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Speaker 1: Beast start changing with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: Jamie, wake up, the episode is starting.

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Speaker 3: The weather is a thousand degrees fuck me. Okay, oh

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Speaker 3: my god, oh my god. Welcome to the Back Well,

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Speaker 3: maybe our most feminist introduction yet.

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Speaker 2: And I'll go to sleep. Jamie. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: hear from you anymore.

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Speaker 3: Okay, look is it? I mean this movie, this movie

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Speaker 3: got me in so many ways. I was like, do

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Speaker 3: I want to be negged by Jack Quaid? Sometimes there

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Speaker 3: are days that is kind of your kink. There are

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Speaker 3: days where I would accept it. Okay, the feminism continues.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Back Past. My name is Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 2: My name is Caitlin Derante. This is our show where

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Speaker 2: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the

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Speaker 2: Bechdel Test simply as a jumping off point. But Jamie,

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Speaker 2: what the hell is that?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you. The Bechdel Test is a media

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Speaker 3: metric created by Iconic friend of the show our best

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Speaker 3: friend who iconically has not sued us. Alison Bechdel was

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Speaker 3: originally made as a joke in her wonderful comic series

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Speaker 3: Dykes to Watch Out four, and has since been adapted

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Speaker 3: into a more mainstream media metric. There's many versions of

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Speaker 3: the test. Here's ours. We require that two characters of

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Speaker 3: a marginalized gender ro pod question Mark speak to each

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Speaker 3: other about something other than a man for two meaningful

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Speaker 3: lines of dialogue. Also, they need names. Shouldn't be hard,

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Speaker 3: but people still struggle with it, and I feel like,

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Speaker 3: weirdly with the with the fascistic conservative bent we're on,

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Speaker 3: we had women talk in movies for a couple of years,

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Speaker 3: but thank god it's Oh.

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Speaker 2: Thank god, that's not happening anymore.

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Speaker 3: Rip. But here today, we are here to talk about

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Speaker 3: a recent release. We haven't talked about a lot of

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Speaker 3: about because we just revisited her. We've revisited I feel

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Speaker 3: like the fembot canon in the last year or so,

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Speaker 3: so I feel ready for spoiler alert today's episode Companion.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if you haven't seen the movie and you want

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Speaker 3: to maybe go watch.

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Speaker 2: It, go don't listen to this episode because I mean,

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Speaker 2: obviously we're about to spoil it. But it's a movie.

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Speaker 2: It's a movie that feels like a movie number one,

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Speaker 2: number two. It's a movie that the less you know

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Speaker 2: about the twists, I think think the more rewarding the watch.

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Speaker 3: So very true, but also I will say I really

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Speaker 3: enjoyed the the rewatch it is It is very fun

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Speaker 2: Of rewards on a rewatch. It holds up. Yeah, because

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Speaker 2: some movies, like the story logic completely falls apart once

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Speaker 2: you know the twists and you're like, well, why did

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Speaker 3: But I feel like it it gets kind of better

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Speaker 3: I get a team Cat. Okay, So before we talk

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Speaker 3: about the movie more, let's get our wonderful guests into

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Speaker 3: the Damn Chat. Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: They're the hosts of the podcast too scary, didn't watch?

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Speaker 2: It's Henley and Sammy.

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Speaker 3: We will wake up. Wake up, Sammy, wake up.

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Speaker 4: We are not fembots, We just do yep wow.

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Speaker 3: What We should always intro our guests this way. Our

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Speaker 3: next guests are not thempods.

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Speaker 4: If they just do a pod, just do a podcast.

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Speaker 4: That's all.

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Speaker 5: Thank you guys for having us really excited to be

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Speaker 3: We are also very excited. Yeah. Well, first, before we

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Speaker 5: Our podcast is called Too Scared Didn't Watch as you

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Speaker 5: just heard, and it is Henley and I and our

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Speaker 5: horror movies. Henley and Emily are too scared to watch them,

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Speaker 5: to our listeners who are too afraid to watch it.

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Speaker 6: So and we try to just giggle and laugh and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, basically for me, it's just an excuse for me

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Speaker 6: same time. But really it's my way of, like secretly

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Speaker 4: That's like, actually all I care about. That's beautiful. And

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Speaker 6: But as someone who doesn't like horror movies, I can

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Speaker 4: Much about horror movies.

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Speaker 6: completely unprompted because she knew I was coming on your podcast.

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Speaker 6: She edited Companion for me and took out any scenes

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Speaker 5: I did see this in theaters without knowing anything about it,

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Jamie, what about you?

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Speaker 3: I also saw it in theaters without knowing anything. I

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Speaker 2: I also saw it in theaters. Though I had it,

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Speaker 3: Also a huge year for this specific lead actor, Sophie Thatcher,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break first, and we'll come back

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Speaker 3: And we're back here. We are back again, ready to

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Speaker 3: We're awake.

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Speaker 2: We've been woken up.

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Speaker 3: And let's let's talk about Companion. What happens Caitlyn Caitlyn's

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Speaker 2: Yes, so we open on a dream slash flashback of

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Speaker 2: Indeed, Yes, Also we see her having a like grocery

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Speaker 4: How do you do it? That's true?

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Speaker 2: Also learn that Patrick is also a companion robot. That's

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00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 2: the big twist that I didn't see coming, since I

439
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: already kind of knew something was going on with Iris.

440
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 3: Right, I feel like I don't know for me, the

441
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 3: twist that Lucas Gage is a robot, I was like, hmm,

442
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: I'm rooting for him. I don't care, Like, yeah, I'm

443
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: still rooting for Harvey Julian's character because you could never

444
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 3: make me hate him, and I think the movie kind

445
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 3: of feels that way too. The movie sort of decides like, oh,

446
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 3: we're not going to turn people on.

447
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 6: I think their relationship is supposed to be kind of

448
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 6: a foil to the other relationship, the other human robot relationship,

449
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 6: because it seems like they actually love each other. Yeah,

450
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 6: and yes, like that's possible amongst a human and a robot,

451
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 6: you can genuinely love each other, Yeah, which is I

452
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 6: think important to establish in this movie, which you might

453
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 6: otherwise walk away from thinking, well, I guess like you don't,

454
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 6: that doesn't really happen, So for them to show it

455
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 6: happening makes it all the more Jack Quit's character all

456
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 6: the more like atrocious exactly.

457
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we learn all of that, So the other

458
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 2: characters are kind of freaking out, and they take Serge's

459
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: gun and go into the woods to find Iris, who

460
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 2: now knows that she's a robot who has been lied

461
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 2: to and manipulated and forced to commit a murder by

462
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: a man who she thought loved her, and whose programming

463
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: has been modified because Josh has this hacking modifier device

464
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: that he used to turn up her aggression and self

465
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: defense response and enabled her to enact violence. And doing

466
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 2: all of these modifications is very illegal, so if the

467
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 2: cops or empathics the company finds out that they modified her,

468
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: their fucked. So they have to go find Iris, who

469
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: meanwhile is in the woods with Josh's phone, and she

470
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 2: uses it to turn off the voice command that Josh

471
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: uses to like control her, shut her off by telling

472
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: her to go to sleep, and she also adjusts her intelligence.

473
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: Josh had her intelligence level set at forty percent, and

474
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: she's like, wow, you bitch, so she boosts it up

475
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: to one hundred percent. So now she's like super smart,

476
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: and she forms a plan to hijack Josh's car and

477
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: get herself back home so that she can get cleaned up,

478
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: grab some money, and get away from Josh for good.

479
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: But before she can get to the car, she crosses

480
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: paths with Eli and Patrick in the woods, who don't

481
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: spot her right away, but she overhears them talking, and

482
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: she overhears Patrick revealing that he knows he's a robot

483
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: and that that like Halloween party meet cute thing was

484
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: just like his fake memory love link thing.

485
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: And then you get one of my favorite lines in

486
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: the movie, fuck you Dad, I'm in love with a robot. Yes,

487
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: followed like kiss kiss, kiss.

488
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: Kiss, and maybe they're about to fuck in the woods

489
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 2: question mark. But then they hear Josh's phone vibrate on Iris,

490
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: so they go after her. Eli attacks her, They scuffle,

491
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: and then Iris ends up shooting and killing Eli, and

492
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: she runs off. Josh hears the gunshot he's nearby, and

493
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: then he chases her back to the house. She gets

494
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: in his car and tells it to drive her home

495
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 2: after she adjusts her voice to match Josh's voice since

496
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: it only responds to his voice commands.

497
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: I love this. It was just as enjoyable the second

498
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 3: time as it was the first of the like just

499
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: it's like and then randomly act of Quaid's voice exactly mode, yeah, exactly.

500
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 5: He's so hard to do convenient for her, But it's

501
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 5: a scene and a good twist on like why you

502
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 5: can't leave the house, that's all you always have to

503
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 5: figure out, why can't you.

504
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: Leave the house in the middle of the woods, And

505
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 4: this would be one way. It's voice activated car.

506
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 7: Yeah.

507
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 2: Sure. So she's driving off and getting away, but the

508
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 2: car stops when Josh uses Serge's phone to report the

509
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: vehicle stolen and to call Iris and say, like, we

510
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: can go back to the way things were. We'll just

511
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: blame everything on Patrick, and Iris is like, m no,

512
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: thank you, I'm breaking up with you, so he's furious again.

513
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: Josh goes back to Patrick in the woods, does a

514
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: factory reset on him, establishes a love link with Patrick,

515
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: and then uses the modify or device so that Patrick

516
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: will do whatever Josh wants, and he tells Patrick to

517
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: find Iris and bring her back. Cut back to Iris

518
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: in the car, a cop pulls up, so she programs

519
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 2: herself to speak German, knowing that the cop won't be

520
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: able to understand her, and knowing that she can't lie.

521
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: This is her little workaround clever intelligence. But then the

522
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: cop eventually sees the bloody knife in the car and

523
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: is about to arrest her, but just then Patrick shows

524
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: up all like terminator mode and he beats the cop

525
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 2: to death and abducts Iris and brings her back to

526
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: the house. She's in sleep mode now because he like

527
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: got to the phone and like reactivated the voice command.

528
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: And Kat is like, well, fuck this, too many people

529
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: are dead now. I'm just gonna take my portion of

530
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: the money and leave. So Josh has Patrick stop Cat,

531
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: which he does by stabbing her because Patrick is like

532
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: one hundred percent aggression mode.

533
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: This is where the movie loses me, where they just

534
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: kill off Cat like it seems like because they're like, uh,

535
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 3: because she has to die for the rest of the

536
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 3: movie to work. We'll talk about it, but this is

537
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: on the second viewing. This is where I was like,

538
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 3: all right, and then she says the weather before she dies,

539
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 3: and I'm like, all right, women be reporting the weather

540
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: to jack Quaid, right, So.

541
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: Then Josh wakes Iris back up and has a little

542
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 2: chat with her over dinner. This is the part that

543
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: really lost me because I'm like, why are they having

544
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 2: this conversation. Wouldn't this scene go differently based on everything

545
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: that's happened up until this point. I found it a

546
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: little too like movie. But anyway, she's like laying into him.

547
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: She's like, you're pathetic and entitled. So he turns her

548
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: intelligence down to zero percent, making her like a mindless automaton,

549
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: forces her to burn her arm on the flame of

550
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: a candle and then to shoot herself in the head,

551
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: thinking that that will like destroy her hard drives so

552
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: that they can easily just like pin all of these

553
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: crimes on her for when the two guys from the

554
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: Empathics Company show up, played by comedians and friends of

555
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: the show Matt McCarthy and Jabuki Young White, who reveal

556
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: that they're going to scrub through all of Iris's footage

557
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: because everything she sees and hears is recorded and stored

558
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: in her like memory CPU whatever, which is not.

559
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: In her memory torso exactly, it's in her abdomen ax

560
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 3: memory torso uh huh.

561
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: And so they're able to reset her and boot her

562
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: back up. But because she's recorded all this like incriminating footage,

563
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: Josh has Patrick kill the two Empathic skies, which he

564
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: successfully does with Matt McCarthy's character, and then Patrick is

565
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: about to strangle Djabooki's character Teddy, but Iris shows up

566
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: and manages to help Patrick remember that Josh is not

567
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: his love, that Eli is and Eli's dead. Oh no,

568
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: So Patrick ends his own robot life, and so Iris

569
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: goes back inside to confront Josh, but not before she

570
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: has Teddy give her like total autonomy and self control,

571
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: so now she can lie and hurt people and do anything,

572
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: and Josh has no control over her anymore, which makes

573
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: him furious, and he starts throwing her around very violently,

574
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: and they're fighting and he's about to kill her, but

575
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: then she goes go to sleep Josh and she drills

576
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: the electric wine bottle openers into his skull, killing him.

577
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 6: So powerful. I didn't know they were that powerful.

578
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 4: They can go through a human skull.

579
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: That's nuts, I guess so, And then the movie ends

580
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: with Iris getting cleaned up. She tears off her like

581
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: burnt skin on her hand and exposes her like robot

582
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: arm she takes. She takes the twelve million dollars and

583
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: drives off in Serge's vintage Mustang, and then as the

584
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: credits roll, she drives past a man and a woman

585
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: in a car, and the woman looks just like her

586
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: but with like different hair, implying that she's also a robot.

587
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: So Iris waves her like exposed metal robot hand at

588
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 2: her to communicate like, hey, you're a robot too, So

589
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: get the fuck out of there, lady, get away from

590
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: that man. The end y.

591
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, let's take another quick break and we'll be

592
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 3: right back to talk about companion.

593
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 4: We'll go to sleep.

594
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 3: We'll go to everyone go to sleep, and we're back.

595
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: Everyone.

596
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 3: Wake up, everyone, wake up. It's beautiful outside. Let's get

597
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 3: into the discussion. Henley Samby, what stands out to you?

598
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: Feel free to kick it off?

599
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 6: Well, I feel like I was thinking two things when

600
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 6: we were your recap. Well, overall, it's just fun. It's

601
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 6: like a fun movie to watch. I had a good time.

602
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 6: It's a yeah. If I'm gonna like critique anything, maybe

603
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 6: it's just that I wish it had gone deeper into

604
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 6: some of the themes that was trying to explore. For me,

605
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 6: the latter half of the movie makes a lot more

606
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 6: sense if we see jack Quaid's evolution into like becoming

607
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 6: a sociopath more clearly. When she calls him and breaks

608
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 6: up with him in the car. She uses all the

609
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 6: classic breakup lines. She's like, it's not you, it's me.

610
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 6: She says all the classic things, and he's like, are

611
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 6: you breaking up with me? And you see in his

612
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 6: face like I think, anyway, something shift like this is

613
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 6: she has activated a deep wound, some kind of dejection

614
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 6: that's happened here. And literally it's like a light switch

615
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,359
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, he's like a super villain, which

616
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 6: he really wasn't before in the movie. And I think

617
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 6: that that shift could have been, like I don't know,

618
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 6: we could have just had a little bit more about

619
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 6: him to really believe that part of it, because yeah,

620
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 6: when they sit down to dinner and he's like sitting

621
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 6: at the head of the table with like a goblet

622
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 6: of red wine and he's like, wake up, virus.

623
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, who are you right?

624
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 5: You're like I thought you were a coward, And yeah,

625
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 5: like makes sense in a satirical way of like that

626
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 5: shift being that's the moment to completely change personality, like

627
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 5: I've been rejected, now I must kill you and make

628
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 5: you suffer. But the movie's not super satirical in that way,

629
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 5: and so yeah, it does feel a little jarring.

630
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: I agree, where.

631
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 5: Especially when he's yeah, sadistically torturing her and making her

632
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 5: feel pain is right?

633
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, where is this?

634
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 5: Where did this come from?

635
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: It's a bit jarring. But for me, I think the

636
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 2: movie does a pretty good job of characterizing an awful man,

637
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: but have like showing a more like maybe modern and

638
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: like almost nuanced version of misogyny versus like what we've

639
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: seen in the past with a lot of movies and

640
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: something that we talk about all the time on this podcast,

641
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: like the patriarchy the man type of character.

642
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 3: Right see, I think this is the new patriarchy the

643
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 3: guy character. I think we're going to be seeing a

644
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: lot of this guy. I feel like the first time

645
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 3: I clocked this variation of patriarchy the guy was in

646
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 3: Promising Young Woman, the Ba Burnham character.

647
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, Bo Burnham, I had that thought too.

648
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: And we've been seeing a lot of this guy. And

649
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: actually specifically Jack Quaid has played this guy more than once. Yes,

650
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: And he also plays this guy in five Cream in

651
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: my old scream Scream Crying where it's spoiler alert, he's

652
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: one of the ghost faces where and he's he's the nice,

653
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: supportive boyfriend. Guess I did not get it. Yes, he's

654
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: the five cream ghost face. So this is like a

655
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: type of character who I feel like I've seen many

656
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 3: times at this point, and I wanted more of it

657
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: because I agree with with you Henley that like it

658
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: felt very abrupt, especially with and I feel like so

659
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: much of the stuff that I was I don't know.

660
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 3: I didn't think any of this on the first time

661
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 3: I watched this because it's a movie to watch on

662
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: a Friday night, like, don't overthink it, but also that's

663
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: what we're here to do. So but I feel like

664
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: a lot of the issues I was having in the

665
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 3: back half could have been solved if like Kat remained

666
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 3: a relevant character, because I feel like so much is

667
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 3: left on the table. And when he goes super villain mode,

668
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: it did not scan for me because he cared about Kat,

669
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: he had a crush on her, they'd been friends for

670
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: a long time. So when the Jack Quad character does

671
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 3: not react to that at all, that was when I

672
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: was like, oh, he is a patriarchy the guy character,

673
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 3: because that's like a completely irrational way, even if he's

674
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 3: a misogynist, which he is, it just like his behavior

675
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 3: in like the last half hour just like kind of

676
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: didn't scan for me at all, because he's ultimately a

677
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: coward and I felt like he was not going he

678
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: was not choosing cowardly things in the last half hour,

679
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: and his crush died in front of him.

680
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 5: Because of him.

681
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: It was his fault. Like, I don't know, I guess

682
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 3: I wanted to see him kind of crash out, and

683
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: you can crash out in a misogynist way, We've all

684
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: seen it, but like I just sort of, I guess,

685
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: was wondering why there wasn't a reaction to that. She

686
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: just felt so like, oh, yeah, we have to get

687
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: rid of this character or the movie can't end. But

688
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 3: it was like there's so much left on the table

689
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: with her. That conversation between her and Iris at the

690
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 3: beginning is so cool to rewatch because it's like kat

691
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 3: is feeling frustrated because she's being treated like a robot.

692
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 3: And then there was like a moment in that conversation

693
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: where she's like, well, look who I'm talking to. I'm

694
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: talking to a fucking robot about misogyny. Great, and at

695
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: that we were like, Okay, let's explore that more. Yeah,

696
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: But once the twist happens. I feel like kat Her

697
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: like significance in the plot drops off significantly to the

698
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: point where they're like, and then Lucas Gage kills her

699
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 3: question mark, Like, it just felt like her character was

700
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 3: I don't know, I yeah, on this watch, I was like,

701
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: why did they make those choices about her?

702
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? I agree with all of that. I guess my

703
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: thing is like, and yes, this is a version of

704
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 2: the like patriarchy the guy character with what we see

705
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: in Josh, and then we get like one of the

706
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 2: more classic versions of that character with Sergei, who is like,

707
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: oh yeah, a rapist, but with I don't know, with Josh. Yeah,

708
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: we're seeing this trope of like this version of the

709
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: patriarchy the guy character in more recent movies. But I

710
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: still think it's a kind of a refreshing alternative to

711
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 2: the more cartoonish version that we've seen in whatever years past.

712
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 2: I guess it's like his misogyny isn't quite so mask off.

713
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: It's more covert, the way that misogyny is more covert

714
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: these days. It's still very present, but I feel like

715
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 2: misogynists have gotten better at masking it a little bit more,

716
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: And I feel like Josh's character is like for a

717
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: heightened thriller comedy. His character is like a decent representation

718
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: of that. Yeah, still not perfect, but like I think

719
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: it's it's handled like decently well in this movie.

720
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he reminds me.

721
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 6: I feel like it's almost stripped straight from online culture,

722
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 6: this version of misogyny in manhood, because I don't know

723
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 6: for me anyway, I feel like I see a lot

724
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 6: of content about people being like the men who have

725
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 6: done me the dirtiest in Brooklyn are all reading bell Hooks.

726
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're all right.

727
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 6: You know, they're performative for mean some version of feminism

728
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 6: that whether they know it or not, they don't actually

729
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 6: mean and is for selfish purposes. And who knows if

730
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 6: they actually you know, read a single line of Bellhooks

731
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 6: in reality, but they're carrying it around with them at

732
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 6: the subway, so trying to signal to everyone that they're

733
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 6: a good person or a good guy. It's like those

734
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 6: the signals have changed. Yeah, and that's what we're seeing

735
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 6: a little bit here with Jack Quaid.

736
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: Right, Definitely, he's really I mean, he's really good at

737
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: playing this part. Yeah, and yeah, like you're totally right,

738
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 3: Kaitlin that like with Sergei, we sort of get the

739
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 3: for some reason via mister Wickham, another famously shitty guy.

740
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: So maybe that's the through line there, but that like

741
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: we're seeing different kinds of guys who suck. I guess

742
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: I'm just like, maybe it's a personal preference thing, but

743
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 3: it's like I just wanted something new because I was like, okay,

744
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 3: I Bo Burnham, I got got by bo Burnham, but

745
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: that was like five years ago. I gotta give me

746
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 3: a new flavor on this guy.

747
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is with Josh is that I don't

748
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: think the intention of the movie is that you get

749
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: got by him, because his misogyny is pretty on display.

750
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: It's maybe more subtle than the Sergae character. But that

751
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: scene where they arrive at the house and Iris is

752
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: expressing her insecurities about like, oh my gosh, what if

753
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: I embarrass myself in front of your friends or say

754
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 2: something stupid? And then he's like, shut up, oh my god,

755
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: you're just now bringing this up twenty feet from the door.

756
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: Just be cool, Chill the fuck out.

757
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 5: You know.

758
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: He's not using quite that language, but he's saying like

759
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: it's fine, just act happy in smile and then obviously

760
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: his misogyny runs way deeper than that, because I mean,

761
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: he's a man who wants a romantic partner who he

762
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: can control, and he has her intelligence level set to

763
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: a small fraction of what like, he wants someone who

764
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: he can manipulate.

765
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: And maybe what I'm getting at is, like, I guess

766
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 3: what I part of because the performative guy thing is

767
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: is everywhere in the real world right now. I feel

768
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: like there's a lot of guys that like, saw me

769
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 3: too happen ten years ago. They're like, Okay, I have

770
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: to adjust the language to be a dickhead now, but

771
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of them are not aware

772
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: they're doing it, And so I feel like it starts

773
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 3: with Jack Wade being an asshole, but like an asshole

774
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 3: who still fundamentally thinks he's a good guy. And then

775
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: at the end he's acting so villainous, like not flinching

776
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: when his dear friends are being stabbed by robots in

777
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: front of him, that you're that it felt like it

778
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: kind of like lost sight of the kind of shitty

779
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: guy I thought he was.

780
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 2: That's true, right, because also, yeah, his friend Eli dies,

781
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: his friend slash crush Cat dies, and he's like, well,

782
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: moving on, I need that twelve million dollars.

783
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

784
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 5: I definitely think the scariest part of the movie is

785
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 5: the scene with Sergey where he's just like slowly like

786
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 5: pushing the boundary and like asking her to put on

787
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 5: sunblock for him, and like that part was so effectively upsetting,

788
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 5: and I think that's probably like the part of the

789
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 5: movie where I was the most like scared too.

790
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also manipulating her because he says something like,

791
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: oh do you like this nice house?

792
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 7: Right?

793
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: Do you like this delicious food that I've provided? Are

794
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: you comfortable?

795
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 3: Well?

796
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 2: If so, I did that, and therefore you owe me something.

797
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: You owe me your presence and your company, so stay

798
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: here with me, and blah blah blah. And then he

799
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: gets more overtly grabby and a salty But yeah, he's

800
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: trying to manipulate her up until that point and because

801
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 2: of her program, but also there's like a societal mirror

802
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: of that, of like women being socialized to be polite

803
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 2: and accommodating. She's like, yeah, you're right, you did invite

804
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 2: me here, and I am enjoying the nice house, so.

805
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 3: Which becomes even like wilder when it's like, oh, this

806
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: is also how she's been programmed, likely by men, to

807
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 3: behave In response to something like that, I wanted more

808
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 3: of it, where she again with I'm gonna just like

809
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: fixate on the fact that I wish that she and

810
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: Kat had like had a more because Kat is coming

811
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: from such an interesting place where she is being treated

812
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 3: like shit by mister Wickham. Also she is frustrated, like

813
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: it seems like she is, like it's one of those

814
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: choices where there's two women in this movie and they

815
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: hate each other for reasons unclear, probably related to a guy. Like, Okay,

816
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: we've seen that a million times, but when you rewatch it,

817
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: you're like, no, she hates like she doesn't trust robots,

818
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: which I think is a very reasonable place to be

819
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: coming from. And I guess I wish that they got

820
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: into that a little bit more outside of the idea

821
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: of a romantic relationship, because I don't think that it is. Again,

822
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: it's tricky because I love fembot movies and I'm always

823
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: rooting for the fembot to kill everyone, but also, you know,

824
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: I'm in real life, I'm really not rooting for the

825
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 3: robots to kill anybody. I actually like really don't want

826
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 3: them to. Yeah, and I'm afraid of them, and so

827
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: I feel like there is like a I don't know.

828
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: I was really kind of connecting with kat on this

829
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 3: viewing where you're like, well, would I be nice to

830
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: a robot? I don't know.

831
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 6: Also, if you are like a single woman in the world,

832
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 6: and sexual politics is already complicated enough, the like the

833
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 6: playing field is already imbalanced enough, and then you throw

834
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 6: in fucking fembots into the equation. So like, now I've

835
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 6: got to compete with robot who's literally designed by men

836
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 6: to be like perfect, quote unquote perfect and do whatever

837
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 6: they want. And the version that they've designed is so

838
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 6: demeaning actually at the end of the day and depressing

839
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 6: because literally the only point of her existing is to

840
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 6: serve Josh. I think that also, as like a human woman,

841
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 6: you would be thinking, how how am I to live

842
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 6: in this world where, right, the man gets to have

843
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 6: a fembot and everyone thinks it's okay, that's another thing, Right,

844
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 6: this is clearly normalized in this world. No one gives

845
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 6: a shit. Everyone's like, that's cool, you get a fembot.

846
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 6: You do you? You would think there'd be some level

847
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 6: of shaming some level of like you can't even bag

848
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 6: a human woman, you have to get a robot. No,

849
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 6: they don't care. They don't care about that at all.

850
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 6: And as a human woman, that would bother me.

851
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

852
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the word she uses is you make me

853
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 5: feel so replaceable, and it is like, yeah, depressing thought

854
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 5: to think of men being like, oh yeah, let's get

855
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 5: rid of the human aspect and just make a little.

856
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: Little fuck bot, an automaton who's who exists only to

857
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: serve me and accommodate me, and who the men have

858
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 2: to put in no emotional effort to care for them,

859
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: because the men can just be like go to sleep.

860
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: Because there's also that scene like right after they have

861
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: sex and he busts, she's like trying to kind of

862
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: connect with connect with him emotionally and has like after

863
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: care and pillow talk and then he's just like go

864
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: to sleep and.

865
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: Like and I feel like the movie plays on that

866
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: really well of like on the rewatcher, like, oh, I

867
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,320
Speaker 3: just thought he treats women poorly, but he he's treating

868
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: women poorly in a way I didn't even understand. And

869
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 3: that's another cool I don't know conversation where it's like

870
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 3: that to some extent is happening, like you can have

871
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 3: an AI girl friend now, and you know whatever. I

872
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: don't really even want to wait into the shallow end

873
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 3: of that discussion, but but I feel like, in general,

874
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: so much of why these performative men exist, I feel

875
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 3: like is because they're like, Okay, now, I understand that

876
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 3: in order to have access to women at all, I

877
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 3: need to treat them with the most basic veneer of respect.

878
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: But when you put the fuck bot into the mix,

879
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 3: that goes away, Like they're like, I can treat this

880
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 3: robot however I want. There is no like if you

881
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 3: are a piece of shit. You're like, there is no

882
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 3: advantage to treating any woman with a measure of respect

883
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 3: because I can just have my fuck bought at home.

884
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: Who cares.

885
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: And we learn later in the movie from Matt McCarthy's

886
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: character that some men are using their robot companion women

887
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 2: as target practice, or that they chain them up in

888
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: the basements and torture them.

889
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 3: It's like you're like, yeah, yeah, I see that.

890
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so I agree that, Like the conversation that

891
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 2: Kat has with Iris really rewards on the rewatch because

892
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: at first you think cats maybe gel of Iris because

893
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: she and Josh either used to have a thing or

894
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: that she has feelings for him. And then when she

895
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 2: says that Iris makes her feel replaceable, that implies, Oh,

896
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 2: Kat and Josh used to date, and then he broke

897
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: up with her in favor of dating Iris. That's what

898
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 2: you interpret from the first watch. From the second watch,

899
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 2: you're like, Oh, Cat is resentful of this world where

900
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: men have these fuck bots that exist to serve their

901
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: every physical and emotional and housekeeping need. Also, it seems

902
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 2: like she does like the cooking and cleaning for Josh

903
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: and all that, and so that would make any human

904
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: woman feel yeah, like replaceable, inadequate, et cetera. But I

905
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: think that Cat's anger is a bit misplaced. Sure, sure,

906
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: like she doesn't necessarily want to hang out with a

907
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 2: robot lady, But I don't understand why she's not more

908
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: upset with Josh or men like Josh who would choose

909
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: a robot over a human woman, or like whatever the

910
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: company that's creating these fembots. So I wish that had

911
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: gone like, I don't know, I wish that it had

912
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: been handled differently. And I think if it was not

913
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: written by a man, if this movie was written by

914
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: a woman, her attitude would have, like her anger would

915
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: have been maybe directed elsewhere.

916
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 6: The other part of that dynamic is how having a

917
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 6: fuck bot would affect a man. This is another part

918
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 6: of like patriarchy harms everyone. Which is sure, it sounds

919
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 6: nice having a relationship that is so deeply convenient and

920
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 6: frictionless and easy and they do everything you want. However,

921
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 6: Josh Quaid like Josh Quaid, jack Quaid, Josh quad, Josh Quaite, sure,

922
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 6: that's his name.

923
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 4: Now he kind of.

924
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 6: Hates her, Like even from the beginning, he doesn't like her.

925
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 6: And it's because she's just him. It's she's just a

926
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 6: version of him.

927
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my child trying to open the door.

928
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 6: And she's like she's to Like basically he's seen himself

929
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 6: in her.

930
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 4: I mean, how could he not. All that's my.

931
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 6: Husband trying to get my four year old to not

932
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 6: burst in here because he really wants to talk about

933
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 6: fembots if we need.

934
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 5: To take Yeah, he watched the edited version. He's a

935
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 5: huge fan.

936
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 4: He has so much to say, so much on his mind.

937
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 6: Sorry, that point kind of interrupted, but basically, like he

938
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 6: hates her, which we see by the end of the film.

939
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 6: He means he's torturing her by the end because he

940
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 6: must be harboring some hate for her and is inside

941
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 6: of himself because he doesn't act. This is not what

942
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 6: anyone wants. No one acts. This is not real connection,

943
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 6: This is not real. This is not life affirming. This

944
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 6: is not making us better people. This is not like

945
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 6: adding to like how dynamic and beautiful life can be.

946
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 6: This is really tiny. Is a way to live your

947
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 6: life in the.

948
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 5: Tiniest little the safeness, a little flattening it. Yeah, and he.

949
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 6: On some level must know that and hate that about himself,

950
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 6: and it just sucks for everyone.

951
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, basically totally.

952
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 3: That's a really good point. Yeah that like he and

953
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 3: against Like, I wish that we had seen that a

954
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 3: little more of like this comes from a place of

955
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 3: insecurity and self hatred, and that is like a useful

956
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: thing to see and understand in men.

957
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 7: M m.

958
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

959
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it all feels like all of the opportunities and

960
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 3: like everything is there and you can see it, but

961
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: the way it comes together just feels like there's like

962
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 3: a lot left on the table because I'm not even

963
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 3: like I wouldn't even really care that Kat is rude

964
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 3: to Iris at the beginning if that pays off in

965
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: some way, but it doesn't change, like she's just like

966
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 3: fuck her, I hate her, even when she's like she's

967
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 3: seeing these like shades of gray in her friend Josh

968
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 3: Quaid that and she doesn't really react to it either.

969
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: I was like, so, are we just to believe that

970
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: every person in this movie except sort of Harvey Julian

971
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: is a tremendous piece of shit, Like I'm on board

972
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: for that, but I need to understand, like why they're

973
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 3: not reacting to certain things. I don't know. I mean,

974
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 3: I do, like I love I love a tech thriller,

975
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 3: and I just I feel like, with especially with how

976
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 3: people are feeling about AI at this specific moment, it

977
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 3: only kind of went like surface level, where yeah, there's

978
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 3: so many things to be scared of both.

979
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it does feel like that first act is

980
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 5: like was the impetus of the idea, and they're like, Oh,

981
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 5: this is gonna be so good. It's gonna be so good.

982
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 5: Sold it on that, and then yeah, like we're like, oh, yeah,

983
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 5: we have to write the rest of it, Okay, like

984
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 5: let's build that in. So I agree, it does kind

985
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 5: of it's super satisfying in the first third or first

986
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 5: half even and then yeah, a lot of those threads

987
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 5: get dropped or just kind of watered down. Yeah, so

988
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 5: it's it's it's a fun movie that doesn't like, doesn't

989
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 5: stick with me as much as I would like it too,

990
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 5: because I'm just yeah, didn't quite get all the way there.

991
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 3: But here's a question, can I even think off the

992
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: top of their head of a fembot movie that was

993
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 3: like made by a woman. Not to put anyone in

994
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: particular on blast, but like, I feel like most of

995
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: these movies are made by men. Uh for going to

996
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 3: Blade Runner, We're going to ex Makana. These are movies I.

997
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 2: Like, Stepford Wives, step.

998
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: Ford Wives, I'm pretty Sworld west World, Like, these are

999
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 3: movies that I'm pretty sure are made overwhelmingly by men.

1000
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 3: And and what I mean, I know why, but like

1001
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: but but maybe maybe don't. I don't know. I don't

1002
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 3: have much, I have no power. But it's just like

1003
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 3: I love a fembot movie, but I usually have some

1004
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 3: kind of issue with it that is similar to this,

1005
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: that just feels like maybe if a single woman, the

1006
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 3: movie doesn't even have to be good. Women's wrongs as well,

1007
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 3: but like I just feel like there's always like there's

1008
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 3: always something that just feels like weirdly and very obviously

1009
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 3: left on the table. And if you're choosing to make

1010
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: a fembot movie, you're walking into a feminist discussion. Like

1011
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: if you didn't want that, then you shouldn't have made

1012
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: a fembot movie. Like there is going to be a

1013
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 3: discussion around genter with this. But it is just like this,

1014
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 3: I mean, this is like not a call out to

1015
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 3: this movie in particular, but just as I was like

1016
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 3: going through the other fembo oh and we just covered

1017
00:57:54,120 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 3: her another like malo to her movie. Who made three again?

1018
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 4: Oh that's a man, I'm pretty sure.

1019
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure man.

1020
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 3: And look at God. Yes, written by a woman, So

1021
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 3: that's good.

1022
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 4: Oh.

1023
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 3: Written by Aquila Cooper, who also co wrote Malignant. Heallo.

1024
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 3: So I mean like it does, but I mean I

1025
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 3: don't know, just like another O Tour movie about a

1026
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: fembought by a guy. I'm like, maybe next time, let's

1027
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 3: let's try something.

1028
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 6: Different, someone else do it. I love the version of

1029
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 6: this movie. If okay, let's take this movie, we make

1030
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 6: it twenty minutes long.

1031
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 4: All right, all right, everything that happened.

1032
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: I love it.

1033
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 6: Twenty minutes then she because it's like, in a way,

1034
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 6: a coming of age film for a robot. Right, that's

1035
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 6: really interesting too, her character development. She's wearing like nineteen

1036
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 6: sixties clothes in the beginning that she's been given by empathics.

1037
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 6: By the end, she's got her robot arm revealed. She's

1038
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 6: wearing leather and jeans, and she's like about to ride

1039
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 6: off into the distance. So okay, so let's say that

1040
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 6: happens twenty minutes in and then it's like, what does

1041
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 6: this bitch do? You know?

1042
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 4: Like what happens next? Does she run for office?

1043
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: Like?

1044
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 4: What is what's happening?

1045
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 6: Is she gathering all the other robots together and making

1046
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 6: a robot army for an uprising? Is she doing a

1047
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 6: robot uprising? Is she just having a small cottage core

1048
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 6: life like experiencing you know, maybe like spelunking, going into

1049
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 6: you know, doing some like fun whimsical things in nature.

1050
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 6: I don't know, but it's kind of fun to think

1051
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 6: about that version of this story too.

1052
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, this that like brings up another question. I know

1053
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 5: it's like silly in a joke of the robot uprising,

1054
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 5: but her scenes with the Lucas Gauge character. I feel

1055
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 5: like that I was also having not really questions about

1056
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 5: but maybe like could there have been more there? I

1057
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 5: actually like can't remember now even anything they will said

1058
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 5: to each other.

1059
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 6: It's implying that they have consciousness because he can feel.

1060
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 6: He just GRIBs love and Patrick the robot describes his

1061
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 6: love for Eli in very poetic, beautiful human terms, like

1062
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 6: it seems like this is a robot instilled with consciousness,

1063
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 6: which is a whole other conversation we could be having

1064
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 6: because it seems pretty obvious these robots have consciousness and

1065
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 6: for these humans who are ignoring that, I'm like, right,

1066
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 6: would it be that easy to ignore someone who seems

1067
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 6: like a feeling, thinking person and treat them that way?

1068
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1069
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote this down and then was like this

1070
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,560
Speaker 3: is out of my pay grade, but like I just

1071
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 3: forne Turing Test question mark because theoretically, okay, like if

1072
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 3: it's a reveal that Lucas Gauges a robot and some

1073
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 3: people don't know that Lucas Gauge is a robot unless

1074
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 3: they're told, then like he's clearing the Turing test. If

1075
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: you're clearing the Turing test you have consciousness, and if

1076
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 3: you have consciousness, theoretically there would be like I don't.

1077
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 8: Know, like there are implications for that, right, Like yeah,

1078
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 8: like you're saying like people would be behaving a little

1079
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 8: differently or there would be some conversation around like they

1080
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 8: meant that there is kind of like a YadA YadA

1081
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 8: like Empathics we'll get in trouble, but it's like not

1082
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 8: clear if it's like I don't know, right.

1083
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 5: There's like legal limits to what their intelligence can be

1084
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 5: or something like maybe they had put some sort of

1085
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 5: limits on or intended to put limits on them, and yeah,

1086
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 5: I don't know, I mean I guess, yeah, getting into

1087
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 5: the legality of it is maybe not did.

1088
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 3: You have robot court drama that the movie touches on

1089
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 3: this very briefly without being specific at all, but it's

1090
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 3: this flashback scene where Iris is like being delivered to

1091
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: Josh's apartment and there are a couple Empathics employees to

1092
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 3: like facilitate that.

1093
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 2: And one of them is kind of going through a

1094
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: few different logistical things with Josh and he says like

1095
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 2: there are about a billion government regulations here, so obviously

1096
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 2: we can't like they can't have super strengths or super intelligence.

1097
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 2: So even if you set it to one hundred percent intelligence,

1098
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: that would be the equivalent of an IVY League grad,

1099
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: which doesn't necessarily even imply intelligence. That just implies that

1100
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: your parents are well connected and have a lot of money.

1101
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: But it's not as though they are one hundred percent capacity,

1102
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: like they have these regulations that limit the intelligence and

1103
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: limit the strength, but also like additional limitations as far

1104
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: as like they have no capacity to lie, they have

1105
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: no capacity to be violent unless their behavior has been

1106
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 2: like hacked and modified with these like hacking devices.

1107
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 3: I'm fine with the hacking device. I'm like a vague

1108
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 3: hacking device. Why not a hacking stick, the hacks the

1109
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 3: hack stick? Uh, the mystery bock? Sure?

1110
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 2: Why not?

1111
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 6: And then it's implied that happens all the time when

1112
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 6: they're when your friends are wheeling them out and they're like, oh,

1113
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 6: she's definitely modded, like of course she was modded, and

1114
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 6: they're so casual about it, like it happens all the time.

1115
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 3: This happens all the time. This is not the first

1116
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 3: robot murder and it won't be the last. Yeah, I

1117
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 3: don't know, but yes, speaking to like her Iris's relationship

1118
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 3: with Lucas Gage. Again, I'm like, this to me does

1119
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 3: not feel like a movie where everyone has to die

1120
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 3: except for Iris, Like it felt bizarre to me that

1121
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 3: people kept dying after I felt like it made sense.

1122
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 3: I guess where like cat dying felt like I don't know,

1123
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 3: killer and like sort of similar to Lucas Gage, where

1124
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, now we're getting into like robots suicidality,

1125
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 3: Like does that mean Lucas Gage he's gonna see Hervey

1126
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 3: Julian in heaven? Does he believe in heaven? Does he

1127
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 3: believe in God? I don't know why. I don't know.

1128
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 3: I guess that that is like supposed to illustrate the

1129
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 3: point that like he does have consciousness and he can

1130
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 3: experience such tragic loss that he could experience suicidality. But

1131
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 3: I'm also like, I'm also fine with Iris and Lucas

1132
01:04:05,640 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 3: Gage robot going on a road trip.

1133
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 5: That's what I was kind of rooting for. I think

1134
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 5: that that's what I wanted. As we're talking about it,

1135
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, yeah, they can, they can both ride off

1136
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 5: into the sunset, right, But.

1137
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 3: That's not what happened. That's no one I kind of forgot,

1138
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 3: Like on the rewearch, I was like, what does happen

1139
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 3: to the other robot?

1140
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 2: And then you're like, oh, okay, that Like his death

1141
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 2: scene felt so like to me tacked on or like, oh,

1142
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 2: we just need to get rid of him. So he

1143
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: does that, but I don't.

1144
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 3: Think you need to get rid of him, Like I

1145
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 3: think I would have liked to see either human woman

1146
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 3: and fembot unionized or robot and robot unionized.

1147
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, a teamy nappy would have been like.

1148
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 3: That would have been fun.

1149
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 2: I agree, speaking to the different times where like the

1150
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 2: movies starts to kind of say something, but like those

1151
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: threads unravel or doesn't like stick the landing in a

1152
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: satisfying way. There's that monologue or I guess it's a

1153
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 2: dialogue between Josh and Iris at the dinner table at

1154
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: the end where Josh is describing how, oh, the world

1155
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 2: is just a big game and it's rigged against people

1156
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 2: like me, which feels like commentary on Cisheit white men

1157
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: feeling as though.

1158
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I there's a war on everyone's against me.

1159
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because he says then like I'm a good guy,

1160
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 2: I'm nice, I'm decent in the world. He's implying like

1161
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 2: the world owes him things just because he's a quote

1162
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 2: unquote nice guy, which of course he's not, but he

1163
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 2: thinks that about himself, so he feels entitled to you know,

1164
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: women and money and blah blah blah, and Iris then

1165
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 2: respond with like, yeah, we all know, how much do

1166
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 2: you think the universe owes you? But you know, you're

1167
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 2: an entitled prick who always needs to be in control.

1168
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: And then she also makes a dig about his penis size,

1169
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 2: which is something that we've talked about on the podcast before,

1170
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 2: which like, yeah, that's probably gonna hurt a lot of

1171
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: people's feelings if their penis size is insulted. But there's

1172
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 2: like inherent problematic things with just using that as an

1173
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 2: insult period. But it just felt like another example that

1174
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 2: whole dialogue of like there's commentary starting to be made,

1175
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 2: but then it kind of tapers off into nothing.

1176
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 3: Well, but it's like, how much of that doesn't mean

1177
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 3: If that is immediately followed by us seeing a woman

1178
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 3: shoot herself in the head, you know, like how like,

1179
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 3: you know, whatever, I'm fine if if the movie, if

1180
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 3: the Fembot movie is like we have nothing to say

1181
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 3: about women, that's a choice. But it it's like, I

1182
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 3: feel like this movie says something and then shows you

1183
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 3: something else.

1184
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1185
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't really buying the feminist empowerment speech at the table.

1186
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 3: I wasn't feeling it right.

1187
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 6: I was thinking that scene at the table. Really, I

1188
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 6: was feeling so many feelings. And one of the first

1189
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 6: feelings was him sitting like so smug with his fucking

1190
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 6: goblet of wine.

1191
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: Like truly, he might as well have been patting a

1192
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 3: cat or something.

1193
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 6: Truly is so villainous, so evil. And the only thing

1194
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 6: I could think was he has failed upwards, like he

1195
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 6: has totally gotten to this point only because he's made

1196
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 6: one mistake after another mistake after another mistake after another mistake,

1197
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 6: constantly getting things wrong, never judging the scenario correctly. Everyone

1198
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 6: around him has died, Everything has gone to shit. And

1199
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 6: look at the audacity. Look at the audacity of this

1200
01:07:56,560 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 6: man who says, now now's my time to be like

1201
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 6: super confident. And it's like that to me. Also, oh

1202
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 6: just makes my like I get goosebumps, because I do

1203
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 6: feel like I have worked with some men who are

1204
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 6: like that, and it exist in the world, and it's

1205
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 6: remarkable how the human brain can really trick you into anything.

1206
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, right.

1207
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 2: Like you said, that happens in real life all the time,

1208
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: men feeling upwards and then being like, well, I've moved upwards.

1209
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 3: I get my accomplishment.

1210
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 4: Look at the proof of my success.

1211
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 3: I've killed everyone else, so I must deserve this, So

1212
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 3: I must be awesome, and this confidence is deserved. Yep,

1213
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 3: I don't know. Ultimately, I think my takeaway from this

1214
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 3: movie is that I want women to make fembot movies

1215
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 3: going forward. Nothing against I mean like it's nothing against

1216
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 3: this filmmaker or anything like that, but just like, leave

1217
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 3: the fembots to the girls. I think men have really

1218
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,520
Speaker 3: had their say, yeah, and they've had plenty of opportunities

1219
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 3: to make a comment. And it does feel like this

1220
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 3: movie is trying to say something about it, but it

1221
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 3: just like doesn't quite come together. Also, yeah, again, and

1222
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 3: just like going back to just like time warn horror

1223
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 3: tropes where this movie feels more like a thriller movie

1224
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 3: than a horror movie. Anyways, I don't think everyone needs

1225
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 3: to die. But by the end of the movie, basically

1226
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 3: Iris is the final girl and the gays have been buried.

1227
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 3: Every the people of color all dead, so is Jack

1228
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 3: quite Like everyone's dead, But it just didn't feel like

1229
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 3: that was needed. I don't know.

1230
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it focused more on cranking up the violence and deaths.

1231
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 3: Than like the actual story.

1232
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah itself.

1233
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 5: That said, it's like again very fun, a fun surprise,

1234
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 5: but then yeah, when you really dig into it, there's

1235
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 5: less than.

1236
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: You might then you wanted. Yeah, something that bumped from

1237
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 2: me was the violence toward the very end, where where

1238
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 2: Josh is like very violently throwing Iris around. It felt

1239
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: like I already know he's a bad guy. Like why

1240
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 2: it felt like kind of reveling in a man being

1241
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 2: horribly violent toward a woman.

1242
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it would have been nice if they added some

1243
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 5: like a twist on that because she's theoretically like made

1244
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 5: of metal, so him like trying to hurt her in

1245
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 5: that way and maybe not being able to because she's

1246
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 5: much heavier or something. I don't know, Like I kind

1247
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 5: of was expecting something a little different in that scene

1248
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 5: and then no, it was just him just like being

1249
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 5: violent towards her in a way that was.

1250
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:52,759
Speaker 2: Hard to watch.

1251
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 4: It was really hard to watch, right because at this.

1252
01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: Point Iris has total autonomy. This is after the teddy

1253
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 2: Empathics guy like gave her autonomy.

1254
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,520
Speaker 3: It's diocex djabuki.

1255
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 2: In theory, she probably would be stronger and sturdier, right

1256
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 2: than a human person. Yeah, why doesn't she go into

1257
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 2: like again terminator mode and like rip him in half?

1258
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 5: Yeah? True, we've seen Lucas Gage do it, and so

1259
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 5: it does feel like it kind of wanted that scene

1260
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,879
Speaker 5: to be in there where he realizes he's not stronger

1261
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 5: than her.

1262
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 2: Maybe Empathics is really sexist and they make the like

1263
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 2: male coded robots out of like titanium and then they

1264
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 2: make the like women ones out of like aluminum. Help.

1265
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I guess I didn't even think

1266
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 3: about that. But there's like, I mean, just going back

1267
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 3: into horror trumps we've talked about since the show started.

1268
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 3: Of like, I am both very pro corkscrew to the

1269
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 3: head the very creative, haven't seen that one before? And

1270
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 3: also is it not a household object where as Lucas

1271
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 3: Gage robot it has a fucking glock. Like the whole time,

1272
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 3: everyone has a gun except our final girl, who is

1273
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 3: still using the household object to get the final kill.

1274
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 2: She does wheeld the gun for a minute and then

1275
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 2: shoot at Josh. But yeah, it gets dropped pretty shortly

1276
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 2: after that.

1277
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I guess I appreciate also the for having

1278
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 5: a quote unquote buck bought in the movie not having

1279
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:32,840
Speaker 5: like a very graphic sex scene. Yeah, is I think

1280
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 5: the right right choice. Like all of the sex scenes

1281
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 5: are either off camera and you basically only hear Jack

1282
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 5: Quaid like.

1283
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 2: Busting the bus.

1284
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,440
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true.

1285
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 5: Or getting close ups of him. You never see any

1286
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 5: really any overly sexualized shots of Sophie thatcher at all.

1287
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 5: So I appreciate that decision very true.

1288
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that that is kind of like a

1289
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: hallmark of the fembot. They're like, she's not a per

1290
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 3: and so look away to look at.

1291
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 2: Her like perfect titties.

1292
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, the factory made booze and then she like grabs them.

1293
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 3: She's like, wait are these good? Yeah, that's true. That

1294
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 3: is true. That shows that shows some restraint and I

1295
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 3: respect them straight.

1296
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 2: But also the bar is in hell.

1297
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 3: Just like wow for making a movie about women, Like

1298
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 3: she didn't grab her titties?

1299
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 2: Ally ally, Yeah, does anyone have anything else they want

1300
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 2: to talk about?

1301
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 5: This is not really here nor there, but I did

1302
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 5: see in the trivia and just wanted to say it

1303
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 5: that Sophie Thatcher can cry from one eye, from each

1304
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 5: of her eyes on command, which I just that happens

1305
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 5: in Babylon and I thought, you know that that well,

1306
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 5: that could never happen in real life. And apparently Sophy Thatcher.

1307
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 4: Can do it.

1308
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: So just she can do like one I at a time,

1309
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 2: and like, yeah, choose, which I.

1310
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 5: Apparently, I mean according to IMDb trivia, so it's you know,

1311
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 5: not one hundred percent reliable, but I'm going to.

1312
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 3: Actually I'm going to say, yes, yeah, talent. She rocks.

1313
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: To me, she's actually yeah robot Yeah no, no, no,

1314
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 2: but wow, that's that is quite something.

1315
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just seemed important to share.

1316
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see more Sophie Thatcher. I'm like, yeah,

1317
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 3: she's also just for what it's worth, like her performance,

1318
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 3: I feel like is like the movie doesn't work if

1319
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 3: she's not convincingly a robot and still very sympathetic, and

1320
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 3: she she kills it.

1321
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: She's great.

1322
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 5: I have a friend who just worked with her on

1323
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 5: a on a movie and also says that she is wonderful,

1324
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 5: So that's always nice to hear too.

1325
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, yeah, I guess the last thing I had

1326
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 3: to say, and I guess this is I mean, you

1327
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,640
Speaker 3: guys know better than anyone. Like it's I feel like

1328
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,480
Speaker 3: horror movies are single handedly kind of keeping like original

1329
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:06,799
Speaker 3: storytelling alive. This movie was financially successful. It's nice seeing

1330
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,839
Speaker 3: and it's the filmmaker's first first movie that he directed.

1331
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 3: So even when I have various little gripes, I'm like

1332
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 3: always happy when an original story comes out and is

1333
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 3: properly marketed and successful. So that rocks totally.

1334
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 4: And it really could have been way worse.

1335
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 6: I have heard way worse, way worse than horror movies,

1336
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 6: way worse. So this is like a fun walk in

1337
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 6: the park compared to what they could have done with

1338
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 6: female sex spots.

1339
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 3: It's true. Yeah, we have the evidence. It's all around amazing. Well,

1340
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 3: I guess that does it. I forgot to pay attention

1341
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 3: to God does it pass excels test?

1342
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 5: I had a question mark on this because and.

1343
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 2: You guys, we're the experts in theory.

1344
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 5: You're the experts. But the only real option is that

1345
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 5: conversation with Kat.

1346
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 3: And I do feel like their most talking about their

1347
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 3: respective boyfriends. I mean, there might be an exchange that

1348
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 3: passes like inside of that conversation.

1349
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 5: She says, it's not you that I don't like, it's

1350
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,719
Speaker 5: the idea of you. You make me feel replaceable. And

1351
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 5: Sophie Thatcher says, like, but Kat, you're so brave and fierce.

1352
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: Confidently, Yeah, I wish I could be more like you.

1353
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 5: But it's all kind of about the larger contor for men.

1354
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, exactly.

1355
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 5: So I was confused if it did or not.

1356
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 2: Like maybe it's a technical pass, but also looking at

1357
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 2: the larger circumstances, maybe not. But also I have a

1358
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 2: theory that movies, especially ones that are written and directed

1359
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:49,759
Speaker 2: by men in the modern era, know about the Bechdel

1360
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 2: Test and they're like, shit, I have to write are

1361
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 2: two women. I have to make them talk her else everyone.

1362
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:59,440
Speaker 3: Will yell at me. I would say it like spiritually

1363
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 3: for me this movie, I don't know, Like I think

1364
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 3: spiritually yes and no, because Iris is a great character,

1365
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 3: Like I'm rooting for her the whole time, YadA YadA.

1366
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 3: But it's like if you if you, as a male filmmaker,

1367
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 3: decided to make a movie about a fem bot and

1368
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 3: you're having these this clearly like intended to be performative.

1369
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 3: Male guy they're like I needed to pay off in

1370
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 3: a more meaningful way than this movie does.

1371
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 2: Also, it's like if Kat doesn't like Iris, which gets

1372
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:38,639
Speaker 2: clearly established in which Kat more or less says why

1373
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 2: is she, then like, I feel like that scene needs

1374
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 2: to be framed differently, where like kind of Iris pulls

1375
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 2: cat aside to be like, Hi, can we like have

1376
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 2: a little like one on one chat girl to.

1377
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 3: Girl or something like that, But it's like, I guess

1378
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 3: we don't. Yeah, how does that what motivates that scene happening?

1379
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 3: I thought it was just because they were just kind

1380
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 3: of bored and the men in the room were ignoring them,

1381
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 3: were yeah, right, right.

1382
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 2: But that's why I think. I think the way it's

1383
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 2: framed makes that scene almost feel tacked on, and like

1384
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 2: further supports my theory that it's like, oh no, I

1385
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:11,960
Speaker 2: need to write a scene.

1386
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 3: Where women interact.

1387
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Because it's like the way it's framed,

1388
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 2: it just again, it feels very it feels kind of

1389
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: wedged in, and you could take out that scene and

1390
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 2: basically nothing about the narrative would change. Yeah, So I

1391
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 2: feel like it could have been maybe like justified narratively

1392
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: a bit more if it was again like Iris having

1393
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: the agency to approach Cat and be like, hey, it

1394
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 2: seems like you don't like me. Can we talk about

1395
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 2: why or something like that, or if.

1396
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 3: They like ever spoke again after that, which I think

1397
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 3: now I'm like, maybe that scene was added.

1398
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, just need another conversation.

1399
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, part of me wants to watch that scene

1400
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 6: and then just the little scene of after Cat gets

1401
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 6: stabbed and she goes and sits on the couch and

1402
01:18:56,360 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 6: she just bleeds out quietly next to Iris, who's turned off,

1403
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 6: and she's just they're both looking outside, looking at the weather,

1404
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 6: and part of me wants to like watch the first

1405
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 6: scene of them talking and then immediately watch that scene

1406
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 6: because it's like, wow, look at where that conversation got

1407
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 6: you guys. It's not in a good place.

1408
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, where It's like, I don't know, in other

1409
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 3: fembot movies that I also like, because I do like

1410
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 3: this movie for everything that we've said, right, it's fun,

1411
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 3: But like for other fembot movies, I feel like when

1412
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 3: women don't talk it is for a clear reason. Like

1413
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 3: the reason women aren't talking in Ex Machina is because

1414
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 3: Alicia Vyskandor is locked in a cell like there she

1415
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 3: is being intentionally.

1416
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: Kept and Ascar Isaac has programmed his other fembots to

1417
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 2: not be able to speak at all.

1418
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 4: Question mark like just dance.

1419
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, like it is it is important to the

1420
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 3: story that like women can't talk to each other because

1421
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 3: when they do, they kill Oscar Isaac. Right, But in

1422
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 3: this it's like it just feels very unmotivated. Why there

1423
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 3: are no further conversations and then the only other woman

1424
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:06,760
Speaker 3: is like killed off. To me, it just felt like

1425
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 3: because the story never really decided what to do with her.

1426
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think that's the biggest takeaway for me

1427
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 5: is just like that exactly what we said, A lot

1428
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 5: left on the table there and an opportunity to have

1429
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 5: a more interesting conversation that didn't happen.

1430
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 3: And then the most important metric of all, the pectel

1431
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 3: Cast nipple test, is.

1432
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 2: Where we rate the movie on a scale of zero

1433
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 2: to five nipples, examining it through an intersectional feminist lens.

1434
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 2: For me, I think this is like a split down

1435
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 2: the middle. It's not like it's trying to say something,

1436
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 2: it's trying to comment on gender and it's trying to

1437
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 2: comment on the type of misogyny that especially in like

1438
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 2: hetero men or men who are interested in women and

1439
01:20:56,200 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 2: want to be with them romantically and or sexually, but

1440
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 2: their misogyny means that they hate women and don't view

1441
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 2: women as human beings with thoughts or feelings. And in

1442
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 2: this case, it's a man who wants a partner he

1443
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 2: can control and customize and who will not have to

1444
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:24,200
Speaker 2: be emotionally present for yep, who will obey his every

1445
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 2: emotional need, but he does not have to reciprocate that

1446
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:33,879
Speaker 2: at all, who won't like upstage him intellectually or anything

1447
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: like that. He has a very specific idea of what

1448
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 2: he thinks he wants from a romantic partner, and look

1449
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,680
Speaker 2: how it ends up. Because Henley, to your point, like

1450
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: really horrible men might think they want a woman who

1451
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 2: they can control or who he won't have to do

1452
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 2: any like emotional reciprocity with or anything like that. But

1453
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 2: it's so surface and superficial that that doesn't actually serve

1454
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: anyone but he. But he thinks that's what he wants

1455
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 2: and needs, and then it gets him killed. So there's

1456
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: commentary that like is present. I think we just all

1457
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 2: agree that it could go, It could have gone a

1458
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 2: bit further and it would have been a more satisfying movie.

1459
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 2: And again, Jamie, to your point, led people have marginalized genders.

1460
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 3: Literally anything anyone else, like literally like just not another

1461
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 3: white guy making a fembot movie. I just don't think

1462
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 3: there is something new to say from that demographic at

1463
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 3: this time.

1464
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 2: Definitely yep. So I'll say two and a half nipples

1465
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 2: and I'll give them two Sophie Thatcher and Megan Surry

1466
01:22:54,720 --> 01:23:03,040
Speaker 2: who plays Cat and my half nipple to the hack Stick.

1467
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 3: I'll go to it a half as well. Yeah, I

1468
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 3: think that, like like a lot of movies in this genre,

1469
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 3: like it Start. I don't know, it's so weird talking

1470
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 3: about like this genre of movie like post get Out,

1471
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 3: because I feel like there is now this expectation that

1472
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 3: there needs to be overt social commentary in every movie,

1473
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 3: but like not if you don't really have anything to say,

1474
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 3: I'm going two and a half nipples. I'm gonna give

1475
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 3: one to Iris, I'm gonna give one to Djabouki. I'm

1476
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 3: gonna give the half one to Harvey Julienne. I wish

1477
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 3: he had stayed a live longer.

1478
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 2: I know, Sammy Henley, how about you agree about the nipples?

1479
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 2: About the nipples full agree?

1480
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll do I'll do three nipples, why the heck not?

1481
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: Why not?

1482
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 6: Hell yeah, just go for it, Sammy do three.

1483
01:23:54,080 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 5: Just slightly tipping towards positive in that. Yeah, I think

1484
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:07,759
Speaker 5: you tried. They tried. We didn't get there, but I

1485
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:15,919
Speaker 5: will give the three nipples to the cool exposed robot

1486
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:22,679
Speaker 5: hand I really liked that one. To the beautiful house

1487
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 5: and Lucas Gage Terminator style.

1488
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 3: Yes, I would love to see another Lucas Gage Terminator

1489
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 3: concepts just.

1490
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:34,719
Speaker 4: To spin off.

1491
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Thank you both so much for coming

1492
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 3: on the pod and going full fembot with us.

1493
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,240
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you so much for having us. This

1494
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,640
Speaker 5: was great and I didn't even know that I like,

1495
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 5: really needed to get into my feelings about this movie

1496
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 5: because on a first viewing I kind of watched it

1497
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 5: and then immediately.

1498
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 4: Forgot about it.

1499
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 5: And this was really great really digging into it.

1500
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for doing it with us.

1501
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 6: I was very happy to have an excuse to watch it.

1502
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 6: I probably wouldn't have watched it otherwise, and it was

1503
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 6: I was really enjoyable and it made me. It made

1504
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 6: me think about some things, just a few things, just

1505
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 6: a couple of thoughts, not too many.

1506
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 4: Don't take it too seriously. But it was fun. And yeah, I.

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Speaker 6: Love Sophie Thatcher and Josh Quaid. Yeah, this is it's

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Speaker 6: really it's really fun to get to.

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Speaker 4: Talk to you about with both of you, so, oh

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Speaker 4: my gosh. Likewise, thank you for having us on. Where

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Speaker 4: can people follow you?

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Speaker 2: Check out your podcast, et cetera.

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Speaker 6: We are too scared and watch and we are on

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Speaker 6: Instagram at t SDW podcast and.

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Speaker 5: We're kind of on TikTok. Now we have a social

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Speaker 5: media manager.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me.

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Speaker 5: I don't personally go on there, but.

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Speaker 6: I know I don't even know what she's she's pulling

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Speaker 6: some clips and hopefully we're now embarrassing ourselves too much online.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, although that's probably unavoidable.

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Speaker 5: And I'll just plug, I mean, because why not. We've

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Speaker 5: Jackuade has been on an episode of ours. He recapt

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Speaker 5: on the Dead with us. If you're a jackquad fan,

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Speaker 5: check that one out. He was a delight. He was

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Speaker 5: very kind in person, not like the second half of

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Speaker 5: this movie. Can you imagine if.

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Speaker 4: He came on our podcast and treated us like that?

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Speaker 4: Not at all?

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Speaker 3: He gasled us he tried to kill us. Well, we're

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Speaker 3: big fans of the show. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: coming on.

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Speaker 5: Thank you guys for having us, of course, and you

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Speaker 5: can follow us on Instagram and.

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Speaker 2: The best way to support the show is to subscribe

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Speaker 2: to our Patreon aka Matreon, where we do two bonus

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Speaker 2: episodes a month, plus you get access to the back

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Speaker 2: catalog of nearly two hundred bonus episodes all for five

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Speaker 2: dollars a month at patreon dot com.

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Speaker 7: Slash Bechtel Cast with that Let's go to sleep, Go

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Speaker 7: to sleep, Jamie go to sleep, Sammy go to sleep,

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Speaker 7: Henley and go to sleep, Caitlyn go to sleep.

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Speaker 3: Listener, Bye bye. The Bechdel Cast is a production of iHeartMedia,

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Speaker 3: hosted and produced by Me Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 2: And me Kitlyn Dorante. The podcast is also produced by

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Speaker 2: Sophie Lichtermann and.

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Speaker 3: Edited by Caitlyn Durrante. Ever Heard of Them? That's me

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Speaker 3: and our logo and merch and all of our artwork

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Speaker 3: in fact are designed by Jamie Loftis, Ever heard of her?

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Speaker 3: Oh My God? And our theme song, by the way,

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Speaker 3: was composed by Mike Kaplan with vocals by Katherine Voskrasinski, iconic,

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Speaker 3: and a special thanks to the one and only Aristotle Acevedo.

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Speaker 2: For more information about the podcast, please visit linktree slash

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