1 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Hey, there, everybody. It is Sunday, March twenty ninth. It 2 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: is not just any Sunday. It is Palm Sunday, the 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: beginning of the holiest week of the year for Catholics 4 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: and Christians around the world. And Pope Leo, addressing his faithful, 5 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: told us and Israeli leaders to cease fire. Unfortunately, it 6 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: looks like the opposite is taking place. And with that, everyone, 7 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of amy. And TJ Babe I 8 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: was wondering, Yes, this is Palm Sunday. Yes, this is 9 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: a significant day for Christians around the world, But how impactful, 10 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: how influential are religious leaders? 11 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 2: Even the Pope himself at this point in the. 12 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 3: World irrelevant, He's irrelevant to stopping war because you have 13 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: three sides involved in this war, israelis Iranians, Americans, and 14 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: all three think they got God on their sides. This 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 3: isn't Why were they listen to him? They already have 16 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: been spoken to by God on this mission. So no, 17 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: his words were powerful, but they fly in the face 18 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 3: of what we've been hearing for the past I guess 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: a month almost of this war from all sides. 20 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 2: You know what, it's so interesting, you say that, because 21 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: that is exactly what the Pope addressed. He actually talked about. 22 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: You know, and you just mentioned the three leaders. 23 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: You've got a Christian, You've got Jewish, and you've got 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: Muslim faiths. I mean, you've literally have the three powerhouses 25 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: of religions who have fought historically for thousands and thousands 26 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: of years for land, for power, and for the right 27 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: to say that their religion is the right religion. But 28 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: to your point, among the comments, and we'll get into 29 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: what the Pope had to say specifically, but I want 30 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: to read the one thing he said that just spoke 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: to what you talked about. Some even go so far 32 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: as to invoke the name of God to justify these 33 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: choices of death. But God cannot be enlisted by darkness. Rather, 34 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: he always comes to bring light, hope, and peace to humanity. 35 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: I do find it so interesting that we all use 36 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 1: and I say we meaning these countries and historically God. 37 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 2: As a justification to kill and murder people. 38 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 3: Oh, it's been happened since the beginning of time. There's 39 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 3: a a joke one down, like the whole world was 40 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 3: getting along until this magic baby was born in Jerusalem. 41 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: That's a joke that somebody made, a comedian made. But 42 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: the point there is it is valid that you go 43 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: through history and people have fought, people have died, and 44 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: people have killed, all in the name of religion and 45 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: in the name of God. If you've got God on 46 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 3: your side going into battle, you can't be defeated. And 47 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 3: we got somebody is wrong because God ain't telling all 48 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: of us to be bombing each other. So is there 49 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: a right and wrong look that we're I get into 50 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: that religious conversation because it's not our lane. But the 51 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: fact remains that we are watching a war. Yes, we 52 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 3: see bombs. It's over nuclear weapons, it's over Aroan not 53 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 3: being able to menace the world. But based on some 54 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 3: of the language we have been seeing, the argument is 55 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: there is a religious war going on. 56 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: I never even thought about it in those terms, but 57 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 1: it always has blown my mind that you could have 58 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: that thought. But also when you think about specifically, let's 59 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: just talk about Christians on this Palm Sunday, the people 60 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: wear the bracelets, what would Jesus do. Jesus was about forgiveness. 61 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: Jesus was about turning the other cheeks. So it does always, 62 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: it always flies in the face of the religion I 63 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: was brought up with that we could use that then 64 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: to justify a war, and so Pope Leo had a 65 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: few strong words, and I actually thought this is Look, 66 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: this is the first American pulp in the history of 67 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: the Vatican, and so to have American pope speak on 68 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: something that America is absolutely doing right now, I was 69 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: hoping could be impactful. 70 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. You know, we see. 71 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: Jade Vance going over he's a Catholic and meeting the pope. 72 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: And we've certainly seen presidents, US presidents meet popes and 73 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: give them, I guess some level of honor and respect, 74 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: But do they truly listen to what religious leaders say anymore? 75 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: The impact of religion even in this world, despite the 76 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: fact that we might be fighting because of it or 77 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: for it because we think it's on our side, it 78 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: really the power or the impact on it is almost 79 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: nothing at this point. 80 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 4: The problem is to keep it separated? All right? You can't. 81 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: It's fine, You're supposed to keep it separate. Right, Politicians 82 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 3: are doing something, civilians are doing something related to war, 83 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 3: and that's okay. The problem comes when you're launching that 84 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: war and saying that Jesus, that God is on your side, 85 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 3: that you have a divine mission. That is where pope 86 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 3: and religious leaders will that in and say, WHOA, you're 87 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: going to do your war thing, but don't talk about 88 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 3: my guy saying he is endorsing what you're doing. 89 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: And it's so interesting because he talked about people doing that, 90 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: and I there was an article Pete hegseth. 91 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. 92 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know this he led, and this is one 93 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: of his first I guess since the war began. 94 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: But he leads a monthly worship service. Did you know that? 95 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 96 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 4: And people have all kinds of issues with him doing so. 97 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: They have all kinds of issues with him turning almost 98 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 3: the US military into a Christian military. 99 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 2: You know what's crazy is I was not aware of that. 100 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: So I learned something new reading about the pope and 101 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: then reading about our secretary of war or our defense secretary. Yes, 102 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: leading a monthly worship service. And this week he recited 103 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: a prayer given by a chaplain, I guess, to the 104 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: troops ahead of Venezuela. 105 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: Venezuela. 106 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: Yes, so you're familiar with this specific prayer he read aloud. 107 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, he read the prayer and it was a justification 108 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: for what not just saying protect our troops, but saying, Lord, 109 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: make sure they have specific targets for their violence. Please 110 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: allow for overwhelming violence and action, clear and righteous thoughts 111 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: for violence. He set this stuff, break the teeth of 112 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: the ungodly. This is the prayer. Now he is hoping 113 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 3: that the Good Lord will help us kill as forcefully 114 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: and violently as possible. 115 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, he said overwhelming violence, yes to people who deserve 116 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: no mercy, for justice to be delivered without remorse. 117 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: And we ask these things in the name of Jesus Christ. 118 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: And I think the Pope was specifically referencing this. 119 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 4: It seems wild. 120 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 3: And again people have their religious beliefs and you think 121 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: the Lord is on your side, and you think the 122 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,559 Speaker 3: God and Jesus are telling you you got to wipe 123 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: out what you think and what God thinks is evil 124 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: in the world. Rome, How can you ever think you're 125 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 3: in the wrong if you say, God, it's not just 126 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: me making a decision. God is telling me I have 127 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: to kill. 128 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: Okay, it's as if. 129 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: And it's so interesting this is all happening at the 130 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: beginning of Holy Week, because this is a week that 131 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: starts out with celebration, and it obviously on Good Friday, 132 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: we have the crucification of Jesus Christ. It's a day 133 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: of morning, it's a day of sorrow. But then three 134 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: days later, on Easter Sunday, you have renewal, you have rebirth, 135 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: and the lessons learned through the arc of this week you're. 136 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: Supposed to then apply to your life. 137 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: And so it was the perfect moment for the Pope 138 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: to say something, But it seems like it isn't received 139 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: in the way it's intended. 140 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: Let every round find its mark, Like if I'm sitting 141 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: in church. 142 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 4: I went to church every Sunday. 143 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: As a kid, and my preacher is up there praying 144 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: that we are able to kill effectively. It's not something 145 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 3: I am. Okay, I didn't come up with that. I 146 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: don't think you did, or a lot of people did. 147 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: But roads historically, when you I mean, there have been, 148 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 3: I mean religious wars period, point blank. 149 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting because as we've seen different wars play 150 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: out over our lifetimes, we hear about extremist Islamic clerics 151 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: calling for flatois is that like the religious war to yes, 152 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: just annihilate your enemies. I don't remember hearing that from 153 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: the United States before. 154 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 3: Now it's a break from the norm. Most will tell 155 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 3: you is that you don't. They stay away from to 156 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 3: a great degree that type of language. And again, heg 157 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: Seth has been up to this, He's changed, He's changed 158 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: the importance of significance, the relevance of chaplains throughout the military. Chaplains, 159 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,599 Speaker 3: there's an argument, I think it's a lawsuit, even the 160 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: over chaplains now being so focused on Christianity. Chaplains are 161 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 3: supposed to be there to support you spiritually in whatever 162 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: religion you are. That's what the chaplain's for. It's not 163 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 3: supposed to be focused on one religion that's taking place. 164 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, Hexa's words necessarily right now aren't 165 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: new or should be a surprise, but they are jarring. 166 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: It's jarring on Palm Sunday when you are praying that 167 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 3: we can kill better, pray that we find our target better, 168 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 3: not praying for our safety, not praying for troop safety, 169 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 3: praying for a swift end, praying for overwhelming, praying for 170 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: Irinians to come to their senses. You could even argue, 171 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 3: you could I would be open to that, praying for 172 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: death destruction. But you justify by saying God's on my side, 173 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: and these are the enemies of God. 174 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: You demonize the other side. They are the devil, They 175 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: are inspired by evil. We are good. They are bad. 176 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 3: Problem they're rolled as you start talking about that, you're 177 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: going with a majority of this sunny Muslim country that. 178 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 4: That's you've got enough problems. 179 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: Rose when it comes to how we DEMONI we are 180 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: now literally in some circles they are making that argument. 181 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 3: We are Christians trying to take out Muslims. 182 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: Wow. 183 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 4: And the language, some of the language suggests. 184 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: That, yes, okay. 185 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 1: I want to make sure I read just a couple 186 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: of the sentences from Poplio, because I really do. I 187 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: wanted it to be some lightness, because there is so 188 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: much darkness. 189 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: And he speaks to that. 190 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: He says, for two weeks, it's actually longer than two weeks, 191 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: but for two weeks, the peoples of the Middle East 192 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: have been suffering the atrocious violence of war. In the 193 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: name of Christians in the Middle East and of all 194 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: women and men of goodwill, I appeal to those responsible 195 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: for this conflict cease fire. 196 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: Today. 197 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: Many of our brothers and sisters in the world are 198 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: suffering because of violent conflicts caused by the absurd claim 199 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: that problems and disagreements can be resolved through war when 200 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: instead we must engage in unceasing dialogue for peace. 201 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: I thought that was really well said. 202 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 3: But is it spoken as a guy who is not 203 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 3: a world leader, who has to deal with threats, who 204 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 3: is deal with protecting people. I get the argument could 205 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 3: be made period. Right aside from some of the language 206 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: that heg Seth used argument, they could be they're coming 207 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: from two different places, and a president of a nation 208 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: and the leader of Catholics have two different aims and goals, 209 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: and he I think world leaders can't just follow. Well, okay, 210 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: what would Jesus do? I get that to a certain degree. 211 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: That is a fair point. 212 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: So, yes, we are not doing what Jesus would do, 213 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: at least according to the Jesus we know from the Bible. 214 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: In fact, we're doing quite the office. We're prepping for 215 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: a potential ground invasion. We'll tell you when we come 216 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: back the latest on that and where the American people 217 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: stand on the possibility of this escalation in the war 218 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: with Iran. Welcome back everyone to this Sunday Palm Sunday 219 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: episode of Amy and t and the Pope just made 220 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: some powerful remarks to the folks in there, and Saint 221 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: Peter Square also then took a really incredible and inspirational 222 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: homily to a Rome parish where he talked specifically about 223 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: the violence happening right now in Iran and imploring the 224 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: leaders of the United States and Israel and frankly even 225 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 1: Iran to put down their arms. That is absolutely not 226 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: going to happen. In fact, there is now talk of 227 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: a US ground invasion. Reportedly, there has been preps going 228 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: on for weeks now, and we've seen troop movement. 229 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: And this is Washington Post reporting this morning. They're talking 230 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 3: about they are a plant out, talking about the President 231 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: now has a decision to make like plan that been 232 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 3: put in front of him for a possible we have 233 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 3: we've positioned ourselves for this move but rope, are we 234 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 3: talking about dre I know it shouldn't just be about 235 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 3: money and markets, but I shuddered to think what the 236 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: world is going to look like on Monday, waking up 237 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: thinking that US troops are about to invade around. 238 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: I just got chills from head to toe because yes, markets, 239 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: oil and loss of life, because this is now a 240 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: very different situation if in fact this does happen, reportedly 241 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: Washington Post saying maybe not a full scale invasion, but 242 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: they called it a mixture of special ops and conventional 243 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: infantry troops that have targeted sites. The straight of horror moves, 244 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: obviously is of most concerned right now. Carolyn Levitt gave 245 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: this quote to the Washington Post about a final decision 246 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: that may have to be made now by the president. 247 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: She said, it's the job of the Pentagon to make 248 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: preparations in order to give the commander in chief maximum optionality. 249 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: It does not mean the president has made a decision. 250 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: What that says to me, though, is that he has 251 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: one to make. 252 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: What it says to me is I need to read 253 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 3: more and get up on the word optionality. I didn't 254 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 3: having used that one. 255 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if I was pronouncing it right. Actually, 256 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 2: but that is. 257 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 4: I That's not one I'm used to. 258 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry I got so distracted in this conversation 259 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: that I couldn't see past optionality. 260 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 2: That's really funny. 261 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 4: Okay, sorry, baby, what did you say? I have no 262 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 4: idea what she. 263 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 2: Just basically said. 264 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, the Pentagon has been prepping to basically give the 265 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: president an option. 266 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: To invade on the ground with boots on the ground. 267 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: And yes, twenty five hundred marines have now been positioned 268 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: around the Middle East. That was Saturday, so just yesterday 269 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: they have gotten Look this, that's kind of ominous. Think 270 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: about we invaded February, not invaded, we attacked, We struck 271 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:37,119 Speaker 1: Iran February twenty eighth. March twenty eighth. We've now positioned 272 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: twenty five hundred additional marines on the ground in the 273 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: Middle East, ready to go. 274 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: And I think it was at least a week ago, 275 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: and several times since President actually say we won, said 276 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: this thing is over. He has said he's going to 277 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: wrap this up soon. Say they have been obliterated. 278 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: I don't want to make a deal yet they're begging 279 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: for a deal all of this. 280 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: And again, look, these are military strategists to know what 281 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: they're doing and know how to use the threat of 282 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 3: action possibly or is this going to be action brokes? 283 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: I don't know, but thinking things. You remember the. 284 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: Stocks shot up, oil price is shot down because he 285 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 3: opened his mouth and said that things were wrapping up. 286 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 4: How is this going to be ready? 287 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: He said that Iran agreed to stop pursuing nuclear capability. 288 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they agreed everything said that. 289 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: Okay, here's what Iranian state media has said now that 290 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: word has gotten out, Yes, that a ground invasion is 291 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: possible and potentially likely. 292 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 4: Bro Can I thought you there for a second. 293 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 3: Isn't it crazy to how I would used to we 294 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 3: would all used to be so dismissive of what Iranyan 295 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 3: State TV said. 296 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: Yep. 297 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: Now I'm comparing what they say compared to what our 298 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: people say. 299 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: That's where we are right now, because if you the 300 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: point being is as journalists, you could not trust what 301 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: certain governments said because it was all propaganda. And we 302 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: are now basically in that same spot with the United States. 303 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: And that is a fair statement given what we have 304 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: heard from our president and what has actually been true. 305 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: You know what, that is actually fair And this is 306 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 3: not a left right media thing that that is really 307 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: actually true. Roads how many times something has gone not 308 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 3: just confusing statements, but statements that you won't even talk 309 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: about Mineapolis talk about the stuff cash Betel has put 310 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: out that ends up being one hundred percent wrong. 311 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 4: Right. 312 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: They say things to us that fly in the face 313 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: of the reality, to what our own eyes are telling 314 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 3: us and to what's actually facts on a ground So when. 315 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: You're flighting one on one, when you. 316 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: Said Iranian state media, I would normally, ah, let's not 317 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 3: even say it. 318 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: Now I'm going hm hm, what did they have to say? 319 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: Let's compare. Let's compare, because somewhere in between is the truth. 320 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: Yes, Iranian state media, thank you for that guy's crazy. 321 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 4: But you stop me. I heard it. I'm like, I 322 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 4: wouldn't normally just dismiss. 323 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: No, I'm like, hmmm, you're so right. So this is 324 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: what they had to say. 325 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: Iran's forces are quote waiting for American soldiers to enter 326 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: on the ground so they can set them on fire. 327 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: The next thing, Iran will not accept humiliation or surrender. 328 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: We are certain we can punish Americans and make it 329 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: regret ever considering an attack on Iran. So they are saying, 330 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: bring it on now. Whether or not they can handle 331 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: it is another thing. But they have already proven that 332 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: they found our achilles heel, they found the world's achilles heel. 333 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 1: They know their power, they figured it out, and now 334 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: they got the straight of Hormuz and they say, yeah, 335 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: we can cripple the world economy. We can do a 336 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: lot of things here in Iran, isn't it crazy. 337 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 4: We a waterway that most people have heard. 338 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: Of generator kind of yeah, I guess it exists. 339 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: Obviously we have to because we've been median you know, 340 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: OPEC and oil producing countries and all this stuff. Oh, 341 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 3: over time, you're familiar. But now folks are realizing, wait 342 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 3: a minute, this is more important to me. This is 343 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 3: the most important body of water to my life in 344 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: the United States. 345 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: Apparently, yes, because we can't do anything we can't afford oil. 346 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: So this is also I wonder how much we fairly 347 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 2: we knew. 348 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: We discussed what the impact of religious leaders, even the 349 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: Pope has on anything that world leaders do at this point. 350 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: But I wonder how important. 351 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: What the threshold is for US leaders on where the 352 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: American people stand on this escalation in war going into 353 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: Iran on the ground, boots on the ground. There is 354 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: a new poll from AP and the National Opinion Research 355 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: Center at the University of Chicago about what the United 356 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: States what American people feel about a ground invasion. 357 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: I don't think these numbers will surprise you. 358 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: Sixty two percent of people strongly oppose the use of 359 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: ground troops. Oh, only twelve percent are in favor. Grobes, 360 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: my god, the twelve percent. 361 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 3: You know what that is one moment, one time Americans 362 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: are like, wait a minute, you're putting one of our 363 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: pe You don't have to have a family member, you 364 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 3: don't have to have a friend. 365 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 4: But rolled the idea of one of our troops being in. 366 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: A foreign high still land is something we just that 367 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 3: turns our stomachs in this country. And I don't know 368 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 3: what the level of tolerance that's going to be world. 369 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 3: We're in pain in this country, from our politics and 370 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 3: our rhetoric, to what is happening at the airports, to 371 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 3: what is happening in Minnesota, to now what is happening 372 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 3: in war, what is happening at the grocery store, at 373 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 3: the gas stations. 374 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 4: We are in chaos at fields. 375 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: Everyone has been impacted in some way by all of this. 376 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: And thirteen, I believe that's the count. Thirteen American service 377 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: members have already died. When you start talking about putting 378 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: folks on the ground, we have to have a tolerance 379 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: for losing many, many, many more of our men and 380 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: women who are defending this country and are now being 381 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: put into a position where they are invading another country. 382 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 3: It's just we're told, it's just we're told this is 383 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 3: a just war and this had to be done because 384 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: we were in imminent danger. We were told that. Do 385 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 3: we still believe that. I don't know, but tell me 386 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 3: a nuclear bomb was close to being ready to fire 387 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 3: the United States in a matter of days and we 388 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 3: had to do this. Okay, but that's not what we 389 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 3: were told. We were told that, then we told something else, 390 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 3: and then we went back to that, then we told 391 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: this other thing, then we added this other alternative objective. 392 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 3: It just we nobody can feel good right now, robes 393 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 3: about where we are and what we're doing. It just 394 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: and so this new thing. And look the Pope. I 395 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 3: appreciated his words this morning, and he used Bible scripture. 396 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 3: I did find when I was talking about Isaiah one fifteen. 397 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: Even though you make many prayers, I will not listen. 398 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: Your hands are full of blood. That is the quote 399 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 3: the Pope used today. Like, no, this God has already 400 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 3: spoken on this. Now, you got folks on the other side, 401 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: Hexeth and others pluck out Bible verses and they say. 402 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: Just old Testament versus very different. 403 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: And Hexaus said, the old and New are supporting what 404 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 3: we're doing. He's actually said that before but the Pope said, no, 405 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 3: what you're doing, this is no way that God is 406 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: no way that Jesus endorsed King of peace. 407 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: Right, God cannot be enlisted by darkness. How can war 408 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: be seen as anything other than that? 409 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: Truly? 410 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 3: So the Pope today, how much this will, Yes, this 411 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 3: will make a lot of headlines and get a lot 412 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 3: of attention and start a lot of conversations, is going 413 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: to change anything in the White House and the situation room. 414 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: I guess what we all can do right now on 415 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: this Palm Sunday, whoever you pray to, pray for peace 416 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: and that is you know. At this point, I know 417 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: that sounds empty, but if you believe and you have faith, 418 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: it's worth a shot because that is what I think, 419 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: that is what Jesus stood for. And on this Palm Sunday, 420 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate the Pope's words. 421 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: They matter to me. 422 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: Whether they are heard or followed by anyone else. We 423 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: can't be responsible for we don't have control over, but 424 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: we can control our own way of thinking and choosing peace. 425 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: And listening to the Pope today brought me a little 426 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: bit of that on this Palm Sunday. 427 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: We hope it did for you. 428 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: As well in all of this chaos, but we always 429 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: appreciate you listening to us. 430 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: I'm Aye Roeboch alongside t J. Holmes. We'll talk to 431 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 2: you soon.