WEBVTT - First Messenger From an Alien Star

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey are you welcome to stuff to

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<v Speaker 1>Blow your Mind? My name is Robert lamp and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Joe McCormick, and gather ye round because I am about

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<v Speaker 1>to tell a tale of space. Ah well, let's do

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<v Speaker 1>it of space and discovery. So on October nineteenth of

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<v Speaker 1>this year, of a telescope on a mountain in Hawaii

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<v Speaker 1>caught sight of something very strange passing through the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>The telescope was the pan STARS one, which stands for

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<v Speaker 1>Panoramic Survey Telescope and Rapid Response System and it's part

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<v Speaker 1>of the High Altitude Observatory on holliakla of Volcano on

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<v Speaker 1>the island of Maui. Robert, have you been to Hawaii?

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been. Yes, I have been once in the

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<v Speaker 1>past and actually looking to go back this year. Can

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<v Speaker 1>did you climb a volcano? I went into a volcano.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I went to Volcano National Park on the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Island, burned alive and it was reborn. Yeah. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so so picture yourself up on one of these, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Gravelly big craters, the Big Shield volcano. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>pan stars program is a system of telescopes, cameras, computers

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<v Speaker 1>that are designed to monitor the sky continuously for signs

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<v Speaker 1>of variable objects. Now, there might be new discoveries of

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<v Speaker 1>near Earth asteroids or comets, or there might be like

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<v Speaker 1>small minor moons of big planets like Jupiter Saturn that

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<v Speaker 1>they discover, or they might be looking at other features

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<v Speaker 1>of the sky that move or change over time. And

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<v Speaker 1>on October nineteenth, pan Stars one caught a glimpse of

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<v Speaker 1>something that was indeed moving incredibly fast. Immediately they enlisted

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<v Speaker 1>the help of other observatories like E. S O S

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<v Speaker 1>very large telescope in Chile. And at first what the

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<v Speaker 1>scientists thought they saw with a comet. Now, to remind

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<v Speaker 1>you on basic Solar system geology, and asteroid is a

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<v Speaker 1>small object made of primarily rock and metal, and a

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<v Speaker 1>comet is a small object made primarily of dust and ice.

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<v Speaker 1>And asteroids were generally formed closer to the Sun where

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<v Speaker 1>volatile compounds like H two O would melt or evaporate,

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<v Speaker 1>and comets were generally formed farther away from the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>where water would freeze. So they have this new object,

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<v Speaker 1>they think it's probably a comet. And because they thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was a comet. It got the designated designation see

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<v Speaker 1>slash you one see for comet. So the scientists who

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<v Speaker 1>discovered it enlisted the help of other of other telescopes

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<v Speaker 1>and other scientists, and analysis revealed the path of the object,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a truly unique one. Pretty Much everything

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<v Speaker 1>in our Solar System orbits on a relatively flat plane,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's because most of the stuff in the Solar

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<v Speaker 1>System was formed out of the same original stellar accretion

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<v Speaker 1>disk four and a half to five billion years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>If you make a model of the movement of objects

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<v Speaker 1>in the Solar System, the angle of their orbital tilt

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<v Speaker 1>with respect to the reference plane of Earth's orbit is

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<v Speaker 1>known as their orbital inclination. Now, most planets are within

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<v Speaker 1>just a few degrees of us. All the planets are

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<v Speaker 1>relatively flat, except Pluto. Pluto is a good bit more

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<v Speaker 1>tilted than the others, with an inclination of a little

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<v Speaker 1>over seventeen degrees, so it's sort of tipped like a hat.

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<v Speaker 1>But the inclination of this new object, discovered in October

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<v Speaker 1>is off the charts. It is a hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three degrees according to the JPL data on it. That

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<v Speaker 1>means if you were to look at a model of

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<v Speaker 1>the Solar System lying flat on a table with all

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<v Speaker 1>the orbits, you know, they're they're flat down on the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>This thing would be approaching the system from above, not

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<v Speaker 1>quite straight down, but close to it, sort of dive

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<v Speaker 1>bombing right through the middle of our galactic neighborhood. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you might normally see that kind of orbital inclination in

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<v Speaker 1>long period comets originating in the Ort cloud, but not

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<v Speaker 1>in planets or asteroids, whose orbits are generally pretty flat.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing to wonder. You're you're imagining this

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<v Speaker 1>thing dive bombing down into the Solar System. Where did

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<v Speaker 1>it cross the plane right? Was it somewhere out near Jupiter? Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>it was booking right past the Sun. This object pierced

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<v Speaker 1>inside the orbit of Mercury, the planet closest to the Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>passing within twenty of the distance between the Sun and

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth. So it was less than a quarter of

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<v Speaker 1>one astronomical unit. And of course, when you pass that

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<v Speaker 1>close to the Sun, the Sun's massive gravity, well really

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<v Speaker 1>takes a bite out of your trajectory. And so because

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<v Speaker 1>they knew that this had happened, the scientists were able

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<v Speaker 1>to construct a model of the object's path. Now, if

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<v Speaker 1>you look at some of these maps of what the

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<v Speaker 1>objects path looked like zoomed into the scale of the

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<v Speaker 1>inner Solar System, it looks sort of like the object

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<v Speaker 1>barrels past the Sun and then begins to bend in

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<v Speaker 1>its trajectory like a bow. But if you zoom way

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<v Speaker 1>out to a map the scale of the orbit of Neptune, say,

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<v Speaker 1>the trajectory suddenly looks instead like a giant letter V.

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<v Speaker 1>It's straight down to the Sun, sharp turn, then straight

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<v Speaker 1>back out of the Solar System, as if it's slingshotted

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<v Speaker 1>off of the Sun. Yeah. Now, you might see other

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<v Speaker 1>comets with like largely eccentric orbits. You know, a comet

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<v Speaker 1>has an eccentric orbit when it's not very circular, when

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<v Speaker 1>it's like this crazy oval shape that comes really close

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<v Speaker 1>to the Sun and then goes way far back out

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<v Speaker 1>into space. Um. But you don't usually see this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of shape. So so once you know how close it

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<v Speaker 1>recently passed to the Sun, you should know something else

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<v Speaker 1>about it. If it were a comet, you'd expect to

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<v Speaker 1>see what commentary activity he would expect to see it

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<v Speaker 1>acting like a comet. The tail of the comet for instance. Exactly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So a comet is made of volatile stuff. It's made

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<v Speaker 1>of gas and dust and water, um, and so it's

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<v Speaker 1>frozen into this dirty snowball, this chunk of ice. And

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<v Speaker 1>when a comet gets close to the sun, it starts

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<v Speaker 1>to warm up and thaw out. And for a comet,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, warming up and thaw out in tails, the

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<v Speaker 1>release of gas and dust, uh, the coma, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the cloud of this haze of dust and gas that

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<v Speaker 1>surrounds the comets nucleus. And then as you mentioned, the tails.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually two types of tails can show up, the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the dust tail dragging behind the comet, and the gas

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<v Speaker 1>or the ion tail being blown away from the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>by the solar wind. So we've got this weird trajectory

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<v Speaker 1>on this crazy commet. And they look for the commentary

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<v Speaker 1>activity to look for the tail. They look for the coma,

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<v Speaker 1>the gas, the dust, nothing. Astronomers didn't see any of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They found that it was pretty much completely inert with

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<v Speaker 1>no dust or anything around it. So whatever it was,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not made of ice and dust, and so

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't a comet. So instead they decided to reclassify

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<v Speaker 1>this I think was about a week after the discovery

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<v Speaker 1>or so, so this would still be like late oct

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<v Speaker 1>over probably they reclassified it as an asteroid a slash

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<v Speaker 1>you won. Now earlier we mentioned this thing was moving

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<v Speaker 1>really fast. How fast is that? Well, at its fastest,

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<v Speaker 1>this would be when it was sling shotting right around

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun at its parahelion on September nine of this year.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were able to sort of like take what

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<v Speaker 1>they knew about it and chart the back course that

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<v Speaker 1>had come from. They didn't see it at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>but they knew what it had done by modeling it.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, it was going a hundred and ninety

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<v Speaker 1>six thousand miles per hour or eight seven point three

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<v Speaker 1>kilometers per second. That is pretty fast. And looking at

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<v Speaker 1>this speed and at the angle of its trajectory compared

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<v Speaker 1>to other objects like long period comets, you start to

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<v Speaker 1>notice something different. Most objects that passed near the Sun

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<v Speaker 1>bend around the Sun in this elliptical path, indicating they

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<v Speaker 1>might go way back out into deep space and they

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<v Speaker 1>might have this really great orbital eccentricity, but you give

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<v Speaker 1>them long enough and they'll be back to pass around

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun again. They're locked in orbit this new object,

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<v Speaker 1>no dice, no orbit. It came from deep space, bent

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<v Speaker 1>around the gravity well of our Sun, and then left

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<v Speaker 1>for deep space again, and it won't be coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm reminded of are these videos that you see

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<v Speaker 1>of streakers taking to a major sporting event, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>where they just make a bee line onto the field

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<v Speaker 1>and then they're almost immediately chased off the field or tackled.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, the streaker was not tackled, but got

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<v Speaker 1>in did this, put on their phenomenal show, and made

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<v Speaker 1>a break from it. Yeah, it's perfect. It's a space streaker. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when you have an orbital path like this, or I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's not an orbital path, Normally an orbital path,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have some kind of elliptical pattern, but this is

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<v Speaker 1>what's known as a hyperbolic trajectory. It forms a hyperbola,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's not gonna loop back around. It just bends

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<v Speaker 1>around and then goes off on its own way. So

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<v Speaker 1>scientists have realized that that makes this object totally unique

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of astronomy. This is the first definite

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed sighting of an interstellar object in our Solar System.

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<v Speaker 1>It's from somewhere else and Thus, instead of being a

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<v Speaker 1>slash you one and we'll get to a better name

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<v Speaker 1>in a minute, it became one I seen you won

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<v Speaker 1>I for interstellar. This object ripping through our Solar system

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<v Speaker 1>came from deep interstellar space, and before that it almost

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<v Speaker 1>definitely came from another star. And we've never seen anything

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<v Speaker 1>like this before. Now, of course, the important caveat here

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<v Speaker 1>is is we have never seen it right. And then,

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<v Speaker 1>of course we have to take into account the very

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<v Speaker 1>small portion of time during which humans have been observing

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<v Speaker 1>the cosmos with this degree of detail exactly right, And

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<v Speaker 1>there might be other objects like this that have passed

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<v Speaker 1>before us, even when we've had telescopes. We just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>catch them. Because this thing is very small and very

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<v Speaker 1>far away and moving very fast, and the direction that

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<v Speaker 1>it's moving very fast in is currently a retreat from Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>So it came kind of close to us, and now

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<v Speaker 1>it's going and in within some short amount of time

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<v Speaker 1>our telescopes won't be able to see it anymore. I

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<v Speaker 1>think one of the amazing things about this story is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's exciting on the astronomer astronomer level, Like like

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<v Speaker 1>astronomers and scientists are excited about this, Uh, this ongoing study,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, outside commentators, um, the science media and beyond

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<v Speaker 1>are also excited about it, but all for good reason,

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<v Speaker 1>Like like, it's not some sort of like geeky level

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<v Speaker 1>of astronomy excitement that one would need to be just

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<v Speaker 1>really in depth in the field to get. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>not something that the journalists have to blow out of

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<v Speaker 1>proportion in order to to to make extremely fascinating. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it gets weirder. It's gonna get weirder. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we should take a break and then when we come

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<v Speaker 1>back we can discuss in what ways it gets weirder

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<v Speaker 1>than Alright, we're back. So first the good news. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to keep calling it the objects that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably use that a little bit. And we definitely don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to keep calling it one I slash you one.

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<v Speaker 1>It has a regular name now as the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>regular Yes, yes, it is called Oma, which has a

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<v Speaker 1>nice ring to it, and it feels comforting somehow, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not frightening. We'll tell me about the name Robert, all right. So, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Muama is Hawaiian for something that is a quote scout

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<v Speaker 1>or messenger sent from the distant past to reach out

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<v Speaker 1>to us. Yeah, I've seen it translated occasionally as first Messenger. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So this name was chosen in a consultation with Hawaiian

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<v Speaker 1>language expert Cayu Kimura and Larry Kimura. Uh And in

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<v Speaker 1>this uh word oh means reach out for and uh

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<v Speaker 1>mua with the can mua placing emphasis means first in

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<v Speaker 1>advance of, So it's like first first Reacher Outer. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The Pan Stars Discovery team chose the name, but they

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<v Speaker 1>reportedly referred to it at first as Rama uh in

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<v Speaker 1>a reference to the nineteen seventy three Arthur C. Clark

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<v Speaker 1>science fiction novel Rendezvous with Rama, which I have still

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<v Speaker 1>yet to read. I think I have a paperback copy

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<v Speaker 1>of it, but it's a It's a major science fiction

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<v Speaker 1>classic I've only been trying to make a movie out

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<v Speaker 1>of for years. I think um Morgan Freeman I believe

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<v Speaker 1>was attached to it. But it's set in the thirties

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<v Speaker 1>and concerns a fifty kilometer or thirty one miles cylindrical

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<v Speaker 1>alien starship that enters earth solar system, and the fictional

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<v Speaker 1>ship was in turn named for the Hindu god Rama,

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<v Speaker 1>a major deity and central character in the Hindu epic.

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<v Speaker 1>The Ramayana. So already you can see what type of

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<v Speaker 1>excitement was attached to this by the scientists. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's kind of ominous. So they're they're naming

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<v Speaker 1>it after a spaceship. Surely that doesn't mean they actually

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was a spaceship. Well that's that's the interesting

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<v Speaker 1>thing because when you start looking at some of the

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<v Speaker 1>characteristics of this object um, you can't help but begin

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<v Speaker 1>to make those connections. Like you can try and fight

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<v Speaker 1>it off, you can. You can imagine a scientist saying, down,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think about as a spaceship. Don't don't get

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<v Speaker 1>your hopes up, don't get don't get all riled up

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<v Speaker 1>about this possibly being a spaceship. But when you start

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the bullet points, you can't help but think

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<v Speaker 1>this could be a spaceship, could be it. This is

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<v Speaker 1>what you know. I kept feeling is like, we're responsible

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<v Speaker 1>science communicators. It's not aliens, but it is kind of weird. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so we will we'll talk about that more later. We

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<v Speaker 1>should discuss what the characteristics of Omama are. So before

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery of Omama, astronomers knew about approximately seven and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand asteroids and comets in our Solar system, and

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<v Speaker 1>as far as we can tell, every single one of

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<v Speaker 1>those objects originated here in the local Solar system. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the only object from anywhere else that we know

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<v Speaker 1>about that we've ever seen locally. So it provides us

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<v Speaker 1>with this tremendous opportunity to learn about the geology of

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<v Speaker 1>other star systems and what's out there in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>interstellar objects. So this is the first one we've ever

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<v Speaker 1>been able to see up close. Yeah, if it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a and it's probably not a message, a literal messenger

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<v Speaker 1>from another star system, it is figuratively a messager from

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<v Speaker 1>another star system. It is information from another star system,

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<v Speaker 1>bringing us a very brief opportunity to catch a glimpse

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<v Speaker 1>of what research potential is out there. So the scientists

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<v Speaker 1>who discovered it and analyzed it, they published their findings

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<v Speaker 1>in Nature in November. It was a paper called quote

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<v Speaker 1>A Brief Visit from a red and extremely elongated interstellar Asteroid,

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<v Speaker 1>and the research was led by Dr Karen Meach and

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<v Speaker 1>astronomer at the University of Hawaii. So let's discuss some

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<v Speaker 1>of the facts we've learned so far about Omumua. First,

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<v Speaker 1>the size, the object is very small. The authors of

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<v Speaker 1>the Nature paper determined it has an average radius of

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<v Speaker 1>just over a hundred meters. But so you're thinking radius

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred meters. Okay, maybe it's a two hundred meter

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<v Speaker 1>wide sphere, But the shape of the thing is not

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<v Speaker 1>a sphere. The shape is one of the weirdest things

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<v Speaker 1>about it. You might wonder, how do you figure out

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<v Speaker 1>the shape of something that's so small and so far

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<v Speaker 1>away and traveling through space at lightning speed, Like, shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>it just be a blurry streak in the sky. That

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<v Speaker 1>is true, that is sort of what it is if

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<v Speaker 1>you see the direct images we've been able to capture

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<v Speaker 1>of its just kind of a streak on a screen.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can start to analyze what the shape of

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<v Speaker 1>this object is like by looking at something called light

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<v Speaker 1>curve charts. Now, a light curve model is a graph

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<v Speaker 1>that shows the intensity of light measured coming from an

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<v Speaker 1>object over time, and by analyzing patterns of reflected light

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<v Speaker 1>over time, scientists can start to figure out the shape

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<v Speaker 1>and the and the rotation sation of an object like this.

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<v Speaker 1>And what they discovered about this object about O Muamua

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<v Speaker 1>is that it appears to have a roughly ten to

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<v Speaker 1>one length to width and depth ratio. So imagine a

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<v Speaker 1>roughly cylindrical or tube shaped object ten times longer than

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<v Speaker 1>it is wide. According to a NASA write up, I

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<v Speaker 1>found it could be maybe about a quarter of a

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<v Speaker 1>mile long, So that's up to about four hundred meters

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<v Speaker 1>And if so, that would mean it's only about forty

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<v Speaker 1>meters wide. So we have a long, slender space cigar

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<v Speaker 1>redition color this this needle from another star. We should

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<v Speaker 1>point out that this is not a normal shape for

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<v Speaker 1>space objects. We don't know other asteroids are not like this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you see the images that have been put out

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<v Speaker 1>there of of of this particular object, the first thing

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<v Speaker 1>that enters your mind is this is not something you

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<v Speaker 1>see in uh in, in typical illustrations of the cosmos.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it looks more like something you would see

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<v Speaker 1>in a science fiction film. Yeah, exactly. So. Analysis reveals

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<v Speaker 1>also in terms of its rotation, that it's what's known

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<v Speaker 1>as tumbling. This means it's rotating not around a principal axis,

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<v Speaker 1>but just sort of spinning crazily around an irregular axis

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<v Speaker 1>once every seven point three hours. Now, by looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the spectrum of light coming off of the thing. They've

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<v Speaker 1>been able to determine that this thing is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a deep red coloration on its surface, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is similar to some objects in our Solar System that

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<v Speaker 1>have seen heavy bombardment by cosmic rays. Looking at its trajectory,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we should ask where's it going. It's already

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<v Speaker 1>on its way back out of the Solar System, heading

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<v Speaker 1>out from the Sun about at an angle of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>degrees up off the orbital plane, so it's going away

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<v Speaker 1>from the Sun and then up at an angle off

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<v Speaker 1>of the orbital disk of all the planets, and this

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<v Speaker 1>puts it on a heading for the Pegasus constellation. It

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<v Speaker 1>passed the orbit of Mars at the beginning of November,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to pass the orbit of Jupiter by

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<v Speaker 1>mayen and then saturned by early twenty nineteen. So once

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<v Speaker 1>again it's booking. And this does present kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>problem because like, what if we wanted to send a

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<v Speaker 1>space mission out to meet it, you know, send a

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<v Speaker 1>send a probe to go land on this thing. That's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be a real tough order. You'd have to put

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<v Speaker 1>together some kind of propulsion system capable of achieving speeds

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<v Speaker 1>unlike anything we've ever done before. You would need a

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<v Speaker 1>real crack team of of scientists and explorers to to

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<v Speaker 1>tackle this kind of problem. Yeah, it would be really

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<v Speaker 1>hard to catch this thing. Uh So, so it's heading

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<v Speaker 1>out towards Pegasus and it's going really fast. The other

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<v Speaker 1>side of that question is where did it come from.

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<v Speaker 1>Scientists currently think that it's been flying through interstellar space

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<v Speaker 1>for probably hundreds of millions of years before it entered

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<v Speaker 1>our solar system. Uh And on its approach trajectory, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like it was coming from roughly the direction of

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<v Speaker 1>the large STARV Vega in the constellation Lira. But this

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean it came from the Vegas system because this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the most disorienting things about space. So

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to remember that our view of the night

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<v Speaker 1>sky is moving, so from our perspective, something that came

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<v Speaker 1>from Vega, say a few hundred thousand years ago, if

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<v Speaker 1>if it would have been a hundred a few hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago where Vega is now, Vega wasn't there

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. So wait, are you saying that the

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<v Speaker 1>age of the object would be in the hundred million

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<v Speaker 1>year range or the hundred thousand year range. Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know for sure, but I've seen it speculated that

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<v Speaker 1>it it has been drifting. It has existed and been

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<v Speaker 1>drifting for maybe hundreds of millions of years, but that

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<v Speaker 1>about three hundred thousand years ago, say it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been about where Vega is, but about where Vega is now,

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<v Speaker 1>about not where Vega was then. So ultimately we don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know its origin yet. But I just saw there

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<v Speaker 1>is a paper out that's on on pre publication servers

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<v Speaker 1>right now, so it's on archive dot org, a paper

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<v Speaker 1>by Simon's vart at All that discusses three theories about

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<v Speaker 1>where this object came from. So one of the theories

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's actually a Kuiper Belt object, so something local.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're you might be wondering, Okay, if it's local,

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<v Speaker 1>why would it have this hyperbolic trajectory, And the idea

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<v Speaker 1>there is that it would have had to have been

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<v Speaker 1>accelerated to a hyperbolic velocity by some kind of large object.

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<v Speaker 1>You got a gravity assist from like a dark hidden

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<v Speaker 1>planet or something somewhere out there that made this thing

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<v Speaker 1>go really fast, fast enough to escape the Solar System,

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of local space collision that that beamed it

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<v Speaker 1>in not necessarily collision like that. If there if there's

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<v Speaker 1>a dark, hidden massive plant somewhere, so it gets a

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<v Speaker 1>gravity assist from this unknown object somewhere out there in

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<v Speaker 1>the ort cloud or something like that, and through that

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<v Speaker 1>gravity assist it gets enough momentum, it gets enough velocity

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<v Speaker 1>that an escape the Solar System. They don't rate that

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<v Speaker 1>as very likely. It looks very much like it actually

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<v Speaker 1>did come from another star system. Uh. They look at

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<v Speaker 1>the theory that it originated from a nearby star called

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<v Speaker 1>t y C four seven four to Dash one zero

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<v Speaker 1>to seven dash one Yogurt system. They also rate this

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<v Speaker 1>is very unlikely. So the most likely option is this.

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<v Speaker 1>When a young star forms a protoplanetary disk, the matter

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<v Speaker 1>in this disc gradually coalesces into planets and other smaller objects,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is how our Solar System came to be

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<v Speaker 1>about four and a half to five billion years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>This is how other stars came to be as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But then things like other stars in a star cluster

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<v Speaker 1>can disturb these disks and cause matter to come out

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<v Speaker 1>of orbit, or gravitational resonances between young planets can fling

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<v Speaker 1>stuff out of orbit with great velocity. So mathematical models

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<v Speaker 1>show that these disks frequently eject math is of rock

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<v Speaker 1>and ice out from the systems as they're forming and

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<v Speaker 1>send them flying into interstellar space, and that there are

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<v Speaker 1>probably lots of lonely little asteroids like this floating out

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<v Speaker 1>in the void between star systems, and the authors think

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably what this rock is, unless it's something else entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll get to those possibilities when we come back

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<v Speaker 1>from a break. All right, we're back and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss another possibility here. And I and I and

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<v Speaker 1>I know everyone already can guess what it is. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, we know by this point if anybody discovers

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of anomalous phenomenon whatsoever in space, the Daily

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<v Speaker 1>Mail is going to run an article saying it's aliens.

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<v Speaker 1>It's seriously, it's aliens. Also check out these Royal family

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<v Speaker 1>beach bods. But it's aliens. Um. And you know, lots

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<v Speaker 1>of publications like to do this. That it's aliens is

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<v Speaker 1>always going to get you clicks. Uh. And then or aliens,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just just put a question heavily implying it's aliens. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you've got on the other side all of the

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<v Speaker 1>actual space and science journalists who get really annoyed by this,

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<v Speaker 1>like they're they're jaded from having to fill their careers

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<v Speaker 1>by writing hundreds of It's not Aliens articles over and over,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll immediately get angry and say, it's not aliens. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course the latter camp is always right so far.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's say we reserve judgment and try to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of marry the responsible skepticism of the scientists and the

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<v Speaker 1>science journalists with the hopefulness and the open mindedness of

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not the it's aliens community, but at least of

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<v Speaker 1>SETI researchers. So it's time to ask this object, is

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<v Speaker 1>it aliens? Yeah? Well, you know, we can't help but

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<v Speaker 1>think about this for a number of reasons. Uh science

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<v Speaker 1>science fiction has been preparing us for a mysterious alien

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<v Speaker 1>vessels to to show up for some time. Uh. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they could be curious visitors, advanced scouts in an invasion fleet,

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<v Speaker 1>or simply a darrelict ship bearing extraterrestrial dead. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is such a common plot point in our science fiction.

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<v Speaker 1>It's even if we even knowing that that is fiction,

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<v Speaker 1>that these are imagined scenarios, we can't help, but look

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<v Speaker 1>for it when when an example like this comes around.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's the one thing about space that is

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<v Speaker 1>sure to get everybody's attention. You've got people who are

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<v Speaker 1>into space, and they find space beautiful and interesting on

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<v Speaker 1>its own characteristics, in the same way that geology might

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<v Speaker 1>be interesting. You know that there's mystery out there even

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<v Speaker 1>if there's not life. But generally everybody is going to

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<v Speaker 1>get excited if you think there might be life out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And and that comes back around just to the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that that life elsewhere in the universe is an open question,

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<v Speaker 1>like there are You're gonna find hardliners on both sides

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<v Speaker 1>that say, yes, there's definitely not only extraterrestrial life, but

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent life and also I saw it yesterday, or you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to you're gonna find people who are taking the

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<v Speaker 1>hard line of there's there's probably nothing. We have no

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<v Speaker 1>evidence to support the idea that there is, and there

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<v Speaker 1>probably is not, but it is an unanswered question. We

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately cannot definitively say there are aliens or there are

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<v Speaker 1>no aliens, at least in the broader sense. But when

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<v Speaker 1>we have a situation like this, well then we can

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<v Speaker 1>zero zero in on it. A little bit right, we

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<v Speaker 1>can say, is this aliens? That's a very different question.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very different question, yes, and also a question.

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<v Speaker 1>The answer to that question is not going to answer

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<v Speaker 1>the larger question obviously either well well, well one answer

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<v Speaker 1>would if this is aliens, there definitely are aliens. But

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>if it's not aliens, still might be aliens. That's there

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>still might be aliens out there. This is just this

0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 1>just shows is how ready I am for it to

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:46.880
<v Speaker 1>not be aliens, because I do want to just continue

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:51.639
<v Speaker 1>to drive that home. This is almost certainly not aliens,

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:56.120
<v Speaker 1>but it never hurts to look Okay, So what are

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.760
<v Speaker 1>some of the obvious problems here? Um, first, there's the

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:05.919
<v Speaker 1>problem with anybody showing up, period. So astro physicist Michael H.

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Hart he wrote He wrote about the matter in a

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 1>book titled Interstellar Migration and the Human Experience. There's a

0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>collection of essays and he wrote one of them here,

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:17.520
<v Speaker 1>and he makes a number of points. Mostly he's talking

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:25.359
<v Speaker 1>about the possible existence of interstellar empuyers. Uh, both in

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:27.879
<v Speaker 1>the human sense could we build one? And then in

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the sense are they out there? Because we can't help

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 1>but think about that kind of like colonial expansion right,

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 1>So he's going to be talking about the likelihood of

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:41.639
<v Speaker 1>like the physical arrival of alien objects of technology or beatings. Yeah.

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>So he points out that first of all, we have

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.919
<v Speaker 1>to remember that space is huge. While technology has drastically

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 1>reduced terrestrial travel to uh, you know, a matter of

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.679
<v Speaker 1>hours uh quote, there is no reasonable hope that future

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:58.680
<v Speaker 1>technology will ever succeed in reducing interstellar travel time. Two

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:02.879
<v Speaker 1>months were simply attained in uh to this to this

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>room via the confines of special relativity. Bearing some unforeseen breakthrough,

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.200
<v Speaker 1>we cannot beat a beam of light in a drag race.

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 1>You see throughout the Star Wars movies that there is

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 1>a jump to light speed and then it will get

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>you there pretty fast. The sad truth is, we can't

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>jump to light speed, but even if we could, it

0:27:25.080 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be fast enough. So you've got mass, You're not

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 1>going to be going light speed anytime soon. But it

0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter because even if you could go light speed

0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>or of light speed, is still going to take you

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:42.680
<v Speaker 1>forever to get between stars. There's just so much space,

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>that's right, heart. He says he started star travel would

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>likely work out to at least a fifty year journey

0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's that's a you know, a reasonable distance of

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 1>the star. We're not talking about going to a far

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 1>flung uh star. And he says given the time frame,

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 1>giving the distance, given the distance involved in the limits

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of travel, he figures it would take two million years

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>of like determined colonization for a civilization to colonize the galaxy. Uh. Now,

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 1>this is one of those areas where I don't even

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:17.359
<v Speaker 1>know if that's a low or or a high estimate. Well,

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, would the things colonizing the galaxy by the

0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>end of that still be humans? Yeah, that's that's true.

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, ultimately could be just machines, right that have

0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:32.160
<v Speaker 1>been created by organic life and become the species of movement. Uh.

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:34.640
<v Speaker 1>But he points out that this would have also been

0:28:34.680 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>nothing like a human empire who consists of splintered civilizations

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 1>to the tune of a few hundred billion to batch

0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>match the number of stars. Again, just that the distance

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.840
<v Speaker 1>would would play such a role in in the extent

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>to which you could maintain order across any kind of

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 1>a large organization. So I assume in this model he

0:28:54.600 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>is assuming some significantly faster travel than we have today,

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:02.480
<v Speaker 1>but all so not like light speed Yeah, he's saying

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 1>that that we're still gonna even with advanced technology, we're

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna come up against hard limits. There. There are speed

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 1>limits in place, and they prevent some of the models

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 1>of interstellar civilization that we have dreamed up in the past.

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>One of the great questions that most sci fi fails

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>to address about how to get quickly between stars is

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>the question of deceleration. Yes, nobody ever thinks about how

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 1>you need to stop when you get to a place,

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and if you're going it like I don't know, fifty

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 1>percent of light speed or something, and you just hit

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.960
<v Speaker 1>the brakes and decided to suddenly stop. You you are

0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>maybe atoms still, but you're not a human. I mean,

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't work well. So you'd essentially have to accelerate

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>halfway and decelerate halfway. Yeah, and that's something you definitely

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>encounter will a in more realistic science fiction, harder science fiction,

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:56.719
<v Speaker 1>but also in in proposals for how we might um

0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:01.240
<v Speaker 1>go on longer space flights. We would have to spend

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 1>half the time ramping up in half the time ramping down.

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>If you don't want to liquefy, right, you throw on

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the brakes too hard, you're going to you're gonna liquefy. Now,

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.280
<v Speaker 1>the inherent part of all this is that aliens would

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>be bound by the same limits, though perhaps they're not

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>limited in other ways that humans would be. Uh. They

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 1>could of course be machines. They could have extremely long lifespans.

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 1>I will say that I think if we ever were

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:30.080
<v Speaker 1>to detect make alien contact in our solar system, I

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 1>think it's unlikely. But I think it's far more likely

0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 1>that we would come across alien technology than aliens themselves

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>as beings. I could see more likely the scenario where

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:44.920
<v Speaker 1>we receive an unscrewed probe, right, I mean, especially if

0:30:44.920 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>we're basing it on how we have we are behaving

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.280
<v Speaker 1>in our exploration of space, it seems more likely that

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.200
<v Speaker 1>a machine would show up or their voyager arrives. Yeah,

0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>their voyager arrives, and it's not even a not even

0:30:56.920 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 1>representative of their current level of technology. You know, to

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>what extent you can talk about current and the current

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>state of technology and the now when you're dealing with

0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>these vast distances. Um, So maybe we should go on

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>that model, Like if it is aliens, maybe it's not

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>physically biologically aliens. Maybe it's alien technology. Yeah, exactly. So

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.080
<v Speaker 1>again he says he thinks it would take two billion

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 1>years for a civilization to really expand and and and

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 1>reach this power, this level of galactic power. Uh. And

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:31.959
<v Speaker 1>two million years is certainly a drop in the bucket

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 1>compared to the Milky Way galaxies ten billion your history. Uh.

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 1>But it also means that other emergent life forms and

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>other emergent civilizations would have the same odds. And nothing

0:31:43.040 --> 0:31:46.320
<v Speaker 1>has seemingly expanded throughout the Milky Way Galaxy in the

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:50.840
<v Speaker 1>previous two million year uh period of time. So Heart says, quote,

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 1>we might reasonably infer that we are the first colonizing

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.719
<v Speaker 1>civilization in our galaxy, and for the moment, probably the

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>only species within advanced technology. If this is so, it

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>will be our descendants who are likely to colonize and

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 1>populate the entire galaxy. Alright, So all this just tackles

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>the question are there aliens? But again we're dealing with

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 1>a much more specific situation. We're asking is this aliens?

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Is this thing this elongated object, some alien spaceship or

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>piece of alien technology? Yeah? Is it an artificial object?

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Be it a ship, be it a you know, like

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.720
<v Speaker 1>a monolith with carvings inside it or something you know,

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>is it something that was sent here deliberately or accidentally? Well,

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess we should instead back up to

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>say the question, to ask the question, is there any

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 1>good reason to think it might be aliens other than

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 1>the fact that it's an interstellar anomalous phenomenon. Alright, we'll

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>lead Billings of the science writer to discuss this a

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:54.080
<v Speaker 1>little bit in a Scientific American article that came out

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>in the last few weeks. Because everything has pretty much

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 1>come out in the last few weeks and it's still

0:32:58.160 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 1>coming out regarding this story. So if it does turn

0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 1>out to be aliens, this episode is a total bust.

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 1>We are in the odd position of rooting against aliens

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 1>with a scenario simply because it means we'd have to

0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>re record that episode. Wait, no, so what does Billings

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>say about reasons people think it might actually be aliens? Well,

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:18.120
<v Speaker 1>he points to the to the quote collision minimizing form

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 1>favored in many designs for theoretical interstellar probes. Okay, so

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the elongated form because we don't usually see that in

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>naturally formed space objects, and because it mirrors a kind

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of spaceship design form that you would have if you

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 1>wanted to minimize the chance of running into something in space.

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>You you might start to think, Okay, maybe that's sort

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>of a tick in the column of could be artificial exactly.

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 1>It's it's shaped like we might shape a ship or

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 1>a probe for a similar purpose. And on top of that,

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty solid, as we discussed, possibly metal, making it

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 1>perfect for surviving a long journey between stars. And additionally,

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 1>we don't have much in the way of satisfactory theories

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.440
<v Speaker 1>about how an elongated object like this would have formed

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>or survived ejection from another solar system. Yeah, that is

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 1>a good question. Now. On the other hand, he also

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>points out that, Okay, it boasts an impressive spin rate,

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and I imagine some of you are thinking, oh, it's rotating,

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>it's good artificialty, but he said, he argues that it's

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 1>it's not really enough to produce meaningful artificial gravity. Yeah,

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 1>because I think they said that it rotates every what

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>seven point three hours or something like that. Um, that's

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>not super fast and it's not super huge, and generating

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:37.120
<v Speaker 1>artificial gravity either requires your your environment to be very

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:40.399
<v Speaker 1>large or to spin pretty fast. So there's nothing really

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 1>we can significantly latch onto with that. Additionally, there's there's

0:34:44.239 --> 0:34:46.320
<v Speaker 1>no sign of propulsion here. It's following an orbit shaped

0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:48.759
<v Speaker 1>by the gravitational fourth of the Sun. That's not to

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>say it can't be a ship, but that makes it

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 1>more of a sailboat than a speed boat. And also

0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>speaking of speed, experts apparently think that it's actually moving

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 1>a bit slow for a probe. The reasoning here is

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 1>that you'd likely want to be moving faster to cover

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.919
<v Speaker 1>more ground and that, but of course that also raises

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:10.879
<v Speaker 1>a left questions about the presumed alien sense of time. Right,

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 1>So you'd think if they're aliens, say this is like

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a voyager or some some kind of probe to send

0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:20.880
<v Speaker 1>the aliens information about our solar system, you'd think they'd

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 1>want the probes to be going really fast to their

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.320
<v Speaker 1>star systems to get the information back as soon as possible,

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:31.400
<v Speaker 1>because the people who made it might want something recognizable

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>as their own children or grandchildren or something like that

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>to be able to get the information. And if it's

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 1>going to take hundreds of thousands of years to travel

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:41.880
<v Speaker 1>between star systems, like, what's the point unless it's just

0:35:41.920 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 1>a message in a bottle, and and it's it's not

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:47.640
<v Speaker 1>about hearing back from it. It's not about their lifespan.

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 1>But again I'm I'm you can. You can make all

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.840
<v Speaker 1>sorts of different interpretations of it and sci fi it

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:54.720
<v Speaker 1>up and just the right way that it makes sense.

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>So I guess some people would say then that there

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 1>might be a few kind of interesting little reasons to think, oh,

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe this could be artificial. But I think a lot

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 1>of the skeptics are going to be saying, look, it's

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:09.919
<v Speaker 1>not aliens. Why would you waste your time bothering with this? Well,

0:36:10.440 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 1>part of it comes down to the fact that we

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 1>can't yet say definitively that it's not. Uh, It's like

0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 1>this is an open question. We're still trying to figure

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 1>out what this thing is and it's not. We haven't

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.879
<v Speaker 1>completely ruled it out. It's very unlikely, but we haven't

0:36:23.880 --> 0:36:27.840
<v Speaker 1>completely ruled out the possibility that it is an artificial object.

0:36:27.960 --> 0:36:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Is it one of those scenarios where the question is

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 1>just so interesting that even if you're ninety nine point

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:37.399
<v Speaker 1>nine percent sure that the answer is no, you've got

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 1>to ask anyway, just because it feels so titillating. Well,

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and we also have to ask because there are some

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 1>steps that we can take to further investigate the possibility.

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 1>So it's not just one of those things where it

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>could be aliens. So let's keep the dream alive. It's

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 1>it's more like it could be aliens. Let's take the

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>next logical steps to test that hypothesis out right, we can,

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.120
<v Speaker 1>we can check it out. So for instance, obvious ob

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 1>an astrophysicist and Breakthrough advisor, that's the Breakthrough Listen initiative,

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 1>which we'll get into a little more in a minute here.

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay Um and he's also an advisor at Harvard University,

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>pointed out the following to Scientific American quote. Perhaps the

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Aliens have a mothership that travels fast and releases baby

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:22.920
<v Speaker 1>spacecraft that freely fall into planetary system on a reconnaissance mission.

0:37:23.200 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 1>In such a case, we might be able to intercept

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 1>a communication signal between the different spacecraft. Oh I like that.

0:37:30.040 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean it makes me think of like the scene

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.080
<v Speaker 1>in the Empire Strikes Back where the ship's going through

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and launching the Imperial probe droids off in all these directions,

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>exactly same sort of scenario. And indeed, just because the

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.239
<v Speaker 1>things not trying to communicate with us, it could have

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:45.120
<v Speaker 1>some sort of communication that has to make back to

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>the mothership. Well, in that case, let's put some radio

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.479
<v Speaker 1>telescopes on it. And I bet people are already doing

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>that exactly, I mean, because that's that's what the folks

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:56.920
<v Speaker 1>at said he have been thinking to search for extraterrestrial intelligence,

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>so they think that it could be emitting or at

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:04.839
<v Speaker 1>least lead radio waves. However, initial snooping via CETI institutes

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Allen telescope array turned up nothing. On Wednesday, December seventeen,

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:14.240
<v Speaker 1>the Breakthrough Listen project aimed at the West Virginia based

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:19.320
<v Speaker 1>on Green Bank Telescope at Omamua for ten hours of

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of observations in a wide range of radio frequencies. So

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:27.719
<v Speaker 1>was it aliens no nest? So they listened from three

0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 1>pm to ninety five pm Eastern Time. They scanned across

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>four radio brands, spanning billions of individual channels across the

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 1>one to twelve gig hurts range. Over the course of

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 1>a two hour observation of the object itself, they collected

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:46.840
<v Speaker 1>ninety terabytes of data raw data. Uh, and they're searching

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 1>that data for signs of artificial signals. But despite some

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>heavy computing power, this is still gonna take a little

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>while to carry out. So as of this recording, there

0:38:57.600 --> 0:39:01.759
<v Speaker 1>is currently no evidence of any narrow bandwidth signals in

0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the data that would suggest artificial nature to this object. So,

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:08.920
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, it does not appear to be communicating

0:39:09.040 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 1>via radio waves with anything else yet, unless something is

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 1>happening right now that is changing all of that, in

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.360
<v Speaker 1>which case we will have to revisit putting out the

0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 1>episode to begin with. But we're we're making a safe

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 1>bet here. Now here's the Here's another interesting point on

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>the topic of rarity made by Breakthrough Listens lead scientist

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Simon that underlines humanity sort of Babe in the

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Woods understanding of the cosmos. He says, this thing cannot

0:39:37.520 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 1>be a rarity. I mean, well, the idea is if

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 1>it were, if it were rare, we wouldn't be seeing

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 1>it at all. Okay, Yeah, So, which is an interesting

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>argument if if you think about the idea here is

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 1>that it can't be a natural object that just happens

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:56.640
<v Speaker 1>to fall in our laps. If there's one of these

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.200
<v Speaker 1>out there, there have to be more in the ideas

0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.719
<v Speaker 1>that we just haven't each the point where are we're

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 1>able to uh to see them, we just were not

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:07.280
<v Speaker 1>able to detect them yet and we don't have the technology.

0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 1>And is that technology comes online, we realize, oh, yeah,

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 1>there are space cigars everywhere. Uh, this was just the

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.560
<v Speaker 1>first time that we saw one. Yeah, so I think

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.239
<v Speaker 1>that is uh, pretty much in line with what a

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:22.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of these astronomers are thinking. Yeah, there are probably

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:24.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot more objects like this coming through the Solar

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 1>system all the time. This is just the first time

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>we caught one. It's kind of like the way I

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 1>was thinking of it is, if say somebody does not

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:35.399
<v Speaker 1>know anything about Bollywood films, but they can name one

0:40:35.440 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Bollywood film, chances are that one Bollywood film they can

0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 1>name is a major title. It's like, you know, one

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.800
<v Speaker 1>of the pillars of Bollywood. Like, what are the chances

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:48.880
<v Speaker 1>that the one film they can name is some super

0:40:49.560 --> 0:40:54.280
<v Speaker 1>rare entry. You could use that with anything in pop culture,

0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 1>chances are if you can only think of one example

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 1>of a type of thing in pop culture, it's one

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 1>of the most widely replicated and talked about examples of

0:41:02.480 --> 0:41:06.880
<v Speaker 1>that genre or category exactly. And so that's basically the

0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:11.800
<v Speaker 1>scenario that's that that is probably taking place with this object.

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:15.400
<v Speaker 1>That if we're seeing it, it cannot be rare unless,

0:41:15.440 --> 0:41:18.280
<v Speaker 1>of course, it's an alienship, and that kind of changes everything.

0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that is very characteristic of someone who thinks

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>statistically about their experience of reality, and that is a

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>mindset that I don't often go to myself, but I

0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>can respect. Now it makes me question and say, well, well,

0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 1>isn't it also true that if this is if this

0:41:35.320 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 1>does turn out to be an alien spaceship, then alien

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 1>spaceships are also common, and maybe this is just the

0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:42.759
<v Speaker 1>first time we're seeing one of these. I think that

0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 1>would be implied by that probabilistic argument. I mean, it's

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 1>all based on the assumption you should make that your

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 1>your life is not special and your experience is not unique. Yeah,

0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:55.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's the the anthropic principle and a nutshell,

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>the idea that we cannot we cannot look at the

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:02.600
<v Speaker 1>cosmos with with the notion that the human perspective is privileged,

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 1>or that Earth is privileged in any way that you know,

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.440
<v Speaker 1>defies just mere statistics. At the same time, you are

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:11.160
<v Speaker 1>all individually very special. I mean, really you have to

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 1>feel special to to think about it. Just think of

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the fact that this story is happening right now? That

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:20.880
<v Speaker 1>that the the open question is there is there intelligent

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 1>life elsewhere in the universe? Uh, that were this close

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 1>to to potentially getting a yes answer, but probably not. Well,

0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I want to renew what I said earlier, which is

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:33.919
<v Speaker 1>that I think this object and the story of its

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 1>discovery is fascinating, even if it's not aliens, which it's

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 1>almost definitely not. Yeah, but it But it's kind of

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 1>like an unsolved murder, like suddenly there's a suspect. The

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:47.080
<v Speaker 1>suspect is almost certainly not the perpetrator, but the mere

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>fact that there's a subject, that there's a suspect in

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 1>the case is pretty phenomenal, even if they're gonna you know,

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 1>walk the street and just you know, a few hours

0:42:55.080 --> 0:42:57.880
<v Speaker 1>because their ALBI checks out. To be clear, this space

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:01.800
<v Speaker 1>object has not killed anyone, It's true, not yet. Now

0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:04.319
<v Speaker 1>some of you are probably wondering, well, what what's going

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to happen? Then, assuming that that looking at this object

0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:13.719
<v Speaker 1>data was to present itself that that suggested some sort

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.360
<v Speaker 1>of an intelligence and at least an intelligent design to

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 1>the thing, what would go down? Well? Uh, Simon provides

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.239
<v Speaker 1>a sort of step by step breakdown of how this

0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:27.879
<v Speaker 1>would take place. So first of all, the signal would

0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:30.239
<v Speaker 1>be detected or the signal would be decoded, like we

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:34.920
<v Speaker 1>would find data in the in the radio waves that

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.759
<v Speaker 1>tipped us off, all right, So the next step would

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>be too immediately re observed to confirm that signal. Okay,

0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:44.000
<v Speaker 1>you want to make sure that it wasn't a fluke

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 1>in the recording, right. Nobody wants to be the the

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:51.080
<v Speaker 1>scientists to immediately go on cable news and say we

0:43:51.160 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 1>did it, we made contact with the aliens and we oh,

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 1>we didn't actually check it though it was actually a

0:43:56.760 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 1>TV satellite alright. So after this, if they once they

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 1>confirmed the signal, next they will reach out to pre

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:07.000
<v Speaker 1>selected astronomers around the world to target the object with

0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 1>other radio telescopes. And I think his his exact words were,

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 1>we have a we have a rolodex just for this,

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.839
<v Speaker 1>so they have all the contexts ready to go, and

0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 1>then if that shakes out, then they're going to go

0:44:18.440 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 1>public with what's happening. So there's not going to be

0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:24.439
<v Speaker 1>this government conspiracy. Let's hide the nature of aliens from

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:27.479
<v Speaker 1>the people because they'll all freak out, uh and start

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:30.080
<v Speaker 1>buying bread and beer. Never really made a lot of

0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 1>sense to me. Well, I mean it would. It would

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 1>disrupt things. It would at least disrupt the news cycle

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 1>for a little bit, you know, uh, it would. I mean,

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, it would change everything if if suddenly we

0:44:41.880 --> 0:44:44.000
<v Speaker 1>had proof that there was alien life, it would I

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:46.719
<v Speaker 1>don't know that it would cause a collapse of civilization,

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.359
<v Speaker 1>but I don't think so. This would be This would

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:51.719
<v Speaker 1>be a good topic to discuss though, just sort of

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 1>like like the preparations for like the cultural preparations for

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:58.680
<v Speaker 1>the identification of extra stress real life. I think it

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:00.719
<v Speaker 1>would be one of the most I agree with that.

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it would be one of the most interesting

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 1>discoveries in the history of humankind. But I don't know

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.880
<v Speaker 1>if it would actually disrupt life all that much unless

0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:10.279
<v Speaker 1>they were like here and ready to wage war on

0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:12.800
<v Speaker 1>us or something. Well, but that would be the next question,

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 1>like why is it here? What is it doing? What

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 1>are its intentions? Right? And that can lead to a

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:20.680
<v Speaker 1>certain amount of paranoia. I guess so, but I don't know.

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 1>I think if we just discovered a not overtly threatening alien,

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I think people would basically be really interested, but in

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the next day they need to go get the groceries.

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I think one of my big concerns here though, is

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>is in some sort of a first contact scenario, like

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 1>how does communication go with this entity? You know, like

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 1>certainly well, I think we've touched on this in the

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:48.920
<v Speaker 1>podcast before about the different individuals and organizations sort of

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:52.400
<v Speaker 1>uh that have been proposed as a first contact team

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 1>or or counsel. But right, you can certainly imagine scenarios

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:01.440
<v Speaker 1>were say leaders that exists to might want to be

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the first person to talk to the aliens, and maybe

0:46:04.120 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 1>that would not be great, Like if they realize that

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Twitter is our primary mode of communication, and so the

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:13.520
<v Speaker 1>spaceship were to join Twitter, like it were to to

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:18.440
<v Speaker 1>acquire the omamua Twitter handle, and then anybody could tweet

0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:22.839
<v Speaker 1>at it. Just think of the chaos, and it's just

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:27.880
<v Speaker 1>an egg. It's just an interstellar egg. It probably would

0:46:27.920 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 1>they wouldn't you know, They might not even have sight.

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:34.479
<v Speaker 1>It tries to figure out hashtags and fails, just keeps

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:41.759
<v Speaker 1>hashtagging normal words, or it doesn't actually say anything. It

0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:45.239
<v Speaker 1>just likes tweets, And then you have to wonder who

0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:47.360
<v Speaker 1>doesn't say it it's likes or an endorsement of the

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.680
<v Speaker 1>idea or not, and so it basically means that we

0:46:50.719 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 1>have just all the great minds of the world are

0:46:53.360 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 1>just pouring over Twitter to try and figure out what

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:58.600
<v Speaker 1>it's Uh, it's ideology is based on its likes, and

0:46:58.680 --> 0:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>its ideology is it only likes the tweets of that

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:05.880
<v Speaker 1>guy who played the kid on Star Trek the Next Generation? Yeaheah,

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Well that that would I think it would be an

0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 1>okay scenario. And then then Will has to step up

0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:13.439
<v Speaker 1>and be the ambassador for Earth. I was trying to think,

0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:15.840
<v Speaker 1>who else are those good like, well liked social media

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 1>power users. Well there, most of them are, really. I mean,

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:22.000
<v Speaker 1>he's even divisive depending on where you you stand, right,

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't think of a single like universally ld Twitter,

0:47:25.480 --> 0:47:29.280
<v Speaker 1>uh individual, because Twitter, by his very nature is about

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:32.879
<v Speaker 1>hating and loving and equal measures. Right, we've gone way

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 1>off topic here, but hey, but we've given everybody some

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:39.279
<v Speaker 1>food for thought here. Uh. Think this is a fascinating,

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:44.200
<v Speaker 1>ongoing story. And again we're really betting that it's not

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 1>alien life here, but it's still amazing to dream about. Yeah,

0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the first messenger from another star. All right, Hey, in

0:47:51.480 --> 0:47:54.520
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