1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to bokay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: apologies for the delay in today's show. Drop. So much 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: is going on, so many things out of whack, and 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna blame it on mercury being in retrograde. Nonetheless, 6 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: I want to share with you all something that has 7 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: been troubling me, which is this. Over the weekend here 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: in New York where I am, there was another shooting 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: on a subway and one man was shot dead, forty 10 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: eight years old, doing nothing other than sitting and minding 11 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: his own business, headed into you know, do whatever people 12 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: do on the weekend, relax, hang out, connect with family, 13 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: and he was shot dead. And what I noticed is 14 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: that we as a culture no longer are outraged by 15 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 1: gun violence unless the body count is five or above. Now, 16 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 1: the definition of a mass shooting is for people killed 17 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: at one time. But because we have become so desensitized 18 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: to shootings, it's just now a part of our everyday 19 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: existence here in America. We no longer have the same 20 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: level of outrage that I believe that we should. I 21 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: think to myself, you know, the subway in New York, 22 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: much like public transportation everywhere across this country, in in 23 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: urban areas and cities, is essential. Public transportation is essential. 24 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: It is essential for you to get from one place 25 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: to the other because guess what, ubers and lifts and 26 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: cabs are really expensive, and so the ability to spend 27 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: two dollars and seventy five cents get on a bus, 28 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: get on a subway, and get to where you're going 29 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: is a necessity. And what has happened here over the 30 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: last couple of years because of COVID, we the numbers 31 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: on the subways depending on what line right, because New York, 32 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: much alike everywhere else in the country, is incredibly segregated. 33 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: And you can tell the segregation based on the subway lines. 34 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: And what are the good trains that roll through areas 35 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: that are always on time, that are cleaner, that are newer, 36 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: and then the subways the cars that run through low 37 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: income and densely populated immigrant and people of color populations. 38 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: And you know what I have noticed, obviously is that 39 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: time on the trains, not the time, but the capacity 40 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: has been down since COVID because one of the first 41 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: things that people stop doing right was being in close quarters. 42 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: There is no other close quarters that I can think 43 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: of than a subway in New York, particularly at rush hour, 44 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: where there are just more people than there are space. 45 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: And I think about these acts of terrorism because this 46 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: is what they all are. Mass shootings are acts of terrorism, 47 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: and then they become hate crimes when they are directed 48 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: at one community or another, or one religious group or another. 49 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: And this is all attached to our love affair in 50 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: this country with guns. And right now there is a 51 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: Supreme Court case that we've talked about with our friend 52 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: doctor Jonathan Netzell that is going to be decided in 53 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: June that is about essentially states can have states rights 54 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: when it pertains to controlling a person's uterus. When it 55 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: is about a state trying to keep its citizens safe 56 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: with regard to gun control, OOO, that's hindering on a 57 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: constitutional right. And so again, the right to own a 58 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: gun is more important than the right for the rest 59 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: of us to pursue our freedom of happiness, the ability 60 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: to be safe in public spaces. And every time that 61 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: there is a shooting, I continue to think about where 62 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: we are going as a society and as a culture. 63 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: When you no longer feel safe anywhere, and what the 64 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: residual effects of that emotional trauma that is being rained 65 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: down on us on a weekly basis. I don't think 66 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: that there is a weekend that we go through where 67 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: there aren't multiple shootings in multiple places across this country, right, 68 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: whether it is suicide, whether it is a single a 69 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: single victim, whether it is multiple victims. There is not 70 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: a time when we go through a week's of no 71 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: gun violence. The only time that that was was during 72 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: quarantine when people were forced to be inside. What does 73 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: that say about a society that is supposed to be 74 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: quote unquote industrialized, quote unquote modern, And yet you can't 75 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: go to a grocery store, a church, a synagogue, a mosque, 76 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: movie theater, walk around on the street, play on a 77 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: playground in any of these places without the fear of 78 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: gun violence erupting. And it isn't just you know, placed 79 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: in these in quote unquote urban centers, which is code 80 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: for black and brown. No, it isn't just there, it's 81 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: actually everywhere. And the lie that was continued to be told, 82 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: you know, throughout our lives has been like, oh, it's 83 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: these dangerous urban centers. No, it is not gun violence 84 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: is everywhere there are guns. You know, there is no 85 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: such thing as a good person with a gun, in 86 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: my humble opinion, because even a good person with a gun, 87 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: it can make a mistake, cannot have a safety on, 88 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: a child can pick it up, they can accidentally shoot 89 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: themselves or other people. How many times do we hear 90 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: about accidental shootings? It's just these days. I you know, 91 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: over the weekend, I was also you know, speaking and 92 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 1: connecting with friends and you know, talking about the fact 93 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: we're talking about monkey pocks. We're talking about COVID, the 94 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: the rise back up and the fact that the White 95 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: House hadn't held a COVID briefing in six weeks and 96 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: now we're back at it. The fact that you have, 97 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, populations, a quarter of the population is still unvaccinated. 98 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: Then we're talking about monkey pocks and the fact that 99 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: those cases have been reported in the United States. And 100 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: my friend says to me, Dear God, can we just 101 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: take one fucking thing at a time? Like is it 102 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: possible for us just to be able to focus on 103 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: one crisis at a time? Like why does everything feel 104 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: like a tidal wave? And that's how it feels, And 105 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: maybe you know, to that point when it comes to 106 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: gun violence and reporting it in this country is the 107 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: fact that, my god, there's just so much gun violence 108 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: that is happening that to lift up every single story 109 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: in every single place, what else would you talk about 110 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: on the news? And I think to me that that 111 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: would be an important exercise. What if the gun lobbies, 112 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: not the you know, the gun reform lobbies, What if 113 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: they lobbied networks CBS, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, all of these 114 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: networks for a couple of hours out of the day, 115 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: the same couple of hours out of the day to 116 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: just cover gun violence. Just cover every single shooting that 117 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: has taken place. See if you have a room for 118 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: anything else, And let that be a campaign that is 119 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: out for like a couple of days where you're just like, 120 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is how much gun violence is 121 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: in this country. I think that if it were reported 122 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: not just these mass shootings that catch the public's attention 123 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: and again only for a little bit, only for a 124 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: day or two before something else comes, maybe people who 125 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: are so pro gun would think twice about it. I 126 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: saw this weekend. Let me see if I can find it, 127 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: because it was really absolutely insane. There are several GOP 128 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: candidates that are running for office. And you know, what 129 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: we know is that the GOP has just become an 130 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: extremist cult. There's like no way around it. You know. 131 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: I was watching another show that is on CNN. It's 132 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: a new like CNN series. I forget the guy's name, 133 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: but they're going around, you know, into different places and 134 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: doing like investigative reporting. And one of the first places 135 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: that he went to was Ghana to um to interview 136 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: these kind of you know, really incredible renegade journalists who 137 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: cover their faces changed their voices because they're unearthing all 138 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: of the corruption that is in the government and they 139 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: want Ghana, their their home country, to be corruption free. 140 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: And some of the journalists that are part of this 141 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: group have been assassinated. And you know, as he's talking 142 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: to them, and he's you know, illuminating like how the 143 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: slave trade started in this in this particular country in Africa, 144 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: and you know the fact that there were you had slaves, 145 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: slave quarters, you had atrocities that were happening in Ghana 146 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: and in this one particular area, these fun mentalist Christians 147 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: built a church in the middle of this prison slave 148 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: quarter area where they would worship as people are walking 149 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: around them covered in blood, bruises, in their own feces, 150 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: and these right wing fundamentalist Christian cult erected a church 151 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: in the center of it. And what the show said 152 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: was just like, there's nothing that you can say to 153 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: this other than the fact that this is a cult 154 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: because it's the Christian Church, has nothing to do with 155 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: African culture, and the fact that it was erected in 156 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: this place to condone acts of violence and torture and 157 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: rape is disgusting. Like who does this is what the 158 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: narrator saying. And then I look over the weekend and 159 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: I see little clips of you know, these GOP extremist 160 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: cult candidates, and there was this woman standing in front 161 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: of a sign that said guns, God and babies, and 162 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: one of the woke f Matthew, thank you so much 163 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: for sending it to me on Instagram. I was dumb struck. 164 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: But I'm like, when you look at these signs and 165 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: this is what these people are standing by and touting, 166 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: they are lunatics. And what is scary is that they're 167 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: not fringe like guns, God and babies. You don't care 168 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: about babies because one hundred and ninety two Republicans in 169 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: the House of Representatives voted against the production of baby formula. 170 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: And anybody who wants to come out and tell me like, oh, 171 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: that's not what they voted against, shut up, shut up. 172 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: They have vote it against the child tax credit. They 173 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: have voted against relief for families. So you want to 174 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: put up a sign for your election rally that is guns, babies, 175 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: and God, and that is supposed to make you a patriot. 176 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: You don't even understand God, That's what That's what gets 177 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 1: me about these people. They have no understanding of God whatsoever. Right, 178 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: they don't even understand the teachings of their own Bible. 179 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: That once again, like in nowhere did it say that 180 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: God is anti abortion? In nowhere did it say that 181 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: slavery is condoned in nowhere does? It's looks like these 182 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: white evangelical Christian people and their interpretation, in their interpretation 183 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: of religion, their interpretation of like how society should function, 184 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: it's through violence, threat, persecution, misogyny, and patriarchy. So they 185 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: may contin in you to make inroads, which they are doing, 186 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: but I'm telling you the only way that this ends 187 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: is through violence. And they have all the guns. So honestly, 188 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: without other countries intervening. When America does erupt into a 189 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: civil war, I don't know how this ends. But when 190 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: you have these people who want to talk about the 191 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: sanity of life, you're putting up a sign that says guns, 192 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: God and babies. Are you dumb? This is twenty five 193 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: percent of the population, and I'm wondering when the other 194 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: seventy five percent are going to wake up and take 195 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: action because something has to be done. 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I am beyond myself because I'm 227 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: hoping that this week, this week, Glenn, we may have 228 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: some actual good news to share for once, because the 229 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: last time you are on, I think we both left 230 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: and wanted to jump off of a cliff. But so 231 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: tell us where we are with the latest with the 232 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: one six House Committee, because we are getting close to 233 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: the June primetime reveal of their year plus of work. 234 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: So where are we right now? Yeah, you know, I 235 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: don't know that we can balance out the bad news, 236 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: but we're going to try. So. I wish I had 237 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: done a better job kind of communicating this in recent months, 238 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: because you know, we are forever you and I and others, Danielle, 239 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: we are forever frustrated because it feels like the Department 240 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: of Justice isn't doing enough, isn't moving quickly enough, isn't 241 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: going after the people who need to be indicted, if 242 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: only for public safety reasons, so Trump and company cannot 243 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: continue their crime spree. But here is the thing that 244 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: I think has come into full focus for me. So 245 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to start to beat this drum. We know 246 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: that the Department of Justice has just requested a thousand 247 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: transcripts from the J six Committee. That leads us to say, 248 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: why in the world is DJ taking a back seat 249 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: to the J six Committee in these important investigative interviews? 250 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: And that feels wrong, and it feels like DJ is negligent. Right, 251 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: But here is what I think we need to remember. 252 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: The J six Committee staff, the investigative staff is made 253 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 1: up almost exclusively by a former federal prosecutors. It is 254 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: headed the chief investigative counsel guy named Tim Heafee, former 255 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: colleague and friend of mine from the DCUs Attorney's Office, 256 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: is really one of the most adept rico prosecutors I know. 257 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 1: So what I'm confident of, Danielle is these thousand interviews 258 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: were put together by a team of dedicated, determined former 259 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: federal prosecutors. So it's almost like these thousand interviews could 260 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: have been run as grand jury interviews by the Department 261 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: of Justice and they're going to end up being justice 262 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: valuable to the ultimate criminal prosecution of Trump and company. 263 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: That should give us some comfort. The other reason that 264 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: I think this was I'm going to say, a smart 265 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: tactical move. If in fact what we're discussing is a 266 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: product of tactics and not happenstance. I think there's probably 267 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 1: both things at play in the way this investigation has progressed. 268 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: If the Department of Justice had taken the lead and 269 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: grand jury these thousand witnesses, you know what that would mean. 270 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: None of us would ever know anything that was said 271 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: in the grand jury by these thousand witnesses. We wouldn't 272 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: know on June ninth or June tenth, or in twenty 273 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: twenty three or in twenty twenty four. The only way 274 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: we would know what any of those thousand witnesses said 275 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: was if a criminal prosecution was brought and one or 276 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: more of those witnesses was called to testify in a 277 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: public trial, then we would get some little sliver of 278 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: what they said about the insurrection and Trump's culpability for 279 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: the insurrection. How frustrating would that be? Right? What we're 280 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: gonna now get to see courtesy of this I think 281 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: really important investigation that's been conducted by J six is 282 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: the full show through the eyes of the thousand witnesses 283 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: who were in the room or otherwise privy to Donald 284 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: Trump and Company's crimes. And we're getting the White House 285 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: photographer to boot right, and that's going to be. I'm 286 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 1: telling you a picture painting a thousand words. When Stephanie 287 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: Grisham said during the insurrection, Donald Trump was gleefully celebrating it. 288 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: I saw it. We're gonna now see also photographs and 289 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: perhaps video of Donald Trump gleefully celebrating the insurrection, according 290 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: to Grisham, hitting rewind with the good parts when they 291 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: were really beating people up, when they according to Stephanie Grisham, 292 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: when Trump's had looked there fighting for me for three hours, 293 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:32,239 Speaker 1: Donald Trump waged war against the democratic process and the 294 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: United States of America, and he refused to call it off. Danielle, 295 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna see that movie through the testimony of the 296 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: people who were in the room beginning June ninth, and 297 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: after we see it and we know there's enough evidence 298 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: to prove beyond a reasonable doubt Donald Trump's crimes. DJ 299 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: will have to indict. They will have to indict, or 300 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: they're giving our republic away and the legitimacy of the 301 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: Department of Justice will be gone. So the way this 302 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: has played out is not as bad as it's been 303 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: feeling to us. I guess my concern here, Glenn. Now, 304 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: at first I want to say This is good news. 305 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: This is some movement we've been looking to see if 306 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: the lights have been on inside of the Department of 307 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: Justice or if they've just been in a deep slumber. 308 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: This shows to me, Okay, somebody flipped the switch right, 309 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: because they're asking for these thousand documents, these thousand transcripts 310 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: of the interviews that we're done. However, I am really 311 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: cautious in getting myself excited because I have PTSD from 312 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: the Muller investigation. So can you give us some insight 313 00:21:54,000 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: into how this reveal come June may be different and 314 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: or the same from what we saw with the muel Report. 315 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: Now I pray to God that there is nothing other 316 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: than it being in the same room that's the same 317 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: from the Muller report. But what what What are we 318 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: going to be looking for? What are you going to 319 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: be looking for as we gear up for this next month? 320 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: You know, I'm with you, Danielle. This is the curse 321 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: of being the eternal optimist. Because our heads hurt from 322 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: having the rug pulled out from under us while we're 323 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,959 Speaker 1: standing on it so many times and having our heads 324 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, crack on the basement, and we're tired of it. 325 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: So I'm with you that we shouldn't get our hopes up, 326 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: we should manage our own expectations. But you know, the 327 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: Mueller Report fell flat because Bill Barr lied about it 328 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: and did not let the mechanisms of government do what 329 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: should have been done once Bob Mueller documented ten obstruction 330 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: of justice crimes by Donald Trump, right, and we had 331 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: Judge Reggie Walton, a personal favorite of mine, who said 332 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: Bill Barr spun the Mother Report and deceive the American people, 333 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: and Bill Barr lacks candor. Those are Judge Walton's words, 334 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: not mine. And that's why I'm not all that excited 335 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 1: about Bill Barr's supposed appearance before J six. I do 336 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,959 Speaker 1: think this is going to be different because there is 337 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: no Bill Barr in a position of power to tank 338 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: the J six committee hearings or findings or report that 339 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: will be issued. That has me optimistic. I'm also optimistic 340 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: because we've all seen these congressional hearings that make us 341 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: sick to our stomachs, because you have the Democrats who 342 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: are interested in getting reliable information out, and then you've 343 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: got the yammering idiots like Jim Jordan and Gomer and 344 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: the rest of them just sat and spouting their garbage 345 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: and their propaganda and their disinformation. Right, that is not 346 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: what this hearing will be. This hearing will be everyone 347 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: in the room who has a microphone, even if they're 348 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger on the same patriotic page. 349 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: And that is what's going to make it so compelling. 350 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: I really do believe it's going to be compelling. Now. 351 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: The fact that we may see a compelling movie over 352 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 1: the course of some eight hearings or however many are scheduled, 353 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: doesn't translate into accountability necessarily. But I also think once 354 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: we see with our own eyes the damaging evidence that 355 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: shows we can prove Trump's crimes beyond a reasonable doubt. 356 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: As I say, if the Department of Justice cares at 357 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:52,880 Speaker 1: all about the viability of our democracy, they must indict 358 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: after that. And let's face it, what they announced. We 359 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: need these transcripts because we have a criminal investigation into 360 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: all things insurrection, taking liberties with the precise language, and 361 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: that's why we want them. And you know what, Benny Thompson, 362 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 1: God bless him, said, you know what, I'm not crazy 363 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: about giving you our work product. If I were him, 364 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: and I know I got our kid from Jersey. I 365 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: probably would have stooped a little bit. I would have 366 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: said yes, and we referred to you crimes against Congress 367 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: months ago. You know what we would like We would 368 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: like you to prosecute the contempt of Congress, that we 369 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: are victims of we in Congress, and that we would 370 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: really need to progress in our investigation. How about you 371 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 1: give us a little something. He didn't say that, but 372 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: he did flex his coequal branch of government muscle and said, 373 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: thank you. This is our work product. We have hearings 374 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: coming up. We'll get back to you on Matt and 375 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: ultimately these transcripts are gonna go over. If I were 376 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: Representative Thompson, I might say, you know, I expect there 377 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: will be subpoena's forthcoming for these transcripts that will give 378 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: them some cover, because I don't think I want Congress ever, 379 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: cowtowing to the Department of Justice is coequal branch of government, 380 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: the executive and just say oh, oh, you're asking for stuff. 381 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: Here you go, here you go, because then you get 382 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: a corrupt Republican administration. Right, They're gonna say, oh, well, 383 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: you gave everything over when they asked previously so this 384 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: is representative Thompson being smart and circumspect and doing the 385 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: right thing. But ultimately it's all going to go over 386 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 1: and ultimately indictments are going to drop. I mean, I 387 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 1: hope that you're right, Glenn. We already know that Eastman 388 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: has been indicted, right, we have that indictment down. We 389 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: know Eastman hasn't been indicted. Eastman hasn't been indicted, He's 390 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: only been investigated. He's been investigated, and that California judge 391 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 1: said that there was criminal it primes by a preponderance 392 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: of the evidence. But we're still awaiting an Eastman indictment. 393 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean, do you think God, at the pace that 394 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: this is going, that the Department of Justice's plan is 395 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: to drop justice series of indictments all at the same time, because, 396 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, for the love of God, Glenn, we knew 397 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: that Eastman literally was the architect with the PowerPoint presentation 398 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: several months ago, right enough for it to go before 399 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: California judged. So tell me what you think if we 400 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: believe that the Department of Justice is actually lights on 401 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: and working, what does it look like in terms of 402 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: we go through these hearings, these public hearings, the world 403 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: watches and then what the Department of Justice waits for 404 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: the cameras to cut and then goes ahead and begins 405 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: the parade of indictments. That it depends on what DOJ 406 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: has been doing behind the scenes that we don't know about. 407 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: And the one thing I can guarantee you is there's 408 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: been a lot going on behind the scenes that we 409 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: don't know about. And that's ordinarily how grand jury investigations 410 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: are run, and we don't know about them until indictments 411 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: are unsealed and made public. What we ordinarily try to do, Danielle, 412 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: in large conspiracy cases. And I may have handled part 413 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: of the largest RICO conspiracy case ever brought in the 414 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: courts of Washington, DC, as did Tim Geefee. He was 415 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: on the same RICO case the Chief Investigative Council of 416 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: J six. But it was like a drop in the 417 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: ocean as compared to what DJ is contending with on 418 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: the insurrection front. But what we ordinarily try to do 419 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: is we try to do a coordinated takedown. What does 420 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: that mean. It means we will put as many people 421 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: into a joint indictment and indict them all at the 422 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: same time and coordinate simultaneous search warrants on all of 423 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: their homes and businesses and any other place over which 424 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: they have exclusive control at the same time, because what 425 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: we don't want to do is piecemeal lock people up, 426 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: because once you lock one person up, that has a 427 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: ripple effect, and lots of other people who are complicit 428 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: in the crimes will start to try to destroy evidence, 429 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: will start to try to tamper with witnesses. That's why 430 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: we do and all at once coordinated takedown by indicting 431 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: them all together in the same indictment, coordinating simultaneous search warrants, 432 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: literally dozens, if not hundreds of them, and that's when 433 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: the criminal cases get rolling. The only reason we would 434 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: leave people out of that kind of an indictment who 435 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: have criminal culpability for the conspiracy to commit offenses against 436 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: the United States is if they were either cooperating or 437 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: if we thought we could get more out of them 438 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: by leaving them out and threatening appropriately a future indictment 439 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: against them. So these are massive tactical decisions, and we 440 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: have operational meetings Danielle over and over and over again 441 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: as the evidentiary landscape develops and changes, and then we 442 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: make the decision Okay, it's takedown time. Let's go, and 443 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: that's when we will take them all down at one time, 444 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: or as many as it makes tactical sense to take 445 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: down at one time. How difficult, Glenn, do you think that? 446 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean again, let me let me just you know, 447 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: play with a little mustard seat of oape for a moment. 448 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: What do you think it would look like the day 449 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: that an indictment comes down for Donald Trump? Like? What 450 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: what I mean? Look at it? Look at both of 451 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 1: our faces are like large smiles and gleeful. Yeah, I know, 452 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: but I'm just curious as because we've never seen this, 453 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: We've never seen something like this happen, right, So what 454 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: like just if you can and I know you don't 455 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: know for sure either, but what would it look like? 456 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: You know, all hell would break loose. What I'm confident 457 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: of is the Department of Justice and the primary law 458 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: enforcement component responsible for executing search warrants, the US Marshall's Service, 459 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: would manage a massive takedown pretty darn well, not perfectly, 460 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: because there is nothing but uncertainty in these kind of takedowns, 461 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: but you know, it would be a massive media explosion 462 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: around the world, and then we would probably spend literally 463 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: the next year to two years tracking all of the 464 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: court cases and the developments. Who's pleading guilty, who's agreeing 465 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: to cooperate against and it would I'm telling you, once 466 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: somebody shows up at your door at six am, which 467 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: is the ordinary, you know, time for search warrants to 468 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: be executed. We like to catch them sleepy, catch them 469 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: napping before they know it's so. Yeah, we know that 470 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: once those cuffs go on, the landscape changes. It tends 471 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: to focus the mind of particularly these weak men and 472 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: women who are trying to undermine our democracy. And you're 473 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: going to see them dropping like flies, running to the 474 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: courthouse steps, running to the prosecutor's office to try to 475 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: cooperate to minimize their exposure to prison. So all hell 476 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: will break loose. And I can't wait for that day 477 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: to come, because as I sit here, I can envision 478 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: that day not coming, because then we're done. Then, ye 479 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean you said that, I believe it. I have 480 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: said the same thing. Last question for you, and this 481 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: is to transition off of the insurrection. I just want 482 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on the Buffalo massacre. And you 483 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: know you and I post the uprising in Wisconsin where 484 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse drove across two states within aar fifteen, shot 485 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: and killed two protesters, wounding a third in Kenosha. He 486 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: later was acquitted. Right he was, he was let off 487 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: by a federal judge who basically pat him on the 488 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: head and said, you know, all sun was just out 489 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: there protecting property and doing the right thing. I've been thinking, Glenn, 490 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: and you're I'm not a lawyer, so that I ask 491 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: you tell me what is the difference right between a 492 00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: buffalo white supremacist terrorist driving two hundred miles to shoot 493 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: and kill ten black people ranging an age from thirty 494 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: all the way to eighty six years old, to kill 495 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: them in cold blood. The only difference I can see 496 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: is that Kyle Rittenhouse didn't write a manifesto. So we 497 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: just like needing in the rule of law for these people, 498 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: the people that commit heinous crimes, to then confess them 499 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: in a manifesto for them to be convicted. So, you know, 500 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse, these are actually I think significantly different cases 501 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:39,479 Speaker 1: given the way the facts as we know them played out. 502 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: I do think they were both hate and racist inspired 503 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: acts of violence. But you know what we saw on 504 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: the during the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. We saw a video 505 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: tape and there was testimony which is admissible and can 506 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: be accepted by the jury of people trying to I 507 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: hate to use the word attack Kyle Rittenhouse, because there 508 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: are attacks that are offensive and there are attacks that 509 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: are defense trying to protect oneself. But it was up 510 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: to the jury to decide whether these people who were attacking, 511 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: who were using physical force against Kyle Rittenhouse, were doing 512 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: that to try to protect others from Kyle Rittenhouse's violence, right, 513 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: or we're just you know, nasty people trying to attack 514 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse because they didn't like him or whatever. And 515 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: that decision was handed to the jury. And what I 516 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: think the jury concluded was, I can't rule out self 517 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: defense beyond a reasonable doubt. I may have some I 518 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: may hate who Kyle Rittenhouse is, what he stands for, 519 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,040 Speaker 1: what he did, but I can't rule out to nearly 520 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: one hundred percent certainty beyond a reasonable doubt that maybe 521 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: there is some lingering self defense angle here. So you know, 522 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: the not guilty verdict was not an embrace of what 523 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: he did. I think it was an application of the 524 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: rule of law and the evidentiary standard to what the 525 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: prosecutor and the defense attorneys presented to the jury. I 526 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: see that as different and what happened in Buffalo. So 527 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: but but these both of these, because what happened in Buffalo. 528 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 1: You know, this guy calls himself I'm an eco eco. 529 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm not an eco, not an eco terrorist, I'm an 530 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: eco fascist. I'm an eco fascist, or I'm an Ethno 531 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: nationalist or I don't care what fancy terms you put 532 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: in front of your name. You're a racist murderer, period, 533 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: and that's what you will be shown to be in 534 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 1: a court of law because he has no defense. I 535 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: think he was proud of his intempt, his attempt to 536 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: kill as many black folks stream Day was proud of it. 537 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: But here is what this is a product of there, 538 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: and this is what's got me so flip and frustrated. 539 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: We need a whole of government approach to two things. 540 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: America sits right now stubbornly at the intersection of uncontrolled, 541 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: unrestricted access to assault rifles and weapons of war and uncontrolled, 542 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 1: unrestricted hate speech on our public airwaves and our social 543 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: media platforms. Hate speech, if not designed to incite imminent violence, 544 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 1: certainly likely to incite imminent violence. We sit at that crossroads, 545 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: and Danielle, our government seems to do nothing about it, 546 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,280 Speaker 1: which is a prescription for another buffalo and another buffalo 547 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 1: and another buffalo. If we don't do something about it, 548 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: why cannot we take a whole whole of government approach 549 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: where we do three things, and I want to focus 550 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: on just one of the three. We regulate, we legislate, 551 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: and then when our regulations and our legislation is attacked, 552 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: we litigate, We go into court, and we defend it. 553 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 1: If I was the president, which I will never be 554 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: because I'll never run for public office, and if I did, 555 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't get elected. I would never stop signing executive orders, 556 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 1: one hundred executive orders in one hundred days designed to 557 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: get at that dual evil of unrestricted gun access and 558 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: unrestricted hate speech likely to incite violence. And I would 559 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,800 Speaker 1: get my smart much smarter than me, constitutional people around 560 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: me saying, how can I craft an executive order that 561 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,920 Speaker 1: gets at these two things that will pass constitutional muster 562 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: so I can go into court and defend it. And 563 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: I would do one hundred executive orders in one hundred days. 564 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 1: I would go on the offense. I would go scorched earth. 565 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 1: Let the Republicans. I would flood the zone with good. 566 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,320 Speaker 1: Let the Republicans come into court and try to challenge 567 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: the good I'm trying to do, not only one hundred 568 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: executive orders in one hundred days, Daniel, I would task 569 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: every single government agency in the executive branch that has 570 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 1: any little bit of a dog in the public safety fight. 571 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: And you know there are more executive branch agencies than 572 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: you can shake a stick at, right. I mean, if 573 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: you went to the Department of Justice, the Department of Defense, Commerce, Labor, Energy, Education, FCC, SCC, 574 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: the Consumer Protection Boards, and there are another dozen. And 575 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: I task each agency with, give me one, maybe two 576 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: regulations that are designed to get it unrestricted access to 577 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 1: weapons of war and unrestricted hate speech likely to incite 578 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: imminent violence. Give me those regulations, and we're going to 579 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: regulate the crack is just. And then we're going to 580 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 1: go into court when the Republicans come in because we 581 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,280 Speaker 1: flooded the zone with good and they challenge our regulations 582 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: just like they're going to challenge our executive orders, and 583 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: we're going to defend them. And you know what, We're 584 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: gonna win so many of those court cases, and we 585 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: will have done good for the American people. And you 586 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: know what, the cases that we lose, the judiciary is 587 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: going to say, look, Executive Branch, I appreciate what you 588 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: were trying to do, but here's where you stepped your 589 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:25,839 Speaker 1: toe over the constitutional line. Then we go back, we retool, 590 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: We take that information and that ruling from the court 591 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: about how we got it a little wrong, and we 592 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: do it right, and we Repromilgate and we let the 593 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 1: Republicans bring us into court again and we defended. We said, 594 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: we heard you, judge, we got it right this time. 595 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: Let's go Why can't we regulate, legislate, and litigate and 596 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: go scorched earth flooding the zone with good instead of 597 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: just letting the Republicans flood the zone? Why? Why? I 598 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: I just wish we could get an answer to the question, 599 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,480 Speaker 1: because all of that can be done, all of that 600 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: can be Glenn. That has to be your next viral video. 601 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: It has to be, because it's like, at this point, 602 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,399 Speaker 1: I cannot listen in all honesty to another speech of 603 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: Joe Biden shaking his finger and telling me white supremacy 604 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: is poison and then getting on Air Force one and 605 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: saying you all hold each other in prayer and doing 606 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,839 Speaker 1: not a goddamn thing Like I literally cannot watch him 607 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 1: or Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer one more time admonish 608 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: people and try and shame people that are shameless. So 609 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: I hope that that is your next video. Glenn as always, 610 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 1: thank you so much for walking us through all of 611 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: this legal lease, and I hope, I hope that when 612 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: we talk next week we have more good ish news 613 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: to offer the people with regard to where the one 614 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,839 Speaker 1: six commission as we make the march to June goes. Yeah, 615 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,720 Speaker 1: Junine is coming. There will be more light and darkness 616 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,279 Speaker 1: once June nine hits, and then we just have to 617 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: stay after it. Yeah, I appreciate you. Thanks, Danielle, Hey, 618 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm David Plots of Slates Political Gabfest. 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