
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: Mine would say, arrived on time, high quality material.

511
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 3: People aren't aware of that it's not radio. If those

512
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: are the people that still think it's radio somehow.

513
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 4: You know, I don't even know.

514
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: It's like I think they think it's like a like

515
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: a physical product.

516
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's being delivered to them. Yeah, not same

517
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: color as in photo. I'd be like, you know, why

518
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: did I write that about my own show?

519
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: Great spelling of the titles.

520
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, like I guess is true. I mean, Kevin

521
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: works really hard on the descriptions and we don't give

522
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: him enough credit. And Kevin, the descriptions are really good.

523
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: You did a really nice job and you've.

524
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Kept that up there, And that's writing, and that's writing.

525
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: It's not just novels, and people.

526
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: Rely on those. People say, Okay, people want to know

527
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: which what's going to be about? It better be something good?

528
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: Are they having a little fun with something?

529
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: You know? They want to know?

530
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 1: And so they do look at those, uh descriptions, and

531
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: you work really hard on it. You do a great job,

532
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: and it's usually spelled really well, and that's writing too. Tommy,

533
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: there's not just one kind of writing.

534
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: It's it's coming my novel, It's about my New York.

535
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: It's it, it's it takes place somehow. Occupy is happening,

536
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: but Hurricane Sandy is happening as well, and we're all

537
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: and we're all deal nine to eleven. The specter of

538
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: nine to eleven is like.

539
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: The shadow looms. I can feel it on the pay.

540
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's the absence of the shadow of those

541
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: buildings is the shadow mm hmm. And it's about it's

542
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: different guys, and it's about how you can have a different,

543
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: separate story. But then it ends up they end up.

544
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: Talking to each other with the other story ends up

545
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: seeing guy and they.

546
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: Talk to each other as well.

547
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: And they are brothers, yes, yes, but we didn't know

548
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: until they saw each other. And mister Trump is there

549
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: as well. He's going into one of his buildings, the

550
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: specter of him, for sure, he's not there, but the

551
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: absence of him at his own hotel is part of

552
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: what is looming over the book.

553
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: And this is you know, and I left this out

554
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: of my review, but like this is what's missing a

555
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: little bit. Where's like I didn't recognize in my New

556
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: York or any New York.

557
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

558
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: I didn't have any specters either.

559
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm like, okay, did I I was looking back

560
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 2: through it, I went, I re I reread.

561
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: The first two hundred pages six times trying to find

562
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: a specter because I thought, well, there's got to be

563
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: a spector of something and I and I just kept

564
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: going back over it, being like, Okay, maybe me, maybe

565
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: I'm all fucked up or like or maybe it's like

566
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: there's a specter of a specter and we've like gone

567
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: another list, and I was coming up completely emptis.

568
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: And disappointing because I expected, what.

569
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: Mhm, there is something at the end that's sort of

570
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: foreshadowing or giving you know that maybe there'll be a sequel.

571
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: They have to leave the Wondering family.

572
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: Spector gadgetor gadgets.

573
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: So they have to leave the wondery building.

574
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: They will they end up in a totally different build,

575
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: a podcast company and building, and it's kind of devastating,

576
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 3: but who it just ends that way, and I sort

577
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: of built it in so I could.

578
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: Write someone has to care for it to be devastating,

579
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: like someone somewhere on the planet has to give a buck.

580
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: What happens these two guys.

581
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: It's just the friends and the friendship suffers them personally.

582
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: Yea, let me ask you this, Does it ever recover?

583
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: I gotta know, Jack, does the friendship ever recover? Honestly?

584
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: The sale, the first sale of the podcast network? Mm hmmm,

585
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: did they ever come back? Because it was it was

586
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: from there like that's the like looking back didn't seem

587
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: like that big a deal of the time.

588
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 4: At that time. It was just a bump in the road.

589
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: That was a specter.

590
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't know what your respector the spector.

591
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: You didn't know it was a specter.

592
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 6: I didn't spelling Bee company like that guy.

593
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: Geez man, So what's next? More books?

594
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: Fucking guy?

595
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 2: Another book?

596
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 4: Any other book.

597
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: Might be good to have started, like to get Go

598
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 2: Away and got the next book?

599
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 7: Have you done the audiobook?

600
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: I did? I didn't do it. Other people did and

601
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: it's done, okay?

602
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: Like it like it's like it's nothing, Like do you

603
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: think that's done?

604
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean I listened to it. You honestly think that's done.

605
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: You needed to pay word to You're just like other

606
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: people did it. You really have to pay attention to

607
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: this stuff.

608
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: They did not do a good do it. Whatever they did,

609
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: that's not it. Can we get actually, I know he's

610
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: not gonna want to come in, but get my five

611
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: year old who's outside and here and tell him that

612
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: he should expect another book around the time he's entering

613
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: the workforce.

614
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 4: Here's something you guys don't even started.

615
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: Here's a noise they make a lot in the audiobook.

616
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: And let me know this is in the actual book.

617
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: Because I didn't read in the ash book a lot

618
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: of times are going.

619
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 3: I did. I did read some complaints about people not

620
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: being able to tell their voices of the two voice

621
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: over actors apart from each other.

622
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, well yeah.

623
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: And it's it's there are not two voiceover actors. It's

624
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: clearly one guy. He's kind of trying to do different voices.

625
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: But like it's the same fucking guy. It's so clearly

626
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: the same bucking guy. There's really nothing there. And and

627
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: I would hear.

628
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 2: This sound woo.

629
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: Like every six days.

630
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: And so that I got the end. It was very weird.

631
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: Sometimes he's rushing through it and going like and then

632
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: the guy, uh, he goes over here.

633
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: But then he's just himself. He'd go like and then

634
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: the guy went in there.

635
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: Who yes, and he's like distracted by it. It's like

636
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: long long pauses. Well, I think he's just reading, and

637
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 2: then he goes.

638
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: Ah, I mean I guess he's enjoying it, like, which great.

639
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 2: And he really want to know what he was reading?

640
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: But or was there like a picture there or something,

641
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: because it was like, yeah, it was these lung puzzling

642
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: like okay, all right, that's kind of nice, and and

643
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: then get back into what was clearly the text. But

644
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: just like I don't know, I thought it was.

645
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: You gotta be in the room. You gotta have to

646
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: like every step of the process. This is your creative life.

647
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: It was some kind of interpretive decision that was made

648
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: when I wasn't there just trying to do the audio

649
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: version of from the absurdity in the language that couldn't

650
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: they couldn't quite capture. Okay, I didn't agree with it,

651
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: but they'd already done it by the time I heard

652
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: the sounds the sounds, by the time you'd heard the sounds.

653
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 7: When they said next page, was that to us the

654
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 7: listener or to themselves?

655
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 2: I heard that actually that actually maybe that's what they're

656
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: talking about with the two different voice actors, because that

657
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 2: did sound like somebody else.

658
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: That was somebody else going yeah, I heard next page,

659
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: and then I heard I would hear other comments where

660
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: it's like, well.

661
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: There's a lot of this lest yeah, yes, and they

662
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: would go the other boys would go next page, and

663
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: the guy would go really okay. It's like he didn't

664
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 2: know he was supposed to be the pages and we're

665
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: still on this.

666
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 4: Huh.

667
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: This was actually a part so a part of the novel.

668
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: It was this decision that part of the podcast was

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Speaker 3: to bring there there's.

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Speaker 1: A lot of parts ges. It feels like it.

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Speaker 3: The decision to bring in producers as personalities, okay, And

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Speaker 3: so the producer thought, what if there was an assumption

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Speaker 3: that people didn't know what to do at the end

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Speaker 3: of a page?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: And this is a producer decision that's playing on the

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Speaker 3: idea of producer personalities entering the podcast in the book.

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Speaker 3: So in the audiobook, the producer enters with this was

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Speaker 3: any idea as a personality and thinks that people don't

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Speaker 3: know what to do when they finish a page.

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Speaker 2: And so it actually does say next page in the book.

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Speaker 2: That was the producer who did that, Okay. Fuck with that.

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Speaker 1: Uh, that's actually kind of dope meta Lynchian.

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Speaker 2: And what I like about that is if you start

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Speaker 2: developing and understanding with the reader that the producer is

686
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Speaker 2: going to be coming in on saying and singing next

687
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Speaker 2: page on every page, that's words, oh god, and you

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Speaker 2: don't have to do that means you don't have to

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Speaker 2: do those you know what I mean. It must be

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Speaker 2: so nice to get to the end of the page

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Speaker 2: and that it's just like, Okay, I don't have to

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Speaker 2: do these ones. I don't have to.

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Speaker 1: Do Yeah, there's only a little bit of space left.

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Speaker 1: Let's just pull the trigger on the next page. Part

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Speaker 1: of this so nice, that's fucking dope. So I guess like.

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Speaker 3: At the end, it doesn't say stop reading, nose to

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Speaker 3: leave open the sequel.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You don't know whether to turn the page, stop reading.

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Speaker 3: You're just left wondering.

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Speaker 2: No. Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: I crashed my car because I just was like so

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Speaker 1: fucked up off like I had been hearing next page

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Speaker 1: I have told what to do. Then the guy stopped reading,

705
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Speaker 1: But I was like, do I stop reading?

706
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Speaker 2: That I started and everything else like the con to

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Speaker 2: that point sort of, but there's.

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Speaker 1: See your ass, maybe crash and sue your ass.

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Speaker 2: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy the lawsuit. Buddy, you just got

711
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Speaker 1: served because it is irresponsible and it's all in the

712
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: service of the almighty dollar and greed. Because you want

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Speaker 1: to leave it open for the sequel, I just have

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00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: the sequels start with start reading again, like do you

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Speaker 1: think of that? Don't answer because you did it. Start

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00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: reading again.

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Speaker 4: That's the name of the book, Hayes.

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Speaker 2: That could be your book.

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Speaker 1: You just fucking generation. Start reading again.

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Speaker 2: It's my love letter to them and also my warning

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Speaker 2: to this generation.

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Speaker 4: It's called reading that book.

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Speaker 1: And Hayes's book The Reason His a Beacon.

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Speaker 3: Park.

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00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 2: It's Hayes's book.

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00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: A Light Silo on the Shore, The Reason The Reason

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Speaker 1: His is a square two. It's all one part.

728
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all one part.

729
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: It's one part except for the there's two different parts.

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Speaker 3: Of it, just two sides.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's the two pieces mm hmm. Yeah. It's like,

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Speaker 2: oh no, I have to write two entire books six

733
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Speaker 2: years apart. Just write one book that's in two pieces.

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Speaker 1: Just write a two piece book and you can start

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Speaker 1: anywhere in the book. That's what's cool about it. It's

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Speaker 1: one of the things that's cool about it. Other cool

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Speaker 1: thing about it, my friend wrote it already wants to

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Speaker 1: It's inside.

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Speaker 2: It's inside me. It has to come out to day.

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Speaker 4: See if you can get Crawford in here.

741
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Speaker 3: Now, Okay, So do they take the blood out and

742
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: then they scan it with I'm trying to figure out

743
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Speaker 3: what the scan is doing because the.

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Speaker 2: Way they take a picture with a really old blood

745
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Speaker 2: shows you and I understand you're like, you're just a

746
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Speaker 2: writer and so like some of this scientific stuff is

747
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: sort of lost on you. They can use the blood

748
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Speaker 2: to see everything that got in your body because your

749
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Speaker 2: blood is from in there and there's a code inside

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Speaker 2: your blood that shows you if any objects made their

751
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Speaker 2: way into your body that need to.

752
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: And it can it can see what your number is.

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Speaker 1: It can say what your number is, what number like

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Speaker 1: how many people you did it with. It can see

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Speaker 1: your number on the scan. So I guess, don't get

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Speaker 1: it done if you're ashamed, whether whether it's gonna.

757
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Speaker 2: Be too many or not enough, and don't be, yeah,

758
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Speaker 2: don't be, don't, but don't get it done.

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00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: If you are, don't But if you are, they're gonna know.

760
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Speaker 1: But don't be aware, but don't be nothing to be

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Speaker 1: ashamed of unless the numbers crazy.

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Speaker 2: But some are crazy.

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Speaker 1: Some of the numbers, it's like, obviously, don't do it because, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little stalled out on what the sequel is

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Speaker 3: going to be.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: So I made I may need.

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Speaker 5: To stalled out a podcast with two guys talking sort

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Speaker 5: of at one point was about the entertainbment history. And

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Speaker 5: you feel stalled out, buddy, If you can't feel the

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Speaker 5: momentum behind that, I'm sorry that is your issue.

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Speaker 2: He not coming to trouble with the curve again. Huh.

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Speaker 7: We tried to negotiate. I said, would you like to

774
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Speaker 7: come in the studio? He said no, And then I

775
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 7: said what about? And then he said, anything you guys want,

776
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Speaker 7: I'm not gonna do.

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Speaker 2: Let me say it. It seems like you have a job

778
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Speaker 2: to do. Back in there, he's drawing. Let me help

779
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: you do it.

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Speaker 3: Did he find the blue?

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00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 7: No, he's drawing the woods. So he's using browns and

782
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Speaker 7: yellows and greens.

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Speaker 2: Any gave him this bunk asso?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all the kid was. He's like, he's like, look,

785
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be chill, Like I'm a little kid. I know,

786
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: you guys got work to do. All I really need

787
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: is like a blue marker. And she's like, oh, do

788
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: you want the most fucked up one you've ever see

789
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Speaker 1: in your life?

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Speaker 3: It was a really bad blue.

791
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Speaker 4: Even Tommy could tell it.

792
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: Was like a dead blue whale blue.

793
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Speaker 1: It did look like it was like somehow decomposing or something.

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00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: It was really fucking distressing. Well, I'll try one time

795
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: and we'll wrap it up.

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Speaker 2: What's what's an interesting word in your book? What's the

797
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: most interesting word in my book? So many? Huh, but

798
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: it's always good to know what it And I think

799
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: every author does on some level, right, And this is

800
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: supposed to be a secret that they never share. But

801
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: they all know the most interesting word, and Tommy's thinking,

802
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: should I share my word? I won't share it with

803
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 2: just any.

804
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 3: So there's a whole section where they the friends are

805
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: super bitter about people thinking podcasts only started when Conan

806
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 3: O'Brien made one. And there's a whole section where they

807
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 3: go into Vaudevillian humor. So I think Vaudvillian is probably

808
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 3: one of the most interesting.

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00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: Okay, because Conan's like a sort of a he's something

810
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: of a villain himself in my life. Hey Crawford, do

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00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: you hear Hayes? What's the what's the what's the final

812
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: word of your book?

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Speaker 3: Bye,