Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bokay f Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: apologies for the delay in today's show. Drop. So much
Speaker 1: is going on, so many things out of whack, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blame it on mercury being in retrograde. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: I want to share with you all something that has
Speaker 1: been troubling me, which is this. Over the weekend here
Speaker 1: in New York where I am, there was another shooting
Speaker 1: on a subway and one man was shot dead, forty
Speaker 1: eight years old, doing nothing other than sitting and minding
Speaker 1: his own business, headed into you know, do whatever people
Speaker 1: do on the weekend, relax, hang out, connect with family,
Speaker 1: and he was shot dead. And what I noticed is
Speaker 1: that we as a culture no longer are outraged by
Speaker 1: gun violence unless the body count is five or above. Now,
Speaker 1: the definition of a mass shooting is for people killed
Speaker 1: at one time. But because we have become so desensitized
Speaker 1: to shootings, it's just now a part of our everyday
Speaker 1: existence here in America. We no longer have the same
Speaker 1: level of outrage that I believe that we should. I
Speaker 1: think to myself, you know, the subway in New York,
Speaker 1: much like public transportation everywhere across this country, in in
Speaker 1: urban areas and cities, is essential. Public transportation is essential.
Speaker 1: It is essential for you to get from one place
Speaker 1: to the other because guess what, ubers and lifts and
Speaker 1: cabs are really expensive, and so the ability to spend
Speaker 1: two dollars and seventy five cents get on a bus,
Speaker 1: get on a subway, and get to where you're going
Speaker 1: is a necessity. And what has happened here over the
Speaker 1: last couple of years because of COVID, we the numbers
Speaker 1: on the subways depending on what line right, because New York,
Speaker 1: much alike everywhere else in the country, is incredibly segregated.
Speaker 1: And you can tell the segregation based on the subway lines.
Speaker 1: And what are the good trains that roll through areas
Speaker 1: that are always on time, that are cleaner, that are newer,
Speaker 1: and then the subways the cars that run through low
Speaker 1: income and densely populated immigrant and people of color populations.
Speaker 1: And you know what I have noticed, obviously is that
Speaker 1: time on the trains, not the time, but the capacity
Speaker 1: has been down since COVID because one of the first
Speaker 1: things that people stop doing right was being in close quarters.
Speaker 1: There is no other close quarters that I can think
Speaker 1: of than a subway in New York, particularly at rush hour,
Speaker 1: where there are just more people than there are space.
Speaker 1: And I think about these acts of terrorism because this
Speaker 1: is what they all are. Mass shootings are acts of terrorism,
Speaker 1: and then they become hate crimes when they are directed
Speaker 1: at one community or another, or one religious group or another.
Speaker 1: And this is all attached to our love affair in
Speaker 1: this country with guns. And right now there is a
Speaker 1: Supreme Court case that we've talked about with our friend
Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Netzell that is going to be decided in
Speaker 1: June that is about essentially states can have states rights
Speaker 1: when it pertains to controlling a person's uterus. When it
Speaker 1: is about a state trying to keep its citizens safe
Speaker 1: with regard to gun control, OOO, that's hindering on a
Speaker 1: constitutional right. And so again, the right to own a
Speaker 1: gun is more important than the right for the rest
Speaker 1: of us to pursue our freedom of happiness, the ability
Speaker 1: to be safe in public spaces. And every time that
Speaker 1: there is a shooting, I continue to think about where
Speaker 1: we are going as a society and as a culture.
Speaker 1: When you no longer feel safe anywhere, and what the
Speaker 1: residual effects of that emotional trauma that is being rained
Speaker 1: down on us on a weekly basis. I don't think
Speaker 1: that there is a weekend that we go through where
Speaker 1: there aren't multiple shootings in multiple places across this country, right,
Speaker 1: whether it is suicide, whether it is a single a
Speaker 1: single victim, whether it is multiple victims. There is not
Speaker 1: a time when we go through a week's of no
Speaker 1: gun violence. The only time that that was was during
Speaker 1: quarantine when people were forced to be inside. What does
Speaker 1: that say about a society that is supposed to be
Speaker 1: quote unquote industrialized, quote unquote modern, And yet you can't
Speaker 1: go to a grocery store, a church, a synagogue, a mosque,
Speaker 1: movie theater, walk around on the street, play on a
Speaker 1: playground in any of these places without the fear of
Speaker 1: gun violence erupting. And it isn't just you know, placed
Speaker 1: in these in quote unquote urban centers, which is code
Speaker 1: for black and brown. No, it isn't just there, it's
Speaker 1: actually everywhere. And the lie that was continued to be told,
Speaker 1: you know, throughout our lives has been like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: these dangerous urban centers. No, it is not gun violence
Speaker 1: is everywhere there are guns. You know, there is no
Speaker 1: such thing as a good person with a gun, in
Speaker 1: my humble opinion, because even a good person with a gun,
Speaker 1: it can make a mistake, cannot have a safety on,
Speaker 1: a child can pick it up, they can accidentally shoot
Speaker 1: themselves or other people. How many times do we hear
Speaker 1: about accidental shootings? It's just these days. I you know,
Speaker 1: over the weekend, I was also you know, speaking and
Speaker 1: connecting with friends and you know, talking about the fact
Speaker 1: we're talking about monkey pocks. We're talking about COVID, the
Speaker 1: the rise back up and the fact that the White
Speaker 1: House hadn't held a COVID briefing in six weeks and
Speaker 1: now we're back at it. The fact that you have,
Speaker 1: you know, populations, a quarter of the population is still unvaccinated.
Speaker 1: Then we're talking about monkey pocks and the fact that
Speaker 1: those cases have been reported in the United States. And
Speaker 1: my friend says to me, Dear God, can we just
Speaker 1: take one fucking thing at a time? Like is it
Speaker 1: possible for us just to be able to focus on
Speaker 1: one crisis at a time? Like why does everything feel
Speaker 1: like a tidal wave? And that's how it feels, And
Speaker 1: maybe you know, to that point when it comes to
Speaker 1: gun violence and reporting it in this country is the
Speaker 1: fact that, my god, there's just so much gun violence
Speaker 1: that is happening that to lift up every single story
Speaker 1: in every single place, what else would you talk about
Speaker 1: on the news? And I think to me that that
Speaker 1: would be an important exercise. What if the gun lobbies,
Speaker 1: not the you know, the gun reform lobbies, What if
Speaker 1: they lobbied networks CBS, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, all of these
Speaker 1: networks for a couple of hours out of the day,
Speaker 1: the same couple of hours out of the day to
Speaker 1: just cover gun violence. Just cover every single shooting that
Speaker 1: has taken place. See if you have a room for
Speaker 1: anything else, And let that be a campaign that is
Speaker 1: out for like a couple of days where you're just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is how much gun violence is
Speaker 1: in this country. I think that if it were reported
Speaker 1: not just these mass shootings that catch the public's attention
Speaker 1: and again only for a little bit, only for a
Speaker 1: day or two before something else comes, maybe people who
Speaker 1: are so pro gun would think twice about it. I
Speaker 1: saw this weekend. Let me see if I can find it,
Speaker 1: because it was really absolutely insane. There are several GOP
Speaker 1: candidates that are running for office. And you know, what
Speaker 1: we know is that the GOP has just become an
Speaker 1: extremist cult. There's like no way around it. You know.
Speaker 1: I was watching another show that is on CNN. It's
Speaker 1: a new like CNN series. I forget the guy's name,
Speaker 1: but they're going around, you know, into different places and
Speaker 1: doing like investigative reporting. And one of the first places
Speaker 1: that he went to was Ghana to um to interview
Speaker 1: these kind of you know, really incredible renegade journalists who
Speaker 1: cover their faces changed their voices because they're unearthing all
Speaker 1: of the corruption that is in the government and they
Speaker 1: want Ghana, their their home country, to be corruption free.
Speaker 1: And some of the journalists that are part of this
Speaker 1: group have been assassinated. And you know, as he's talking
Speaker 1: to them, and he's you know, illuminating like how the
Speaker 1: slave trade started in this in this particular country in Africa,
Speaker 1: and you know the fact that there were you had slaves,
Speaker 1: slave quarters, you had atrocities that were happening in Ghana
Speaker 1: and in this one particular area, these fun mentalist Christians
Speaker 1: built a church in the middle of this prison slave
Speaker 1: quarter area where they would worship as people are walking
Speaker 1: around them covered in blood, bruises, in their own feces,
Speaker 1: and these right wing fundamentalist Christian cult erected a church
Speaker 1: in the center of it. And what the show said
Speaker 1: was just like, there's nothing that you can say to
Speaker 1: this other than the fact that this is a cult
Speaker 1: because it's the Christian Church, has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: African culture, and the fact that it was erected in
Speaker 1: this place to condone acts of violence and torture and
Speaker 1: rape is disgusting. Like who does this is what the
Speaker 1: narrator saying. And then I look over the weekend and
Speaker 1: I see little clips of you know, these GOP extremist
Speaker 1: cult candidates, and there was this woman standing in front
Speaker 1: of a sign that said guns, God and babies, and
Speaker 1: one of the woke f Matthew, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for sending it to me on Instagram. I was dumb struck.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, when you look at these signs and
Speaker 1: this is what these people are standing by and touting,
Speaker 1: they are lunatics. And what is scary is that they're
Speaker 1: not fringe like guns, God and babies. You don't care
Speaker 1: about babies because one hundred and ninety two Republicans in
Speaker 1: the House of Representatives voted against the production of baby formula.
Speaker 1: And anybody who wants to come out and tell me like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's not what they voted against, shut up, shut up.
Speaker 1: They have vote it against the child tax credit. They
Speaker 1: have voted against relief for families. So you want to
Speaker 1: put up a sign for your election rally that is guns, babies,
Speaker 1: and God, and that is supposed to make you a patriot.
Speaker 1: You don't even understand God, That's what That's what gets
Speaker 1: me about these people. They have no understanding of God whatsoever. Right,
Speaker 1: they don't even understand the teachings of their own Bible.
Speaker 1: That once again, like in nowhere did it say that
Speaker 1: God is anti abortion? In nowhere did it say that
Speaker 1: slavery is condoned in nowhere does? It's looks like these
Speaker 1: white evangelical Christian people and their interpretation, in their interpretation
Speaker 1: of religion, their interpretation of like how society should function,
Speaker 1: it's through violence, threat, persecution, misogyny, and patriarchy. So they
Speaker 1: may contin in you to make inroads, which they are doing,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you the only way that this ends
Speaker 1: is through violence. And they have all the guns. So honestly,
Speaker 1: without other countries intervening. When America does erupt into a
Speaker 1: civil war, I don't know how this ends. But when
Speaker 1: you have these people who want to talk about the
Speaker 1: sanity of life, you're putting up a sign that says guns,
Speaker 1: God and babies. Are you dumb? This is twenty five
Speaker 1: percent of the population, and I'm wondering when the other
Speaker 1: seventy five percent are going to wake up and take
Speaker 1: action because something has to be done. Coming up next,
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Speaker 1: you know that whenever I have an opportunity to chat
Speaker 1: with our friend MSNBC legal analysts and the host of
Speaker 1: Justice Matters Glenn Kirshner. I am beyond myself because I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that this week, this week, Glenn, we may have
Speaker 1: some actual good news to share for once, because the
Speaker 1: last time you are on, I think we both left
Speaker 1: and wanted to jump off of a cliff. But so
Speaker 1: tell us where we are with the latest with the
Speaker 1: one six House Committee, because we are getting close to
Speaker 1: the June primetime reveal of their year plus of work.
Speaker 1: So where are we right now? Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know that we can balance out the bad news,
Speaker 1: but we're going to try. So. I wish I had
Speaker 1: done a better job kind of communicating this in recent months,
Speaker 1: because you know, we are forever you and I and others, Danielle,
Speaker 1: we are forever frustrated because it feels like the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice isn't doing enough, isn't moving quickly enough, isn't
Speaker 1: going after the people who need to be indicted, if
Speaker 1: only for public safety reasons, so Trump and company cannot
Speaker 1: continue their crime spree. But here is the thing that
Speaker 1: I think has come into full focus for me. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to start to beat this drum. We know
Speaker 1: that the Department of Justice has just requested a thousand
Speaker 1: transcripts from the J six Committee. That leads us to say,
Speaker 1: why in the world is DJ taking a back seat
Speaker 1: to the J six Committee in these important investigative interviews?
Speaker 1: And that feels wrong, and it feels like DJ is negligent. Right,
Speaker 1: But here is what I think we need to remember.
Speaker 1: The J six Committee staff, the investigative staff is made
Speaker 1: up almost exclusively by a former federal prosecutors. It is
Speaker 1: headed the chief investigative counsel guy named Tim Heafee, former
Speaker 1: colleague and friend of mine from the DCUs Attorney's Office,
Speaker 1: is really one of the most adept rico prosecutors I know.
Speaker 1: So what I'm confident of, Danielle is these thousand interviews
Speaker 1: were put together by a team of dedicated, determined former
Speaker 1: federal prosecutors. So it's almost like these thousand interviews could
Speaker 1: have been run as grand jury interviews by the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice and they're going to end up being justice
Speaker 1: valuable to the ultimate criminal prosecution of Trump and company.
Speaker 1: That should give us some comfort. The other reason that
Speaker 1: I think this was I'm going to say, a smart
Speaker 1: tactical move. If in fact what we're discussing is a
Speaker 1: product of tactics and not happenstance. I think there's probably
Speaker 1: both things at play in the way this investigation has progressed.
Speaker 1: If the Department of Justice had taken the lead and
Speaker 1: grand jury these thousand witnesses, you know what that would mean.
Speaker 1: None of us would ever know anything that was said
Speaker 1: in the grand jury by these thousand witnesses. We wouldn't
Speaker 1: know on June ninth or June tenth, or in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three or in twenty twenty four. The only way
Speaker 1: we would know what any of those thousand witnesses said
Speaker 1: was if a criminal prosecution was brought and one or
Speaker 1: more of those witnesses was called to testify in a
Speaker 1: public trial, then we would get some little sliver of
Speaker 1: what they said about the insurrection and Trump's culpability for
Speaker 1: the insurrection. How frustrating would that be? Right? What we're
Speaker 1: gonna now get to see courtesy of this I think
Speaker 1: really important investigation that's been conducted by J six is
Speaker 1: the full show through the eyes of the thousand witnesses
Speaker 1: who were in the room or otherwise privy to Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and Company's crimes. And we're getting the White House
Speaker 1: photographer to boot right, and that's going to be. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you a picture painting a thousand words. When Stephanie
Speaker 1: Grisham said during the insurrection, Donald Trump was gleefully celebrating it.
Speaker 1: I saw it. We're gonna now see also photographs and
Speaker 1: perhaps video of Donald Trump gleefully celebrating the insurrection, according
Speaker 1: to Grisham, hitting rewind with the good parts when they
Speaker 1: were really beating people up, when they according to Stephanie Grisham,
Speaker 1: when Trump's had looked there fighting for me for three hours,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump waged war against the democratic process and the
Speaker 1: United States of America, and he refused to call it off. Danielle,
Speaker 1: We're gonna see that movie through the testimony of the
Speaker 1: people who were in the room beginning June ninth, and
Speaker 1: after we see it and we know there's enough evidence
Speaker 1: to prove beyond a reasonable doubt Donald Trump's crimes. DJ
Speaker 1: will have to indict. They will have to indict, or
Speaker 1: they're giving our republic away and the legitimacy of the
Speaker 1: Department of Justice will be gone. So the way this
Speaker 1: has played out is not as bad as it's been
Speaker 1: feeling to us. I guess my concern here, Glenn. Now,
Speaker 1: at first I want to say This is good news.
Speaker 1: This is some movement we've been looking to see if
Speaker 1: the lights have been on inside of the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice or if they've just been in a deep slumber.
Speaker 1: This shows to me, Okay, somebody flipped the switch right,
Speaker 1: because they're asking for these thousand documents, these thousand transcripts
Speaker 1: of the interviews that we're done. However, I am really
Speaker 1: cautious in getting myself excited because I have PTSD from
Speaker 1: the Muller investigation. So can you give us some insight
Speaker 1: into how this reveal come June may be different and
Speaker 1: or the same from what we saw with the muel Report.
Speaker 1: Now I pray to God that there is nothing other
Speaker 1: than it being in the same room that's the same
Speaker 1: from the Muller report. But what what What are we
Speaker 1: going to be looking for? What are you going to
Speaker 1: be looking for as we gear up for this next month?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm with you, Danielle. This is the curse
Speaker 1: of being the eternal optimist. Because our heads hurt from
Speaker 1: having the rug pulled out from under us while we're
Speaker 1: standing on it so many times and having our heads
Speaker 1: you know, crack on the basement, and we're tired of it.
Speaker 1: So I'm with you that we shouldn't get our hopes up,
Speaker 1: we should manage our own expectations. But you know, the
Speaker 1: Mueller Report fell flat because Bill Barr lied about it
Speaker 1: and did not let the mechanisms of government do what
Speaker 1: should have been done once Bob Mueller documented ten obstruction
Speaker 1: of justice crimes by Donald Trump, right, and we had
Speaker 1: Judge Reggie Walton, a personal favorite of mine, who said
Speaker 1: Bill Barr spun the Mother Report and deceive the American people,
Speaker 1: and Bill Barr lacks candor. Those are Judge Walton's words,
Speaker 1: not mine. And that's why I'm not all that excited
Speaker 1: about Bill Barr's supposed appearance before J six. I do
Speaker 1: think this is going to be different because there is
Speaker 1: no Bill Barr in a position of power to tank
Speaker 1: the J six committee hearings or findings or report that
Speaker 1: will be issued. That has me optimistic. I'm also optimistic
Speaker 1: because we've all seen these congressional hearings that make us
Speaker 1: sick to our stomachs, because you have the Democrats who
Speaker 1: are interested in getting reliable information out, and then you've
Speaker 1: got the yammering idiots like Jim Jordan and Gomer and
Speaker 1: the rest of them just sat and spouting their garbage
Speaker 1: and their propaganda and their disinformation. Right, that is not
Speaker 1: what this hearing will be. This hearing will be everyone
Speaker 1: in the room who has a microphone, even if they're
Speaker 1: Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger on the same patriotic page.
Speaker 1: And that is what's going to make it so compelling.
Speaker 1: I really do believe it's going to be compelling. Now.
Speaker 1: The fact that we may see a compelling movie over
Speaker 1: the course of some eight hearings or however many are scheduled,
Speaker 1: doesn't translate into accountability necessarily. But I also think once
Speaker 1: we see with our own eyes the damaging evidence that
Speaker 1: shows we can prove Trump's crimes beyond a reasonable doubt.
Speaker 1: As I say, if the Department of Justice cares at
Speaker 1: all about the viability of our democracy, they must indict
Speaker 1: after that. And let's face it, what they announced. We
Speaker 1: need these transcripts because we have a criminal investigation into
Speaker 1: all things insurrection, taking liberties with the precise language, and
Speaker 1: that's why we want them. And you know what, Benny Thompson,
Speaker 1: God bless him, said, you know what, I'm not crazy
Speaker 1: about giving you our work product. If I were him,
Speaker 1: and I know I got our kid from Jersey. I
Speaker 1: probably would have stooped a little bit. I would have
Speaker 1: said yes, and we referred to you crimes against Congress
Speaker 1: months ago. You know what we would like We would
Speaker 1: like you to prosecute the contempt of Congress, that we
Speaker 1: are victims of we in Congress, and that we would
Speaker 1: really need to progress in our investigation. How about you
Speaker 1: give us a little something. He didn't say that, but
Speaker 1: he did flex his coequal branch of government muscle and said,
Speaker 1: thank you. This is our work product. We have hearings
Speaker 1: coming up. We'll get back to you on Matt and
Speaker 1: ultimately these transcripts are gonna go over. If I were
Speaker 1: Representative Thompson, I might say, you know, I expect there
Speaker 1: will be subpoena's forthcoming for these transcripts that will give
Speaker 1: them some cover, because I don't think I want Congress ever,
Speaker 1: cowtowing to the Department of Justice is coequal branch of government,
Speaker 1: the executive and just say oh, oh, you're asking for stuff.
Speaker 1: Here you go, here you go, because then you get
Speaker 1: a corrupt Republican administration. Right, They're gonna say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: you gave everything over when they asked previously so this
Speaker 1: is representative Thompson being smart and circumspect and doing the
Speaker 1: right thing. But ultimately it's all going to go over
Speaker 1: and ultimately indictments are going to drop. I mean, I
Speaker 1: hope that you're right, Glenn. We already know that Eastman
Speaker 1: has been indicted, right, we have that indictment down. We
Speaker 1: know Eastman hasn't been indicted. Eastman hasn't been indicted, He's
Speaker 1: only been investigated. He's been investigated, and that California judge
Speaker 1: said that there was criminal it primes by a preponderance
Speaker 1: of the evidence. But we're still awaiting an Eastman indictment.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think God, at the pace that
Speaker 1: this is going, that the Department of Justice's plan is
Speaker 1: to drop justice series of indictments all at the same time, because,
Speaker 1: I mean, for the love of God, Glenn, we knew
Speaker 1: that Eastman literally was the architect with the PowerPoint presentation
Speaker 1: several months ago, right enough for it to go before
Speaker 1: California judged. So tell me what you think if we
Speaker 1: believe that the Department of Justice is actually lights on
Speaker 1: and working, what does it look like in terms of
Speaker 1: we go through these hearings, these public hearings, the world
Speaker 1: watches and then what the Department of Justice waits for
Speaker 1: the cameras to cut and then goes ahead and begins
Speaker 1: the parade of indictments. That it depends on what DOJ
Speaker 1: has been doing behind the scenes that we don't know about.
Speaker 1: And the one thing I can guarantee you is there's
Speaker 1: been a lot going on behind the scenes that we
Speaker 1: don't know about. And that's ordinarily how grand jury investigations
Speaker 1: are run, and we don't know about them until indictments
Speaker 1: are unsealed and made public. What we ordinarily try to do, Danielle,
Speaker 1: in large conspiracy cases. And I may have handled part
Speaker 1: of the largest RICO conspiracy case ever brought in the
Speaker 1: courts of Washington, DC, as did Tim Geefee. He was
Speaker 1: on the same RICO case the Chief Investigative Council of
Speaker 1: J six. But it was like a drop in the
Speaker 1: ocean as compared to what DJ is contending with on
Speaker 1: the insurrection front. But what we ordinarily try to do
Speaker 1: is we try to do a coordinated takedown. What does
Speaker 1: that mean. It means we will put as many people
Speaker 1: into a joint indictment and indict them all at the
Speaker 1: same time and coordinate simultaneous search warrants on all of
Speaker 1: their homes and businesses and any other place over which
Speaker 1: they have exclusive control at the same time, because what
Speaker 1: we don't want to do is piecemeal lock people up,
Speaker 1: because once you lock one person up, that has a
Speaker 1: ripple effect, and lots of other people who are complicit
Speaker 1: in the crimes will start to try to destroy evidence,
Speaker 1: will start to try to tamper with witnesses. That's why
Speaker 1: we do and all at once coordinated takedown by indicting
Speaker 1: them all together in the same indictment, coordinating simultaneous search warrants,
Speaker 1: literally dozens, if not hundreds of them, and that's when
Speaker 1: the criminal cases get rolling. The only reason we would
Speaker 1: leave people out of that kind of an indictment who
Speaker 1: have criminal culpability for the conspiracy to commit offenses against
Speaker 1: the United States is if they were either cooperating or
Speaker 1: if we thought we could get more out of them
Speaker 1: by leaving them out and threatening appropriately a future indictment
Speaker 1: against them. So these are massive tactical decisions, and we
Speaker 1: have operational meetings Danielle over and over and over again
Speaker 1: as the evidentiary landscape develops and changes, and then we
Speaker 1: make the decision Okay, it's takedown time. Let's go, and
Speaker 1: that's when we will take them all down at one time,
Speaker 1: or as many as it makes tactical sense to take
Speaker 1: down at one time. How difficult, Glenn, do you think that?
Speaker 1: I mean again, let me let me just you know,
Speaker 1: play with a little mustard seat of oape for a moment.
Speaker 1: What do you think it would look like the day
Speaker 1: that an indictment comes down for Donald Trump? Like? What
Speaker 1: what I mean? Look at it? Look at both of
Speaker 1: our faces are like large smiles and gleeful. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but I'm just curious as because we've never seen this,
Speaker 1: We've never seen something like this happen, right, So what
Speaker 1: like just if you can and I know you don't
Speaker 1: know for sure either, but what would it look like?
Speaker 1: You know, all hell would break loose. What I'm confident
Speaker 1: of is the Department of Justice and the primary law
Speaker 1: enforcement component responsible for executing search warrants, the US Marshall's Service,
Speaker 1: would manage a massive takedown pretty darn well, not perfectly,
Speaker 1: because there is nothing but uncertainty in these kind of takedowns,
Speaker 1: but you know, it would be a massive media explosion
Speaker 1: around the world, and then we would probably spend literally
Speaker 1: the next year to two years tracking all of the
Speaker 1: court cases and the developments. Who's pleading guilty, who's agreeing
Speaker 1: to cooperate against and it would I'm telling you, once
Speaker 1: somebody shows up at your door at six am, which
Speaker 1: is the ordinary, you know, time for search warrants to
Speaker 1: be executed. We like to catch them sleepy, catch them
Speaker 1: napping before they know it's so. Yeah, we know that
Speaker 1: once those cuffs go on, the landscape changes. It tends
Speaker 1: to focus the mind of particularly these weak men and
Speaker 1: women who are trying to undermine our democracy. And you're
Speaker 1: going to see them dropping like flies, running to the
Speaker 1: courthouse steps, running to the prosecutor's office to try to
Speaker 1: cooperate to minimize their exposure to prison. So all hell
Speaker 1: will break loose. And I can't wait for that day
Speaker 1: to come, because as I sit here, I can envision
Speaker 1: that day not coming, because then we're done. Then, ye
Speaker 1: I mean you said that, I believe it. I have
Speaker 1: said the same thing. Last question for you, and this
Speaker 1: is to transition off of the insurrection. I just want
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on the Buffalo massacre. And you
Speaker 1: know you and I post the uprising in Wisconsin where
Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse drove across two states within aar fifteen, shot
Speaker 1: and killed two protesters, wounding a third in Kenosha. He
Speaker 1: later was acquitted. Right he was, he was let off
Speaker 1: by a federal judge who basically pat him on the
Speaker 1: head and said, you know, all sun was just out
Speaker 1: there protecting property and doing the right thing. I've been thinking, Glenn,
Speaker 1: and you're I'm not a lawyer, so that I ask
Speaker 1: you tell me what is the difference right between a
Speaker 1: buffalo white supremacist terrorist driving two hundred miles to shoot
Speaker 1: and kill ten black people ranging an age from thirty
Speaker 1: all the way to eighty six years old, to kill
Speaker 1: them in cold blood. The only difference I can see
Speaker 1: is that Kyle Rittenhouse didn't write a manifesto. So we
Speaker 1: just like needing in the rule of law for these people,
Speaker 1: the people that commit heinous crimes, to then confess them
Speaker 1: in a manifesto for them to be convicted. So, you know,
Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse, these are actually I think significantly different cases
Speaker 1: given the way the facts as we know them played out.
Speaker 1: I do think they were both hate and racist inspired
Speaker 1: acts of violence. But you know what we saw on
Speaker 1: the during the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. We saw a video
Speaker 1: tape and there was testimony which is admissible and can
Speaker 1: be accepted by the jury of people trying to I
Speaker 1: hate to use the word attack Kyle Rittenhouse, because there
Speaker 1: are attacks that are offensive and there are attacks that
Speaker 1: are defense trying to protect oneself. But it was up
Speaker 1: to the jury to decide whether these people who were attacking,
Speaker 1: who were using physical force against Kyle Rittenhouse, were doing
Speaker 1: that to try to protect others from Kyle Rittenhouse's violence, right,
Speaker 1: or we're just you know, nasty people trying to attack
Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse because they didn't like him or whatever. And
Speaker 1: that decision was handed to the jury. And what I
Speaker 1: think the jury concluded was, I can't rule out self
Speaker 1: defense beyond a reasonable doubt. I may have some I
Speaker 1: may hate who Kyle Rittenhouse is, what he stands for,
Speaker 1: what he did, but I can't rule out to nearly
Speaker 1: one hundred percent certainty beyond a reasonable doubt that maybe
Speaker 1: there is some lingering self defense angle here. So you know,
Speaker 1: the not guilty verdict was not an embrace of what
Speaker 1: he did. I think it was an application of the
Speaker 1: rule of law and the evidentiary standard to what the
Speaker 1: prosecutor and the defense attorneys presented to the jury. I
Speaker 1: see that as different and what happened in Buffalo. So
Speaker 1: but but these both of these, because what happened in Buffalo.
Speaker 1: You know, this guy calls himself I'm an eco eco.
Speaker 1: I'm not an eco, not an eco terrorist, I'm an
Speaker 1: eco fascist. I'm an eco fascist, or I'm an Ethno
Speaker 1: nationalist or I don't care what fancy terms you put
Speaker 1: in front of your name. You're a racist murderer, period,
Speaker 1: and that's what you will be shown to be in
Speaker 1: a court of law because he has no defense. I
Speaker 1: think he was proud of his intempt, his attempt to
Speaker 1: kill as many black folks stream Day was proud of it.
Speaker 1: But here is what this is a product of there,
Speaker 1: and this is what's got me so flip and frustrated.
Speaker 1: We need a whole of government approach to two things.
Speaker 1: America sits right now stubbornly at the intersection of uncontrolled,
Speaker 1: unrestricted access to assault rifles and weapons of war and uncontrolled,
Speaker 1: unrestricted hate speech on our public airwaves and our social
Speaker 1: media platforms. Hate speech, if not designed to incite imminent violence,
Speaker 1: certainly likely to incite imminent violence. We sit at that crossroads,
Speaker 1: and Danielle, our government seems to do nothing about it,
Speaker 1: which is a prescription for another buffalo and another buffalo
Speaker 1: and another buffalo. If we don't do something about it,
Speaker 1: why cannot we take a whole whole of government approach
Speaker 1: where we do three things, and I want to focus
Speaker 1: on just one of the three. We regulate, we legislate,
Speaker 1: and then when our regulations and our legislation is attacked,
Speaker 1: we litigate, We go into court, and we defend it.
Speaker 1: If I was the president, which I will never be
Speaker 1: because I'll never run for public office, and if I did,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get elected. I would never stop signing executive orders,
Speaker 1: one hundred executive orders in one hundred days designed to
Speaker 1: get at that dual evil of unrestricted gun access and
Speaker 1: unrestricted hate speech likely to incite violence. And I would
Speaker 1: get my smart much smarter than me, constitutional people around
Speaker 1: me saying, how can I craft an executive order that
Speaker 1: gets at these two things that will pass constitutional muster
Speaker 1: so I can go into court and defend it. And
Speaker 1: I would do one hundred executive orders in one hundred days.
Speaker 1: I would go on the offense. I would go scorched earth.
Speaker 1: Let the Republicans. I would flood the zone with good.
Speaker 1: Let the Republicans come into court and try to challenge
Speaker 1: the good I'm trying to do, not only one hundred
Speaker 1: executive orders in one hundred days, Daniel, I would task
Speaker 1: every single government agency in the executive branch that has
Speaker 1: any little bit of a dog in the public safety fight.
Speaker 1: And you know there are more executive branch agencies than
Speaker 1: you can shake a stick at, right. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you went to the Department of Justice, the Department of Defense, Commerce, Labor, Energy, Education, FCC, SCC,
Speaker 1: the Consumer Protection Boards, and there are another dozen. And
Speaker 1: I task each agency with, give me one, maybe two
Speaker 1: regulations that are designed to get it unrestricted access to
Speaker 1: weapons of war and unrestricted hate speech likely to incite
Speaker 1: imminent violence. Give me those regulations, and we're going to
Speaker 1: regulate the crack is just. And then we're going to
Speaker 1: go into court when the Republicans come in because we
Speaker 1: flooded the zone with good and they challenge our regulations
Speaker 1: just like they're going to challenge our executive orders, and
Speaker 1: we're going to defend them. And you know what, We're
Speaker 1: gonna win so many of those court cases, and we
Speaker 1: will have done good for the American people. And you
Speaker 1: know what, the cases that we lose, the judiciary is
Speaker 1: going to say, look, Executive Branch, I appreciate what you
Speaker 1: were trying to do, but here's where you stepped your
Speaker 1: toe over the constitutional line. Then we go back, we retool,
Speaker 1: We take that information and that ruling from the court
Speaker 1: about how we got it a little wrong, and we
Speaker 1: do it right, and we Repromilgate and we let the
Speaker 1: Republicans bring us into court again and we defended. We said,
Speaker 1: we heard you, judge, we got it right this time.
Speaker 1: Let's go Why can't we regulate, legislate, and litigate and
Speaker 1: go scorched earth flooding the zone with good instead of
Speaker 1: just letting the Republicans flood the zone? Why? Why? I
Speaker 1: I just wish we could get an answer to the question,
Speaker 1: because all of that can be done, all of that
Speaker 1: can be Glenn. That has to be your next viral video.
Speaker 1: It has to be, because it's like, at this point,
Speaker 1: I cannot listen in all honesty to another speech of
Speaker 1: Joe Biden shaking his finger and telling me white supremacy
Speaker 1: is poison and then getting on Air Force one and
Speaker 1: saying you all hold each other in prayer and doing
Speaker 1: not a goddamn thing Like I literally cannot watch him
Speaker 1: or Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer one more time admonish
Speaker 1: people and try and shame people that are shameless. So
Speaker 1: I hope that that is your next video. Glenn as always,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for walking us through all of
Speaker 1: this legal lease, and I hope, I hope that when
Speaker 1: we talk next week we have more good ish news
Speaker 1: to offer the people with regard to where the one
Speaker 1: six commission as we make the march to June goes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Junine is coming. There will be more light and darkness
Speaker 1: once June nine hits, and then we just have to
Speaker 1: stay after it. Yeah, I appreciate you. Thanks, Danielle, Hey,
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