1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ and 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: Buck with you. 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: Buck? What's going on? Man? Not too much, just in 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: the middle of the hustle path, the draft and all 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: things that were going were so good. 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Who we got today? Who we 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: got on show today? We're working with? Are thinkna do 9 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: the McCoy thing we did yesterday? 10 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the McCoy thing that we're doing. 11 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 3: DJ. 12 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 2: You letting me insither seekers out. They shouldn't know it 13 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: was taped yesterday. But yeah, so it's that Dennis Mark 14 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: Ross sent the Freeland me and Rett. 15 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: There you go a little path of the draft. 16 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: Be able to check that out. 17 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: We had a fun conversation with Yourmond McCoy the corner 18 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: from Tennessee, so that'll be on there and a. 19 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: Lot of the good stuff there, so check that out. Buck. 20 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: I want to start us off here today and get rolling. 21 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: It's time. 22 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: It's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by 23 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: with Sabby, Hot Cloud Storage and Hot off the Press. 24 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: This morning is the Raiders following Fernando Mendoz's pro day, 25 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: which we will get to have made a move to 26 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: get Kirk. Cousins bring him into the building with a 27 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: creative contract, which I love. That cracks me up because 28 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: they are going to make the Atlanta Falcons pay the price. 29 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: It was ten million dollars O to Kirk. Whatever he 30 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: signs for this year gets offset, so that saves the 31 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: Falcons some money. So if Kirk signs a ten million 32 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: dollar contract with the Raiders, guess what, the Falcons don't 33 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: don't have to pay him a dime. 34 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: No, no, no. 35 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: They are going to do the minimum for one point 36 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: three million, put the Falcons on the hook for the 37 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: eight point seven million, but then have a kicker with 38 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: an automatic guarantee going into the next year for ten 39 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: million bucks. So basically it's like, okay, the Raiders like 40 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: like right now for us, you know, for what I'm 41 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: going to do for this team, be this starter here 42 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: for a year. That's a that's a ten million dollars service. 43 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: But I'm actually gonna make You're gonna pay the ten million. 44 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: But let's not let the Falcons off the hook. Let's 45 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: let's make the Falcons pay ten million as well. So 46 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: Kurk can end up getting twenty million out of this 47 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: year and next year out of this whole deal. So 48 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: creative contract, but serves the purpose for what John Spytech 49 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: the GM and what Tom Brady, one of their owners 50 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: minority owners, has talked about, which is wanting to have 51 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: a veteran in place so that Fernando Mendoza They haven't 52 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: said that specifically, but the number one pick quarterback will 53 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: not have to step on the field. He can sit 54 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: back and learn. 55 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: Man. It's great. It's great all around. And it's great 56 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 2: because you bringing a guy who's played a lot. You're 57 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: bringing in a guy who could be a bit of 58 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: a muse for Fernando Mendoz in terms of looking at 59 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: a style of play, understanding the system, someone who has 60 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: been like steep in this system and knows all the 61 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: in and outs. And we know that Mendoz is going 62 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: to be a great study. He's gonna pay attention, He's 63 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: going to do that. So Kurt been a willing mentor 64 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: should Hurt should help Mendoza kind of find his game 65 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 2: in time. But then when you talk about Tom Brady 66 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: and Tom Brady having to undergo what he went through 67 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: when he was the backup to Drew Blesso and how 68 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: he sat there first the second year. He's always been 69 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 2: a big believer, and that what allows your number one 70 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: overall pick to maybe do something that Carson Palmer did, 71 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: which is literally sit the entire year before you have 72 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 2: an opportunity to take over the start it down, to 73 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: look down the roop. 74 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we kind of got away from that 75 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: a lot. You know, we talked about Mahomes being one 76 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: of the more recent ones, but I do think, you know, 77 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: there is something to that. Especially I like it when 78 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: you have a coach going into year one, which you 79 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: have with Kubiak, you have a GM that's very comfortable 80 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: and confident in his space there that you don't have 81 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: that pressure of like, man, we got to get him 82 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: out there. And this feels different where in years past 83 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: people have brought in, you know, a veteran quarterback and 84 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: it felt like, okay, two games, three games, four games, whatever. 85 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: It is like that they're going to pull the ripcord 86 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: and feel the pressure. I don't think they're going to 87 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: feel that pressure. I think Tom Brady, having played the 88 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: position and having sat and learned, I think his belief 89 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: in that is going to embolden the coaching staff of like, hey, no, 90 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: let's just wait. And I think Cousins is fully capable 91 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: of playing, you know, functionally starting football right now. 92 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's a big thing. And I 93 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: think that's probably why it was very appealing to him 94 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: to go to the Raiders, because you probably got a 95 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: bit of an insurance to hey, man, this is gonna 96 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: be your job. This is not a competition in training camp. 97 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: This is not a situation where you have to look 98 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 2: over your shoulder. You're gonna be able to play it now. Eventually, 99 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: it's gonna be for an end of Mendoz's team, but 100 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 2: maybe you dictate when he takes over, as opposed to 101 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 2: us putting them on a specific time. I think he's 102 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: gonna take I think for him in wanting to start, 103 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: it's probably the best situation that he could be in. 104 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, if the Raiders can win 105 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: some games along the way, it's a win win for 106 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 2: the player and organization. 107 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting when you look at what's 108 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: the identity of this team and how they're trying to 109 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: build it out. You look at Linderbaum an intelligence center. 110 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, you know, has long been regarded as one 111 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: of the smartest quarterbacks that's played in the NFL, and 112 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: now Mendoza, who's that's probably his best attribute. You know, 113 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: obviously the size is there, but incredibly incredibly bright. 114 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: Guy was an IVY league, you know, recruit. 115 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: So you're putting some brain power in there together for 116 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: these guys to all kind of learn from each other 117 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: and really for Fernando to learn from them, but to 118 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,119 Speaker 1: have access if your Mendoza is a first overall pick, 119 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: to tap into the brain of a center who's who 120 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: knows the game inside and out, who's going to be 121 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: there for a while, to be able to tap into 122 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: a veteran quarterback, and then to have Tom Brady there 123 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: as well as as the offensive coordinator and last year's 124 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: Super Bowl winning team who grew up in football and 125 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: a football family that in an offense that everybody in 126 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: the whole league runs like. I mean, if he does. 127 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: If it doesn't work out for Fernando Mendoza, it won't 128 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: be the fault of the Raiders in terms of what 129 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: they've done to try and put him in a good spot. 130 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: Man, Can you imagine what a group text change is 131 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 2: going to look like with Fernando texting Tom Brady kirk 132 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 2: Cousins and Kubiak all on one's all day just because 133 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: of the knowledge that he wants and the knowledge that 134 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: they'll be willing to give up. It's gonna be interesting, 135 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: but it's a great situation, and if this works out, 136 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: hopefully it will lead to a trend back to the 137 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: development phase of the quarterback position. We've gotten away from 138 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: that because we're really concerned with the rookie quarterback and 139 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: the clock and those things. But it might have been 140 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: detrimental to the play and performance of those young quarterbacks. 141 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: Maybe this works out and you have others that are 142 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: kind of following their lead. 143 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see if this starting new trend here. I 144 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: do think there's other effects from this decision. I should 145 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: say Pittsburgh Steelers. As we're recording this, nothing's been done 146 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: with with Rogers. We don't know anything there. People can speculate, 147 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: they think he's going to be back, but they you know, 148 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: there's nothing for sure there. And then I felt like 149 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins would have been the fallback, like the veteran fallback. 150 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: If that, you know, were to fall through, that's off 151 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: the table now. So if Aaron Rodgers decides that he's 152 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: done and he doesn't want to play. Now, I'm fascinated 153 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: to see how that impacts the Pittsburgh Steelers. I did 154 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: not think they would be a Ty Simpson team at all. 155 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: I don't think he really fits there great. You know, 156 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: maybe it's a maybe it's a second round. Maybe maybe 157 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: you end up taking Beck, you know, maybe you're looking 158 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: at him as a third round pick. Maybe that pumps 159 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: him into the second to come in there and compete 160 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: with Will Howard and Mason Rudolph. But I don't know 161 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: if there's a great veteran option. If Rogers decides not 162 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: to play and Kirk Cousins is off the table, I 163 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: don't and even Flacco Flacco is being gone, like there 164 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: are not a lot of options out there right now. 165 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: Well, maybe they feel like Mason Rudolph is the option. 166 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Mason Rudolph if Aaron Rodgers isn't there, maybe 167 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 2: they feel comfortable enough that Mason Rudolph can start games. 168 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: He started games in the league. He's a Pittsburgh guy 169 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: in terms of like he's been in their organization for 170 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: a long time. Maybe they feel great about that. And 171 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: if he has to be the starter, you have Will 172 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: Howard as a backup, and maybe, as you talked about 173 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: Carson Big, Drew Aller, whoever they deem to be the 174 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: development of quarterback, maybe they bring in some one that 175 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: can be a Day two selection. It's not ideal, but 176 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: to me this speaks I feel like they have assurances 177 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: that Aaron Rodgers is coming back, just given the things 178 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 2: that we've seen hit the news. He he's gonna make 179 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: his decision before the draft. I feel like, giving the 180 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: relationship with Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers, he's had to 181 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: tip his hand on whether he's playing or not, and 182 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: they're going to work around to and proceed at court 183 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 2: like proceed according to plan. Yeah. 184 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: Well, Kirk Cousins off the table there and in the 185 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: other place where I thought kirk Cousins made sense. I mean, 186 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: you'd heard Sean McVay talk about it with the Rams, 187 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: you know, making a public flea for Kirk, wanting to 188 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: get him to come in there and be some insurance 189 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: for Stafford that that fell on deaf ears that didn't happen. 190 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: I think Kirk wants to play, and then that's the 191 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: opportunity's going to have there. But the other place he 192 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: could have gone and had, you know, a real clear 193 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: path to play as a starter next year was Arizona. 194 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: So Arizona missing out on him. I know Brissett's there, 195 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: but I you know, I don't imagine that they're super 196 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: excited about running it back there. But they're to me 197 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: the most likely quarterback team draft team outside of the Raiders. 198 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: So the Raiders take Mendoz at one. If you're going 199 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: to say which team is most likely to take the 200 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: second quarterback, and I don't think it'll be at three. 201 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: You know, thirty four is where they are in the 202 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: second round, I would say that's where I would place 203 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: the most likely to me as I look at it 204 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: three weeks out. 205 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's interesting. I had to do a deep 206 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: dive on was going back, not only looking at my nose, 207 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 2: but kind of rewatching the tape of those things. And 208 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,479 Speaker 2: when I think about the potential fit between him and Arizona, 209 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: it would work out just in looking at the system, 210 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 2: because sometimes we're it gets lost in the discourse when 211 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: we have these conversations or you have a polarizing prospect 212 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: like he has kind of become because of not his 213 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: own doing, but because of all the conversation around him. 214 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 2: You wonder what fits, what works in those things, I 215 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: will see I can. I would say, I think I 216 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 2: understand why he's appealing DJ. It's like clinic tape when 217 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: you watch deep processes and throw ball over the middle. 218 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: When it's good, particularly those first nine games of the season, 219 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: it's pretty spectacular. Like you watch him against Georgia. You 220 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: watch him, I mean there's a gauntlet right where he 221 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: goes through, Like is Georgia Missouri Tennessee. I mean it's 222 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: like four games against ranked teams. Vanderbilt is also in there, 223 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: and he is lighting them up, He's carving them up. 224 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: You see him process, you see the play actions, You 225 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: see all the things that that system typically requires and 226 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: demands of his people that you have limited experience, The 227 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: durability concerns, those are big factors when you've seen the 228 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: number of guys that have failed. But in that system 229 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 2: it should work because that's the same system that has 230 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 2: helped rock Perdy become a borderline elite level player. It's 231 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: just the experience. And so if you take him at 232 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: the bottom of the first round, I think it's Jakobe 233 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: Wes said, they may have gone him into too you 234 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 2: might be able to buy yourself some time to get 235 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: him on the fields. So Dennis, about do we trade 236 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: up in there, because we want him as the player, 237 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: even though we may not deem him to be a 238 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: first round player, but we want him. So we take 239 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: him in the twenties, We get him, we put them 240 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: on the show four year or so, and then in 241 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: time we have our franchise quarterback. I just don't know 242 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: if the GM has that much time to coach, does 243 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if the GM has that much time 244 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: to kind of live through the struggles that could happen 245 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 2: with a quarterback on the show. 246 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's just a you know, there's a lot 247 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: of there's a lot of connective tissue here when you 248 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: just see one player sign and that's what happened with 249 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins going to the Raiders. That was this week's 250 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: Hot or Not segment, brought to you by with Sabbi 251 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: Hot Cloud Storage, storemore and do more with your data. 252 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: Try them for free at with sabby dot com. We 253 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: will be right back after this, all right, Buck. We 254 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: had a chance to watch the Fernando Mendoza Pro day yesterday, 255 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: and before we get into what we saw and covering it, 256 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: and what you take from it. We do have a 257 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: couple of interesting pieces of sound we can roll from 258 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: the proa yesdayre Buddy Rhett was there, had a chance 259 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: to visit not only with Fernando, but with his head 260 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: coach and Kurt Signetti. Here's a little bit of what 261 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: Coach Signetti had to say about his quarterback. 262 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: The thing I will say is as good as he is, 263 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 3: he still will improve immensely and barely scratch the surface 264 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: of his potential, but compete and when the chips are down, 265 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: plays very very best respect from his teammates because of 266 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: the type of competitor he is and how he prepares 267 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: special guy. 268 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: There you go your thoughts on coach Signetti there, Well. 269 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: Look, man, it's always worked for him when it comes 270 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: to finding quarterback to many to develop and let's understand 271 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 2: what Kirk, what Fernando Mendoza was when he came out 272 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: of KAH. He wasn't a finished product and they slowly 273 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 2: but surely developed him and found a way to man 274 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: what he does really well. He talked about the competitiveness, 275 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: you see that, but I would say the connectivity and 276 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: watching the pro day workout everything that kurtsey that he 277 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: said about Fernando Mendoza you saw play out in real time, 278 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: the way that he had command of the offense, the 279 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: way he had command in terms of his interactions with 280 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: his players, and the way that that was reciprocated, particularly 281 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: at the end. Playing the position is unique because the 282 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,199 Speaker 2: quarterack position is not only just one way were talking 283 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: about physical traits and tools. It's a connectivity position. It's 284 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: a position and he has all of those things. And 285 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: I would say this DJ, the more that I see 286 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: him engage, interact interview, the more that I'm convinced that 287 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 2: his personality, even though some would deem it as quirky, 288 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 2: will work because that's authentically who he is and that's 289 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: the most important part of being a great leader. Yeah. 290 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: I think the key thing that he said there too 291 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: is that he's just going to keep getting better, and 292 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: he has. He's gotten better throughout his time, you know, 293 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: going from a two star recruit, you know, basically going 294 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: to be a walk on a cal to where he 295 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: is now is the number one overall pick. He's continued 296 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: to improve and grind on that way. You know, all 297 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: the stuff we learned yesterday about the you know, the 298 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: VR work that he's been doing. Going back to the 299 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: Jayden and Daniels topic we had when he was comingunder 300 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: the draft, like he literally lives in the facility. He's 301 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: obsessed with being good. And I think the fact that 302 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: he's going to have a chance to sit behind Kirk Cousins, 303 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: he's going to get a chance to become a master 304 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: of the offense and learning everything and knowing everything, I 305 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: think that's going to only help him and give him 306 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: a better chance. I thought the biggest takeaway wasn't how 307 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: he you know, he threw the ball. He threw the 308 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: ball fine. I mean it was more to service the wideouts, 309 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: I thought than it was a quarterback pro day. But 310 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: my biggest takeaway outside of him interacting with people. 311 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: As you mentioned, was just how big he is. 312 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: He's two hundred and thirty eight pounds and it's dense, 313 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: like he has got a thick lower body. 314 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, a big lower body. And we talked about prototypes. 315 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 2: He's built like the prototypical quarterback has playing in the 316 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: league for long. Well. People sometimes get mad when we 317 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: talk about measure bulls and dimensions and league wide trends 318 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: in those things, but part of our job at SCALS 319 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 2: and evaluated is to mitigate risks. And when a certain 320 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: type has played in the league for a long time, 321 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: you're more likely to buy into that type. And when 322 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: you look at them in those eyes, his trace, his frame, 323 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 2: he certainly a setup for success just given the physical 324 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 2: stature that he has. 325 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, being big doesn't keep you immune from injuries. Being 326 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: small doesn't guarantee that you're going to get hurt. But man, 327 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: the odds sure swing in your favor or against you 328 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: based off the size. 329 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: Just you have more. 330 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: Body armor, you've got a better chance of staying healthy. 331 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one hundred percent. We understand why you 332 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: want to have those types we talked about, like the 333 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 2: frame and the stature in size. You came from a 334 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: division when you work for the Baltimore Ravens where everybody 335 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: was a big body quarterback. You had to have a 336 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 2: big body quarterback. No, I don't to withstand the conditions, 337 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: but the defenses that you were playing against. Talking about 338 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: it being a big man's game, it is a big 339 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: man's game, and quarterback is one where you have to 340 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: be able to lift end the pounding. Because the expectation 341 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: of the franchise quarterbacks, the great ones and you saw 342 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: working with the charge, Philip Rivers takes the ball every 343 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 2: week like that was his thing. He's gonna take the ball. 344 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: We now see justin Herbert. He takes the ball every week. 345 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: That's how it is and look true or not. We 346 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: do feel like bigger is better when it comes to 347 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: being able to withstand the injury bug. 348 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, any other any other takeaways you had from the 349 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: proto yesterday? We had the white outs out there, we 350 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: had the ponds freaking rolling. It wasn't I don't think 351 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: he was quite the four to three one that was circulating, 352 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: but he was in the four threes. And he jumped 353 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: forty three and a half inches at the combines undersized corner. 354 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: If you don't have the prototypical size, you better blow 355 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: out the rest of the work And his tape is excellent, 356 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: and he blew out you know, the workout as well 357 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: as the testing. 358 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fascinating and that time goes with the vertical 359 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: and the broad jump and things that we know to 360 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,479 Speaker 2: be true. And then you throw on the tape and 361 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: it's the high IQ the things that make him a 362 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: really good football player. We're rejecting him as a nickel 363 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 2: player just because he played outside primarily in the end, 364 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: but man, with all the things that he brings, man, 365 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: he would appear to be a dynamic slot player. And 366 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: I just think that is his path and running what 367 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: he rant. I think it makes it more comfortable for 368 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 2: a coach to say, hey, I'm good with him in 369 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: the second round, because I think that's where he lives. 370 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, Dangelo Pons. By the way, if I said Diego, 371 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: it's I've got Diego pounds Dangelo Ponds, I mean, I 372 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: got to get this stuff. So I got to get 373 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: it straightened out here. We got three weeks before the draft. Buck, 374 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 1: I can't be doing can't be making those mistakes. But anyways, yeah, 375 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: I thought it was. It was a good day for him. 376 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: Noah Kowski's a fun player there tight end. It's kind 377 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: of a you know, interesting body type. He's a little 378 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: more compact. But Mann, he's a really really good blocker. 379 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: He catches everything. I think he's probably like a fifth 380 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: round pick, maybe he's a sixth round pick, but just 381 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: a real tough dude. And you know, when we're watching 382 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: all those guys work out yesterday, that was probably my 383 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: biggest overall takeaway. There are guys who've played and you 384 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: go back through and you're looking it up guys that 385 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: played a lot of football and the toughness, Like every 386 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: guy that was. 387 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: Up there, we're like, oh, this tough kid. That's a 388 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: tough kid, like they there's a root, not just because 389 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 2: you have a tough coach. The coach is hard. 390 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: Like they've got tough kids there. 391 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, they have tough kids. They do a really 392 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: good job of developing. And I think the more that 393 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: we are around the program and everyone's doing this right, 394 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: they missed un of respected and the overall program. Both 395 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 2: coordinators have been fantastic the continuity that they've had, but 396 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: their identification process has been terrific. And he talked about 397 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: toughness and production being at the top of the list. 398 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: Got to have tough guys, got to be productive and 399 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 2: have a track record of production. So he's more a 400 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: I worry about production more so than potential. And it's 401 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 2: worked for them. More people going to take that model. 402 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: And we've both been involved with organizations who kind of 403 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 2: live by their credo. The production matters, and I think 404 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 2: that is something to always remember when we were projecting 405 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: to the next level, no question. All right, well there 406 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: you go. 407 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: It was a little breakdown on the Indiana Pro Day 408 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: as well as a look at the Las Vegas Raiders 409 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: who are getting ready to find their quarterback of the future, 410 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: having already found their quarterback for now in Kirk Cousin. 411 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: So hope you guys enjoyed this one. We will be 412 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: back again with one more episode. This week we'll dig 413 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: into some of the top Day two players that we're 414 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:22,919 Speaker 1: keeping an eye on, so be on the lookout for that. 415 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: See you next time right here on movie Sticks.