Speaker 1: What is Up?
Speaker 2: Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode of the Mets
Speaker 2: Up podcast. Little series win against the Atlanta Braves. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't go figure. Twenty twenty six is a year
Speaker 2: the Mets have the Braves number just absolutely eviscerted them.
Speaker 2: On Monday night, a little bit of a split double
Speaker 2: header on Wednesday. Good first game, second game, Chris Sale happens,
Speaker 2: so the Mets just don't hit, which is understandable. And
Speaker 2: of course we have some more trade rumors and everything
Speaker 2: going on with the MLB trade deadline before we get
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Speaker 1: This is probably not one of them.
Speaker 2: This is a late night recording because the Mets still
Speaker 2: again refuse to end series during the day.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least it was quick game.
Speaker 3: Three post to end this series during the day. The
Speaker 3: rain just killed us there and then the very cheeky
Speaker 3: split doubleheaded by the Mets trying to duce every single
Speaker 3: cent out of us this season. But don't really love
Speaker 3: that funny comment. I don't remember who made it during
Speaker 3: the second game, but that last year the Mets needed
Speaker 3: one win to get into the playoffs and they were
Speaker 3: well below five hundred against their own division. This year,
Speaker 3: Mets are seventeen games out the five hundred against the
Speaker 3: rest in total, and they're like, I think a game under,
Speaker 3: game over or just five hundred against the NL East,
Speaker 3: which is the best or second best division in baseball, dude.
Speaker 2: And then also, how about the fact that, like my
Speaker 2: record and your record this year at Mets games for
Speaker 2: not unbelievable. I don't think you've seen a loss. I
Speaker 2: think seen one now, Yeah, I think i've six to
Speaker 2: one or maybe two. Like I think I'm like ten
Speaker 2: and two, and I think, like, that's almost unfathomable considering
Speaker 2: the Mets have won forty six games.
Speaker 3: This was your first game in person a while. What
Speaker 3: was it like in there?
Speaker 2: This was my first game since Ernie's birthday night after
Speaker 2: the day after the Knicks won the NBA Finals game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was an absolute They beat the
Speaker 1: Braves beat the Braves beat the Braves, got to beat
Speaker 1: the breaks off of them. It was very, very empty.
Speaker 2: I understand day game during the middle of the week,
Speaker 2: it's not like the easiest people go out to. I
Speaker 2: think if there was no camp days might have been
Speaker 2: five thousand people in the stadium.
Speaker 1: The whole vibe was bizarre. I felt like it was
Speaker 1: really quiet.
Speaker 2: I felt like there wasn't even a lot to particularly
Speaker 2: cheer about in this game for the Mets, Like it
Speaker 2: was just like a pretty straightforward, boring game. I feel
Speaker 2: like the Queen's Crew was taken down a bit. I
Speaker 2: feel like the whole vibes of the place was very
Speaker 2: much like.
Speaker 3: Taken down a bit, like just less fewer of them.
Speaker 2: It just felt like there was less Queen's Crew action
Speaker 2: going on and a lot less of like the MC
Speaker 2: guy that's not Mike Janella being like.
Speaker 1: Stand up and cheer for your New York Mets.
Speaker 3: I think that makes sense when you like, of course
Speaker 3: it should five hundred and I'm sure that you're not
Speaker 3: going to hit your revenue expectations, so I'm sure you
Speaker 3: have to cut back on certain things, especially during a
Speaker 3: double heather. You're not going to make people work two
Speaker 3: ends of it, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean what was great is that that ten dollars
Speaker 2: thing on the tickets is awesome today. And they had
Speaker 2: the five dollars beer hot dog thing going on for
Speaker 2: the day game today, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 1: So maybe that's gonna be the rest of the year.
Speaker 1: I hope it is.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's just because the Tuesday was rained out so
Speaker 3: they honored the Tuesday promotion.
Speaker 1: Could be.
Speaker 2: But I got a two hot dogs, a corps light,
Speaker 2: and a bucket of pickles for one seventy seven today.
Speaker 1: That was phenomenal. I was the best part of the game.
Speaker 3: I wonder, who wait those pickles? Yeah, I wonder, But
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a nice afternoon. Again. That's what this
Speaker 3: Mets team is, a nice way to spend an afternoon
Speaker 3: or an evening if you just don't really give a
Speaker 3: shit about baseball, or or at a spot like most
Speaker 3: of us. But the baseball can no longer hurt you.
Speaker 3: But that was a good game. Like this, The Mets
Speaker 3: played well this whole series, like it was generally clean ball.
Speaker 3: Every single star they pitched well, the lineup still whatever,
Speaker 3: something neither here nor there. But there's moments. I mean,
Speaker 3: Monday was an explosion. Francisco Indoor raises ops sixty points
Speaker 3: in one game. He's a better than the league average
Speaker 3: bat now, Like, I can't believe it, right, crazy, I
Speaker 3: can't believe Francisco Indoor.
Speaker 2: It took him fifty games to get the ops again
Speaker 2: of ops plus of one hundred.
Speaker 1: Who saw that one coming. I've heard that this guy's watched.
Speaker 2: Surely he'll never play a good game of baseball again
Speaker 2: in his life.
Speaker 3: It'll be one twenty in like two weeks. But that
Speaker 3: was just a pure onslaught. Like again, it's a I
Speaker 3: think I mentioned it two or three podcasts ago, maybe
Speaker 3: last time he played the Braves. That, like the Martin
Speaker 3: Perez experience, is incredible. At this point in his career,
Speaker 3: it's just nothing just seeing what he can do. This
Speaker 3: feels like those late stage Bartolo Cologne starts, where like
Speaker 3: you're like, damn, yeah, I'm happy he's still doing it.
Speaker 3: There's not gonna be many other pictures like Martin Perez,
Speaker 3: I feel like for a while, but it was cool
Speaker 3: to see one that Mets hit get tons of hard
Speaker 3: hit balls against him. And then just when a reliever
Speaker 3: in Connor Thomas's now the major league regular come in,
Speaker 3: you can just completely eviscerate the dude. It was crazy
Speaker 3: that to me, the Braves left him out there for eighty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, poor Connor Thomas.
Speaker 2: Like, as a person, I feel no remorse for the
Speaker 2: Atlanta Braves or the fact that it happened to him
Speaker 2: on The Atlanta Braves also wear.
Speaker 3: A ports for him to see. I don't consider him
Speaker 3: Atlanta Brave. He's just he's never gonna pitch for them again. Probably.
Speaker 2: I mean, with all due respect to Connor Thomas, I've
Speaker 2: looked at his members, I have seen him pitch one time.
Speaker 2: I don't think that there's many more opportunities coming. He's
Speaker 2: pitched eleven and two thirds innings in his career at
Speaker 2: the major league level. These numbers are staggering, staggering. These
Speaker 2: have to be some of the worst in the history
Speaker 2: of the entire game. Eleven and two thirds. He's given
Speaker 2: up twenty seven hits, twenty seven earned runs. He's giving
Speaker 2: up seven home runs, He's walked eight guys, struck out nine.
Speaker 2: Don't know how that happens, But like, I mean, twenty
Speaker 2: seven earned runs and eleven and two thirds is unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Still, it's just the fact that his team let him
Speaker 3: just flown to for aidy pitches like that. Shit's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah whatever, I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it's still not getting any you know,
Speaker 2: sorriness for me. Guy gets to be a major leaguer.
Speaker 2: I think I'll take it.
Speaker 3: That's fair, but I have for a day back down.
Speaker 1: Matt Cielinger got a few grand Yeah that's his name, Matt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a shame too. But again, nice to
Speaker 3: the offense explode that one. You got Marcus Emion Homer
Speaker 3: before just oh for jumping Around're gonna ten minutes of
Speaker 3: games that we're gonna get some rumors for you guys.
Speaker 3: Marcus Emion took three of the worst at pats I've
Speaker 3: ever seen in my life against against Chris Sale. Well,
Speaker 3: I think the last one was finn taste.
Speaker 2: But this version of a sale Marcus Simon makes baseball
Speaker 2: look so difficult. And I know it is a hard sport,
Speaker 2: he makes it look really hard.
Speaker 3: I mean, this version of Marcus Smian is probably the
Speaker 3: version that we should have seen Marcus Simian forever. He's like,
Speaker 3: I don't he no longer cares about singles, He no
Speaker 3: longer cares about using the field he's like and again
Speaker 3: he's always been mostly like this, but I think now
Speaker 3: he's selling out more so I just have to catch
Speaker 3: that ball out in front. I'm hoping to hook that
Speaker 3: thing into left field.
Speaker 1: And it's not working.
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe he should go back to looking
Speaker 2: for singles. If this is the version that he thinks
Speaker 2: is optimal right now to six twenty oh ps and
Speaker 2: it is the worst defense at second base, I don't
Speaker 2: really see how you could ever convince yourself that that's
Speaker 2: a good game plan.
Speaker 3: No, I'm at a spot where I'm I'm incredibly tired
Speaker 3: of watching him play baseball. I have to see him
Speaker 3: full years. Yeah, we saw from Romison Cano He's not
Speaker 3: going to be in this roster for two full years.
Speaker 3: There's just no way that happens. But I'm just hoping
Speaker 3: we get to a spot where, again, like this, the
Speaker 3: rest of the season is experimentation and the possibility of
Speaker 3: soft tankingh So I want to talk about later on.
Speaker 3: So I would like to see Aju maybe get some
Speaker 3: reps they see what he has there. I'd like see
Speaker 3: Brett Baty gets some more reps there and Brett Baby continue.
Speaker 3: Even though I hate how it looks get reps in
Speaker 3: the outfield. Maybe when like when I is on the mounds,
Speaker 3: we don't have to ruin starts from any of the
Speaker 3: young guys like Leasuit Christian Scott. But it's just get
Speaker 3: Jered young Moore outfield reps again, like it's everything just
Speaker 3: for to Squallverers want to play second base if he's
Speaker 3: not traded, Like I don't really know, like this is
Speaker 3: the rest of the season. Devers just grabbed the glove.
Speaker 2: You see that he's playing a little second base during
Speaker 2: warm ups because they had all these injuries.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, why not right now?
Speaker 2: It's a shame for them. Casey Schmid went down, He's
Speaker 2: having a sick breakout season.
Speaker 3: But this is just that's kind of what this is,
Speaker 3: like the one saving grace for US Mets fans for
Speaker 3: the rest of the season. Again, our o rookies, we
Speaker 3: love our we love our young managing you and Carson Bench.
Speaker 3: But the pitchers, especially Zach Thorn again having another really
Speaker 3: nice start on Monday. I won't say that watching this start,
Speaker 3: I felt like in my heart it was a really
Speaker 3: nice start. The Braves were small during the ball every
Speaker 3: single time they put a bat on it, but again,
Speaker 3: working edges when you could finding cols decently locate sweeper
Speaker 3: some of the time, makes again more fastballs, trying to
Speaker 3: elevate them. Like it does, feel like he's just learning
Speaker 3: as a big leaguer. I don't want this stretch for
Speaker 3: Zach Thorton to super change the perspective on a guy
Speaker 3: who we hope develops into a back end starther. I
Speaker 3: see some people making their twenty twenty seven rosters. I
Speaker 3: think I said last episode and Zach Dorris slotted into
Speaker 3: two or three. No, that's not going to be the case.
Speaker 3: But Clay Holmes is actually back on this team for
Speaker 3: those two which is always funny to see. But it's
Speaker 3: nice to see Zach Thorton experiment, move things around and
Speaker 3: find success at this juncture of his career.
Speaker 2: I love how much he attacks batters. He's also going
Speaker 2: to have to learn how to throw some more balls,
Speaker 2: I think, just because the stuff isn't at that level
Speaker 2: where you can just be in the zone as consistently.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, if you're Jack Thornton, you're looking to
Speaker 2: cross the way and you're like, I hope i'd become
Speaker 2: Martin Perez for my career.
Speaker 3: Let's say Zack Thoron and Martin Perez should do a
Speaker 3: jersey swap after this game.
Speaker 4: They should.
Speaker 3: He needs to do a little bit that Martin Perez
Speaker 3: edge lord shit where he's like, and Zach Thorton does
Speaker 3: kind of need to find a sinker and he does
Speaker 3: kind of need to find the change up. Those are
Speaker 3: the pitches that need to be added to this repertoire.
Speaker 3: I think we've commed him to like bad case Dylan Dodd,
Speaker 3: good case Foster Griffin in the last few weeks. And
Speaker 3: then again that just comes with developing more pitches in
Speaker 3: this repertoire. Finding again more edges can keep calling and
Speaker 3: edge Lord, it's gonna make people cringe went and listen
Speaker 3: to this, but it's fun. It's just it's fun to
Speaker 3: watch a young pitcher kind of figure out their way
Speaker 3: as they get through it.
Speaker 2: And also just for everybody at home again, James myself
Speaker 2: saying any of this stuff about Zach Thornon, this is
Speaker 2: not like the defamatory stuff about him, Like this is
Speaker 2: just like when when we talk about these pitchers and
Speaker 2: these young players and what they need to do to
Speaker 2: the next level, it's not that they're not good right now.
Speaker 2: It's that if you want to continue on the path forward,
Speaker 2: which if you're not getting better as a major league player,
Speaker 2: especially from your rookie season, you become Chris Coglin. You're
Speaker 2: out of the league very very quickly. Like you don't
Speaker 2: want those kind of players. We want him to have
Speaker 2: a major league career.
Speaker 3: Chris Coughlin just catches stray.
Speaker 2: Chris Coughlin's like the one that one rookie of the
Speaker 2: year and then all of a sudden it was like
Speaker 2: bye bye Sea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Chris Coughlin put up how many career
Speaker 3: war one career war? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: And how much was it for his rookie year?
Speaker 3: One point one?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: There it is stuff. Chriscago played eight hundred games. That's
Speaker 3: shockingly love fighting Mark Vientos for a war battle right there?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I don't even watch that guy play
Speaker 3: baseball anymore. But again, lots more keep going on, a
Speaker 3: few more minutes. Lots of good things to pull from
Speaker 3: this series. How about Game two?
Speaker 1: Shaman I is like me, this fucker is gonna make
Speaker 1: me believe.
Speaker 3: Now I probably believe the Sheomana is a mid rotation guy. Again.
Speaker 3: I think a been on that train for like a month.
Speaker 3: I think we said it from that. I think was
Speaker 3: the Yankee game, one of the first ball appearances when
Speaker 3: we're like, oh, Shamana is actually throwing ninety one miles
Speaker 3: an hour. It's got like a three six era like
Speaker 3: that is.
Speaker 1: I think he got ninety three today again a bunch
Speaker 1: of times.
Speaker 3: And you saw it last start, you saw at this
Speaker 3: start again. You were at the game, so you didn't
Speaker 3: hear the guy's talking about it. But just the way
Speaker 3: he's so comfortable with his fastball. This is kind of
Speaker 3: how me and I pitched when he was at his
Speaker 3: best in twenty twenty four. Not saying we're any we're
Speaker 3: close to that, or we'll ever get close to that again,
Speaker 3: but it's this idea. It's old school pitching, where I
Speaker 3: am throwing you my fastball until you've proved to me
Speaker 3: you can actually hit my fastball, and then I'll adjust
Speaker 3: after that off of that. And that's what he did
Speaker 3: now two straight starts. He was good. He located that
Speaker 3: pitch really well, like the sweeper was nice, and like
Speaker 3: she's not scared to work both sides of plate. He's
Speaker 3: not scared to go high to hither. It's like, this
Speaker 3: was a good version of Seaan Ma and I and
Speaker 3: won that for twenty mil as your three four star.
Speaker 3: The next year for someone else's they want to give
Speaker 3: us something for him. It's all anything's in play now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, like that version of seanman Ia. It
Speaker 2: doesn't bother me, not in the slightest.
Speaker 3: No, nor should it. And justin enough to win offensively.
Speaker 3: It's you youwing a gorgeous sackfly Carson Bench, beautiful, go ahead,
Speaker 3: hy the tomahawk chop. It's it's nice.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you something from the stadium. I think
Speaker 2: Lindor is still playing a little bit hurt actually, because
Speaker 2: that Carson Bench doubled down the line.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. Lindor didn't score.
Speaker 2: And when I was watching him run, it looked like
Speaker 2: he wasn't running hard, which obviously we know he's not running.
Speaker 1: He's not not running hard. I think he's.
Speaker 2: Probably as far as he has to, yeah, being instructed
Speaker 2: on the effort level on the bass paths at certain times,
Speaker 2: because I just I was surprised they didn't score, and
Speaker 2: then one I started watching him run, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, like he's definitely not one hundred percent. And
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Speaker 3: There was also that play to his backhand I Fance
Speaker 3: was one of the early innings where he just didn't
Speaker 3: get to it. Yes, and part of that's being in
Speaker 3: his thirties. Part of that is possibly still the calf,
Speaker 3: and again we don't calf injuries are really weird, which
Speaker 3: is why it was nice they were comfortable with him
Speaker 3: and lost season. So same with Wan Sola right now. Weird.
Speaker 3: Those guys both have fucking calf injuries. It's just saying
Speaker 3: to think about, but it's awesome. He also has only
Speaker 3: attempted one stolen base since coming off the edge of
Speaker 3: list and we're over a month now since that's happened,
Speaker 3: so that's a pretty clear indication that he definitely has
Speaker 3: still has something nagging him.
Speaker 2: Other thing in this game to talk about positive wise, again,
Speaker 2: Carson Bench continues to just look fantastic at the plate.
Speaker 2: Love watching him hit, and Francisco Alvarez that line drive
Speaker 2: that he hit the left field, I mean, just absolutely
Speaker 2: pissed on it. I love when he's when he's hitting
Speaker 2: ninth I love watching him play.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, And for some reason, that's just it. And
Speaker 3: again I think by bull take coming out his deadlines
Speaker 3: that he might be the one that we're shocked is moved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was interesting to see, like, Ohapi moved.
Speaker 2: Alvarez is way better than him.
Speaker 3: Of course, these are play the same sport.
Speaker 2: They're only comparable by the fact that they're both right
Speaker 2: handed hitting catchers who are horrendous Defensively. Alvarez better than
Speaker 2: No Happy well yeah, I mean me or you is
Speaker 2: better than No Happy right now behind the plate. But like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think the I think someone put out an article
Speaker 2: too today about how the catching market is going to
Speaker 2: be the most active of all positions. It seems like
Speaker 2: because every contender needs them and that just never happens either,
Speaker 2: which is kind of crazy. But again, it's that's why
Speaker 2: I do. I think that an offer might come to
Speaker 2: the Mets desk, that it might just be too juicy
Speaker 2: for Alvas. I don't want to see him trade it
Speaker 2: unless we get something crazy. But this is again This
Speaker 2: is a player right now who can fake it at
Speaker 2: catcher half the time and is pacing for nearly an
Speaker 2: eight hundred ops. Yeah, and there's still one of the
Speaker 2: youngest starters at that position in the entire league. He
Speaker 2: probably has some of the most that bats ever for
Speaker 2: that age in Major League Baseball history playing that position.
Speaker 3: He does all rea up my stat of account. Try
Speaker 3: to find that maybe within the next week for you guys.
Speaker 3: But again, just the only bad to take away from
Speaker 3: this game specifically. Also, the bullpen look great again. I'm
Speaker 3: also starting to totally resell myself on Wasascar Brosibon as
Speaker 3: a trade chip just because he's like thirty six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, I know, he's got options and
Speaker 2: he's free literally until he stops playing baseball in his forties,
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, probably if you get anything of value
Speaker 2: for him, you probably move him.
Speaker 3: Probably, That's the point. And also just the overwhelming sadness
Speaker 3: of watching Horiy Planco trying to hit.
Speaker 1: Well, That's what I was gonna bring up.
Speaker 2: He plays, Marcus Simian makes baseball look hard, Hori Polanco
Speaker 2: makes it look like he hasn't played baseball in decades.
Speaker 3: Market uh Hojrae Polonco. Looks like if Jed Lowry was
Speaker 3: trying to play through all of his injuries instead of
Speaker 3: getting surgeries for Latino, Jed Lowry kind of but like
Speaker 3: at least he's him, He's on the field again. We
Speaker 3: don't know the nature, the really specific nature and the
Speaker 3: pain level of each of their injuries, but.
Speaker 1: Would be better off without him on the field right now.
Speaker 3: I mean Andy Green talked about after the games, I
Speaker 3: think pretty interesting comments both of these games. After the game,
Speaker 3: but he mentioned like like, hey, we know how tough
Speaker 3: seasons is for Jorge, like really have to get him going.
Speaker 3: We know he's won swing away and I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: I don't think he's one swing away. He also he
Speaker 3: did have some fantastic foul balls if you have that
Speaker 3: fouls games, and he also was it just doesn't feel
Speaker 3: like he's in the with the game speed at all.
Speaker 3: This kind of feels like sometimes when a young player
Speaker 3: gets called up before they're ready, where it just feels
Speaker 3: like he's down in the count before the count's even begun.
Speaker 2: It was the Brett Baty watch last year where it
Speaker 2: was like, dude, it's oh two again, how is this happening.
Speaker 3: With three ball accounts for Brett Baity. He at least
Speaker 3: also hit the ball hard in this game.
Speaker 1: You smoked it. That was a that was good to see.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Horry Polanco, thank god that this season doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: because we would we would have crazy conversations right now
Speaker 2: about if the Mets were like competing for a playoff
Speaker 2: spot when like Horiy Polanco and Marcus Simy and combined
Speaker 2: don't even have like a particularly good ops.
Speaker 3: I was. I was deep in the trade machine today,
Speaker 3: trying to figure out like some kind of some kind
Speaker 3: of three team just monster with the Mets the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 3: I was trying to find a third team when the
Speaker 3: Mets take Cormyn Burns money, they sent like Sean and
Speaker 3: I and Horriy Polanco out somehow, Like I was, I
Speaker 3: was trying to work it as.
Speaker 1: That we're getting the best player in this trade.
Speaker 3: Well I meant the best player just had a what's
Speaker 3: it called a complication off photomy John surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting the best player in the street.
Speaker 3: We said we're gonna we're gonna find a way to
Speaker 3: trade something else to I told you I didn't get
Speaker 3: to finish this trade, this one. That one did not
Speaker 3: get complete. I did a lot of other crazy ones
Speaker 3: in a video on my channel for later. But also
Speaker 3: like that we kind of leaned on a young pitcher
Speaker 3: who was making his first start of the season. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like I felt like besides Harry Polanco, the bats were
Speaker 3: strong in general. There were long counts, there were multiple walks, like,
Speaker 3: there's been some.
Speaker 2: Good plays like to get out of jams too. So
Speaker 2: it was if you know who also drove me insane? Bobache'
Speaker 2: drive me nuts again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 2: He takes Bobachet like has been playing better. We know
Speaker 2: that he's been hitting better. The extra base hits have
Speaker 2: completely gone away again, they are non existent. He takes
Speaker 2: some of the worst quality at bats consistently that I've
Speaker 2: ever seen from major League baseball player.
Speaker 3: Oh we're the six fifty oh ps over his last
Speaker 3: thirty games again, Yeah, like he's totally back to being
Speaker 3: like low teb slappy. He Also there was one of
Speaker 3: those played appearances, I think it was before Ben got
Speaker 3: the hit, where Bo came up first, Yes, and he
Speaker 3: swung at a pitch that was on his hands that
Speaker 3: was never even close to being a strike, And I
Speaker 3: was just like, fine, now from my.
Speaker 2: Seats down the third baseline, I would come on, man.
Speaker 2: I also had him for one plus RBI today, came
Speaker 2: on with runners in scoring position.
Speaker 1: Every fucking that bad and he couldn't do anything.
Speaker 3: I mean, in terms of expected goals expected RBIs bo
Speaker 3: might hit the one twenty mark, he.
Speaker 1: Might hit one sixty. And this team is stunk.
Speaker 3: Every single time, but closed it out few more moments
Speaker 3: out doan some trade talks. I think Chris Sale needs
Speaker 3: even more respect than here that he gets, Like if
Speaker 3: Jacob Zarowski didn't exist this season, we talk about Chris
Speaker 3: Sales one of the most unlikely dominant seasons that a
Speaker 3: thirty seven year old ever has had. This is like
Speaker 3: he's doing Randy Johnson late thirties.
Speaker 2: Shooing Randy Johnson, Roger Clemons stuff where it's just like
Speaker 2: Kershaw didn't I don't even feel like do this stuff
Speaker 2: because he didn't have the innings. He was getting hurt
Speaker 2: all the time down the stretch.
Speaker 3: Kershaw's retired. I think he's thirty eight.
Speaker 1: He's only thirty eight.
Speaker 3: Everyone says that Kershaw was not as old as you
Speaker 3: came up at twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he played against the Mets in that playoffs. But yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: Chris Sales is unbelievable. I think I said in the
Speaker 2: Kershaw's thirty eight right now, that's crazy. He was thirty
Speaker 2: seven when last season ended, so Himsale are only a
Speaker 2: few months apart. Kershaw's birthday is March nineteenth, eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Chris Sale was born on Here comes March thirtyeth eighty nine. Wow,
Speaker 2: what's it about March?
Speaker 3: What's it about Marching?
Speaker 1: Good pictures?
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, Chris Sales unbelievable. He's just fantastic. He's
Speaker 2: seemingly getting better somehow, which throwing harder. I don't really
Speaker 2: know if that's possible at his age. I think I
Speaker 2: said in the updated season predictions over on the Wine
Speaker 2: where I was like, you got to keep an eye
Speaker 2: on the Miserowski innings because I think Sale is going
Speaker 2: to pass them based on how it seems like they
Speaker 2: want a baby Miz. If Miz gets like a couple
Speaker 2: runs here and there every time he goes four innings,
Speaker 2: Sale is gonna win. The cy Young Sales are two
Speaker 2: point oh er.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like close already.
Speaker 3: So I want to give you Chris Sales fastball velosities
Speaker 3: going back to twenty sixteen. So since he's been last
Speaker 3: ten years, twenty seven years old, feels insane ninety three, eight,
Speaker 3: ninety four, nine, ninety five, four, ninety three, five, ninety three,
Speaker 3: nine ninety four, nine, ninety four, one, ninety four, nine
Speaker 3: ninety four nine this year ninety six one steroids. He's
Speaker 3: throwing harder than he's thrown since his rookie season right now,
Speaker 3: that's crazy, It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He's getting better.
Speaker 3: He's just so good Island.
Speaker 1: What do the Braves fucking do?
Speaker 3: It's devil magic Jeremy after credit to Jeremy after you think.
Speaker 1: They took a kuon new his acl put it in
Speaker 1: his elbow.
Speaker 3: I hope so it's sick, but fuck that. No more Braves,
Speaker 3: uh Braves credit. Christian Scott Sish innings first time all season.
Speaker 3: This was similar to Manaya. He was like, do you
Speaker 3: see my fastball? You can't hit it?
Speaker 1: Hit yeah, try and hit it.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 3: I love the way Christian Scott pitches. He's so good.
Speaker 2: Talk about you want to talk about next year's rotation.
Speaker 2: The first two names should always and will be Nolan
Speaker 2: McLain Christian Scott. That's how it goes in that order.
Speaker 3: Or Nolan McLain free agent acquisition, Christian Scott Terror School.
Speaker 3: Well it could go Terrork School, Nol McLain, Christian Scott
Speaker 3: never gonna be take care Todio Schools last start today
Speaker 3: in Detroit. That made me sad.
Speaker 2: That was like a super super depressing moment, Like to
Speaker 2: see him might come off the mountain.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, he gone, I tweeted.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not even a Tiger's fan. I
Speaker 3: have a pit in my stomach watching this. The Pitching
Speaker 3: Ninja retweeted me, let's but yeah, pitching is the man.
Speaker 3: It was just Andthreen talked about after the game too.
Speaker 3: It's like the Christian Scout knows he belongs on this mound,
Speaker 3: that he could be one of the best pitchers, like
Speaker 3: in the show. And when he came out and he
Speaker 3: was ripping. He threw a fastball almost every single pitch
Speaker 3: in the first three sick and I was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: first pitch, like it was it never stopped. Seventy percent
Speaker 3: strike rate on the game also is obscene against the
Speaker 3: lionup that had six lefties and only three rithies, and
Speaker 3: that came with him finding a lot of spots as
Speaker 3: he got deeper into this game, and really tough fifth
Speaker 3: and sixth innings to drop necessary curve balls. There was
Speaker 3: even four splitthers in there for the first time in
Speaker 3: a while. Like it was like, oh, he even gets
Speaker 3: swing and missed any of those pitches, but he landed
Speaker 3: them for strikes. He got some weird swings on them.
Speaker 3: It was like, this is he's kind of growing a
Speaker 3: lot right in front of our eyes, and this is
Speaker 3: one of the best to look for any silver linings
Speaker 3: this season. This is probably the biggest one besides a
Speaker 3: j ewing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the.
Speaker 2: Young players, that's really just what it is. Chris Scott
Speaker 2: technically still a rookie. Big year for Mets rookies.
Speaker 4: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be all time war for Mets rookies
Speaker 2: and we might not get a PPI out of any
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 3: Jji weatherholds ops is down in like seven to twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Okay, are we going to give the Rookie of the
Speaker 2: Year for second base defense?
Speaker 3: If they do?
Speaker 2: If they do, Riot, I'm picking so many fights with
Speaker 2: the Central Divisions on Twitter over the last few days.
Speaker 3: It was weather Hall, it was weather halt last week. Now,
Speaker 3: I guess as there was nothing else in this game, right,
Speaker 3: we transitioned to trade deadline talk. We're gonna talk trade
Speaker 3: deadline now. Just heaps of heaps of praise on Christian
Speaker 3: Scott and again have to mention that Louise Robert Junior
Speaker 3: had a looking strike against position player looking strikeouts and
Speaker 3: then he hit and he hit there in the second
Speaker 3: game on Wednesday. But trade deadline stuff. We are on
Speaker 3: scout watch right now in Mets world time. We had
Speaker 3: scouts at Clay Holmes Saint Lucy's start. We had Mets
Speaker 3: scouts at the Cubs double a game. We had a
Speaker 3: crew of scouts at our game tonight in Queens, Like
Speaker 3: it's one scouts everywhere.
Speaker 2: No, everyone's watching who these Mets pitchers are, because that's
Speaker 2: that's truthfully, what's gonna be the most exciting to get
Speaker 2: moved Like Luis Robert, Tyrone Taylor. They're not gonna be
Speaker 2: on the team, but what we get back from them
Speaker 2: is going to be very much like lottery ticket type feel,
Speaker 2: where it's like hopefully a tool that you like and
Speaker 2: that you think you can develop into guys. But Fred Peralta,
Speaker 2: Clay Holmes even in some combination of mintor Raley Brasobon
Speaker 2: and then of course if Weaver gets moved, that's the
Speaker 2: big one. That's where we're gonna get some guys back.
Speaker 2: And there are some fun names that we can throw around.
Speaker 2: And I think there's been a lot of chat. There's
Speaker 2: specifically about Peralta's trade value. It's been a very constant
Speaker 2: topic on this show for yeah, two months now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for a very long time. We've been been really
Speaker 3: waiting for the set off. But Will sam And put
Speaker 3: out a piece on the Athletic as we started recording
Speaker 3: this eleven thirty on Wednesday night, and I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: read you it's a gift article's phrase. I don't feel
Speaker 3: bad sorry, Will exchanging on an Athletic article on the show.
Speaker 3: Once Freday praught to leaves them as via trade at
Speaker 3: some point before the August they're a deadline, but better
Speaker 3: results follow, accord to three executive searching for rotation help
Speaker 3: who are granted anonymity in exchange for their candor yes,
Speaker 3: for a bunch of teams. He's starting a playoff game,
Speaker 3: a different one added. Regardless of the results, he's still
Speaker 3: going to be one of the top three or four
Speaker 3: stars available. I think that's something that is divisive right
Speaker 3: now in the Mets world, in the baseball world, because
Speaker 3: we've seen this guy pitch like other dog shit for
Speaker 3: every single Star of the month. He's over and over again,
Speaker 3: non stop in our faces. But I do think that
Speaker 3: teams are going to value him still pretty highly deadline.
Speaker 3: I think we're getting a lot of the buzz about
Speaker 3: Clay Holmes being valued pretty highly deadline. With the Padres
Speaker 3: winning baseball games, Luke Weaver might be the best reliever
Speaker 3: at the deadline right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is crazy to think about Padres one and
Speaker 2: what five straight now, so they're back above five hundred
Speaker 2: and making everyone think that they're going to be a
Speaker 2: playoff team.
Speaker 3: Have you seen what the Padres are doing? I have not.
Speaker 3: They are running like playoff starts. Whoa like if someone
Speaker 3: gets in trouble in the fourth inning, like Hermat Marquez
Speaker 3: is now throwing fifty pitches, he's gassing up in ninety
Speaker 3: six and he's added there. Well, this is not going
Speaker 3: to last. Well, I mean, if it lasts this week,
Speaker 3: I do not care. It's totally fine, just as long
Speaker 3: as they don't sell those relievers. It's perfect. I still
Speaker 3: think they sell mar home just because it's it's a rental.
Speaker 3: But I want to say they stretched out Canning today
Speaker 3: because they played the Rockies, so they could do that.
Speaker 3: But they're just going, They're just going nonsense. Oh no,
Speaker 3: this is wise because Kyle Hart got two and two
Speaker 3: thirds and Cannon got three.
Speaker 1: There we go, so he did even stretch them out.
Speaker 3: They're just putting guys together, piggybacking and then letting the
Speaker 3: monster bullpen just and they just got jeremiahs Drada back
Speaker 3: just go ape every single day.
Speaker 2: You love the idea of aj Prelller being like, right now,
Speaker 2: this is my playoffs. I have to get this team
Speaker 2: back in a spot so I don't have to trade
Speaker 2: off my guys.
Speaker 3: And the Tygers did this two years ago and it
Speaker 3: worked for three straight months, two straight months, Like could
Speaker 3: get away through the playoffs as long as you have
Speaker 3: a few horses. And I guess for them, Michael King
Speaker 3: is just going to be a horse, even though he's
Speaker 3: not pitching his best. And then Musgrove and Paveda are
Speaker 3: throwing again, Like it's.
Speaker 1: When Joe Musgrove pitches again, I'll believe it.
Speaker 3: Is trying to throw the needle right now, and like,
Speaker 3: by god, I think I think he might be able
Speaker 3: to pull it off.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see how much he's smirking.
Speaker 3: But again, again, the Mets are weirdly and oddly in
Speaker 3: the Cappard see this deadline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like terror School is definitely getting moved, so he's
Speaker 2: the clear best player that's gonna be traded the Dine
Speaker 2: It's not even close. Outside of that, the Mets do
Speaker 2: kind of have the most interesting pieces to go for
Speaker 2: out next that I realistically on the move.
Speaker 3: Especially now. The Marlins just swept the Phillies, so I
Speaker 3: think Sandy's again staying put that team. Talk about fun ball,
Speaker 3: talk about like the weirdest group of baseball ever.
Speaker 2: Also talk about the Phillies shitting down their leg also
Speaker 2: shout out Bryce Harper bringing the negative vibes again. Started
Speaker 2: talking shit on the Mets, which is super funny because
Speaker 2: he's never beaten the Mets in a playoff series, which
Speaker 2: I thought was really funny. So also never won anything.
Speaker 2: He's never won anything, so there's no reason for him
Speaker 2: to talk. Mookie Bets could talk all the shit he wants.
Speaker 2: Bryce Harper, that's really funny. You showed up really big
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. But then he talked about it,
Speaker 2: like called out the front office about like needing players,
Speaker 2: and then Don Mattingly called him out and said that
Speaker 2: Bryce like thinks he knows to run a team.
Speaker 3: He's not the GM. Also, dom anicgly Son is the
Speaker 3: assistant GM.
Speaker 2: No, this is like, if this shit happened and it
Speaker 2: said the New York Mets, this would be like the
Speaker 2: biggest news ever. It's such fucking bullshit that these other
Speaker 2: orgs do all this dumb, dumb, dumb comment and nonsense
Speaker 2: and it just gets glazed over.
Speaker 1: I hate that shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's kind of nature to be sometimes,
Speaker 3: it's kind of it's just how it rolls. But with
Speaker 3: the models not selling, if the padres don't sell.
Speaker 2: Although Atto Lopez has been apparently they're listening to offers
Speaker 2: on on Auto.
Speaker 3: I mean, this can you can get He's just Lopez, Like,
Speaker 3: there's nothing, there's no portrayed package like this in the
Speaker 3: world where you can get out of Lopez. Ronnie Mauricio,
Speaker 3: Ranie Mauricio, you get RIDI Riso I never happen. Maybe
Speaker 3: recent ten years can be out of Lopez if it
Speaker 3: gets DFA two separate times. But it's really kind of
Speaker 3: just the Blue Jays and the Mets right now, where
Speaker 3: can like put their feet down and be like, we
Speaker 3: are sellers and we actually have things to sell.
Speaker 1: Yes, that you would have any sort of interest in.
Speaker 2: And then soft angels if they get rid of their
Speaker 2: guys with non expiring contracts.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying it's a very different that's a very
Speaker 3: different type of negotiation to get players on team control
Speaker 3: on rookie deals versus the Mets are giving rentals.
Speaker 1: No, it's a great point.
Speaker 3: Giants too. Giants are hard sellers, Like they don't have
Speaker 3: that much shit to sell. Like, I don't think even
Speaker 3: if logan web becomes available, who someone's forking over fifty
Speaker 3: mili Robbie Ray is worse than Fredi Pralta. He's worse
Speaker 3: than Clay Holmes. They don't have any if they had
Speaker 3: a reliever, they keep him for themselves. Okay, they definitely
Speaker 3: don't have any reliever sets for sure, Miller. That's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying again, it's like the Blue Jays have Gosman
Speaker 3: Yimmi Hoffman Hoffman again expensive even he's probably he's as
Speaker 3: expensive as Luke Weaver and probably a little bit worse.
Speaker 1: It's a little what's going on with Tyler Rodgers. Wherever
Speaker 1: he goes, team just goes to shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, but he all he does is pitch great.
Speaker 2: It's totally not his fault at all.
Speaker 3: So this is going to be the Mets playing chicken
Speaker 3: with the league for the next seventy two hours, and
Speaker 3: the League is also going to play chicken with the
Speaker 3: Mets as much.
Speaker 2: It is going to be get ready for this game.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a real thread the needle moment for
Speaker 2: David Stearns. Listen, let's see what boy genius really can
Speaker 2: do here.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be funny for us specifically because we're just
Speaker 3: both making a lot of content lately. As much. It's
Speaker 3: the end of the month and it's an awkward trade
Speaker 3: deadline on a Monday, so we're done with a huge
Speaker 3: rush by Friday. But all these trades are gonna start
Speaker 3: to happen on Sunday. Oh, it's gonna be infuriating. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna want to be in the sun and enjoy
Speaker 3: my day and be like, damn it. Now we've gotta
Speaker 3: react to stuff.
Speaker 1: This weekend. I've like already told my girlfriend.
Speaker 2: I was like, it's gonna be a lot of like recording,
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna be pretty locked into this room because
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a million trades that come in.
Speaker 3: It's it's gonna be funny that the baseball's biggest day
Speaker 3: of transaction is going to be on a weekend, which
Speaker 3: feels like terrible planning, but that's just when the deadline
Speaker 3: happens to fall. Begause, even the Nationals are winning some games,
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're hard selling anymore.
Speaker 1: Is there a hard rule of how many days into
Speaker 1: the season the deadline needs to be, because I feel
Speaker 1: like we didn't have to decide for it to be
Speaker 1: a Monday.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I mean it might be, honestly, I truthfully,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it gets The Reds are another
Speaker 3: team that they are going to sell, but our pieces
Speaker 3: are beat than their pieces. So it's just gonna be
Speaker 3: wind up what this is, and it's gonna it's fascinating
Speaker 3: to think about what's going to happen. The only firm
Speaker 3: rumor that we have anything about what the Mets are
Speaker 3: seeking in return for any of these guys is that
Speaker 3: they were at the Cubs Double A game earlier this week.
Speaker 3: That was reported by Pat Ragazzo. Sounds like Jefferson Rojas, then,
Speaker 3: I mean that's I put that on Twitter in the Cubs.
Speaker 3: Cubs people were yelling at me, so I bookmarked a
Speaker 3: lot of tweets to see what if we get Jefferson
Speaker 3: Rojas next week.
Speaker 1: Feels like it's gonna be Jefferson Rosas.
Speaker 2: He's like, what a top seventy five prospect really at
Speaker 2: best right now? Just because the power is not really
Speaker 2: like projectable.
Speaker 3: He's flipped into the top fifty on some list because
Speaker 3: he actually is having a really good season at the
Speaker 3: plate and he's still playing short but he's probably not
Speaker 3: a short stops. That definitely knocks down his value.
Speaker 2: But a twenty one year old who's forty man clock
Speaker 2: is up at the end of the season, what's up?
Speaker 2: You see who's playing in Double A for the Cubs
Speaker 2: right now? Former New York Mets top prospect Alex Ramirez.
Speaker 3: Is that the same guy? That's the same one I
Speaker 3: clicked on his notes, So that's not Angels, it's the
Speaker 3: Angels one.
Speaker 1: I've clicked on him. I'm looking at him.
Speaker 3: I'm on him right now. It's the Angels Alex from
Speaker 3: you're looking at the wrong one. The two? Are they
Speaker 3: both on this team?
Speaker 1: Is there two? Alex Ramirez is on this team.
Speaker 3: No, I'm going on right now because this was twenty
Speaker 3: four years old. Our Alex Meraz is not twenty four yet.
Speaker 1: I'm the one that I've clicked on. Yeah, he's twenty three.
Speaker 2: I'm on Baseball Reference looking at this, I'm on fangrass.
Speaker 3: Oh, fangraps is totally wrong. No Baseball Reference is wrong.
Speaker 3: This fan grafs is totally wrong. Fangraster's Baseball Reference for
Speaker 3: everyone picked your side Fangrass Baseball Reference, Daughther. It's literally
Speaker 3: I'm showing on the sidebar it has this guy's team Angels, Angels, Angels, Angels.
Speaker 2: Cubs, Alex Ramirez, Cubs. I'm clicking him right now, dude,
Speaker 2: this is the Mets guy. You you clicked the wrong
Speaker 2: You clicked the wrong name.
Speaker 3: I'm on the Cubs double a team on fangrass roster resource,
Speaker 3: I double clicked Alex Ramirez's name and it's right here.
Speaker 3: It's Alex. You mre what's the birthday? The birthday? On fangrafs,
Speaker 3: that tells me January thirteenth, two thousand and three. Mine says,
Speaker 3: August twenty nine, two thousand and two. Who are you
Speaker 3: looking at? I wish I could share my screen right
Speaker 3: now because Chicago Cubs double A Alex Alexander Ramirez.
Speaker 2: This one's out. They have two Alex Ramirez in double A.
Speaker 2: I can't be that can't be right. This is so
Speaker 2: not important, but we are going to get to the
Speaker 2: bottom of this. I will not stop.
Speaker 3: I'm now going to go to seeing Alex madera.
Speaker 2: I'm going to now go to the roster resource Cubs
Speaker 2: double A, scroll down and find Alexander Ramirez and click
Speaker 2: his name.
Speaker 3: Free agent LA says it on roster Resource Angels, where
Speaker 3: is this that scroll?
Speaker 1: Okay, that's triple A double A. Yeah, they put the
Speaker 1: wrong guy.
Speaker 3: Do you think they have the wrong guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's also an Alex ramiir when you search
Speaker 2: Alex Ramrez on the search there's an Alex Ramirez that's
Speaker 2: the Mets one, and then Baseball Reference has the Mets
Speaker 2: one and not the Angels guy.
Speaker 3: So for this one, this one, this one's on the
Speaker 3: padres the live Alexei Meraz flowing around. I can't find
Speaker 3: the Mets one anywhere.
Speaker 1: I just, e, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: If I search Alexeimiraz and we're getting too many minutes
Speaker 3: to talk about the last.
Speaker 2: Search Alex Ramirez. And on Minor League's International College. Over
Speaker 2: to the right, it'll have ALEXIMRASHC one thirteen, two thousand
Speaker 2: and three.
Speaker 3: Oh yay, that one says Cubs, Yeah, and that one's Mets.
Speaker 3: That's so funny. Wait, he's actually not playing that bad
Speaker 3: double getting back bring them back back together, Alex Ramirez,
Speaker 3: the original comeback tour. But I digress.
Speaker 1: Again, back to guys that they could be looking at.
Speaker 3: In a it's likely Jefferson Rojas as just again, it's
Speaker 3: a lot of times top hundred of prospects don't get
Speaker 3: traded at the deadline, and that's I think going to
Speaker 3: frustrate lots of Met fans that we're gonna do this
Speaker 3: big sell off and it's not gonna be an obvious
Speaker 3: top hundred guy that comes back. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: it's lots of guys who've just played better but haven't
Speaker 3: gotten famous yet, and they're gonna be top hundred guys
Speaker 3: next year. And Rojas is kind of the opposite of that,
Speaker 3: where he's kind of trying to get the rights directions.
Speaker 3: He feels like a big give. But he's not that
Speaker 3: different from guys like cal Steven Edward, the tay Makeable
Speaker 3: last year who went at the trade deadline.
Speaker 1: And I will tell you, guys looking at this Cub's
Speaker 1: double A roster, they're only looking at Jefferson in rohas.
Speaker 3: There's nobody else that they're looking at it on this roster.
Speaker 3: I thought brooks Caple had some nice stuff as well,
Speaker 3: he flashed to me, and I think there was one
Speaker 3: more that feels like a very like in for play
Speaker 3: rather than ceiling if you're going for a.
Speaker 2: Brooks Caple, definitely, But I also think Capble for one
Speaker 2: of the relievers to me makes a lot of sense. Okay,
Speaker 2: yeah sure, as someone who like profiles as a back
Speaker 2: end starter with the Cups has developed really well as
Speaker 2: like a later pick out of a smaller.
Speaker 3: Thing, those would be the two.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, I feel like there's one more up the
Speaker 2: middle guy. So it wasn't Ed Howard. Ed Howard's that's.
Speaker 3: During it up.
Speaker 2: Sadly, it's like an old double A team, like a
Speaker 2: lot of twenty seven year olds on it.
Speaker 3: But again it seems like that is a is a
Speaker 3: relative match for what the Mets are going to give,
Speaker 3: which is Freddie Perlter, who again we're saying, still has
Speaker 3: tons of value paired with the reliever that's not Luke
Speaker 3: Weaver or Clay Holmes, who is a sturdy, stable starting pitcher.
Speaker 3: Probably doesn't have the same ceiling as Freddie Peralta, which
Speaker 3: is kind of funny to say, I loud right now.
Speaker 3: But then with maybe Luke Weaver something, and it's just
Speaker 3: to get you one guy who think can be starting
Speaker 3: third base. He's kind of just like another pagro A Mirrors,
Speaker 3: not that dissimilar.
Speaker 1: Uh, he's a better fielder Jefferson Rojas. Probably he's gonna
Speaker 1: play shortstop. Pager Mirrors can't play short I think.
Speaker 3: They think that jeff jefferon Rows already doesn't always play
Speaker 3: shortstop in double as usually that means.
Speaker 2: Like second base is the other option third. Really they've
Speaker 2: been going third with him. Yeah, I think it was
Speaker 2: his kind of whole thing was that he's a glob
Speaker 2: first guy. Because I tend to just go I see
Speaker 2: that as a prospect to say not interested, that's he's
Speaker 2: biased he's a bad rist guy for sure.
Speaker 1: He hasn't hit like the last two years. He in
Speaker 1: the one year when like his.
Speaker 3: First pop off year, I feel like in America this
Speaker 3: year he's played fifty games at the third in twenty six
Speaker 3: games is short, okay. And he's also I mean, last
Speaker 3: year at high A one fifty WRC plus as twenty
Speaker 3: year old, this year at double A ninety games, one
Speaker 3: thirteen WRC plus. That's a year younger than the average
Speaker 3: age at the level. All right, yeah, good back to ball,
Speaker 3: growing power, can steal a base like he just feels
Speaker 3: like a very classic back of the top one hundred prospect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not sexy, but sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We also have some advanced data on Jefferson Rowe
Speaker 3: from down there. It's a twenty four point seven with
Speaker 3: rate that's better than average. It's a fourteen percent in
Speaker 3: zone with rate, which is also much better than average.
Speaker 3: Only a thirty one percent chase rate, again better than average.
Speaker 3: Fifty percent swing which is someone who likes to swing.
Speaker 3: Where one hundred and ten mile and now max ex
Speaker 3: Offlosi will take that from twenty one year old average
Speaker 3: one hundred four mile an hour ninetieth and I'm just
Speaker 3: under forty percent heart hit rate. But he's a guy
Speaker 3: who is eager. He likes to swing, get after the ball,
Speaker 3: and can identify pitches in the herd the zone. He
Speaker 3: seems like I was just he's got good contact, good power,
Speaker 3: neither a grape but neither a bad so it gives
Speaker 3: you a soft landing spot in the BIGS.
Speaker 2: I do wish that we had more rumors than the
Speaker 2: ones that we can just connect the dots to.
Speaker 3: We've got tye front office these days, dude, I know
Speaker 3: it's a sense.
Speaker 1: Well, don't ask Bob Night and Gale.
Speaker 2: Bob Knight and Gale seems to know everything that's going
Speaker 2: on in the Mets front office, including saying that the
Speaker 2: Mets can't wait to get off of Francis scool Indoor
Speaker 2: in the off season.
Speaker 3: I wonder who's talking to.
Speaker 2: Him, Despite nobody who's actually connected to the Mets at
Speaker 2: all or franciscool Indoor ever having these comments.
Speaker 3: It has to be someone who's been the front office
Speaker 3: for just so long. It's not super connected with the
Speaker 3: current regime, but it's just still there as like a
Speaker 3: favorite to Steve or Christi herself.
Speaker 2: If only we didn't take our Alex Ramirez minutes we
Speaker 2: could have figured out probably who that guy is.
Speaker 3: I really think that it's going to wind up being
Speaker 3: Jefferson Rojas and another prospect to the Cubs for the
Speaker 3: combination of Clay Holmes and Luke Weaver.
Speaker 7: I like that.
Speaker 3: I'm going and I still love Freddie Process of the
Speaker 3: Rays and the rest of the guys. The chips fall
Speaker 3: where they may.
Speaker 2: Jorge Castello on ESPN wrote about how he feels like
Speaker 2: the Mets could be trying to be aggressive to and
Speaker 2: look for a guy who could be a starter for
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven and beyond, kind of like the Marcus
Speaker 2: Stroman trade all those years ago, where you picked him
Speaker 2: up in a down year, but you had them then
Speaker 2: under control, linked them to maybe go get Red Depmers.
Speaker 2: Just because of Searn's comments the other day about how
Speaker 2: an area we're gonna have to look to supplement as
Speaker 2: we head into twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be the starting rotation.
Speaker 2: So yeah, also keep an eye out that even though
Speaker 2: the Mets are sellers, there's an opportunity to maybe be
Speaker 2: a buyer for future years. Yeah, I think I think
Speaker 2: that's a great idea. Maybe Mike Corbyn Burn's idea trickles
Speaker 2: over there as well.
Speaker 3: That's great, it's not gonna go please please, But I
Speaker 3: loved I would love for the Mets to make a
Speaker 3: move for Detmers. I'm not sure what that would take, truthfully,
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, like, where's like the Mets best chip.
Speaker 3: I think that's tradeable on the roster. It's Alvarez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know if the angel I think
Speaker 2: the Angels might want. They probably are just gonna want
Speaker 2: some pictures children, Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean pictures like could you like I would trade hmm?
Speaker 1: Are you would you do tongue?
Speaker 3: I was thinking about Tom. That's not that's not enough.
Speaker 3: You probably get more at this point. You probably have
Speaker 3: to tongue.
Speaker 2: And honestly, you probably like throw Clifford in there and
Speaker 2: they probably like be like, all right, one more guy now.
Speaker 3: I don't think they even want Cliffers. I think they
Speaker 3: love Shanuel, who is just they shouldn't he's eating on
Speaker 3: WRC plus Sasons Alive. Yeah whatever. I like Shanuel for that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love a first baseman that can't hit
Speaker 1: for any power.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like we also have a big week of promotions, which
Speaker 3: I think is a nice thing for the Mets prospects
Speaker 3: right now. Mitchvoyd to double A smoked the double in
Speaker 3: his first Playppeer. I think that's a very big deal.
Speaker 3: We also had some recent draftees make their debuts for
Speaker 3: low A. I want to say it was the guy's
Speaker 3: lostning Robins A Robbins, he hit the doublin his first
Speaker 3: game with low egxs of losses but hit a double
Speaker 3: and the Joe DeMeo tweeted about some others. I want
Speaker 3: to just mention them all right now. Antonio Jimenez, who
Speaker 3: was the second round pick last year, he got up
Speaker 3: to hi A Brooklyn Foy. It's the big one though,
Speaker 3: because Voight has not a great season statistically. We struggled
Speaker 3: an injury at the beginning of it, and then a
Speaker 3: lot of his metrics popped in the six weeks since
Speaker 3: that happened. So and him be getting good short. He's
Speaker 3: been playing good short. I think the team thinks he's
Speaker 3: a capable shortstop and it looks like he can't hit.
Speaker 3: They've made the big swing change with him fucking with
Speaker 3: his light kick. The Mets have converyed lots of first
Speaker 3: round picks lately, so I'm gonna believe in Mitch Void
Speaker 3: till I don't. Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: That's kind of all we got.
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, it was, I mean, definitely a
Speaker 3: bit of a softer episode. I got all the promotions
Speaker 3: right here, and scrolling from Joe.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if there's anything that I'm missing
Speaker 2: in the Mets world.
Speaker 3: It was this soft week. Yeah, it was John Smith
Speaker 3: to Homers. He was a nineteenth round pick, John.
Speaker 1: Smith, the third yes out of UCF.
Speaker 3: Something like that. Yeah, and then he had one was
Speaker 3: one o eight, one was one oh nine. More Beatles
Speaker 3: still playing well in uh triple A. Elli and Pago
Speaker 3: is hitting. I'm just scrolling Joe Demisweather right now I
Speaker 3: can narr shout out Shoe great Grays, where is here?
Speaker 7: This?
Speaker 3: Uh oh, this is good. Randy Guzman, Trace Neither, Antonio
Speaker 3: Humenez all from Saint Lucy to Brooklyn. He's a bat
Speaker 3: speed free coop. I'd like to see him against better
Speaker 3: pitching and Trace Neither a few years ago was our
Speaker 3: overslought guy. He hasn't been great. This year has been
Speaker 3: a bit of a breakout for him, So I guess
Speaker 3: just keep pushing him up and see what happens they're hoping.
Speaker 1: I think like a ju and two point Oh there, yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, your boy Jayalen Palmer got caught sadly, I mean
Speaker 3: what I.
Speaker 1: Saw that name.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Jalen, I don't think you're listening to this. I
Speaker 2: couldn't even believe that he was still contracted to play
Speaker 2: for the team.
Speaker 3: The first player we ever interviewed on the Mets Stuff podcast,
Speaker 3: Jaylen Palmer, Jayleen Palmer number one.
Speaker 1: All right, b not he's alive, but Met's career.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's all we got for you, guys.
Speaker 3: Send you to send him out. Frankie Pep, I mean
Speaker 3: serious review. Oh I keep forgetting about series previews. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, might as well, James, let the people know. Who
Speaker 1: are we seeing that schedule?
Speaker 3: I'll blowing it up right now.
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 3: It's a Minos the Marlins. But we got four games
Speaker 3: against the Marlins, so we're gonna see almost the whole staff. Thursday. Ooh,
Speaker 3: Ace offt Thursday. Yeah, who we got Noel McLain versus
Speaker 3: Uri Perez. Oh, okay, I might pull up, might pull
Speaker 3: up to that one Thursday. Yeah, Freddy Peralta versus Jansen
Speaker 3: junk Friday night, if maybe that might not fucking pitching.
Speaker 3: He might not pitch that game.
Speaker 2: Saturday, Wow, jump if you can't let him on the
Speaker 2: field holding back get hurt no way. Saturday four o'clock
Speaker 2: Zach Thornton against Tyler Phillips might pull up to that
Speaker 2: one too, and a Sunday one for the question mark. Theoretically,
Speaker 2: Clay Holmes probably not versus Sandy al Contra. There is
Speaker 2: a zero percent chance you can let Clay Holmes or
Speaker 2: Freddy Pralta pitch at City Field.
Speaker 3: Again, the only thing about Clay Holmes is that you
Speaker 3: might just need to let him show it, just just
Speaker 3: one last time. I could he gave a start, a
Speaker 3: single A. I'm sure that's enough. You get this. Every
Speaker 3: team got the stuff reading. They saw him pitch on
Speaker 3: the mound, they saw the leg. But you it might help.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I mean. Remember Erlanga did that.
Speaker 3: That's true. Yeah, again, not saying that's something maybe they
Speaker 3: should do, but I could see that being possible. I can't, though,
Speaker 3: sang you off the mountain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to wrap him in bubble wrap.
Speaker 3: So just looking at the miss triple A rotation Joonah
Speaker 3: Tongue made his last start on the twenty fourth, so.
Speaker 1: That would be a week from Friday.
Speaker 3: He could pitch on Friday. That could be if he
Speaker 3: doesn't take the mount tomorrow, he's probably gonna come up
Speaker 3: pitch on Friday.
Speaker 1: It was like a very good chance for a p
Speaker 1: all just traded in the next forty eight hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, be.
Speaker 1: We'll have something for you guys.
Speaker 3: Tobias Meyers the twenty eighth, he threw in two thirds,
Speaker 3: so he's still not stretched out and he got smoked
Speaker 3: in Triple A. It's a real shameless kind of out
Speaker 3: with that guy. Uh Wenninger we got We also mentioned
Speaker 3: last episodes in Tucci Triple A. Correct, Yes, Wenninger was
Speaker 3: the twenty first. He has a pitch. It's the twenty first.
Speaker 3: Well the way for ten days? Jeez, what are we
Speaker 3: doing down there? His last time before that was the tenth.
Speaker 1: What's going on every ten days?
Speaker 3: Whatever? Not gonna get into it, but h Marles team
Speaker 3: is hot. Everypern To Hernandez has has been my guy
Speaker 3: this year. He's a monster.
Speaker 2: I think you had him in your YouTube thumbnail as
Speaker 2: a superstar. You must add.
Speaker 3: I think it's three home runs since I did that.
Speaker 3: So shit. He was traded for Nathaniel Low six years
Speaker 3: ago Rangers to Raise Raised to Rangers. Wow that trade,
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, this is third team since then.
Speaker 3: He's finally breaking out big time. He looks nice six
Speaker 3: run comeback against Jesu's Lozada when the Phillies bullpen on
Speaker 3: Thursday on Wednesday to complete the sweep, and it's team
Speaker 3: that a lot to play for. I mean, I can
Speaker 3: never say I hate the Marlins. I actually weirdly kind
Speaker 3: of love the Marlins.
Speaker 1: I hate them.
Speaker 3: I watched them so much, but I would like to
Speaker 3: spoil their season.
Speaker 1: You know, I hate them.
Speaker 2: I'll never forgive them for what they did to us
Speaker 2: over again, yeah, over and over again at the end
Speaker 2: of the late two thousands. But yeah, let's play spoiler
Speaker 2: kind of. I mean, we gave the Phillies a chance
Speaker 2: to do something. They just shipped down their legs. So
Speaker 2: now let's beat up on the team that beat up
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 3: Let's just try to beat every NL's team. I don't
Speaker 3: care who wins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, just I don't care who wins the division.
Speaker 1: Just make it hard for them.
Speaker 3: I might get talk him in back soon. Save the
Speaker 3: season baby.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's just made my night.
Speaker 3: I can't wait. I'd so much rather see like wag
Speaker 3: him and can get PA's over talking, And honestly.
Speaker 2: I'd rather see Alex Ramirez get pas over. Where's what's
Speaker 2: last Thing's millage doing? He can still play?
Speaker 3: How old do you think last Thing's millage is? Before
Speaker 3: we get out of here? Forty two? I think that
Speaker 3: might be low. You think that's low? Last Thing's millage
Speaker 3: two thousand and six, he was eighteen, he's forty one. Wow,
Speaker 3: that's an unbelievable call. Yeah, it's pretty good, But all right,
Speaker 3: we're sending him out with Frankie Peppers, ranky peppers?
Speaker 1: So low?
Speaker 3: Why's he so low?
Speaker 2: You gotta put on a speaker or something? Damn really yeah,
Speaker 2: shockingly quiet. I'm just here, gentlemen's very faintly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is something wrong with me. I don't know
Speaker 3: why he's not a speaker. That's tough.
Speaker 1: Did you turn off the silent on your phone?
Speaker 3: I'm max volume. I'm playing the old ones and they're
Speaker 3: playing quiet too, So something I something is wrong with
Speaker 3: your phone.
Speaker 1: Poor Frankie.
Speaker 3: I'll give this one moment, but.
Speaker 2: I I'll try to fill some space here. Some other
Speaker 2: guys I'd rather see play the outfield than Mike Talkman
Speaker 2: for this.
Speaker 3: Andy A. Banya is back in Triple A with this team.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: You know who would rather played the outfield even though
Speaker 2: we know he can't do it. Let me get some
Speaker 2: Christopher morel a B's let me see him play?
Speaker 3: Did contact with barstool? Why is that popping up on.
Speaker 1: My Feet's do Christian Pache?
Speaker 3: I'll see what christ We got him at the close
Speaker 3: Instagram open it back up? What ever fails? Frankie say
Speaker 3: the one.
Speaker 7: I hope you're doing okay with all this rain we've
Speaker 7: been having. And James, I hope your camera still on?
Speaker 7: If we're so boys, I think I've made it officially.
Speaker 7: I showed the YouTube comments for the last video I had.
Speaker 7: I have my first hata. I don't remember that name
Speaker 7: because it's not important, but I have my first hated gentleman,
Speaker 7: and I say that you like me wait too much?
Speaker 7: And then I'm overrated, and I think that now somebody's
Speaker 7: calling me overrated, that means that means I made it, gentleman.
Speaker 7: I think I did it, and this whole thanks to you.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate it.
Speaker 7: My heart take is that I should have more haters.
Speaker 7: And my question of the week is, a gentleman, who's
Speaker 7: your favorite hater? Okay, the answer can't be, can't be
Speaker 7: the Lion, has to be somebody else. Sorry, gentlemen, right,
Speaker 7: take care, we beat the braves. Great, let's go Mets.
Speaker 7: Take care boys.
Speaker 2: Frankie Pepper's getting the hater is like, that's this just
Speaker 2: tells you there's a lot of evil in this world.
Speaker 3: That's just that tells you the extent, the extension, the
Speaker 3: reach of the mess up universe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone hates the guy who comes down for fifteen
Speaker 2: seconds forty eight minutes in.
Speaker 3: I think I think Frankie. I think Frankie's reading those
Speaker 3: comments more than we are. He might be I didn't
Speaker 3: even know that happened either. I didn't see that one
Speaker 3: at all. But who's your favorite hater? My favorite hater
Speaker 3: of mine?
Speaker 2: Man, that's a I feel like I've kind of like
Speaker 2: separated myself from even knowing who my haters are.
Speaker 1: Do you have one off the top of your head?
Speaker 1: The Lion was kind of the most recent.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 3: I have this weird Phillies fan that like lives in
Speaker 3: my DMS and just sends me mean shit. But it's
Speaker 3: like it's it's like it's just mean, regular means. It's
Speaker 3: not like, oh I'm so scared that everyone's just regular
Speaker 3: mean to me. I start a lot of shit, so
Speaker 3: like I deserve it. Yeah, I love I like interacting
Speaker 3: with Harris. I probably reply to people too much on Twitter,
Speaker 3: but it's just kind of fun and I love to
Speaker 3: procrastinate of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good way to waste time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had I've I've become friends friendly with one
Speaker 3: of my haters. I don't think he was ever hater.
Speaker 3: I think he was just like wanted some better takes.
Speaker 3: Guy's name Howard old school dude. Why is the Tigers
Speaker 3: fan lives in Michigan but still loves the Mets. He's
Speaker 3: told me, and Twitter applies so much recently, But I
Speaker 3: know who the biggest aitter is now, Oh the dude,
Speaker 3: who's your biggest hit?
Speaker 2: There's a guy that comments on all of our videos
Speaker 2: on the wind Up and also watches Mets up and
Speaker 2: also comments on my videos about like how incredibly biased
Speaker 2: we are towards the Mets and on the wind Up specifically,
Speaker 2: it's like this isn't the Mets channel talk about all baseball?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we do do.
Speaker 3: But I don't think. I don't even. I think some
Speaker 3: of the Mets fans say we talk about too much
Speaker 3: other stuff on this besides the Mets. He's gonna comment
Speaker 3: on this video and he's gonna say that's me. He
Speaker 3: knows it's him.
Speaker 2: It's a shout the cap to you, shout out that guy,
Speaker 2: shout out that guy, and that's it. They got nothing
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