1 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: The Russian military has begun to brutal assault on the 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: people of Ukraine, without provocation, without justification, without necessity. This 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: is a pre meditative attack. A major invasion is under 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: way of Ukraine by the Russian Federation. Vladimir Putin has 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: decided to ignore all the warnings of diplomacy and the 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: economic sections that have already been taken against his country, 7 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: to go in with a three pronged assault by sea, 8 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: land and air from the north, the east, and the 9 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: south of Ukraine to take territory and to smash the 10 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: Ukrainian military and government as fast as he can. As 11 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: you can see here, there is fighting. There's ongoing hostilities 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: all over Ukraine right now. A lot of the prime 13 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the forces, the primary forces the Russians 14 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: have to floyd coming in for fighting in and around 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: Kiev as well as Karkiv Kiev also known as Kiev. 16 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: So you have major cities the site of some of 17 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: the fighting that has already been done and it's just 18 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: getting started. There you see on the screen Russian aerial 19 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: attack going on. They tried to seize airfields, important critical 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: infrastructure sites. Overall, this is the scenario that the world, 21 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: the international community, NATO and Force US here at home 22 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 1: in America wanted to avoid a war in Europe. Once again, 23 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: Biden is saying that this is unfolding largely as his 24 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: administration predicted. Watch this. Ladimir Putin has been planning this 25 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: for months, as we've been saying all along. He moved 26 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: more than one hundred and seventy five thousand troops military 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: equipment positions along the Ukrainian border. He moved blood supplies 28 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: into position and build up field hospitals, which tells you 29 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: all you need to know about his intentions. All along. 30 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: He rejected every good faith effort the United States and 31 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: our allies and partners made to address our mutual security 32 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: concerns through dialogue to avoid needless conflict and avert human suffering. 33 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: For weeks, for weeks, we have been warning that this 34 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: would happen, and now it's unfolding largely as we predicted, 35 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: largely as predicted. He says, this is fascinating because, as 36 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 1: we know, Kamala Harris, as Vice President, who was also 37 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: dispatched as something of an envoy on this very issue, 38 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: was saying on Sunday that the sanctions are meant to 39 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: prevent war and now we're being told that no one 40 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: really thought they were going to prevent anything from Putin's perspective, Well, 41 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: which one isn't. Let's understand a few things here, folks, 42 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: what do we really care about as Americans as this 43 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: is unfolding. There's gonna be a lot of talk in 44 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: the days ahead about the sanctity of democracy. But as 45 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: we know, we do business with and engage with autocracies 46 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: all over the world, China, for example, Saudi Arabia, there 47 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: are a lot of them. So the notion that we 48 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: are always in everywhere committed to spilling American blood and 49 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: spending American treasure in the defense of democracy, it's just 50 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: not really true. Now, we certainly, at a humanitarian level, 51 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: want the people of Ukraine to be as safe as 52 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: they possibly can under the circumstances, and for this conflict 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: to end as rapidly as possible. But what are we 54 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: willing to do to bring that to a conclusion, to 55 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: bring this to an end. Biden made it cluar today 56 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: that he is not going to send US troops here. 57 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: He is saying that there will not be US troops 58 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: fighting in Ukraine, although we provided over six hundred and 59 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars in defensive assistance to Ukraine just this 60 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: year's last year. Let me say it again, our forces 61 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: are not and will not be engaged in the conflict 62 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: with Russia in Ukraine. Our forces are not going to 63 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: Europe to fight in Ukraine, but to defend our NATO 64 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: allies and reassure those allies in the East. As I 65 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: made crystal clear, the United States will defend every inch 66 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: of NATO territory with a full force of American power. 67 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: And the good news is native was more united and 68 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: more determined than ever. There's no doubt, no doubt that 69 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: the United States and every NATO ally will meet our 70 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: Article five commitments, which says in an attack on one 71 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: as an attack on all side. Making it as clear 72 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: as he can really that there will not be in 73 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: US soldiers, nor US planes, nor US Navy engage and 74 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: active combat against this Russian threat in Ukraine. That seems 75 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: to be for now, at least all the table. A 76 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: lot of people don't judge Biden's word as well. Let's 77 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: just say all that trustworth on this matter, considering what 78 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: we've seen in the past. There'll be a lot of 79 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: talk about whether Biden's general weakness and aptitude and lack 80 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: of standing on the world stage was in any way 81 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: part of food AND's calculation. It seems to be the 82 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: case to go into Ukraine. But a lot of folks 83 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: here at home are looking at this and saying to themselves, 84 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: we just want to make sure that we don't do anything, 85 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: or rather that the people in charge don't do anything 86 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: in our name that is foolish, That we don't get 87 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: dragged into a conflict we don't want to have any 88 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: part of. And also, what are the economic conflences of 89 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: all of this going to be. It's already being talked 90 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: about that there'll be a rise in gas prices as 91 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: a result the economic sanctions here. There'll be a rise 92 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: in inflation as well. Everything is going to get more expensive. 93 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: There'll be economic consequences. But Biden's out there as well 94 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: today trying to reassure us that the pain at the 95 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: pump will be limited somehow. Listen to this. I know 96 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: this is hard, and the Americans are you heard it. 97 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: I will do everything in my power to limit the 98 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: pain the American people are feeling the gas pump. This 99 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: is critical to me. But this aggression cannot go unanswered. 100 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: If it did, the conscious quences for America would be 101 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: much worse. America stands up to bullies. We stand up 102 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: for freedom. This is who we are. We stand up 103 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: for freedom. True sometimes in some places, and hopefully true 104 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: goes true when it comes to our own national interests, 105 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: certainly freedom here at home. We'll do anything to defend 106 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: that freedom. Abroad, that's a more complicated question. Now. We've 107 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: been sending arms and all kinds of material I'll support 108 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: to Ukraine for years now, including having US military trainers 109 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: there to make their own military in Ukraine a more 110 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: formidable force. How long will they fight? And what extent 111 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: will be extent? With the Russian Russian war machine willing 112 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: to grind on despite taking its own casualties, These are 113 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: questions that no one can answer right now. This is 114 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: a dynamic, fluid situation in which the decision makers are 115 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: going to be constantly evaluating and reevaluating what they're willing 116 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: to do and what their next move will be. Now, 117 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: with all of that going on, the faith American people 118 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: have in our leadership here at home at a time 119 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: when there's been a lot of focus on climate change 120 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: as a primary national security threat, on diversity training in 121 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: the military, and the transgender rights of servicemen, a lot 122 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: of things that the woke left has been pushing. People 123 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: are recognizing that's not really what national security is all about, 124 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: and perhaps the Democrats needed a wake up call long 125 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: before this. I would argue they certainly did. That our 126 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: military and national security readiness cannot be subject to the 127 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: political whims of the moment. It has to be about 128 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: what it's most effective, because this conflict could become bigger, 129 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: This could get larger. Right now, it seems to be 130 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: just about economic sections and diplomatic wrangling and pressure from 131 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: the outside. Let's hope it stays that way. From the 132 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: US perspective, We'll all be praying for a short conflict here, 133 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: for this to end as soon as is possible, for 134 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: Putin to see sense, to stop acting in this monstrous 135 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: way and trying to destroy effectively a neighboring government and 136 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: with it many many innocent lives. So we'll break this 137 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: down for you on the show today, getting into some 138 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: details about what's happening on the ground. We'll talk also 139 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: with an expert about the Biden response and Putin's possible 140 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: invocation of nuclear weapons as something in the background of 141 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: this conflict. 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How will the Ukrainian military, which 169 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: has been receiving American and Western weapons and aid in 170 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: recent years, be able to respond? How long will they 171 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: be able to continue on in this fight? Joining us 172 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: now is Steven Yates, former Deputy National Security Advisor to 173 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: Vice President Dick Cheney, and he is a fellow at 174 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: the America First Policy Institute. Steven, thanks for being with us, 175 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: my pleasure. Thank you for having me, buddy. Let's start 176 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: with how do you think the Russian advance is unfolding 177 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: so far? Pretty much what you expected, or even more 178 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: than had been anticipated on your end. Well, it seems 179 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: to be a very gradual campaign in some respects. Certainly, 180 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,079 Speaker 1: the first moves we are to establish air dominance and 181 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: knockout air defense capabilities on the part of the Ukrainians. 182 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: There are significant armaments that the Ukrainian military has. They've 183 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: also equipped their citizens. They have somewhat functional equivalent of 184 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: a Second Amendment at this point, where citizens are encouraged 185 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: to carry themselves. And so if they need to conduct 186 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: somewhat of an insurgency and the Russians at some point 187 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: start going house to house, you have an armed citizen 188 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: reader resist. Now, the Russians are likely, in your mind, Steven, 189 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: to do what in the days ahead. Yeah, My sense 190 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: is that the first limited objective for Vladimir Putin is 191 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: to install a friendly regime. So I think it's maximum 192 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: pressure to push back any kind of meaningful resistance until 193 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: it can put in place a different leadership. And then 194 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: well it's a wait and see as this where Putin 195 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: wants to establish this as a formal part of the 196 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: Russian Federation, or as it sufficient to have a friendly 197 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: government in the sphere of influence that inches toward the 198 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: Putin dream of re establishing the Soviet Union. Do you 199 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: think it's possible that his real goal here is to 200 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: absorb the entirety of Ukraine over time into the Russian Federation. Officially, 201 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: or is the cost of that likely to be too high? 202 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: Boast into both in terms of the men and material 203 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: cost to Russia as well as the outside pressure on 204 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: their finance. I think there's a lot of evidence that 205 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: it is his dream to revive these satellite states, is 206 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: a formal part of the Russian Federation or their empire 207 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: as it was before. I do, but I also think 208 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: that they will meet with sufficient resistance that this is 209 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: going to grind away for some time. They may be 210 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: able to flip political leadership. We don't know about the 211 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: issues related to personal safety or the continuity of government 212 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: plans that then if you create, may or may not have. 213 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: But in terms of actually being able to occupy and 214 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: hold this very large territory with a population that I 215 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: think will resist for some time much ifier prospect, Stephen, 216 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: you think that there's a possibility, would you say there's 217 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: actually before I ask for you to weigh in on that. 218 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: During the press conference today with Biden, the speech and 219 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: then the questions that he answered afterwards, there was a 220 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: moment where he was specifically pushed on China and the 221 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: role that China could have in this entire situation. Here's 222 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: how the President responded, watch, are you urging China to 223 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: help isolate Russia? Are you urging China to help isolate Russia? 224 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm not prepared to come in at the moment. Yeah, 225 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: what do you make of It's absolutely astonishing. I mean, 226 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: number one, why wouldn't the President United States even Igno 227 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: Coledge whether he has spoken to the President of the 228 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: China through all of this, whether speaking to China in 229 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: direct connection to Ukraine or speaking to China about don't 230 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: take the right the wrong message from what's happening in 231 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: Ukraine to increase some sense of deterrence on Taiwan or 232 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: broader East Asia interests. But for a president who has 233 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: been bragging about all of the people he has been 234 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: talking to in recent days and trying to chalk up 235 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: a win in the diplomatic column in the White House's estimation, 236 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: it's just breathtaking that he wouldn't say that he's even 237 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: talked to the leader of China and hinted at what 238 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: he tried to say. I mean, in the run up 239 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: to this, he threw all kinds of shade at Putin 240 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: about the conversations that happened between the leaders and their surrogates. 241 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: So it's just odd. Why the silence about China. What 242 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: do you think China is likely to do at this point? 243 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: Let's start before we get to the Taiwan question, Stephen, 244 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: with the issue of sanctions. And we know from the 245 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: case study, if you will, of North Korea, that if 246 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: you have Chinese Communist Party deciding to help a country 247 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: that is on its borders evade sanctions or keep its 248 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: economy afloat, it can do. So. How can China play 249 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: into making sure that the pressure on Putin isn't so 250 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: much that he caves the way that the West, NATO 251 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: and America wants him to based on these economic actions. Unfortunately, 252 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: there's multiple ways, and that's why I don't have very 253 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: high estimation of the effectiveness of sanctions against Russia. It 254 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: seems to be the only tool that Team Biden and 255 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: the Allies have really talked that much about. But China 256 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: has made lots of material available to Russia to try 257 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: to blunt any kind of economic impact. It also sitting 258 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: on the UN Security Council. If Russia itself isn't chairing 259 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: a meeting, which it has at the UN Security so 260 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: China will also use its veto to make sure that 261 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: there is no meaningful package of sanctions, as you mentioned 262 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: on North Korea, but also on a run. China's a 263 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: long track record of blocking the effectiveness of sanctions as 264 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: a pressure tool, and they said so openly right before 265 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: this invasion that they oppose sanctions as a tool of influence. 266 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: And so I think that the part of the Russia 267 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: China condominium that's very real is they're blocking together international 268 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: pressure campaigns. They'll have their own problems down the road 269 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: with diverging interests, but on this they see completely eye 270 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: to eye and it takes some serious tools out of 271 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: the US and NATO quiver now. On the time one question, 272 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: there were reports earlier today of Chinese aircraft entering Taiwanese 273 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: airspace at the first time this has happened, but obviously 274 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: given the rising temperature in Europe right now and concerns 275 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: about spillover effects to the geopolitical scene, people were paying 276 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,439 Speaker 1: close attention to this. Do you agree with what seems 277 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: to be almost a consensus analysis out there right now 278 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 1: that it's a particularly opportune moment for China to push 279 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: on the Taiwan issue and could even lead to Taiwan 280 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: China deciding that now is the time to seize Taiwan. 281 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: I still think that Taiwan is a harder target than 282 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people estimate. But the signals that are 283 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: coming from American weakness, from the Afghanistan withdrawal to this 284 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: tragic situation of provocative weakness with regard to the Russian 285 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine certainly will give a lot of opportunity 286 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: for shijiing Ping and his government to look to push 287 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: and so even if it's some kind of limited incursion 288 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: to take on offshore island or two other forms of pressure, 289 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: whether a cyber attack or any other tools that Russia 290 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: has deployed with Ukraine and see whether China could do 291 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: the same with Taiwan. There's several damaging things that I 292 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: do think that Chijingping will feel this is a time 293 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: of opportunity going the whole nine yards. Though I think 294 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: it's somewhat similar to Ukraine in that they might be 295 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: able to take Taiwan for a time, but there will 296 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: be a resistance and will be hard to govern and 297 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: harder to hold over time. But a lot of damage 298 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: could be done not just to the people of Taiwan, 299 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: but to the global supply chain and to the credibility 300 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: of our alliances now in multiple theaters of the world. Deviates. 301 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: Good to see you, Thanks for being with us. Thank you, Buck, 302 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: take care of coming up. How has the Biden administration 303 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: specifically responded to this? And also what about Vladimir Putin's 304 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: comments that there would be consequences the likes of which 305 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: we've never seen if America goes too far. We'll talk 306 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: to Rebecca Heinrich of the Hudset Institute in just a moment. 307 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: A lot of companies promise that your privacy is guaranteed, 308 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: but we know that's not true. 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What could 326 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: have been done from a diplomatic front, what will be 327 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: and how should we gauge how it's gone thus far 328 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: from the perspective of diplomacy. Joe Biden, a man who 329 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: has been on the wrong side of foreign policy matters 330 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: for over forty years, is now the commander in chief. 331 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: We have to deal with this reality. Join us down 332 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: to talk about this is Rebecca Heinrich. She is a 333 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: national security expert. Rebecca, thanks for being with us, Happy 334 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: to be here, Buck, Thank you so. Biden up to 335 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: this point here he is when he's asked whether he 336 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: underestimated Putin. Here's his response, Watch did you underestimate Putin? 337 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: And would you still describe them the way that it 338 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: did in the summer As a worthy adversary at the 339 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: time he was. I made it clear as an adversary, 340 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: and I said he was worthy. I didn't underestimate him, 341 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: and I've read most of everything he's written. Did you 342 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: read I shouldn't. I'm not the wise guy. You heard 343 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: the speech he made almost tw hours where the speech 344 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: is why he was going into Ukraine. He has much 345 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: larger ambitions in Ukraine. He wants to, in fact, re 346 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: established the former Soviet Union. That's what this is about. 347 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: And I think that his ambitions are are completely contrary 348 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: to the place where the rest of the world has arrived. Rebecca, 349 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: what do you make of Biden's response there and what 350 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: do you think about the question did he underestimate Ladimir Putin? Yes? 351 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: One of the problems with Joe Biden is he has 352 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: long had a hard time knowing who actually poses the 353 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: serious threat, what degree is the threat, and how to 354 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: handle it. I mean, this has been a long time 355 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: problem that he has had. Remember it was not that 356 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: long ago that he made similar comments about Jijin Ping, 357 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: about about China really not being that serious of a problem. 358 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: And then he gets briefings and then he gets told 359 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: to say things differently and to characterize things differently and 360 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: than he does. But it's very concerning that he was 361 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: still very recently calling him a worthy adversary, kind of 362 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: connoting that there's some sort of something worthy, something good 363 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: about Vladimir Putin and his aims. And he had an 364 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: opportunity here in the press conference to say I should 365 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: not have said that I did underestimate him. I thought 366 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: that he was more reasonable. I thought that we could 367 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: negotiate with him and compromise with him. And I was 368 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: wrong about that. Because that's the truth of the matter. Buck. 369 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: There are concerns that Putin may have drawn a red line, 370 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: specifically when it comes to the usage of nuclear weapons. 371 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: Biden was asked about this when he gave his speech 372 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: to the press conference or impromptu press conference he had afterwards. 373 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: This is how he views that threat of nuclear weapons? 374 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: Why this statement that he gave last night will that 375 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: the the threat that he gave the West will face 376 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: consequences greater than any you have faced in history. Is 377 00:22:55,200 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: he threatening a nuclear strike? I have no idea what 378 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: he's threatening. I know what he has done. Number one 379 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: and number two, no one expected the sanctions to prevent 380 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: anything from happening. It has to show this God take 381 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: time and we have to show resolve so he knows 382 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: what's coming. Now. First off, what do you make of 383 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: whether or not Russian I mean, is Russia is putin 384 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: in your mind threatening possible nuclear retaliation if outside forces 385 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: get involved in this Ukraine conflict. And I want to 386 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: ask you some questions as well, because you are a 387 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: missile's expert as part of your national security portfolio, about 388 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: what kind of practical nuclear weapons Russia may have at 389 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: ats disposal. But first, is there a real threat of 390 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: nuclear retaliation in what Putin said? Absolutely, that is what 391 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: that threat is. That is a veiled threat of nuclear employment. 392 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: And this is not the first time that Putin has 393 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: done that. His senior officials have been long doing that. 394 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: That That's why you'll hear a lot of commentary about 395 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: the number of nuclear weapons that Russia has. That is 396 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: a true things. It's a concern how many they have. 397 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: But there's another element about nuclear threats, nuclear the nuclear 398 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: element of this threat dynamic, and that's how the Russians 399 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: think about nuclear employment. Something that the Trump administration was 400 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: very attuned to, and something that I've been tracking for 401 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: many years is that the Russians had this idea of 402 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: escalating a purely conventional, non nuclear conflict, escalating it to 403 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: a low yield nuclear employment, thinking that they could threaten 404 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: this in order to get the United States and NATO 405 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: to back off. And that's why they have a massed 406 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: a huge number of theater ranged, low yield nuclear weapons 407 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: that are more credible to think that they might employ them, 408 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: but would be obviously horrific crossing that line from conventional 409 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: to nuclear. And we have got to take this seriously. 410 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: Joe Biden for years has spent his career being this 411 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: dove when it comes to nuclear weapons, trying to disarm 412 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: the United States, trying to roll back the number of 413 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons we have, trying to limit testing. He opposed 414 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: President Trump's additions to our nuclear deterrent, and he opposed 415 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: withdrawing from treaties, and even though the Russians were treating, 416 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: were cheating on them. And so it's very concerning for 417 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: someone like me who's been watching this. I mean, we 418 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: need we're trying to deter the use of that, so 419 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: we need to be doing everything we can to convince 420 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin that would be a major miscalculation on his 421 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: part to think that we would simply back down, because 422 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: if he thinks that, then that is actually going to 423 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: increase the likelihood that he could possibly do that. So 424 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: there definitely is just this cloud of concern about that 425 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: veiled threat. And he just tested nuclear delivery systems a 426 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: few days ago as this kind of foreboding precursor to 427 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: what he would be threatening when he did actually give 428 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: the go ahead to this invasion. Do you think that 429 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: the Russians would actually act on that red line of nuclear, 430 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: as you said, low yield nuclear weapons usage, if in 431 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: fact there was some NATO effort to back up the 432 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: Ukrainians with military force inside of Ukraine's borders. I mean, 433 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: at this point, it's it's nuclear brinksmanship. They're using their 434 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: nuclear weapons coercively, and that's what people to think that 435 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 1: there's nuclear employment and then there's nuclear use, meaning you're 436 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: just you're putting them in part of the conversation credibly 437 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: in order to carry out your military campaign. And so 438 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: in that sense, he's using them by threatening them. I 439 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: think at this point we ought to take it very 440 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: very seriously. I think that it's very hard for me 441 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: to just say definitively, but I think we need to 442 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 1: have some humility here. There's a lot of people who 443 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: just insisted very dangerously that Vladimir Putin wouldn't do what 444 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: he already has done. And it's this idea of you 445 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: think that they're going to behave the way you think 446 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: they ought, and it's called mere imaging. And I saw 447 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: a lot of that in commentary leading up to this. Oh, 448 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: he will never do aerial bombardment. Oh he would never 449 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: actually go all the way to Kiev. Oh, he would 450 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: never do this because he would threaten civilian casualties. He is, 451 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: he is marching all the way through Ukraine, and there 452 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: is a very serious concern, especially you know, in the 453 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: fog of war and missiles are flying buck I mean 454 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: more than one hundred missiles have landed in a Ukraine. 455 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: And if you have one air and one or a 456 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: war plane that inadvertently even goes into Poland airspace, and 457 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: then you have a Poland air I mean, Poland is 458 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: not going to tolerate that, and then you have a 459 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,199 Speaker 1: NATO member that is actually being attacked by Russia. And 460 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: so there's a lot of concern that this thing can 461 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: can really bleed into an actual confrontation with the NATO 462 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: alliance and that's my major concern at this point. We're 463 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: back here. Thanks for very well, us appreciate it. Thanks back. 464 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: What are our European allies, notably NATO allies going to 465 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: do about the situation in Ukraine right now? How they 466 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: reacted so far and what should our expectations be about 467 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: what's coming. We'll talk to Nile Gardner next about just that. 468 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: How will our European allies react to war in Ukraine 469 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: going on right now? The escalation seems to be something 470 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: that could spiral further and further out of control in 471 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: the days ahead. What will this mean for countries on 472 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: the periphery in Europe? Will it mean for our NATO 473 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: allies and for peace in the region in the future. 474 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: Is it achievable? Let's talk to Nile Gardner, director of 475 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundations, Margaret Center Thatcher for Freedom, Thanks so much, 476 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: a market Thatcher Center for Freedom. Thank you very with 477 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: us now, it's my pleasure of thanks buck. So NATO allies, 478 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: what are they trying to accomplish right now? What is 479 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: it looking like from the perspective of our closest allies 480 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: when you have this war that Putin has launched in Ukraine. Yeah, 481 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: that's a great question. And you know, the reality is 482 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: that Europe is deeply divided with regard to the response 483 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: against Russia. And you know, on the one hand, you 484 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: have countries like Great Britain, Poland, the Baltic States, some 485 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: of our central Eastern European allies, who have been very 486 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: strong and robust in the face of Russian aggression. On 487 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: the other side, you have the likes of Germany and France, 488 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: and also of course the EU elites who have been 489 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: you know, going out of their way to try and 490 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: appease Russia. And you've seen all sorts of peace missions 491 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: being sent by you know, the French and the Germans 492 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 1: off to Moscow to try and negotiate some kind of 493 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: peace deal to avert a war, but they failed spectacularly. 494 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: And so you know, you do have a Europe that 495 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: is very divided, not least because so many European countries 496 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: are energy dependent upon Russia. The Germans, for example, derive 497 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: over fifty percent of their energy supplies from the Russians, 498 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: and so you know, German politicians have been for many, 499 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: many years, i would say, quite favorable towards Moscow, and 500 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: certainly opposed to a tougher measures against a Putin's regime 501 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: because they rely upon Russian energy supplies. The French are 502 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: also heavily energy energy dependent, as of many Western European 503 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: are countries, and so you know, unfortunately we're not seeing 504 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: really the kinds of sanctions in place, the tough sanctions 505 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: that we need to see applied against Russia. So, for example, 506 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: the US and the UK have both supported the idea 507 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: of Russia being removed from the Swift International Banking System, 508 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: but the Germans in particular have strongly opposed. This only 509 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: is the dominant power in the European Union and so 510 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: what Germany says goes within the EU, and so we 511 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: don't see Swift includes it in the sanctions that Joe 512 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,959 Speaker 1: Biden outlined today, and I think it's it's also, you know, 513 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: quite a failure on the part of the Biden administration 514 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: not to apply greater pressure upon Germany and other European 515 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: countries to get on board with some of the tougher sanctions. 516 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: So but I have to say I wasn't tremendously impressed 517 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: by what Joe Biden outlined today in a press conference 518 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: of the White House. It left out some of the 519 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: tougher measures that should have been in place, and you know, 520 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: the Biden White House really hasn't made a great effort 521 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: in terms of applying pressure on some Western European countries, 522 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: especially Germany and France. Now, what is the ultimate sanction 523 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: as you see it here that could be put into placement? 524 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: What would the SWIFT system homeously you mentioned that would 525 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: be very that would be significant. Biden claims that what 526 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: they're doing is close to or perhaps even stronger than 527 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: that already. I wanted your assessment on that. But also 528 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: my understanding is that the sanctions as of now, at 529 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,239 Speaker 1: least against Russia do not affect oil X sports. Can 530 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: you go to more detail about that because it feels 531 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: like that would be an area you'd want to hit. Yeah. So, 532 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, firstly, with regard to the sanctions are aligned today, 533 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: they're not as strong as removing Russia from SWIFT. If 534 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: you take Russia out of SWIFT, the Russians are incapable 535 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: of any kind of international banking transaction. It's it's as 536 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: simple as that. Actually, because SWIFT, which is based in 537 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: Brussels and basically is overseen by the European Union, Swift 538 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: as an immensely powerful mechanism. So you know, what what 539 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: Biden was saying today was actually, you know, really nonsense 540 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: in many respects, and you put an awful lot of 541 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: spin on this, and anyone who knows, you know, the 542 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: reality of what Swift does knows that what Biden was 543 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,719 Speaker 1: talking was really rubbish actually on this, on this particular issue. 544 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: And in terms of the you know, the sanctions that 545 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: are being employed, I mean they are sort of specifically 546 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: aimed at you know, various Russian older guards, etc. But 547 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't really exclude Russia entirely from the international financial 548 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: and banking system, which is what really needs to be done. 549 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: We need to bring the Russian economy to its knees. 550 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: You know, Russia is not a vast economic supervo. It's 551 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: the eleventh largest economic power in the world. It's it's 552 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: economy is actually only about twice the size of Poland. 553 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: It's smaller than the significantly smaller than the British economy, 554 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: it's smaller than the French economy. So it's not a 555 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: large scale, you know, top ten economy. And we're quite 556 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: quite capable to actually of frankly completely you know, ruining 557 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: the Russian economy if we want to do that. But 558 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: Biden doesn't appear to be willing to impose the kind 559 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: of sanctions that are needed and also apply the pressure 560 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: on European countries to support those sanctions. Also, you know, 561 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: as you brought up, I mean, we're not seeing the 562 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: kinds of you know, energy sanctions that that should be 563 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: put in place as well. And so these limited sanctions 564 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: of scope. And then Biden was talking about, oh, let's 565 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: assess the situation one month from now to see whether 566 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 1: we need to strengthen the sanctions. Russian tanks are rolling 567 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: into a Ukraine as we speak. There are two hundred 568 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: thousand Russian troops either massing on the border with Ukraine 569 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,479 Speaker 1: or inside Ukraine itself. Russian forces are fifteen miles away 570 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: from the center of Kiev, the capital of Ukraine. And 571 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: so we don't have a month to spend, you know, 572 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: with tremendous time and luxury to think about whether these 573 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: sanctions going to work or not. The reality is the 574 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: Russians invading right now. Joe Biden didn't succeed in detering 575 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 1: a Russian invasion. These sanctions are not going to stop 576 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: a Russian invasion. And you know, we need to have 577 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: take action on so many other fronts in addition to sanctions. 578 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: Sanctions are important, but they're not going to stop the 579 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: Russians from, you know, from taking the capital city. The 580 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: United Nations obviously has also failed to prevent the invasion 581 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: that is now under way. And people are pointing out 582 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: that Russia has a see in fact, Russia is now 583 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: having Russia has the presidency of the UN Security Council, 584 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: and the Ukrainian representative to the UN, Sergey Klitzia, was 585 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: asking them to give it up. Watch that the Russian 586 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: Federation ought to relinquish responsibilities of the President of the 587 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: Security Council, past these responsibilities onto a legitimate member of 588 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: Security Council, a member that is respectful of the Charter. 589 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: And I ask the members of Security Council to convene 590 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: an emergencymitting immediately and consider all necessary draft decisions to 591 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 1: stop the war. Because it's too late, my dear colleagues, 592 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: to speak about the escalation. Too late, the Russian president declared, 593 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: the var is the UN relevant, Well, I'm right now 594 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: on Ukraine, it's not because, after all, as you mentioned, 595 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, the Russians are chairing the Security Council. They 596 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: are a permanent member of the UN Security Council. Russia 597 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: and China actively collaborating over Ukraine, and so two of 598 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: the five permanent members of the UN Security Council are 599 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: are basically, you know, either directly involved with invasion of 600 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: Ukraine or backing it. And so you know, the UN 601 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: Security Council isn't going to do anything at all at 602 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: this time. And if anything, you know, the UN Security Council, 603 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: through Russia and China are actually going to be enabling 604 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: what's going on in Ukraine. So this is the tragic 605 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: reality of the situation. You're probably going to have millions 606 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: of refugees fleeing Ukraine as a result of the war. 607 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: You know, what's what is the UN actually going to 608 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: do about that? We don't know actually, because I suspect 609 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: the UN hasn't actually drawn up any plans for this, 610 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: even though Pugon has been flagging an invasion now for 611 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: several months. You've had Russian troops massing on the border 612 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: with Ukraine is March last year, and it was only 613 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago actually that the Biden administration woke 614 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 1: up to the reality that Ukraine was likely to be invaded. 615 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: But as for the United Nations, I have to say that, 616 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, the the UN tends to be an institution 617 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: that does, you know, very little good at times of 618 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: international crisis, and it's often on the completely on the 619 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: side lines or completely useless. We saw that with Afghanistan, 620 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: where the UN role there as the Taliban took over 621 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: Afghanistan was was was close to zero actually, and I 622 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: suspect that it's going to be the same on the 623 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: on the Ukraine front and with the Russians chair in 624 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: the UN Security Council, you're not going to be seen 625 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: many resolutions from the UN Security Council condemning the Russian 626 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: invasion of Ukraine. That that's for sure. Oh thanks very Willard, 627 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: to appreciate it, my pleasure, Thanks very much, Bud. Coming up, 628 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: we're gonna broaden out the news here to the quick 629 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 1: kids that we have and gotten to yet stay with 630 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: us a lot of focus that of course on the 631 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 1: war in Ukraine. There are some other news stories want 632 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 1: to bring your attention also some let's just say, secondary 633 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: stories for your consideration to tie into Ukraine. And that's 634 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: why we have quick hits to bring it all together 635 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 1: for you finish up the show. People like his books 636 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: on horror stories or whatever, and their movies made out 637 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: of them. He should stick to clowns that attack people 638 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,720 Speaker 1: with knives, or toasters that come alive and eat people, 639 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Stephen King is out there and 640 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,799 Speaker 1: he has one of the great hot takes. I've got 641 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: to say, my great, I mean awful on the issue 642 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 1: of this Ukraine fighting. He put out that quote, mister 643 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: p this was on Monday. Mister Putin has made a 644 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: serious miscalculation. He forgot he's no longer dealing with Trump. 645 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: Oh okay, do people really have this kind of hero worship? 646 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 1: I mean, someone who you would think has a pretty 647 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: high IQ, pretty high brainpower, someone like Stephen King, just 648 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,319 Speaker 1: based on his books, he would really think that Joe 649 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 1: Biden is a man who is formidable intellectually, in terms 650 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: of character or otherwise. Really thinks that Joe Biden's got 651 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,799 Speaker 1: to get all this done. That's pretty shocking, isn't it. 652 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 1: But a lot of people out there they acted like this. 653 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: I still remember in New York City when they announced 654 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden was the winner of the twenty twenty election, 655 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: there was the honking of horns and cheering and shouting 656 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: in the streets, people acting like the Messiah had arrived, 657 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: and it was Joe Biden votes a dementia patient on 658 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: some days and on others just a third tier politician 659 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: with a fourth tier mind who somehow is now commander 660 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: in chief in president United States. It's shocking to see, 661 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: but this is what we're dealing with. And it's not 662 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: as though Biden's advisors and the people around him Joe 663 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: tremendous competence and seem like the kind of people you'd 664 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: want making really important decisions about much of anything. In fact, 665 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: here is the former Secretary of State, current Envoy for 666 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: Climate because that's a position, that's a policy matter that 667 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 1: we have to have looked at very closely. John Kerry, 668 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: who was saying, remember, there are bombs exploding in the 669 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: capital of Ukraine and Kiev right now. There are people 670 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: who are hiding in bomb shelters, and civilian casualties are 671 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,320 Speaker 1: inevitable in this conflict right now. But John Kerry is 672 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 1: worried about how this could distract from our ability to 673 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: get putent to act on the primary national security throughout 674 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: the Democrats believe is out there, which is Climate Change 675 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: Watch I'm very concerned about I'm concerned about Ukraine because 676 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: of the people who Ukraine and because of the principles 677 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: that are at risk in terms of international law and 678 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: trying to change boundaries of international law by force. I 679 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: thought we lived in a world that had said no 680 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: to that kind of activity, and I hope diplomacy will win. 681 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 1: But massive emissions consequences to the war. But equally importantly, 682 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: you're going to lose people's focus. You're going to lose 683 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: certainly big country attention because they will be diverted, and 684 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: I think it could have a damaging impact. So, you know, 685 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: I think hopefully President Putin would realize that in the 686 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: northern part of his country, they used to live on 687 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: sixty six percent of a nation that was over frozen land. 688 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: Now it's thawing, and his infrastructure is at risk, and 689 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: the people of Russia at risk. And so I hope 690 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: President Putin will help us to stay on track with 691 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:52,240 Speaker 1: respect to what we need to do for the climate. Yeah, 692 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: the threat of the tundra thawing in Russia is going 693 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: to really get Putin's attention here and make him stop 694 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: a regressive invasion of a neighboring country. That guy was 695 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: Secretary ste he was almost president. He was a Democrat's 696 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,919 Speaker 1: nominee for president back in the day. You recall so 697 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: stunning to see how this continues to play out with 698 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: some of the biggest buffoons you can imagine in top 699 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: national security positions all around the US government, or in 700 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: the case of I'm an nVoy whatever that's supposed to 701 00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: be third taxpayers putting the bill for that makes it sick. 702 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: And then there's Joy Behar. Yeah, national security analysts, excordinaire, 703 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: Joy Behar. She's out there letting everybody know that. You know, 704 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: she wants to go to Italy, and first COVID stopped her, 705 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,720 Speaker 1: and now this war in Ukraine. These are the important 706 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: things she's thinking about. What I also thought about was 707 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: the fact that estimates are fifty thousand Ukrainians will be 708 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,920 Speaker 1: dead or wounded, and that this is going to start 709 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: a humanitarian crisis, a refugee crisis in Europe. We're talking 710 00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: about five million people that are going to be disappoint Yeah, 711 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's heartbreaking to hear what is going 712 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: to happen. Well, I'm scared of what's going to happen 713 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: in Western Europe too. Yeah, you know, you just you 714 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: plan a trip. You want to go there. I want 715 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,959 Speaker 1: to go to Italy for four years and I haven't 716 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 1: been able to make it because of the pandemic and 717 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: now this, you know, it's it's like, who's gonna what's 718 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: gonna happen there? Yeah, the big problems we all faced, 719 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: those laid trips to Italy. Weve more for you tomorrow, 720 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: hold line, thanks for being here. We got the bill. 721 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: O'Reilly show up next to No Spin News Fields High